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Speaker 5: It is Wednesday, November thirteenth, twenty twenty four, Season twenty,
Speaker 5: episode number sixty seven.
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Speaker 2: Really good.
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Speaker 4: We all woke up and we're all healthy and it's
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Speaker 2: Right, all right.
Speaker 5: We got a lot of stuff're gonna talk about today. We're
Speaker 5: gonna talk about it. We're gonna introduce the the Houston Texans. Uh,
Speaker 5: we will start with their offense and how they match
Speaker 5: up against this Dallas defense.
Speaker 4: I want to start first with just kind of.
Speaker 5: A general overview of this team because it's an uncommon
Speaker 5: opponent opponent for.
Speaker 4: The Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 5: I was looking at it's just some of the basic
Speaker 5: information around. There's six and four obviously. Uh, they're are
Speaker 5: first place in first place in the AFC South. They're
Speaker 5: coach by Demico Ryans, who is a For those that
Speaker 5: don't know, he is a defensive coach. Came from San Francisco,
Speaker 5: was a defensive coordinator there and the last season he
Speaker 5: was with San Francisco at the number one ranked defense
Speaker 5: in the NFL. This year they also have the number
Speaker 5: three ranked defense in the NFL with the Houston Texas
Speaker 5: in only his second.
Speaker 4: Year with that team.
Speaker 5: As I want to go around the table, tell me
Speaker 5: what you think is the thing that you that stands
Speaker 5: out to most to you you as you look at
Speaker 5: this team.
Speaker 4: It can be offense or defense.
Speaker 5: Just as you look at this Houston Texans team, what
Speaker 5: do you think stands out the most to you that
Speaker 5: you would character like if you.
Speaker 4: Had to describe them, how would you describe.
Speaker 7: This Texans team, talented youth. This is gonna be a
Speaker 7: team that's gonna be around a really long time. And
Speaker 7: I guess this is more so a big picture rather
Speaker 7: than this game specifically. But you look on both sides
Speaker 7: of the ball, and they have talented players who are
Speaker 7: young on rookie contracts, who are already taken the league
Speaker 7: by storm. You can start with c. J. Stroud, He's
Speaker 7: developed a weapon in Tank Dell early on. You have
Speaker 7: Will Anderson on the other side of the ball, Jayalen
Speaker 7: pe Tree on the other side of the ball, and
Speaker 7: they've they've paired these guys with veterans and Stefan Diggs
Speaker 7: on the offensive side. Obviously he tours a cl so
Speaker 7: it's a little bit different, but Nico Collins as well,
Speaker 7: Robert Woods is still a veteran presence in that locker room.
Speaker 7: You look on the defensive side, you got Danil Hunter
Speaker 7: who's been able to contribute from a pass rush perspective,
Speaker 7: as ciz Al Shaier from the linebacking corps.
Speaker 8: There, they did a really good job.
Speaker 4: A lot of names. Yeah, that's a lot of talented players.
Speaker 7: They did a really good job over the off season
Speaker 7: of pairing veterans with some of these young guys to
Speaker 7: kind of close in that I guess knowledge gap that
Speaker 7: I think at times kind of hindered them last year.
Speaker 7: I think they're still figuring things out, and we'll talk
Speaker 7: about it today and tomorrow, but overall, you can see
Speaker 7: the veteran presence starting to kind of trickle down throughout
Speaker 7: these young guys. They're trying to maximize the rookie contract
Speaker 7: of c. J. Stroud and Will Anderson. I think they're
Speaker 7: doing a great job of it.
Speaker 2: They were a bad team at one time this year
Speaker 2: are just no. No. At one time before one time,
Speaker 2: once before Ryan's got there, they were kind of they
Speaker 2: were a bad team, and they took advantage of people
Speaker 2: needing players. They took advantage of being at the right position,
Speaker 2: placed perfectly in a draft to be able to get picks.
Speaker 2: And as you get picks, to Nick's point, you draft
Speaker 2: and you get young players, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: young players too. They've hit on, have done a really,
Speaker 2: really nice job, and now their team's better. They've done
Speaker 2: a good job with the free agency. It's puzzling to
Speaker 2: me how they've allowed their offensive line to be what
Speaker 2: it is though, and we'll get into that today. If
Speaker 2: there's going to be something that's going to hold them
Speaker 2: back from being maybe really one of those upper echelon teams,
Speaker 2: they better figure out their offensive line because they could
Speaker 2: be wasting some opportunities. With their young quarterback Joe Mixon,
Speaker 2: we'll talk about him. He's been a great addition for them.
Speaker 2: But for all the talented stuff that they have on
Speaker 2: defense and all the talent they have at skill position
Speaker 2: at wide receiver, their offensive line could be their downfall
Speaker 2: going forward as they get into the playoffs and or
Speaker 2: try and win the NFC the AFC South. Excuse me, they.
Speaker 6: Are a talented team there.
Speaker 9: And before we started the show, I was sitting here,
Speaker 9: I'm like, I don't care about this counting report. I
Speaker 9: don't want to hear about it. It's you know, I
Speaker 9: don't care about any other teams at this point. But
Speaker 9: you start looking at them and you got to appreciate
Speaker 9: some of the that they do have in general, and
Speaker 9: also looking at how they've gone through the season. They
Speaker 9: don't tend to score a ton of points, like, they
Speaker 9: don't go into games where they completely dominate uh the
Speaker 9: opposing team, and it just leads me again, my silly.
Speaker 6: Me where I always.
Speaker 9: Think there is a chance not you know, just for
Speaker 9: this weekend two where maybe, just maybe if Cowboys found
Speaker 9: the offense finds a way to start scoring some points.
Speaker 6: It is a.
Speaker 9: Matchup where I think they could potentially put up a
Speaker 9: decent battle and come out with the win this weekend.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I have a feeling that we're going to get
Speaker 2: to their defense tomorrow and it's gonna be or it's
Speaker 2: gonna be Brian's gonna be over going. I can't believe
Speaker 2: that they drafted as many great players as the defense. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that's that's gonna be the rub. And you know,
Speaker 2: can Dallas. I think Dallas defensively could do some really
Speaker 2: good things against this offense. I think think they can
Speaker 2: depending on what happens at left corner. But again, we'll
Speaker 2: get into all this stuff. I just feel like, though,
Speaker 2: when we sit down and say, okay, well, where where's
Speaker 2: their real big advent, their real big advantage, that's their
Speaker 2: defense over Dallas's offense, especially when you don't have your quarterback,
Speaker 2: you know, and then you have questions along the offensive
Speaker 2: line and you know, what kind of routes are you
Speaker 2: gonna run in this game? Are even gonna be able
Speaker 2: to get open much, you know, with the way that
Speaker 2: they play, So you know that's that's.
Speaker 9: Gonna be the stars aligned correctly. Oh on a seven
Speaker 9: fifteen pm game, there's always a chance the moon, you
Speaker 9: know perfectly?
Speaker 2: Can I go ahead?
Speaker 8: Better time?
Speaker 6: You got better chances at nighttime?
Speaker 2: I ask you who you're gonna pick on Friday.
Speaker 4: But you know that's the interesting part.
Speaker 5: I think after the point is, after you listen to
Speaker 5: the show today, you're gonna walk away being like, maybe
Speaker 5: there's a chance, No, there is, And then you're gonna
Speaker 5: listen to Mark, You're gonna be like, no, because that's
Speaker 5: the way this team is.
Speaker 2: No, it's the way it is. And you to me,
Speaker 2: you're you're So it's such a struggle on offense. You know,
Speaker 2: if you had your offense kind of humming along, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: you probably wouldn't be three and six either, you know,
Speaker 2: you would be you'd be much better. You might be
Speaker 2: like these guys six and four or something like that.
Speaker 2: But you're not. You're you're you know this is going
Speaker 2: to be tough. I know, Nick, and I going to
Speaker 2: tell you today there are ways to take advantage of
Speaker 2: this offensive line if if, if you could keep them
Speaker 2: from running the football. And we last week you played
Speaker 2: against I think you played against a better back last week.
Speaker 2: You know with Sakuon Barkley. Joe Joe Mixon's good player,
Speaker 2: get me wrong, but man, you you find a way
Speaker 2: to control the running, you have a chance on defense
Speaker 2: this week. It's it's you know, it's it's the offense.
Speaker 2: It might be the might be your downfall there.
Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you this.
Speaker 5: As I look at the Houston Texans organization and Brian,
Speaker 5: you said it a little earlier where you said they
Speaker 5: once were a bad team. There wasn't even just a
Speaker 5: bad they were a bad organization. They had all kinds
Speaker 5: of problems that went all throughout the organization.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: And that wasn't that long ago, what five years ago?
Speaker 2: It was a bad way.
Speaker 4: It was in a bad way.
Speaker 5: They had a quarterback in Deshaun Watson who they essentially
Speaker 5: needed to get rid of because of all the off
Speaker 5: work and but but the point is you look at that,
Speaker 5: and you look at what they were able to do
Speaker 5: in again a relatively short period of time to turn
Speaker 5: it around to be where they are now. It just
Speaker 5: tells you the fickle nature of the NFL. Right, things
Speaker 5: can flip pretty quickly in the NFL if you can
Speaker 5: make the right moves at the right time. And so
Speaker 5: that part, I'm like, hats off to them because I
Speaker 5: thought it was gonna take a lot longer than this
Speaker 5: for them to get back into this kind of position
Speaker 5: where they they are a contender.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nick Sirianni, who's the general manager there. Nick was
Speaker 2: about to get fired, I mean him, Bill O'Brien, all
Speaker 2: those guys, I mean, they love you Smith. They were
Speaker 2: they were really not a very good football team, and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden they changed the coach that worked.
Speaker 2: They went out, you know, Nick, all of a sudden
Speaker 2: they hit on a couple of drafts that got them
Speaker 2: back a quarterback. They got a quarterback. They you know,
Speaker 2: everybody was kind of like Levey Smith. If you remember
Speaker 2: that year, Levey Smith wins the last game of the
Speaker 2: year against the Colts and everybody's like going, what the
Speaker 2: hell are you doing? And then up put the second
Speaker 2: overall pick, and then they end up drafting, you know,
Speaker 2: Carolina gets the first pick, and then they you know,
Speaker 2: they they take Bryce Young, the Texans take CJ. Stroud,
Speaker 2: Somewhere Levey Smith right now is probably laughing sitting on
Speaker 2: a boat, and can you believe I did that? Won
Speaker 2: the last game. Everybody's pissed off at me, and then
Speaker 2: they got Yeah, I mean he actually left him in
Speaker 2: a better place. So they they've been really fortunate with that.
Speaker 2: They do a really good job in free agency too.
Speaker 2: You know, they go out, they have a good blend,
Speaker 2: they have the right coach, they have the right draft,
Speaker 2: and they have a blend with some free agents that
Speaker 2: they've gotten and that's made their team much better.
Speaker 7: Yeah, this is a lot of credits to their front office,
Speaker 7: Nick Casario and those guys. I think with Demico Ryans
Speaker 7: as an influence as well, you can start to see
Speaker 7: that influence trickle down. I think you saw in his
Speaker 7: very first draft going out and getting Will Anderson and
Speaker 7: then developing Jalen Petrie over these last couple of years,
Speaker 7: and hey, I need a linebacker, let's go get sez
Speaker 7: Al Shaire. I just think they've done such a good
Speaker 7: job constructing this team top to bottom. It's going to
Speaker 7: be a team that's gonna be around a really long time.
Speaker 7: I do believe that.
Speaker 5: All Right, we're gonna take our first break when we
Speaker 5: come back, We're going to dive into the Houston offense.
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Speaker 5: let's dive into this Houston offense right now. They are
Speaker 5: ranked fifteenth across the league. They are fifteenth and passing,
Speaker 5: eighteenth and rushing offense. Let's start first with Nico Collins.
Speaker 5: How much does how is how much is him being
Speaker 5: out because he just got back last week, he'd been
Speaker 5: out for several weeks. How much is him being out
Speaker 5: affected this offense and their ability to be able to
Speaker 5: move the ball.
Speaker 7: I think there's a couple of things here that I
Speaker 7: think he'll be able to integrate back into and it'll
Speaker 7: help this offense. I'm going to start away from the
Speaker 7: receiving game. They love to run Joe Mixon outside, and
Speaker 7: it felt like in the beginning whenever or Nico was
Speaker 7: out that they were having some trouble finding some running
Speaker 7: lanes on the pure outside, trying to find the sideline
Speaker 7: and ride the sideline.
Speaker 8: His Mixon loves to do that.
Speaker 7: Nico's a great blocker and he's able to get out
Speaker 7: in front and pave those ways for mixing. Now that's
Speaker 7: the run game, the passing game, specifically, Nico's that downfield
Speaker 7: threat and whenever they lost him, They lost to Von Diggs.
Speaker 8: It made life difficult for CJ.
Speaker 7: Stroud because he's having to turn to a guy like
Speaker 7: Tank Dell, who Tank is a good receiver. It was
Speaker 7: somebody I really liked coming out of Houston a couple
Speaker 7: of years ago, but I don't necessarily see him as
Speaker 7: somebody who could fight off coverage get open downfield. I
Speaker 7: like him in the ten to twenty range, so I
Speaker 7: think it gives them that downfield presence a little bit more.
Speaker 7: Nico's a little bit more physical. He's a crisprout runner.
Speaker 7: I wouldn't say he's the crispist, but he's a crisprout runner.
Speaker 7: I think he can make things difficult for this secondary overall.
Speaker 7: And we might get into this a little bit more
Speaker 7: here in a bit. But Bobby Slowick, they're off it'sive coordinator.
Speaker 7: His route concepts make the life really difficult for the secondary,
Speaker 7: specifically in the safeties. I will run double routes right
Speaker 7: on top of each other, and they will force that
Speaker 7: safety to make a split decision, and if you make
Speaker 7: the wrong one, Stroud is going to identify it. And
Speaker 7: he's one of the most accurate guys in the entire NFL.
Speaker 7: Nico Collins does such a good job of being able
Speaker 7: to get everybody in line, make sure everybody has the
Speaker 7: right assignment, right route, and he does a really good
Speaker 7: job of managing that and exploiting those safeties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got it. With Collins, you got a big
Speaker 2: body guy. It's a six four to two hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty pounds guy. So that makes it very difficult because
Speaker 2: some of his best routes, if you go back and
Speaker 2: watch him, the slants, he cannot. I mean, he is
Speaker 2: hard to defend when he's running the run to the
Speaker 2: those to him, you know, his downfield stuff. I mean,
Speaker 2: all these guys have the ability to get downfield. The thing,
Speaker 2: the funny thing about it is some of the of
Speaker 2: Stroud's downfield passes have resulted in interceptions when they've tried
Speaker 2: to kind of attack that. The thing with Tank Dell though,
Speaker 2: playing and when you look at Dell, Colin's the bigger guy, Dell,
Speaker 2: the smaller guy, Dell the quicker guy. If I kept
Speaker 2: watching him, and it was like polation after completion after
Speaker 2: completion on the crossing routes, you know, the stuff underneath,
Speaker 2: and I was, you know, I was sitting there thinking, man,
Speaker 2: that that is a lot of them. And I went
Speaker 2: and checked on there ten for ten on crossing routes
Speaker 2: with Tank Dell. You know, so here you talk about
Speaker 2: putting pressure on what's the one thing we feel like
Speaker 2: the Dallas maybe has gotten a little bit better. You know,
Speaker 2: we always worry about the safety play with the crossing
Speaker 2: routes or having to carry guys inside, you know. And
Speaker 2: and here's Dell and and they haven't missed the pass
Speaker 2: yet on the outside. We'll see what Like I say
Speaker 2: with Collins, you know, dealing with the hamstring injury and
Speaker 2: all that. I mean that this this will be a
Speaker 2: this will be a really really good test, uh for
Speaker 2: this secondary. And you mentioned also about mixing running the ball.
Speaker 2: He's clearly better running the ball to one side than
Speaker 2: the other, you know. I I just isolated runs and
Speaker 2: I and I was watching left outside, left outside, left outside,
Speaker 2: right outside not so good.
Speaker 4: So if you're down because of the blocking or is
Speaker 4: that because of I think.
Speaker 2: I think Nick has a really really good point. You're
Speaker 2: also luaring me Tunsils over there, Yeah, you know kind
Speaker 2: of helps. Let me tell you Schultz is Schultz is
Speaker 2: about like what he was here. I mean, the thing
Speaker 2: you want to get Schultz in is pass blocking, because
Speaker 2: neither one of these these these tight ends that they
Speaker 2: stay in and block, they're likely likely to give up
Speaker 2: a pressure or a sack. They're that bad at it
Speaker 2: right now. But everything to the left. When you when
Speaker 2: you watch Joe Mixon outside outside, outside, but it's all
Speaker 2: coming to the defense's right side. So how you play
Speaker 2: over there, that's going to Diggs direction too. That ball
Speaker 2: is going to bounce outside, that's Digs. He's going to
Speaker 2: have to play safety's down, linebacker's over. Everybody's going to
Speaker 2: have to rally over there. But you know, how you
Speaker 2: play off the edge off that right side will be
Speaker 2: a big key in this game trying to stop this run.
Speaker 2: It's another team too. If you go and look at
Speaker 2: the metrics of it light box as opposed to the
Speaker 2: eight man boxes and stuff like that. They've had some
Speaker 2: problems mixing's had some problems running against stack boxes with
Speaker 2: eight or more down there. You know, maybe Dallas has
Speaker 2: found a little bit of something with their with their
Speaker 2: you know, eight man game, like from last week when
Speaker 2: they're when they were dealing with Barkley.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Joe Mixon is averaging four point three yards
Speaker 5: per attempt and ninety three point six yards per game.
Speaker 5: Obviously really good at what he does. One of the
Speaker 5: things that I've I've noticed about him he is a
Speaker 5: very physical runner. Yeah, do you think this is a
Speaker 5: bad matchup for Dallas from the standpoint that he is
Speaker 5: more in the ilk of a Derrick Henry, a guy
Speaker 5: that that that really can be physical.
Speaker 16: Uh.
Speaker 5: But at the same time, Dallas, one of their achilles
Speaker 5: heels has been that they haven't always been able to
Speaker 5: tackle well. And do you think from that standpoint that
Speaker 5: this is just a bad matchup for Dallas.
Speaker 7: I mean, I was watching Joe Mixon run Sunday night,
Speaker 7: watching back a couple of games.
Speaker 8: I think this is gonna be a tough matchup for them.
Speaker 7: It's it's still a team that is trying to figure
Speaker 7: out how to tackle and bring down guys, and this
Speaker 7: is a guy you can't do that against it.
Speaker 8: He's he's gonna fight on those arm tackles.
Speaker 7: You need to get a chest on on Joe Mixon,
Speaker 7: And with how much they run him outside, yeahs out
Speaker 7: of ten, you're gonna have to be making that play
Speaker 7: one on one And so you're you're really relying on
Speaker 7: guys like Moli Cooker, Donovan Wilson to step up, Eric
Speaker 7: Kendricks to step up and make those one on one tackles.
Speaker 7: We saw each of those guys miss some critical tackles
Speaker 7: in that game against Philadelphia throughout the season.
Speaker 2: Where this is going to come down though, with with
Speaker 2: mixing is if the ball is going to go to
Speaker 2: the outside. Now we've seen with overshown his ability to
Speaker 2: shoot gaps.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 2: These guards and we'll get into this offensive line because
Speaker 2: I they have some some of the similar problems that
Speaker 2: Dallas has when it comes to pass blocking, and they
Speaker 2: don't handle twist stunts all that well. And it really
Speaker 2: happens at the guard at the guard spot there. They
Speaker 2: they have they have struggled with offensive lines are defensive
Speaker 2: lines that have moved on them. And you watch that.
Speaker 2: You go back and watch the Packers game. Double a
Speaker 2: gap look down in and a twist from a double
Speaker 2: A gap. What did Dallas had? What three? They got
Speaker 2: three sacks from the double a gap blitz look where
Speaker 2: they walk those guys up in the A gap and
Speaker 2: then drop one or drop two, bring one that Texans
Speaker 2: did not handle that at all against green Bay. Green
Speaker 2: Bay did it several times, a lot of pressure on Stroud.
Speaker 2: He wasn't able to kind of navigate that. So if
Speaker 2: you could find a way, like I say, run throughs,
Speaker 2: run throughs against these guards. If they're gonna try and
Speaker 2: it's trying to stretch you, run throughs you knowing that
Speaker 2: that ball is probably going to come to your right side,
Speaker 2: just be ready to come flying downhill on it and
Speaker 2: make those plays if you can't get him in the backfield.
Speaker 2: He's had some negative runs, you know, if you look
Speaker 2: so they call him stuffed runs. He's had some stuffed runs,
Speaker 2: especially going to that right like I was talking about,
Speaker 2: because I kept seeing everything like he's going to left,
Speaker 2: going to the left, going to the left, everything going to
Speaker 2: the right was a little bit more difficult. But that's
Speaker 2: teams got after them, like being able to win at
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage. Dallas is gonna have to do
Speaker 2: the same thing if they're gonna want to get this
Speaker 2: ky on the ground.
Speaker 6: Me a ball to be positive here, but so not
Speaker 6: me being positive.
Speaker 9: But although it's for true what you just said about,
Speaker 9: we've seen this defense, the Cowboys defense struggle all year long.
Speaker 9: Against physical players, physical runners. I think what they showed
Speaker 9: last week gives you gives you hope and a little
Speaker 9: more positive positivity going into this game because you did
Speaker 9: see a Dallas defense being more aggressive, being you know,
Speaker 9: playing in that way. With Micah's return, I think it
Speaker 9: helps a lot what happens there with Mica Now with
Speaker 9: what overshown showed as well, it's a trigger effect where
Speaker 9: everybody else around around you starts playing a little bit
Speaker 9: better at higher level. Yeah, it's definitely gonna be a challenge,
Speaker 9: but at least we saw a little sign of hope
Speaker 9: there too, where maybe this is a game where starting
Speaker 9: off they can compete a little bit.
Speaker 2: They played against the better offensive line last week and
Speaker 2: held their own in the run game, yep, my opinion.
Speaker 4: Ye, when they give sixty six yards to say.
Speaker 2: On the running quarterback was a problem. You know, that
Speaker 2: was the ability to you know, they pin guys they've
Speaker 2: got when Dallas plays, When Dallas plays out of position,
Speaker 2: Dallas gives up huge place. You can see it, four
Speaker 2: guys covering three. Nett leaves the quarterback a wide open
Speaker 2: run for twenty something yards.
Speaker 6: He strout is he he can run?
Speaker 2: Yeah? But the thing about is this guy will run
Speaker 2: into some sacks. Yeah, he will like go back and
Speaker 2: like his eyes are downfield and he will just start
Speaker 2: to move and it's like he doesn't feel the defender
Speaker 2: right there.
Speaker 7: I'll give him credit, though, because he moves around in
Speaker 7: the pocket way more than some young quarterbacks, right. And
Speaker 7: I think that that's just coming with the sophomore slump
Speaker 7: aspect of it, because I think there's a lot to
Speaker 7: talk about with c. J.
Speaker 8: Stroud. I think it's an interesting case study this year specifically.
Speaker 7: But he moves around in that pocket so much, even
Speaker 7: sometimes when there's not pressure.
Speaker 8: So I'll give you that.
Speaker 7: But he loves to step into a throw right if
Speaker 7: he can step up into basically his center throw a
Speaker 7: past ten fifteen yards down the field, that's what he
Speaker 7: wants to do.
Speaker 2: Shaq Mason, the guard's giving up ten sacks. M I
Speaker 2: mean that's think about that, Yeah, think about that. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's that's that's problem. You know, that's they've given up
Speaker 2: twist stunts and you know there's been all kinds of
Speaker 2: things going on inside. I think that wasn't a misprint
Speaker 2: on that number. I mean, am I check me on
Speaker 2: that to make sure.
Speaker 8: That I got you, PFF has a different number what
Speaker 8: I want to.
Speaker 2: What do they think it at five? They have five? Well,
Speaker 2: in our in our metrics and the next gen stuff,
Speaker 2: it was ten, and I was like, going.
Speaker 4: What number ten to be that?
Speaker 7: Because the PFF sometimes can be a little different when
Speaker 7: it comes to.
Speaker 2: A I was going through the sacks and I saw
Speaker 2: ten and I thought, man, that is a lot. And
Speaker 2: then you watch there's like thirty eight of them and
Speaker 2: he's involved in a lot of them. Yeah, like the
Speaker 2: twist stunt stuff and all that. So yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: it's to me, you know. And last week they tried uh,
Speaker 2: Juice Scrugs as the as the the guard as the
Speaker 2: guard at left guard and Jared Patterson played center. So
Speaker 2: they've kind of had to move some guys around a
Speaker 2: little bit to try and make some things, to make
Speaker 2: some things up here. But yeah, when I saw that
Speaker 2: number of sacks for Mace, I'm like, Okay. Then I
Speaker 2: started watching and I'm like, damn, that's seems like an
Speaker 2: awful lot of sacks for a guy.
Speaker 8: It looks like it's closer to your number.
Speaker 7: Yeah, sure, Yeah, And the reason they've had to move
Speaker 7: that offensive line around in the in the middle, there
Speaker 7: was Kenyon Green going down their left guard, so they
Speaker 7: moved Jewe Scruggs to the left, bring in Jared Patterson
Speaker 7: to kind of fill that middle.
Speaker 8: I like Patterson.
Speaker 7: I don't necessarily love him in the run game, but
Speaker 7: I think he's I think he's a.
Speaker 8: Solid pass protector.
Speaker 7: I think obviously the combination of Juwe Scrugs and Kenyon
Speaker 7: Green a center left guard is better than Jared Patterson
Speaker 7: jew Scruggs, but I think they have a serviceable backup
Speaker 7: center there.
Speaker 2: Their tackles. How did you feel about their tackle play?
Speaker 2: Because I saw with with with with with Howard the
Speaker 2: right tackle, like people walking him. Yeah, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean. And then Laramie Tunsel, who forever has been
Speaker 2: this high level player. You know, there's been times where
Speaker 2: he's given up some he's given up some some pressures,
Speaker 2: a lot of pressures. So between Tunsall, Shaq, Mason Howard,
Speaker 2: there's your hope that Dallas showed last week that maybe
Speaker 2: the past Russia circling back. And what gave me more
Speaker 2: hope is when I watch what Green Bay did to him,
Speaker 2: blitzing him with that that that double a gap look
Speaker 2: that Zimmer likes to throw with the two rushers and
Speaker 2: then or you know, one rusher to drop or to
Speaker 2: go one drop, Twist that thing up, muddy that thing
Speaker 2: up a little bit more inside, because like you said,
Speaker 2: Nick quarterback is like a step up and throw guy.
Speaker 2: You could you can maybe get him to step right
Speaker 2: into a sack because there's been been a few of
Speaker 2: them I saw watching the tape.
Speaker 8: Reality, he's taking some big hits as a result of
Speaker 8: him doing that too.
Speaker 5: That was all And the real reality is if Dallas
Speaker 5: has a shout of shot of winning this game, I
Speaker 5: think a lot of that's gonna have to be on
Speaker 5: the defense actually getting turnovers maybe even right that's my point.
Speaker 5: With the offense having the issues that they're having, really
Speaker 5: they're gonna have to have a short feel or the
Speaker 5: defense is gonna have to score in some instances. And
Speaker 5: I think that's where you could start seeing a possibility
Speaker 5: that Dallas could figure out a way to get a win.
Speaker 5: It will have to be the defense having he stuff
Speaker 5: day and basically taking the ball away.
Speaker 7: This offense to give it credit. It puts pressure on
Speaker 7: all aspects of the defense. I think you look at
Speaker 7: an offense like the Lions. Me personally, I feel like
Speaker 7: it really challenges the middle of your offense. Excuse me,
Speaker 7: the middle of your defense. They're going to run the ball,
Speaker 7: They're going to bring Laporto over the middle on the
Speaker 7: Ross Saint Brown, let's come a Carson middle of the field.
Speaker 7: Eagles are a little bit more spread out. But the Texans,
Speaker 7: they will challenge your corners, they will challenge your safeties,
Speaker 7: They'll challenge your linebackers. I feel like more than any
Speaker 7: other position group. With the way mixing runs, with the
Speaker 7: way they like to get Dalton schultzo be and taking
Speaker 7: Dell open over the middle of the field in those
Speaker 7: crossing routes, it's going to make life really difficult for
Speaker 7: your entire defense. But I think the linebackers are the
Speaker 7: ones that if they're not playing their assignments right, this
Speaker 7: is going to get ugly.
Speaker 4: You mentioned Dalton Schultz, how much they use him at
Speaker 4: tight end.
Speaker 2: He's getting quite a bit. And when he still with
Speaker 2: Dalton Schultz, it's like the routes that you see him catch,
Speaker 2: the flat routes, the out routes, things like that that
Speaker 2: he's able to kind of he will get lost and
Speaker 2: then they'll find him. So yeah, he still catches the
Speaker 2: ball very very well for you guys.
Speaker 7: For the Texans, twenty nine receptions for three hundred and
Speaker 7: ten yards hasn't scored so far this ye yeah, all.
Speaker 4: Right, let's go ahead and take our final break. We'll
Speaker 4: come back.
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Speaker 5: the cornerback position. Find out from you guys what you
Speaker 5: think the Cowboys should do this year, this weekend or
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Speaker 4: We're talking Cowboys versus Texans.
Speaker 5: Man, this is gonna be an interesting game and interesting weekend.
Speaker 5: There's a bunch of fans from Houston that are going to.
Speaker 4: Be tuned in for this one and probably show up.
Speaker 6: What do you mean, who am I rooting for this weekend?
Speaker 5: I have not been a Houston fan since the Oilers left.
Speaker 5: I that was the last time I was a fan.
Speaker 5: I am still I am still a fan of the Rockets,
Speaker 5: and I will forever be a fan of the Rockets
Speaker 5: because I'm just a keen fan, so I'll always be
Speaker 5: a fan of the Rockets. But when the Oilers left, Yeah,
Speaker 5: my my allegiance to Houston was gone.
Speaker 2: From a football you.
Speaker 8: Got a lot of family and friends that are Texans fans.
Speaker 4: Not as many.
Speaker 5: Most of them have transitioned over to to being Cowboys
Speaker 5: fans because of me. But I do have some that
Speaker 5: are still Texans fans. I got a few coming up
Speaker 5: this week for the game. So yeah, it's it's an interesting,
Speaker 5: interesting time. We'll see how it goes. Let's talk about
Speaker 5: this Dallas defense right now. With what you've seen from
Speaker 5: Kaylen Carson and looking at how he played in this
Speaker 5: last game. Dallas made the move to take him out
Speaker 5: at one point during that game. Do you think it's
Speaker 5: at a point now where they need to just kind
Speaker 5: of move on from him for the rest of this
Speaker 5: year as far as having him out there as a
Speaker 5: starter and go with another option just so he can,
Speaker 5: more than anything else, just kind of keep his head
Speaker 5: from getting in a bad place.
Speaker 6: Wow, he didn't listen to yesterday show.
Speaker 4: I guess what did you say something about that?
Speaker 6: We kind of talked about it, right, did you all?
Speaker 16: Right?
Speaker 5: Well, for the for the sake of me and those
Speaker 5: that may not have listened, I was in meetings.
Speaker 4: If I could listen, I would have been.
Speaker 9: Here, but we didn't get to the that far out
Speaker 9: like we've talked about it just for now now necessarily
Speaker 9: for the rest of the season.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean I'm just thinking, like for a young
Speaker 5: guy like him, I think we all agree the guy
Speaker 5: has some talent.
Speaker 4: He's not a bad player.
Speaker 5: He's put on films some bad moments, and I think
Speaker 5: sometimes for a young guy, it can be a good
Speaker 5: thing to tell him, hey, just sit for a second,
Speaker 5: let's just watch learn and for more than anything else,
Speaker 5: just to keep him from getting into such a bad
Speaker 5: place to where you ruin him for the future. Do
Speaker 5: you think it's at that point for somebody like Kayln Carson.
Speaker 8: I'll answer your question.
Speaker 7: I think one of the things that stunned his growth
Speaker 7: the most was going up against the receiving court training
Speaker 7: camp that is just simply non talented. And he built
Speaker 7: a lot of confidence against the receiving corps that has
Speaker 7: not really shown that they are worthy of being, you know,
Speaker 7: one of the better ones even in the division, much
Speaker 7: less the entire NFL. And you see the very first
Speaker 7: preseason game against the Rams, they start attacking Kayln Carson.
Speaker 7: If you remember, Kayln Carson not have a good day
Speaker 7: that day. Yeah, they're just going at him.
Speaker 2: Going at him.
Speaker 7: We're like, oh, you know, Kayln Carson has been great
Speaker 7: in camp. You know these days are going to come.
Speaker 7: Little did we know those were the days? You know,
Speaker 7: so I think getting Israel mcwuamu starting moving forward. I
Speaker 7: think it's a better move. I think Carson needs to
Speaker 7: build back his confidence.
Speaker 2: I think I would shuffle him. What I would do
Speaker 2: is maybe if mcwama would play two series or whatever,
Speaker 2: and you know, you're really this thing's not going anywhere.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think it is, that's my opinion.
Speaker 2: But what I would do is maybe mcwama. You getting
Speaker 2: a point in time of a game. You know, teams
Speaker 2: will game plan knowing that twenty one's out there. So
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you know, it's twenty four, it's
Speaker 2: twenty four. It's twenty four. Oh wait, twenty one's out there.
Speaker 2: You know. Now you're kind of what do we need
Speaker 2: to get to it? Now? You're maybe maybe with the
Speaker 2: flow of the game, things have kind of maybe your
Speaker 2: pass rush is getting home. You know, maybe you're causing
Speaker 2: some you know, some pressures and things like that. I
Speaker 2: don't completely just sit him down. I like, you know,
Speaker 2: you know you want to play him twice, you know too,
Speaker 2: and two times in the first half, two times in
Speaker 2: the second half. But just keep him, keep him occupied,
Speaker 2: don't don't put him in time out. You know, he
Speaker 2: needs reps, you know. Yeah, they're attacking him. Yeah, he's
Speaker 2: not real confident. Yeah, his shoulder hurts. Yeah, he's worried
Speaker 2: about getting hurt again. You know. I mean there's a
Speaker 2: lot of things going on. The double moves, I mean,
Speaker 2: the more this season is what it is. You know,
Speaker 2: go out there and just let him get more experience
Speaker 2: and let him take his lumps, which he has. But
Speaker 2: you never know, maybe he'll show up one day and
Speaker 2: it'll have some success a series to a series, and
Speaker 2: you know, he gets a little bit more confidence about
Speaker 2: I just don't sit him down. I mean, if you
Speaker 2: want to start MCWAMU, you need to figure out what
Speaker 2: to deal with Bland. But that might be too late
Speaker 2: to even you know, think about that. That might be
Speaker 2: something that might be the you know, that might be
Speaker 2: a whole season thing. I don't know. I'm just putting
Speaker 2: it out there right now. But but to me, it's,
Speaker 2: you know, I keep playing the kid, but alternate him
Speaker 2: maybe you know once every third series or something. Put
Speaker 2: him out there and let him get a little bit
Speaker 2: more experienced. You know, you don't have to do it
Speaker 2: in the games on the line or anything, or right
Speaker 2: before the half that they're trying to stop a two
Speaker 2: minute drive, but you know, coming out of the half
Speaker 2: or something like that, just go with him and see,
Speaker 2: you know, give him, give him a little bit more
Speaker 2: of an opportunity.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I completely agree. I've said this before. I still
Speaker 9: like him, and I think they're a lot more to
Speaker 9: him than what he's currently showing. And I also agree
Speaker 9: with him needing that mental break where he comes out
Speaker 9: and okay it doesn't because it can really damage a player,
Speaker 9: the mental aspect of it, when you're constantly getting attacked and.
Speaker 4: Beat down, especially corner.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and with him being so young too, you know,
Speaker 9: so I do think rotate him, throw him in there
Speaker 9: for some reps, because at the same time, we know
Speaker 9: NFL experience, like game day experience.
Speaker 6: That's very difficult to come by.
Speaker 9: So with the way the season is going currently, you're
Speaker 9: not gonna lose much the way it's trending, you're not
Speaker 9: gonna lose much by actually throwing him out there and
Speaker 9: letting him play some more.
Speaker 2: Don't let his don't let his going into twenty twenty
Speaker 2: five be that question of well, you man, it was
Speaker 2: really rough for you last year. You know, maybe you
Speaker 2: can find some successful. You're you're three and six team
Speaker 2: right now. You're really you know, you're looking at everybody
Speaker 2: above you. You know, you're to the old thing. You're
Speaker 2: as that old box. It says playoff picture in the hunt.
Speaker 2: You're not even in the hunt. You're out of the hunt.
Speaker 2: So don't you know, don't don't sit there and just say, well,
Speaker 2: he just had a lot, No, you're you're not a
Speaker 2: good football team, and just give him an opportunity to
Speaker 2: try and kind of work his way out of it.
Speaker 2: That when you know he gets ready for the off season,
Speaker 2: it's like maybe he had a couple of plays where
Speaker 2: he had some success. He maybe got an interception, somebody
Speaker 2: over threw a ball or they tipped it up and
Speaker 2: he got it, or something where he can at least
Speaker 2: feel good going in the off season that he did
Speaker 2: something the right way, not completely the wrong way.
Speaker 5: Duke twenty two on x X asked any word on Bland,
Speaker 5: and I'll take that question a little bit further. Do
Speaker 5: you think it gets to a point at some point
Speaker 5: this season if he hasn't returned to where maybe they
Speaker 5: look at, hey, we could put him on IR and
Speaker 5: you could bring up someone like a Josh Butler or
Speaker 5: a chemen hall where you now get a chance to
Speaker 5: evaluate some of those guys as opposed to just kind
Speaker 5: of holding on to the hope that he comes back.
Speaker 7: Doesn't sound like he's in a better spot this week
Speaker 7: than he was last week. As far as your second
Speaker 7: question there, that's a tough one because if you put
Speaker 7: him on IRI, it's obviously out for four weeks.
Speaker 5: I think if you did that, you'd be saying probably
Speaker 5: just we're gonna sit him for the year, and.
Speaker 7: You're also giving and you're also giving up on on
Speaker 7: what the what the season has ahead. And while there's
Speaker 7: a lot of people on that side of the building
Speaker 7: who have not given up on that, what I expect
Speaker 7: him to know exactly, and I think if they want
Speaker 7: to have Bland back in case that they are able
Speaker 7: to put together a run.
Speaker 2: No, you get it right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, real quick?
Speaker 5: Michael Parson's return last week. Give me an assessment on
Speaker 5: what you think he looked like last week, and and
Speaker 5: not just obviously we saw the big splash plays, but
Speaker 5: overall looking at everything else, how would you assess his play?
Speaker 2: The defense has some jump when he's in there, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like he like they they double
Speaker 2: team him, and it allows somebody else to come around
Speaker 2: and get a pressure unblocked or one on one or
Speaker 2: you know, it makes Osa better, It makes everybody in
Speaker 2: that it made you know, it made Carl Lawson better,
Speaker 2: It made it made over shown better. You know. It
Speaker 2: just the defense was did a really nice job. I
Speaker 2: mean they and like I say, they start the second
Speaker 2: half and get a three and out, you know, and
Speaker 2: what do you do on offense? You three and out?
Speaker 2: It just right back to them, you know, I mean
Speaker 2: this defense with him out there, they they they looked
Speaker 2: like an NFL defense, you know, they got after they pressured.
Speaker 2: They they had some mistakes because of what's going on
Speaker 2: at left corner. But he he's a difference maker. There's
Speaker 2: just no question about that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the defense eventually broke. They were bending and bending
Speaker 7: and then eventually broke there in the second half. But
Speaker 7: I think from rush perspective, when Michael Parsons is on
Speaker 7: the field, it is a trickle down effect for everybody.
Speaker 7: I actually asked Mike Zimmer about that on Monday, and
Speaker 7: he feels the same way. He kind of gave me
Speaker 7: was like, well, it's our best, it's our best pass rusher.
Speaker 7: Of course he's gonna help everybody else, So.
Speaker 8: It's it's a dumb ass.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he probably said, yeah, dumb ass. He said that
Speaker 2: to me before. Yeah, dumb ass, And I keep saying that,
Speaker 2: but I've heard that before.
Speaker 9: But it was it was still impressive the fact that
Speaker 9: he had been out for that amount of time and
Speaker 9: felt like he didn't necessarily miss miss a beat like
Speaker 9: he went in there. And we also talked about in
Speaker 9: your breakdown Brian the prior week heading into the game,
Speaker 9: how the Eagles have some time been able to manage
Speaker 9: him and kind of mentally drive him a little nuts
Speaker 9: at times and.
Speaker 6: And frustrate him.
Speaker 9: And we know we've seen it before when he gets
Speaker 9: frustrated and messes up his game and all of that.
Speaker 9: And I think, uh, he was able to go in
Speaker 9: there and handle everything and once again goes to show
Speaker 9: and this works in his favor for whatever else is
Speaker 9: going to happen for his future. It shows how valuable
Speaker 9: a guy like him is to this defense.
Speaker 2: The thing going into this week, and I know about
Speaker 2: you guys, I saw the defense try something, you know,
Speaker 2: I saw them try to do something that and I
Speaker 2: mean do something by hey, we're not gonna play the
Speaker 2: same scheme that we've been playing. We're gonna try and
Speaker 2: play the run a little different. We're gonna try and
Speaker 2: rush the passer and be more. Parsons had a lot
Speaker 2: to do with that. They were able to kind of
Speaker 2: do some things. You know, we our show talked about, Hey,
Speaker 2: we'd love to see overshown rush that got him. We
Speaker 2: saw that could have been three sacks in the half
Speaker 2: right there from that rush. That's I'm just asking the
Speaker 2: offense to try and do the same thing. If we're
Speaker 2: gonna if we're gonna watch losing football, please give me
Speaker 2: a reason to say, you know what, they tried this,
Speaker 2: and you know what, for half the game it really
Speaker 2: worked out well. They ran out of gas. Offense, Please
Speaker 2: just try something different. Try try if it's if it's
Speaker 2: put Trey Lanson in the second series of the game,
Speaker 2: if it's something that you know, if it's something, just
Speaker 2: to give it a spark to where it's not just
Speaker 2: Karth even said it on Monday, he goes, what's second
Speaker 2: half of football was hard? Now? Some of the hardest football. Okay, sir,
Speaker 2: you're the play caller, you know, I know you don't
Speaker 2: have all your guys. But you're the play caller, you know,
Speaker 2: don't tell me how hard it is. Figure it out.
Speaker 2: Figure out something like Zimmer's over there dying with the
Speaker 2: left corner that's not ready to play. But so what
Speaker 2: he's having to do double a gap, blitz, he's putting
Speaker 2: Leo foul out there, he's making overshown a rusher, he's
Speaker 2: you know, he's doing different things. If you're gonna die
Speaker 2: that way, die fighting, don't just die throwing hitches and
Speaker 2: stick routes. Well, no, that's just yeah, but that's what
Speaker 2: you watch the games and you're we're sitting in the
Speaker 2: press box. What do we do? We die? We watch it,
Speaker 2: we die. We just like football die. We just oh man,
Speaker 2: you know. But when they come out blitzing and sacking,
Speaker 2: hurts and stuff, it gives us football life. You know.
Speaker 2: We're like, yeah, here we go. That's that's what we
Speaker 2: need right there. And then the offense, it's.
Speaker 5: Yeah, a good A good example of that, Brian is
Speaker 5: you look at the Tampa Bay Buccaneers right now. They
Speaker 5: lost both their top two offensive weapons are two receivers,
Speaker 5: and they are still every week very very competitive against Quarterbacke. Yeah,
Speaker 5: because they keep just figuring out ways to be in
Speaker 5: the game. And by the way they they probably are
Speaker 5: not going to go anywhere this year. But the fact
Speaker 5: is there's still a team that's very competitive because they're
Speaker 5: just still fighting in that way. And that's what you
Speaker 5: saw in the first half from Dallas. I think last
Speaker 5: week it just fell apart in second half. But that's
Speaker 5: what I want to see. I want to see that fight,
Speaker 5: regardless of what the outcome is. I want to see
Speaker 5: that fight. And I want to see you trying something different,
Speaker 5: something different.
Speaker 8: You want to see something different.
Speaker 7: The different this week will be Jonathan Mingo, and then
Speaker 7: we'll be talking about the very exact same thing next week.
Speaker 2: Oh so you're saying Mingo will be involved.
Speaker 4: It'll be the different, that'll be the different, that they'll
Speaker 4: make it different.
Speaker 2: But am I wrong? I mean, and you're like and
Speaker 2: you're like looking at the game and you're going, damn
Speaker 2: that I've seen this before.
Speaker 7: I've been talking about creativity in this offense, needing it
Speaker 7: to happen, since I feel like at times year and
Speaker 7: even when they need it the most, Oh, you can't
Speaker 7: throw it out.
Speaker 9: An illustration of what it was like me at the game,
Speaker 9: sitting there, computer, sitting there, my computer, doing other stuff
Speaker 9: that I need to do, and then all of a
Speaker 9: sudden they get ustacked and I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 9: oh my god, hold on, I can't find the freaking
Speaker 9: graphic because I did not have it ready because I
Speaker 9: expect that to happen necessarily so and it was exciting
Speaker 9: to your point.
Speaker 2: And if we're not, if we're gonna be you know,
Speaker 2: out manned, out gunned, all that stuff, come up with
Speaker 2: something that like, man, they they're not they're not good
Speaker 2: at doing this. You know. The other team they can't
Speaker 2: handle this. Like I say, watch that Green Bay game
Speaker 2: and you tell me if they can handle the double
Speaker 2: A gap blitz down there an h Town. No, they
Speaker 2: can't watch it. It's gonna happen this this Monday.
Speaker 8: Night, all right, when does Zimmerson micah, so get.
Speaker 2: Ready on that one. That way, Mike is, Mike is
Speaker 2: to the point now where he knows he's got game
Speaker 2: just a few games left. Probably he's going to he's
Speaker 2: going to punish.
Speaker 7: Somebody specifically, Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's coming because we saw
Speaker 7: somebody and show get ready send them both through the
Speaker 7: hate gap maybe, well yeah, at the same time, but
Speaker 7: alternating each of them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, appreciate you guys, Jones. So we're back tomorrow.
Speaker 5: We will jump into the Dallas offense versus versus this
Speaker 5: Texans defense.
Speaker 4: Will till then for Nick Harris. Brian brought us Ambergarci.
Speaker 4: I'm Derek.
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