1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways is not brought to you by that tiny 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: saw they used to cut toothpicks. Instead, it's supported by 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: the generous donations of our listeners on Patreon. Visit patreon 4 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: dot com slash Thinking Sideways to learn more and thanks 5 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. I don't understand it. You never know stories 6 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: of things we simply don't know the answer too. Hey, guys, 7 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:40,599 Speaker 1: welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways the podcast. I 8 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: Am Devin, joined per usu By and Steve. Yeah, before 9 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,279 Speaker 1: we get into this mystery, this is part of our 10 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: summer series. Basically, we're doing shorter kind of episodes to 11 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: allow us to enjoy our summer a little bit because 12 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: we've been doing this for a long time three years now, 13 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: three years now out um, and also give us some 14 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: Yeah really we thought we were dead after you know, 15 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: six months. You guys just keep listening to us. Yeah really, 16 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: just kidding, don't do that. But it's going to give 17 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: us also time to work on some of those bigger 18 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: cases that we've been hoping to work on, which is 19 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah, okay, so summer series. Yeah, tonight, we're 20 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: going to talk about a mystery which has a few 21 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: different names. We're going to call it Gloomy Sunday. This 22 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 1: was a listener suggestion from Mariana. I think it's how 23 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: you say it, So thank you, thanks Marianna. That was 24 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: in like fifteen, It wasn't that long ago. Yeah, Gloomy 25 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: Sunday has another name, doesn't it does. It's also known 26 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: as the Hungarian suicide song Do Do Do Do. Gloomy 27 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: Sunday is a rough translation of the original song, and 28 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: it's actually the second incarnation of the song. It's a 29 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: cover or a remix almost almost, it's just different lyrics. 30 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: What what happened was in nineteen thirty two or thirty three, 31 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: a Hungarian pianist by the name of Richau schirsch Is. 32 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: I think how you say it. I listened to a 33 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: lot of different pronunciations of it, and they all kind 34 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: of sounded like so I'm just gonna say it like that, 35 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: and this is the only time I'm going to say 36 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: his name. It was probably the best pronunciation yet. Yeah. Um, 37 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: And this is no offense to you know, the Hungarian 38 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: language or anything. That's just what it sounded like to 39 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: me on online, So sorry if I got that wrong anyway. 40 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: He he composed the music for the song, and then 41 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: he also wrote some original lyrics for the song Um, 42 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: and he titled this this particular song the World is Ending. 43 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: That's no. A few years after that, a poet decided 44 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: that he could probably do better at the lyrics, so 45 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: he rewrote them and retitled the song Gloomy Sunday. And 46 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: sounds like the composer was kind of in on the 47 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: whole thing. He was. He seemed to think, yeah, okay, 48 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: these these are fine. Okay, so he didn't have a 49 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: problem with somebody playing new lyrics to it. It didn't 50 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: sound like it. I think what happened is he wrote 51 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: the song and he really liked the composition, but he 52 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: wrote lyrics even though he wasn't a lyricist, and then 53 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: somebody heard it and said, hey, you know what, actually 54 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: let me try and compose some good lyrics for this, 55 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: and he was like, okay, fine. It was probably like, hey, 56 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: maybe this version will make some money. Yeah, I mean, well, 57 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: we'll talk about that in a little bit. Anyway. Gloomy Sunday, 58 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: the updated UM lyrics, was recorded and released in ninety five, 59 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: and as I said, it's kind of the more widely 60 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: accepted version of the song. The song isn't really a mystery, right, 61 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: very obvious. You can find on the net, you can 62 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: listen to it can be careful. We'll play a little 63 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: bit of it um in just a second. But the 64 00:03:55,760 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: real mystery here is that apparently the song is responsible 65 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: for at least nineteen suicides. So the mystery is does 66 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: this song actually drive people to commit suicide? This a 67 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: little depressing. It sounds like a dirge when you listen 68 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: to it. It's pretty sad. Well, and you know, furthermore 69 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: I want to know is that is it is it 70 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:21,239 Speaker 1: deadly and only the original language, or is it deadly 71 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: in all languages? Well, and we'll talk about all those 72 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: things in a minute. Sweet First, we'll talk a little 73 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: bit more history of the song itself, and also listen 74 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: to a little bit of the song and also do 75 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: dramatic reading of the lyrics. Joe has to do the dramatic, 76 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: so he's going to actually I've I've actually got William 77 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: Shat to show up and do that. Oh thank god. 78 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: I've been wanting the shot in studio for so long. 79 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: So I wait for that knock. We're going to play 80 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: a little bit of the song, probably about fifteen seconds. 81 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: I guess skip it. If you're scared, if you're a 82 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: little stitious, skip it. Yeah, you know, I'm not superstitious, 83 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: but I'm a little stitious. Okay, you kids in your 84 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: new fangled words. Anyway, here we go. Here's fifteen seconds 85 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 1: of the very beginning of this song. You're back, good, 86 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: you made it out the other side. He congratulations, out 87 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: of the oven. I don't know if you can say 88 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: that or not, but we'll just keep going. So the 89 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: song that we've been talking about is actually kind of 90 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: two different songs. And that's not just the little bit 91 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: that we talked about a second ago. This goes further 92 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: than that. So the original song, we're just gonna say 93 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: gloomy one day, the five version original song. Fine will 94 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: ignore the old lyrics that. We'll ignore that for just 95 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: a minute. Okay, people to suicide, right, Well, I don't know. 96 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: In ninety six, Hal Kemp, he's an American jazz musician. 97 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: If you don't know who he has, look I'm up. 98 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: Awesome awesome artist recorded a new kind of americanized version 99 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: of the song. Um and the lyrics were by Desmond Carter, 100 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: who was worked often with Gershwin and Um. It was 101 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: really just a staple of American music at the time. 102 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: A few years later, Billy Holliday recorded the same version, 103 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: the same americanized version, Yeah, exactly, and it became a 104 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: huge hit. A lot of people really covered this thing that. Yeah, 105 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: there have been a ton of versions. I would encourage you, 106 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: if you are curious, to go out to the Wikipedia page, 107 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: which I know is everybody's favorite thing that I say, 108 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: But go out to the Wikipedia page and just look. 109 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: I there were more than I bothered to count. I 110 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: actually have a feeling that this is the go to 111 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: we need a tenth track on the record, so hey, 112 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: just record this and sticking in there. Yeah, like it's 113 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: just it's a filler. I gotta tell you, though, I did. Really, 114 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: I'm not I have. I've never really appreciated Billy Holiday 115 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: that much, and I really liked her version of it. 116 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: I loved Billy Holiday what I expected of it from her. 117 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: Having listened to some of her stuff before, I was like, oh, gosh, 118 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: it's actually she actually did a good job. I should 119 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: listening to it. I haven't. I haven't heard it. So 120 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: of note, you know, Billy Holiday did a did a 121 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: version of it. Um Rach Charles did a version of it. 122 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: Eda Jones, Elvis Costello did a version of it, did 123 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: a version of it. Peter Wolfe did a cop a 124 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:57,239 Speaker 1: cover of it. I think Shad O'Connor did a version 125 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: of it. Sarah McLaughlin did a cover of it, of course, 126 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: Sarah mcla course she did. I think even Um York 127 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: might have even done. She did a version of that's 128 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: actually the only version that I'm I'm not a fan 129 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: of York. How do you say it? By the way, 130 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: I know I'm screwing it up every time I want 131 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: to say York, Is that correct? I just I think 132 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: that's wrong. Yeah. I actually really liked her version. It 133 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: was and I'm not a fan of her work either. 134 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: She actually she recorded it for do you guys know who? 135 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: Do you guys know who? Alexander McQueen is not Steve McQueen, No, No, 136 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: Alexander McQueen. He's like one of my favorite fashion designers 137 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 1: of all times ever died in a two thousand ten 138 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: and that's Byork performed it recorded that the gloomy Sunday 139 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: for his funeral or his commemoration. Got it? Uh, you 140 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: know it's funny, is I didn't know it was. It 141 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: was in the soundtrack of Wrist Cutters. Have you guys 142 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: seen that movie. It's just a I mean, it's a 143 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 1: pretty prolific song. Yeah, it's it's rist Cutters colon a 144 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: love Stories. It's a great movie. That's where I learned 145 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: the phrase the p i C the people in charge. Oh, 146 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: I like it every now and again. You'll hear me. 147 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: It's got to be the p i C. It's people 148 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: in charge. We've just always glossed over that. Well, yeah, 149 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: you two ignored because you didn't get my reference, got it? Well? Okay, 150 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: So the interesting thing about Billie Holliday's version of this 151 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: song is that reportedly the BBC actually banned it from 152 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: being played on any of their radio stations. They banned 153 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: music in general, didn't they know, I mean the love 154 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: band thing. Yeah, don't worry, I mean okay, so they 155 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: said that it was they cited detriment. It was detrim 156 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: detrimental to um morale. Yeah, morale like wartime morale. But 157 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 1: I'm don't worry. They have lifted the band. Um, they 158 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: lifted it in um. So you know, just just when 159 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: Gland was really recovering from the war, the wheels of 160 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: bureaucracy grind slowly. Well, apparently they didn't grind so slowly 161 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: when they were banning the thing, because they happen pretty Yeah, 162 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: let's go ahead and just take a moment to listen 163 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: to Joe dramatically read the lyrics. Okay, we gotta wait 164 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: for Shot to show up. Didn't show up. I'm going 165 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: to do it, but I'm going to use his voice, 166 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: his voice. Okay, this so for everyone. This is the original, original, original, 167 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: if the one that's actually called The World is ending? Yeah, okay, 168 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: autumn is slipping and the yellowing leaves. He died in 169 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: the land of human love. Who was in the autumn wind? 170 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: Crying tears? My eye has a new spring. Does not 171 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: expect our hope in vain. I cry and suffer in vain, heartless, 172 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: greedy and bad people. He died of love. End of 173 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 1: the world, the end of hope. Cities are destroyed, shrapnel 174 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,359 Speaker 1: is making music. People's blood and meadows are colored red. 175 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: They're people on the streets everywhere. Once again, I said 176 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: another quiet prayer, sir. People are fallible and make mistakes. 177 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: It's the end of the world. That wasn't too melodramatic there, Yeah, 178 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: you went from Shatner to a bit irish to then 179 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: just reading that was that was the complete and total, 180 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: full range of Joe. That's why I'm not an actor. 181 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,839 Speaker 1: That I mean, so the lyrics are for what was 182 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: going on in the time. It totally makes sense what 183 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: was going on in the world in general and thirty Yeah, 184 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: and as I understand it, actually the composer and his 185 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: girlfriend had just broken up and he was pretty cut 186 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: up about it. Was it the composer or the second 187 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: composer who had broken up with his girlfriend? I think 188 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: it was the composer. I thought it was the second 189 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: one who had just gone through a breakup, you know. Frankly, 190 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. They may have both happened. Stranger things 191 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: have happened. I mean, this composer did seem to be 192 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: a pretty unhappy guy in general. He was They called 193 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: him just like a staunch nationalist. He you know. So 194 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: this song made it big in America, so he had 195 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: the rights to a lot of royalties in America, but 196 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 1: he had to go claim them and he just refused. 197 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: He said, no, um, I'm only going to make money 198 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: of this in Hungary. It's he only play. I'm going 199 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: to make money off this, and the royalties there were 200 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: like pretty beautiful. He actually he was kind of you know, 201 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: Van go Esque in his in his time because people 202 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: kind of liked what he was doing. But he wasn't 203 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: really collecting royalties, and he basically died in poverty, so 204 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: too bad. He seemed like he was not the happiest 205 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: of guys anyway. The lyrics that were rewritten so that 206 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: it became the official gloomy Sunday version of the song, Um, 207 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: we should probably listen to those two because that's the 208 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: one that was getting played every Yeah, so Joe, do 209 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: you want to do the owners again? Still was in here, 210 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: damn on a sad Sunday with a hundred white flowers. 211 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: I was waiting for you, not just kidding. He's doing 212 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: it in reverse this time he's eating a monotone, then irish. 213 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: Then yeah, on a sad Sunday with a hundred white flowers. 214 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: I was waiting for you, my dear, with the church 215 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: prayer that dream chasing Sunday morning, the charity of my 216 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: sadness returned without you. Ever since then, Sundays are always sad. 217 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: Tears in my drink, and sorrow was my bread. Sad Sunday, 218 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: Last Sunday, My dear, please come along. They were leaving 219 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: me priest coffin catalfac herst cloth. Even then, flowers will 220 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: be awaiting you, flowers and coffin under blossoming trees. My 221 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: journey be the last. My eyes will be open so 222 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: that I can see you one more time. Do not 223 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: be afraid of my eyes, as I'm blessing you, even 224 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: in my death. Last Sunday. Also super happy. This is 225 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 1: such a cheery song. What I love is in the 226 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: in the in the song is that not just the 227 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: whole moping, that's the whole thing. But they have to 228 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 1: have the church bell in there, which is super creepy 229 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: and again very few real Yeah, yeah, yeah I can. 230 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: Did you guys ever watch that that internet cartoon Happy 231 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: Tree Friends? Remember that? Yeah? We started watching that reason this. 232 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: This is the kind of thing that I could see them. Actually, 233 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: the guys who make that are the folks that make 234 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: that making this into an episode which would just be 235 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: another gore fest as all of their things. Absolutely, Okay, 236 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: you've seen it before, you just don't remember it. I've 237 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: showed them to you. I watched all of Oh no, 238 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: I do remember that that was that was like three 239 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: or four or five years. All bunnies and squirrels get 240 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: cut in half, remember that. Yeah, this is that sort 241 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: of thing. Yeah, and it's probably worth just briefly reading 242 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: the Billy Holiday lyrics as well, because apparently we're padding 243 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: episodes these days. Well they added, they added, it's different. 244 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: It's not any fourth um they well, no, the I 245 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: thought it was that the second version was added to. 246 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: In other words, they took at the end, they added 247 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: another is it a stanza? Is that correct? They added 248 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: a fourth stanza, which essentially made the whole thing sound 249 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: as if it was a dream the singer was having 250 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: instead of actually committing suicide or killing themselves. Well, this 251 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: is all alluding to, well, why don't I read the 252 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: Billy Holiday version because you know, these back past two 253 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: lyrics that we've read are obviously just translated from Hungarian, 254 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: so they're not written to be a song in English necessarily, 255 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: which is why we have this americanized version which was 256 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: meant to be sung in English, so it has a 257 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: different tone to it a little bit. So why don't 258 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: we just read this real quick and I'll read it, 259 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: because you know it's Billy Holliday so check me. I'm 260 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: not gonna change my voice at all. Please do your 261 00:15:55,240 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: best chat. No, Sunday is gloomy. My hours, uh sorry, 262 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: Sunday is gloomy. My hours are slumberless. Dearest, the shadows 263 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: I live with, our numberless little white flowers will never 264 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: waken you, not where the black coach of sorrow has 265 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: taken you. Angels have no thought of ever returning you. 266 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: Why would they be angry if I thought of joining you? 267 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: Gloomy Sunday. Gloomy is Sunday with shadows. I spend it 268 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: all my heart, and I have decided to end it all. Soon. 269 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: There will be candles and prayers that are said I know. 270 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: Let them not weep, let them know that I'm glad 271 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: to go. Death is no dream, for in death, I'm 272 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: caressing you with the last breath of my soul. I'll 273 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: be blessing you, Gloomy Sunday dreaming I was only dreaming. 274 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: I wake up to find you asleep in the deep 275 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: of my heart. Dear darling, I hope that my dream 276 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: has never haunted you. My heart is telling you how 277 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: much I wanted you. Gloomy Sunday. So yeah, they added 278 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: the stands of like it was just a dream. But 279 00:16:55,920 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: that's for takeing real dark. Oh yeah, it's definitely about suicide, 280 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: as are these other two versions of the song. And 281 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: I think in every language the song is about killing yourself. Well, 282 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: and I think I personally this is my personal opinion, 283 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: and I am pretty sure that that that last stands 284 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: about making it into a dream is added because if 285 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: you remember the way censorship was when like the when 286 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: Billy Holliday did her version, is that they couldn't just 287 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: push that through the sensors. I mean it's like, um, 288 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: there is This was ten or fifteen years later. There's 289 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: the Roy Orbison song. I want to say it's it's 290 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: not Layla, but the one where he's he's getting oysters 291 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 1: and he's swimming down with you know, it's it's the 292 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: free dive and he gets his hands stuck in a 293 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 1: clam and it bites down on him, and the whole 294 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: song at the end is that it's him. It's everything's 295 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: getting dark, it's getting cold, Like I'm amazed that got 296 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: through the sensors because they were so they were so 297 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: stern at the time. Yeah, exactly, remember that actually so 298 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 1: not happy in any any version of it. Definitely referencing 299 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: suicide versions of it. So let's talk about the deaths 300 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: that this song is supposedly responsible for. Thank you for 301 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: getting supposedly, Yeah, no problem, What do you mean supposedly? Well, 302 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: apparently eighteen suicides in Hungary had quote unquote close links 303 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: with Gloomy Sunday. Uh. There was a Time magazine article 304 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: called music calling the Suicide Song that was published in 305 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: UM March of nineteen thirty six. I read part of 306 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 1: this article, but you can't get past two paragraphs without 307 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: having subscription at Time, and I don't have a subscription 308 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 1: at time broke, so um I did not purchase said subscription. 309 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: But luckily there are enough articles around the internet that 310 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: have just totally you know, copy pasted from that article 311 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: that I have the information In this article in from 312 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:10,719 Speaker 1: you know nineteen thirty six, they talk about Hungarian shoemaker 313 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 1: by the name of Joseph Keller, and police were reportedly 314 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: investigating his death and thinking that Gloomy Sunday was responsible 315 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: for it because he left a note in which he 316 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: quoted some of the lyrics from Gloomy Sunday. Okay, quote unquote. 317 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 1: Several bodies were found clutching the songs sheet music upon 318 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: their suicides or upon their discovery they were floating in 319 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: the river right in the Danube. Yeah that yeah, this 320 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: this makes me wonder if maybe somebody was trying to 321 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: it was actually murdering people, trying to frame the composer, 322 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: and and it's like, imagine this frustration. He keeps killing 323 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: people and planning this on them, and they keep saying, 324 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: oh my god, another suicide. Yeah, this is insane, it's crazy. Um. 325 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 1: Two people reportedly shot themselves while listening to different bands 326 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: play the song. There's some songs that that really do 327 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: make you one. I know of plenty these that makes 328 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: me want to stick my head in the oven. Is 329 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:14,360 Speaker 1: apparently at least one other person, but maybe more, had 330 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: been found to have taken their own life while listening 331 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 1: to Gloomy Sunday So Hungry band the song right rational Yeah. 332 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: And then you know, in the n eighteen thirties there 333 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 1: were apparently attempted suicides and actual suicides that we were 334 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: being reported in conjunction with Gloomy Sunday. As we said, 335 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: the BBC did bann the song entirely and reportedly although 336 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 1: I've never seen anything to corroborate this Reportedly, certain outlets 337 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: in the US refused to play the song. That seems 338 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: silly to me. Also, it was such a big hit, 339 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: like Billy It's It's on one of Bill Holidays, like 340 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: Greatest Hits things. It was a huge song for her, 341 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: and it's silly to assume that outlets were not playing 342 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: the song. It not as though it's you know, two 343 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen. People are downloading and like getting it anyway, 344 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: even if the radio is not playing, that's not happening. 345 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: Then the radio is playing it or people are pretty 346 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: much not hearing it. Yeah, because records and a gramophone, 347 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: we're not a cheap purchase. So it's not as if 348 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: music was easy to get, not as easy as not 349 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: at all. Apparently, reportedly, there are more than a hundred 350 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: deaths connected to Gloomy Sunday. This is a air quotes, 351 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: yes death according to the Internet at this point. Yeah, 352 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: it's all according to the Internet. Okay. So I was 353 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: gonna ask because I couldn't find any of the easily, 354 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: and I admittedly just kind of thought about it earlier 355 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: today and started trying to find uh, you know, you 356 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: can find in Google sometimes copies and newspapers, but The 357 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: problem is is that I don't know how to read Hungarian, 358 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: so I was trying to find something that translated that. 359 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: So it was it was just it was utter a 360 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 1: crap show of my research process here. But it does 361 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 1: have either of you seen anything that actually points to 362 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: actual reports or newspaper accounts. Now? Is it all just 363 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: summations on the internet. Um, for the most part. I 364 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: mean they reference, you know, in a blah blah blah 365 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 1: article in you know, this year a woman named Lauren 366 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: drowned herself in the river clutching you know, I'm I'm 367 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 1: making that one up. I'm just pulling that from pieces. 368 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: But they'll say they'll cite their sources, but you know, 369 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: you always fall the link in there. It's like link 370 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: not found and it's you know, to a PDF that 371 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: was scanned at one point of an article in Hungarian 372 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: and you just have to take people's word for it. Um, 373 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: I'm disinclined to believe most of the stories. Well. Yeah. 374 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: The thing about it is too is this if there's 375 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: a connection, and there might be in a sense, but 376 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: it's a reverse connection. Because people who are depressed tanty 377 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: like they like to pressing music, you know, they will 378 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: seek that stuff out. Yeah, totally, So not it necessarily 379 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: cause of it. No, there's definitely there's definitely bands that 380 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: you know, there's rough times in all of our lives 381 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: where you've you look back through your your music collection. 382 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: I was about to say CD collection. You look back 383 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 1: through your music collection and you're like, wow, I have 384 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: like five albums from this one bad and that is 385 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: such a melancholy batch. Well, I even have it from 386 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 1: I've had the what is it it's Deathcat for Cutie. 387 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: Remember all of their stuff was That's all A lot 388 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: of that is the same vein. I was a teenage 389 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: girl in the early two thousands, so yes, I remember that. 390 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: I listened to it all the time, and you know, 391 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 1: I thought it was great, and then they did other stuff. 392 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 1: But after now I look back and like, oh, it 393 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: comes up on what I'll listen to my stuff on randomly, 394 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: like that that one about We'll go together in the dark. Yeah, 395 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: that I'll follow you into the dark. I've that's real 396 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: and h it's uh. There's another one that they cover 397 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: that's by um Iron and Wine, who is also it's 398 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 1: not Iron and Wine, that's the album name. Who is 399 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: it that has the album is called Iron and Wine. 400 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: No it is. It is Iron and Wine. I'm I'm 401 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: getting it all mixed up with the actual artist's name. 402 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: But anyway, you know they he's saying something which I 403 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 1: know was then to cover. So it's the same thing. 404 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: It's like one of those things that just hopscotches backthrough time. 405 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: So why don't we talk about theories we are? It's 406 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 1: pretty easy, Jay, I don't know where they already. There's 407 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: kind of like two, three, maybe four. I think there's two. Okay, 408 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: I don't see your Little Black Book anywhere, so I'm 409 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and solidly say there's two. Well, no, 410 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: I all I remembered about the stories was York and 411 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: then I was done. Yeah, I'll in a third. Okay. 412 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 1: So the first theory is that, yeah, this song has 413 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: some kind of supernatural ability to drive people to kill themselves. 414 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: I don't have any evidence to backing up putting it 415 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 1: out there. Yea there. I listened to it and I 416 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 1: didn't see I didn't feel my suicide quotient rising personally. Yeah, 417 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 1: I would think that if this was true in ninety 418 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: five and thirty six, when it was on when the 419 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: Billie Holiday version was playing, there would be droves of 420 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: people falling out of buildings as they were compelled to 421 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: end their lives. I mean that there's not a whole 422 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: lot of support. This is um This is one of 423 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: those anecdotal stories to me, well full of I knew 424 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: this person and they were listening to this gloomy music 425 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: all the time, and I saw this record in their 426 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: house after they had taken their own life. I mean 427 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 1: to add to that, if we're just gonna sit and 428 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 1: debunk the latest recording of this song is like two 429 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 1: thousand fifteen. It's been popularized in the modern era in 430 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 1: the two thousand's, in the nineties, there have been recordings 431 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 1: that have been popular and it's not as though we're 432 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 1: seeing a huge uptick in suicides in the demographic that's 433 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: listening to those songs. Well yeah, but they're saying, I 434 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: think the theory was that the original nineteen thirty five 435 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: version the originals. I mean, it's is the one that's 436 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: got the special you know note Senate that make But 437 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of people who listen 438 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 1: to this song because of this mystery. And uh wait, 439 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: I figured out how we can we can verify this. 440 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 1: All we have to do is get Usher to to 441 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: re sample the original version and do his own track 442 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: over the top and see if if it has any power. 443 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: I feel like we need to have a conversation about 444 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 1: the last time that Usher had a song that was 445 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 1: even played on the radio. That's to have a lot 446 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,719 Speaker 1: of conversation about that, because his music is so good, 447 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: so he will be the nail in the coffin no 448 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: pun intended. I think that probably we need to get 449 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: a government grant. We need to like put together studies, 450 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: sample size about a hundred thousand people who will force 451 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: to listen to the song over and over again. We'll 452 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: see how many kill themselves. Yeah, this is not what 453 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: we're doing. And by the way, if anybody has taken 454 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: it that way, we are not making light of suicide now. 455 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: We are making light of the story itself. If anything, 456 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: we are making heavy of the fact that there's a 457 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: lot that goes into one's decision to kill themselves and 458 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: the fact that listening to a song once or twice 459 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: could drive someone to suicide is absurd. Well it is. 460 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: And like and like I said earlier, I think that 461 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: when you're depressed, do you want to listen to depressing music. 462 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: I agree, yeah, and that is usually the depression itself 463 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 1: is one of the key factors, not the music that 464 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: you listen to. So hey, actually, while we're talking about 465 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 1: the depression, let's talk about the second where you are 466 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 1: what else is happening. Let's think about what else is 467 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: happening societally around the world. In the thirties, it's the 468 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: Great Depression. People were killing themselves at a higher rate 469 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: and reporting being you know, sad and having nothing to 470 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: live for, and also starving and being really depressed about 471 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: the state of the world. And I just I think 472 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 1: it's silly to think that because somebody had the lyrics 473 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: to a song in their note, that that song should 474 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: be responsible for their suicide. Yeah, I think so. I 475 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 1: think those are good lyrics, man, Like they express a 476 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: really horrible, painful sentiment in a beautifully eloquent way. I 477 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: say that about the first version in terms of what 478 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: was going on globally time for the second version, Like 479 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: the second version, I feel is it's almost a selfish 480 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: set of lyrics. I have this pain, so I'm going 481 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: to write not that having pain is selfish, but like 482 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: taking and rewriting something just so you can have your 483 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: own bit go over something that is obviously aimed at 484 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: a much larger problem. So that's why I feel the 485 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: first one is actually very applicable for the timely Yeah, yeah, 486 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: well no, there's not the third theory yet because there's 487 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: something else about the time that we need to talk about, 488 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: which is initially a lot of the suicides were happening 489 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: in Hungary, uh and in in a general sense, in 490 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: the Germanic States and where the suicide rates are higher, 491 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: where the suicide rates are naturally higher, and the act 492 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: of suicide at the at that time and at that time, 493 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: and also within the culture, the act, you know, taking 494 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: your own life is not frowned upon. It's not looked 495 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: down upon as why did you do this? This is 496 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: such a you know, in in Western culture there is 497 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: kind of that you're doing something to yourself and everybody 498 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 1: else is paying the price, whereas in that culture it 499 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: was more of a noble act. It's almost like seppuku. 500 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: In Japanese culture, it was it was very it was 501 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: very honorable to into a degree, so that that plays 502 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: a huge role in well, there's a huge suicide rate 503 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: and by the way or not, but there's a larger 504 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,959 Speaker 1: suicide rate in the culture in general. So oh, by 505 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: the way, then the song comes out, let's just put 506 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: A and D together and call it a pair. Yeah. So, 507 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the theories. A third one that 508 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,479 Speaker 1: was not theory, and that is it was a serial 509 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: killer who was planting copies of the lyrics on his body, 510 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: on the bodies, and and because maybe they've been maybe 511 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: there actually had been a few stories. Maybe there were 512 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: stories out about how this song came out and this 513 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: by my friend bought this record and listened to it 514 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: a lot, that it killed himself and if you have 515 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: to tell the stories like that, making another Hungarian press. 516 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: And then a serial coler decides, well, what the hell 517 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: you know, I'll just plant records and copies of lyrics 518 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: on people and after I had murdered them drowning in 519 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: the Danube. Yeah, so okay, that's the third one, absolutely 520 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: unsupported by facts. So wait, by the way, but where 521 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: the bodies were expected to have gone into the Danube? 522 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: Was there a smiley face painted anywhere in the area? No, stop, no, 523 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: we're not going to go there. Um, just as a 524 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: final fun factum, is this really a fun fact It's 525 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: not a fun fact, okay, Roschos our composer. I'm sorry, 526 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: I'm really sorry, you guys. He actually killed himself. Um, 527 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: he tried to do so by jumping out a window, 528 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: but he survived. So he strangled himself with a wire 529 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: in the hospital a few days later. And he I 530 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: mean it was he was pretty young. It was I 531 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: think in thirty six or thirty seven, maybe definitely before forty. 532 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: Well the person who I thought, the guy who rewrote 533 00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: the lyrics, also committed suicide by throwing himself out of window. 534 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: But he was at age sixty three year sixty eight 535 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: something like. He was a very old man, remember, ye, 536 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: very old. I guess maybe for that maybe for that 537 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: at maybe that's very old, you know, sixties seven sixty eight. 538 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: Joe says, wait, that's not that's not that's not old. Um. Yeah, 539 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: so that's the whole story. I think. I think it's 540 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: just situational and it's stilly to blame us song anecdotal 541 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, but yeah, don't listen to the song 542 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 1: whatever you do, or the other one that Joe didn't 543 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,479 Speaker 1: want you to listen to, yeah, whichever with that one 544 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: by Royal Orbison. Yeah, Okay, so if you want to 545 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: see some of the research that we've done. Um, or 546 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,719 Speaker 1: if you, I guess need a way to listen to episodes, 547 00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: you're listening to it, so I figured you know how 548 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: to listen to it. 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