1 00:00:15,476 --> 00:00:22,196 Speaker 1: Pushkin. It's my firm belief that our culture doesn't put 2 00:00:22,276 --> 00:00:25,076 Speaker 1: enough stock in family bands. I mean, just think about 3 00:00:25,076 --> 00:00:28,516 Speaker 1: the groups that include siblings, Sliing the Family Stone, the 4 00:00:28,556 --> 00:00:33,356 Speaker 1: Beach Boys, the Beeg's, hiam Oasis, ac DC, the Jacksons. 5 00:00:34,516 --> 00:00:37,876 Speaker 1: It makes sense that Ken would develop uniquely powerful musical chemistry. 6 00:00:38,156 --> 00:00:40,596 Speaker 1: After all, a love of music usually does start in 7 00:00:40,636 --> 00:00:43,956 Speaker 1: the home, and the same is true of our guests today, Momo, 8 00:00:44,196 --> 00:00:47,356 Speaker 1: Abraham Angel and Israel Boyd of the group Infinity Saw. 9 00:00:48,196 --> 00:00:51,036 Speaker 1: The four siblings were raised in musical households between Detroit 10 00:00:51,116 --> 00:00:54,436 Speaker 1: and New York, honing their sound wherever they could, in 11 00:00:54,556 --> 00:00:58,716 Speaker 1: churches and parks, subway stations, even around the kitchen table. 12 00:00:59,716 --> 00:01:03,196 Speaker 1: That devotion to performing carried them to bigger stages, guided 13 00:01:03,236 --> 00:01:05,916 Speaker 1: by their father and manager, John Boyd, and eventually jay 14 00:01:05,996 --> 00:01:09,516 Speaker 1: Z's rock Nation and their fervent love of me music 15 00:01:09,636 --> 00:01:12,116 Speaker 1: fuels their unmistakable blend of R and B and folk, 16 00:01:12,436 --> 00:01:15,356 Speaker 1: a mix they proudly described as modern day soft rock. 17 00:01:16,476 --> 00:01:18,956 Speaker 1: I spoke to the Boyd's siblings at the Tribeca Festival 18 00:01:18,956 --> 00:01:21,636 Speaker 1: in New York for a live Broken Record event. We 19 00:01:21,756 --> 00:01:24,196 Speaker 1: discussed the role of music and their family, how their 20 00:01:24,236 --> 00:01:25,996 Speaker 1: Dad came through in the clutch during a make or 21 00:01:25,996 --> 00:01:28,796 Speaker 1: Break meeting with jay Z and graciously they performed a 22 00:01:28,796 --> 00:01:34,836 Speaker 1: couple of songs from their album Metamorphosis Complete. This is 23 00:01:34,916 --> 00:01:44,556 Speaker 1: broken record, real musicians, real conversations. Infinity Song opened our 24 00:01:44,596 --> 00:01:48,716 Speaker 1: conversation with the performance of their song Lotus. It's so 25 00:01:48,836 --> 00:01:50,996 Speaker 1: great to be here with you guys, and to be 26 00:01:51,076 --> 00:01:55,076 Speaker 1: here with Infinity Song at Tribeca Festival of all places. 27 00:01:56,276 --> 00:02:01,156 Speaker 1: It's a storied festival, and I think we're here tonight 28 00:02:01,196 --> 00:02:04,476 Speaker 1: with talent that will be held in that regard. This 29 00:02:04,556 --> 00:02:08,076 Speaker 1: is a new group and they are already have such 30 00:02:08,156 --> 00:02:12,716 Speaker 1: incredible music as you'll see tonight their live show and 31 00:02:12,756 --> 00:02:18,676 Speaker 1: this is stripped down is phenomenal. So without further Ado Israel, 32 00:02:18,916 --> 00:02:22,356 Speaker 1: Angel Abraham and Momo Infinity Song. 33 00:03:51,996 --> 00:04:07,116 Speaker 2: Everything short off th yards say the world. 34 00:04:11,436 --> 00:04:18,836 Speaker 3: Listen to you, cans me. You're a love honest flower. 35 00:04:19,036 --> 00:04:19,996 Speaker 3: You may be. 36 00:04:23,236 --> 00:04:26,756 Speaker 4: Everything nassy and last long. 37 00:04:26,916 --> 00:04:34,036 Speaker 5: Again and ye now I know the wonderful love. 38 00:04:36,636 --> 00:04:41,836 Speaker 3: And please don't make me want to again. 39 00:04:43,116 --> 00:04:50,196 Speaker 5: The appliance is less. Just send me for for because 40 00:04:50,276 --> 00:04:54,276 Speaker 5: now it's take the love to say. 41 00:04:55,476 --> 00:05:07,716 Speaker 6: Since you don't get for love, settle for. 42 00:05:13,596 --> 00:05:21,556 Speaker 5: We could let you because I still go. 43 00:05:25,356 --> 00:05:28,796 Speaker 3: Your alone, Flory. 44 00:05:28,436 --> 00:05:30,036 Speaker 5: May weed. 45 00:05:32,396 --> 00:05:35,956 Speaker 6: Everything last see and last still long. 46 00:05:37,756 --> 00:05:42,996 Speaker 5: And now how know ware the food. 47 00:05:45,916 --> 00:05:54,916 Speaker 3: Maybe please don't make me laugh again, MANSI. 48 00:05:54,396 --> 00:06:00,436 Speaker 5: Place, just let me fall for because I would take 49 00:06:00,596 --> 00:06:07,596 Speaker 5: a lot to sais. 50 00:06:07,356 --> 00:06:12,556 Speaker 4: Toever I lose myself to love. Then last year, I's fine. 51 00:06:14,396 --> 00:06:16,956 Speaker 4: And if you're love, it's just a lie. 52 00:06:17,236 --> 00:06:19,676 Speaker 7: If it's telling me lies. 53 00:06:21,436 --> 00:06:26,236 Speaker 3: But not let live to me just a crag me 54 00:06:26,476 --> 00:06:44,996 Speaker 3: dona not tell him as now I know, beautiful baby, Please. 55 00:06:45,716 --> 00:06:46,996 Speaker 1: Don't make me wise. 56 00:06:49,276 --> 00:06:57,956 Speaker 3: Man spends some awful because you would say the love 57 00:07:00,036 --> 00:07:20,036 Speaker 3: seems since my aness, I would say the scious less. 58 00:07:21,316 --> 00:07:25,956 Speaker 3: Just let me all, because I would say. 59 00:07:44,996 --> 00:07:48,316 Speaker 8: Thank you so much, thank you, thank youes and gentlemen. 60 00:07:48,396 --> 00:07:55,636 Speaker 8: Once again we are infinity song. My name is Abraham, 61 00:07:57,356 --> 00:07:58,236 Speaker 8: my name is Momo. 62 00:07:59,476 --> 00:08:04,236 Speaker 9: Hey, I'm angel and I'm in Drew and we've got 63 00:08:04,316 --> 00:08:07,716 Speaker 9: one more song for you before we get into the evening. 64 00:08:08,076 --> 00:08:08,756 Speaker 10: Yeah, let's go. 65 00:08:27,196 --> 00:08:29,356 Speaker 5: Now here you go again. 66 00:08:29,716 --> 00:08:36,916 Speaker 11: You say you want your freeedom, Well, well, my gi me, 67 00:08:41,516 --> 00:08:42,796 Speaker 11: it's trying to ride. 68 00:08:43,516 --> 00:08:46,676 Speaker 5: You should play away your feeling. 69 00:08:47,996 --> 00:08:55,156 Speaker 12: But listen carefully to that sounds a long meess, like. 70 00:08:55,316 --> 00:08:57,516 Speaker 7: A harpy jassy man. 71 00:08:58,916 --> 00:09:12,716 Speaker 5: Still song never not all want to tell you now 72 00:09:12,796 --> 00:09:32,116 Speaker 5: as you all know, pray enough place they say A 73 00:09:32,196 --> 00:09:51,276 Speaker 5: little man, welcome man when watches you thing you know? No, 74 00:09:52,036 --> 00:09:56,116 Speaker 5: I'll go again see the crystal leave. 75 00:09:58,636 --> 00:10:01,836 Speaker 6: I came up vi first want. 76 00:10:05,756 --> 00:10:11,196 Speaker 13: It's only me who wants you Apparon your dream. 77 00:10:12,756 --> 00:10:14,596 Speaker 5: Have you an your dreams? 78 00:10:14,676 --> 00:10:19,596 Speaker 6: You like to sell loneliness like. 79 00:10:19,756 --> 00:10:26,676 Speaker 14: The Holy Giving in the stool and star remembering, watch 80 00:10:29,836 --> 00:10:45,116 Speaker 14: and watch Lounlogynagy. 81 00:10:40,956 --> 00:10:53,356 Speaker 5: Wonders mistress when last. 82 00:10:56,436 --> 00:10:59,996 Speaker 7: And say, well, man go mad in. 83 00:11:07,316 --> 00:11:14,956 Speaker 4: Clean you. 84 00:11:18,596 --> 00:11:30,316 Speaker 5: Watch, Let you know, let you know. 85 00:11:39,516 --> 00:11:41,276 Speaker 15: Lest too much. 86 00:11:44,116 --> 00:11:48,676 Speaker 5: Names mus be racy, let's to much you. 87 00:11:52,076 --> 00:11:52,276 Speaker 15: Want? 88 00:11:52,356 --> 00:12:10,916 Speaker 5: You don't want? You listen at mess too. 89 00:12:15,236 --> 00:13:06,836 Speaker 3: Small Spot sweet team to Scott Spot. 90 00:13:30,236 --> 00:13:34,476 Speaker 1: I gotta say, through this job, I've been privileged to 91 00:13:34,556 --> 00:13:38,836 Speaker 1: be around a lot of performers. Baby Face comes to 92 00:13:38,876 --> 00:13:43,396 Speaker 1: mind seeing him perform up close and personal. Neil Young, Right, 93 00:13:44,516 --> 00:13:47,116 Speaker 1: but this is my first time getting a chance to 94 00:13:47,116 --> 00:13:50,916 Speaker 1: see you guys, and just getting to see the love 95 00:13:51,076 --> 00:13:53,556 Speaker 1: of music that you guys have and the passion you 96 00:13:53,636 --> 00:13:58,156 Speaker 1: guys have for performing. It warms my heart because it's 97 00:13:58,196 --> 00:14:00,036 Speaker 1: something that I see a lot in an older generation. 98 00:14:00,676 --> 00:14:03,196 Speaker 1: But I don't always see the love of performance, and 99 00:14:03,676 --> 00:14:06,636 Speaker 1: I don't see I don't always see that passion flowing 100 00:14:06,676 --> 00:14:09,516 Speaker 1: through people. When you guys perform, it's evident that there 101 00:14:09,596 --> 00:14:11,836 Speaker 1: was probably nothing else you guys could have done, but 102 00:14:12,116 --> 00:14:15,996 Speaker 1: be musicians. Do you feel like there's anything else you 103 00:14:16,036 --> 00:14:17,476 Speaker 1: guys can I mean, this seems like what you were 104 00:14:17,516 --> 00:14:17,956 Speaker 1: born to do. 105 00:14:19,636 --> 00:14:24,596 Speaker 9: Well, I guess that's a loaded question in the sense. Well, 106 00:14:24,676 --> 00:14:27,956 Speaker 9: first of all, thank you for having us. We've had 107 00:14:28,076 --> 00:14:32,956 Speaker 9: many conversations since being here, but this is for you guys, 108 00:14:33,196 --> 00:14:35,356 Speaker 9: So thank you justin for having us. We are so 109 00:14:35,596 --> 00:14:41,036 Speaker 9: appreciative have the privilege of this conversation. So our parents 110 00:14:41,196 --> 00:14:46,556 Speaker 9: raised us, I think, to be able to do anything. 111 00:14:47,876 --> 00:14:50,916 Speaker 9: That was a mindset in our family. But so they 112 00:14:51,076 --> 00:14:54,956 Speaker 9: raised us to pursue excellence and to pursue being well 113 00:14:55,076 --> 00:14:58,636 Speaker 9: rounded people with integrity and character. 114 00:14:59,316 --> 00:15:01,796 Speaker 10: But music was the. 115 00:15:03,276 --> 00:15:06,636 Speaker 9: Tool that was used to develop that in us. So 116 00:15:08,116 --> 00:15:12,876 Speaker 9: I probably couldn't be anything but a singer only by choice. 117 00:15:13,796 --> 00:15:17,556 Speaker 9: I could be more, but it's it just wouldn't work 118 00:15:17,636 --> 00:15:20,556 Speaker 9: for me. But that everybody has their own answer. 119 00:15:21,996 --> 00:15:25,236 Speaker 16: Yeah, I would say performance is definitely like one of 120 00:15:25,316 --> 00:15:26,516 Speaker 16: the loves of our lives. 121 00:15:26,676 --> 00:15:31,036 Speaker 17: We've been performing for so long. It's really funny. 122 00:15:31,276 --> 00:15:34,956 Speaker 16: Some people who have seen us perform more than once 123 00:15:35,276 --> 00:15:39,236 Speaker 16: know that usually on dreams we actually come back in. 124 00:15:41,876 --> 00:15:43,476 Speaker 1: Did I ruin it? Did I come up too soon? 125 00:15:44,676 --> 00:15:45,596 Speaker 17: We should have warned you. 126 00:15:45,836 --> 00:15:46,836 Speaker 5: I should have come earlier in. 127 00:15:46,836 --> 00:15:47,996 Speaker 1: The week and got to the blue note. 128 00:15:48,036 --> 00:15:48,636 Speaker 5: I messed up. 129 00:15:49,996 --> 00:15:54,076 Speaker 17: So we do like we fake end it, you know, 130 00:15:54,596 --> 00:15:56,156 Speaker 17: built the tension, and then we come back. 131 00:15:57,236 --> 00:15:59,596 Speaker 1: Guys, let me go walk off this day. I failed already. 132 00:15:59,756 --> 00:16:02,876 Speaker 1: I have failed everyone here. I have failed you, guys, myself. 133 00:16:04,796 --> 00:16:08,996 Speaker 1: I mean, she just wanted to say that, Yeah, that's what. 134 00:16:09,156 --> 00:16:11,876 Speaker 16: Okay, you know, if you still want us to come 135 00:16:11,916 --> 00:16:12,996 Speaker 16: back and we can. 136 00:16:14,556 --> 00:16:16,716 Speaker 1: Bring it back, bring it back, bring it back. 137 00:16:19,876 --> 00:16:24,516 Speaker 17: So serious, I want it to come back in. 138 00:16:25,476 --> 00:16:31,076 Speaker 10: Don't go no, no, no, you gotta no. This is 139 00:16:31,116 --> 00:16:32,796 Speaker 10: a part of the conversation. 140 00:16:58,676 --> 00:17:18,236 Speaker 5: Let's you know, you know, cities, the. 141 00:17:22,436 --> 00:17:38,076 Speaker 7: Watching, the watch, the watching, the. 142 00:17:41,316 --> 00:17:52,996 Speaker 3: Us cher, the house, the lot, hot y log house, 143 00:17:53,516 --> 00:18:14,316 Speaker 3: the fine fine. 144 00:18:16,676 --> 00:18:24,476 Speaker 5: Fine, spe. 145 00:18:45,156 --> 00:19:02,276 Speaker 4: Berg, spurge, urgie, scrge. 146 00:19:11,276 --> 00:19:22,516 Speaker 13: Thunder bad, when it's raining, play. 147 00:19:29,796 --> 00:19:44,436 Speaker 12: Well, let's say weapon they will come and then well go. 148 00:19:56,996 --> 00:20:00,516 Speaker 5: Sh shoes clean. 149 00:20:24,196 --> 00:20:33,196 Speaker 10: Okay, okay, so now we have been anything else. 150 00:20:33,276 --> 00:20:35,716 Speaker 1: Let's back to the qu not all the hold though 151 00:20:35,756 --> 00:20:37,076 Speaker 1: that was worth the public shaming. 152 00:20:37,116 --> 00:20:42,876 Speaker 17: All right, that was wonderful, just public informant. 153 00:20:43,796 --> 00:20:46,476 Speaker 1: It was a wonderful PSA. I am so glad you 154 00:20:46,556 --> 00:20:49,516 Speaker 1: brought that to my attention. Yes, but back to the court. 155 00:20:49,516 --> 00:20:51,436 Speaker 1: I mean, come on, there's no way you guys were 156 00:20:51,476 --> 00:20:57,756 Speaker 1: born to do this. Did you hear that? Unbelievable but 157 00:20:57,876 --> 00:21:00,716 Speaker 1: loaded question, leading question? You guys probably have your own thoughts, 158 00:21:00,796 --> 00:21:00,956 Speaker 1: you know. 159 00:21:02,396 --> 00:21:05,436 Speaker 18: I mean obviously there's like you can get into a 160 00:21:05,476 --> 00:21:08,036 Speaker 18: lot of philosophy and all that, but I would say, yeah, 161 00:21:08,076 --> 00:21:09,876 Speaker 18: we were you know, we were born to do this. 162 00:21:11,476 --> 00:21:14,836 Speaker 1: This cover of Dreams is beautiful, you know, and it's 163 00:21:14,996 --> 00:21:18,956 Speaker 1: not something that would have been not even that long ago. 164 00:21:19,116 --> 00:21:23,436 Speaker 1: It would have been shocking to see, you know, four 165 00:21:23,516 --> 00:21:28,116 Speaker 1: black siblings just killing Dreams by Fleetwood Mac. You know, 166 00:21:28,516 --> 00:21:30,956 Speaker 1: like because that's in the territory of classic rock, and. 167 00:21:32,756 --> 00:21:34,396 Speaker 10: You know, there's so much that could be said. 168 00:21:34,476 --> 00:21:37,596 Speaker 9: I mean, it really isn't novelty to us on that 169 00:21:37,876 --> 00:21:43,756 Speaker 9: On that side, it's it's real and it's organic to us. 170 00:21:44,956 --> 00:21:49,076 Speaker 9: It's music that we enjoy and most importantly, it's music 171 00:21:49,516 --> 00:21:53,156 Speaker 9: that we can all come together around. A song is 172 00:21:53,236 --> 00:21:57,836 Speaker 9: a song, and a song sure, different cultures contribute songs 173 00:21:57,996 --> 00:22:03,556 Speaker 9: to the world, and your different cultures contribute perspectives to 174 00:22:03,756 --> 00:22:07,876 Speaker 9: the world, but once it leaves and it's released to 175 00:22:07,996 --> 00:22:11,156 Speaker 9: the world, it belongs to the world, quite frankly, and 176 00:22:11,316 --> 00:22:15,236 Speaker 9: so you know, unless you're gonna block the dissemination of the. 177 00:22:15,996 --> 00:22:19,196 Speaker 10: Creative, Like I like that song, I want to sing it. 178 00:22:19,356 --> 00:22:22,876 Speaker 9: That's that's what it is super cool about music, and 179 00:22:22,996 --> 00:22:26,076 Speaker 9: we're starting to see it, you know, boundaries and different 180 00:22:26,276 --> 00:22:31,196 Speaker 9: cultural and ethnic backgrounds, the way hip hop really got 181 00:22:31,716 --> 00:22:35,156 Speaker 9: like the biggest consumers of say hip hop suddenly or 182 00:22:35,236 --> 00:22:38,836 Speaker 9: not or not who created hip hop or not. 183 00:22:39,316 --> 00:22:41,956 Speaker 10: It's just changed the way that. 184 00:22:42,596 --> 00:22:45,276 Speaker 1: It's ship Like blue happened to blues music and everything, 185 00:22:45,636 --> 00:22:46,356 Speaker 1: and it's just like. 186 00:22:46,436 --> 00:22:49,956 Speaker 9: Okay, suddenly it's for the world, yes, and it's kind 187 00:22:49,956 --> 00:22:52,436 Speaker 9: of nice. Yeah, it's a really beautiful way of putting 188 00:22:52,436 --> 00:22:54,036 Speaker 9: it that music and music is for the world. And 189 00:22:54,116 --> 00:22:57,116 Speaker 9: that was the for so many years, the issue with 190 00:22:57,756 --> 00:23:00,276 Speaker 9: putting music in a in a genre and essentially in 191 00:23:00,356 --> 00:23:02,876 Speaker 9: a box and done by a marketing team to market 192 00:23:02,916 --> 00:23:04,516 Speaker 9: to certain audit you know, and it's like it. 193 00:23:04,556 --> 00:23:06,676 Speaker 1: Does it don't even matter, It doesn't matter what Everyone 194 00:23:06,836 --> 00:23:09,516 Speaker 1: likes the same stuff. Everyone likes the same stuff, who 195 00:23:09,556 --> 00:23:11,796 Speaker 1: doesn't like Dolly part who doesn't like Beyonce, who doesn't 196 00:23:11,916 --> 00:23:12,716 Speaker 1: like Whitney. 197 00:23:12,876 --> 00:23:17,116 Speaker 17: You know, it's like, come on, yeah, okay, yes I will. 198 00:23:19,516 --> 00:23:21,756 Speaker 17: Music is for the world. Music is great, but. 199 00:23:23,916 --> 00:23:28,756 Speaker 16: There's still very much an ongoing conversation about genre and 200 00:23:28,876 --> 00:23:32,716 Speaker 16: about who's allowed to sing this genre or that genre. 201 00:23:32,836 --> 00:23:35,596 Speaker 16: I think specifically, I think Cowboy Carter is a great 202 00:23:35,676 --> 00:23:39,636 Speaker 16: example of you know, a woman who grew up in 203 00:23:39,756 --> 00:23:46,556 Speaker 16: Texas who really identifies with country roots and has so much, 204 00:23:47,156 --> 00:23:50,116 Speaker 16: so much, so much, so much to say in this sphere, 205 00:23:50,196 --> 00:23:56,916 Speaker 16: but then wasn't necessarily embraced, you know, because she hasn't 206 00:23:57,756 --> 00:24:00,996 Speaker 16: been doing that like full out for years. 207 00:24:01,436 --> 00:24:02,796 Speaker 17: And you know, that's. 208 00:24:06,476 --> 00:24:07,076 Speaker 3: To be clear. 209 00:24:07,476 --> 00:24:10,476 Speaker 9: I think genre is valuable, and I think building a 210 00:24:10,636 --> 00:24:14,756 Speaker 9: culture is valuable. So I don't really have too crazy 211 00:24:14,836 --> 00:24:20,676 Speaker 9: of a problem with gatekeeping a culture, because if you 212 00:24:20,956 --> 00:24:25,356 Speaker 9: build a culture and it becomes potent and important to 213 00:24:25,476 --> 00:24:28,356 Speaker 9: the world, I think you can be protective of it. 214 00:24:28,596 --> 00:24:32,636 Speaker 9: I think the challenge is, and my thinking is, let's 215 00:24:32,716 --> 00:24:37,596 Speaker 9: not be controversial this conversation. I think the challenge is 216 00:24:38,116 --> 00:24:45,036 Speaker 9: that it's not equal, meaning the guardianship of genres is 217 00:24:45,156 --> 00:24:52,636 Speaker 9: not equal, of course, and the beneficiaries of genres are 218 00:24:52,836 --> 00:24:56,236 Speaker 9: not I don't want to go to right, you're right. 219 00:24:56,196 --> 00:24:59,796 Speaker 16: But one thing I will say is that specifically, you know, 220 00:24:59,956 --> 00:25:02,276 Speaker 16: America is a very. 221 00:25:04,396 --> 00:25:05,636 Speaker 17: Particular place. 222 00:25:07,756 --> 00:25:14,676 Speaker 1: You are so politic, let's wrap it up, okay, But. 223 00:25:16,996 --> 00:25:20,276 Speaker 16: But a lot of the genres, the roots of them, 224 00:25:20,916 --> 00:25:23,476 Speaker 16: you know, these genres did not just pop up out 225 00:25:23,476 --> 00:25:26,996 Speaker 16: of nowhere in the last fifty years, you know. And 226 00:25:27,116 --> 00:25:30,516 Speaker 16: then I think where the problem lies is when people 227 00:25:30,676 --> 00:25:35,276 Speaker 16: forget or they're not educated, and they and and by 228 00:25:35,356 --> 00:25:39,636 Speaker 16: the way, it's not only like if we're talking strictly 229 00:25:39,716 --> 00:25:43,436 Speaker 16: white and black. It's not only white people who will 230 00:25:43,636 --> 00:25:48,436 Speaker 16: look at us or you know, someone black and say like, oh, 231 00:25:48,476 --> 00:25:49,356 Speaker 16: you shouldn't. 232 00:25:48,956 --> 00:25:50,356 Speaker 17: Be doing country, you shouldn't been doing rock. 233 00:25:50,916 --> 00:25:53,676 Speaker 16: A lot of times we'll say that to ourselves, not us, 234 00:25:53,796 --> 00:25:55,436 Speaker 16: but you know, black people will say that to ourselves 235 00:25:55,476 --> 00:26:00,316 Speaker 16: because there just is like a lack of education on 236 00:26:01,716 --> 00:26:07,236 Speaker 16: just how the foundation of these genres came to be, 237 00:26:07,996 --> 00:26:12,196 Speaker 16: you know. And so I think overall, we just don't 238 00:26:12,396 --> 00:26:15,036 Speaker 16: know the history of things, which is why Cowboy Carter 239 00:26:15,156 --> 00:26:18,756 Speaker 16: is so cool because now we're getting into the nitty gritty. 240 00:26:19,036 --> 00:26:22,476 Speaker 16: Now we're saying, now we're seeing like with the backlash. 241 00:26:22,556 --> 00:26:25,636 Speaker 16: It forces all of us to study, to read, to 242 00:26:25,756 --> 00:26:29,116 Speaker 16: learn to look past the past like twenty five fifty 243 00:26:29,196 --> 00:26:32,036 Speaker 16: years and look really look into like the origins of 244 00:26:32,116 --> 00:26:36,316 Speaker 16: these things, right, and then so it then opens up 245 00:26:36,356 --> 00:26:39,116 Speaker 16: the conversation for all of us to feel at home 246 00:26:39,196 --> 00:26:41,676 Speaker 16: here instead of it being like one person, one group 247 00:26:41,756 --> 00:26:45,076 Speaker 16: of people, it's like, no, the evolution of this genre. 248 00:26:45,076 --> 00:26:47,196 Speaker 17: Was actually very integrated. 249 00:26:47,676 --> 00:26:50,316 Speaker 16: It's a lot of people coming together and just trying 250 00:26:50,356 --> 00:26:53,636 Speaker 16: to make something good, you know. And so when you 251 00:26:53,796 --> 00:26:56,396 Speaker 16: kind of are forced to look back into the history 252 00:26:56,476 --> 00:27:00,316 Speaker 16: of things, I think that's when change is made and 253 00:27:00,596 --> 00:27:02,596 Speaker 16: you know, we can move forward because because if we're 254 00:27:02,956 --> 00:27:05,916 Speaker 16: if we're listening to like, okay, granted I'm twenty six, 255 00:27:06,196 --> 00:27:09,716 Speaker 16: but if we're listening to twenty year olds, they're only 256 00:27:09,836 --> 00:27:12,876 Speaker 16: gonna know what's you know, what's been put in front 257 00:27:12,876 --> 00:27:15,196 Speaker 16: of their face over the past like ten fifteen years, 258 00:27:15,476 --> 00:27:18,476 Speaker 16: if they haven't actively gone and looked and studied. So 259 00:27:18,596 --> 00:27:20,796 Speaker 16: we've got to really and the people who are leading 260 00:27:20,836 --> 00:27:23,076 Speaker 16: the conversations a lot of times on the internet are 261 00:27:23,156 --> 00:27:23,916 Speaker 16: twenty year olds. 262 00:27:24,236 --> 00:27:27,716 Speaker 17: So yes, you know, so it's just very very very 263 00:27:27,876 --> 00:27:29,756 Speaker 17: you know, it's very layered. 264 00:27:30,476 --> 00:27:32,956 Speaker 1: Naturally, that's why a group like you guys is so important. 265 00:27:32,996 --> 00:27:35,196 Speaker 1: It's so beautiful, you know. And I grew up playing guitar, 266 00:27:35,636 --> 00:27:37,196 Speaker 1: and it was like it was like, you know, it 267 00:27:37,276 --> 00:27:38,876 Speaker 1: wasn't a rock band. You know, people be like, yo, 268 00:27:38,916 --> 00:27:40,836 Speaker 1: what the I'm like, well, yeah, I like I like, 269 00:27:40,916 --> 00:27:42,556 Speaker 1: you know what I saw Hendrix. I was like, I 270 00:27:42,596 --> 00:27:43,716 Speaker 1: want to be I groom my hair out. I was like, 271 00:27:43,716 --> 00:27:44,996 Speaker 1: I want to be Hendrix. You know, I didn't turn 272 00:27:45,036 --> 00:27:46,596 Speaker 1: out to be Hendrix. You're closer to him than me. 273 00:27:46,836 --> 00:27:49,596 Speaker 1: It's real. But you know, it's like there's there really 274 00:27:49,756 --> 00:27:53,156 Speaker 1: shouldn't be limitations put on us again not to get 275 00:27:53,316 --> 00:27:55,716 Speaker 1: we can move out of the controversial as. 276 00:27:55,956 --> 00:27:57,476 Speaker 10: It shouldn't be that controversial. 277 00:27:57,556 --> 00:27:59,636 Speaker 9: But I think it's a it's a it's like a 278 00:28:00,076 --> 00:28:06,236 Speaker 9: minefield because one of these sidebars you could really say 279 00:28:06,316 --> 00:28:07,076 Speaker 9: something crazy. 280 00:28:09,436 --> 00:28:10,036 Speaker 10: That's what I asked. 281 00:28:10,436 --> 00:28:11,316 Speaker 1: Have you guys met Beyonce? 282 00:28:12,556 --> 00:28:15,236 Speaker 17: Yeah, we have. We didn't sign an NDA, so yeah, 283 00:28:15,236 --> 00:28:21,276 Speaker 17: we can talk about it a few times, just casually, casually. 284 00:28:22,116 --> 00:28:28,076 Speaker 10: There's no such things. No, there's no such thing as 285 00:28:28,156 --> 00:28:29,636 Speaker 10: meeting Beyonce casually. 286 00:28:30,556 --> 00:28:32,876 Speaker 16: I just mean it wasn't under the like you know, 287 00:28:33,236 --> 00:28:35,156 Speaker 16: under like a work environment. So we didn't have to 288 00:28:35,196 --> 00:28:36,116 Speaker 16: sign anything. 289 00:28:35,956 --> 00:28:39,356 Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, well, I mean yeah, for context, you guys 290 00:28:39,436 --> 00:28:42,956 Speaker 1: are signed to rock Nation, which is jay Z's label, 291 00:28:43,116 --> 00:28:44,556 Speaker 1: which is why I asked if you guys have met 292 00:28:44,596 --> 00:28:47,796 Speaker 1: Beyonce is the affiliation? Did you guys play her any music? 293 00:28:47,956 --> 00:28:48,676 Speaker 1: Had she heard it? 294 00:28:48,916 --> 00:28:51,036 Speaker 10: Or we didn't play her music? 295 00:28:51,436 --> 00:28:54,356 Speaker 18: But I believe that we have heard that she has 296 00:28:54,516 --> 00:28:57,796 Speaker 18: heard our music. But yeah, it was just an honor 297 00:28:57,836 --> 00:29:02,836 Speaker 18: always to meet such an icon and a legend. Always 298 00:29:02,876 --> 00:29:06,556 Speaker 18: been very gracious to us as well, and so yeah, 299 00:29:06,596 --> 00:29:08,676 Speaker 18: we love her, big fans of her on and off 300 00:29:08,716 --> 00:29:09,076 Speaker 18: the stage. 301 00:29:10,476 --> 00:29:11,796 Speaker 17: Yeah, she's really nice. 302 00:29:12,356 --> 00:29:17,876 Speaker 19: And she always points at our eyebrows because we like 303 00:29:18,036 --> 00:29:22,156 Speaker 19: Israel has a very strong example of this, but in 304 00:29:22,276 --> 00:29:24,636 Speaker 19: our I don't know, in our fan our geens, we 305 00:29:24,756 --> 00:29:27,316 Speaker 19: have like an eyebrow flick or something, and I think 306 00:29:27,436 --> 00:29:29,956 Speaker 19: she has the same thing. And like in her childhood 307 00:29:29,956 --> 00:29:31,916 Speaker 19: pictures you can see she has one eyebrow that goes 308 00:29:31,996 --> 00:29:33,036 Speaker 19: really up, so she'll like. 309 00:29:33,556 --> 00:29:38,236 Speaker 20: The eyebrows rounds them now always it might be a stretch, 310 00:29:38,356 --> 00:29:42,836 Speaker 20: but well, the few times we've met her, she has 311 00:29:42,956 --> 00:29:46,396 Speaker 20: been very excited to see that we have that in common. 312 00:29:46,476 --> 00:29:47,716 Speaker 17: She's like my cousins. 313 00:29:49,156 --> 00:29:49,796 Speaker 10: Please thank you. 314 00:29:50,036 --> 00:29:58,956 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would die to have some cons family life. 315 00:30:00,356 --> 00:30:02,956 Speaker 1: This message is brought to you by Starbucks. It's the 316 00:30:02,996 --> 00:30:05,596 Speaker 1: best time of the year. The Punkin Spice Latte is 317 00:30:05,716 --> 00:30:08,676 Speaker 1: back at Starbucks. 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And just like 334 00:31:02,156 --> 00:31:04,356 Speaker 1: how we all have favorite tracks for the summer, there 335 00:31:04,396 --> 00:31:07,476 Speaker 1: are some songs that just feel like fall. So to 336 00:31:07,516 --> 00:31:09,956 Speaker 1: help me celebrate the return of the starbar psl and 337 00:31:10,036 --> 00:31:12,156 Speaker 1: the start of the fall season, I'm joined to buy 338 00:31:12,156 --> 00:31:14,316 Speaker 1: a broken record co host Leah Rhodse to build a 339 00:31:14,396 --> 00:31:17,316 Speaker 1: fall playlist with some of our favorites. Leah, thanks for 340 00:31:17,396 --> 00:31:17,796 Speaker 1: joining me. 341 00:31:18,396 --> 00:31:20,956 Speaker 21: Thank you, justin I'm so excited to build this playlist. 342 00:31:21,316 --> 00:31:23,836 Speaker 1: First song I thought to add to this was Villain 343 00:31:23,916 --> 00:31:26,676 Speaker 1: by Anastasia, an artist who just had on broken record. 344 00:31:27,036 --> 00:31:30,436 Speaker 1: Her new album Tether is incredible and for me, when 345 00:31:30,476 --> 00:31:32,556 Speaker 1: I think about a fall song, I don't think there's 346 00:31:32,676 --> 00:31:36,036 Speaker 1: much daylight between what a fall song is and the 347 00:31:36,236 --> 00:31:39,116 Speaker 1: song that you might play if you wake up before 348 00:31:39,116 --> 00:31:41,836 Speaker 1: everyone else in your house five forty five am, six am, 349 00:31:42,596 --> 00:31:45,476 Speaker 1: and put on a pot of coffee Starbucks roast of course, 350 00:31:46,036 --> 00:31:48,596 Speaker 1: and then you sit at your kitchen table and just 351 00:31:48,676 --> 00:31:52,076 Speaker 1: watch that misclear, watch that sun come up fully, and 352 00:31:52,156 --> 00:31:54,236 Speaker 1: you're sitting there in your house in the morning in peace, 353 00:31:54,716 --> 00:31:57,396 Speaker 1: like whatever that feeling is that happens when you do that, 354 00:31:57,556 --> 00:31:59,956 Speaker 1: like that's what this song feels like to me, so 355 00:32:00,196 --> 00:32:02,436 Speaker 1: that that would be my first pick to start us 356 00:32:02,476 --> 00:32:02,836 Speaker 1: off here. 357 00:32:03,276 --> 00:32:05,476 Speaker 22: Yes, I feel that so deeply, and I feel like 358 00:32:05,876 --> 00:32:10,836 Speaker 22: Anastasia especially you mentioned fall songs having rich vocals, and 359 00:32:11,636 --> 00:32:14,836 Speaker 22: she has just like such deeply rich vocals. 360 00:32:15,116 --> 00:32:18,116 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Leo, what would what would you add? 361 00:32:18,796 --> 00:32:23,636 Speaker 22: My first pick would be Simon and Garfunkel's America. Oh 362 00:32:23,716 --> 00:32:26,556 Speaker 22: my gosh, there's something about this song. It's just like 363 00:32:26,756 --> 00:32:31,436 Speaker 22: so grand and sweeping and you know, thinking about possibility 364 00:32:31,476 --> 00:32:34,556 Speaker 22: and potential, and I feel like for some reason it 365 00:32:34,756 --> 00:32:35,436 Speaker 22: suits fall. 366 00:32:35,676 --> 00:32:37,796 Speaker 1: It fits that it fits that in line. Yeah, you 367 00:32:37,836 --> 00:32:41,476 Speaker 1: know of a question I found myself asking when when 368 00:32:41,556 --> 00:32:43,796 Speaker 1: fall hits, like where does the time go? 369 00:32:44,036 --> 00:32:44,236 Speaker 22: You know? 370 00:32:45,356 --> 00:32:47,596 Speaker 1: And so I felt like a really natural pick for 371 00:32:48,116 --> 00:32:51,476 Speaker 1: a playlist like this was Fairport Convention, Who Knows Where 372 00:32:51,516 --> 00:32:55,956 Speaker 1: the Time goes, which is also just beautiful, beautiful song. 373 00:32:56,276 --> 00:32:57,436 Speaker 1: It's a fall morning for me. 374 00:32:58,156 --> 00:33:02,156 Speaker 22: Yeah, sometimes, especially fall mornings, especially if you have a 375 00:33:02,236 --> 00:33:05,356 Speaker 22: PSL in hand, you get a little hop to your step, 376 00:33:05,876 --> 00:33:08,916 Speaker 22: you might leave the house go on a nice brisk, 377 00:33:09,436 --> 00:33:12,196 Speaker 22: crisp walk. A song that I would put on for 378 00:33:12,356 --> 00:33:15,556 Speaker 22: that moment would be Tom Petty's Time to Move. 379 00:33:15,476 --> 00:33:19,156 Speaker 1: On that's a walking in rhythm right there, that's pick 380 00:33:19,236 --> 00:33:20,756 Speaker 1: me up walk in rhythm. 381 00:33:21,356 --> 00:33:21,516 Speaker 8: Yeah. 382 00:33:21,556 --> 00:33:24,556 Speaker 22: There's something about the tone of Tom Petty's voice too, 383 00:33:24,676 --> 00:33:26,636 Speaker 22: that somehow plays into the Fall theme. 384 00:33:26,956 --> 00:33:28,596 Speaker 21: It's hard to explain, but I hear it. 385 00:33:28,916 --> 00:33:29,076 Speaker 3: Yeah. 386 00:33:29,156 --> 00:33:32,156 Speaker 1: Well, it feels very familiar, and it feels very warm, 387 00:33:32,436 --> 00:33:34,156 Speaker 1: you know, if Tom has such a warm voice and 388 00:33:34,316 --> 00:33:38,276 Speaker 1: the songwriting is just you know, unbelievable. Of course, I'm 389 00:33:38,276 --> 00:33:41,196 Speaker 1: gonna add Junior Varsity Cross the Street to this list 390 00:33:41,316 --> 00:33:45,156 Speaker 1: because even though this song is much more a beat 391 00:33:45,356 --> 00:33:47,636 Speaker 1: than the other songs I've picked so far, it has 392 00:33:47,676 --> 00:33:49,556 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's like maybe it's that that almost 393 00:33:49,956 --> 00:33:52,836 Speaker 1: cheerleader chant one of the singers does on this song, 394 00:33:52,956 --> 00:33:55,756 Speaker 1: but it reminds me of like a back to school moment. 395 00:33:56,676 --> 00:33:56,836 Speaker 16: Yeah. 396 00:33:56,916 --> 00:33:58,756 Speaker 22: I think it's good to include some of the upbeat 397 00:33:58,836 --> 00:34:01,316 Speaker 22: songs too, because for Fall, it's really easy to get 398 00:34:01,396 --> 00:34:05,676 Speaker 22: stuck in like a like the cozy, nostalgic, almost kind 399 00:34:05,716 --> 00:34:09,276 Speaker 22: of down tempo songs, but there is a feeling of like, 400 00:34:09,316 --> 00:34:10,996 Speaker 22: all right, we gotta get going, we're back. 401 00:34:11,436 --> 00:34:14,716 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's the back to school There is an upbeat. 402 00:34:14,836 --> 00:34:17,036 Speaker 1: Fall isn't all slow and languid. 403 00:34:16,756 --> 00:34:19,276 Speaker 22: Like it can be it can be fast, it can 404 00:34:19,396 --> 00:34:22,836 Speaker 22: also be very moody and kind of vibe. So my 405 00:34:22,996 --> 00:34:27,196 Speaker 22: next pick is Ermano Scutierre's Low Sun. 406 00:34:27,436 --> 00:34:28,316 Speaker 5: Mom My Boys. 407 00:34:28,396 --> 00:34:30,476 Speaker 21: I love these guys so beautiful. 408 00:34:30,596 --> 00:34:33,476 Speaker 1: Yeah, the way these guys play, they play with such 409 00:34:33,516 --> 00:34:36,356 Speaker 1: feeling and that just gets transmitted right through the record, 410 00:34:36,516 --> 00:34:37,676 Speaker 1: Like I love it. 411 00:34:38,356 --> 00:34:40,036 Speaker 21: And this is a more contemplative song. 412 00:34:40,156 --> 00:34:41,916 Speaker 22: So if you're in the fall mood where you just 413 00:34:41,956 --> 00:34:44,236 Speaker 22: sort of want to sit and you want to just 414 00:34:44,316 --> 00:34:46,436 Speaker 22: sort of think about where you're going, what you want 415 00:34:46,476 --> 00:34:48,836 Speaker 22: to do, this is an incredible song. 416 00:34:48,716 --> 00:34:49,236 Speaker 17: For that too. 417 00:34:49,636 --> 00:34:51,756 Speaker 1: And it's an instrumental, So you know what I'm gonna 418 00:34:51,756 --> 00:34:54,836 Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick. I'm gonna pick an instrumental. This is 419 00:34:54,956 --> 00:34:58,956 Speaker 1: from the album We three from the drummer Roy Haynes, 420 00:34:59,156 --> 00:35:03,556 Speaker 1: pianist Phineas Newborn Junior, and bass player Paul Chambers. Three 421 00:35:03,756 --> 00:35:07,956 Speaker 1: classic classic incredible jazz musicians. I'll pick the song Reflection 422 00:35:08,116 --> 00:35:10,796 Speaker 1: from the Week three album. There's just like a crispness 423 00:35:10,876 --> 00:35:13,636 Speaker 1: to this song and there's like a Christnas to Roy 424 00:35:13,716 --> 00:35:15,516 Speaker 1: Haynes playing. I mean, he used to call him snap 425 00:35:15,676 --> 00:35:18,596 Speaker 1: Crackle because it's just that the way he would just 426 00:35:18,676 --> 00:35:20,716 Speaker 1: hit that snare and hit the ride and the high hat. 427 00:35:21,236 --> 00:35:22,756 Speaker 1: So that song feels like Chris fall Day to me. 428 00:35:22,876 --> 00:35:26,156 Speaker 1: Plus you know, gotta have some jazz representation on the playlist. 429 00:35:26,676 --> 00:35:28,916 Speaker 21: Yeah, okay, So my next pick it's a little bit. 430 00:35:29,116 --> 00:35:32,436 Speaker 21: It's a little bit different. Crosby still's a Nash Sweet 431 00:35:32,476 --> 00:35:34,636 Speaker 21: Judy blue Eyes, whoa one. 432 00:35:34,556 --> 00:35:36,356 Speaker 1: Of the great songs of all. I love that song. 433 00:35:36,476 --> 00:35:40,196 Speaker 21: Come on, oh this song again. I don't know what 434 00:35:40,356 --> 00:35:40,676 Speaker 21: it is. 435 00:35:40,916 --> 00:35:43,836 Speaker 22: It's hard to describe, but something about like the reflection 436 00:35:44,076 --> 00:35:45,436 Speaker 22: talking about I am lonely. 437 00:35:46,436 --> 00:35:48,716 Speaker 21: It's so beautiful and it has those acoustic tones. 438 00:35:48,796 --> 00:35:50,396 Speaker 22: It has all the things that you were talking about, 439 00:35:50,396 --> 00:35:53,276 Speaker 22: has the beautiful harmonies, has the vintage feel. 440 00:35:53,796 --> 00:35:54,636 Speaker 21: It's a perfect song. 441 00:35:55,396 --> 00:35:58,796 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so you know what, I'm gonna round out 442 00:35:58,996 --> 00:36:00,676 Speaker 1: my portion of the list. I'll less you have last 443 00:36:00,676 --> 00:36:02,436 Speaker 1: pick LEO, but I'll round out my portion of this 444 00:36:02,516 --> 00:36:07,716 Speaker 1: list with this great young Newish Australian artist, Grace Cummins, 445 00:36:08,116 --> 00:36:13,716 Speaker 1: with the song you gave unbelievable the vocals, incredible, songwriting 446 00:36:13,836 --> 00:36:16,356 Speaker 1: is amazing. You know, it doesn't have the patina on 447 00:36:16,476 --> 00:36:19,036 Speaker 1: it that like a Sweet Jerty blue Eyes does, But 448 00:36:19,316 --> 00:36:21,796 Speaker 1: in my view, it's it's equally undeniable. 449 00:36:22,476 --> 00:36:22,676 Speaker 8: Yeah. 450 00:36:22,756 --> 00:36:25,956 Speaker 22: Her voice is just so magnetic, it just pulls you in. 451 00:36:26,676 --> 00:36:28,236 Speaker 1: All right, Lea, I'll let you round this out. I'll 452 00:36:28,276 --> 00:36:29,836 Speaker 1: let you take us home. Okay. 453 00:36:29,956 --> 00:36:31,956 Speaker 22: My final pick, I'm going to stick with the Laurel 454 00:36:32,076 --> 00:36:36,796 Speaker 22: Canyon scene. I'm gonna go with Joni Mitchell from Blue 455 00:36:37,236 --> 00:36:37,916 Speaker 22: A Case of You. 456 00:36:38,556 --> 00:36:42,996 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Man, Blue this song, but Blue in general. 457 00:36:43,076 --> 00:36:44,916 Speaker 1: Come on, that's the consummate Fall album. 458 00:36:45,516 --> 00:36:45,676 Speaker 10: Oh. 459 00:36:46,316 --> 00:36:50,516 Speaker 21: Just the songwriting is just unmatched, so gorgeous. 460 00:36:51,316 --> 00:36:55,916 Speaker 1: Well, we've book ended this playlist with two great singer songwriters, 461 00:36:56,156 --> 00:37:00,276 Speaker 1: Anastasia Joni Mitchell. Incredible voices on the two of them. 462 00:37:00,996 --> 00:37:02,916 Speaker 21: Yeah, for sure, I'm going to be listening to this 463 00:37:03,556 --> 00:37:04,476 Speaker 21: all throughout Fall. 464 00:37:05,396 --> 00:37:07,996 Speaker 1: I'll be listening to them too. If you haven't heard 465 00:37:08,316 --> 00:37:10,076 Speaker 1: some of these songs, to add them to your cue. 466 00:37:10,436 --> 00:37:12,676 Speaker 1: We'll drop the full play list in this episode show 467 00:37:12,756 --> 00:37:15,716 Speaker 1: notes so you can sip on your PSL and enjoy 468 00:37:15,996 --> 00:37:17,436 Speaker 1: a soundtrack for the season. 469 00:37:17,916 --> 00:37:18,556 Speaker 10: Hotter Iced. 470 00:37:18,636 --> 00:37:21,636 Speaker 1: The Pumpkin Spice Latte is available now at Starbucks for 471 00:37:21,676 --> 00:37:24,556 Speaker 1: a limited time. Grab one, throw on your headphones, and 472 00:37:24,676 --> 00:37:28,236 Speaker 1: let the season begin. It doesn't fall without the PSL. 473 00:37:28,596 --> 00:37:31,516 Speaker 1: The Starbucks Pumpkin spice Latte, get it while it's hot 474 00:37:31,876 --> 00:37:36,636 Speaker 1: or iced your Rock Nation is such a cool group. 475 00:37:36,876 --> 00:37:38,676 Speaker 1: There's so many great and cool artists on it. I 476 00:37:38,716 --> 00:37:40,636 Speaker 1: just interviewed Bootsy Collins like last week and they just 477 00:37:40,676 --> 00:37:42,476 Speaker 1: picked up like Bootsy Collins and you're like, what, like, 478 00:37:42,556 --> 00:37:45,356 Speaker 1: what in the world, Like, it's such a wonderful collection 479 00:37:45,596 --> 00:37:50,316 Speaker 1: of artists. What's it like being heralded by someone like 480 00:37:50,436 --> 00:37:53,116 Speaker 1: jay Z? You know, because it's like it's an honor, 481 00:37:53,196 --> 00:37:55,156 Speaker 1: but it also could be like heavy, I'd imagine, right, 482 00:37:55,356 --> 00:37:57,036 Speaker 1: Like one thing. 483 00:37:56,996 --> 00:37:59,236 Speaker 10: That it has not been is heavy. 484 00:37:59,476 --> 00:38:02,916 Speaker 9: I do have to say that because when we signed, 485 00:38:02,956 --> 00:38:06,796 Speaker 9: we signed roughly almost we signed nine years ago as 486 00:38:06,876 --> 00:38:10,876 Speaker 9: a family. It was a joint venture between our famili's 487 00:38:10,916 --> 00:38:14,156 Speaker 9: company and rock Nation and there was really a connection 488 00:38:14,276 --> 00:38:18,436 Speaker 9: between him and our dad that set the relationship off 489 00:38:18,636 --> 00:38:22,236 Speaker 9: to a really, really good start, and there was an 490 00:38:22,356 --> 00:38:27,636 Speaker 9: understanding there. I can't really speak to it crazy, but 491 00:38:28,156 --> 00:38:32,316 Speaker 9: because I think it was like a relationship man to man, 492 00:38:32,436 --> 00:38:37,196 Speaker 9: and sure we were there, but there was a trust 493 00:38:37,276 --> 00:38:41,036 Speaker 9: there that so it's been very free for us as 494 00:38:41,116 --> 00:38:45,556 Speaker 9: a group. So we switched genres. We were doing more 495 00:38:45,716 --> 00:38:49,316 Speaker 9: R and B leaning and then we walked into the 496 00:38:49,436 --> 00:38:53,156 Speaker 9: label one day and said, we're doing soft rock. 497 00:38:53,316 --> 00:38:53,476 Speaker 14: Now. 498 00:38:56,356 --> 00:38:58,756 Speaker 10: Can you imagine the freedom that you have to have 499 00:38:58,956 --> 00:39:00,156 Speaker 10: to be able to do that. 500 00:39:00,716 --> 00:39:03,236 Speaker 9: And early on in the relationship, one of the meetings, 501 00:39:03,636 --> 00:39:07,356 Speaker 9: jay Z he gave us permission and empowered us to 502 00:39:07,836 --> 00:39:12,196 Speaker 9: run our own race. He said the words, don't try 503 00:39:12,276 --> 00:39:14,476 Speaker 9: to catch up to us, wait for us to catch 504 00:39:14,556 --> 00:39:16,836 Speaker 9: up to you, and so that that was very empowering 505 00:39:16,876 --> 00:39:18,956 Speaker 9: and to set the tone for the relationship. I'm not 506 00:39:19,076 --> 00:39:22,716 Speaker 9: going to say that we've never, you know, disagreed on 507 00:39:22,836 --> 00:39:26,436 Speaker 9: anything within the label, because that just wouldn't be honest. 508 00:39:27,116 --> 00:39:29,116 Speaker 1: Controversially, Brahm, No, no, No. 509 00:39:29,436 --> 00:39:32,316 Speaker 9: What I'm saying is it's been a great relationship. It's 510 00:39:32,396 --> 00:39:35,116 Speaker 9: worked out really really well. So you have to put 511 00:39:35,156 --> 00:39:37,036 Speaker 9: I mean, that's cool. It's a record label, meaning you 512 00:39:37,196 --> 00:39:39,396 Speaker 9: have to kind of set the tone in some way, 513 00:39:39,436 --> 00:39:43,036 Speaker 9: and you were given permission by you know, this is incredible, 514 00:39:43,116 --> 00:39:45,436 Speaker 9: and that's what I That's why I said, of course 515 00:39:45,516 --> 00:39:48,396 Speaker 9: we've disagreed, and he said that in the meeting. He's like, 516 00:39:48,556 --> 00:39:51,556 Speaker 9: we will disagree on some things, but he said, do 517 00:39:51,756 --> 00:39:54,356 Speaker 9: not try to catch up. I want to frame it 518 00:39:54,556 --> 00:39:58,236 Speaker 9: in a way that just because you're given permission does 519 00:39:58,316 --> 00:40:02,436 Speaker 9: not mean that you don't have challenges. That's more my 520 00:40:02,636 --> 00:40:03,876 Speaker 9: thinking in the framing. 521 00:40:04,156 --> 00:40:08,396 Speaker 1: Yeah, the change from R and B soft rock, How 522 00:40:08,436 --> 00:40:11,716 Speaker 1: does that happen? That transpire within the group? Liked what 523 00:40:11,836 --> 00:40:14,796 Speaker 1: made you guys gravitate towards that kind of music. 524 00:40:15,876 --> 00:40:21,356 Speaker 19: It's something that kind of happened organically. It's really hard 525 00:40:21,436 --> 00:40:25,876 Speaker 19: to when you're trying to figure out how to position 526 00:40:26,076 --> 00:40:29,276 Speaker 19: yourself or market yourself. I think you can get really 527 00:40:29,316 --> 00:40:32,916 Speaker 19: in your head about what's the right move for me. 528 00:40:34,116 --> 00:40:36,116 Speaker 19: It just so happened that I was in a space 529 00:40:36,156 --> 00:40:40,236 Speaker 19: where I wanted to keep doing things in life that 530 00:40:40,356 --> 00:40:43,876 Speaker 19: felt good. We were posting covers online of songs and 531 00:40:44,036 --> 00:40:46,396 Speaker 19: dreams by Fleetwood. Mac was one of these covers that 532 00:40:46,476 --> 00:40:49,316 Speaker 19: we posted went viral. Was just a huge you know, 533 00:40:49,436 --> 00:40:53,996 Speaker 19: our arrangement of it was so singular, and so when 534 00:40:54,036 --> 00:40:57,356 Speaker 19: we put it online, like everybody loved it and we 535 00:40:57,476 --> 00:41:00,516 Speaker 19: moved on. We did other covers a few months goes by, 536 00:41:01,156 --> 00:41:05,676 Speaker 19: and there was something about the way that we performed 537 00:41:05,796 --> 00:41:08,276 Speaker 19: that song and arranged that song. I just remember us 538 00:41:08,636 --> 00:41:12,156 Speaker 19: before ever posting it, like coming up with that like 539 00:41:12,756 --> 00:41:15,356 Speaker 19: end tag in the back room of our house where 540 00:41:15,396 --> 00:41:17,716 Speaker 19: we rehearse, Like I just remember us wanting to sing 541 00:41:17,796 --> 00:41:21,916 Speaker 19: it over and over and over again, and being completely honest, 542 00:41:21,996 --> 00:41:24,636 Speaker 19: when you're working with your siblings, that doesn't happen every day. 543 00:41:24,916 --> 00:41:27,076 Speaker 19: It's more so like you want to stop singing as 544 00:41:27,116 --> 00:41:33,036 Speaker 19: soon as possible and move on so fast forward, like okay, 545 00:41:33,276 --> 00:41:35,356 Speaker 19: thinking about the future of the band, Like if I 546 00:41:35,596 --> 00:41:38,236 Speaker 19: wanted this to feel like something every day, it would 547 00:41:38,276 --> 00:41:38,876 Speaker 19: be that moment. 548 00:41:39,436 --> 00:41:40,236 Speaker 17: So that's how I. 549 00:41:40,276 --> 00:41:42,276 Speaker 19: Kind of framed it in my mind, and I was 550 00:41:42,316 --> 00:41:44,796 Speaker 19: thinking about it, I was like, maybe we need to 551 00:41:44,876 --> 00:41:48,036 Speaker 19: sing more of that kind of style of music, and 552 00:41:48,876 --> 00:41:52,916 Speaker 19: I just presented the idea to everyone else after thinking 553 00:41:52,916 --> 00:41:54,716 Speaker 19: about it for a long time. I was like, actually, 554 00:41:55,276 --> 00:41:59,316 Speaker 19: as a collective, I think soft rock really does represent 555 00:41:59,476 --> 00:42:04,796 Speaker 19: us because it's a genre where we can each collectively 556 00:42:04,956 --> 00:42:07,676 Speaker 19: like play to our strengths all at the same time. 557 00:42:07,796 --> 00:42:10,636 Speaker 19: It's not one person's you know, in their sweet spot 558 00:42:10,716 --> 00:42:13,756 Speaker 19: and the other people are like struggling or whatever. It's 559 00:42:13,836 --> 00:42:17,556 Speaker 19: like equally across the board, able to highlight us as 560 00:42:17,836 --> 00:42:20,676 Speaker 19: both a group and individuals at the same time. So 561 00:42:21,316 --> 00:42:23,916 Speaker 19: everyone kind of was like, oh, yeah, that makes sense. 562 00:42:24,436 --> 00:42:28,716 Speaker 16: I would also say when we did sign to rock Nation, 563 00:42:29,116 --> 00:42:32,996 Speaker 16: we didn't really we didn't necessarily sign with a genre 564 00:42:33,756 --> 00:42:36,996 Speaker 16: picked out. You know, we like kind of I don't 565 00:42:37,036 --> 00:42:38,836 Speaker 16: want to say we auditioned for jay Z, but we 566 00:42:38,956 --> 00:42:42,316 Speaker 16: did perform on the top floor for him in the office, 567 00:42:42,356 --> 00:42:46,436 Speaker 16: and it looked something like this with a guitar and 568 00:42:47,556 --> 00:42:49,756 Speaker 16: us just singing like we did with the guitar. No, no, 569 00:42:49,916 --> 00:42:52,596 Speaker 16: Victory was playing the guitar, and then we were all singing. 570 00:42:52,756 --> 00:42:57,596 Speaker 16: So it wasn't like we came in with five songs 571 00:42:57,716 --> 00:42:59,996 Speaker 16: ready to be played that are in the studio and 572 00:43:00,036 --> 00:43:03,596 Speaker 16: they're leaning towards a genre. Like there was no genre 573 00:43:03,756 --> 00:43:07,716 Speaker 16: picked out for us, but he more so saw the 574 00:43:07,876 --> 00:43:11,156 Speaker 16: vision of us, and he saw similarities. 575 00:43:10,516 --> 00:43:12,316 Speaker 17: Between our story and his story. 576 00:43:12,396 --> 00:43:14,756 Speaker 16: And you know, he sold his CDs out the back 577 00:43:14,796 --> 00:43:17,796 Speaker 16: of his truck and we would sell CDs when we 578 00:43:17,956 --> 00:43:20,396 Speaker 16: were growing up, Like our dad would have us in 579 00:43:20,476 --> 00:43:25,436 Speaker 16: the studio just working on old songs like hymns and 580 00:43:25,516 --> 00:43:28,556 Speaker 16: gospel songs, but also songs that he had written or 581 00:43:28,916 --> 00:43:31,516 Speaker 16: we'd written together, and we would sell those like we 582 00:43:31,556 --> 00:43:33,396 Speaker 16: would sell them to people on the street, like, hey 583 00:43:33,476 --> 00:43:35,956 Speaker 16: want to buy our music, and so like that kind 584 00:43:36,036 --> 00:43:41,836 Speaker 16: of foundational drive, I think more is what he signed 585 00:43:41,916 --> 00:43:46,036 Speaker 16: us for. So when we did start getting in the 586 00:43:46,076 --> 00:43:49,476 Speaker 16: studio and making music commercially. I think it was more 587 00:43:49,556 --> 00:43:54,676 Speaker 16: of a maybe a self imposed pressure to do what 588 00:43:54,996 --> 00:43:58,156 Speaker 16: felt like it could be commercially viable. Like he never 589 00:43:58,436 --> 00:44:01,036 Speaker 16: told us like you gotta do R and B, but 590 00:44:01,636 --> 00:44:04,676 Speaker 16: you know, trying to find your legs and trying to 591 00:44:04,836 --> 00:44:05,596 Speaker 16: find out. 592 00:44:05,596 --> 00:44:08,076 Speaker 17: Like, Okay, it's just a part of the process. 593 00:44:08,156 --> 00:44:10,916 Speaker 16: You go through different genres, you go through different things 594 00:44:10,996 --> 00:44:13,916 Speaker 16: until you kind of return home, or you kind of 595 00:44:13,996 --> 00:44:18,396 Speaker 16: return back to what you've always done, which is melding 596 00:44:18,476 --> 00:44:24,996 Speaker 16: our voices together in sweet harmonic ways and writing very 597 00:44:25,156 --> 00:44:29,316 Speaker 16: honest and truthful lyrics and finding a place, like Angel said, 598 00:44:29,356 --> 00:44:31,756 Speaker 16: finding a place for us all to shine. So we 599 00:44:31,876 --> 00:44:34,596 Speaker 16: were never told to be R and B or pop. 600 00:44:34,756 --> 00:44:37,636 Speaker 16: It was just kind of part of the process until 601 00:44:37,676 --> 00:44:40,796 Speaker 16: we landed to something that felt so natural. 602 00:44:41,756 --> 00:44:42,396 Speaker 1: It's amazing. 603 00:44:43,196 --> 00:44:46,476 Speaker 9: Wait very quickly, there's one aspect of this story that 604 00:44:46,596 --> 00:44:48,956 Speaker 9: I feel like I need to tell because people don't 605 00:44:48,996 --> 00:44:52,196 Speaker 9: know it. So this might be the first time I'm 606 00:44:52,236 --> 00:44:56,556 Speaker 9: telling this story. So key fact, our dad he somehow 607 00:44:57,036 --> 00:44:59,876 Speaker 9: got I don't remember how it happened, but he got 608 00:44:59,916 --> 00:45:03,756 Speaker 9: in contact with jay Z and he sent him an email. 609 00:45:04,476 --> 00:45:07,876 Speaker 9: I don't know how it happened, but we ended up 610 00:45:07,916 --> 00:45:11,916 Speaker 9: in the office. Then our dad had a pitch a pit. 611 00:45:12,036 --> 00:45:14,476 Speaker 9: He was going to pitch the family to Jay Z. 612 00:45:15,196 --> 00:45:19,596 Speaker 9: He brought a deck, a whole deck. Spent I don't 613 00:45:19,636 --> 00:45:23,236 Speaker 9: know how many days building this deck, and so we 614 00:45:23,356 --> 00:45:26,276 Speaker 9: get in the room. It's just it's it's our family. 615 00:45:26,916 --> 00:45:31,116 Speaker 9: It's Jay and it's Tai Chai. And now someone else 616 00:45:31,276 --> 00:45:33,756 Speaker 9: was there, and it's our family. And he starts going 617 00:45:33,836 --> 00:45:36,876 Speaker 9: through the deck line by line by line by line 618 00:45:36,996 --> 00:45:40,276 Speaker 9: by line, and it probably the presentation probably took twenty 619 00:45:40,316 --> 00:45:41,156 Speaker 9: minutes or something. 620 00:45:42,236 --> 00:45:45,796 Speaker 10: And he was nervous for sure. I don't know. 621 00:45:45,876 --> 00:45:47,476 Speaker 9: I would have to ask him how he felt, but 622 00:45:47,676 --> 00:45:50,956 Speaker 9: he I anticipate he was nervous by the time he 623 00:45:51,076 --> 00:45:52,556 Speaker 9: got done through the deck. 624 00:45:53,236 --> 00:45:58,076 Speaker 10: The next thing we were being offered was a record deal. 625 00:45:59,036 --> 00:46:00,716 Speaker 10: Like it was instant. 626 00:46:01,556 --> 00:46:05,476 Speaker 9: It's hard to put into as we're talking about this 627 00:46:05,716 --> 00:46:09,916 Speaker 9: relationship and the nine years and the work and all 628 00:46:09,956 --> 00:46:14,276 Speaker 9: of that stuff and our story and our history. It's 629 00:46:14,316 --> 00:46:18,716 Speaker 9: pretty crazy and pretty admirable, and it's just a byproduct 630 00:46:18,796 --> 00:46:23,596 Speaker 9: of what we keep in mind as we continue forward, 631 00:46:24,236 --> 00:46:26,396 Speaker 9: Like I'll never forget that deck. 632 00:46:27,276 --> 00:46:29,356 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like you should teach a masterclass all 633 00:46:29,396 --> 00:46:30,796 Speaker 1: the way. We don't bring that deck out. 634 00:46:30,836 --> 00:46:34,836 Speaker 9: That's oh, I just made the connection. Okay, Yeah, Father's 635 00:46:34,876 --> 00:46:40,556 Speaker 9: Day is on Sunday. Heavy Father's Day, great occasion on 636 00:46:40,636 --> 00:46:40,956 Speaker 9: our fall. 637 00:46:41,076 --> 00:46:46,476 Speaker 1: Mister boy After one last break, we're back with the 638 00:46:46,516 --> 00:46:49,796 Speaker 1: rest of my conversation with Infinity Song from the Tribeca Festival. 639 00:46:54,316 --> 00:46:56,996 Speaker 1: You said, Abraham that you're when you guys were raised 640 00:46:56,996 --> 00:46:59,316 Speaker 1: And by the way, hometown band was an asking top 641 00:46:59,436 --> 00:47:02,116 Speaker 1: New York. Yes, New York by way of Detroit. Yes, 642 00:47:02,236 --> 00:47:04,596 Speaker 1: I just want to make that clear because Detroit is 643 00:47:04,716 --> 00:47:07,516 Speaker 1: one of the great American cities produce some of the 644 00:47:07,596 --> 00:47:11,796 Speaker 1: great American votevocalists, and you guys in some way are 645 00:47:11,836 --> 00:47:14,236 Speaker 1: in that tradition and some others as well. But it's 646 00:47:14,356 --> 00:47:18,276 Speaker 1: just but you were raised in Detroit and you partially 647 00:47:18,676 --> 00:47:20,916 Speaker 1: and you said that your dad used music as an 648 00:47:20,956 --> 00:47:24,476 Speaker 1: instrument to teach you guys all kinds of things. 649 00:47:24,276 --> 00:47:27,636 Speaker 23: And yeah, he's here, by the way, it's right there, 650 00:47:28,276 --> 00:47:35,356 Speaker 23: mister Boyd, And he used it growing up. 651 00:47:35,676 --> 00:47:39,316 Speaker 9: But it's also something that he still uses to kind 652 00:47:39,356 --> 00:47:42,276 Speaker 9: of mentor us and teach us. He's our manager as well, 653 00:47:42,476 --> 00:47:45,876 Speaker 9: so we it's been a tool since childhood and it's 654 00:47:45,956 --> 00:47:50,236 Speaker 9: something that is still a tool of learning for us 655 00:47:51,196 --> 00:47:54,636 Speaker 9: as a family. So Detroit gave us our talent. New 656 00:47:54,756 --> 00:47:57,836 Speaker 9: York gave us our dreams, and that's often the story. 657 00:47:58,796 --> 00:48:04,036 Speaker 9: Usually it's hard to break through in the Midwest. The 658 00:48:04,156 --> 00:48:06,436 Speaker 9: South has figured it out that the Midwest is not. 659 00:48:06,916 --> 00:48:09,036 Speaker 9: So that's our story as well. 660 00:48:09,956 --> 00:48:12,596 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just want to make clear. So 661 00:48:12,796 --> 00:48:15,636 Speaker 1: four siblings are here, but how many total were in 662 00:48:15,676 --> 00:48:16,436 Speaker 1: the house growing up? 663 00:48:16,636 --> 00:48:18,956 Speaker 17: There are nine of us and in total. 664 00:48:19,076 --> 00:48:22,396 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's a job alled don dad. As a 665 00:48:22,476 --> 00:48:24,196 Speaker 1: dad myself, I'm not can only hope to. 666 00:48:25,796 --> 00:48:26,716 Speaker 10: Wait, how many do you have? 667 00:48:27,596 --> 00:48:27,756 Speaker 4: Two? 668 00:48:27,836 --> 00:48:28,556 Speaker 1: And one on the way? 669 00:48:28,836 --> 00:48:31,316 Speaker 10: So when when is the new one? 670 00:48:31,476 --> 00:48:31,996 Speaker 1: September? 671 00:48:32,436 --> 00:48:36,476 Speaker 9: Ooh yeah yeah, yeah, I'm a bar full summer. 672 00:48:36,676 --> 00:48:42,276 Speaker 1: This is so many ways, but yeah, I could only 673 00:48:42,716 --> 00:48:45,996 Speaker 1: I mean, without pushing music on my kids, I hope 674 00:48:45,996 --> 00:48:48,916 Speaker 1: I try to keep the house musical. And similarly, I 675 00:48:48,996 --> 00:48:50,636 Speaker 1: hope I'm trying to use music as a way to 676 00:48:51,236 --> 00:48:53,076 Speaker 1: teach my kids, not mean that that there'll be musicians, 677 00:48:53,116 --> 00:48:56,596 Speaker 1: but just to teach them that you mentioned integrity. You 678 00:48:56,676 --> 00:49:01,436 Speaker 1: can learn so much about integrity and character through music 679 00:49:01,956 --> 00:49:03,836 Speaker 1: and through having a love of music, because it really 680 00:49:03,876 --> 00:49:07,676 Speaker 1: connects you to humanity and the people around you. Were 681 00:49:07,756 --> 00:49:11,116 Speaker 1: you guys in a musical house? What was the how 682 00:49:11,436 --> 00:49:13,476 Speaker 1: or how was it musical? It was clearly musical, But 683 00:49:13,636 --> 00:49:14,676 Speaker 1: how was it musical? 684 00:49:15,316 --> 00:49:19,676 Speaker 17: It was musical in the small ways and the big ways. 685 00:49:19,836 --> 00:49:24,476 Speaker 16: So like waking my dad waking us up by blasting 686 00:49:24,756 --> 00:49:28,436 Speaker 16: music through the speaker, you know, singing, we're. 687 00:49:28,396 --> 00:49:29,636 Speaker 17: Just singing really loudly. 688 00:49:31,116 --> 00:49:36,036 Speaker 16: Or every day gathering around the table and he's beating 689 00:49:36,076 --> 00:49:38,316 Speaker 16: on the table, using the table as a drum, and 690 00:49:38,476 --> 00:49:41,956 Speaker 16: he has us improvising on the spot. I remember being 691 00:49:42,036 --> 00:49:46,836 Speaker 16: so young when my older siblings would jump in and 692 00:49:47,236 --> 00:49:49,036 Speaker 16: be able to make up words and make. 693 00:49:48,956 --> 00:49:52,356 Speaker 17: Up melodies, and I was like, will I ever be 694 00:49:52,436 --> 00:49:53,996 Speaker 17: able to improvise like that? 695 00:49:54,836 --> 00:49:54,996 Speaker 3: You know? 696 00:49:55,196 --> 00:50:00,236 Speaker 16: So it was just the household of adapting, learning on 697 00:50:00,356 --> 00:50:06,356 Speaker 16: the spot, being able to be creative and think outside 698 00:50:06,396 --> 00:50:09,316 Speaker 16: of the box a little bit. I think that's when 699 00:50:09,636 --> 00:50:12,356 Speaker 16: you're young, you don't really understand all the lessons that 700 00:50:12,476 --> 00:50:15,196 Speaker 16: you're being taught, you know. And a lot of people 701 00:50:15,956 --> 00:50:19,396 Speaker 16: use so many mediums to teach their kids. Their sports families, 702 00:50:19,596 --> 00:50:22,636 Speaker 16: they are like film family. There are so many different 703 00:50:22,676 --> 00:50:26,476 Speaker 16: ways to teach your kids these fundamental life lessons. But 704 00:50:26,596 --> 00:50:31,356 Speaker 16: I think music being our dads, our parents' way was 705 00:50:31,396 --> 00:50:34,796 Speaker 16: so powerful because that's what you need. You need a 706 00:50:34,876 --> 00:50:37,076 Speaker 16: spirit of creativity. You need to be able to think 707 00:50:37,676 --> 00:50:41,596 Speaker 16: on your feet. You need to be able to deliver 708 00:50:41,716 --> 00:50:45,916 Speaker 16: a riveting performance in other ways in other areas of life, 709 00:50:45,996 --> 00:50:49,716 Speaker 16: and you know, win people over and speak people's language from. 710 00:50:49,556 --> 00:50:52,436 Speaker 17: Heart to heart and unite people. 711 00:50:52,716 --> 00:50:55,316 Speaker 16: You know, there's so many lessons that music teaches us 712 00:50:55,436 --> 00:50:58,356 Speaker 16: that you only start to realize when you get a 713 00:50:58,396 --> 00:50:59,116 Speaker 16: little bit older. 714 00:51:00,196 --> 00:51:01,916 Speaker 1: I imagine the church as well had to do that 715 00:51:01,996 --> 00:51:02,436 Speaker 1: for you guys. 716 00:51:02,516 --> 00:51:02,636 Speaker 19: Right. 717 00:51:03,436 --> 00:51:07,916 Speaker 9: So for us growing up, we were exposed to a 718 00:51:08,036 --> 00:51:11,276 Speaker 9: lot of music, but we were not exposed. 719 00:51:10,836 --> 00:51:13,036 Speaker 10: To all music growing up. 720 00:51:13,276 --> 00:51:19,236 Speaker 9: So what that means is we grew up really steeped 721 00:51:19,356 --> 00:51:25,636 Speaker 9: in gospel music, classical music, and jazz, and then fourth 722 00:51:25,876 --> 00:51:28,876 Speaker 9: it was soul, but it wasn't like all soul. 723 00:51:29,356 --> 00:51:35,316 Speaker 10: It was like Marvin Gay and the Earth Wind and 724 00:51:35,396 --> 00:51:39,676 Speaker 10: Fire and like ron Isley. It was a limited list. 725 00:51:39,876 --> 00:51:44,676 Speaker 9: It wasn't it wasn't it wasn't everybody, and so I 726 00:51:44,756 --> 00:51:49,156 Speaker 9: think it was by design. Those were really foundational genres 727 00:51:50,156 --> 00:51:53,796 Speaker 9: that taught us. Music are to being a choir director, 728 00:51:53,956 --> 00:51:58,876 Speaker 9: having multiple choirs. Back in Detroit, choral music was was 729 00:51:59,516 --> 00:52:05,356 Speaker 9: key to our foundation. So we really didn't get into 730 00:52:05,436 --> 00:52:10,596 Speaker 9: pop music until teenage years. Which it's funny because now 731 00:52:10,676 --> 00:52:14,276 Speaker 9: we do prop me. I don't know, well, how. 732 00:52:14,156 --> 00:52:17,076 Speaker 1: Does that happen? How how do you guys go from 733 00:52:17,796 --> 00:52:20,196 Speaker 1: you know, if the order of operations musically in the 734 00:52:20,516 --> 00:52:24,996 Speaker 1: home was gospel, classical, jazz, and a smattering of top 735 00:52:25,276 --> 00:52:28,876 Speaker 1: shelf soul, then how do you guys go from that's 736 00:52:28,916 --> 00:52:33,156 Speaker 1: your diet to when you guys are performing becoming more 737 00:52:33,196 --> 00:52:33,996 Speaker 1: of a pop group? 738 00:52:34,476 --> 00:52:36,316 Speaker 18: I would say Also a big part of it is 739 00:52:36,396 --> 00:52:41,756 Speaker 18: that we all grew up obviously informed by the same 740 00:52:42,476 --> 00:52:45,956 Speaker 18: you know route, but we all took different things. We're 741 00:52:45,956 --> 00:52:48,916 Speaker 18: all different branches of the same tree. So you know, 742 00:52:49,676 --> 00:52:53,156 Speaker 18: Momo or Abram or Angel or whoever might gravitate more 743 00:52:53,196 --> 00:52:56,596 Speaker 18: towards one thing, and then I might gravitate gravitate more 744 00:52:56,636 --> 00:52:59,876 Speaker 18: towards another thing, and I think over time that just 745 00:53:00,396 --> 00:53:04,076 Speaker 18: that shaped us. You're hearing kind of an amalgamation, you know, 746 00:53:04,676 --> 00:53:08,956 Speaker 18: Like I remember growing up on gospel and classical in jazz, 747 00:53:09,476 --> 00:53:12,716 Speaker 18: but I didn't actually like I didn't understand music for 748 00:53:12,836 --> 00:53:15,956 Speaker 18: myself or even really listen to music. Until I was 749 00:53:16,676 --> 00:53:19,636 Speaker 18: sixteen or seventeen. So there was like when I was 750 00:53:19,676 --> 00:53:22,396 Speaker 18: a child and I would hear gospel or classical and 751 00:53:22,476 --> 00:53:25,196 Speaker 18: jazz in the house and I loved especially like an 752 00:53:25,276 --> 00:53:28,356 Speaker 18: artist my dad would play, Pat Metheeni was a really 753 00:53:28,396 --> 00:53:31,796 Speaker 18: big fan of him. I was around thirteen, maybe fourteen. 754 00:53:32,036 --> 00:53:35,196 Speaker 18: We were doing an interview and somebody asked, what's who 755 00:53:35,236 --> 00:53:39,236 Speaker 18: are your favorite artists? And I had no idea because 756 00:53:39,276 --> 00:53:40,996 Speaker 18: I didn't I understood music. 757 00:53:41,076 --> 00:53:41,636 Speaker 5: I just didn't. 758 00:53:42,116 --> 00:53:44,036 Speaker 18: I had not discovered it for myself. So I was 759 00:53:44,076 --> 00:53:49,316 Speaker 18: like Michael Jackson and I don't know, I liked these genres. 760 00:53:49,796 --> 00:53:53,116 Speaker 18: And then as I got older personally, it was it 761 00:53:53,236 --> 00:53:56,596 Speaker 18: wasn't so much discovering what I like more so it 762 00:53:56,796 --> 00:54:01,036 Speaker 18: was like putting faces to the things I already knew 763 00:54:01,076 --> 00:54:03,036 Speaker 18: I liked since I was a child. So I remember, 764 00:54:03,356 --> 00:54:06,196 Speaker 18: I don't know if we're supposed to say his name anymore, 765 00:54:06,356 --> 00:54:09,516 Speaker 18: but Kanye. I remember the first time, first time I 766 00:54:09,596 --> 00:54:11,356 Speaker 18: listened to him, I was like, oh, this puts this 767 00:54:11,516 --> 00:54:13,076 Speaker 18: puts a I think the first song I heard was 768 00:54:13,116 --> 00:54:16,516 Speaker 18: Blood on the Leaves, and I was like, this sounds 769 00:54:16,636 --> 00:54:19,716 Speaker 18: like you know, it was almost rock, you know, the 770 00:54:19,796 --> 00:54:22,876 Speaker 18: way he the spirit with which he, you know, wrote 771 00:54:22,916 --> 00:54:26,836 Speaker 18: that music. And but that's just one example. Then you 772 00:54:26,956 --> 00:54:31,036 Speaker 18: have just you know, over time, just musicians that I 773 00:54:31,156 --> 00:54:35,036 Speaker 18: personally gravitated towards that just uncovered what I like and 774 00:54:35,436 --> 00:54:38,436 Speaker 18: all that. I think that's kind of the thing for 775 00:54:38,516 --> 00:54:40,756 Speaker 18: all of us. The way, the way we developed as 776 00:54:40,796 --> 00:54:44,316 Speaker 18: a unit was that we all obviously have the same foundation, 777 00:54:44,636 --> 00:54:49,236 Speaker 18: but we all are very unique and Infinity Song does 778 00:54:49,316 --> 00:54:52,196 Speaker 18: not sound like any one of us. It sounds like 779 00:54:52,556 --> 00:54:55,716 Speaker 18: the collection of us truly. So that's how we get 780 00:54:55,796 --> 00:54:58,356 Speaker 18: to this. It's like, well, what do you like and 781 00:54:58,396 --> 00:54:58,836 Speaker 18: what do you like? 782 00:54:58,876 --> 00:55:01,196 Speaker 10: What do you like? And then it comes to this 783 00:55:01,356 --> 00:55:01,836 Speaker 10: kind of home. 784 00:55:02,836 --> 00:55:05,956 Speaker 1: Is that part of the writing process too, Like someone 785 00:55:06,036 --> 00:55:10,516 Speaker 1: brings an idea and then each person teases out what 786 00:55:10,636 --> 00:55:12,516 Speaker 1: their part is, or do you does someone come with 787 00:55:12,596 --> 00:55:16,356 Speaker 1: a fully formed idea like I believe you wrote pink 788 00:55:16,476 --> 00:55:17,276 Speaker 1: Sky right. 789 00:55:17,956 --> 00:55:19,316 Speaker 10: So yeah, usually it's someone. 790 00:55:19,796 --> 00:55:23,436 Speaker 18: Sometimes we write together, but actually we usually write separately. 791 00:55:23,596 --> 00:55:26,836 Speaker 18: But I think that even in our separate writings, I 792 00:55:26,876 --> 00:55:29,396 Speaker 18: think we all take into account the ear and the 793 00:55:29,836 --> 00:55:32,956 Speaker 18: temperament of the other performers, because you know, we're not 794 00:55:33,036 --> 00:55:35,596 Speaker 18: performing ourselves. So when I write, or when Angel writes 795 00:55:35,676 --> 00:55:38,836 Speaker 18: or whoever writes. I we just write for the group, 796 00:55:39,316 --> 00:55:41,756 Speaker 18: not for ourselves, because that's a whole whole different thing, 797 00:55:42,076 --> 00:55:44,236 Speaker 18: different temperament, different everything. 798 00:55:45,556 --> 00:55:48,276 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you guys had it at one point another 799 00:55:48,396 --> 00:55:52,236 Speaker 1: sister in the group, Victory, and she did some of 800 00:55:52,276 --> 00:55:53,916 Speaker 1: the writing too, So I imagine, and do you guys 801 00:55:53,956 --> 00:55:55,476 Speaker 1: still work with her or are you guys writing with 802 00:55:55,556 --> 00:55:57,916 Speaker 1: her on any level? 803 00:55:58,316 --> 00:56:01,116 Speaker 10: We look forward to I think that. 804 00:56:01,556 --> 00:56:05,636 Speaker 9: I mean, that's our sister, So there's always an opportunity 805 00:56:05,716 --> 00:56:10,116 Speaker 9: to collaborate, always an opportunity to work together right together. 806 00:56:10,876 --> 00:56:13,916 Speaker 9: When she went solo, I think there was a real 807 00:56:14,036 --> 00:56:18,836 Speaker 9: desire for her to build her own sound, and also 808 00:56:18,956 --> 00:56:21,116 Speaker 9: we had to do a lot of work because Victory 809 00:56:21,556 --> 00:56:25,156 Speaker 9: is a founding member of Infinity Song and our sound 810 00:56:25,996 --> 00:56:30,756 Speaker 9: was very much rooted in her musical paradigm when she 811 00:56:30,916 --> 00:56:33,036 Speaker 9: was in the band, and so we actually had to 812 00:56:33,556 --> 00:56:37,916 Speaker 9: relearn how we do music when she went solo. And 813 00:56:37,996 --> 00:56:41,796 Speaker 9: that was a blessing, but it was also extremely challenging 814 00:56:42,516 --> 00:56:46,556 Speaker 9: in terms of just the anatomy of what do we 815 00:56:46,756 --> 00:56:51,396 Speaker 9: sound like now? Going from twenty losing twenty percent of 816 00:56:51,476 --> 00:56:54,076 Speaker 9: the band and then also like fifty percent of the 817 00:56:54,156 --> 00:56:58,876 Speaker 9: creative DNA that was that was that was very challenging. 818 00:56:59,396 --> 00:57:02,116 Speaker 1: But until you can learn to, of course, reconfigure the 819 00:57:02,196 --> 00:57:05,676 Speaker 1: creative process and supplement the fifty and become your own 820 00:57:05,756 --> 00:57:08,436 Speaker 1: and find you right like I imagine you guys now 821 00:57:08,596 --> 00:57:11,596 Speaker 1: as a four some are finding your path creatively, like 822 00:57:11,716 --> 00:57:16,116 Speaker 1: Metamorphous is complete. It's such a wonderful project. And American 823 00:57:16,196 --> 00:57:18,716 Speaker 1: Love Song is a new song that came out. It's incredible, 824 00:57:18,956 --> 00:57:24,836 Speaker 1: really well written, beautiful song. So yeah, it seems like 825 00:57:24,996 --> 00:57:29,036 Speaker 1: you guys are are without victory finding it'd be like 826 00:57:29,276 --> 00:57:31,276 Speaker 1: earth Wind and Fire finding the way without you know, 827 00:57:31,476 --> 00:57:33,516 Speaker 1: Maurice or something. You guys are figuring it out. 828 00:57:33,636 --> 00:57:35,636 Speaker 17: Oh absolutely, I think so. 829 00:57:35,836 --> 00:57:40,716 Speaker 16: Metamorphosis complete was like completely written by US four, completely 830 00:57:40,756 --> 00:57:44,196 Speaker 16: written and produced by US four, and at this point 831 00:57:44,236 --> 00:57:50,196 Speaker 16: it is exactly like, Yeah, it was. 832 00:57:50,236 --> 00:57:51,916 Speaker 10: A hard year, to be clear. 833 00:57:52,036 --> 00:57:54,196 Speaker 9: It was one year where we were trying to figure 834 00:57:54,236 --> 00:57:58,236 Speaker 9: it out and then thank god, we came out with 835 00:57:58,436 --> 00:58:00,676 Speaker 9: better music than we've ever created together. 836 00:58:00,836 --> 00:58:02,316 Speaker 10: So it's it's quite remarkable. 837 00:58:02,836 --> 00:58:05,276 Speaker 17: Yeah, I would agree for. 838 00:58:05,356 --> 00:58:08,836 Speaker 1: You, momo. How what was your sort of trajectory through 839 00:58:09,556 --> 00:58:12,476 Speaker 1: discovering guitar and finding your voice? 840 00:58:13,356 --> 00:58:17,836 Speaker 16: So obviously the foundation that we've already you know, disclosed 841 00:58:18,116 --> 00:58:22,556 Speaker 16: like growing up in the household that I did, learning 842 00:58:22,676 --> 00:58:27,036 Speaker 16: so much from my dad. But then, as Israel pointed out, 843 00:58:27,156 --> 00:58:29,756 Speaker 16: like once you, once each of us reached a certain 844 00:58:29,876 --> 00:58:35,036 Speaker 16: age in like adolescence, you kind of have an awakening 845 00:58:35,236 --> 00:58:38,356 Speaker 16: like Okay, what do I really want to do? How 846 00:58:38,396 --> 00:58:41,996 Speaker 16: do I really want to sound? And I remember being 847 00:58:42,156 --> 00:58:49,876 Speaker 16: about eleven or twelve or something, and the biggest woman 848 00:58:50,236 --> 00:58:53,756 Speaker 16: singer influence that I had was Victory actually, funnily enough, 849 00:58:54,316 --> 00:58:57,276 Speaker 16: and I remember thinking, she has the best voice I've 850 00:58:57,276 --> 00:59:00,236 Speaker 16: ever heard. I want to sound just like her. And 851 00:59:00,836 --> 00:59:03,596 Speaker 16: you know, I would just watch her warming up, watch 852 00:59:03,676 --> 00:59:06,596 Speaker 16: her performing, and I would be like, Okay, if I 853 00:59:06,676 --> 00:59:09,716 Speaker 16: can sound like her, I will be very happy. And 854 00:59:09,836 --> 00:59:11,996 Speaker 16: that was my only goal. How do I sound like her? 855 00:59:12,636 --> 00:59:16,036 Speaker 16: Like when people cite their influences and like they say like, oh, 856 00:59:16,356 --> 00:59:18,236 Speaker 16: I learned this from Lauren Hill, And I learned that 857 00:59:18,356 --> 00:59:22,116 Speaker 16: from She's one of my initial influences. 858 00:59:22,316 --> 00:59:25,636 Speaker 17: You know, No, Victory, Okay. 859 00:59:26,556 --> 00:59:28,156 Speaker 1: Also Lauren, you said Lauren and that sort of thing 860 00:59:28,156 --> 00:59:29,236 Speaker 1: about unplugged. 861 00:59:28,836 --> 00:59:31,556 Speaker 16: In the guitar and no, absolutely I was gonna get 862 00:59:31,596 --> 00:59:36,596 Speaker 16: to her next because absolutely huge. The Unplugged album actually 863 00:59:36,756 --> 00:59:41,236 Speaker 16: changed my life. Also, Donnie Hathaway, just excellent in every way. 864 00:59:42,076 --> 00:59:45,156 Speaker 16: Nina Simone as well, just excellent at what she does, 865 00:59:45,276 --> 00:59:48,396 Speaker 16: but so unique. Same for Ella Fitzgerald. 866 00:59:48,556 --> 00:59:50,596 Speaker 17: Like I love vocalists that. 867 00:59:52,276 --> 00:59:56,996 Speaker 16: They aren't necessarily doing every riff and run under the sun, 868 00:59:57,116 --> 01:00:01,836 Speaker 16: but they have a very distinct voice. Donnie Hathaway, his 869 01:00:01,996 --> 01:00:03,956 Speaker 16: voice can come on and you know just who that is, 870 01:00:04,316 --> 01:00:06,836 Speaker 16: there's no question, and he can stop time, he can 871 01:00:06,876 --> 01:00:09,916 Speaker 16: stop the room. Same for Nina Simone, lingud comes on, 872 01:00:10,516 --> 01:00:15,356 Speaker 16: everybody silent, you know, So like that type of grounded 873 01:00:15,476 --> 01:00:20,756 Speaker 16: vocal ability is rare but so powerful. Really inspired me 874 01:00:20,836 --> 01:00:23,636 Speaker 16: when I was like sixteen seventeen and just finding my 875 01:00:23,796 --> 01:00:28,716 Speaker 16: legs and then from there discovering more like current artists 876 01:00:28,916 --> 01:00:29,396 Speaker 16: and being like. 877 01:00:29,396 --> 01:00:32,036 Speaker 17: Wait, okay, I kind of like pop, okay, kind of 878 01:00:32,076 --> 01:00:33,276 Speaker 17: like rock that's cool. 879 01:00:33,116 --> 01:00:37,956 Speaker 16: Too, and then just taking what I like from each 880 01:00:37,996 --> 01:00:40,556 Speaker 16: of these, each of these artists, each of these genres, 881 01:00:40,556 --> 01:00:43,156 Speaker 16: and doing my best to, like you know, as any 882 01:00:43,236 --> 01:00:46,356 Speaker 16: artist does, doing your best to use it all to 883 01:00:46,556 --> 01:00:50,116 Speaker 16: make one one thing for yourself, one lane for yourself. 884 01:00:50,716 --> 01:00:53,076 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you guys do your song metamorphosis. 885 01:01:11,636 --> 01:01:18,436 Speaker 24: I've never had a decent answer to a single question 886 01:01:19,836 --> 01:01:27,156 Speaker 24: I don't say my oveniance to I'm already sacond guessing. 887 01:01:27,876 --> 01:01:31,676 Speaker 3: I can't take a man. The chance is I just 888 01:01:31,956 --> 01:01:42,596 Speaker 3: stick to ward the person I guess answer the first impressions. 889 01:01:47,796 --> 01:01:48,556 Speaker 15: I gat. 890 01:01:51,156 --> 01:02:04,116 Speaker 5: Give me a God, but I do to something ever 891 01:02:07,196 --> 01:02:13,276 Speaker 5: to be so much not now, I'm stuck. 892 01:02:15,156 --> 01:02:27,756 Speaker 3: On out of mis Sometimes I don't like myself and 893 01:02:28,316 --> 01:02:34,836 Speaker 3: I be someone else, someone people makes that dreams not 894 01:02:35,276 --> 01:02:40,916 Speaker 3: true and drinks from the way she us, someone that 895 01:02:41,396 --> 01:02:48,436 Speaker 3: thy going and never seen to fall list. 896 01:02:48,476 --> 01:02:54,196 Speaker 5: Sometimes I an't like myself and I be so much 897 01:02:54,556 --> 01:03:00,996 Speaker 5: use to get it out of God. 898 01:03:04,356 --> 01:03:17,356 Speaker 3: Perhaps it's a bit of hell to be so no short, 899 01:03:20,996 --> 01:03:22,356 Speaker 3: no suck. 900 01:03:24,356 --> 01:04:00,316 Speaker 5: A lot ca it the cord you can't see way 901 01:04:00,796 --> 01:04:06,556 Speaker 5: to look out on it? Things you do lo at rad. 902 01:04:06,956 --> 01:04:13,556 Speaker 3: Offices five and loud to get allow around. 903 01:04:13,636 --> 01:04:17,316 Speaker 5: A rock ship. He's in there on. 904 01:04:17,636 --> 01:04:23,116 Speaker 3: A say job because you have the faith. You're basking 905 01:04:23,356 --> 01:04:31,676 Speaker 3: in light alas ride come out grave a thousing, the breeziest, 906 01:04:32,476 --> 01:04:33,356 Speaker 3: the brud. 907 01:05:41,996 --> 01:05:49,676 Speaker 5: You don't confidence in joint. 908 01:05:50,716 --> 01:06:00,076 Speaker 3: Look God, oh thank you did look at the mais. 909 01:05:58,836 --> 01:06:07,676 Speaker 5: I found against the ship you say. 910 01:06:07,636 --> 01:06:27,516 Speaker 3: Ala stage because she phone me a great flouson prazu shay. 911 01:06:51,156 --> 01:06:53,036 Speaker 1: I was real scared. I was real scared to come 912 01:06:53,076 --> 01:06:57,316 Speaker 1: out this stuff. That was great, y'all. I want to 913 01:06:57,356 --> 01:07:02,876 Speaker 1: thank Infinity song Abraham Momo Angel Israel shredding the guitar 914 01:07:02,956 --> 01:07:06,116 Speaker 1: I was beautiful. I want to think Trybecca for having 915 01:07:06,196 --> 01:07:08,476 Speaker 1: broken the record here. It's wonderful live tape. And and 916 01:07:08,556 --> 01:07:11,836 Speaker 1: thank you guys for coming out and watching us up here. 917 01:07:11,876 --> 01:07:13,836 Speaker 1: It was great to have you guys, and hope to 918 01:07:13,876 --> 01:07:15,316 Speaker 1: do this again. Let us do it. 919 01:07:17,036 --> 01:07:17,316 Speaker 17: Thank you. 920 01:07:21,236 --> 01:07:23,676 Speaker 1: In episode description, you'll find a link to a playlist 921 01:07:23,716 --> 01:07:26,276 Speaker 1: of some of our favorite Infinity song tracks and also 922 01:07:26,436 --> 01:07:29,556 Speaker 1: some of our favorite soft rock songs. 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