WEBVTT - Algo-Rhythm Is A Bad Dancer (with Michael Christmas) 0:00:02.200 --> 0:00:06.040 Yeah, there's there's a couple of day smooths that I've seen. Um, 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:10.280 somebody this wild ship the day I can't remember girl, 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:14.480 A little bit of this left, but the listeners at home, 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:19.360 he meant it, he really is. He's taking it straight today. Yeah, 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:22.960 because it wasn't like that much left. Like it wasn't 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:46.240 that much love. It's half a bottom ship, racist money stuff. 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:53.640 I can't tell me. Yep, yep, yep. There it is. 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:57.800 There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another phenomenal 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:01.520 episode of My Mama Told Me, the podcast where we 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:05.480 dive deep, deep into the pockets of black conspiracy theories 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:09.520 and we finally work to prove that the p Intaj 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:13.800 p Henson stands for boy don't play with me. You 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:16.800 know that's what that p is for. You know, Toraj 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:20.920 is saying something sassy from start to finishing that goddamn name. 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:22.800 And we love you to rise, you big fan. If 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:24.679 you ever want to come here and talk some bullshit, 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:28.880 you're welcome this. Sometimes the conspiracies that I spread about 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:32.240 people are harmless. I think this is a pretty harmless one. Sometimes, 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:36.160 like us people of murder and mayhem, But mostly, you know, 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:38.600 you run out and you just make fun of names 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:41.200 and ships. Sup. We're hoping that this is gonna be 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:46.000 a murder conspiracy that I can believe all days. Well, 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:52.640 I'm sorry to disappoint. I guess at least brutality murder 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:58.840 that's actually a pretty good one. Quille O'Neill, for those 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:02.000 of you that don't know, did volunteer after his NBA 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:06.720 career to become a sheriff and and I guess brutalized 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:10.280 the local people in his community. And the possibility that 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:15.360 Shaquille O'Neill killed someone seems pretty high. Yeah, for sure, 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:19.280 he's seven ft eighteen, there's no question with the gun. 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:24.840 He's RoboCop Bro's. Yeah, he's also not a sheriff anymore. So. 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:29.320 It feels like some sort of dishonorable discharged situation, right 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:31.200 because they didn't give him like a medal of honor 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:35.920 when he retired from it feels like he crushed someone's 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:38.640 skull like a great and then they were just like, hey, Shack, 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:40.280 you can't come back here no more. Man. He was 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:44.720 acting like Batman. Yeah, and Bro, we're big fans of 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:47.640 your work, but this ain't gonna work out. You gotta 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:52.320 leave man, you can't knock and take ahead. Well, this 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:55.080 is we've really broken the fourth wall here. We we 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:57.840 didn't do the intro the way intros are meant to 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:00.400 be done, but fuck it, we'll do it live. My 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:05.239 guest today, he's phenomenal. He's an amazing musician, talented artist, 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:07.840 he's a comedian of sorts. He does all this ship. 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:10.080 I love him. Please give it up for my guest, 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:16.360 Mr Michael christ Man. I'm drinking what we're talking about. 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:23.959 What a bold way to come back. Hell yeah, I'm 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:27.280 I'm so excited you're here because you came with a 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:33.480 conspiracy theory that I think I bought into. Like I don't. 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:37.440 I don't know that I've done enough research to know 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:40.440 for sure. But I saw it and I was like, 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:44.600 this guy is saying something. This is this is legit. 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.400 I've been thinking about it and it's it feels like 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:51.960 it has like a level of legitimacy to it. And 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:54.880 I won't hold it up. You said, my mama told 0:03:55.000 --> 0:04:07.800 me tis secretly trying to make black people bad at dancing. Yes, bro, Yes, 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:10.920 I've had this thought for a long time to like this. 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:15.160 It's it's really kismet that you happen to have a 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:17.760 podcast where you talk about ship like this with no 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:22.520 facts if necessary, because I'm like, man, what a perfect 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:24.920 platform for me to come and discuss how I feel 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:28.880 about this. Yeah, and I should let our our listeners 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:31.960 know that you were You were so enthusiastic about it 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:33.720 that you hit me up and you were like, dog, 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:36.600 I'm sitting on something, what's up? And I was already 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:39.039 thinking about having you as a guest, but then once 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:42.960 you hit me with the conspiracy theory, it felt like, oh, 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:47.760 we have to do this now immediately. Yes, thank you 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:50.960 for allowing me. Yes, TikTok is secretly trying to make 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:54.160 trying to make people black people bad at dancing. Bro, 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:57.839 I see the signs, So tell me more. Give me 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:01.239 the full breakdown of where you discovered the what's making 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:04.800 you feel that way. Let's let's really dive in deep here. Okay. 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:08.960 I think what it started this whole thought process was like, 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:13.799 I know you've seen them now, The TikTok dances all arms. 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:16.919 You know what I'm saying. It's all very stiff boom 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:23.279 pop boo. It's like the mediocre cheerleading squad level of dancing. 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:27.520 But these dances are becoming so popular that now you're 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:30.839 seeing like adults do them because they're popular and you 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:34.160 can get fuse off. So now people are incorporating them. 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:36.280 And when you spend so much time doing this little 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:39.039 stupid ass move, this move get you get used to it, 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:41.000 and then you go outside and then you go to 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:43.200 the club and some good ship is playing and you 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:47.640 start doing TikTok dances. Now now it's spreading right now 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:50.800 all the kids. The kids are on what TikTok? So 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:53.640 our children are growing up with no rhythm. It's it's 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:56.560 it's just it's a massive wipe out and and it 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:59.680 speaks to bigger things. But to start, yes, we're gonna 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:01.719 be bad to dancing if you don't get it together. 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:04.279 I like what you're saying because it reminds me of 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:06.360 a video I saw and it was probably like a 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:10.000 year ago where Jason Derulo I think, was in Vegas 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:13.960 and he was performing and he had like an ensemble 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:19.520 of bad bitches standing beside him while he performed TikTok dances, 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:21.719 and it was a bunch of adults in the crowd 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:26.480 being like, is this naked doing TikTok dancers like you 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:33.440 do regular dance, Jason bro It's not like Jason Derulo 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:37.560 is a bad dancer. He's a pretty good dancer. He's 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:40.360 a fucking loser in a lot of ways, but he's 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:43.359 a god. He's a great fighter, and he's a great dancer. 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:45.320 He's a winner in a lot of ways too. That's 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:48.760 the that part about Jason Derulo. I would love to 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:53.599 hate on Jason Derulo, but then Jason Derulo pull up. Yeah, listen, 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:56.800 I would not say that to Jason Derulo's face. That 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:59.720 motherfucker is big for no reason. I'm trying to go away, 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:03.360 Jameson and the Rulo about to go and well you 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:07.800 gotta start doing TikTok dances in public exactly selling my 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:11.560 soul and see it. But to that point, it was 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:15.000 a a very visceral reaction from the crowd of being like, 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:19.200 this is bad dancing in person. I'm sure whatever it 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:23.040 looks like on the internet is a different conversation, but objectively, 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:25.880 it looks terrible when you're just standing in front of us, 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:29.040 like you said, moving elbows and arms instead of the 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:32.080 thing is it's meant for kids. These challenges are for 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:34.560 eight year olds to do during spring break when they're 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:37.800 at the crib. They're not They're not to be done 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:41.120 by grown people with you know what I'm saying. But 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:43.600 they get you so many views that you as a 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:46.520 fucking forty year old nurse and like, on my break, 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:48.640 I'm about to try to get my TikTok numbers up 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.440 and then boom, now you're hitting that ship, you know, 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:55.480 looking crazy. If somebody's walking by and seeing that, do 0:07:55.600 --> 0:08:00.560 you think that that this because I I honestly I 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:03.200 feel like this question is almost jumping ahead of where 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:05.760 we're at. But I'm curious because you're talking about it. 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:11.000 Do you think this is an unbeatable challenge? Not to 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:13.640 to make it a pun and ship, but like, is 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:16.600 this is this an unbeatable challenge being presented in front 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:19.520 of us where we are, no matter what, going to 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:23.840 end up becoming bad dancers because of TikTok culture. It's 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:26.960 tough to say. On the one hand, yes, you can 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:30.480 get hell of views by doing these awful dances. You 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:32.760 don't need to do anything else, would do exactly what 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:35.079 they did in the other video, and you're just gonna 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:39.360 pick up steam. On the flip side, what it really 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:42.960 is is about, like this is stuff we're supposed to 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:44.880 know how to do right. All these good dance moves 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:48.640 that we do have, the wobble, the electric slide. This 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:51.480 is stuff that like I don't remember how I learned it, 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:56.160 but I knew it. So partially we have to combat 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:59.360 this with teaching people dances because even you see our TikTok, 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:01.800 they're jerking now, they're trying to lean with it, rock 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:04.080 with and doing our dances from when I was a kid, 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:07.439 and they're not doing them right either. So it's like 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:11.320 it's like, raise your kids. You need where where's the 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:14.760 Casper slide? Man? We need a part part four, Part five. 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:19.199 You gotta save the community. We need the DJs at 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:22.800 the basketball birthday parties to come out and to do 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:24.880 with the trends. You know what I'm saying. And he's him, 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:28.600 he's hitting moves. Bobby Brown used to do dance moves. 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:31.480 That's what we need more of. But you know, anybody, 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:34.120 everybody's looking at their phones. Nobody wants to. Nobody wants 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:36.680 to use their legs. You got to use your Nobody 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:39.320 wants to. All these videos are waste up. They don't 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:41.120 even know that you could do ship with your legs 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:48.800 because it's all waste s up on it. So, Okay, 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:53.600 you're seeing this, you you are, You're recognizing a problem 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:58.000 that's happening. Are you now hitting the streets. Are you 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:01.080 becoming a prophet of this truth? Are you indifferent to 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:04.120 this this sort of like wave that's taking over? Do 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:06.520 you know what I mean? I feel like the Hughey 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:10.559 Freeman of this in the sense that nobody else really 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:14.920 feels me the way I feel me on this saying 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:18.160 like nobody thinks that there's a devastating effect in the 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:20.760 future to this. It's just like the kids doing dances, 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.319 you know what I'm saying, but that adults are doing 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:25.000 the dances though, And I don't have a problem with 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:29.520 adults dancing either. The problem is you look silly, and 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:31.760 you're gonna make your kids look silly and twenty years 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:34.480 and they're like, remember twenty years ago and this was 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:37.640 the move. You know, it's just not you know, we 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:40.640 whatever to Also, it doesn't matter, And I will say, 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:42.920 take that gives a lot of access to other ship 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:45.400 I didn't know, like how to put on toilet paper 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:47.720 rolls easy and stupid and ship like that. That stuff 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:51.880 is extremely helpful. But yeah, the dancing it's gonna cause 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:54.120 it's gonna it's a ripple effect, you know, it's a 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:57.280 it's snowball effect. Well, that's that's I think at the 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:59.160 core of the question I want to ask you is 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:01.880 what do you think the ultimate ripple effect is? If 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:05.120 this is full butterfly effect, where are you seeing this 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:09.880 little like you know, wing flap ultimately landing the avalanche. 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:14.160 I think part of my big worry is also rooted 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:16.080 in the fact that this may also just be a 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:20.640 thing that happens to every generation where I'm worried that 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:24.280 erasure is about to happen to the things or like 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:28.079 washing it or like cornballing the things that I'm used 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:30.600 to and the things that I know. And then I realized, 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:33.079 like Brome, I just like an old head, is that 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:35.880 was actually the issue? Or you know what I'm saying. 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:37.280 And then you started to think, damn. When I was 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:39.720 listening to like you know and my parents thought it 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:42.439 was whack? Was it whack? And He's like, nah, it 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:45.640 wasn't wet, But like, yeah, that's the thing. Is like 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:47.400 part of me is like it's a racier and part 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:50.680 of me is like I'm overreacting and it's just me 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:53.800 getting older and not understanding. Well, that was my fear 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:57.480 when I because I immediately, like I said, latched onto 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:00.880 this being a a possible truth. But then another part 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:06.000 of me was like, man, you you're the kids dad. 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:11.160 You're truly an old man yelling about your blood. If 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:14.600 this is where your heart lives, Like maybe they're bad 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:17.560 at dancing or maybe they're fucking phenomenal at dancing, and 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:20.040 I'll never find out because I'm not doing the arm moves, 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:21.760 you know what I mean. Like this might be the 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:25.640 hardest arm hard is moves that anybody can do, and 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:28.720 I'm truly not I'm so much a coward i won't 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:31.800 even try it. They're not they're not hard, but we 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:33.480 can try it if you want. But they're not hard. 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:35.400 I can see that they're not hard because I had 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:37.880 to learn how to jerk and heel toe and do 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.320 ship like that stuff that was very difficult to do. 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:42.600 And that's all. That's all I want, Just some like 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:45.880 the last dance that I think that was created that 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:49.160 was cool. It was like the shoot dance that like 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:51.720 a black dude that like a black person at the 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:55.920 crib in his neighborhood. You know, I'm saying broke with 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:58.680 the homies made that dancing ain't got big And that's 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:01.760 a part of it too. It's like the organic ship 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.280 like these what you know what I'm saying, who's coming 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:06.040 up with this? And how's it happening? You know what 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:09.280 I'm saying, like pose to Alright, So what I'll say 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:13.720 is that, uh, that sideways moonwalk thing that's that's circulating 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:17.040 that ship is hard fun with that sadeways moonwalk. I 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:21.400 think there are dances out there that I do. Go, okay, 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:23.959 listen to your point. There's a chance that people are 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:27.600 still striving to make cool stuff and like add to 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:31.320 the culture. The frustrating part of it becomes how much 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:35.240 of that is being I guess sort of buried under 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:39.640 a bunch of other sort of like bullshit. Yeah. Well, 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:42.079 one thing that made me feel like the official oldest 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:44.880 nigga around the other day was like this dance moved 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:48.080 the Gritty and the Memphis Grizzlies simply John Muren hit 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:51.000 the hole every time they win a game, and somebody 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:53.040 put a video but Michael Jackson, I don't remember which 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:55.240 Michael Jackson video is, but he's doing that ship all 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:57.880 through the village just sucking. It was like, damn, Michael 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:01.000 Jackson was hitting the gritty early. Either he's a time 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:04.240 traveler or he invented all the dance moves, and like 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:07.920 he invented all the dance moves and he did all 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:09.720 of them. If you see if you see it tomorrow 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:12.440 and you've never seen it before, you've seen Mike doing still. Yeah, 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:16.280 we're just all doing variations of things Mike did. And 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:18.080 he was like, I'm not gonna keep doing that. That's 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:20.680 not the problem is I'm mad niggas is not doing 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:24.200 Michael Jackson stuff. No more like trying to dance like 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:25.880 Michael Jackson. I don't know if you want to end 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:29.400 that sentence where you ended that sentence, Nick starn't doing 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:36.880 Michael Jackson stuff. I don't know. We all my mama 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:41.600 told me, I'm mad Nick is not doing Michael Jackson. 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:45.960 What a way to go into a commercial break. I 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.120 love it. We're gonna take a break. We'll be back 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:50.600 with more Michael Christmas and more, my mama told me. 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:08.760 And we are back. Yeah, we're back here with more 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:11.560 Michael Christmas more. My mama told me. We're still talking 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:17.720 about the possibility that TikTok is destroying the black dances. 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:21.760 It's taking dance culture away from our our black youth 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:25.320 and really families and and and society as a whole. 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:29.920 Do you think that there is, I guess, a way 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:34.280 to to introduce the legs to TikTok. Is there a 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:37.560 way that we can start to make this more of 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:41.440 of a reassessment of what is valuable on these apps? 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:45.240 I think I don't have the research on this, I 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:49.160 didn't do any but I feel I feel like there 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:52.000 are a lot of black creators on TikTok who, for 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:55.760 whatever reasons, are not being pushed to the forefront. That's 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:58.000 That's one if I was actually gonna walk up to 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:01.720 the doors and be like hey he Aside from that, 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:06.320 I think the main issue is the leveling of the 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:09.640 dancing playing field. You know what I'm saying. TikTok will 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:12.320 have you believe we all can dance at the same level. 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:15.760 This is incorrect. Niggas is dancing. They ask off in 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:17.640 other places, but you'll never see it because they're not 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:21.400 the cracking this niggas on TikTok. Yeah, so it's interesting 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:25.520 that that's that that's your interpretation because it aligns pretty 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:28.320 well with a lot of what I read about sort 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:30.920 of like what's happening with TikTok. There there are a 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:34.240 crazy amount of articles the people who are very angry 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:37.600 at TikTok or at least assessing what's happening in TikTok, 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:41.160 not just in terms of dance but also music as 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:43.640 a whole. They're real worried about what TikTok is doing 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:48.120 to the music industry and to dance culture. Yeah, yeah, 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:49.920 and that's the That's the other thing I think, aside 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:52.160 from like the old head of Ratio theme is like 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:54.640 it is scary to think that, bro. Like like the 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:57.800 video of Shorty repping with the bud light that went viral, 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:00.920 I don't know. I still I still didn't actually watched 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:03.240 the video for real. I just keep seeing it moving 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:05.640 all my timeline and being like, I'm about to watch this, 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:08.639 but she knew all the words. It went up because 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:11.480 she knew all the words, and like that level of like, 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:16.280 that's not impressive. It's not impressive. But then on the 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:20.200 other end, I do think we create this dangerous space 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:24.159 where we then go, bitch, that's not impressive. You we 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:26.720 shouldn't celebrate this and it's like, yeah, but you're just 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:29.800 telling everybody to go watch the motherfucker when you do 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:33.920 that exactly exactly, And that's my kind of my point 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:35.960 is like the pumping, because you know what I'm saying, 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:38.639 TikTok is the I think probably the number one have 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:42.280 to get followers and used you follow, you follow the 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:44.840 trend and you get followers and views, you know what 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:47.400 I'm saying, And everybody can't spend on the goddamn hit 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:54.360 what you're saying everybody, But what everybody and understand I'm 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:59.520 saying everybody can do is these whack dances, which gives 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:03.199 at playing field the level it needs to put the 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:06.240 hump over people who are actually very talented. And to 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:09.560 the original point you were making, which I think is 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:12.120 one that a lot of these articles sort of address, 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:16.560 is that everybody can do these dances, but TikTok intentionally 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:22.720 amplifies the voices and the dances of specific users, so 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:26.639 they are why while there are a million people learning 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:30.320 to do this ship, only eight people are truly getting 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:34.200 like the TikTok bump and saying like, yo, Addison Ray, 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:37.320 you are the face of these dances or the face 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:40.400 of these things that are very often not created by 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:44.440 the people that TikTok is choosing to amplify. And also 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:46.520 on the on the back to the petty side, like 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:49.399 I'm sick of hearing really good songs get remixed like 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:52.800 five six songs in because of a challenge, like I 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:57.560 want to hear DMX do it, God damn it, yeah, 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:05.959 kick yeah, yeah, don't let me enjoy the song that 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:09.639 it was meant to actually be. Fuck you know what? 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:12.359 Really and this I did not think about this until 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:15.720 this conversation, but it reminds me a lot of like, uh, 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:20.440 that Harlem shake ship. I was going to say, that's 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:23.840 the beginning of this, yeah, of all of this is 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:27.560 that that's the first thing where black young people from 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:30.440 the hood create something and then it's a phrase. But 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:33.840 when you go google Harlem shake, it's not is not 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:37.359 gonna come up. None of them boys that were killing 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:41.240 it in that video are involved anymore going to come up. 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:45.119 And that's what's happening to like everything, And what bugs me, 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:48.560 I think, especially with that one, is that like literally 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:51.600 it has nothing to do with the Harlem shake, you 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:53.840 know what I mean? Like there is if you were 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:57.680 if you were fucking using a bad boy song. If 0:19:57.720 --> 0:20:00.520 you were like you even using elements of the thing 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:04.280 that made the thing, then maybe there's a level of 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:06.560 this that I can negotiate with. I don't want to, 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:09.080 but I can hear it out. But it truly was 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:12.080 them just being like, we're gonna use the words you 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:15.480 like and then make a completely different thing that has 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:18.119 nothing to do with it. Yeah, I'm saying and and 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:22.240 it's all you know, my spiraling and the thought process 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:24.480 of this brought me to like thinking about damn like 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:28.800 people using my god damn vernacular, taking the songs that 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:30.720 I love that I grew up with, made by people 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:32.920 that's poor because they don't even own the motherfucker's and 0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:35.199 taking them and enrich off of them because you did 0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:37.240 a dance to it in a nice little house. Like 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:39.399 you know what I'm saying, these spirrows then get me 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:42.119 the star treatment where I'm like, god damn, this is 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:44.919 all a part of the same thing. Well, no, I 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:48.080 think that's a hundred percent correct, And frankly, it's something 0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:49.959 that I I think we've talked about a little bit 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:52.680 on the podcast before, but there is now a big 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:55.800 push from from young people to say that there is 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:58.439 no longer that the way that they speak on the 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:01.560 Internet is Internet talk, and it that there is no 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:05.040 longer like ebonics or a A V. Whatever you decide 0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:08.920 to call it, like African American vernacular is gone. It's 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:13.600 just how the Internet speaks. And that's crazy. It's dangerous 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:17.680 because those small passes turn into big passes turned into 0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:19.760 you know what I'm saying, somebody being able to go 0:21:19.840 --> 0:21:23.680 put on the brownest possible shade of makeup from fucking 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:27.240 Serbia and put on curly hair and it's cool. It's 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:30.440 cool because this is just style. This isn't braids isn't 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:35.439 isn't for anybody people was wearing braids like like, guess 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:38.080 my fucking ass right, you don't need to protective. You 0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:40.600 know what the you're doing, like you know what to do. 0:21:40.880 --> 0:21:42.960 And it feels like laughing in my face. And this 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:47.080 is why it overall, just be like stop doing this 0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:51.119 ship because then it starts to spiral and I'm like, 0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:53.480 maybe I'm just a crazy nig in the house. No, 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:56.040 but I think I look, I'm a crazy nig in 0:21:56.040 --> 0:21:58.800 the different house because I I hear what you're saying 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:01.600 and it feels correct to me that like, while I 0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:04.000 don't want to be an old man yelling about young 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:06.040 people and what they should be doing with like their 0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:09.359 bodies and dances, at some point we do have to 0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:13.000 acknowledge there is a danger and just allowing culture to 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:17.520 become blanketed where like everybody can access anything at any time, 0:22:17.600 --> 0:22:20.800 because part of what makes culture matter is it is 0:22:20.840 --> 0:22:24.720 a lived experience for people that like they truly are 0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:27.000 a part of these things, like the fact that that 0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:30.159 that white girl knows little baby doesn't bug me, but 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:33.120 the idea that like, then a bunch of people are 0:22:33.200 --> 0:22:36.200 giving her some version of like a hood pass because 0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:39.920 the bitch can wrap little baby. This bich is good 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:41.919 with me wherever. And then you find out, you know 0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:44.200 when three years ago she said, and then this little 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:47.840 nigga on Twitter, and then you're like, oh no, yeah, 0:22:47.920 --> 0:22:50.000 why did I Why was I okay with this where 0:22:50.040 --> 0:22:54.080 you loved it when when light like he was a 0:22:55.600 --> 0:22:58.040 But then it's also like, yo, why do we need 0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:01.639 I don't need a new teammate. What I'm saying like, 0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:03.480 I don't. I got all the homies unkned, like I 0:23:03.480 --> 0:23:05.920 got the homies I need, And for sure, I definitely 0:23:05.920 --> 0:23:08.080 don't need somebody else coming to eat food at my 0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:10.240 fucking cookout. Like, I don't even know why that is 0:23:10.240 --> 0:23:14.720 the thing, right, Look, we have a very specific amount 0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:19.320 of food here at this cookout. Dirty dirty hamburgers, thirty 0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:24.440 how dogs, none of them. It's for you. This bitch 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:26.680 gonna come and she's gonna ask for mayonnaise. And now 0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:29.680 what now? Now where are we? You know, it's stressed 0:23:29.680 --> 0:23:33.240 me out because I don't want the kids to allow 0:23:33.320 --> 0:23:36.439 ship to slide because they think it's cool. Because we 0:23:36.480 --> 0:23:38.679 live in that world, and that's where the ultimate danger 0:23:38.840 --> 0:23:42.240 is from, is like the kids being like, no, it's cool, pup. 0:23:42.359 --> 0:23:44.720 They we all say nigga, Like that was a long 0:23:44.760 --> 0:23:48.320 time ago. It's like, no, we don't all say nigga. 0:23:48.359 --> 0:23:53.359 We all say nigga. What I'm saying. Yeah, you talked 0:23:53.359 --> 0:23:55.280 about this a little bit in the beginning, and I 0:23:55.320 --> 0:23:58.480 do think that this is a really important detail that 0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:00.679 that I don't want us to just skip over. But 0:24:00.760 --> 0:24:02.680 in the research that I was doing or the reading 0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:04.320 I was doing, one of the things that they talked 0:24:04.320 --> 0:24:06.800 about because I wanted to know why do TikTok dances 0:24:07.240 --> 0:24:10.359 look specifically the way that they do, And like you said, 0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:13.120 part of it is that the videos are shot vertically, 0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:15.200 which is the way that they have to show up 0:24:15.240 --> 0:24:18.320 for the app to look normal whatever the fun. And 0:24:18.359 --> 0:24:21.439 so because they're shot vertically and for you to be 0:24:21.480 --> 0:24:23.719 actually be able to see who the person is, they 0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:26.120 have to do it from a certain distance, which means 0:24:26.119 --> 0:24:28.720 that they have to cut off their legs. Often sometimes 0:24:28.760 --> 0:24:30.760 people figure out ways to do it where they get 0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:34.280 their whole body in it. Yeah, exactly, but for the 0:24:34.320 --> 0:24:36.320 most part, off your cell phone, you kind of have 0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:38.520 to cut off a portion of your body, which is 0:24:38.560 --> 0:24:41.160 why they isolate in the arms. And then the other 0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:43.560 detail that I think is really important, as they say 0:24:43.600 --> 0:24:46.160 that the reason that the arm movements are so sort 0:24:46.200 --> 0:24:49.359 of tight into the body is because you have to 0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:52.760 keep it inside of the frame, so you can't reach 0:24:52.800 --> 0:24:56.080 your arms all the way out extend them fully, because 0:24:56.080 --> 0:24:57.600 then they'll be out of the frame and then you 0:24:57.640 --> 0:25:00.080 don't get to see the entirety of the moves. So 0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:04.880 it really is like a very strategic structure to say, like, Yo, 0:25:05.080 --> 0:25:08.560 this is how you can dance and still make it 0:25:08.680 --> 0:25:12.840 a well crafted video. Bro. People you just said they 0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:18.920 put niggas in a box. Oh ship people, you just said, 0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:22.679 brot niggas in a box. You can't move past these parameters. 0:25:22.720 --> 0:25:24.719 And now when you're out, you're doing the same dances 0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:28.679 and you're still not moving past these parameters. WHOA all right, 0:25:29.000 --> 0:25:32.960 So that's how they get okay, yeah, that's crazy because 0:25:33.000 --> 0:25:36.840 now we're doing like yeah, fuck all right, that's put 0:25:36.920 --> 0:25:40.560 niggas in a box. There are sometimes when metaphors ain't metaphors, 0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:42.560 do you know what I mean? When they just they're 0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:48.520 just worried. It's just what happened, because your phone is 0:25:48.680 --> 0:25:51.600 it's literally what's happening. And somebody's gonna call it a 0:25:51.600 --> 0:25:55.679 beta because they don't want to process it. But come on, y'all, 0:25:56.280 --> 0:25:58.919 Michael Christmas just woke you the funk up. If niggers 0:25:58.960 --> 0:26:05.320 at home just like me, like bro, he's talking bro. 0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:08.480 So one of the things that they also talk about, 0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:11.560 and this this is something you addressed, is that because 0:26:11.560 --> 0:26:13.560 they do and some of these articles talk about the 0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:17.440 fact that the dancing is technically not always great, right 0:26:17.520 --> 0:26:19.919 that like plenty of the people who are stars on 0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:24.320 these apps are not probably great dancers per se. And 0:26:24.359 --> 0:26:26.800 one of the things that they said is that TikTok 0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:33.119 isn't about talent. Necessarily, TikTok is about enthusiasm and energy, 0:26:33.320 --> 0:26:35.199 and so one of the things that they're tracking is 0:26:35.240 --> 0:26:37.680 that the the people who are successful in the app 0:26:37.960 --> 0:26:41.919 are dressed well. They're giving off a cool vibe and energy, 0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:44.840 and that is driving people to want to see more 0:26:44.840 --> 0:26:47.080 of their videos much more than whether or not they 0:26:47.080 --> 0:26:50.160 can hit the dougie the douggist. You know what I mean. 0:26:50.640 --> 0:26:53.320 Let me say this you you sort of talked about 0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:58.720 this on another episode where you talked about Jay Hoover. Okay, yeah, yeah, TikTok. 0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:02.840 TikTok is the g men bro. It's just following the 0:27:03.000 --> 0:27:06.320 it's Abricambie and Fitch bro. It's just like, this is 0:27:06.359 --> 0:27:09.879 what we want to show, so we could get more this. Yes, 0:27:10.040 --> 0:27:13.480 And I think to that point when they say energy 0:27:13.520 --> 0:27:17.199 and they say vibes, they're selecting that energy and vibes 0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:20.040 based off of the ship that they like. Yeah, they 0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:23.040 want a nice crib right like from the sun hitting 0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:25.600 you because you've got a high apartment saying like that. 0:27:25.960 --> 0:27:28.320 There's rules to this ship. You can't be in a 0:27:28.440 --> 0:27:30.720 dark crib and being on TikTok popp and it just 0:27:30.800 --> 0:27:33.160 won't happen. Right kind of thing, you know what I'm saying, 0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:35.159 Like while doing dance moves, at least you gotta do 0:27:35.240 --> 0:27:37.440 something about why your crib is so dark in order 0:27:37.520 --> 0:27:40.520 for that ship to catch on. Yeah, and like even 0:27:40.680 --> 0:27:43.640 you know, like you hear about like, uh, these people 0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:46.960 who all like all these young sort of like internet 0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:49.520 people who like buy a place together and they live 0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:53.600 in these communes trying to to create content and ship 0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:58.040 and even that is about creating a space that kind 0:27:58.080 --> 0:28:00.359 of looks like you're staying with Diddy, do you know 0:28:00.359 --> 0:28:02.399 what I mean? Like they never are like in a 0:28:02.520 --> 0:28:07.280 fucking like hell hole. All take let's all take our 0:28:07.280 --> 0:28:10.480 five thousand dollars and get this fifty thousand dollar house. Yes, 0:28:10.920 --> 0:28:13.119 but we all just put in our our last five 0:28:13.200 --> 0:28:15.400 and then we're in here, and then we could come 0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:17.439 up off of that if we just shoot some videos 0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:20.160 by the pool every day it's like always in front 0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:24.439 of some giant uh glass like staircase or whatever. And 0:28:24.480 --> 0:28:26.879 then you're doing that and now I know you you 0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:30.240 have resources even though yeah, you got money, you got money, 0:28:30.320 --> 0:28:32.560 you you TikTok. We want to follow you and see 0:28:32.560 --> 0:28:35.640 what else you got going on exactly, Like clearly You're 0:28:35.680 --> 0:28:38.920 already benefiting from these silly dances, so why would I 0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:42.040 not continue down the train of enjoying more of yourself. 0:28:42.200 --> 0:28:44.280 Every time there's a challenge, I want to see you 0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:48.960 do it. Yes, hold on, I want to see this 0:28:49.040 --> 0:28:54.160 one like the crazy legs, like like I want to 0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:56.360 see fucking little Loosely do all the challenges. I don't 0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:58.880 want to see everybody do all the damn challenges. I 0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:01.400 read in one of the uh the articles that I 0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:04.240 was reading a person and this goes back to to 0:29:04.280 --> 0:29:07.560 your point about sort of like the taking of culture 0:29:07.600 --> 0:29:10.160 or the recreation of culture. And a person who I 0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:13.360 guess is like a TikTok dancer type person that we're 0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:17.880 talking to talking to name mood Ferris been as a mash. 0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:20.920 I don't probably fucking his name up bad, but that 0:29:20.960 --> 0:29:24.200 doesn't matter. One he doesn't mean anything to me. But 0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:27.080 he said, and I thought this was really interesting. He 0:29:27.120 --> 0:29:32.120 said that TikTok is weirdly transforming into a dance genre itself. 0:29:32.520 --> 0:29:37.040 And I think that that it It has twofold interest 0:29:37.120 --> 0:29:40.120 to me because we've already sort of addressed the fact 0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:43.480 that they are creating something that's completely of its own world. 0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:46.400 But what they also say in the article is that 0:29:46.480 --> 0:29:50.760 TikTok is still pulling from things that we recognize outside 0:29:50.760 --> 0:29:53.640 of its own genre. So it becomes a way of 0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:58.480 sort of softening everybody else's ship while still claiming, well, 0:29:58.520 --> 0:30:00.960 this is just something of its it has nothing to 0:30:01.000 --> 0:30:03.960 do with you. Well, this comes back to one of 0:30:04.040 --> 0:30:07.720 a dance I mentioned earlier and the point I had 0:30:08.000 --> 0:30:12.120 daughter before. It's like when Blackboy JB invented to shoot dance. 0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:14.920 He invented it, whether somebody else did it around him, 0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:17.520 Block what JB did it and made Vegas do it right. 0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:21.440 Fortnite took that dance and put it in their game 0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:24.880 and didn't ask Block what JB And then that was 0:30:24.920 --> 0:30:28.400 a Fortnite dance, and whether they paid that nigga after 0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:30.840 or not, and whether they gave him the credit or not, 0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:34.960 that dances a Fortnite dance now, and so anything it's 0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:37.560 like TikTok is almost like a filter or anything that 0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:40.760 passes through it just becomes TikTok. Yes, you know what 0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:43.360 I'm saying. Yeah, I think that's I think that's the 0:30:43.560 --> 0:30:46.720 perfect articulation of it. It reminds me, you know, it's 0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:50.240 push your t losing to McDonald's. You know what I'm saying, Like, 0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:55.080 it's it's it's you made the McDonald's song. The McDonald's 0:30:55.080 --> 0:30:58.720 song technically is yours, but once McDonald's has it, that's 0:30:58.760 --> 0:31:02.440 the McDonald's song. I guess McDonald's b Yeah, like you 0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:05.719 sold it to McDonald's. It's like, uh, it's like buying 0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:08.640 a beat. I'm rapper, right, I buy a beat. They 0:31:08.640 --> 0:31:10.960 can sell the exclusive rights to that beat for five 0:31:11.040 --> 0:31:13.440 hundred dollars and then you go make a hit with 0:31:13.480 --> 0:31:16.160 that ship. But like you sold the exclusive rights for 0:31:16.240 --> 0:31:19.720 five hundred dollars. Yeah, that's my it's mine now yea, yeah, 0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:23.560 that's my million dollar banger. You keep your five hundred 0:31:23.600 --> 0:31:26.800 dollars and in some ways and that's it's sad and 0:31:26.880 --> 0:31:29.320 it's fucked up. But then there's another star that you 0:31:29.400 --> 0:31:33.120 go like, well, when would I expect a major corporation 0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:36.160 to be like, you know what, we gotta do right 0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:38.520 by the little black girl that did the renegade dance. 0:31:38.640 --> 0:31:40.680 We got to make sure that she's taken care of 0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:45.200 and fed, because that doesn't service their needs in any way. Right, 0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:48.200 It's like, um, what the there was a girl who 0:31:48.280 --> 0:31:50.360 actually was doing a dance she like made it up 0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:52.200 and then like a small white girl got to do 0:31:52.240 --> 0:31:54.160 it at the All Star Game. Yeah that I think 0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:56.920 that was the Renegade ship, right, Okay, yeah, that was 0:31:57.000 --> 0:32:01.680 that ship. That was crazy bro. Right, Jimmy Fallon had 0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:06.760 literally brought Addison Ray onto fucking Uh which we're called 0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:10.760 the Tonight Show to have her do various TikTok dances, 0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:15.480 all of which belonged to different black performers and creators 0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:18.280 and all that ship. It's like the on fleet girl, Bro, 0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:20.560 This ship happens all the time and then like it 0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:23.360 just goes under the radar, Like where's on fleek? That 0:32:23.400 --> 0:32:25.960 happened a shorty, bro, because that word was applashed on 0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:28.960 everything in Forever twenty one for like a long time. 0:32:29.080 --> 0:32:31.600 So like, what how's she doing? Like you know what 0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:33.320 I'm saying, she should be living like Madam C. J. 0:32:33.440 --> 0:32:37.960 Walker Off and she fucking won't be. Yeah, you want 0:32:37.960 --> 0:32:46.040 to know about fleektek. I guess The question I do 0:32:46.160 --> 0:32:49.880 ask though myself, and I'm gonna ask you, is what 0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:53.480 would be the appropriate compensation? What would be the appropriate 0:32:53.520 --> 0:32:58.040 acknowledgement of these people's contributions? Because the reality is that 0:32:58.080 --> 0:33:00.800 girl was just talking into her phone. It's not like 0:33:00.960 --> 0:33:04.480 she sat and crafted a piece from this ship. She 0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:07.360 was just being a similibilly and hit a moment and 0:33:07.480 --> 0:33:11.200 that wave went crazy. So like, how do we actually 0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:14.560 make sure that people are getting what they deserve without 0:33:14.680 --> 0:33:18.440 overdoing it and being like nobody says this because this 0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:22.480 my long stud Tanya or whoever the funk she is. Well, 0:33:22.520 --> 0:33:26.120 I think the the thing to remember is the problem 0:33:26.240 --> 0:33:30.320 isn't people saying her word. It's Wendy's tweeting this new 0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:34.040 fucking chicken sandwich is on fleet. The original thing needs 0:33:34.080 --> 0:33:36.720 to be acknowledgement, Like whether it's a quick phrase, you know, 0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:39.040 I'm saying one of my homeboys, my DJ. He is 0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:40.680 one of the biggest memes in the world. I don't 0:33:40.680 --> 0:33:42.040 know if you ever seen the meme and the nigger 0:33:42.040 --> 0:33:44.520 in the yellow hoodie and he's doing this ship looking mad. 0:33:46.080 --> 0:33:49.040 That's my DJ. But you met him at the shop, Yes, 0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:52.800 exactly right. Niggas is on Twitter every day. That's Jock Quis, 0:33:52.840 --> 0:33:56.320 that's Quevo, that's this person, that's that person. He went 0:33:56.480 --> 0:33:59.760 and fucking made sure he got that ship and all 0:33:59.760 --> 0:34:02.200 of that so that he gets paid from that fucking meme. 0:34:02.720 --> 0:34:05.760 And I think we need to make it clear that 0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:09.239 you can do that for people, so when you hit 0:34:09.239 --> 0:34:12.080 a wave, you can jump on it immediately instead of 0:34:12.080 --> 0:34:14.239 like where the money reside. That Nigga jumped on that 0:34:14.280 --> 0:34:18.160 wave immediately, and it was his wave, you know, nobody else's. 0:34:18.160 --> 0:34:20.440 He got paid off it, he went got cool with 0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:22.319 celebrities off it. You know what I'm saying. That was 0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:24.920 his wave. But I think it's not very clear how 0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:26.719 to do that versus other people can see it and 0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:28.440 be like, oh, I can make all I gotta do 0:34:28.480 --> 0:34:30.080 is yeah, I'm gonna take that ship right now, and 0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:32.399 then they go get big off of it, bigger they 0:34:32.480 --> 0:34:35.160 monetize it. You never got the chance to even try to. 0:34:35.560 --> 0:34:38.319 And I would say this additionally, that's the corny thing 0:34:38.360 --> 0:34:41.120 that the Internet does, where they go, oh, you should 0:34:41.239 --> 0:34:44.879 just be grateful that we're celebrating you, or that you're 0:34:44.920 --> 0:34:47.600 getting the attention that you otherwise wouldn't be getting it, 0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:51.080 or you offset my life for like six months with 0:34:51.200 --> 0:34:53.680 this bullshit and then expect me to go back to 0:34:53.719 --> 0:34:55.880 living a normal life while y'all make a hell of 0:34:55.960 --> 0:34:59.000 money like that, Having a viral moment like that I've 0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:01.400 never had a viral video moment like that. I've had 0:35:01.400 --> 0:35:03.160 a couple of stupid ass tweets go up and they 0:35:03.200 --> 0:35:05.920 suck my Twitter up for days. So I can imagine 0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:08.400 having something as big as on Fleek that's sucking your 0:35:08.480 --> 0:35:10.120 life up a little bit. Whether it's a good way 0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:12.400 or a bad way, it's in the way, you know 0:35:12.400 --> 0:35:14.040 what I'm saying. You have to take a break to 0:35:14.160 --> 0:35:17.680 deal with that. In some ways, even being made a 0:35:17.760 --> 0:35:22.000 new whether whether it is like you said, good or bad, 0:35:22.280 --> 0:35:24.320 you don't get to just go back to the version 0:35:24.320 --> 0:35:26.319 of your life that it was. And then that's it's 0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:29.719 not even like y'all owe me. It's like if somebody's 0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:33.640 getting paid, then y'all owe me. Yes, if nobody was 0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:36.640 getting shipped off on Fleek and everybody just used the phrasing, 0:35:36.640 --> 0:35:38.600 it wouldn't even be an issue. But that's not the case. 0:35:38.640 --> 0:35:42.839 That became branding for some people. That became fucking commercials 0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:45.319 for a lot of people, you know what I'm saying. No, 0:35:45.440 --> 0:35:47.480 I think that's that's a hundred percent true. I think 0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:49.560 about that all the time with like you know it. 0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:51.400 I think it used to be more of a trend 0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:54.560 and now it's a little more dangerous to pull off. 0:35:54.600 --> 0:35:58.239 But like when rappers would use like internet ship for 0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:01.400 like interludes and ship and you have to wonder how 0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:05.200 many of these people are actually getting compensated for those 0:36:05.239 --> 0:36:07.279 internet things or is it just you thought it was 0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:10.080 funny you put it in your interlude and these people 0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:12.120 just sort of have to be grateful that, like, oh, 0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:15.160 they they threw me in there, you know what I mean? Right, 0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:17.880 Like I'm I'm I'm something on there real quick, you 0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:19.920 know what I'm saying. Like with me, I've used you know, 0:36:19.960 --> 0:36:22.400 I've used a million of the motherfucker's I make songs. 0:36:22.440 --> 0:36:24.120 You know what I'm saying. I want my computer, of 0:36:24.200 --> 0:36:27.360 course I got. I got a whole album about comedians 0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:31.080 that I've made about my favorite comedians. Every song starts 0:36:31.239 --> 0:36:33.960 and ends with some ship I pulled from YouTube, you know, 0:36:34.120 --> 0:36:36.440 saying like that's just what that is. But there's a 0:36:36.480 --> 0:36:38.239 reason for it, you know what I'm saying. And on 0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:40.160 top of that, I reach out to a lot of 0:36:40.200 --> 0:36:43.680 these motherfucker's that I try to involve to be like, yo, 0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:46.520 you want to do a sketch on here or something 0:36:46.520 --> 0:36:48.120 like I want to miss the hospital to do some 0:36:48.160 --> 0:36:50.560 ship I've reached out to about to do some ship. 0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:52.759 You know what I'm saying, Uh, Nick COLLETTI We never 0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:55.120 used it, but on my second album reached out to 0:36:55.200 --> 0:36:57.160 Nick COLLETTI had to make a bunch of joke phone 0:36:57.160 --> 0:37:00.520 calls for it. Like I find the people, they're there, 0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:02.959 and they're they're willing to listen, you know what I'm saying, 0:37:02.960 --> 0:37:04.759 And they're not about to Like I realized a lot 0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:07.120 of people are willing to work and for like a 0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:11.000 realistic price or for something real because everybody's bullshitting all day. 0:37:11.120 --> 0:37:13.440 But I think to that point, it truly is just 0:37:13.840 --> 0:37:16.960 acknowledge me, dog, you know what I mean, Like like 0:37:17.000 --> 0:37:20.600 you said, acknowledge that that I made a contribution to 0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:25.080 the grander cultural imprint. And if you acknowledge that, and 0:37:25.120 --> 0:37:27.759 if you compensate that, knowing that you are going to 0:37:27.840 --> 0:37:32.880 also be compensated, then if you out bag me, I 0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:34.959 I had fun, you know what I mean? Like I 0:37:34.960 --> 0:37:37.879 I'm truly not at least and again I can only 0:37:37.880 --> 0:37:41.160 speak for myself. I'm not terrified of somebody becoming a 0:37:41.160 --> 0:37:44.480 millionaire off of some ship I said. I'm more terrified 0:37:44.520 --> 0:37:48.320 of them truly, like pretending as if I don't exist 0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:51.400 while be exactly there off of my ship because again 0:37:51.520 --> 0:37:54.319 it's it's it's not a it's a principal thing. Bro, 0:37:54.440 --> 0:37:57.200 It's like I'm here, like I did that. You know, 0:37:57.320 --> 0:38:01.719 I'm saying I did that like so like and so like, 0:38:01.800 --> 0:38:04.920 you know, I think about Craig Mac. Somebody's gonna make 0:38:04.920 --> 0:38:08.440 a pup and ask Craig Mac TikTok remix and Craig 0:38:08.520 --> 0:38:11.080 Mac ain't seeing bred off making his music and how 0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:14.160 long you know what I'm saying, And it's gonna be huge, 0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:18.840 Like that's frustrating. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you think this, 0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:22.239 this accountability is something that we are going to have 0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:25.719 to fight for for other people because it seems like 0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:28.960 at a certain point, either people don't have the resources 0:38:29.120 --> 0:38:31.799 or the the Internet doesn't give enough of a funk, 0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:34.760 like you're talking about Craig Mac, and I can't imagine 0:38:34.800 --> 0:38:36.840 there's about to be like a big wave of people 0:38:36.880 --> 0:38:40.160 being like justice for Craig Mac. We Craig Mac made 0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:43.719 this song. You guys, gotta nobody's gonna give a fuck, 0:38:43.880 --> 0:38:45.640 you know what I mean? If we're being truly honest, 0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:47.920 and is that fair? No? Is it right? No? But 0:38:48.040 --> 0:38:50.880 that's the reality of where we're at. So like, is 0:38:50.920 --> 0:38:54.359 that then something where like we as artists are gonna 0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:56.719 have to step in and be like, yo, I don't 0:38:56.760 --> 0:38:58.120 want to be a part of this or I'm not 0:38:58.160 --> 0:39:01.160 gonna do this unless we gotta jumping We gotta jump 0:39:01.160 --> 0:39:03.440 in on this stuff faster. That's the other thing, is 0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:06.320 like they need to acknowledge faster, and if they don't, 0:39:06.440 --> 0:39:11.000 we need to acknowledge the problem faster and as a 0:39:11.080 --> 0:39:14.640 bigger unit. Because this is you know, it's small potatoes. 0:39:14.680 --> 0:39:17.600 Now you said something, it got cracking and somebody else 0:39:17.640 --> 0:39:20.400 made a meal. You made eight dollars. Yeah, that's trash. 0:39:20.520 --> 0:39:23.960 But that's again slippery slopan to deal with it. Deal 0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:25.880 with it, deal with it, deal with it, deal with it. 0:39:26.280 --> 0:39:28.440 And now you just gotta deal with it. Like you 0:39:28.480 --> 0:39:31.279 know what I'm saying. It's just like it's it's not 0:39:31.400 --> 0:39:37.280 cool to race things people have done because it doesn't 0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:42.120 matter to you what I'm saying. Yeah, it matters to somebody, 0:39:42.160 --> 0:39:44.800 and that's that's why we're here in the first nigga 0:39:45.120 --> 0:39:51.759 g depth matters to me what I'm saying. Yeah, I'm 0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:54.239 little boys with them big ass church and chains. I 0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:58.759 love them. Yes, God damn it, flavor in your end. 0:40:00.320 --> 0:40:02.040 We're gonna take one more break. We'll be back with 0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:13.680 more Michael Christmas and more, my mama told me. And 0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:24.680 we are back speak Hell yeah, We're back here with 0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:27.080 more Michael Christmas, more, my mama told me. We're still 0:40:27.120 --> 0:40:33.080 talking about the possibility that TikTok is destroying homes, specifically 0:40:33.120 --> 0:40:37.160 black homes with ship dances that are making grandma's disappointed 0:40:37.200 --> 0:40:41.280 in their grandchildren, grandfathers. They lower their heads, they say, 0:40:41.400 --> 0:40:44.000 I welcome to Menia. Sooner if it's gonna make me 0:40:44.040 --> 0:40:46.879 forget about this bullshit that I gotta see my grandchild. 0:40:46.920 --> 0:40:50.359 Do do you think I guess this is going back 0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:54.480 to the larger question. Do you feel like this is 0:40:54.520 --> 0:40:57.799 a feeling that other generations have had to deal with? 0:40:58.080 --> 0:41:01.239 Like were they looking at the whist and being like that, 0:41:01.320 --> 0:41:07.000 ain't that ain't dancing? This is this is trash in whatever. 0:41:08.400 --> 0:41:13.239 I can only point to the post nineties because I 0:41:13.280 --> 0:41:17.200 was born in ninety four, and everything that came out 0:41:17.280 --> 0:41:19.600 when I was a kid was an issue to the 0:41:19.719 --> 0:41:24.680 people older than me. Always jerking was an issue land 0:41:24.719 --> 0:41:27.239 with a rock with it that was kind of a 0:41:27.280 --> 0:41:30.640 silly dance walking out. But at the same time, these 0:41:30.719 --> 0:41:35.080 dances were all being done way more than like the 0:41:35.520 --> 0:41:38.759 mats dances of right now slash like progressively, like I 0:41:38.800 --> 0:41:41.719 think the Soldier Boys when older, older people stopped doing 0:41:45.239 --> 0:41:47.239 like Okay, well he'll tell I can, He'll tell I 0:41:47.280 --> 0:41:49.160 can walk it out, I can check a noodle suit, 0:41:49.239 --> 0:41:53.239 but like hitting a choreograph dance move, which is exactly 0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:56.600 the problem now. I also think the part of the 0:41:56.640 --> 0:42:00.360 problem was that Soldier Boy was the face of the product, 0:42:00.800 --> 0:42:04.319 and for older people it felt like, all right, what 0:42:04.400 --> 0:42:06.440 are we what game is this? Now? Do you know 0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:10.960 what I mean? Like all respective, But but he is not. 0:42:11.200 --> 0:42:13.960 If you're an older person in that generation, you're not 0:42:14.000 --> 0:42:16.200 looking at this and being like, now that's a man 0:42:16.239 --> 0:42:20.440 I'll take seriously. Yeah no. And luckily I was a 0:42:20.520 --> 0:42:22.520 kid when Soldier Boy came out, so I got to 0:42:22.680 --> 0:42:27.080 enjoy every year of Soldier Boys started uninterrupted while just 0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:29.520 being hated on about older folks that don't get it. 0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:33.640 But I'm grown now and I funk with the Soldier 0:42:33.680 --> 0:42:37.880 Boys still, like I think every dance from then it's good, 0:42:37.920 --> 0:42:39.880 I think, is there's something I'm not about to do. 0:42:39.960 --> 0:42:41.799 I don't want to do to cup the shuffle like 0:42:41.880 --> 0:42:45.080 ever again if possible, Like you know what I'm saying. 0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:47.600 But otherwise, like and you know what, when I was 0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:49.040 a kid, I went to camp and I don't know 0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:51.400 if you've ever heard the song Cotton I Joe. Yeah, 0:42:51.440 --> 0:42:53.760 I know Cotton I Joe. Do you know the dance? 0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:55.760 I don't know what anymore, but there was a dance. 0:42:55.800 --> 0:43:00.279 It was like front step, front step. Yeah, yeah, them 0:43:00.480 --> 0:43:05.120 that bullshit. That's that's what TikTok dances look like. Yeah yeah, 0:43:05.160 --> 0:43:08.080 but but that's what they will also say that you 0:43:08.120 --> 0:43:10.920 get in those groups and you see motherfucker's doing Cotton 0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:12.879 I Joe and you're like, goddamn, they look like they're 0:43:12.880 --> 0:43:15.480 having a good time. They do look like they're having 0:43:15.480 --> 0:43:18.200 a good time, for sure. The group was ten year 0:43:18.200 --> 0:43:21.000 olds across the board, but it did look like you 0:43:21.080 --> 0:43:23.759 were having a good headtime for sure. But again it 0:43:23.800 --> 0:43:25.520 goes back to what we were saying. You have to 0:43:25.560 --> 0:43:28.160 strike a balance right where it's like, I am not 0:43:28.280 --> 0:43:32.600 at all interested in taking the fun away from anybody, 0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:35.279 Like I do want every generation to have their ship, 0:43:35.440 --> 0:43:38.040 have their fun. I'm not I don't want to be 0:43:38.080 --> 0:43:41.440 the person that stops it at the same time, let's 0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:44.200 just figure out a way to make your fun not 0:43:44.320 --> 0:43:50.879 feel like it's destroying valuable like uh, just generations of 0:43:50.880 --> 0:43:54.440 of work that we've done. Yeah, and and again, Like 0:43:54.520 --> 0:43:57.799 the the issue really for me, like this is all 0:43:57.840 --> 0:43:59.919 an agenda for me to dig a lot deeper into 0:44:00.000 --> 0:44:04.160 how my things are going away without you know, anybody, 0:44:04.200 --> 0:44:08.400 anybody's approval from the blacks. You know what I'm saying, 0:44:08.480 --> 0:44:12.560 Like like, where where is the most depth in the 0:44:12.600 --> 0:44:17.920 red suit with the curly hair on Chappelle's show to delegate, bro, 0:44:18.040 --> 0:44:21.000 we need a delegator, we need delegate everybody. Just let's 0:44:21.000 --> 0:44:23.880 just slide goddamn Tim McGraw or whoever. Then it was 0:44:23.880 --> 0:44:26.479 on the song a little Dirk just doing whatever after 0:44:26.480 --> 0:44:30.200 he just got finished saying Nigga somewhere else like hey, hey, 0:44:30.239 --> 0:44:34.440 somebody regulates this ship man, And that's what That is 0:44:34.480 --> 0:44:37.320 the part that I think I often find myself feeling 0:44:37.360 --> 0:44:40.000 frustrated with because I don't want to find myself blaming 0:44:40.040 --> 0:44:43.799 black people, right Like I want to be not that 0:44:43.920 --> 0:44:47.239 dude who's like Nigga's y'all, y'all should have done something. 0:44:47.239 --> 0:44:50.680 But it's like Lebron, don't do that. Don't do that, 0:44:51.000 --> 0:44:52.839 you know what I mean? Like when you did you know, 0:44:52.960 --> 0:44:56.280 when you do the fucking Harlem shake ship, you're truly 0:44:56.360 --> 0:44:59.400 just doing it for views and you're not considering the 0:44:59.440 --> 0:45:02.840 fact that you were a kid. Miami kids is gonna 0:45:02.880 --> 0:45:05.000 love this, Like, bro, you know what I'm saying, Just 0:45:05.040 --> 0:45:07.799 throw the move in there at least just to be like, 0:45:08.160 --> 0:45:10.920 I see it. I see that's the thing. That's what 0:45:11.000 --> 0:45:13.360 it feels like. It's it feels like as it's always 0:45:13.400 --> 0:45:15.799 felt like this as a black person in America. It 0:45:15.800 --> 0:45:18.479 always felt like when I make contact with another black 0:45:18.480 --> 0:45:21.440 person that we are thinking the same thing. For the 0:45:21.520 --> 0:45:23.640 most part, we have the same ideas, we know what 0:45:23.760 --> 0:45:26.280 it is. And it's starting to feel just less overall, 0:45:26.360 --> 0:45:28.719 like we know what it is as a unit. Yes, 0:45:28.880 --> 0:45:30.640 I don't want to lose I just don't want to 0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:33.319 lose us all knowing what it is when we get there, No, 0:45:33.440 --> 0:45:36.240 And I think it got even weirder because then there's 0:45:36.280 --> 0:45:39.640 that wave that we hit where it became cool to 0:45:39.680 --> 0:45:43.239 be like, I don't think like other black people think 0:45:43.400 --> 0:45:45.560 like I'm not trapped in the same you know, Kanye 0:45:45.680 --> 0:45:48.239 did it, Chance did it where they were like, yeah, 0:45:48.160 --> 0:45:50.359 why do we have to be like that. It's like 0:45:50.560 --> 0:45:53.839 you don't have to be but come on, but come on, 0:45:54.640 --> 0:45:56.520 but you know what it is because because for one 0:45:57.040 --> 0:45:59.120 and this isn't to come out here or a chance 0:45:59.200 --> 0:46:01.239 or anybody in PARTICU dealer. But when you do that, 0:46:01.600 --> 0:46:05.160 do not get in trouble or do anything else and 0:46:05.200 --> 0:46:07.359 then expect nigga's to come give you a big old 0:46:07.400 --> 0:46:13.560 hook b because we're not gonna do it. Bro. Maybe 0:46:13.600 --> 0:46:16.520 you said you don't eat coligreenes, you don't eat coligreens 0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:22.600 different and you got it. Show me how different handles 0:46:22.960 --> 0:46:32.640 frustrating situations turn around and die. Yeah, we'll make it value. 0:46:33.520 --> 0:46:36.640 So I guess the last question that sort of has 0:46:36.680 --> 0:46:40.920 been living in this for me is I wonder and 0:46:41.000 --> 0:46:43.200 I do think that this is the scary thing with 0:46:43.239 --> 0:46:45.960 this situation, right is I think that part of the 0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:48.360 problem that we're facing is that there is too much 0:46:48.960 --> 0:46:52.759 of everything all the time, and so we were inevitably 0:46:52.840 --> 0:46:56.080 going to find ourselves getting worse at stuff because we 0:46:56.280 --> 0:46:59.440 just have to keep making more stuff. Do what I mean, Like, 0:46:59.480 --> 0:47:02.239 there's no a for eight it's fucking loose steel Ball 0:47:02.760 --> 0:47:07.640 trying to stuff the chocolates and I love Lucy. Eventually 0:47:07.680 --> 0:47:10.160 there's just too much, so you're gonna do a ship job. 0:47:10.520 --> 0:47:12.640 And so I wonder I'd love to hear your thoughts 0:47:12.680 --> 0:47:15.959 of like is the truly the only way that black 0:47:15.960 --> 0:47:18.000 people can get back to being like the true like 0:47:18.160 --> 0:47:21.520 heroes of dance and culture is for the Internet to 0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:25.440 go away and we just have less stuff. No, And 0:47:25.480 --> 0:47:29.520 I think this goes back to an earlier point of acknowledgement, 0:47:29.640 --> 0:47:32.520 But this is on the level of the people in 0:47:32.560 --> 0:47:35.279 control as well as the creators, because we need to 0:47:35.360 --> 0:47:39.000 acknowledge real talent too, you know what I'm saying it 0:47:39.200 --> 0:47:42.200 we need to put things on the forefront now because 0:47:42.239 --> 0:47:44.600 they adhere to the guidelines of what we want our 0:47:44.680 --> 0:47:48.440 viewers to see, but because they're actually good yeah as well. 0:47:48.640 --> 0:47:52.400 And I think that's a problem with that platform, is 0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:55.520 that it just seems very aimed, like you just see him. 0:47:55.560 --> 0:47:57.680 Because the thing is like, you can post all the 0:47:57.719 --> 0:48:00.000 same things across your socials, you will not get more 0:48:00.000 --> 0:48:03.160 agement then you'll get on TikTok. But it's only if 0:48:03.239 --> 0:48:05.279 you do it the way TikTok wants you to do it, 0:48:05.400 --> 0:48:07.600 you know what I'm saying. And so I think just 0:48:07.800 --> 0:48:09.719 like That's what I mean by by the people who 0:48:09.719 --> 0:48:11.680 are in control is like, you know, make it fair. 0:48:11.960 --> 0:48:14.040 But also like for the people who are not in control, 0:48:14.080 --> 0:48:16.719 I think we we just need more people to be 0:48:16.960 --> 0:48:19.879 in Like when I think about my childhood, bro, even 0:48:19.920 --> 0:48:22.840 if they weren't the best role models, are black folks 0:48:22.880 --> 0:48:25.200 are in charge for real? You know what I'm saying. 0:48:25.239 --> 0:48:27.879 They said things and they stuck. You know what I'm saying. 0:48:27.920 --> 0:48:30.240 We And it's not to say that all these niggas 0:48:30.239 --> 0:48:32.360 are not good. A lot of my heroes a terrible 0:48:32.400 --> 0:48:36.200 people growing up and learning, but that's not the point. 0:48:36.239 --> 0:48:40.200 The point is having a good voice, or a good 0:48:40.239 --> 0:48:42.960 few voices to actually look to and learn from. You 0:48:42.960 --> 0:48:45.399 know what I'm saying, I gotta look. I gotta look 0:48:45.440 --> 0:48:47.359 at movies where these people who are some of them 0:48:47.440 --> 0:48:50.959 terrible people, play incredible characters that can teach me things. 0:48:51.080 --> 0:48:53.040 But there's really people out there, you know what I'm saying, 0:48:53.040 --> 0:48:55.520 who can teach me those same things. And that's you know, 0:48:55.640 --> 0:48:57.759 we need those Like niggas could be mad at they 0:48:57.760 --> 0:48:59.840 should pall all they want, but that heat he to 0:49:00.200 --> 0:49:04.759 me a lot. But like, yeah, I think about like 0:49:04.800 --> 0:49:09.840 Isaiah Washington, where it's like that is a phenomenal fucking actor. 0:49:10.160 --> 0:49:12.680 He was real good at acting. Yeah, he had a 0:49:12.680 --> 0:49:16.360 whole bunch of other problematic ship that made his relationship 0:49:16.440 --> 0:49:20.000 with with a public complicated. But at the at its core, 0:49:20.040 --> 0:49:22.319 and I think this is the point you're making. At 0:49:22.360 --> 0:49:25.760 its core, we were celebrating a person for their talents, 0:49:25.800 --> 0:49:30.000 not just their big personality or like their edginess or 0:49:30.000 --> 0:49:33.160 whatever the funk it is. And now, whether we we 0:49:33.239 --> 0:49:35.640 can control it or not, there are a lot of 0:49:35.680 --> 0:49:39.560 people that are just existing off of their personality more 0:49:39.640 --> 0:49:42.359 than an actual skill set. And until we can go 0:49:42.400 --> 0:49:45.839 back to celebrating skill sets, we're gonna be chasing our 0:49:45.880 --> 0:49:49.200 tails in this ship. I feel like our last like leader. 0:49:49.560 --> 0:49:51.560 And I'm saying because we lost a bunch at one 0:49:51.600 --> 0:49:54.760 time because of the pandemic, but our last like leader, 0:49:54.800 --> 0:49:56.880 I feel like it Nipsey hustle as far as like 0:49:56.920 --> 0:49:59.040 at least the niggas, I like, that's the type of 0:49:59.080 --> 0:50:01.160 person that I would can that are a leader? Yeah, 0:50:01.400 --> 0:50:03.799 a lot of my niggas. Because he'll say things that 0:50:03.840 --> 0:50:06.000 will resonate and make you think about your life and 0:50:06.040 --> 0:50:07.560 want to change it, you know what I'm saying. And 0:50:07.600 --> 0:50:09.960 there's not that many of those anymore. We had a 0:50:09.960 --> 0:50:12.120 lot more of those when I was a kid, for sure, 0:50:12.600 --> 0:50:15.200 Like these people that even even if they weren't doing that, 0:50:15.280 --> 0:50:18.759 like just these larger than life inaccessible personalities. And it's 0:50:18.760 --> 0:50:20.799 not to say like obviously the internet makes that a 0:50:20.800 --> 0:50:23.560 lot harder to but also these personalities are a little 0:50:23.560 --> 0:50:25.520 bit all the same now, you know what I'm saying, 0:50:25.560 --> 0:50:27.680 all ruded and kind of the same thing. We all 0:50:27.719 --> 0:50:30.399 do this, we all like this, we all go here, 0:50:30.520 --> 0:50:33.080 we all like this ship. That's how we live like this. 0:50:33.320 --> 0:50:36.239 We just need more standout personalities to take charge in 0:50:36.320 --> 0:50:40.280 the black community, thinks. And I don't know how we 0:50:40.280 --> 0:50:43.280 we make that, but I do think at least acknowledging 0:50:44.080 --> 0:50:47.920 people's skills and their goodness is a is a starting point. 0:50:48.040 --> 0:50:51.160 But we need more black comedians to be really, really 0:50:51.160 --> 0:50:54.600 famous yesterday. And that's what I mean is like you 0:50:54.640 --> 0:50:57.680 know what I'm saying. You know, eight hunted nigga. Everybody 0:50:57.760 --> 0:51:00.960 on your list of people on your cast excluding me, 0:51:01.080 --> 0:51:04.719 is a goddamn generational talent or whatever it is they do. 0:51:05.719 --> 0:51:08.120 This has been a phenomenal episode and I'm a big fan. 0:51:08.239 --> 0:51:10.680 You watch your mouth. I know these niggas. When I 0:51:10.719 --> 0:51:12.919 went to when I found your podcast just because I Google, 0:51:12.960 --> 0:51:14.480 I looked up Zach Fox and I was like, oh, 0:51:14.719 --> 0:51:17.600 this is two of my niggas right here. And I'm like, oh, 0:51:17.640 --> 0:51:19.279 this is good. Then I started looking at the list, 0:51:19.280 --> 0:51:20.680 I'm like, oh, I'm a fan of them. I'm afan 0:51:20.719 --> 0:51:23.719 of them. These niggas need to be bigger. And it's like, 0:51:23.960 --> 0:51:25.920 it's it's not them, you know what I'm saying. The 0:51:25.960 --> 0:51:29.080 talents there, the work is there, it's just the world. Yeah, 0:51:29.600 --> 0:51:32.919 it is very hard to be any version of what 0:51:32.960 --> 0:51:36.839 your talent is set up to be right that Like, 0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:40.440 you have to figure out a almost a scam sometimes 0:51:40.800 --> 0:51:43.800 to make the world see you as a talented person 0:51:43.920 --> 0:51:47.840 you may already be. And that's the scary part about 0:51:47.880 --> 0:51:51.080 all of this game. It's like, truly, we're not just 0:51:51.280 --> 0:51:53.520 figuring out how to get good at a job. We're 0:51:53.520 --> 0:51:57.240 then figuring out a way to trick someone into looking 0:51:57.280 --> 0:51:59.920 at us long enough to go, fuck, he's good at 0:52:00.040 --> 0:52:02.839 that job. It's like you gotta spend time getting real, 0:52:02.920 --> 0:52:05.279 real good at some ship. Then you've gotta straight away 0:52:05.320 --> 0:52:07.600 from that and spend time trying to figure out how 0:52:08.320 --> 0:52:10.480 to make people watch you do that ship that you're 0:52:10.520 --> 0:52:14.719 amazing at now Exactly, it's a miserables. That's part of 0:52:15.000 --> 0:52:17.640 that's part of the hustle. Yeah, that's just life in general. 0:52:17.719 --> 0:52:19.960 But I don't want that to happen to people who 0:52:20.000 --> 0:52:22.200 have like a quick strike opportunity. Some of these people 0:52:22.200 --> 0:52:25.760 are not aiming their lives towards having a viral moment 0:52:26.000 --> 0:52:28.239 or having a viral dance, you know what I'm saying. 0:52:29.280 --> 0:52:30.920 And so when they get it, I want them to 0:52:31.000 --> 0:52:34.279 keep it, yeah, saying when they get it, I want 0:52:34.280 --> 0:52:37.879 them to keep it. I always think about, um, the 0:52:37.880 --> 0:52:41.080 the lady that uh ain't nobody got time for that? 0:52:41.080 --> 0:52:44.640 That that late bro, what's upwhere her? Well, I'll say this, 0:52:44.800 --> 0:52:46.920 and this is I think a little bit of a 0:52:46.960 --> 0:52:50.160 hopeful ending for for what we've been talking about. Is 0:52:50.600 --> 0:52:54.560 she was a lady struggling with drugs. She was in 0:52:54.600 --> 0:52:58.919 a fire and then got went viral, and she capitalized 0:52:58.920 --> 0:53:02.720 on that moment her teeth fixed and then did fucking 0:53:02.920 --> 0:53:06.359 commercials for the dentists that fixed her teeth and got 0:53:06.360 --> 0:53:08.400 paid off the ship. And I don't know if she 0:53:08.520 --> 0:53:11.080 was able to like to modify it beyond that point, 0:53:11.360 --> 0:53:14.120 but I do think that even that is a beautiful 0:53:14.360 --> 0:53:18.319 sort of like, okay, this is correct for what she 0:53:18.480 --> 0:53:21.600 offered us. She became a meme that we all enjoyed. 0:53:21.880 --> 0:53:24.680 If nothing else, let this lady have some new teeth 0:53:24.800 --> 0:53:27.320 and some money to be able to like move forward 0:53:27.719 --> 0:53:31.319 however she chooses. Yeah, yeah, that's the new ship. Bro. 0:53:31.400 --> 0:53:33.040 If you get like, if you have a viral moment, 0:53:33.080 --> 0:53:35.080 you should give you, like whatever, the two things you 0:53:35.120 --> 0:53:39.279 need most. I love that, and then you can have it, bro. 0:53:39.360 --> 0:53:42.040 Then you can put it in the Wendy's commercial, McDonald's whatever, 0:53:42.120 --> 0:53:44.120 so long, John Silvers, whatever, and they can put it 0:53:44.239 --> 0:53:47.680 go ahead. But yeah, fix my back and get me 0:53:47.840 --> 0:53:50.239 a new bed. You don't need to fix. You don't 0:53:50.239 --> 0:53:52.799 need to to set me up for life. But if 0:53:52.880 --> 0:53:55.200 you know I'm sleeping on a mattress on the floor, 0:53:55.600 --> 0:53:58.839 get me a bed frame and help me out. It's 0:53:58.880 --> 0:54:01.880 like people who go role for like having some fileship 0:54:02.040 --> 0:54:04.040 at the crib or having a file crib and they 0:54:04.040 --> 0:54:07.080 throw that ship up on Damn Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy, send 0:54:07.120 --> 0:54:11.239 that motherfucker check, bro, so they can stop doing that 0:54:13.680 --> 0:54:17.960 this show anymore. Help them, help them, bro, Like they're sad, 0:54:18.120 --> 0:54:20.040 Like I remember I've seen. I think I saw Drew 0:54:20.080 --> 0:54:22.600 Sky on a five South talking to DC Young fly In. 0:54:22.719 --> 0:54:24.600 DC Young Flyer was talking about how he didn't have 0:54:25.120 --> 0:54:28.560 the resources to shoot these big videos that King Bacha 0:54:28.680 --> 0:54:31.440 was making. He had to just show he had around him, 0:54:31.440 --> 0:54:33.799 so he was making vines of the cockroaches on his 0:54:33.880 --> 0:54:37.120 wall to which too, because Drew Ski was like, I 0:54:37.160 --> 0:54:39.200 remember that he was on VON and he was taking 0:54:39.360 --> 0:54:41.520 videos of cockroaches on your wall, and I'm like, is 0:54:41.560 --> 0:54:43.799 this nigga okay? Like we need to send in and 0:54:43.840 --> 0:54:46.359 he's like and then that was DC's response was, well, 0:54:46.400 --> 0:54:49.280 these niggas on Vaughn is making these big production movies 0:54:49.320 --> 0:54:51.400 in these six seconds. I ain't got a movie studio, 0:54:51.520 --> 0:54:54.080 I't on cameras for no explosions. So I'm using what 0:54:54.120 --> 0:54:55.719 I got, you know what I'm saying in here, And 0:54:55.760 --> 0:54:59.080 look at him. He's a super He's a goddamn superstar. Now, no, 0:54:59.160 --> 0:55:01.880 I mean it, it's crazy and like to that point, 0:55:01.960 --> 0:55:05.080 like I even you know, I'm not a person without resources, 0:55:05.160 --> 0:55:07.120 but like even just being able to put together a 0:55:07.160 --> 0:55:11.040 self tape of like yo, I need another person to 0:55:11.239 --> 0:55:13.800 be to set up a camera. I need somebody to 0:55:13.880 --> 0:55:16.760 read lines. Maybe it's that same person, but you need 0:55:17.120 --> 0:55:20.160 a level of like commitment from your community and from 0:55:20.200 --> 0:55:22.480 around you to even make that ship happen. So the 0:55:22.520 --> 0:55:26.440 fact that these dudes we're making full production, three camera 0:55:26.520 --> 0:55:30.720 productions for internet videos tells you that they were sitting 0:55:30.800 --> 0:55:34.120 on profit already, or at least sitting on a cushion 0:55:34.520 --> 0:55:36.719 that to the point that d C was making, he 0:55:36.760 --> 0:55:39.560 didn't have And unless somebody is gonna come in and 0:55:39.600 --> 0:55:41.560 be like, yo, I see a potential in him, and 0:55:41.600 --> 0:55:45.880 I'm gonna make sure he gets correctly compensated for that potential, 0:55:46.320 --> 0:55:49.840 he's just gonna be a nigga making roach video Roach videos. Bro. 0:55:49.960 --> 0:55:52.200 It's like anytime you see somebody do a quick dance 0:55:52.239 --> 0:55:55.040 move on the tail, but nobody tagged them and they 0:55:55.040 --> 0:55:57.600 weren't the posted person to post it. They were just 0:55:57.640 --> 0:56:00.279 caught doing the dance moved. Nike is never my never 0:56:00.320 --> 0:56:04.320 even know that he went viral. Well, that he changed 0:56:04.360 --> 0:56:06.399 the world a little bit, you know what I'm saying, Like, 0:56:06.480 --> 0:56:10.480 that's just crazy. You should be given something for making 0:56:10.560 --> 0:56:13.080 kids in Wisconsin do your fucking dance move while you 0:56:13.160 --> 0:56:17.360 was outside of the projects. That's just what it is, 0:56:17.960 --> 0:56:20.799 pretty straightforward two things you need. I love that. I 0:56:20.840 --> 0:56:23.799 think that's the I think that's the thesis, the real 0:56:23.840 --> 0:56:26.839 big takeaway. We can leave everybody with, Give people two 0:56:26.880 --> 0:56:29.720 things they need for the great things they need in life, 0:56:30.040 --> 0:56:33.120 for their contributions, and then do what you will or 0:56:33.160 --> 0:56:35.279 we're gonna smack you. That's the new ship, bro, we 0:56:35.600 --> 0:56:42.040 gonna start pulling up and smacking people tough. Do that? 0:56:42.320 --> 0:56:48.200 Do that dance again real quick? Yeah? All right, I 0:56:48.200 --> 0:56:50.680 think we did it. Michael, did you tell the people 0:56:50.719 --> 0:56:52.959 at home where they can find you what cool ship 0:56:53.000 --> 0:56:56.719 you have? Yeah? Man, Michael Christmas, my birthday is in 0:56:56.920 --> 0:56:59.000 like a week. That's like probably my only cool ship. 0:56:59.040 --> 0:57:02.000 But I'm gonna trying to should happen around it. Um, 0:57:02.040 --> 0:57:05.160 I got dumb music out of music, Spotify that stuff, 0:57:05.200 --> 0:57:09.160 Michael Christmas at, Michael Christmas on Instagram, making Christmas on Twitter, 0:57:09.760 --> 0:57:12.000 and yeah, go enjoy some of that. I've also been 0:57:12.080 --> 0:57:15.799 dabbling and stand up. So if you end Boston, specifically 0:57:15.920 --> 0:57:18.360 on a Wednesday night, you walk into an empty bar 0:57:18.440 --> 0:57:20.680 and see a stage I might be on. All right, 0:57:20.920 --> 0:57:23.600 well go watch Michael do stand up. More importantly, go 0:57:23.760 --> 0:57:27.680 listen to his music. It's fired. Support, support, support and 0:57:27.760 --> 0:57:31.200 As always, you can follow me at Langston Kerman all 0:57:31.240 --> 0:57:33.520 of my bullshit. I don't make no music, but yeah, 0:57:33.640 --> 0:57:39.080 it's nonsense either way. And uh, you can uh subscribe 0:57:39.120 --> 0:57:42.120 to the podcast, you can review do the thing I 0:57:42.120 --> 0:57:43.600 don't know, And if you want to send me your 0:57:43.600 --> 0:57:46.000 own conspiracy theories or drops, you can send them to 0:57:46.120 --> 0:57:50.040 my Mama pod at gmail dot com. Okay, that's it. 0:57:50.640 --> 0:58:07.000 By bit Unclela bears were racist. The Oasto player for 0:58:07.160 --> 0:58:12.680 oasting money versions of many turkey stuff in I can't 0:58:12.680 --> 0:58:13.680 tell me about