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Speaker 1: The only thing I'm plugging is forgotten seasons.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back today. We got the very own

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Speaker 2: truth straight from the Truth Lounge. Man, Paul Pierce, I

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Speaker 2: got a quick question for you before we get going.

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Speaker 2: I know you've been in the gym recently. You've been

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Speaker 2: in the gym recently. I've been following along on the Instagram.

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Speaker 2: You're like before the sun comes up. Jilani's also back

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Speaker 2: in the gym. Now to playing basketball, who do you think?

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Speaker 2: What do you think about a two on two matchup

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Speaker 2: me and Jelani versus you and Nate?

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Speaker 1: Please? Why do you think they can?

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Speaker 2: They can sub in and out?

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Speaker 3: Classic classic angele Wood's finest. What an answer? Some thought

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Speaker 3: behind that? Give me figure out? I don't even know

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Speaker 3: if Nate got bad ball shoes.

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Speaker 1: Definitely did bro.

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Speaker 2: I think Nate should be part of your journey. I

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Speaker 2: think it's a it's a new show waiting to happen.

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Speaker 2: You and Nate locked into the gym. It could be

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Speaker 2: a body transformation for him.

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Speaker 1: So oh no, today was rough.

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Speaker 2: So man, I think for today's today's episode, uh, we're

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Speaker 2: gonna talk about kind of your rise to start him

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Speaker 2: coming into the league, and then two thousand and two,

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Speaker 2: where you come two games away from the finals. Man,

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Speaker 2: before we start, Man, I know you're watching the highlights now, Like,

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Speaker 2: do you think that your pre Big Three Celtics career

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Speaker 2: is just slept on? In general?

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 4: I think a lot of kids didn't even know who

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Speaker 4: I was before the Big Three. You know, I made

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Speaker 4: a lot of All Star games. You know, I made

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Speaker 4: a couple of playoff runs, you know. And you know,

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Speaker 4: I guess when the Big Three coind got together. It

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Speaker 4: was around the time of social media coming into play,

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Speaker 4: and so we were a team that was nightly on

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Speaker 4: national television. And so yeah, I think it is it

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Speaker 4: is pre Big Three slept on. And so like when

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Speaker 4: I when I retweet something on Twitter highlights from pre

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Speaker 4: are like, WHOA, I didn't know he actually condunk. I

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Speaker 4: didn't know he actually to do certain things, you know,

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Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So, you know, a lot

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Speaker 4: of this generation didn't know me. They said, you know,

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Speaker 4: I wasn't really nothing before Ray and KG, which is

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Speaker 4: not true.

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Speaker 2: I got a few numbers that I pulled that I'm

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Speaker 2: not even sure if you know, But just to back

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Speaker 2: this up. From two thousand to two thousand and six,

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Speaker 2: you were number three in games played. You missed eight

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Speaker 2: games in six years coming off in near death experience,

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Speaker 2: which is crazy. You were there were number three in

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Speaker 2: total points, behind Kobe Bryann and Allen Iverson. You were

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Speaker 2: number three in total men, number three in total minutes.

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Speaker 2: I think Kg's up there and there's one other player,

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Speaker 2: and then you're one of three players over that stretch

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Speaker 2: to average twenty four six and four. T Mac and

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Speaker 2: Lebron were the only other ones. You made four All

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Speaker 2: Star games, you made the playoffs four times. You won

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Speaker 2: three playoff series, and again you nearly made a finals

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Speaker 2: before KG and Ray got there. Who do you think

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Speaker 2: you're like, like, what's the starting five that you could

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Speaker 2: know you're watching that.

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Speaker 3: Before we get there, hold on people, before we get there.

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Speaker 3: Every time he does this to a guest and somebody like,

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Speaker 3: he pulls these these stats out and just to see

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Speaker 3: you and I know you, you know stats, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean, Like just to see you factually, like,

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Speaker 3: oh wow, how does that make you feel? Like when

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Speaker 3: you hear those stats because you be busy when during

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Speaker 3: who this out there, now that you're a Hall of

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Speaker 4: I mean I feel like, definitely the numbers live men

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Speaker 4: make you feel kind of underrated.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I.

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Speaker 4: Should have made more all NBA teams, you know, And

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Speaker 4: I think if they didn't go by position, I would

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Speaker 1: I mean it was stacked. The wings was.

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Speaker 4: Stacked, like two thousand, Vince Kobe, Vince T. Mac Ray,

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Speaker 4: I feel I was. I was up there with the

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Speaker 2: So what's give us the five Who are the five

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Speaker 4: Okay, the five best players I played with were Antoine

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Speaker 2: Jeez, it gets a little bit tough after.

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Speaker 1: Third best.

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Speaker 4: Wow, maybe Al Jefferson, Young Al Jefferson, Rajon Rondo.

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Speaker 1: Do I do? I I played with the older Gary Payton,

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Speaker 3: What about the batman? Does he fall in any does

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Speaker 1: I like? I think I like Al was I like

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Speaker 2: Jesus, we got you know, Ricky Davis, Kenny Anderson, Eric.

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Speaker 5: Rick come on there you go, come on yeah, Ricky,

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Speaker 4: Uh Ron Mercer ooh he said.

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Speaker 1: A good pull, good nice pull.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe Ron Mercer. I mean I know he avers

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Speaker 2: I think, uh you say Rondo and Al Jefferson. I

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Speaker 1: Rondo was and rookie and rookie Rondo.

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Speaker 2: Rookie Rondo. We had speaking to Ricky Davis. We had

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Speaker 2: I and he told we talked a lot about that

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't remember that.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think I would have did that, though,

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Speaker 1: You know, Ricky was a twenty point score.

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Speaker 4: I don't think I had influence on him coming off

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Speaker 4: and how aggressing well he was because he took pressure.

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Speaker 1: Off of me. I don't know, though, Man, I don't

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Speaker 2: It wasn't It wasn't even malicious.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't in a negative It wasn't in a negative

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Speaker 4: Maybe maybe maybe it was a situation to where I

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Speaker 4: I remember those times where I might shoot three, four

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Speaker 1: He could just control the second unit and get more looks.

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Speaker 4: Maybe it was something like that, as casual as that

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Speaker 4: I thought, man, you know, he took a lot of

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Speaker 2: Got to Ricky Davis.

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Speaker 1: Uh, that's my boy, that's my boy. Get buckets, get buckets.

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Speaker 4: Get bucket, Ricky. Did Ricky say he was the first one?

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Speaker 4: But did he say he was the first one to

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Speaker 2: Did say that on our show with the words on it?

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Speaker 2: So last thing I'll say before we get into like

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Speaker 2: fan and in the two thousands, and you're well aware,

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Speaker 2: like I don't think anybody absolutely killed the Knicks more

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Speaker 2: don't even want to touch on it, but to me,

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Speaker 2: like from a Knicks fan perspective, I feel like I

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Speaker 2: whole Dwayne Wade conversation, like me personally, I don't think

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Speaker 2: that's far fetched at all. I think it's you know,

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Speaker 2: obviously you're gonna think that in confidence, but I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I just did back to the back to the point

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Speaker 2: that thing gained way too much attention, And I would

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Speaker 2: say that most like real basketball fans, like, it's really

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Speaker 2: not that far fetched, especially when you look at the

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Speaker 2: laid through the teammates. Yes, Wade won a championship, he

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Speaker 2: did have Shack, he had Gary Payton, Jason Williams, you

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Speaker 2: Donne's has them. But I just wanted to say, like,

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Speaker 2: coming from a I feel like a neutral standpoint, like

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Speaker 2: that's not that far off at all to me.

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Speaker 4: I mean I didn't think so either, But you know,

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Speaker 4: I mean obviously, as you know, more accolades and one

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Speaker 4: more you know, really benefited from playing with a lot

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Speaker 4: of great players. But I didn't think it was that

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Speaker 1: No, it wasn't.

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Speaker 3: Everybody from the soil and the Turf that's been a

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Speaker 3: part of the association knows exactly what Paul was talking about.

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Speaker 3: There's a reason why he has one of those jackets

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Speaker 3: and one of those trophiesn't like Paul ain't got no accolades.

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Speaker 3: We talked about how listen, man, you gotta believe in yourself.

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Speaker 4: That's what made me who I am. I thought I

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Speaker 3: I've known Paul for a long time. We've been the

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Speaker 4: Uh, it made me smarter, and it helped me grow

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Speaker 3: So you play no no no yeah right before no no.

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Speaker 4: pool table, a movie screen and we were like And

437
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 4: the reason I'll tell you the reason I would do this,

438
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 4: I would like have the guys come to my house

439
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 4: and hang out and it would be a private party

440
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 4: instead of us going out.

441
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 1: And I knew what we would be safe.

442
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,399
Speaker 4: You know, I had food for us, you know, we

443
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,199
Speaker 4: had security, and I would just do it at my

444
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 4: house because where you know, this is after the stabbing incident.

445
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 1: I would do more stuff at the house because I knew.

446
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 4: It would be safe, it'll be controlled, It'll be friends, family, close,

447
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,199
Speaker 4: people that I know and my teammates know. And we

448
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 4: made a fun night of it, especially on nights on

449
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 4: days where we didn't have practice the next day. So

450
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 4: I was like, all right, guys, we got Shisney coming up,

451
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 4: we can go to my house, hang out, you know,

452
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 4: have a good time and I have to worry about

453
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 4: looking over our shoulder.

454
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 1: And so and saying that top five players and really

455
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. First. Definitely, definitely Ricky d number one.

456
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 4: Definitely, Definitely Gary Payton, uh definitely uh Tony Allen three,

457
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 4: ah oh, there was there. GP did not want to

458
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,400
Speaker 4: be in Boston, but once he came to the first

459
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 4: year is Nick, he was like, all right, y'all, I'll

460
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 4: be good here. I'll be I'll be good here in Boston.

461
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 4: And then I have to say, uh, oh man, outside

462
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 4: of anybody, teammates only, don't have to be my cousin,

463
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 4: my cousin, my cousin David definitely the first team all.

464
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 1: Is Nick uh and.

465
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 4: Uh and let's see Tony Allen definitely GP, Ricky d

466
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 4: cousin Dave O and then Uh. I remember I didn't

467
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 4: let Perk and Al Jefferson come because they was wasn't

468
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 4: over twenty one?

469
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 3: Responsible, responsible. This whole thing is a brilliant The whole

470
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 3: thing is a brillian. You get to socialize and bring

471
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 3: back some components out of your life they were missing

472
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 3: keeping you're keeping everybody safe and out of the streets

473
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 3: and saving and and and the young out the way. Yeah,

474
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 3: we had a good time.

475
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 1: And saying that. Yeah.

476
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 4: Uh, Jerald Green couldn't come either, he wasn't of age.

477
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 1: Oh Man, who else?

478
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 4: Tony Allen and maybe j Reed resting piece j reed

479
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 4: Man one of my ex teammates passed a few years back. Man,

480
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,919
Speaker 4: But j Re he was he was loyal. He was

481
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 4: a loyal soldier.

482
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 2: Of legendary stuff. Something that stack of these points out

483
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 2: about your game, And I think it's interesting. Obviously you're

484
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 2: one of the it's like mid range mid post scores. Ever,

485
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,719
Speaker 2: what was the where'd the inside pivot come from? Like

486
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 2: it seems like whenever you catch the ball, and like

487
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 2: the wing or the block, it was always a pivot,

488
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 2: spinning on your left and using your left foot as

489
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 2: your pivot. Yeah, push off your right and I feel

490
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 2: it seems like you always did that on the catch,

491
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 2: and Stack has like praised that said that a lot

492
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 2: of guys kind of took that from you. Why'd you

493
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 2: do that? And why to work for you?

494
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 1: Well?

495
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 4: I always tried to find new ways to work on

496
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 4: my game. And I was just like, you know, everybody

497
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 4: was so used to me. You know, you're taught to

498
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 4: pivot opposite of your strong hand, you know, so if

499
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 4: you're right handed, you're pivoting with your left when you

500
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 4: face up. Well, I was a pretty strong left handed driver,

501
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 4: and I finished at the basket left a lot, and

502
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 4: I was like, you know what, instead of like wasting

503
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 4: motion trying to pivot to the right jab and go left,

504
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 4: I started working on my pivot with my right leg

505
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 4: and it was in the summer.

506
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: I will always do it.

507
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,040
Speaker 4: And you know, I like to finish left because you

508
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 4: know the scout report when you first get in the

509
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 4: league and he's strong right hand driver, and so I

510
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 4: was like, man, I'm gonna throw you off. And it

511
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 4: threw players off because players did not practice pivoting with

512
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 4: their left if you were pivoting with your right leg

513
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 4: when you are a right leg, when you're a right

514
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 4: handed player, players didn't practice that.

515
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: And so I just started practicing it. I did.

516
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 4: I used to shoot jumpers off of it, and it

517
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 4: threw players off. It looked kind of awkward and it

518
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 4: threw players off, and so I just worked on it

519
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 4: one summer and I came back and you know.

520
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: It was it was, it was. It was tricky.

521
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 4: It was tricky, trick players just did not do that,

522
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 4: and so I used that move and it was just

523
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 4: like I put it in my game. And so I

524
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 4: always tried to find different ways to add to my

525
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 4: game each and every year. You know, they say, you know,

526
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 4: what is it you're gonna do this summer to get better?

527
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 4: And what are you gonna do this summer? The work

528
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 4: in your game, And that was one of the ways

529
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 4: I did.

530
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 3: Who were in the footwork, who were some of your

531
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 3: scoring influences? That that that made you want to like

532
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 3: take pride in footwork and something like that, and like

533
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 3: being tricky and off schedule, because when I think of you.

534
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 3: I think of your game and knowing you you tricky

535
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 3: off schedule, you know what I mean, doing things and

536
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. You are a little off schedule. Pee,

537
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like you said, nobody has

538
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 3: seen that before. You know what I mean, the inside reverse,

539
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 3: give me somebody. Yeah, I got a lot of that stuff.

540
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 3: I think a huge inflant influence on this, and I

541
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 3: don't think I've ever told him this. Uh keiky Vandewey,

542
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 3: So keiky vand away would hold a mini camp every

543
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 3: summer in Los Angeles and then he moved to Vegas.

544
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 3: It would be key Vandewey and uh Gergovich.

545
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: Ye remember.

546
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 4: They would do mini camps in the summer here in

547
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 4: l A and then Vegas and I would go to

548
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 4: them every summer. But kecky vand we used to show

549
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 4: us some stuff. And he was a huge influence because

550
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 4: if you don't know who kecky Vandewah is watching you two.

551
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 4: He was one of the best UH players, had great footwork,

552
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 4: talk the game really well. And I watched that and

553
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 4: he would teach it in the summer, and I'm telling you,

554
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 4: I got a lot of good stuff from him going

555
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 4: to those little mini camps.

556
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: So thank you, kick Man.

557
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 4: You really had a big influence on the way my

558
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 4: footwork was in the game man, because he had tremendous

559
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 4: footwork as a player, but he taught it also in the.

560
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 3: Summer balance the rocker step. He gave you the rocker

561
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 3: step eyes that he was on balance.

562
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: He was a great.

563
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 2: Away averaged twenty nine and a half points per game

564
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 2: one year.

565
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,719
Speaker 1: He got buckets. Yeah, you go way people don't even

566
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 1: know about him.

567
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 5: Yeah.

568
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 2: So in that first season post stabbing, that's when you

569
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 2: also get the truth nickname and then people know that story.

570
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: Shack declared it after you dropped forty two on the Lakers.

571
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 2: But then right after that you also I think you

572
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,239
Speaker 2: went Player of the Week and you you put up

573
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 2: like four forty balls in like a two week stretch.

574
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 2: Do you remember that? And did like hear that from Shack? Yeah,

575
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: give you more confidence and kind of like validate yourself.

576
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: Man without a doubt.

577
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 4: You know, Shack he in the middle of his prime,

578
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 4: and you know, Shack just ain't gonna give anybody no props.

579
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 4: So just having Shack say that, I was like, what

580
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 4: when the O g all timer most dominant player, gave

581
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 4: you some love and you run with it.

582
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: And then it.

583
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 4: Just gave me more confidence to where, you know, my

584
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 4: friends and family calling me the.

585
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: Truth, I'm like, oh, I'm the Truth, you know.

586
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 4: So I got to you know, I want to live

587
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 4: up to this nickname, you know, so I had to

588
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 4: come out and show everybody each and every night. But

589
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 4: it definitely gave me a whole bunch of confidence.

590
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: Man.

591
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 4: It was just you know, it was just it was

592
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 4: one of my best stretches, actually scoring stretches of my career.

593
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 4: And uh, you know, once you go on the staples,

594
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 4: have a good game, shock give you a nickname.

595
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: Oh man, you know you arrived in the league.

596
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 3: Once that happens, that's when your Nike packet changed, that's

597
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 3: when you start getting the truth, the truth, the truth

598
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 3: logo on the Nikes.

599
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: How quick?

600
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 2: How quick did that happen? How quick did they take

601
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: How quick did it just become? Like was it overnight?

602
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 2: Like from that moment on, it was the truth and

603
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 2: that was your brand and Nike was making ship with it.

604
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 4: On well, it maybe the following year, the next year,

605
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 4: because that next year we made the All I made

606
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 4: the All Star Game.

607
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: I believe you know.

608
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 4: And then they gave me a pair of shoes and

609
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 4: wrote the truth on it on the strap. I remember

610
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 4: those shoes. It wasn't a signature shoot, but that was

611
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 4: the start.

612
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 2: That's what they do, though, And they give you this,

613
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 2: they give you the team battle and make it yours.

614
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.

615
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, they give the team model, made it's yours. And

616
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 4: I'm like, man, all right, I'm moving up, I'm moving on.

617
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 4: I'm making some waves out here in the league. I'm

618
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 4: making the name for myself. And so, you know, when

619
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 4: you start getting those things, it just you feel like

620
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 4: you're both supposed to work harder.

621
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: You're supposed to work.

622
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 4: Even harder because you know, you get some guys get

623
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 4: these things and you know they complacent with it, and

624
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 4: those are one of them.

625
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: Though that wasn't the ones though. That was the first one.

626
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: He showing me some of my truths, but there wasn't

627
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: the one.

628
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 4: But you know, once you get that, and you started

629
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 4: getting merch and you know, you're seeing posters with the

630
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 4: truth on it, and you know, then I started getting

631
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 4: other deals spalled.

632
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: Then comes in.

633
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 4: And I do a long term deal with small in

634
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 4: truth Basketballs and you know, truth t shirts, and uh,

635
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 4: you know it just took off after that.

636
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 3: Is this around the time or before that that you

637
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 3: m b D took over in Magic Johnson's round Ball Classic?

638
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 3: You the Truth before you took over the round Ball Classic?

639
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 3: Or was this around the same time?

640
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: Damn? When was this is around the same time? Yeah?

641
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: I feel like it was when you started bubbling. Yeah, hell.

642
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 4: Definitely the summer games and we throw the All Star

643
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 4: Game in the summer and just took over Magic at

644
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 4: the city popping and then he handed it down Davis

645
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 4: to do a charity game, you know, and that was

646
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 4: that was good times.

647
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: That was the birth of the Truth.

648
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 2: Why don't we see the stars today playing and like

649
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 2: the actually they are playing in pro ams, I take

650
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: that back, like they just playing Jamal Crawfords. But I

651
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: feel like back then, like people go to Rucker. I

652
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 2: don't really think that happens anymore, how much.

653
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 4: The charity summer summer charity games are no longer no

654
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 4: there because you had Magic would do one and hand

655
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 4: it to b mb D. Then I remember Jaylen Rose

656
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 4: would do one and then they had one down in Houston. Uh,

657
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 4: I remember going shoot Antoine Walker did one in Chicago.

658
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 4: You know guys that do a for charity in the

659
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 4: summertime and they don't do that no more. Maybe you know,

660
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 4: we got a fire fight to bring that back back.

661
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, making a weekend, make a weekend out

662
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 4: of it, and it's for charity, you know, it's for

663
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 4: a good cause.

664
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: And throwing the golf of their golf. Yeah, they are golf.

665
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: You know, a nice dinner or something.

666
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 3: So summer groove he had one summer we had yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that.

667
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: Was Zoe did it.

668
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 4: I used to go to his and so, yeah, they

669
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 4: don't do that no more. Was fun times in the

670
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 4: summer they don't.

671
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 3: That was a good chance for the fans. Yeah, in

672
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 3: Seattle on the boat he had one.

673
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, in Seattle, I remember that. I went to that one.

674
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,479
Speaker 2: It also can raise your brand a lot too, like

675
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: Kobe going to the Rucker. Kd went to the Rucker.

676
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 2: Just seeing those star players in like grimy gyms, and

677
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 2: that's when you really tell, like what an NBA player

678
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: is when they're playing against.

679
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 3: That was Pauls life in the men's gym. That's his

680
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 3: life in the men's gym. I think for for everything,

681
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 3: Paul like didn't do Rucker wise and whatever part like

682
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 3: that was his role in the men's gym is probably

683
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 3: we talked about pause, probably one a probably one. He's

684
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 3: not not one in the men's gym all starting five,

685
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?

686
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: Every day religious.

687
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 3: And serving and serving fresh off the sand dune right

688
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 3: into a serve and I got better.

689
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, yeah, that's what I got better. Yeah, man.

690
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 4: But you know what, players don't do those type of

691
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 4: things no more because they not worry about creating their

692
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 4: brand because of the social media era, where you know,

693
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 4: so you know they're able to promote theirselves and you

694
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 4: know what they're doing right there on their phone and

695
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 4: so whereas in my air, you know, you went on

696
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 4: did things so fans and people can see you and

697
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 4: identifying with you to where now they can see your

698
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 4: whole life, right, they have to click them a button now.

699
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: Good point.

700
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 2: So coming off that, so the last month of the

701
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 2: the last month of the two thousand and one season,

702
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 2: it seems like you take maybe another leap, and then

703
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 2: you carry that into the two thousand and two season.

704
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: Two thousand and two season is when you know you're

705
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 2: an All Star, you're all NBA. You have twenty one

706
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: double figure fourth quarters, and you lead the league in

707
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 2: uh fourth quarter points five hundred and fifty two fourth

708
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: quarter and overtime points. So this is when it really

709
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 2: feels like you make your mark. This I think it's

710
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: a new arena two in Boston, right, the Fleet Center,

711
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: So you make the first.

712
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: They change it, yeah, yeah, they change it from the Garden.

713
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: So you make the first playoffs in this new building.

714
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 2: What was the energy of Boston like, because again this

715
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: is their first really real good playoff team since the

716
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 2: early nineties. Probably how crazy was that Boston atmosphere in

717
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 2: that two thousand and two season.

718
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 4: Man, I'm telling you, I've never seen a crowd as

719
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 4: good as Boston. But even during losing years they would

720
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 4: we would have pretty good crowds. But when we made

721
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 4: the playoffs, man, that was my first playoffs. I was like, damn,

722
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 4: I heard the crowd from the locker room. It was

723
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 4: just incredible, incredible to be in that building, in that

724
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 4: atmosphere for a playoff game for the first time in

725
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 4: two thousand and two. It was just like, I've never

726
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 4: seen anything like this. It was just like you watch

727
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 4: it on TV, but to actually be in it the

728
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 4: first and where the first round was versus Philly, the

729
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 4: defending Eastern Conference champs. Allen Iverson the answer coming into

730
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 4: the building, So the vibes, the energy, it was electric

731
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 4: in that building. And that was the birth of the

732
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 4: what's the movie? Few good men? I want the truth?

733
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 4: You can't handle the truth. When they would play that

734
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 4: on the from the jumbo tron, and they just gave

735
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 4: me chills when they would play that, because every time

736
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 4: they play that, it was in the middle of a

737
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,919
Speaker 4: run or you know, I was going off at that time,

738
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 4: and they gave me chills every time. Man, it was

739
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 4: just the energy was unbelievable.

740
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 3: I always wonder when they start running the extra assets

741
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 3: for the star players, like how that feels when you're

742
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: a star player? Did you did you not care? It's

743
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 3: good to hear Paul admit to because you know, you

744
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 3: get extra extra media assets on the jumbo Tron.

745
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: Look, there'll be the time out and they're playing it talking,

746
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: drawing up.

747
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 4: I'm looking up, but I'm getting chilled attention to the play.

748
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 4: But I can't help but to look up at.

749
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 2: How intimidating was Alan Iverson.

750
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 4: Man, Alan Iverson, I'm telling this how intimidating. Alan Iverson

751
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 4: was if somebody said, if you're a man, if you're

752
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 4: not guarding Alan Iverson and you're man, go sex a

753
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 4: screen on who's guard Alan Iverson and he comes off

754
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 4: and you switch on him, you just pray to God

755
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 4: you don't make it on Sports Center.

756
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: I mean I was.

757
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 4: He was one of the few guys I was terrified

758
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 4: of on the switch because as much as I love

759
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 4: to guard other players, he was just way too fast

760
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 4: for me. And He's going off of these crazy numbers

761
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 4: night in and night out, and I'm just like, yo,

762
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 4: please don't hit me with this crossover. I'm gonna just

763
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 4: back up, put my hand up and hope he shoot

764
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 4: a jumper. But Allen Iverson had guys terrifying on the

765
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 4: switch because when you watch him night in and night

766
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 4: on a Sports Center, man, he making.

767
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 1: Do his fall.

768
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 4: He just blowing by guys, making make you look bad.

769
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 4: And this is Alan Iverson at the height of his superpowers.

770
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 4: So shout out to AI man, he really sparks some

771
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 4: fear on that isolation. He'll put you. Alan Iverson Island

772
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 4: was no place to.

773
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: They run that.

774
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 3: They run that screen, they're running the three screens and

775
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 3: dragged him across the top and give him a given,

776
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 3: give him. I forgot the name of it.

777
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: Alan Iverson Island, the Iris. It's the cut. That's exactly

778
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: what they call it.

779
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 4: That that wasn't a place to be. I hate it

780
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 4: being on Iverson Island.

781
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: Lonely you in the Eastern Conference to so you couple.

782
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 4: You got no food, you ain't got no water, you

783
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 4: ain't got no you got no change of clothes, and

784
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 4: a lot of oxygen over there.

785
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 3: No oxygen over there. You got to be careful how

786
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 3: you breathing. You can't be just breathing how you want

787
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 3: to over there?

788
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: Preserve island? Man? You you let you left the dead?

789
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 2: Where does where does game five of that series forty

790
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 2: six points in a do or dye game? Where does

791
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 2: that rank in your favorite single games of your career?

792
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: It's up there, It's probably in my top five. You know.

793
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: It's funny. A lot of people don't even know about

794
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: that close out game.

795
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 4: No, it was game five, which back then game we

796
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 4: had first round series. We're only going five games before

797
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 4: they moved all the series to seven.

798
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: And so.

799
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 4: This is this is when I go home and this

800
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 4: is my first actual moment to where I'm putting this

801
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 4: situation to where it's a winer go home situation, and

802
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 4: I'm like, I wasn't.

803
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: Ready to go home. We had a great year.

804
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 4: We're playing at home, and so I go out and

805
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 4: have a big game to where I'm scoring forty five

806
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 4: points or something like that, and it's it's probably one

807
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 4: of my top five playoff.

808
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 2: Moments for sure, legendary, legendary, But sure do you think

809
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 2: should bring back Best of five? I don't know if

810
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: they ever will for the TV deal. But do you

811
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 2: like do you like the best of five first round

812
00:39:58,719 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: or the best of seven?

813
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 4: I think best of seven shows who's really the best team.

814
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 4: But in a round one best of five, you'll get more.

815
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 4: In round one best of five, you're gonna.

816
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 2: Get more upsets, which people like.

817
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I like seven though I like I

818
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: like seven.

819
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 3: I like seven. Five is too many, too much luck involved.

820
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 3: Seven somebody get it hurt and get a chance to

821
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 3: come back. Five, somebody get hurt is done. Seven somebody

822
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 3: get it hurt, get a chance to come back.

823
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. There's more storylines.

824
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to you can't really win. It's really

825
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 2: hard to win a seven game series if you're not

826
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: actually the better team. Yeah, absolutely so, Pistons, you go

827
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 2: through the next round in five and then the Nets

828
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: who end up getting you again the next year. This

829
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 2: is in the middle of their back to back finals

830
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: run the first year of it. Is that a historically

831
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 2: underrated team? And is Jason Kidd also a historically underrated player?

832
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: Like?

833
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 2: How how good? How good were they?

834
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 1: J K couldn't sleep because of JK? Man, j Kid?

835
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 4: I thought j Kid me personally thought j K was

836
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 4: the best player in the world in two thousand and two.

837
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 4: I mean, dude had eyes in the back of his head,

838
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 4: the way he controlled the game, the way he passed

839
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 4: the ball, His IQ is off the charge. He is historically,

840
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 4: I believe underrated. I mean I thought Jason Kidd was

841
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 4: the best player in the world at that time. Man,

842
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 4: I just felt helpless on what you can do with

843
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 4: him out there. I mean, you talk about a guy

844
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 4: who wasn't a great shooter but found ways to get

845
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 4: to the basket even when he backed off off he

846
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 4: backed off of him. Transition was unstoppable. In transition, you

847
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 4: just you just hope you score. Even when you score

848
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 4: with they got the ball off fast. He's pushing the

849
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,479
Speaker 4: ball and he's making passes only jkd Only like three

850
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 4: or four players in NBA history.

851
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: Can make I mean him, probably.

852
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 4: Magic Johnson, Jason White Chocolate, Williams.

853
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: Probably that's it.

854
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 3: Johnson, that's it because because they he was doing it

855
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,240
Speaker 3: at full speed. He was doing it at full speed.

856
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 3: Nashville was going east to west and he's coming down

857
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 3: to pick and rolls throwing a little slick ship. Jay

858
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 3: Kidd was doing this ship at one hundred miles power.

859
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 3: Those three you names White Chocolate, Who did you say?

860
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: J K? White? Who was the third?

861
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 2: Magic?

862
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 1: Full speed? Magic? Yeah, full speed? Who are you? Yeah?

863
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: Those guys who's a better defender at their peak? Gary

864
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 2: Payton or Jason Kidd?

865
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 4: Gary Payton, Gary Payton, though I don't know, Gary Payton

866
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 4: was intimidating on defense.

867
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: I mean he was wirey, strong, six four.

868
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 4: He'll pick you up full court, talking to you the

869
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 4: whole way, looking at you with that look that me my.

870
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it was like it was just couldn't post

871
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: them up like you thought you.

872
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 4: One of the top I think I personally think Gary

873
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 4: pay is one of the top five defenders ever, Peter, did.

874
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: You get it?

875
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 3: Did you get did you get a few years at

876
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 3: a handcheck? If I'm not for If I'm not for sure,

877
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 3: you at least got one or two years at the

878
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 3: Handschuck or was it transitioned out by.

879
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: The time you can still put your hand. I think

880
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 1: you can put your hand in. Definitely your fore people,

881
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: definitely forearm. Yeah, you can definitely do this, you know. So?

882
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 4: Uh, you know, Gary just gonna get it right up

883
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 4: under you, looking looking up at you, right up on

884
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 4: you to give you no breathing wrong man, Yeah, glove

885
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 4: shout out to Glove. Now, why do you think you

886
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 4: got the nickname the glove? Come on, you don't get

887
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 4: a nickname like that. He got a defensive nickname the glove.

888
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 4: And so yeah, we yeah, I think, uh, Gary is

889
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 4: an all time defender.

890
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: Uh.

891
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 2: Somebody who hasn't really come up yet is Antoine Walker?

892
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 2: Who is you know, your co star that that whole

893
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 2: first run. I think a lot of people look at

894
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 2: Antoine's stats and you know, he shot a lot of shots,

895
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 2: but he scored to he could pass. What was it

896
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 2: like going into battles with Twan and just speak to

897
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 2: how he was kind of as a compliment piece next

898
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 2: to you.

899
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: You know, I love playing with Antoine.

900
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 4: I was really shocked when he got traded because I

901
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 4: thought we were building something here in Boston, and you know,

902
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 4: we went to a conference finals in our first playoff run.

903
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 4: I mean, toWin was ahead of his time. I tell

904
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,240
Speaker 4: him all the time. You know, four men weren't shooting threes,

905
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 4: especially at the volume he was shooting them at. You know,

906
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 4: now that's normal today. You know, you got the four

907
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 4: man who could dribble, pass and shoot. You know, that's

908
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 4: normal today. That wasn't normal in the early two thousands.

909
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 4: You know, he took about seven, eight, nine, ten threes

910
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 4: a game and people would be like, why you shoot

911
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 4: so many threes? You know, it was frowned upon sometimes

912
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 4: when he missed so many. But now that's it's normal.

913
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 4: So you know he would be outstanding in today's error.

914
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 4: I mean, this is he'd be the proto type. I

915
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 4: enjoyed my time with Twine. I wish we could have

916
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 4: built for a little bit longer to see.

917
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: Where it would have went.

918
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: So what do you think?

919
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: But very underrated, Very underrated.

920
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 2: So you come two games away from the finals in

921
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 2: that Net series. You have that crazy Game three comeback

922
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 2: where you go up to one. When when that happened

923
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 2: so early in your career and you're so close to

924
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 2: the finals, did you realize how hard it was to

925
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 2: get to that point or did you kind of expect,

926
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 2: like you mentioned, you thought they were going to build.

927
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 2: Did you think that, like you and Twine were going

928
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 2: to be right back there, you know, for years to come.

929
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought we would just continue to build on it.

930
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 3: Man.

931
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 4: I mean we've had a run to the Eastern Conference finals,

932
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 4: and let me tell you this, during the regular season,

933
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 4: we were I think we beat we played the Nets

934
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 4: four times. I think we beat them three out of four.

935
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 4: So I think we went to that series, like, guys,

936
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 4: it's a real chance we can go to the finals.

937
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 4: You know, we've owned this team during the season, and

938
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 4: why should that change now, and so to come so

939
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 4: close have been I figured we can build on it

940
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 4: because I thought that's how the NBA went, you know,

941
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 4: you you know, you know, most teams who win championships

942
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 4: when they come close, you find out ways you can

943
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 4: get better.

944
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: But then a number of things happen. You know, we

945
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: went through.

946
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 4: Coaching changes, we went through new ownership, new gms, and

947
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 4: you know when ownership changes or new gms come in town,

948
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 4: they want to make their mark, you know, with the players,

949
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 4: they want to under their under their regime.

950
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: You know.

951
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 4: So we fired our coaching, got a new GM. Danny

952
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 4: hs comes in trades twam and it was straight out

953
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 4: I was just it shocked me.

954
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: Really. I thought, you know, when you have.

955
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 4: Two all stars on the team, I think you try

956
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 4: to build on that and see how far you can go.

957
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 1: But it was just like regressing from that one.

958
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 3: Man, I want to go back. I want to go

959
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 3: back a little bit and seeing and seeing like do

960
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 3: you think and you can speak to this, do you

961
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 3: think a lot of people make a big deal out

962
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 3: of k Mart and the k Mart and the twin

963
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 3: matchup that series, right?

964
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

965
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 3: Some people say, you know, k Mark got the best

966
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 3: of Antwine, and you know what I mean, basically may

967
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 3: may may or may not be the reason he got

968
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 3: you know, maybe maybe end up seeing his last days

969
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 3: in Boston. Do you put any weight behind that being

970
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 3: there seeing that matchup or do you just think it

971
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 3: was but you said front office, new coaching change, and

972
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 3: just you know, the life of an NBA basketball player.

973
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's more of that. I mean, Kmart

974
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 4: was one of the great defenders in our league. He

975
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 4: came in as known for being a great defender, very

976
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 4: physical block shots. But to win a championship, to get

977
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 4: to where you want to go, you gotta know it's hard,

978
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 4: you know, and you know when you match up, it's

979
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 4: gonna be matchups that you go throughout in the playoffs

980
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 4: where you're going to have a tough match up. Maybe

981
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 4: that was a tough matchup for Twine. You know, I've

982
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 4: had my tough matchups in the playoffs when I have

983
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 4: to play against Ron Our Tests also known back then

984
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 4: also known as Metalworld Piece Today, you know, you have

985
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 4: certain matchups to have the playoff run that there's gonna

986
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 4: be a matchup that you're not gonna like. And but

987
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,399
Speaker 4: if you want to get to where you're going, you're

988
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 4: gonna have to go through this. And you know, matching

989
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,720
Speaker 4: up with Lebron, do I want to play seven games

990
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 4: guarding Lebron?

991
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: I mean hell no, I mean Jesus Night.

992
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 4: But you know what I'm saying. But you know, if

993
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 4: you want to get to where you want to go, man,

994
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 4: it's gonna be hard and you're gonna have these type

995
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 4: of matchups. So I don't think there was much Kean

996
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 4: Martin as it was ownership, new ownership, and new general managership.

997
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 2: How happy are you that you stuck around in Boston

998
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 2: and didn't, you know, take the first bait or request

999
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 2: the trade.

1000
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I'm happy I stuck around, But it

1001
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 4: was a mutual thing. The owners wanted me there, Danny

1002
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,919
Speaker 4: wanted me there because we had several meetings. They was like, look,

1003
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 4: we don't want to trade, we want to build with you.

1004
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 4: We feel like you're a key piece to what we're

1005
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 4: trying to build here. And that's what I needed to

1006
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 4: hear at the time. You know, if we were going

1007
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 4: to continue to keep getting younger and and I'm in

1008
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 4: my prime going into the eighth nineteenth year, it didn't

1009
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 4: make sense for me. But when we had these meetings

1010
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 4: during the year we lost all those games and them

1011
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 4: showing confidence and wanting to keep me and not trade me, Uh,

1012
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 4: it made me want to stay there even more. People

1013
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 4: not trusting them, and they trusted me.

1014
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 2: It worked.

1015
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 1: It worked.

1016
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 3: People before we let you, before you get your your

1017
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 3: era of greatness, some of the some of the Wings

1018
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 3: team at Kobe, Mellow, Lebron, Vince Carter. I mean you

1019
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 3: get your name, Ron our Test, you know what I mean.

1020
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 3: The wings are the wings, d Wade. You know you

1021
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 3: grew up in the era and of the wings of

1022
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,720
Speaker 3: the Wings and ended up becoming a Hall of Famer

1023
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 3: cutting your teeth through the through this section. Did look

1024
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 3: when you look back at the era of the wing player,

1025
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 3: do you consider that era probably the the the epitome

1026
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 3: of wing playersm.

1027
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 4: I do, Man, I do, Man, I think it was

1028
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 4: the golden generation about the wings.

1029
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: Man, I'm telling you.

1030
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 4: I would sit in my house and look at the

1031
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 4: schedule and I would say, all right, I got a

1032
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 4: t Mac Vince, and I'm end the week with run

1033
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 4: our Test. And then next week we got young Lebron

1034
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 4: and Mellow and this could be Hall within the two

1035
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 4: of Kobe, and this could be all within two weeks.

1036
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 4: So it was like, man, I gotta get my rest.

1037
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 4: You know, I had no time for nothing else. It

1038
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 4: was just like I felt like it was every night.

1039
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 4: And then when you didn't play guys who were considered

1040
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 4: superstars or all stars, you still running the guys. You know,

1041
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,240
Speaker 4: you can get about Michael Red. You know guys like that,

1042
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 4: Kevin Martin, Yeah yeah, Kevin Martin down in sad. You know,

1043
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 4: guys who weren't as heralded but can get you buckets.

1044
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. I mean even like Ricky Davis,

1045
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 4: like when he was on other teams, like he was

1046
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 4: a twenty foint scorer easily, and that can go off

1047
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 4: of thirty or forty any given night. And so I

1048
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 4: do truly believe the Wing arrow was in the two thousands,

1049
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 4: you know, and it was tough. That's why I probably

1050
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 4: didn't make as many All NBA teams, But I truly

1051
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 4: believe that they were did didn't go by positions and

1052
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 4: just say these are the fifteen first, second, third team

1053
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 4: because think about what happened last year. Joker finishes second

1054
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 4: in MVP, but then he's second team All NBA, which

1055
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,240
Speaker 4: doesn't make sense now, you know what I'm saying, because

1056
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 4: Jolan Bid wins MVP and he's at the same position,

1057
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 4: and so Joker gets left on first team, which.

1058
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: Is not there.

1059
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 2: It's got to be positionless, you know, yeah, it has

1060
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 2: to be positionless.

1061
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 4: So you know, but the Wings I can't even think of.

1062
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 4: But you damn, you had Sean Marion.

1063
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 3: Come on, now, it's a lot of unspoken wings. Yeah,

1064
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 3: it's a lot of unspoken wings that go unnoticed too.

1065
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 3: You got your you got to deal with.

1066
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 4: Then you might get caught on. You might have to

1067
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 4: get caught on Catino Mobley like.

1068
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 1: Like, imagine another Io Island.

1069
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 2: Imagine if you right that trade to Houston, if it happened,

1070
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 2: if you, I mean, if they thought about that when

1071
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,240
Speaker 2: you said that, unless they send them back. But imagine

1072
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 2: if it was Steve Francis continum you.

1073
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 3: I saw, I saw Paul in the Houston jersey when

1074
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,479
Speaker 3: he said that it didn't sound too crazy. I was like, yeah,

1075
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 3: that that's what they was doing down there, Io Ball.

1076
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 2: And then if you get yeah, and then if you

1077
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 2: get if you get Yeao too.

1078
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: Right and Ben y'all too, Oh, that would have been crazy.

1079
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 2: Why don't people talk about Yao man? What was it

1080
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 2: like playing against Yao Ming? Do you think it's like

1081
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 2: how people feel playing against women Yama? Just like God damn.

1082
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 4: At that time, yes, yeah, yeah, because you never saw

1083
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:20,439
Speaker 4: nobody that big move like that, you know he had,

1084
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 4: because nobody that big had that soft touch like that either.

1085
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 4: And with the footwork, you know, it was it's clips

1086
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 4: on y'all getting a rebound, pushing it full court. You know,

1087
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 4: he had a little handles on him too, so yeah,

1088
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 4: you know, he just you know, that's what you see

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Speaker 4: when you see generational players. If y'all had have been healthy,

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Speaker 4: I mean y'all easily would have been one of the

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Speaker 4: top fifty players ever.

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Speaker 2: Facts well, Paul Man, thank you for your time. This

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Speaker 2: was this was amazing. Truth Lounge every Friday on the

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Speaker 2: on the All the Smoke Productions YouTube, and on the

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Speaker 2: Draft Kings Network. Man just getting started. I'm excited to

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Speaker 2: see where the show goes. Man, thank you for your time.

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Speaker 4: Check me out True Clowns Baby,