1 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: Ron Ananian, and I think there's a fix for everything. 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: I think there's always a solution. There's always a way out. 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 1: You just haven't knocked on that door yet. You haven't. 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: You haven't ventured down that slippery slope to climb back 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: up the other side. I'm a mechanic. 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 2: I rolled up my speedy, getting with it. If it's 7 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 2: to damp and musty, burned out or read a little glc. 8 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: And don't panic, the car Doctor, is it that you 9 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: have extended crank? 10 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 3: Yeah? 11 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: Crank okay? So in other words, you turn the key 12 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: and it just cranks longer than normal. Yeah, I quite. 13 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 4: Welcome to the radio home of ron Ananian, the Car Doctor. 14 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 4: Since nineteen ninety one, this is where car owners the 15 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 4: world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. 16 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 4: If you're a mechanic, giving you a busy signal, pick 17 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 4: up the phone and call in. 18 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: The garage doors are opening, but I am here to 19 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: take their calls at eight five five five six oh ninety. 20 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 4: Nine hundred and nah pe. 21 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: Running, you need to change a tire? Or do you 22 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,639 Speaker 1: how many tires do you need to change? Because how often? 23 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: How many times in the course of a week a 24 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: day does a repair shop say it? And how many 25 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: people hear that? And I wonder what they do. We 26 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: had a new customer this week at the shop that 27 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: purchased or was looking to purchase. Well, I guess he 28 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 1: had already purchased it, a twenty twenty one Volkswagon, and 29 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: he brought it in and he said, hey, Ron, can 30 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: you look it over for me and tell me, if 31 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: you know, if it's everything that they said it was 32 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: going to be. He bought it under the Enterprise Rental 33 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: Car Fleet, you know, used car purchase program and you know, 34 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: should be told. I kind of cringe a little bit 35 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: at rental car purchase programs. Sometimes they're great, and you know, 36 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: it's then I again, I think about the stories of 37 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: how I see everybody drive a rental car. How do 38 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: you drive a rental car? Come on, let's face it, 39 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: who's gentle on them? Right? And then I see how 40 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: people drive and I, you know, but so I look. 41 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: I'm always cautious. I looked, and it wasn't I admit, 42 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: it wasn't a terrible car. It had a couple of 43 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: you know, bugaboos in it that I'm going to tell 44 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: you about that. You know, the whoever been changing the 45 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: oil didn't understand that if there were seven screws holding 46 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: the belly pan and you need to put it all 47 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: seven back in every time you change the oil. Because 48 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: the back of the belly pan was hanging down because 49 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 1: two of the screws were missing and one of them 50 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: was loose, I guess that was extra effort. So it 51 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: wasn't the day for extra effort the last time the 52 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: oil change was, you know, So for the guy who's 53 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: got those two extra screws sitting on his toolbox, I 54 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: found out where they go. And you know, the front 55 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: tires were different than the back tires and different how well. 56 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: The date code on the backs were date coded twenty twenty. 57 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: They were built I think the thirty fourth week of 58 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, which means they were original to the car. 59 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: They were now on the back of the vehicle, and 60 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: the front where the forty seventh week of twenty twenty one, 61 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two, something like that. They 62 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: were different, that's all I know. But they were also 63 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: different because the backs were black Hawk and the fronts 64 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: were Continental and you're not supposed to do that, all right, 65 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: you're not supposed to mix and match tire makes and models, Well, 66 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: definitely not makes. You know, models is a whole nother story, 67 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: you know, the industry and I don't know of any 68 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: vehicle manufacturer that says it's okay to mix tires on 69 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: a vehicle. And as vehicles get newer, right, if you're 70 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: driving a newer vehicle, you've got to think it's going 71 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: to have more of an effect, all right, with safety systems, 72 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: a dos antilog, brake, stability control, traction control, everything dependent 73 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: upon that contact patch of rubber on the ground from 74 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: that tire and the tires overall diameter. You know, tire's 75 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: size becomes more and more critical. And I said this 76 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: to her. I pointed it all out to him. I 77 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: explained it all to him, and he went back to Enterprise, 78 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: and I was a little surprised at their response. Matt 79 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: called me up and he explained to me that, you know, 80 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: there was nothing wrong with the tread depth of the tires, 81 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: because that was the other thing I flagged. See, I 82 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 1: measure tread depth because I think the industry is wrong, 83 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: and I'm going to tell you I think the whole 84 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: industry is wrong. They measure tread depth all the way 85 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: down the depth of the tire, But the usable tread 86 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: is only to the tread bar. There's a tread bar 87 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 1: in every tire made, and when that tread bar goes 88 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: flat across, that's it. The tires worn out. So how 89 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: deep the tread is to me doesn't really matter. I 90 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: want to know how deep it is to the treadbar 91 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: indicator if I'm buying a used car, if I'm purchasing 92 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: a vehicle with used tires on it. And in Rashim's case, 93 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: the one right rear tire had three thirty seconds or 94 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: four to thirty seconds the two fronts. The right front 95 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: was at three thirty seconds, massive chop, massive edgeware on 96 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: the inside edge. It was actually dry rotted, cracked in 97 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: a couple of places. And you know, early early stages, 98 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: but you know, it was enough of a problem that, hey, 99 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: you know, you need to put four matching tires on. 100 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: At least two. I'd prefer to see four, all right. 101 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: I'm not going to get into minutia, but bottom line, 102 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: the car was wrong, and Matt didn't understand that. I 103 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: went out to the internet. Thank god we have the internet, right, 104 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: The magic Google machine is Mark Mills always says, and 105 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: I just Google search, you know, replacing tires on my vehicle? 106 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: Do I need to change more than one? And JD. 107 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: Power wrote wrote an article at dustin Hawley actually back 108 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: in November of twenty two, so it's a little older, 109 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: but it's still applicable, very much applicable. And in it 110 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 1: he points out everything I understood it to be that, Yeah, 111 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: you can't really mix and match makes of tires. You 112 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: want the same tire on the car. You know, you're 113 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: worried about tread depth. Now he points out that four 114 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: to thirty seconds is time to start thinking about replacement. 115 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: But he's going four to thirty seconds to the bottom 116 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: of the tread. I flag them at two thirty seconds, 117 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: which is the tread bar, So two thirty seconds to 118 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: the treadbar, you toss the tire. And some high performance 119 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: vehicles BMW, Mercedes, you know some of the newer you know, 120 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: American Hot Rods, Corvette Charger, you get down lower than 121 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: four thirty seconds. Yeah, you're gonna change them there too. 122 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: You know, be cautious when you're purchasing a used vehicle. 123 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: All right, take a look at tires and always remember 124 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: that they put. For some reason, it seems like the 125 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: better tires go up front. I don't know. I don't 126 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: know where that came from. It's been like that for 127 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: as long as I can remember. Maybe because it's too 128 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: hard for people to see the back tires. Actually, who's 129 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: gonna get on their knees and stick their head under 130 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: the back of the car to see it the fronts. 131 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: All they have to do is turn the wheel left 132 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: or right and they can see how much tread depth 133 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: they've got, how the tires look. But look at tire sizes, 134 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: look at and I did, look at make and model 135 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: of tikire, Look at tread depth, look at date code. 136 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: The date code is written on the side of the tire. 137 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 1: You know, we tend to unless we have to do 138 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: it for a reason of rotation, we will mount tires 139 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: with the date code out. It makes it easier for 140 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: us to check it. It makes it easier for you 141 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: to check it. And I'd like to see tire shops 142 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: do that too as a point of consideration, to mount 143 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: date code out because you can just look at it, 144 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: give you the Julian week and the digits for the 145 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: year it was manufacturing. You can see how old the 146 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: tires are. Anything older than six I believe it's six years. 147 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: It's either six or seven. Admittedly I don't know that 148 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: off the top of my head, and you will toss 149 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: that tire becomes a problem with rubber. I think it's 150 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: seventy two months, so that's six years if I recall correctly. 151 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: So just just be aware tires. Tires are an issue, 152 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: and you know, it's a safety thing. And in the end, yeah, 153 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: just in case you want to know, Reshim, you sent 154 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: me a text in following day that they agree they're 155 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: going to make the tires. They're gonna put two tires 156 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: on it, make them all the same make and model, 157 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: and they're going to replace the wiper blades that I flagged, 158 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: and they're going to replace the two missing screws that 159 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: had fallen out of the belly pan magically fallen out 160 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: of the belly pan. And you know, listen, it's all details. 161 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: You know, this is a car that's being looked at 162 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: and appraised, and I always think about somebody's safety, all right. 163 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: Rashim's wife is a nurse. She's going to travel into 164 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: New York City on a daily basis, and you know, 165 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: she's got to be safe. She's got to come home 166 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: to those babies and their kids. And you know it's 167 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: it's that's what cars are about. Cars are about safety 168 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: and how safe can we make them? And how safe 169 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: is it? Is it all about, you know, Dustin Hawley, 170 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: Mister Holly wrote in his article, he said getting your 171 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: tires rotated regularly is important to prevent fast where and 172 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: rotation also ensures they wear evenly, and also to do 173 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: on a regular basis a tire pressure check, which I 174 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: agree with and by all means if you've got a 175 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 1: tire pressure monitoring a light on, just get it fixed. 176 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: You know, stop being a knucklehead. You know it's it's 177 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: there for a reason. You're you're defeating a safety system 178 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: on the vehicle that can notify you or whoever's driving 179 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: or anybody in the vehicle. Hey, tire pressure is low, 180 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: let's check it so. And there's no reason for tire 181 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: pressure lights to be on on modern day vehicles because 182 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: it affects them awful lot. Because again, if tire pressure 183 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: goes low and the system's overridden, to me, that's just 184 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: as important if you have a coolant temperature, an oil 185 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: pressure gauge that doesn't work, an oil pressure light that 186 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: doesn't work. You know when the vehicle is in a 187 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: duress condition, how will you know? And with the safety 188 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: systems on vehicles today, you want your tires inflated at 189 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: the proper level and you want them nice and even 190 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: in wearing well, So just food for thought. We're gonna 191 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: come back and open up the phone lines. The phone 192 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: number here is a five to five five six zero 193 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: nine nine zero Zero'm running any in the Car Doctor. 194 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: We'll return right after this. 195 00:09:55,000 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 5: Don't go away when. 196 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 3: You get keep Ron's number handy eight five five five 197 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 3: six zero nine nine zero zero for when you really 198 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 3: need advice on your car. 199 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 6: Here's Rob. 200 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: Hey, let's get over and talk to Xander in New 201 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: Jersey five Jeep Liberty. Xander, Welcome to the Car Doctor. 202 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: How can I help. 203 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 3: Hi? Yeah, I'm with the Wayne Valley Auto Program and 204 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:37,719 Speaker 3: we have this Jeep Liberty. It's a two thousand and 205 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 3: five and we have some problems with the two sensors. 206 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 3: I think it's been maybe a little around two years 207 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 3: now and we're still getting this check engine light. The 208 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 3: thing is is that the car are uns fine. There's 209 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 3: there's not really any problems with that. But we're trying 210 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 3: to get rid of the the light and we've tried, 211 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 3: we have identifix, and we tried all of those, uh 212 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 3: suggested fixes, but nothing really seems to work. 213 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: All right, So so so let's let's chat about it. Sure, 214 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: absolutely good. Listen, I'm glad you reached out. I you know, 215 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: I can't do enough to support the auto Autoshop programs. 216 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: Whoever's left in the country is still running them because 217 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: there's not a lot of you know, so what besides 218 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: just changing parts and following identifics, do you have any 219 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: of the test results that anybody did or that you 220 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: guys have done. 221 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, so we hooked it up to a scanner. I 222 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 3: have some voltage readings and I don't know exactly what 223 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 3: it is, but some fuel fuel ratios. Okay, so let's 224 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 3: let's let's let probably tell you those. 225 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk, and it's setting what two ninety two, 226 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: two zero ninety nine and two zero ninety eight. 227 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 3: To zero ninety six. The two zero ninety six I 228 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 3: think it is. We still have that. Uh. We tried 229 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 3: switching the sensors and the two oh nine to nine 230 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 3: ended up going away. Okay, so we're still left with 231 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 3: the two ninety six. 232 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: Okay, so you're chasing, you're chasing the p two zero 233 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: ninety six, all right, And yeah, you know when you 234 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 1: say you swap censors, which sensors are? You know how 235 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: to just swap them? 236 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 3: I I didn't do it myself. I think some other 237 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 3: guys from the program have done it. But I believe 238 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 3: it's the either the two sensors from the Bank one. 239 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure we're having problems with the Bank one sensors. Okay, 240 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 3: so I think we've they swapped those now now the 241 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 3: other code disappeared. 242 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: Now keep in mind, okay, you know two zero two 243 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 1: zero nine six, two zero nine eight, two zero nine nine, 244 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: all of these can be a headache. Now, the last 245 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,839 Speaker 1: go round we had with one of these, and we 246 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: verified this by part numbers. It was actually on an 247 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: eleven jeep and we were able to swap Bank two 248 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 1: censor one with Bank one sensor two. They crossed and 249 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 1: that helped this track. Was it two or bank of 250 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: the engine related? So when they when they swapped sensors, 251 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 1: I mean chances are they put them in the right 252 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: spot because the connectors wouldn't be correct. But just you 253 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: may want to review that to make sure if they 254 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: just randomly swapped them, are the sensors multipositional for that 255 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: year or do they require specifically replacement? All right, so 256 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: let's just let's just put that on the table. When 257 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: this engine cranks, when you go to crank this, does 258 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: it sound erratic at all? Does it sound like it's 259 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: cranking nice and smooth? Does it ever have moments where 260 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:02,599 Speaker 1: it cranks unevenly? 261 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 3: I've started a couple of times to bring it into 262 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 3: the shop, and every time I've never had problems. It 263 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 3: cranks pretty quickly and doesn't seem to sound wrong or 264 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 3: anything like that. 265 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: Because what in the shop do you guys have the 266 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: ability to do a compression test or a cylinder leaked 267 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: down test? 268 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 3: Compression tests sound familiar. I'm not one percent sure if 269 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 3: we can. I'm assuming we can cylinder so I don't 270 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 3: think we've done that. 271 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: So and I know this sounds strange, right, but you know, 272 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:47,479 Speaker 1: fuel trim and fuel balance is all about, you know, equality, 273 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: all right, And I've actually, I've actually had a couple 274 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: of jeeps where the valve seat in the head falls out, 275 00:14:55,840 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: rotates around, changes compression for that moment, eat thirty seconds, 276 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: forty seconds, the seat just kind of chatters around in 277 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: the head and all of a sudden you get the 278 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: light and then it goes away for a while and 279 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: it disappears. And I've learned from experience, I always look 280 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: at these. You know, I don't want you, guys, to 281 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: test for what's bad. I want you to test for 282 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: what's good. All right, So if you can do a 283 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: mechanical compression test, if you can do a cylinder leakdown test. 284 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: Have they talked about a cylinder leaked down test yet? 285 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 3: I don't think so enough that from what I can remember. 286 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: Okay, So let's chat. An engine has a cylinder, right, 287 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: piston comes up, valves are closed. It's a closed cylinder. 288 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: Right If we if we put one hundred pounds of 289 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: air pressure shop air into that cylinder and measure how 290 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: much air it holds. If the valves are closed and 291 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: the piston's closed. In theory, if we put one hundred 292 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: pounds in, how much air should we hold? One hundred 293 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: pounds should have the right we won't. But the accepted 294 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: number is it has to be ninety more. Anything less 295 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: than ninety pounds, that's a problem. Cylinder. And I can 296 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: then take that, I can then take mechanical engine integrity 297 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: off the list. So if you know, a compression test 298 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: is the second best thing to do, all right, And 299 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: I believe you're going to have to pull the intake 300 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: planum to do this because you can't get to the 301 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: I believe the driver's side, a cylinder head is covered 302 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: by the intake planum. 303 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of things are right, were difficult to 304 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 3: access it or at least when we're looking at it. 305 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: Right, So you know that's on the table to be considered. 306 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: Let's verify mechanical integrity. The other thing to think about. 307 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: Have you looked for exhaust leaks? And if you did, 308 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: how did you do it? 309 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 3: So exhaust leaks there, I'm I don't remember anything about 310 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 3: exhaustis we tested the two centers with the scanner. I 311 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 3: think we pumped some some pro pain. Sure if they're 312 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 3: picking it up. 313 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: Okay, what kind of scan? What kind of scanner do 314 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: you have? Xander? 315 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 3: It's it's a snap on. Ok I'm not exactly sure 316 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 3: which model. 317 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: All right, it's a it's a decent brand. Keep in mind, 318 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: right when when you're using a scan tool, you're looking 319 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: at buffered information all right, just just you know, if 320 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: you're going to embark on this career, I want to 321 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: I want to set you off right. Okay, you're you're 322 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: you're looking at buffered information. If you've got thirty thirty 323 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: censors up on the screen and you decide to graph 324 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: the O two's, it's going to be slow. It's not 325 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: going to be as fast as just doing the two 326 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: O twos by themselves. Sit tight, Xander, let me pull over, 327 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: take this pluge. When I come back, we'll continue. I'm 328 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: running any in the car doctor. We'll be back right 329 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 1: after this. 330 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 7: Don't go away the way. 331 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: Welcome back, running into the car doctor here at a 332 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: five five five six zero nine nine zero zero, Xander, 333 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 1: young man, you're still there, sir. Okay, so you know, 334 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: let's just cover. Let's just get mechanical integrity off the table, right, 335 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: simple enough to do. Tell me what's good, I'll tell 336 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: you what's bad. Let's let's eliminate compression. Let's let's just 337 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: get it out of the way, all right, that's number one. 338 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 1: If you can do it with a leaked down tester, greade. 339 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: If you have to do a mechanical compression test, that's 340 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: fine too, all right, and just be more aware as 341 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: you crank it. You know, if you want to, if 342 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: you want to understand what I'm looking for, pull one 343 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: spark plug, disable the fuel pump on anything. Pick an 344 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: easy engine, right and listen to it. Crank. You'll hear 345 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 1: the unevenness, all right. You'll hear how that that that 346 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: loss of compression on that one cylinder makes an engine 347 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: crank different than you normally would hear. All right, that's 348 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 1: that's a real mechanic. They can pick that out, all right, 349 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: And you know, let's let's if we're gonna if I'm 350 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna do this, I want to church you up right, 351 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: all right, kiddo, So let's let's be aware of mechanical 352 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: let's take a look at and and be aware of 353 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: fuel trim. Have we talked. We didn't talk about fuel 354 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: trim yet, right, you. 355 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 3: Mentioned it, And I was looking back on some information 356 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 3: that I wrote down, and I do have some some 357 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 3: data on the long and short term fuel trip. 358 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, what's what's what? 359 00:19:58,600 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 3: What? 360 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: What? What are my fuel trim number? A IDOL with 361 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: the engine warmed up. 362 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 3: Okay, so the long term futrim one is negative five 363 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 3: point five. The long term FUTUREM two is negative six, 364 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 3: the short term future in one is negative four, and 365 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 3: the short term fultum two is negative three. 366 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not bad. I mean it's running. It's running 367 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 1: a little rich at idol and that's okay. And then 368 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: when you're driving down the road, where does it go? 369 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 3: I don't I don't think we've tested that yet. We 370 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 3: just kind of had it going idle in the shop, okay. 371 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: And then and then yeah, I wonder if you got Yeah, 372 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: I guess maybe maybe they won't let you. I'm leaving 373 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: school to rotest the JEEPC in two days. 374 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 375 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I want you to google a word for me. Okay, 376 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: have you ever heard of the term volumetric efficiency? No, 377 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: so go look up volumetric just like it sounds v 378 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: O l U M E t R I C volume 379 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:03,959 Speaker 1: metric efficiency. Yeah, right now, all right, and you're gonna 380 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: find a procedure from a company called Automotive Training Group 381 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: or ATG. There's a bunch of there's a bunch of 382 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: volumetric efficiency VE calculators out there. I like, there's the best. 383 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: The way they explain it and they break it down. 384 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: They will show you how to do it and do 385 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: not do this test on the broken car, all right, 386 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 1: do us a favor. Get good at doing this test 387 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: on a good car, all right, A good car will 388 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: produce just like the chart says. You'll be in the 389 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: eighty five percent tile and up ninety percent tileing up. 390 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: What you're doing is, you know, breathe in real quick. 391 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: You're measuring the engine's ability to breathe in, how much 392 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: it takes in, and how what it does with it. 393 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: You're looking at its volumetric efficiency, the efficiency of the engine. 394 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: You can even do this before you do the mechanical 395 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: compression test if you want, because if you if you 396 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: do VE and it comes out bad, now, okay, maybe 397 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: we'll eliminate mechanical as a problem. But VE will tell 398 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: you a lot, all right. And the worst thing that 399 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: happens is it's a five minute road test with a 400 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 1: scan tool set up properly, and you know you're doing 401 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: something without getting yourself dirty. You're thinking, now, I just 402 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: want to go back. I don't care what scan tool 403 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 1: you have. I've got a snap On Triton. I've got 404 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: a snap On Zeus plus. You know they're good stuff. 405 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: I don't care whose it is. I've got an opus. 406 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: I've got an hotel, I've got a launch, I've got 407 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: you know, one of everybody and two of some people. 408 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: Whatever scan tool I'm using, I only want to bring 409 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: up the critical pieces of information that I'm looking to check. 410 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 1: I don't want to bring up everything, all right. It's 411 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: like when you start up your laptop or your home computer. 412 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 1: Try loading ten pages? What loads faster? Ten web pages? 413 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: Or five? Five? Right? 414 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 3: Yeah? Sure? 415 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: So when you load thirty pigs, thirty pieces of information, 416 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: it kind of slows down the computer, right, whereas if 417 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: you load five, it's zip and away we go. So 418 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 1: five is better. A labscope would be would be great, 419 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: but we can't go there. So I want to see ve. 420 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: I also want to see fuel, trim, wall, fidal. Where's 421 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 1: it going? All right? Are you familiar with the term 422 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: Are you familiar with the term? Mode six? 423 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 3: No? 424 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: No, all right, Google that don't do it now. Mode 425 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: six is history. What do you have for lunch yesterday? Say? Right, 426 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: that's mode six? Your mode six is you had a 427 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: burger yesterday? Mode six is is so the computer looks 428 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: at its data. It gathers it by doing self tests 429 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: on various systems and sensors. Mode six is the compilation 430 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: of that data and it stores it. It stores it 431 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: in its memory like you stored you had a burger 432 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 1: yesterday for lunch. All right, you can actually go through 433 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 1: and see what Mode six tests passed and what tests failed. 434 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: The ones that failed, are they related possibly to your 435 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 1: two zero nine six fault code. You're getting a you're 436 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: gonna get a video snapshot, a snapshot out of the 437 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: computer's memory of faults that occurred when that problem happened. 438 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: All right. You're also you're also gonna go You're also 439 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: gonna go back and look at freeze frame, which is 440 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: actually more closely related to when the fault code occurred. 441 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: Are you familiar with freeze frame? No? 442 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 2: Not? 443 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: All right? So freeze frame is as we're talking, bang, 444 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: it happened right there. That right there, it's going to 445 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 1: record and stay in the vehicle's memory and look at 446 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: it and say, hey, when it set to zero nine six, 447 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: you know this was out of kilter. Now you may 448 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 1: not see anything, and that's where mode six comes into play. 449 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: All right. Freeze frame is an instantaneous at the moment. 450 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 1: Mode six is a longer duration if you want to 451 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: think about it like that. All right, there's Xander. Xander. 452 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: Did we lose him? What happened? Hell, Xander, We're not 453 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: really sure. Let's pull over and take a take a pause, 454 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: and we'll try and re establish ourselves. I'm running any 455 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: of the card doctor. I'll be back right after this. 456 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 1: Welcome back running the car doctor. Xander. You're still there, kiddo. Right, 457 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: so let's review this real quick. So we want you 458 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: to go and look at fuel trim. We want you 459 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: to go and consider doing either mechanical compression or a 460 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: cylinder leak test, or what I really like you to 461 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: do is start with ve volumetric efficiency, all right. When 462 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: the fault code occurs, I want you to look and 463 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: learn a little bit about mode six and freeze frame 464 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 1: all right. Now, this is a this is a lean 465 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: fault code. Well, and you were having a lean and 466 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 1: a rich condition there. So that's why I'm curious to 467 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: see where ve or mechanical conditions of the engine come out. 468 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: So you know, ideally we'd like to see, you know, 469 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: when the fault occurs, does it show us anything in 470 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: the way of fueltrium actually being off? And that's that's 471 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: why I'm having you look there, all right. And then 472 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: when you do this with your scan tool. You know 473 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: you don't need to put thirty PIDs up. You want 474 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: to just keep it four or five? What are you chasing? 475 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 1: What are you really looking for? 476 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 5: All right? 477 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: I don't have to tell you. I'm sure you know. 478 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: I'm always concerned about parts, parts being accurate, the fact 479 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: that this isn't a shop program. And you guys could 480 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: be the best thirty kids in the whole world, best 481 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: thirty mechanics in the whole world. You know who put 482 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: the who put the soul in the soup? 483 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 5: Right? 484 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,919 Speaker 1: Do we have the mismatched part? Do we have do 485 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: we have a part in the wrong place? Do we 486 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 1: have a poor quality part? Where the parts come from? 487 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 1: So that's all part of this conversation. Also, I want 488 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: to mention you're aware there's there's a couple of reflashes. 489 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: Has this computer been reflashed yet? 490 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 3: You mean getting the code? 491 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 1: No software updates. 492 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 3: The computer for the car or the. 493 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 1: Car, the computer for the car, the computer for the car. 494 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 3: The car. I'm not sure. All right? 495 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: So you want to go back and look at bulletins. 496 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 1: I know that I know there's at least one, and 497 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: I think there's two for oh five where they talk 498 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: about reflashing the p CM, so they're actually going to 499 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 1: put a software update in. It's just like your Apple 500 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: phone gets just like your Apple computer or your laptop 501 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: if you're running Windows. All right, there are software updates 502 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: available for this particular problem. If you go search, what 503 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 1: do you have in the shop besides identifics? Do you 504 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: have all data? Do you have Mitchell, what do you 505 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: have anything? 506 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 3: I think last year, for a while we have all data. 507 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 3: But now we've gone back to identifics. I don't think 508 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 3: we have that. 509 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: The info, the info will be an identifix, all right, 510 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: But keep in mind identifix isn't you know, being a mechanic. 511 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,199 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna leave it here for us, all right, 512 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: because I've got to move on. But you know, being 513 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: a mechanic isn't looking for the silver bullet. It's it's 514 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: it's it's thinking. It's a thought process. It's it's how 515 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 1: would I attack this? 516 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:36,719 Speaker 3: Yeah? 517 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: All right? You know it may look easy here on radio, 518 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: but there's a lot of times where I'll sit down 519 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: and I'll take a cup of coffee or a cup 520 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: of tea. I'm actually a tea drink or coffee winds 521 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: me up if you can believe that, and I'll sit 522 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: for a half hour forty five minutes and do my research. 523 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: There's no shame in research, all right. Everybody does it, 524 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: all right, including Einstein, and I think he was probably 525 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,479 Speaker 1: smarter than most of us. So all right, So you've 526 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: got a couple of things to do when you find out, 527 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: and you you know, when you've got more questions, you 528 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: know where to find me, a right, kiddo. 529 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 3: Of course, thank you for your time. 530 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: You're very welcome. Be well, and my best everybody out there, 531 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: and I hope the program continues. Let's go over to 532 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,239 Speaker 1: sid in Maine. Waiting very patiently said thank you for 533 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: your patience, sir. 534 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 6: How can I help, yes, sir, Oil consumption problem on 535 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 6: twenty twenty one, f one fifty three point five Eco boost. Okay, 536 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 6: it's it has used a cought every two thousands since 537 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 6: new in that it now has fifty thousand on it. 538 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 6: I finally convinced the dealer to test it. They've wanted 539 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 6: to do a diye test all the way along, but 540 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 6: it made no sense to me because it doesn't leak. Right, 541 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 6: So at forty eight thousand, I get a hold of 542 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 6: a guy at the dealership who got a hold of 543 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 6: somebody at Ford and they're now doing a consumption test 544 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 6: in that I come in every thousand. 545 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: Miles and they measure the nates, right, they. 546 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 6: Check it right at this time, at thirteen after the 547 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 6: last oil change, at thirteen hundred miles, I was in 548 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 6: for something else. They had to add a quart. 549 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: Of oil, right, you know, and what they tell you 550 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: that's normal? 551 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 6: No, not yet, not yet. They want to keep going 552 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 6: every thousand miles and I'll go in the end the 553 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 6: next week or whatever for my next one. But uh no, 554 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 6: I'm kind of wondering. I've heard of other makes that 555 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 6: do that, that tell you to live with it, and 556 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 6: that guy, I don't know what what Ford does. 557 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: My initial reaction was, don't tell Ford it's every two thousand. 558 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: They'll think it's broken, because my understanding is yet a 559 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: thousand a quart every thousand is not uncommon on some 560 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: of these. Now, you know, you've got to do due diligence. 561 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: So they've got to do due diligence regardless. You know, 562 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: we've got to look and consider is this a is 563 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: this related to a turbo problem? Is the turbo somehow 564 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: drawing oil and creating a problem and burning it and 565 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: you'll never see it. You'll never see blue smoke out 566 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: the tailpipe. So don't don't expect to not not in 567 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: this day and age, with catalytic converters being what they are, 568 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: Does this have a could this have a PCV? A 569 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: crank case vent problem? So there are mechanical things that 570 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: can be diagnosed. What Ford is doing is they are 571 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: going through their what I call their culture of repair diagnosis. 572 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: They're going step, They're going step by step to get 573 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: the information they need, no different than a doctor or 574 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: anybody else. And it may come back to if it's 575 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: if it's a court every thirteen hundred, it's gonna get worse, 576 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: see and and and and regardless if Ford says, hey, 577 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: that's normal, because a lot of the car companies say hey, 578 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: that's normal, that's acceptable. Now all right, my whole concern 579 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: is that oil is going out the exhaust, right. 580 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 6: Said, Well, that brings us to the next point, right 581 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 6: about the got to get an engine lights check right 582 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 6: after that? 583 00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: For what what you'll yeah, okay, day now now the 584 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: catalytic converters are coded. 585 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 6: Well this is this is you know what my thoughts were, 586 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 6: But so anyway, They opened up the parameters and sent 587 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 6: me on my way. The light came on again. The 588 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 6: next day I went back in, they checked it again, came 589 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 6: up the same code. Followed through with Fords uh tutelage, 590 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 6: and decided they needed to change the high pressure fuel 591 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 6: sensor right on the fuel real. 592 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what said. Sit tight. Let me pull over. 593 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: Take this poise. When I come back, we'll finish up. 594 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: I'm running aiding the car doctor. We'll return right after this. 595 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: Don't go away, welcome back. I'm running the car Doctor here, 596 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 1: Sid you're still there, sir, Yes, sir. 597 00:32:52,880 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 8: So they changed the high pressure fuel sensor right, sent 598 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 8: me on my way, and in seventy miles light came 599 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 8: on again. 600 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 3: Right. 601 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: I don't see a relation between a high pressure fuel 602 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: sensor and a zero four twenty or four thirty. 603 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 6: I don't either, But you know it's their a game now, 604 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 6: particularly because it's on the warranty. 605 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: Well, have have you called Ford yet? Ford Corporate? No, 606 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: it's time, It's time, Okay they will you know again, 607 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: the whole culture of a repair that a company mandates 608 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: and puts down, they they you would you would actually, 609 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: in my opinion based on the experiences I've had, you 610 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: would actually be helping the dealer by leaning on Ford 611 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: a little bit, maybe a lot. 612 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 6: Yes, they seemed the deal seems to be. 613 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:47,239 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, right, exactly. You know, it's it's funny when 614 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: I had the problems with my wife's explorer, once I 615 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: got on the phone, the whole picture changed, and you know, 616 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: the world, the world seems to come you know, the 617 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,120 Speaker 1: whole picture came together. Now I will caution you. Are 618 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: you under extended warranty or are you still under drive 619 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: train warranty? 620 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 6: With the still under public training warranty? 621 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: All right, yeah, because the world is going to change 622 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: when it runs out if you don't have extended and 623 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: you have to stick to your guns. Look, you know, 624 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: document everything, keep all your paperwork. This problem started under 625 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: your watch, not mine, because this is this is only 626 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: going to get worse, and in my right, in my opinion, 627 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: accord every two thousand is nonsense. If we're trying to 628 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: clean up the air and make better vehicles, a court 629 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,879 Speaker 1: every two thousand is nonsense. But you know, one step 630 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: at a time, do me a favor when they when 631 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: you get finally get anywhere with them, and after they 632 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 1: solve the four twenty and the four thirty, and it's 633 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: probably going to be the will replaced catalytic converters. There's 634 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: probably going to be a software update first, and then 635 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,359 Speaker 1: they're going to bring you back and do cats. Let 636 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: me know where the oil consumption goes. I'm curious because 637 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 1: I'm starting to hear more rumblings about these vehicles using oil. 638 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: Good luck said, keep us posted. I'm running ady in 639 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: the card doctor, reminding you good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. 640 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 9: See you, She 641 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: Sh