Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's a couple of day smooths that I've seen. Um,
Speaker 1: somebody this wild ship the day I can't remember girl,
Speaker 1: A little bit of this left, but the listeners at home,
Speaker 1: he meant it, he really is. He's taking it straight today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it wasn't like that much left. Like it wasn't
Speaker 1: that much love. It's half a bottom ship, racist money stuff.
Speaker 1: I can't tell me. Yep, yep, yep. There it is.
Speaker 1: There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another phenomenal
Speaker 1: episode of My Mama Told Me, the podcast where we
Speaker 1: dive deep, deep into the pockets of black conspiracy theories
Speaker 1: and we finally work to prove that the p Intaj
Speaker 1: p Henson stands for boy don't play with me. You
Speaker 1: know that's what that p is for. You know, Toraj
Speaker 1: is saying something sassy from start to finishing that goddamn name.
Speaker 1: And we love you to rise, you big fan. If
Speaker 1: you ever want to come here and talk some bullshit,
Speaker 1: you're welcome this. Sometimes the conspiracies that I spread about
Speaker 1: people are harmless. I think this is a pretty harmless one. Sometimes,
Speaker 1: like us people of murder and mayhem, But mostly, you know,
Speaker 1: you run out and you just make fun of names
Speaker 1: and ships. Sup. We're hoping that this is gonna be
Speaker 1: a murder conspiracy that I can believe all days. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to disappoint. I guess at least brutality murder
Speaker 1: that's actually a pretty good one. Quille O'Neill, for those
Speaker 1: of you that don't know, did volunteer after his NBA
Speaker 1: career to become a sheriff and and I guess brutalized
Speaker 1: the local people in his community. And the possibility that
Speaker 1: Shaquille O'Neill killed someone seems pretty high. Yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: he's seven ft eighteen, there's no question with the gun.
Speaker 1: He's RoboCop Bro's. Yeah, he's also not a sheriff anymore. So.
Speaker 1: It feels like some sort of dishonorable discharged situation, right
Speaker 1: because they didn't give him like a medal of honor
Speaker 1: when he retired from it feels like he crushed someone's
Speaker 1: skull like a great and then they were just like, hey, Shack,
Speaker 1: you can't come back here no more. Man. He was
Speaker 1: acting like Batman. Yeah, and Bro, we're big fans of
Speaker 1: your work, but this ain't gonna work out. You gotta
Speaker 1: leave man, you can't knock and take ahead. Well, this
Speaker 1: is we've really broken the fourth wall here. We we
Speaker 1: didn't do the intro the way intros are meant to
Speaker 1: be done, but fuck it, we'll do it live. My
Speaker 1: guest today, he's phenomenal. He's an amazing musician, talented artist,
Speaker 1: he's a comedian of sorts. He does all this ship.
Speaker 1: I love him. Please give it up for my guest,
Speaker 1: Mr Michael christ Man. I'm drinking what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: What a bold way to come back. Hell yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm so excited you're here because you came with a
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory that I think I bought into. Like I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I've done enough research to know
Speaker 1: for sure. But I saw it and I was like,
Speaker 1: this guy is saying something. This is this is legit.
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about it and it's it feels like
Speaker 1: it has like a level of legitimacy to it. And
Speaker 1: I won't hold it up. You said, my mama told
Speaker 1: me tis secretly trying to make black people bad at dancing. Yes, bro, Yes,
Speaker 1: I've had this thought for a long time to like this.
Speaker 1: It's it's really kismet that you happen to have a
Speaker 1: podcast where you talk about ship like this with no
Speaker 1: facts if necessary, because I'm like, man, what a perfect
Speaker 1: platform for me to come and discuss how I feel
Speaker 1: about this. Yeah, and I should let our our listeners
Speaker 1: know that you were You were so enthusiastic about it
Speaker 1: that you hit me up and you were like, dog,
Speaker 1: I'm sitting on something, what's up? And I was already
Speaker 1: thinking about having you as a guest, but then once
Speaker 1: you hit me with the conspiracy theory, it felt like, oh,
Speaker 1: we have to do this now immediately. Yes, thank you
Speaker 1: for allowing me. Yes, TikTok is secretly trying to make
Speaker 1: trying to make people black people bad at dancing. Bro,
Speaker 1: I see the signs, So tell me more. Give me
Speaker 1: the full breakdown of where you discovered the what's making
Speaker 1: you feel that way. Let's let's really dive in deep here. Okay.
Speaker 1: I think what it started this whole thought process was like,
Speaker 1: I know you've seen them now, The TikTok dances all arms.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's all very stiff boom
Speaker 1: pop boo. It's like the mediocre cheerleading squad level of dancing.
Speaker 1: But these dances are becoming so popular that now you're
Speaker 1: seeing like adults do them because they're popular and you
Speaker 1: can get fuse off. So now people are incorporating them.
Speaker 1: And when you spend so much time doing this little
Speaker 1: stupid ass move, this move get you get used to it,
Speaker 1: and then you go outside and then you go to
Speaker 1: the club and some good ship is playing and you
Speaker 1: start doing TikTok dances. Now now it's spreading right now
Speaker 1: all the kids. The kids are on what TikTok? So
Speaker 1: our children are growing up with no rhythm. It's it's
Speaker 1: it's just it's a massive wipe out and and it
Speaker 1: speaks to bigger things. But to start, yes, we're gonna
Speaker 1: be bad to dancing if you don't get it together.
Speaker 1: I like what you're saying because it reminds me of
Speaker 1: a video I saw and it was probably like a
Speaker 1: year ago where Jason Derulo I think, was in Vegas
Speaker 1: and he was performing and he had like an ensemble
Speaker 1: of bad bitches standing beside him while he performed TikTok dances,
Speaker 1: and it was a bunch of adults in the crowd
Speaker 1: being like, is this naked doing TikTok dancers like you
Speaker 1: do regular dance, Jason bro It's not like Jason Derulo
Speaker 1: is a bad dancer. He's a pretty good dancer. He's
Speaker 1: a fucking loser in a lot of ways, but he's
Speaker 1: a god. He's a great fighter, and he's a great dancer.
Speaker 1: He's a winner in a lot of ways too. That's
Speaker 1: the that part about Jason Derulo. I would love to
Speaker 1: hate on Jason Derulo, but then Jason Derulo pull up. Yeah, listen,
Speaker 1: I would not say that to Jason Derulo's face. That
Speaker 1: motherfucker is big for no reason. I'm trying to go away,
Speaker 1: Jameson and the Rulo about to go and well you
Speaker 1: gotta start doing TikTok dances in public exactly selling my
Speaker 1: soul and see it. But to that point, it was
Speaker 1: a a very visceral reaction from the crowd of being like,
Speaker 1: this is bad dancing in person. I'm sure whatever it
Speaker 1: looks like on the internet is a different conversation, but objectively,
Speaker 1: it looks terrible when you're just standing in front of us,
Speaker 1: like you said, moving elbows and arms instead of the
Speaker 1: thing is it's meant for kids. These challenges are for
Speaker 1: eight year olds to do during spring break when they're
Speaker 1: at the crib. They're not They're not to be done
Speaker 1: by grown people with you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: they get you so many views that you as a
Speaker 1: fucking forty year old nurse and like, on my break,
Speaker 1: I'm about to try to get my TikTok numbers up
Speaker 1: and then boom, now you're hitting that ship, you know,
Speaker 1: looking crazy. If somebody's walking by and seeing that, do
Speaker 1: you think that that this because I I honestly I
Speaker 1: feel like this question is almost jumping ahead of where
Speaker 1: we're at. But I'm curious because you're talking about it.
Speaker 1: Do you think this is an unbeatable challenge? Not to
Speaker 1: to make it a pun and ship, but like, is
Speaker 1: this is this an unbeatable challenge being presented in front
Speaker 1: of us where we are, no matter what, going to
Speaker 1: end up becoming bad dancers because of TikTok culture. It's
Speaker 1: tough to say. On the one hand, yes, you can
Speaker 1: get hell of views by doing these awful dances. You
Speaker 1: don't need to do anything else, would do exactly what
Speaker 1: they did in the other video, and you're just gonna
Speaker 1: pick up steam. On the flip side, what it really
Speaker 1: is is about, like this is stuff we're supposed to
Speaker 1: know how to do right. All these good dance moves
Speaker 1: that we do have, the wobble, the electric slide. This
Speaker 1: is stuff that like I don't remember how I learned it,
Speaker 1: but I knew it. So partially we have to combat
Speaker 1: this with teaching people dances because even you see our TikTok,
Speaker 1: they're jerking now, they're trying to lean with it, rock
Speaker 1: with and doing our dances from when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: and they're not doing them right either. So it's like
Speaker 1: it's like, raise your kids. You need where where's the
Speaker 1: Casper slide? Man? We need a part part four, Part five.
Speaker 1: You gotta save the community. We need the DJs at
Speaker 1: the basketball birthday parties to come out and to do
Speaker 1: with the trends. You know what I'm saying. And he's him,
Speaker 1: he's hitting moves. Bobby Brown used to do dance moves.
Speaker 1: That's what we need more of. But you know, anybody,
Speaker 1: everybody's looking at their phones. Nobody wants to. Nobody wants
Speaker 1: to use their legs. You got to use your Nobody
Speaker 1: wants to. All these videos are waste up. They don't
Speaker 1: even know that you could do ship with your legs
Speaker 1: because it's all waste s up on it. So, Okay,
Speaker 1: you're seeing this, you you are, You're recognizing a problem
Speaker 1: that's happening. Are you now hitting the streets. Are you
Speaker 1: becoming a prophet of this truth? Are you indifferent to
Speaker 1: this this sort of like wave that's taking over? Do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I feel like the Hughey
Speaker 1: Freeman of this in the sense that nobody else really
Speaker 1: feels me the way I feel me on this saying
Speaker 1: like nobody thinks that there's a devastating effect in the
Speaker 1: future to this. It's just like the kids doing dances,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, but that adults are doing
Speaker 1: the dances though, And I don't have a problem with
Speaker 1: adults dancing either. The problem is you look silly, and
Speaker 1: you're gonna make your kids look silly and twenty years
Speaker 1: and they're like, remember twenty years ago and this was
Speaker 1: the move. You know, it's just not you know, we
Speaker 1: whatever to Also, it doesn't matter, And I will say,
Speaker 1: take that gives a lot of access to other ship
Speaker 1: I didn't know, like how to put on toilet paper
Speaker 1: rolls easy and stupid and ship like that. That stuff
Speaker 1: is extremely helpful. But yeah, the dancing it's gonna cause
Speaker 1: it's gonna it's a ripple effect, you know, it's a
Speaker 1: it's snowball effect. Well, that's that's I think at the
Speaker 1: core of the question I want to ask you is
Speaker 1: what do you think the ultimate ripple effect is? If
Speaker 1: this is full butterfly effect, where are you seeing this
Speaker 1: little like you know, wing flap ultimately landing the avalanche.
Speaker 1: I think part of my big worry is also rooted
Speaker 1: in the fact that this may also just be a
Speaker 1: thing that happens to every generation where I'm worried that
Speaker 1: erasure is about to happen to the things or like
Speaker 1: washing it or like cornballing the things that I'm used
Speaker 1: to and the things that I know. And then I realized,
Speaker 1: like Brome, I just like an old head, is that
Speaker 1: was actually the issue? Or you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And then you started to think, damn. When I was
Speaker 1: listening to like you know and my parents thought it
Speaker 1: was whack? Was it whack? And He's like, nah, it
Speaker 1: wasn't wet, But like, yeah, that's the thing. Is like
Speaker 1: part of me is like it's a racier and part
Speaker 1: of me is like I'm overreacting and it's just me
Speaker 1: getting older and not understanding. Well, that was my fear
Speaker 1: when I because I immediately, like I said, latched onto
Speaker 1: this being a a possible truth. But then another part
Speaker 1: of me was like, man, you you're the kids dad.
Speaker 1: You're truly an old man yelling about your blood. If
Speaker 1: this is where your heart lives, Like maybe they're bad
Speaker 1: at dancing or maybe they're fucking phenomenal at dancing, and
Speaker 1: I'll never find out because I'm not doing the arm moves,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like this might be the
Speaker 1: hardest arm hard is moves that anybody can do, and
Speaker 1: I'm truly not I'm so much a coward i won't
Speaker 1: even try it. They're not they're not hard, but we
Speaker 1: can try it if you want. But they're not hard.
Speaker 1: I can see that they're not hard because I had
Speaker 1: to learn how to jerk and heel toe and do
Speaker 1: ship like that stuff that was very difficult to do.
Speaker 1: And that's all. That's all I want, Just some like
Speaker 1: the last dance that I think that was created that
Speaker 1: was cool. It was like the shoot dance that like
Speaker 1: a black dude that like a black person at the
Speaker 1: crib in his neighborhood. You know, I'm saying broke with
Speaker 1: the homies made that dancing ain't got big And that's
Speaker 1: a part of it too. It's like the organic ship
Speaker 1: like these what you know what I'm saying, who's coming
Speaker 1: up with this? And how's it happening? You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like pose to Alright, So what I'll say
Speaker 1: is that, uh, that sideways moonwalk thing that's that's circulating
Speaker 1: that ship is hard fun with that sadeways moonwalk. I
Speaker 1: think there are dances out there that I do. Go, okay,
Speaker 1: listen to your point. There's a chance that people are
Speaker 1: still striving to make cool stuff and like add to
Speaker 1: the culture. The frustrating part of it becomes how much
Speaker 1: of that is being I guess sort of buried under
Speaker 1: a bunch of other sort of like bullshit. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: one thing that made me feel like the official oldest
Speaker 1: nigga around the other day was like this dance moved
Speaker 1: the Gritty and the Memphis Grizzlies simply John Muren hit
Speaker 1: the hole every time they win a game, and somebody
Speaker 1: put a video but Michael Jackson, I don't remember which
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson video is, but he's doing that ship all
Speaker 1: through the village just sucking. It was like, damn, Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson was hitting the gritty early. Either he's a time
Speaker 1: traveler or he invented all the dance moves, and like
Speaker 1: he invented all the dance moves and he did all
Speaker 1: of them. If you see if you see it tomorrow
Speaker 1: and you've never seen it before, you've seen Mike doing still. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're just all doing variations of things Mike did. And
Speaker 1: he was like, I'm not gonna keep doing that. That's
Speaker 1: not the problem is I'm mad niggas is not doing
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson stuff. No more like trying to dance like
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson. I don't know if you want to end
Speaker 1: that sentence where you ended that sentence, Nick starn't doing
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson stuff. I don't know. We all my mama
Speaker 1: told me, I'm mad Nick is not doing Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: What a way to go into a commercial break. I
Speaker 1: love it. We're gonna take a break. We'll be back
Speaker 1: with more Michael Christmas and more, my mama told me.
Speaker 1: And we are back. Yeah, we're back here with more
Speaker 1: Michael Christmas more. My mama told me. We're still talking
Speaker 1: about the possibility that TikTok is destroying the black dances.
Speaker 1: It's taking dance culture away from our our black youth
Speaker 1: and really families and and and society as a whole.
Speaker 1: Do you think that there is, I guess, a way
Speaker 1: to to introduce the legs to TikTok. Is there a
Speaker 1: way that we can start to make this more of
Speaker 1: of a reassessment of what is valuable on these apps?
Speaker 1: I think I don't have the research on this, I
Speaker 1: didn't do any but I feel I feel like there
Speaker 1: are a lot of black creators on TikTok who, for
Speaker 1: whatever reasons, are not being pushed to the forefront. That's
Speaker 1: That's one if I was actually gonna walk up to
Speaker 1: the doors and be like hey he Aside from that,
Speaker 1: I think the main issue is the leveling of the
Speaker 1: dancing playing field. You know what I'm saying. TikTok will
Speaker 1: have you believe we all can dance at the same level.
Speaker 1: This is incorrect. Niggas is dancing. They ask off in
Speaker 1: other places, but you'll never see it because they're not
Speaker 1: the cracking this niggas on TikTok. Yeah, so it's interesting
Speaker 1: that that's that that's your interpretation because it aligns pretty
Speaker 1: well with a lot of what I read about sort
Speaker 1: of like what's happening with TikTok. There there are a
Speaker 1: crazy amount of articles the people who are very angry
Speaker 1: at TikTok or at least assessing what's happening in TikTok,
Speaker 1: not just in terms of dance but also music as
Speaker 1: a whole. They're real worried about what TikTok is doing
Speaker 1: to the music industry and to dance culture. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's the That's the other thing I think, aside
Speaker 1: from like the old head of Ratio theme is like
Speaker 1: it is scary to think that, bro. Like like the
Speaker 1: video of Shorty repping with the bud light that went viral,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I still I still didn't actually watched
Speaker 1: the video for real. I just keep seeing it moving
Speaker 1: all my timeline and being like, I'm about to watch this,
Speaker 1: but she knew all the words. It went up because
Speaker 1: she knew all the words, and like that level of like,
Speaker 1: that's not impressive. It's not impressive. But then on the
Speaker 1: other end, I do think we create this dangerous space
Speaker 1: where we then go, bitch, that's not impressive. You we
Speaker 1: shouldn't celebrate this and it's like, yeah, but you're just
Speaker 1: telling everybody to go watch the motherfucker when you do
Speaker 1: that exactly exactly, And that's my kind of my point
Speaker 1: is like the pumping, because you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: TikTok is the I think probably the number one have
Speaker 1: to get followers and used you follow, you follow the
Speaker 1: trend and you get followers and views, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And everybody can't spend on the goddamn hit
Speaker 1: what you're saying everybody, But what everybody and understand I'm
Speaker 1: saying everybody can do is these whack dances, which gives
Speaker 1: at playing field the level it needs to put the
Speaker 1: hump over people who are actually very talented. And to
Speaker 1: the original point you were making, which I think is
Speaker 1: one that a lot of these articles sort of address,
Speaker 1: is that everybody can do these dances, but TikTok intentionally
Speaker 1: amplifies the voices and the dances of specific users, so
Speaker 1: they are why while there are a million people learning
Speaker 1: to do this ship, only eight people are truly getting
Speaker 1: like the TikTok bump and saying like, yo, Addison Ray,
Speaker 1: you are the face of these dances or the face
Speaker 1: of these things that are very often not created by
Speaker 1: the people that TikTok is choosing to amplify. And also
Speaker 1: on the on the back to the petty side, like
Speaker 1: I'm sick of hearing really good songs get remixed like
Speaker 1: five six songs in because of a challenge, like I
Speaker 1: want to hear DMX do it, God damn it, yeah,
Speaker 1: kick yeah, yeah, don't let me enjoy the song that
Speaker 1: it was meant to actually be. Fuck you know what?
Speaker 1: Really and this I did not think about this until
Speaker 1: this conversation, but it reminds me a lot of like, uh,
Speaker 1: that Harlem shake ship. I was going to say, that's
Speaker 1: the beginning of this, yeah, of all of this is
Speaker 1: that that's the first thing where black young people from
Speaker 1: the hood create something and then it's a phrase. But
Speaker 1: when you go google Harlem shake, it's not is not
Speaker 1: gonna come up. None of them boys that were killing
Speaker 1: it in that video are involved anymore going to come up.
Speaker 1: And that's what's happening to like everything, And what bugs me,
Speaker 1: I think, especially with that one, is that like literally
Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with the Harlem shake, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like there is if you were
Speaker 1: if you were fucking using a bad boy song. If
Speaker 1: you were like you even using elements of the thing
Speaker 1: that made the thing, then maybe there's a level of
Speaker 1: this that I can negotiate with. I don't want to,
Speaker 1: but I can hear it out. But it truly was
Speaker 1: them just being like, we're gonna use the words you
Speaker 1: like and then make a completely different thing that has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with it. Yeah, I'm saying and and
Speaker 1: it's all you know, my spiraling and the thought process
Speaker 1: of this brought me to like thinking about damn like
Speaker 1: people using my god damn vernacular, taking the songs that
Speaker 1: I love that I grew up with, made by people
Speaker 1: that's poor because they don't even own the motherfucker's and
Speaker 1: taking them and enrich off of them because you did
Speaker 1: a dance to it in a nice little house. Like
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, these spirrows then get me
Speaker 1: the star treatment where I'm like, god damn, this is
Speaker 1: all a part of the same thing. Well, no, I
Speaker 1: think that's a hundred percent correct, And frankly, it's something
Speaker 1: that I I think we've talked about a little bit
Speaker 1: on the podcast before, but there is now a big
Speaker 1: push from from young people to say that there is
Speaker 1: no longer that the way that they speak on the
Speaker 1: Internet is Internet talk, and it that there is no
Speaker 1: longer like ebonics or a A V. Whatever you decide
Speaker 1: to call it, like African American vernacular is gone. It's
Speaker 1: just how the Internet speaks. And that's crazy. It's dangerous
Speaker 1: because those small passes turn into big passes turned into
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, somebody being able to go
Speaker 1: put on the brownest possible shade of makeup from fucking
Speaker 1: Serbia and put on curly hair and it's cool. It's
Speaker 1: cool because this is just style. This isn't braids isn't
Speaker 1: isn't for anybody people was wearing braids like like, guess
Speaker 1: my fucking ass right, you don't need to protective. You
Speaker 1: know what the you're doing, like you know what to do.
Speaker 1: And it feels like laughing in my face. And this
Speaker 1: is why it overall, just be like stop doing this
Speaker 1: ship because then it starts to spiral and I'm like,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm just a crazy nig in the house. No,
Speaker 1: but I think I look, I'm a crazy nig in
Speaker 1: the different house because I I hear what you're saying
Speaker 1: and it feels correct to me that like, while I
Speaker 1: don't want to be an old man yelling about young
Speaker 1: people and what they should be doing with like their
Speaker 1: bodies and dances, at some point we do have to
Speaker 1: acknowledge there is a danger and just allowing culture to
Speaker 1: become blanketed where like everybody can access anything at any time,
Speaker 1: because part of what makes culture matter is it is
Speaker 1: a lived experience for people that like they truly are
Speaker 1: a part of these things, like the fact that that
Speaker 1: that white girl knows little baby doesn't bug me, but
Speaker 1: the idea that like, then a bunch of people are
Speaker 1: giving her some version of like a hood pass because
Speaker 1: the bitch can wrap little baby. This bich is good
Speaker 1: with me wherever. And then you find out, you know
Speaker 1: when three years ago she said, and then this little
Speaker 1: nigga on Twitter, and then you're like, oh no, yeah,
Speaker 1: why did I Why was I okay with this where
Speaker 1: you loved it when when light like he was a
Speaker 1: But then it's also like, yo, why do we need
Speaker 1: I don't need a new teammate. What I'm saying like,
Speaker 1: I don't. I got all the homies unkned, like I
Speaker 1: got the homies I need, And for sure, I definitely
Speaker 1: don't need somebody else coming to eat food at my
Speaker 1: fucking cookout. Like, I don't even know why that is
Speaker 1: the thing, right, Look, we have a very specific amount
Speaker 1: of food here at this cookout. Dirty dirty hamburgers, thirty
Speaker 1: how dogs, none of them. It's for you. This bitch
Speaker 1: gonna come and she's gonna ask for mayonnaise. And now
Speaker 1: what now? Now where are we? You know, it's stressed
Speaker 1: me out because I don't want the kids to allow
Speaker 1: ship to slide because they think it's cool. Because we
Speaker 1: live in that world, and that's where the ultimate danger
Speaker 1: is from, is like the kids being like, no, it's cool, pup.
Speaker 1: They we all say nigga, Like that was a long
Speaker 1: time ago. It's like, no, we don't all say nigga.
Speaker 1: We all say nigga. What I'm saying. Yeah, you talked
Speaker 1: about this a little bit in the beginning, and I
Speaker 1: do think that this is a really important detail that
Speaker 1: that I don't want us to just skip over. But
Speaker 1: in the research that I was doing or the reading
Speaker 1: I was doing, one of the things that they talked
Speaker 1: about because I wanted to know why do TikTok dances
Speaker 1: look specifically the way that they do, And like you said,
Speaker 1: part of it is that the videos are shot vertically,
Speaker 1: which is the way that they have to show up
Speaker 1: for the app to look normal whatever the fun. And
Speaker 1: so because they're shot vertically and for you to be
Speaker 1: actually be able to see who the person is, they
Speaker 1: have to do it from a certain distance, which means
Speaker 1: that they have to cut off their legs. Often sometimes
Speaker 1: people figure out ways to do it where they get
Speaker 1: their whole body in it. Yeah, exactly, but for the
Speaker 1: most part, off your cell phone, you kind of have
Speaker 1: to cut off a portion of your body, which is
Speaker 1: why they isolate in the arms. And then the other
Speaker 1: detail that I think is really important, as they say
Speaker 1: that the reason that the arm movements are so sort
Speaker 1: of tight into the body is because you have to
Speaker 1: keep it inside of the frame, so you can't reach
Speaker 1: your arms all the way out extend them fully, because
Speaker 1: then they'll be out of the frame and then you
Speaker 1: don't get to see the entirety of the moves. So
Speaker 1: it really is like a very strategic structure to say, like, Yo,
Speaker 1: this is how you can dance and still make it
Speaker 1: a well crafted video. Bro. People you just said they
Speaker 1: put niggas in a box. Oh ship people, you just said,
Speaker 1: brot niggas in a box. You can't move past these parameters.
Speaker 1: And now when you're out, you're doing the same dances
Speaker 1: and you're still not moving past these parameters. WHOA all right,
Speaker 1: So that's how they get okay, yeah, that's crazy because
Speaker 1: now we're doing like yeah, fuck all right, that's put
Speaker 1: niggas in a box. There are sometimes when metaphors ain't metaphors,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? When they just they're
Speaker 1: just worried. It's just what happened, because your phone is
Speaker 1: it's literally what's happening. And somebody's gonna call it a
Speaker 1: beta because they don't want to process it. But come on, y'all,
Speaker 1: Michael Christmas just woke you the funk up. If niggers
Speaker 1: at home just like me, like bro, he's talking bro.
Speaker 1: So one of the things that they also talk about,
Speaker 1: and this this is something you addressed, is that because
Speaker 1: they do and some of these articles talk about the
Speaker 1: fact that the dancing is technically not always great, right
Speaker 1: that like plenty of the people who are stars on
Speaker 1: these apps are not probably great dancers per se. And
Speaker 1: one of the things that they said is that TikTok
Speaker 1: isn't about talent. Necessarily, TikTok is about enthusiasm and energy,
Speaker 1: and so one of the things that they're tracking is
Speaker 1: that the the people who are successful in the app
Speaker 1: are dressed well. They're giving off a cool vibe and energy,
Speaker 1: and that is driving people to want to see more
Speaker 1: of their videos much more than whether or not they
Speaker 1: can hit the dougie the douggist. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Let me say this you you sort of talked about
Speaker 1: this on another episode where you talked about Jay Hoover. Okay, yeah, yeah, TikTok.
Speaker 1: TikTok is the g men bro. It's just following the
Speaker 1: it's Abricambie and Fitch bro. It's just like, this is
Speaker 1: what we want to show, so we could get more this. Yes,
Speaker 1: And I think to that point when they say energy
Speaker 1: and they say vibes, they're selecting that energy and vibes
Speaker 1: based off of the ship that they like. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: want a nice crib right like from the sun hitting
Speaker 1: you because you've got a high apartment saying like that.
Speaker 1: There's rules to this ship. You can't be in a
Speaker 1: dark crib and being on TikTok popp and it just
Speaker 1: won't happen. Right kind of thing, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like while doing dance moves, at least you gotta do
Speaker 1: something about why your crib is so dark in order
Speaker 1: for that ship to catch on. Yeah, and like even
Speaker 1: you know, like you hear about like, uh, these people
Speaker 1: who all like all these young sort of like internet
Speaker 1: people who like buy a place together and they live
Speaker 1: in these communes trying to to create content and ship
Speaker 1: and even that is about creating a space that kind
Speaker 1: of looks like you're staying with Diddy, do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like they never are like in a
Speaker 1: fucking like hell hole. All take let's all take our
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars and get this fifty thousand dollar house. Yes,
Speaker 1: but we all just put in our our last five
Speaker 1: and then we're in here, and then we could come
Speaker 1: up off of that if we just shoot some videos
Speaker 1: by the pool every day it's like always in front
Speaker 1: of some giant uh glass like staircase or whatever. And
Speaker 1: then you're doing that and now I know you you
Speaker 1: have resources even though yeah, you got money, you got money,
Speaker 1: you you TikTok. We want to follow you and see
Speaker 1: what else you got going on exactly, Like clearly You're
Speaker 1: already benefiting from these silly dances, so why would I
Speaker 1: not continue down the train of enjoying more of yourself.
Speaker 1: Every time there's a challenge, I want to see you
Speaker 1: do it. Yes, hold on, I want to see this
Speaker 1: one like the crazy legs, like like I want to
Speaker 1: see fucking little Loosely do all the challenges. I don't
Speaker 1: want to see everybody do all the damn challenges. I
Speaker 1: read in one of the uh the articles that I
Speaker 1: was reading a person and this goes back to to
Speaker 1: your point about sort of like the taking of culture
Speaker 1: or the recreation of culture. And a person who I
Speaker 1: guess is like a TikTok dancer type person that we're
Speaker 1: talking to talking to name mood Ferris been as a mash.
Speaker 1: I don't probably fucking his name up bad, but that
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. One he doesn't mean anything to me. But
Speaker 1: he said, and I thought this was really interesting. He
Speaker 1: said that TikTok is weirdly transforming into a dance genre itself.
Speaker 1: And I think that that it It has twofold interest
Speaker 1: to me because we've already sort of addressed the fact
Speaker 1: that they are creating something that's completely of its own world.
Speaker 1: But what they also say in the article is that
Speaker 1: TikTok is still pulling from things that we recognize outside
Speaker 1: of its own genre. So it becomes a way of
Speaker 1: sort of softening everybody else's ship while still claiming, well,
Speaker 1: this is just something of its it has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with you. Well, this comes back to one of
Speaker 1: a dance I mentioned earlier and the point I had
Speaker 1: daughter before. It's like when Blackboy JB invented to shoot dance.
Speaker 1: He invented it, whether somebody else did it around him,
Speaker 1: Block what JB did it and made Vegas do it right.
Speaker 1: Fortnite took that dance and put it in their game
Speaker 1: and didn't ask Block what JB And then that was
Speaker 1: a Fortnite dance, and whether they paid that nigga after
Speaker 1: or not, and whether they gave him the credit or not,
Speaker 1: that dances a Fortnite dance now, and so anything it's
Speaker 1: like TikTok is almost like a filter or anything that
Speaker 1: passes through it just becomes TikTok. Yes, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, I think that's I think that's the
Speaker 1: perfect articulation of it. It reminds me, you know, it's
Speaker 1: push your t losing to McDonald's. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's you made the McDonald's song. The McDonald's
Speaker 1: song technically is yours, but once McDonald's has it, that's
Speaker 1: the McDonald's song. I guess McDonald's b Yeah, like you
Speaker 1: sold it to McDonald's. It's like, uh, it's like buying
Speaker 1: a beat. I'm rapper, right, I buy a beat. They
Speaker 1: can sell the exclusive rights to that beat for five
Speaker 1: hundred dollars and then you go make a hit with
Speaker 1: that ship. But like you sold the exclusive rights for
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars. Yeah, that's my it's mine now yea, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my million dollar banger. You keep your five hundred
Speaker 1: dollars and in some ways and that's it's sad and
Speaker 1: it's fucked up. But then there's another star that you
Speaker 1: go like, well, when would I expect a major corporation
Speaker 1: to be like, you know what, we gotta do right
Speaker 1: by the little black girl that did the renegade dance.
Speaker 1: We got to make sure that she's taken care of
Speaker 1: and fed, because that doesn't service their needs in any way. Right,
Speaker 1: It's like, um, what the there was a girl who
Speaker 1: actually was doing a dance she like made it up
Speaker 1: and then like a small white girl got to do
Speaker 1: it at the All Star Game. Yeah that I think
Speaker 1: that was the Renegade ship, right, Okay, yeah, that was
Speaker 1: that ship. That was crazy bro. Right, Jimmy Fallon had
Speaker 1: literally brought Addison Ray onto fucking Uh which we're called
Speaker 1: the Tonight Show to have her do various TikTok dances,
Speaker 1: all of which belonged to different black performers and creators
Speaker 1: and all that ship. It's like the on fleet girl, Bro,
Speaker 1: This ship happens all the time and then like it
Speaker 1: just goes under the radar, Like where's on fleek? That
Speaker 1: happened a shorty, bro, because that word was applashed on
Speaker 1: everything in Forever twenty one for like a long time.
Speaker 1: So like, what how's she doing? Like you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, she should be living like Madam C. J.
Speaker 1: Walker Off and she fucking won't be. Yeah, you want
Speaker 1: to know about fleektek. I guess The question I do
Speaker 1: ask though myself, and I'm gonna ask you, is what
Speaker 1: would be the appropriate compensation? What would be the appropriate
Speaker 1: acknowledgement of these people's contributions? Because the reality is that
Speaker 1: girl was just talking into her phone. It's not like
Speaker 1: she sat and crafted a piece from this ship. She
Speaker 1: was just being a similibilly and hit a moment and
Speaker 1: that wave went crazy. So like, how do we actually
Speaker 1: make sure that people are getting what they deserve without
Speaker 1: overdoing it and being like nobody says this because this
Speaker 1: my long stud Tanya or whoever the funk she is. Well,
Speaker 1: I think the the thing to remember is the problem
Speaker 1: isn't people saying her word. It's Wendy's tweeting this new
Speaker 1: fucking chicken sandwich is on fleet. The original thing needs
Speaker 1: to be acknowledgement, Like whether it's a quick phrase, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm saying one of my homeboys, my DJ. He is
Speaker 1: one of the biggest memes in the world. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you ever seen the meme and the nigger
Speaker 1: in the yellow hoodie and he's doing this ship looking mad.
Speaker 1: That's my DJ. But you met him at the shop, Yes,
Speaker 1: exactly right. Niggas is on Twitter every day. That's Jock Quis,
Speaker 1: that's Quevo, that's this person, that's that person. He went
Speaker 1: and fucking made sure he got that ship and all
Speaker 1: of that so that he gets paid from that fucking meme.
Speaker 1: And I think we need to make it clear that
Speaker 1: you can do that for people, so when you hit
Speaker 1: a wave, you can jump on it immediately instead of
Speaker 1: like where the money reside. That Nigga jumped on that
Speaker 1: wave immediately, and it was his wave, you know, nobody else's.
Speaker 1: He got paid off it, he went got cool with
Speaker 1: celebrities off it. You know what I'm saying. That was
Speaker 1: his wave. But I think it's not very clear how
Speaker 1: to do that versus other people can see it and
Speaker 1: be like, oh, I can make all I gotta do
Speaker 1: is yeah, I'm gonna take that ship right now, and
Speaker 1: then they go get big off of it, bigger they
Speaker 1: monetize it. You never got the chance to even try to.
Speaker 1: And I would say this additionally, that's the corny thing
Speaker 1: that the Internet does, where they go, oh, you should
Speaker 1: just be grateful that we're celebrating you, or that you're
Speaker 1: getting the attention that you otherwise wouldn't be getting it,
Speaker 1: or you offset my life for like six months with
Speaker 1: this bullshit and then expect me to go back to
Speaker 1: living a normal life while y'all make a hell of
Speaker 1: money like that, Having a viral moment like that I've
Speaker 1: never had a viral video moment like that. I've had
Speaker 1: a couple of stupid ass tweets go up and they
Speaker 1: suck my Twitter up for days. So I can imagine
Speaker 1: having something as big as on Fleek that's sucking your
Speaker 1: life up a little bit. Whether it's a good way
Speaker 1: or a bad way, it's in the way, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You have to take a break to
Speaker 1: deal with that. In some ways, even being made a
Speaker 1: new whether whether it is like you said, good or bad,
Speaker 1: you don't get to just go back to the version
Speaker 1: of your life that it was. And then that's it's
Speaker 1: not even like y'all owe me. It's like if somebody's
Speaker 1: getting paid, then y'all owe me. Yes, if nobody was
Speaker 1: getting shipped off on Fleek and everybody just used the phrasing,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't even be an issue. But that's not the case.
Speaker 1: That became branding for some people. That became fucking commercials
Speaker 1: for a lot of people, you know what I'm saying. No,
Speaker 1: I think that's that's a hundred percent true. I think
Speaker 1: about that all the time with like you know it.
Speaker 1: I think it used to be more of a trend
Speaker 1: and now it's a little more dangerous to pull off.
Speaker 1: But like when rappers would use like internet ship for
Speaker 1: like interludes and ship and you have to wonder how
Speaker 1: many of these people are actually getting compensated for those
Speaker 1: internet things or is it just you thought it was
Speaker 1: funny you put it in your interlude and these people
Speaker 1: just sort of have to be grateful that, like, oh,
Speaker 1: they they threw me in there, you know what I mean? Right,
Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm I'm something on there real quick, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like with me, I've used you know,
Speaker 1: I've used a million of the motherfucker's I make songs.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I want my computer, of
Speaker 1: course I got. I got a whole album about comedians
Speaker 1: that I've made about my favorite comedians. Every song starts
Speaker 1: and ends with some ship I pulled from YouTube, you know,
Speaker 1: saying like that's just what that is. But there's a
Speaker 1: reason for it, you know what I'm saying. And on
Speaker 1: top of that, I reach out to a lot of
Speaker 1: these motherfucker's that I try to involve to be like, yo,
Speaker 1: you want to do a sketch on here or something
Speaker 1: like I want to miss the hospital to do some
Speaker 1: ship I've reached out to about to do some ship.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Uh, Nick COLLETTI We never
Speaker 1: used it, but on my second album reached out to
Speaker 1: Nick COLLETTI had to make a bunch of joke phone
Speaker 1: calls for it. Like I find the people, they're there,
Speaker 1: and they're they're willing to listen, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And they're not about to Like I realized a lot
Speaker 1: of people are willing to work and for like a
Speaker 1: realistic price or for something real because everybody's bullshitting all day.
Speaker 1: But I think to that point, it truly is just
Speaker 1: acknowledge me, dog, you know what I mean, Like like
Speaker 1: you said, acknowledge that that I made a contribution to
Speaker 1: the grander cultural imprint. And if you acknowledge that, and
Speaker 1: if you compensate that, knowing that you are going to
Speaker 1: also be compensated, then if you out bag me, I
Speaker 1: I had fun, you know what I mean? Like I
Speaker 1: I'm truly not at least and again I can only
Speaker 1: speak for myself. I'm not terrified of somebody becoming a
Speaker 1: millionaire off of some ship I said. I'm more terrified
Speaker 1: of them truly, like pretending as if I don't exist
Speaker 1: while be exactly there off of my ship because again
Speaker 1: it's it's it's not a it's a principal thing. Bro,
Speaker 1: It's like I'm here, like I did that. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm saying I did that like so like and so like,
Speaker 1: you know, I think about Craig Mac. Somebody's gonna make
Speaker 1: a pup and ask Craig Mac TikTok remix and Craig
Speaker 1: Mac ain't seeing bred off making his music and how
Speaker 1: long you know what I'm saying, And it's gonna be huge,
Speaker 1: Like that's frustrating. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you think this,
Speaker 1: this accountability is something that we are going to have
Speaker 1: to fight for for other people because it seems like
Speaker 1: at a certain point, either people don't have the resources
Speaker 1: or the the Internet doesn't give enough of a funk,
Speaker 1: like you're talking about Craig Mac, and I can't imagine
Speaker 1: there's about to be like a big wave of people
Speaker 1: being like justice for Craig Mac. We Craig Mac made
Speaker 1: this song. You guys, gotta nobody's gonna give a fuck,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? If we're being truly honest,
Speaker 1: and is that fair? No? Is it right? No? But
Speaker 1: that's the reality of where we're at. So like, is
Speaker 1: that then something where like we as artists are gonna
Speaker 1: have to step in and be like, yo, I don't
Speaker 1: want to be a part of this or I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna do this unless we gotta jumping We gotta jump
Speaker 1: in on this stuff faster. That's the other thing, is
Speaker 1: like they need to acknowledge faster, and if they don't,
Speaker 1: we need to acknowledge the problem faster and as a
Speaker 1: bigger unit. Because this is you know, it's small potatoes.
Speaker 1: Now you said something, it got cracking and somebody else
Speaker 1: made a meal. You made eight dollars. Yeah, that's trash.
Speaker 1: But that's again slippery slopan to deal with it. Deal
Speaker 1: with it, deal with it, deal with it, deal with it.
Speaker 1: And now you just gotta deal with it. Like you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's just like it's it's not
Speaker 1: cool to race things people have done because it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter to you what I'm saying. Yeah, it matters to somebody,
Speaker 1: and that's that's why we're here in the first nigga
Speaker 1: g depth matters to me what I'm saying. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: little boys with them big ass church and chains. I
Speaker 1: love them. Yes, God damn it, flavor in your end.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take one more break. We'll be back with
Speaker 1: more Michael Christmas and more, my mama told me. And
Speaker 1: we are back speak Hell yeah, We're back here with
Speaker 1: more Michael Christmas, more, my mama told me. We're still
Speaker 1: talking about the possibility that TikTok is destroying homes, specifically
Speaker 1: black homes with ship dances that are making grandma's disappointed
Speaker 1: in their grandchildren, grandfathers. They lower their heads, they say,
Speaker 1: I welcome to Menia. Sooner if it's gonna make me
Speaker 1: forget about this bullshit that I gotta see my grandchild.
Speaker 1: Do do you think I guess this is going back
Speaker 1: to the larger question. Do you feel like this is
Speaker 1: a feeling that other generations have had to deal with?
Speaker 1: Like were they looking at the whist and being like that,
Speaker 1: ain't that ain't dancing? This is this is trash in whatever.
Speaker 1: I can only point to the post nineties because I
Speaker 1: was born in ninety four, and everything that came out
Speaker 1: when I was a kid was an issue to the
Speaker 1: people older than me. Always jerking was an issue land
Speaker 1: with a rock with it that was kind of a
Speaker 1: silly dance walking out. But at the same time, these
Speaker 1: dances were all being done way more than like the
Speaker 1: mats dances of right now slash like progressively, like I
Speaker 1: think the Soldier Boys when older, older people stopped doing
Speaker 1: like Okay, well he'll tell I can, He'll tell I
Speaker 1: can walk it out, I can check a noodle suit,
Speaker 1: but like hitting a choreograph dance move, which is exactly
Speaker 1: the problem now. I also think the part of the
Speaker 1: problem was that Soldier Boy was the face of the product,
Speaker 1: and for older people it felt like, all right, what
Speaker 1: are we what game is this? Now? Do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like all respective, But but he is not.
Speaker 1: If you're an older person in that generation, you're not
Speaker 1: looking at this and being like, now that's a man
Speaker 1: I'll take seriously. Yeah no. And luckily I was a
Speaker 1: kid when Soldier Boy came out, so I got to
Speaker 1: enjoy every year of Soldier Boys started uninterrupted while just
Speaker 1: being hated on about older folks that don't get it.
Speaker 1: But I'm grown now and I funk with the Soldier
Speaker 1: Boys still, like I think every dance from then it's good,
Speaker 1: I think, is there's something I'm not about to do.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do to cup the shuffle like
Speaker 1: ever again if possible, Like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But otherwise, like and you know what, when I was
Speaker 1: a kid, I went to camp and I don't know
Speaker 1: if you've ever heard the song Cotton I Joe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know Cotton I Joe. Do you know the dance?
Speaker 1: I don't know what anymore, but there was a dance.
Speaker 1: It was like front step, front step. Yeah, yeah, them
Speaker 1: that bullshit. That's that's what TikTok dances look like. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: but but that's what they will also say that you
Speaker 1: get in those groups and you see motherfucker's doing Cotton
Speaker 1: I Joe and you're like, goddamn, they look like they're
Speaker 1: having a good time. They do look like they're having
Speaker 1: a good time, for sure. The group was ten year
Speaker 1: olds across the board, but it did look like you
Speaker 1: were having a good headtime for sure. But again it
Speaker 1: goes back to what we were saying. You have to
Speaker 1: strike a balance right where it's like, I am not
Speaker 1: at all interested in taking the fun away from anybody,
Speaker 1: Like I do want every generation to have their ship,
Speaker 1: have their fun. I'm not I don't want to be
Speaker 1: the person that stops it at the same time, let's
Speaker 1: just figure out a way to make your fun not
Speaker 1: feel like it's destroying valuable like uh, just generations of
Speaker 1: of work that we've done. Yeah, and and again, Like
Speaker 1: the the issue really for me, like this is all
Speaker 1: an agenda for me to dig a lot deeper into
Speaker 1: how my things are going away without you know, anybody,
Speaker 1: anybody's approval from the blacks. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like like, where where is the most depth in the
Speaker 1: red suit with the curly hair on Chappelle's show to delegate, bro,
Speaker 1: we need a delegator, we need delegate everybody. Just let's
Speaker 1: just slide goddamn Tim McGraw or whoever. Then it was
Speaker 1: on the song a little Dirk just doing whatever after
Speaker 1: he just got finished saying Nigga somewhere else like hey, hey,
Speaker 1: somebody regulates this ship man, And that's what That is
Speaker 1: the part that I think I often find myself feeling
Speaker 1: frustrated with because I don't want to find myself blaming
Speaker 1: black people, right Like I want to be not that
Speaker 1: dude who's like Nigga's y'all, y'all should have done something.
Speaker 1: But it's like Lebron, don't do that. Don't do that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like when you did you know,
Speaker 1: when you do the fucking Harlem shake ship, you're truly
Speaker 1: just doing it for views and you're not considering the
Speaker 1: fact that you were a kid. Miami kids is gonna
Speaker 1: love this, Like, bro, you know what I'm saying, Just
Speaker 1: throw the move in there at least just to be like,
Speaker 1: I see it. I see that's the thing. That's what
Speaker 1: it feels like. It's it feels like as it's always
Speaker 1: felt like this as a black person in America. It
Speaker 1: always felt like when I make contact with another black
Speaker 1: person that we are thinking the same thing. For the
Speaker 1: most part, we have the same ideas, we know what
Speaker 1: it is. And it's starting to feel just less overall,
Speaker 1: like we know what it is as a unit. Yes,
Speaker 1: I don't want to lose I just don't want to
Speaker 1: lose us all knowing what it is when we get there, No,
Speaker 1: And I think it got even weirder because then there's
Speaker 1: that wave that we hit where it became cool to
Speaker 1: be like, I don't think like other black people think
Speaker 1: like I'm not trapped in the same you know, Kanye
Speaker 1: did it, Chance did it where they were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: why do we have to be like that. It's like
Speaker 1: you don't have to be but come on, but come on,
Speaker 1: but you know what it is because because for one
Speaker 1: and this isn't to come out here or a chance
Speaker 1: or anybody in PARTICU dealer. But when you do that,
Speaker 1: do not get in trouble or do anything else and
Speaker 1: then expect nigga's to come give you a big old
Speaker 1: hook b because we're not gonna do it. Bro. Maybe
Speaker 1: you said you don't eat coligreenes, you don't eat coligreens
Speaker 1: different and you got it. Show me how different handles
Speaker 1: frustrating situations turn around and die. Yeah, we'll make it value.
Speaker 1: So I guess the last question that sort of has
Speaker 1: been living in this for me is I wonder and
Speaker 1: I do think that this is the scary thing with
Speaker 1: this situation, right is I think that part of the
Speaker 1: problem that we're facing is that there is too much
Speaker 1: of everything all the time, and so we were inevitably
Speaker 1: going to find ourselves getting worse at stuff because we
Speaker 1: just have to keep making more stuff. Do what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: there's no a for eight it's fucking loose steel Ball
Speaker 1: trying to stuff the chocolates and I love Lucy. Eventually
Speaker 1: there's just too much, so you're gonna do a ship job.
Speaker 1: And so I wonder I'd love to hear your thoughts
Speaker 1: of like is the truly the only way that black
Speaker 1: people can get back to being like the true like
Speaker 1: heroes of dance and culture is for the Internet to
Speaker 1: go away and we just have less stuff. No, And
Speaker 1: I think this goes back to an earlier point of acknowledgement,
Speaker 1: But this is on the level of the people in
Speaker 1: control as well as the creators, because we need to
Speaker 1: acknowledge real talent too, you know what I'm saying it
Speaker 1: we need to put things on the forefront now because
Speaker 1: they adhere to the guidelines of what we want our
Speaker 1: viewers to see, but because they're actually good yeah as well.
Speaker 1: And I think that's a problem with that platform, is
Speaker 1: that it just seems very aimed, like you just see him.
Speaker 1: Because the thing is like, you can post all the
Speaker 1: same things across your socials, you will not get more
Speaker 1: agement then you'll get on TikTok. But it's only if
Speaker 1: you do it the way TikTok wants you to do it,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And so I think just
Speaker 1: like That's what I mean by by the people who
Speaker 1: are in control is like, you know, make it fair.
Speaker 1: But also like for the people who are not in control,
Speaker 1: I think we we just need more people to be
Speaker 1: in Like when I think about my childhood, bro, even
Speaker 1: if they weren't the best role models, are black folks
Speaker 1: are in charge for real? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They said things and they stuck. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We And it's not to say that all these niggas
Speaker 1: are not good. A lot of my heroes a terrible
Speaker 1: people growing up and learning, but that's not the point.
Speaker 1: The point is having a good voice, or a good
Speaker 1: few voices to actually look to and learn from. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, I gotta look. I gotta look
Speaker 1: at movies where these people who are some of them
Speaker 1: terrible people, play incredible characters that can teach me things.
Speaker 1: But there's really people out there, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: who can teach me those same things. And that's you know,
Speaker 1: we need those Like niggas could be mad at they
Speaker 1: should pall all they want, but that heat he to
Speaker 1: me a lot. But like, yeah, I think about like
Speaker 1: Isaiah Washington, where it's like that is a phenomenal fucking actor.
Speaker 1: He was real good at acting. Yeah, he had a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of other problematic ship that made his relationship
Speaker 1: with with a public complicated. But at the at its core,
Speaker 1: and I think this is the point you're making. At
Speaker 1: its core, we were celebrating a person for their talents,
Speaker 1: not just their big personality or like their edginess or
Speaker 1: whatever the funk it is. And now, whether we we
Speaker 1: can control it or not, there are a lot of
Speaker 1: people that are just existing off of their personality more
Speaker 1: than an actual skill set. And until we can go
Speaker 1: back to celebrating skill sets, we're gonna be chasing our
Speaker 1: tails in this ship. I feel like our last like leader.
Speaker 1: And I'm saying because we lost a bunch at one
Speaker 1: time because of the pandemic, but our last like leader,
Speaker 1: I feel like it Nipsey hustle as far as like
Speaker 1: at least the niggas, I like, that's the type of
Speaker 1: person that I would can that are a leader? Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of my niggas. Because he'll say things that
Speaker 1: will resonate and make you think about your life and
Speaker 1: want to change it, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: there's not that many of those anymore. We had a
Speaker 1: lot more of those when I was a kid, for sure,
Speaker 1: Like these people that even even if they weren't doing that,
Speaker 1: like just these larger than life inaccessible personalities. And it's
Speaker 1: not to say like obviously the internet makes that a
Speaker 1: lot harder to but also these personalities are a little
Speaker 1: bit all the same now, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: all ruded and kind of the same thing. We all
Speaker 1: do this, we all like this, we all go here,
Speaker 1: we all like this ship. That's how we live like this.
Speaker 1: We just need more standout personalities to take charge in
Speaker 1: the black community, thinks. And I don't know how we
Speaker 1: we make that, but I do think at least acknowledging
Speaker 1: people's skills and their goodness is a is a starting point.
Speaker 1: But we need more black comedians to be really, really
Speaker 1: famous yesterday. And that's what I mean is like you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You know, eight hunted nigga. Everybody
Speaker 1: on your list of people on your cast excluding me,
Speaker 1: is a goddamn generational talent or whatever it is they do.
Speaker 1: This has been a phenomenal episode and I'm a big fan.
Speaker 1: You watch your mouth. I know these niggas. When I
Speaker 1: went to when I found your podcast just because I Google,
Speaker 1: I looked up Zach Fox and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is two of my niggas right here. And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is good. Then I started looking at the list,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I'm a fan of them. I'm afan
Speaker 1: of them. These niggas need to be bigger. And it's like,
Speaker 1: it's it's not them, you know what I'm saying. The
Speaker 1: talents there, the work is there, it's just the world. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is very hard to be any version of what
Speaker 1: your talent is set up to be right that Like,
Speaker 1: you have to figure out a almost a scam sometimes
Speaker 1: to make the world see you as a talented person
Speaker 1: you may already be. And that's the scary part about
Speaker 1: all of this game. It's like, truly, we're not just
Speaker 1: figuring out how to get good at a job. We're
Speaker 1: then figuring out a way to trick someone into looking
Speaker 1: at us long enough to go, fuck, he's good at
Speaker 1: that job. It's like you gotta spend time getting real,
Speaker 1: real good at some ship. Then you've gotta straight away
Speaker 1: from that and spend time trying to figure out how
Speaker 1: to make people watch you do that ship that you're
Speaker 1: amazing at now Exactly, it's a miserables. That's part of
Speaker 1: that's part of the hustle. Yeah, that's just life in general.
Speaker 1: But I don't want that to happen to people who
Speaker 1: have like a quick strike opportunity. Some of these people
Speaker 1: are not aiming their lives towards having a viral moment
Speaker 1: or having a viral dance, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And so when they get it, I want them to
Speaker 1: keep it, yeah, saying when they get it, I want
Speaker 1: them to keep it. I always think about, um, the
Speaker 1: the lady that uh ain't nobody got time for that?
Speaker 1: That that late bro, what's upwhere her? Well, I'll say this,
Speaker 1: and this is I think a little bit of a
Speaker 1: hopeful ending for for what we've been talking about. Is
Speaker 1: she was a lady struggling with drugs. She was in
Speaker 1: a fire and then got went viral, and she capitalized
Speaker 1: on that moment her teeth fixed and then did fucking
Speaker 1: commercials for the dentists that fixed her teeth and got
Speaker 1: paid off the ship. And I don't know if she
Speaker 1: was able to like to modify it beyond that point,
Speaker 1: but I do think that even that is a beautiful
Speaker 1: sort of like, okay, this is correct for what she
Speaker 1: offered us. She became a meme that we all enjoyed.
Speaker 1: If nothing else, let this lady have some new teeth
Speaker 1: and some money to be able to like move forward
Speaker 1: however she chooses. Yeah, yeah, that's the new ship. Bro.
Speaker 1: If you get like, if you have a viral moment,
Speaker 1: you should give you, like whatever, the two things you
Speaker 1: need most. I love that, and then you can have it, bro.
Speaker 1: Then you can put it in the Wendy's commercial, McDonald's whatever,
Speaker 1: so long, John Silvers, whatever, and they can put it
Speaker 1: go ahead. But yeah, fix my back and get me
Speaker 1: a new bed. You don't need to fix. You don't
Speaker 1: need to to set me up for life. But if
Speaker 1: you know I'm sleeping on a mattress on the floor,
Speaker 1: get me a bed frame and help me out. It's
Speaker 1: like people who go role for like having some fileship
Speaker 1: at the crib or having a file crib and they
Speaker 1: throw that ship up on Damn Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy, send
Speaker 1: that motherfucker check, bro, so they can stop doing that
Speaker 1: this show anymore. Help them, help them, bro, Like they're sad,
Speaker 1: Like I remember I've seen. I think I saw Drew
Speaker 1: Sky on a five South talking to DC Young fly In.
Speaker 1: DC Young Flyer was talking about how he didn't have
Speaker 1: the resources to shoot these big videos that King Bacha
Speaker 1: was making. He had to just show he had around him,
Speaker 1: so he was making vines of the cockroaches on his
Speaker 1: wall to which too, because Drew Ski was like, I
Speaker 1: remember that he was on VON and he was taking
Speaker 1: videos of cockroaches on your wall, and I'm like, is
Speaker 1: this nigga okay? Like we need to send in and
Speaker 1: he's like and then that was DC's response was, well,
Speaker 1: these niggas on Vaughn is making these big production movies
Speaker 1: in these six seconds. I ain't got a movie studio,
Speaker 1: I't on cameras for no explosions. So I'm using what
Speaker 1: I got, you know what I'm saying in here, And
Speaker 1: look at him. He's a super He's a goddamn superstar. Now, no,
Speaker 1: I mean it, it's crazy and like to that point,
Speaker 1: like I even you know, I'm not a person without resources,
Speaker 1: but like even just being able to put together a
Speaker 1: self tape of like yo, I need another person to
Speaker 1: be to set up a camera. I need somebody to
Speaker 1: read lines. Maybe it's that same person, but you need
Speaker 1: a level of like commitment from your community and from
Speaker 1: around you to even make that ship happen. So the
Speaker 1: fact that these dudes we're making full production, three camera
Speaker 1: productions for internet videos tells you that they were sitting
Speaker 1: on profit already, or at least sitting on a cushion
Speaker 1: that to the point that d C was making, he
Speaker 1: didn't have And unless somebody is gonna come in and
Speaker 1: be like, yo, I see a potential in him, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make sure he gets correctly compensated for that potential,
Speaker 1: he's just gonna be a nigga making roach video Roach videos. Bro.
Speaker 1: It's like anytime you see somebody do a quick dance
Speaker 1: move on the tail, but nobody tagged them and they
Speaker 1: weren't the posted person to post it. They were just
Speaker 1: caught doing the dance moved. Nike is never my never
Speaker 1: even know that he went viral. Well, that he changed
Speaker 1: the world a little bit, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: that's just crazy. You should be given something for making
Speaker 1: kids in Wisconsin do your fucking dance move while you
Speaker 1: was outside of the projects. That's just what it is,
Speaker 1: pretty straightforward two things you need. I love that. I
Speaker 1: think that's the I think that's the thesis, the real
Speaker 1: big takeaway. We can leave everybody with, Give people two
Speaker 1: things they need for the great things they need in life,
Speaker 1: for their contributions, and then do what you will or
Speaker 1: we're gonna smack you. That's the new ship, bro, we
Speaker 1: gonna start pulling up and smacking people tough. Do that?
Speaker 1: Do that dance again real quick? Yeah? All right, I
Speaker 1: think we did it. Michael, did you tell the people
Speaker 1: at home where they can find you what cool ship
Speaker 1: you have? Yeah? Man, Michael Christmas, my birthday is in
Speaker 1: like a week. That's like probably my only cool ship.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna trying to should happen around it. Um,
Speaker 1: I got dumb music out of music, Spotify that stuff,
Speaker 1: Michael Christmas at, Michael Christmas on Instagram, making Christmas on Twitter,
Speaker 1: and yeah, go enjoy some of that. I've also been
Speaker 1: dabbling and stand up. So if you end Boston, specifically
Speaker 1: on a Wednesday night, you walk into an empty bar
Speaker 1: and see a stage I might be on. All right,
Speaker 1: well go watch Michael do stand up. More importantly, go
Speaker 1: listen to his music. It's fired. Support, support, support and
Speaker 1: As always, you can follow me at Langston Kerman all
Speaker 1: of my bullshit. I don't make no music, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's nonsense either way. And uh, you can uh subscribe
Speaker 1: to the podcast, you can review do the thing I
Speaker 1: don't know, And if you want to send me your
Speaker 1: own conspiracy theories or drops, you can send them to
Speaker 1: my Mama pod at gmail dot com. Okay, that's it.
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