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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. O. J. Simpson spinning in

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Speaker 1: hell tonight, forced to pay fifty eight million dollars to

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Speaker 1: his murder victims. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 3: Can you send some one to my house or my

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Speaker 3: ex husband or my husband. He's broke into my house

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Speaker 3: and he's ranting and raving. Now he's just walked out

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Speaker 3: the front yard.

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Speaker 4: And know that he's crazy.

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Speaker 1: You know, just looking at him makes me sick. The

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Speaker 1: one thing that makes me feel a little bit better

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Speaker 1: is I know he is spinning out right now and

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Speaker 1: hell with Satan, having to be forced to pay out

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Speaker 1: fifty eight million dollars to his murder victims' families, This

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Speaker 1: after he stonewalled over thirty years, engaging in all sorts

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Speaker 1: of nefarious activity to avoid paying the families of the

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Speaker 1: two people. He don't look at me and smile. Take

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Speaker 1: that down. I don't even want to see that. He

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Speaker 1: tried every move he could to avoid paying them, and

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Speaker 1: he swore he would never pay them. This as he

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Speaker 1: lived the high life. A mansion in Florida, another home,

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Speaker 1: I guess, a vacation home, playing golf on beautiful golf

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Speaker 1: courses every day, being guests and expensive restaurants hotels all

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Speaker 1: across the world. Let's see a shot from our friends

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Speaker 1: at TMZ of Orenthal James Simpson partying a hearty this

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Speaker 1: as he knows. Oh yeah, there you go. He would

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Speaker 1: find one Nicole Brown look alike after the next. We've

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Speaker 1: got clips of him partying all over the world, clips

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Speaker 1: out the Yunion. Why didn't he have a job to

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Speaker 1: pay off his debts? Again, that's from our buddy Harvey

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Speaker 1: Levin over at t m Z. Let's get down right

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Speaker 1: to it. This is where it all starts.

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Speaker 4: Listen, can you send someone to my house? What's the problem?

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Speaker 3: My ex husband or my husband just broke into my

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Speaker 3: house and he's ranting and raving. Now he's just walked

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Speaker 3: what's you wearing right now? Pants and a shirt?

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Speaker 1: Okay, I've heard so many nihl on one calls from

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Speaker 1: Nicole Brown. Some of them have him beating the door down,

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Speaker 1: screaming at her, trying to just get through a lot

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Speaker 3: Someone over here now, three two five, Bretton agree he

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Speaker 4: Please? Okay? What does he look?

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Speaker 3: Okay, gentleman, I think you know his record?

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Speaker 4: Be over here? Okay, what is he doing there? He's

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Speaker 4: throw him over? Wait a minute, what kind of cornby?

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Speaker 3: He's in a white Bronco broke for that story.

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Speaker 4: I'll wait a minute.

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Speaker 3: What's your name?

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Speaker 4: Okay? Is he the sports capter or whatever? Yeah? Okay,

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Speaker 4: what did you? Just wait a minute? What is he?

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Speaker 4: Jo Brettan?

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Speaker 5: He's Joe yelling at you?

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Speaker 1: To John Bueller joining us former detective adestopd. You know

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Speaker 1: him well. He is one of the elite detectives that

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Speaker 1: put Scott Peterson behind bars. Peterson behind bars tonight, having

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Speaker 1: a glass of Pruno and plotting his next appeal. Do

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Speaker 1: you hear Simpson in the background screaming and beating on

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Speaker 6: And this falls into the tail end of the domestic

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Speaker 6: violence cycle that people go through, whether they're famous or

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Speaker 6: not famous, And of course in this one there was

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Speaker 6: a lot of fame involved in it. But if you

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Speaker 6: the relationship between Nicole and Oj, he even started pushing

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Speaker 6: the problem that we run into with a charming person.

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Speaker 6: The devil walks amongst us, usually disguised in a pretty

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Speaker 1: From the beginning of that evening, before Nicole and Ron

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Speaker 1: were slaughtered in the front yard, Simpson was angry. Now

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Speaker 2: Listen, is missus Simpson kissing Denise Brown kiss mister Nitha

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Speaker 2: Brown is mister Lewis Brown was talking to a friend

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Speaker 7: After Sydney's dance recital, Nicole, the children, and her family

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Speaker 1: Not closing arguments from our friends at Court TV So

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Speaker 1: to You, Alexis Tereschuk joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter.

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Speaker 1: Alexis he was already stewing because he did not get

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Speaker 1: invited to the family dinner after Sydney's recital. That started

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Speaker 8: That was right they he wanted to go to dinner

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Speaker 8: with them. Nicole at this point was done with him.

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Speaker 8: She had been calling nine to one one over ten times.

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Speaker 8: She keeps calling. She keeps saying, you've got to come

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Speaker 8: and help me. This man is going to kill me.

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Speaker 8: He's here. He's breaking down the door. He's hitting me.

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Speaker 8: You've been here in the In one of the calls,

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Speaker 8: she's screaming. You can actually hear him hitting her. So

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Speaker 8: he she says, no, you're not coming to dinner. I'm

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Speaker 8: going with my friends and my family. She goes to dinner.

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Speaker 1: Shannon Henry joining US president founder SASS Surviving Assault Standing Strong, Shannon,

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Speaker 1: I misspoke. I said this is what started it. But

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Speaker 1: in domestic abuse, nothing that the woman, typically a woman does,

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Speaker 1: is the reason for the abuse. Him not getting invited

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Speaker 1: to dinner that night after the recital was an excuse

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Speaker 1: because the beatings, the torture, the verbal abuse, the beatings

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Speaker 1: He wanted to beat her, he wanted to kill her.

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Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with the family get together.

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Speaker 9: It has nothing to do with the family get together,

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Speaker 9: and it has everything to do with the fact that

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Speaker 9: this man was in control of her. We have to

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Speaker 9: start thinking of these victims as people that are inside

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Speaker 9: the bars are very much controlled. They are control over finances, children,

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Speaker 9: your every move, your mind, your body. They're stalking, they're intimidating,

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Speaker 9: and this was a perfect opportunity for him.

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Speaker 1: The evening progresses.

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Speaker 10: Not invited to family dinner at Mezzaluna, Simpson grabs McDonald's

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Speaker 10: with his house guest, Kaylin Cato. The pair returned to

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Speaker 10: Simpson's home around nine forty pm. Around ten forty pm,

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Speaker 10: Kaylin here's several thumps outside his room and goes to investigate,

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Speaker 7: A neighbor sees Nicoll's white Akita Cato wandering the neighborhood alone, barking, agitated,

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Speaker 7: The neighbor follows Cato to investigate, discovering Nicole and Ron's bodies.

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Speaker 1: US high profile defense attorney celebrity lawyer Chris Melcher. He

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Speaker 1: is a partner at Wallzer, Metcher and Yode. Chris, thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us. You know I've started timelines,

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Speaker 1: criminal timelines and a lot of odd ways. It can

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Speaker 1: be from a photograph. It can be from a nav

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Speaker 1: many ways to start a criminal time line. This timeline

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Speaker 1: was actually started with the dog out willing, and the

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Speaker 1: witness at trial referred to the dog as emitting a

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Speaker 1: woful cry unlike anything the neighbor had heard before, a

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean that really speaks to the horrific nature

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Speaker 11: of that crime scene, but also Nicole's nature and having

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Speaker 11: this pet that of loved her and was experiencing this

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Speaker 11: that after all of this evidence, these nine to one

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Speaker 11: It's just absolutely amazing looking back at this from so

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Speaker 10: Detectives Furman and Fanatter go to simpsons nearby home to

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Speaker 10: notify him of his wife's death. Furman sees what appears

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Speaker 10: to be bloodstains on Simpson's Ford Bronco and decides to

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Speaker 7: Around seven am, Simpson leaves home at eleven ten pm

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Speaker 7: Simpson flies back June thirteenth and is handcuffed on arrival.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's amazing to me, John Bueller, that Furman,

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Speaker 6: Even remotely, because Simpson, or correction Furman, he didn't even

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Speaker 6: But also his hopping the fence, you can take a

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Speaker 6: look at that, his exigen circumstances, he might have thought

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Speaker 6: that OJ could also be a victim. Nothing really wrong

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Speaker 6: the conclusion of it, excluding the jury's verdict, there's no

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Speaker 6: a premeditated murder that's carried out, it's going to be

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Speaker 6: But when when it comes to this case, there's nobody

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Speaker 6: was just nothing there. Everything, every arrow and dagger of

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Speaker 6: circumstantial evidence pointed right back to Oj.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out how OJ Simpson, for all

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Speaker 1: these decades managed to avoid paying the Goldmans and the

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Speaker 1: Browns any money on the multi million dollar civil verdict

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Speaker 1: against him. Let's forge forward.

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Speaker 12: Listen reporting, I'm coming up to five three weeks.

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Speaker 4: Okay, right now, we all we all okay, but you

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Speaker 4: gotta telegraph he's back off, He's still alive. He's got

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Speaker 4: everything else, Okay, everything right now, go to everything to

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Speaker 4: so that's all. That's all we have got to go

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Speaker 4: to what's your name? You know I am somebody? All right, sir?

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Speaker 1: Hold on this morning, I mean, let's get right down

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Speaker 1: Doctor Cheryl Eric joining us clinical forensic psychologists specializing in

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Speaker 1: cases just like this. Every descendant I have ever had,

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Speaker 1: without fail, the vast majority, when they skip bond, they

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Speaker 13: Yes, and we also see that this is another example

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Speaker 13: we have seen this over and over again. Power and control.

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Speaker 13: He's going to call the shots, he's going to say

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Speaker 13: I mean we remember well, this low speed chase, it

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Speaker 13: know it. These events were so devastating for the Browns

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Speaker 1: Let me understand something, John Biel or I have never

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Speaker 6: Well, you got to remember there was a pretty big

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Speaker 6: their actions are going to be scrutinized if OJ happened

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Speaker 1: In the last days, OJ Simpson absolutely spinning in hell

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Speaker 1: that through all of his conniding and scheming he managed

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Speaker 4: Are reporting I have OJ in the car, but you

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Speaker 4: gotta telegraph he's still alive. You've got to go through there. Hey,

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Speaker 1: Finally, after stonewalling for decades, Simpson's estate forced to pay

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Speaker 1: to Alexis Tereschuk, Crime Stori's investigative reporter, what happened.

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Speaker 8: After the civil trial? O. J. Simpson was ordered to

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Speaker 8: pay thirty three million dollars to Fred Goldman. He spent

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Speaker 8: over three decades not paying it.

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Speaker 8: Simpson dies and finally Malcolm Laverne, his executor of his estate,

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Speaker 8: submitted an amount. They submitted one hundred million dollars to

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Speaker 8: the judge. The judge said, I think this isn't maliciously,

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Speaker 1: Well, I believe that the Gulman family was including the

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Speaker 1: interest on what Simpson didn't pay for all those years. Listen.

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Speaker 14: The judgment for both families was thirty three and a

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Speaker 14: half million dollars split. Has he willingly paid anything?

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Speaker 13: No.

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Speaker 7: Before his death, Simpson paid just one hundred and thirty

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Speaker 7: was forced to auction his Heisman trophy for about two

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Speaker 7: to video game royalties and the unpublished book If I

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Speaker 7: Did It. The former Hall of Famer skirted payments by

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Speaker 14: Is he has had his life you over all these years,

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Speaker 1: From our friends at ABC, and there were reports Alexis

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Speaker 1: Simpson was doing that he tried to get payment from Simpson.

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Speaker 1: Because Simpson had a whole ring of cash only businesses,

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Speaker 1: were told, showed up at a couple of these signing

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Speaker 1: events where Simpson would only sign photos for stacks of money.

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Speaker 1: He would not sign anything related to the murders or

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Speaker 1: his civil conviction, none of that. He would sign things

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Speaker 8: Simpson figured out very early on that if he didn't

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Speaker 8: It was never just let's hang out with Oja as

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Speaker 8: And if he would appear on podcasts, they would pay

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Speaker 1: Chris Milcher joining US high profile celebrity lawyer and partner

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Speaker 1: at a very prestigious law firm. Chris, how did he

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Speaker 1: get away with that? I mean, we're thousands of miles

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Speaker 1: it was happening, even the gold Ones. It was happening

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Speaker 11: Well, Nancy. This is the problem in court. When you

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Speaker 11: get a judgment, it's a piece of paper and then

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Speaker 11: it's up to you to collect it. And Fred Goldman

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Speaker 11: did pursue OJ and made him kind of live in

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Speaker 11: this underground economy where he was getting cash and it

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Speaker 11: just was very difficult to collect anything. But he was

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Speaker 11: under a microscope. The NFL pensions, though, are protected under

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Speaker 1: Well, Chris, wouldn't the IRS be interested in a cash

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Speaker 1: only ring of businesses? This goes from memorabilia to launches

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Speaker 1: and dinners, to speaking events to podcasts. This guy's making

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Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Nobody can take

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Speaker 11: Well, that's absolutely right. He was not only failing to

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Speaker 11: And we're seeing that in the probate case that's being

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Speaker 11: administered here after his death, that the IRS and the

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Speaker 11: California Franchise Tax Board are creditors of OJ Simpsons. So

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Speaker 1: Wasn't just the cash for golf, Alexis Tereschuk. He had

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Speaker 1: and everything else his whole life until now, what about

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Speaker 1: his mansion in Florida and a second home in Nevada.

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Speaker 8: Seriously, so Ojsonson, after Nicole and Ron were killed, had

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Speaker 8: in order to pay for civil trials, punishments and things

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Speaker 8: like that. It's a homestead law. And he was very

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Speaker 8: He has a SAG pension the Screen Actors Guild because

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Speaker 1: Have you seen his Florida home. I'm looking at it

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Speaker 11: So unfortunately, there are protections in Florida for a home

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Speaker 1: You're seeing in the background there is Simpson, we believe,

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Speaker 8: There is a home in Nevada. You know, when he

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Speaker 8: He was allowed to stay in Nevada and he bought

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Speaker 8: He lived there, he did his daily He got a

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Speaker 8: You see, this is the Nevada home, and that's where

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at his Nevada home right now. It is

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Speaker 1: longtime friend. Five bedrooms, five and a half bathpool, hot tub,

436
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Speaker 1: putting grain, twenty minutes from the Vegas Strip. It goes

437
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Speaker 1: on and on. What I don't understand to you, John Buehler,

438
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: as how a double killer can live like this when

439
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: he should be behind bars and never paid the victims.

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Speaker 6: Well, pretty obvious flaw in the system when it comes

441
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Speaker 6: to stuff like that. I understand the laws set up

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Speaker 6: to protect people's property when they're living there the rest

443
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Speaker 6: of their life. But at the same time, it would

444
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 6: seem that something should be changed on that where he

445
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 6: should be forced to give up one of those two

446
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 6: homes to the victims' families. On this, I mean, I

447
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 6: live in one house. I wouldn't want to. But he's

448
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 6: a pretty shrewd character when he's coming up with this stuff.

449
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 6: I'm sure he had a team of pretty good lawyers

450
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 6: that were advising him on how to get away with

451
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 6: this stuff. Not only to get away with the murder,

452
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Speaker 6: but he got away with not paying for many, many years.

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Speaker 7: More than thirty one years after Simpson is found liable

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Speaker 7: for the deaths of Nicolo and Ron, Simpson's estate finally

455
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 7: agrees to pay damages to Goldman's family. Simpson's estate has

456
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Speaker 7: agreed to pay Ron's father Fred fifty eight million dollars

457
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Speaker 7: plus interest. It's unclear what spurred the change of heart.

458
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Speaker 7: Executor Malcolm Laverne previously swearing to never pay Goldman a dollar.

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Speaker 4: Okay, right now, all about you want the dollars, okay,

460
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 4: so that's all ours all. We have got a governor

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Speaker 4: the cpture find anything for you know who I am? God,

462
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 4: all right, you sure hold on this Lord.

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Speaker 1: In the last days an incredible turn of events. Simpson

464
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: must be spinning out as his estate forced to pay

465
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Speaker 1: fifty eight million dollars to his murder victim's family. Now

466
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Speaker 1: he's skated at the criminal trial. As we all recall,

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Speaker 1: I remember this, this is O. J.

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Speaker 2: Simpsons one day in court. By your decision, he controlled

469
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Speaker 2: his very life in your hands. Treated carefully, treated fairly,

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Speaker 2: Be fair. Don't be part of this continuing cover up.

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Speaker 2: Do the right thing, remembering that if it doesn't fit,

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Speaker 2: you must acquit.

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Speaker 5: In the matter of the people of the State of

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Speaker 5: California versus Orenthal James Simpson, Case number b A zero

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Speaker 5: ninety seven two one one, will the jury and the

476
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Speaker 5: ambulved and title action find the defendant or Orenthal James Simpson,

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Speaker 5: not guilty of a crime of murder in violation of

478
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Speaker 5: penal cult section one eighty seven A a felony upon

479
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Speaker 5: Nicole Brown Simpson.

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Speaker 1: That's for our friends at COURTI the FYI. They already

481
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: knew what the verdict was because the jurors had been

482
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Speaker 1: told to gather up their belongings and leave. Long story

483
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: short that was no surprise. But I guarantee you, Chris Melcher,

484
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: never ever, should a defendant be allowed to perform an

485
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Speaker 1: experiment in front of the jury that has not been

486
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: tried before. Why would the state hand over the evidence

487
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Speaker 1: and have a demonstration. Why would they allow that to happen?

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Speaker 1: And I guarantee you, Melcher, if I had been in

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Speaker 1: that courtroom, I think I could have made that glove

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Speaker 1: fit on Simpson's Virginia ham of a hand. The thing

491
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: was drenched in blood and dried out. This was a moment,

492
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Speaker 1: a turning, a pivotal moment, and I got a hand

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Speaker 1: it to Cochrane.

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Speaker 15: It worked.

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Speaker 1: This is from our friends at CNN. It worked, Melcher, Well.

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Speaker 11: It absolutely did, Nancy, And that was just a huge

497
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Speaker 11: tactical error by the prosecutor and by the trial judge,

498
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Speaker 11: because you know, this trial is a search for the truth,

499
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Speaker 11: and this courtroom experiment was designed to yield this result

500
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 11: where the glove doesn't fit because he's not making it fit.

501
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,239
Speaker 11: He's also wearing a surgical glove underneath it. And then

502
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Speaker 11: it gives us great line for Johnny Cochran to say,

503
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Speaker 11: if he doesn't fit, you must acquit, so that was

504
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 11: a pivotal moment in the case for the prosecution to

505
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 11: lose it Man big time.

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Speaker 1: But just one year later, a very different scenario.

507
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 7: One year after a civil trial begins, the families of

508
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 7: Nicole and Ron sue Simpson for wrongful deaths. The civil

509
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 7: trial lasts five months, twelve person jury finding OJ Simpson

510
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 7: responsible for the murders and awards eight point five million

511
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 7: dollars to Ron Goldman's parents and determined Simpson should pay

512
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 7: twenty five million impunitive damages to both victims families.

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Speaker 1: Crime stores With Nancy Gray, can we talk about Simpson's

514
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: failed polygraph the polygraph that was admitted at the civil trial.

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Speaker 15: You know, it's amazing, Nancy, how at a civil trial

516
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 15: you have a different a different level of what can

517
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Speaker 15: be used and what cannot be used in that actual trial.

518
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 4: So o J.

519
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 15: Simpson's polygraph test, which of course never would be in

520
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 15: a criminal trial. It gets led into the civil trial

521
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 15: and OJ Simpson flat out plunks the test, and you know,

522
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 15: it becomes a big deal because it said he deitely.

523
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, stop stop stop, Dave Matt, did you

524
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: say he flunks? That would bring to mind a zero

525
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: at worst Dave mac you are certainly airbrushing the truth.

526
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: You're putting perfume on the pig. He didn't make a zero,

527
00:32:54,880 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: He made a negative twenty four. Please, you're the investigative reporter.

528
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: Why am I feeding you the facts? A negative twenty four?

529
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: That's how badly he lied.

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Speaker 15: It was considered definitively deceptive, and it was a secret

531
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Speaker 15: lie detector test that he took two days after the

532
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Speaker 15: murders took place. As you mentioned, on a scale where

533
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Speaker 15: a minus six score indicates border line deception, his was

534
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 15: way beyond that and intodefinite deception. And his answers to

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Speaker 15: questions surrounding the killings of Nicole and Rod.

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Speaker 1: Chris Melcher civil and criminal celebrity lawyer. Of course, unless

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Speaker 1: both parties stipulate to a polygraph ahead of time before

538
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: the polly is taken, pollies are not allowed. Lie detectors

539
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: are not allowed in criminal trials for the most part,

540
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: across our country. Civil cases are a far different matter. Now,

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Speaker 1: did you hear what Dave Max said. He mentioned a

542
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Speaker 1: subtle but important distinction. He stated that this polly on

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Speaker 1: which Simpson made a negative twenty four worse than a zero.

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Speaker 1: It was a private polygraph. What does that mean? That

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Speaker 1: means it was a defense polygraph. The state would have

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Speaker 1: sent him to a state recognized polygrapher, one that they

547
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: use all the time. I think you would agree with that.

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00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: So this is a private polygraph. And even with the

549
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: defense making up the questions and administering softball questions to Simpson,

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00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: he failed. He did worse than failing. He went into

551
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: negative double digits. That's how badly he lied. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I know, Johnny Cochrane, God rest his soul. He had

553
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: Simpson ready, the defense had him ready to take that

554
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: polly and he still failed. That's like knowing the questions

555
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: on the tap Melcher and still failing.

556
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 11: That's right, I mean, because he was guilty. And also

557
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 11: I'm just really surprised that they even allowed him or

558
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 11: even thought about taking a polygraph test because they didn't

559
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 11: bear any burden at the criminal trial and to expose

560
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 11: him to any statements or any testing. I'm just again

561
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 11: really surprised that any attorney would think that he would

562
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 11: pass this thing. But obviously he didn't. And the civil

563
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 11: jury got it right, the criminal jury got it wrong.

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Speaker 1: Hey, you know what, Dave Mack, I'm thinking about it,

565
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: and Cochrane didn't join the defense team until later. So

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Speaker 1: I guarantee you if Cochran had been there at that moment,

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Speaker 1: there is no way in h L he would have

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00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: let Simpson take a polly. Now, granted, under Brady the Maryland,

569
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Speaker 1: let's put it in a nutshell, Melcher Brady the Maryland,

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Speaker 1: the state must hand over for all exculpatory evidence to

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Speaker 1: the defense. A Brady violation is when the state fails

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00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: to do that for whatever reason. However, if the defense

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Speaker 1: has something damning against their own client, they do not

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Speaker 1: have to hand it over to the state.

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Speaker 11: Well, that's right. And because the criminal defendant OJ in

576
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 11: this case bears no burden, he has a right to

577
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Speaker 11: remain silent. He doesn't have to produce evidence against himself

578
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Speaker 11: unless it's physical evidence of a crime that's in his possession.

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Speaker 11: So they can do these tests like a polygraph test,

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Speaker 11: just to see internally like how he might fare. But

581
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 11: it's the prosecution that has the burden to turn over

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Speaker 11: exculpatory or evidence that potentially could lead to him being

583
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Speaker 11: not guilty, because that's just fair. Otherwise we could end

584
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Speaker 11: up convicting someone who's factually innocent.

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Speaker 1: And I tell you what I think happened, Chris. I

586
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: think that for the civil trial, the plaintiffs, who would

587
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: be the Goldmans in the Browns, you know, filed their

588
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: motion for discovery and they got the results of the

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00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: polly that he failed. That's how they got it because

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Speaker 1: this was a defense polly. It was not a plaintiff's

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Speaker 1: or a state polly. So they had to get it

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Speaker 1: through discovery or they found out about it and subpoenaed it.

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Speaker 1: But however they got it, they got it, and that

594
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Speaker 1: had a lot to do with the civil verdict which

595
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: we're talking about today because tonight, while O. J. Simpson

596
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: is having supper with Satan and buil Zebub, you know,

597
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: he is pod technical legal term that his estate is

598
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Speaker 1: paying out fifty eight million dollars when he swore he swore,

599
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Speaker 1: dare I say on the Bible he would never pay

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Speaker 1: the victim's family, never regarding the polly. That's not all,

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Speaker 1: Dave Mac. Do you remember the quote, his words, not mine,

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Speaker 1: Dave Mac. The ugly ass bread molly shoes that were

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Speaker 1: believed to have been worn to night of the murders,

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Speaker 1: based on a distinctive shoe pattern found in blood. Remember

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Speaker 1: the brunomalis he swore he didn't own. Remember that what happened,

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Speaker 1: Dave Nancy.

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Speaker 15: These are size twelve Bruno Molly's shoes. They're actually the

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Speaker 15: Lorenzo model shoe that was found in the blood at

609
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Speaker 15: the crime scene. OJ tore up and down under oath.

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Speaker 14: He didn't own them.

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Speaker 15: I don't have those shoes. I don't know what you're

612
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 15: talking about. However, during the trial civil trial, there's photographs

613
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Speaker 15: of Simpson wearing the same type of Bruno Molly's shoes

614
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 15: that was found the footprint of in the blood. Now

615
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 15: here's the key on the Bruno Molly's. They're a rare shoe.

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Speaker 15: There were only two hundred and ninety nine pairs of

617
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Speaker 15: size twelve Bruno Molly's even sold in the United States

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Speaker 15: at the time, and him claiming that these are ugly

619
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Speaker 15: ass shoes, doesn't own them and wouldn't wear them. And

620
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Speaker 15: then they bought the pictures up there and it actually

621
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Speaker 15: showed him on the sidelines of a Buffalo Bills game

622
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Speaker 15: where he's standing out there as a celebrity, and there

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Speaker 15: he is wearing the Bruno molly shoes that he swears

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Speaker 15: he doesn't own.

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Speaker 1: And doesn't wear like every good lawyer, Attorney Petricelli, if

626
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Speaker 1: you remember that name, Chris Melcher laid a trap and

627
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: Simpson walked right into it. He asked again under oath

628
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Speaker 1: about the Bruno Molly shoes, and of course Simpson lied.

629
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Speaker 1: Then he produced a photo I believe it came from

630
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Speaker 1: the Inquirer magazine. That photoed Simpson walking along the sidelines,

631
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Speaker 1: hands in his pockets, happy as anything, wearing the shoes.

632
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Speaker 1: And they are Italian luxury footwear. Who could afford those?

633
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: Oj Simpson? And there he was busted. The civil jury

634
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: was sitting there listening to this and fell out.

635
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Speaker 11: There was so much evidence pointing towards his guilt that

636
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Speaker 11: being one of them. What are the chances that there

637
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Speaker 11: is some homicidal person here in the West side of

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Speaker 11: Los Angeles is wearing these expensive Italian loafers and then

639
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Speaker 11: connecting it the way that it happened here in the

640
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 11: civil case, again, we're seeing different evidence, a different jury,

641
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Speaker 11: a different standard of proof, but this civil jury understanding it,

642
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 11: and the criminal jury and again we were all there,

643
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 11: we saw this outcome, and it's just so unbelievable that

644
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 11: the criminal jury just was led astray and thinking that

645
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 11: he was not guilty A photo.

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Speaker 1: Of Simpson in the murder shoes. Now, what I don't understand, Chris,

647
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: is why that was not introduced at the criminal trial.

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00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm assuming that that the prosecution did not have

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Speaker 11: the evidence of the photographs showing.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 11: And we also have to remember that thirty years ago

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Speaker 11: is a lot different than today. If they were a

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Speaker 11: prosecution happening today, there is an overwhelming amount of evidence

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Speaker 11: on social media, and we have what citizen journalists or

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Speaker 11: people who are concerned your listeners would be scouring somebody

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Speaker 11: Ojay's social media page if this case was happening right

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Speaker 11: now and finding that evidence and sending it to detectives

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Speaker 11: or the prosecution team. And this is an extension, a

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Speaker 11: community extension of the prosecution by getting that evidence and

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Speaker 11: showing it. But thirty years ago, we didn't have that money.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure they family of the murder victims appreciate it,

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Speaker 1: even though it's decades late, and his cold comfort in

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Speaker 1: exchange for a lifetime without Ron and Nicole, we remember

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Speaker 1: an American hero, Officer Mark Brock Vivian, PD, Louisiana, twenty five,

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Speaker 1: shot in the line of duty, leaving behind a grieving

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Speaker 1: fiancee American hero officer Mark Brock. Nancy Grace signing off

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Speaker 1: Goodbye SCAT