1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's a couple of day smooths that I've seen. Um, 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: somebody this wild ship the day I can't remember girl, 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: A little bit of this left, but the listeners at home, 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: he meant it, he really is. He's taking it straight today. Yeah, 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: because it wasn't like that much left. Like it wasn't 6 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: that much love. It's half a bottom ship, racist money stuff. 7 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: I can't tell me. Yep, yep, yep. There it is. 8 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another phenomenal 9 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: episode of My Mama Told Me, the podcast where we 10 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: dive deep, deep into the pockets of black conspiracy theories 11 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: and we finally work to prove that the p Intaj 12 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: p Henson stands for boy don't play with me. You 13 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: know that's what that p is for. You know, Toraj 14 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: is saying something sassy from start to finishing that goddamn name. 15 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: And we love you to rise, you big fan. If 16 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: you ever want to come here and talk some bullshit, 17 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: you're welcome this. Sometimes the conspiracies that I spread about 18 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: people are harmless. I think this is a pretty harmless one. Sometimes, 19 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: like us people of murder and mayhem, But mostly, you know, 20 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: you run out and you just make fun of names 21 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: and ships. Sup. We're hoping that this is gonna be 22 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: a murder conspiracy that I can believe all days. Well, 23 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: I'm sorry to disappoint. I guess at least brutality murder 24 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: that's actually a pretty good one. Quille O'Neill, for those 25 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: of you that don't know, did volunteer after his NBA 26 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: career to become a sheriff and and I guess brutalized 27 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: the local people in his community. And the possibility that 28 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: Shaquille O'Neill killed someone seems pretty high. Yeah, for sure, 29 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: he's seven ft eighteen, there's no question with the gun. 30 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: He's RoboCop Bro's. Yeah, he's also not a sheriff anymore. So. 31 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: It feels like some sort of dishonorable discharged situation, right 32 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: because they didn't give him like a medal of honor 33 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: when he retired from it feels like he crushed someone's 34 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: skull like a great and then they were just like, hey, Shack, 35 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: you can't come back here no more. Man. He was 36 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: acting like Batman. Yeah, and Bro, we're big fans of 37 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: your work, but this ain't gonna work out. You gotta 38 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: leave man, you can't knock and take ahead. Well, this 39 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: is we've really broken the fourth wall here. We we 40 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: didn't do the intro the way intros are meant to 41 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: be done, but fuck it, we'll do it live. My 42 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:05,239 Speaker 1: guest today, he's phenomenal. He's an amazing musician, talented artist, 43 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: he's a comedian of sorts. He does all this ship. 44 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: I love him. Please give it up for my guest, 45 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: Mr Michael christ Man. I'm drinking what we're talking about. 46 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 1: What a bold way to come back. Hell yeah, I'm 47 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: I'm so excited you're here because you came with a 48 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory that I think I bought into. Like I don't. 49 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: I don't know that I've done enough research to know 50 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: for sure. But I saw it and I was like, 51 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: this guy is saying something. This is this is legit. 52 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: I've been thinking about it and it's it feels like 53 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: it has like a level of legitimacy to it. And 54 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: I won't hold it up. You said, my mama told 55 00:03:55,000 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: me tis secretly trying to make black people bad at dancing. Yes, bro, Yes, 56 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: I've had this thought for a long time to like this. 57 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: It's it's really kismet that you happen to have a 58 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: podcast where you talk about ship like this with no 59 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: facts if necessary, because I'm like, man, what a perfect 60 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: platform for me to come and discuss how I feel 61 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: about this. Yeah, and I should let our our listeners 62 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: know that you were You were so enthusiastic about it 63 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 1: that you hit me up and you were like, dog, 64 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: I'm sitting on something, what's up? And I was already 65 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: thinking about having you as a guest, but then once 66 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: you hit me with the conspiracy theory, it felt like, oh, 67 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: we have to do this now immediately. Yes, thank you 68 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: for allowing me. Yes, TikTok is secretly trying to make 69 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 1: trying to make people black people bad at dancing. Bro, 70 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: I see the signs, So tell me more. Give me 71 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,239 Speaker 1: the full breakdown of where you discovered the what's making 72 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: you feel that way. Let's let's really dive in deep here. Okay. 73 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: I think what it started this whole thought process was like, 74 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:13,799 Speaker 1: I know you've seen them now, The TikTok dances all arms. 75 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's all very stiff boom 76 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: pop boo. It's like the mediocre cheerleading squad level of dancing. 77 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: But these dances are becoming so popular that now you're 78 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: seeing like adults do them because they're popular and you 79 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 1: can get fuse off. So now people are incorporating them. 80 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: And when you spend so much time doing this little 81 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 1: stupid ass move, this move get you get used to it, 82 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: and then you go outside and then you go to 83 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: the club and some good ship is playing and you 84 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: start doing TikTok dances. Now now it's spreading right now 85 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: all the kids. The kids are on what TikTok? So 86 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: our children are growing up with no rhythm. It's it's 87 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: it's just it's a massive wipe out and and it 88 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: speaks to bigger things. But to start, yes, we're gonna 89 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: be bad to dancing if you don't get it together. 90 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: I like what you're saying because it reminds me of 91 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: a video I saw and it was probably like a 92 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: year ago where Jason Derulo I think, was in Vegas 93 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: and he was performing and he had like an ensemble 94 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: of bad bitches standing beside him while he performed TikTok dances, 95 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 1: and it was a bunch of adults in the crowd 96 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: being like, is this naked doing TikTok dancers like you 97 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: do regular dance, Jason bro It's not like Jason Derulo 98 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: is a bad dancer. He's a pretty good dancer. He's 99 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: a fucking loser in a lot of ways, but he's 100 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: a god. He's a great fighter, and he's a great dancer. 101 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: He's a winner in a lot of ways too. That's 102 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: the that part about Jason Derulo. I would love to 103 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: hate on Jason Derulo, but then Jason Derulo pull up. Yeah, listen, 104 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: I would not say that to Jason Derulo's face. That 105 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: motherfucker is big for no reason. I'm trying to go away, 106 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: Jameson and the Rulo about to go and well you 107 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: gotta start doing TikTok dances in public exactly selling my 108 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: soul and see it. But to that point, it was 109 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: a a very visceral reaction from the crowd of being like, 110 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: this is bad dancing in person. I'm sure whatever it 111 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: looks like on the internet is a different conversation, but objectively, 112 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: it looks terrible when you're just standing in front of us, 113 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: like you said, moving elbows and arms instead of the 114 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: thing is it's meant for kids. These challenges are for 115 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: eight year olds to do during spring break when they're 116 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: at the crib. They're not They're not to be done 117 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: by grown people with you know what I'm saying. But 118 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: they get you so many views that you as a 119 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: fucking forty year old nurse and like, on my break, 120 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: I'm about to try to get my TikTok numbers up 121 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: and then boom, now you're hitting that ship, you know, 122 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: looking crazy. If somebody's walking by and seeing that, do 123 00:07:55,600 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: you think that that this because I I honestly I 124 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: feel like this question is almost jumping ahead of where 125 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: we're at. But I'm curious because you're talking about it. 126 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: Do you think this is an unbeatable challenge? Not to 127 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: to make it a pun and ship, but like, is 128 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: this is this an unbeatable challenge being presented in front 129 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: of us where we are, no matter what, going to 130 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: end up becoming bad dancers because of TikTok culture. It's 131 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: tough to say. On the one hand, yes, you can 132 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: get hell of views by doing these awful dances. You 133 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: don't need to do anything else, would do exactly what 134 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 1: they did in the other video, and you're just gonna 135 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: pick up steam. On the flip side, what it really 136 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: is is about, like this is stuff we're supposed to 137 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: know how to do right. All these good dance moves 138 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: that we do have, the wobble, the electric slide. This 139 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: is stuff that like I don't remember how I learned it, 140 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: but I knew it. So partially we have to combat 141 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: this with teaching people dances because even you see our TikTok, 142 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: they're jerking now, they're trying to lean with it, rock 143 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: with and doing our dances from when I was a kid, 144 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 1: and they're not doing them right either. So it's like 145 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: it's like, raise your kids. You need where where's the 146 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: Casper slide? Man? We need a part part four, Part five. 147 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 1: You gotta save the community. We need the DJs at 148 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: the basketball birthday parties to come out and to do 149 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: with the trends. You know what I'm saying. And he's him, 150 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: he's hitting moves. Bobby Brown used to do dance moves. 151 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: That's what we need more of. But you know, anybody, 152 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: everybody's looking at their phones. Nobody wants to. Nobody wants 153 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: to use their legs. You got to use your Nobody 154 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: wants to. All these videos are waste up. They don't 155 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: even know that you could do ship with your legs 156 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: because it's all waste s up on it. So, Okay, 157 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: you're seeing this, you you are, You're recognizing a problem 158 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: that's happening. Are you now hitting the streets. Are you 159 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: becoming a prophet of this truth? Are you indifferent to 160 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: this this sort of like wave that's taking over? Do 161 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I feel like the Hughey 162 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: Freeman of this in the sense that nobody else really 163 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: feels me the way I feel me on this saying 164 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: like nobody thinks that there's a devastating effect in the 165 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: future to this. It's just like the kids doing dances, 166 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, but that adults are doing 167 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: the dances though, And I don't have a problem with 168 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: adults dancing either. The problem is you look silly, and 169 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: you're gonna make your kids look silly and twenty years 170 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: and they're like, remember twenty years ago and this was 171 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: the move. You know, it's just not you know, we 172 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: whatever to Also, it doesn't matter, And I will say, 173 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: take that gives a lot of access to other ship 174 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: I didn't know, like how to put on toilet paper 175 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: rolls easy and stupid and ship like that. That stuff 176 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: is extremely helpful. But yeah, the dancing it's gonna cause 177 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: it's gonna it's a ripple effect, you know, it's a 178 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: it's snowball effect. Well, that's that's I think at the 179 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: core of the question I want to ask you is 180 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: what do you think the ultimate ripple effect is? If 181 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: this is full butterfly effect, where are you seeing this 182 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: little like you know, wing flap ultimately landing the avalanche. 183 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: I think part of my big worry is also rooted 184 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: in the fact that this may also just be a 185 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: thing that happens to every generation where I'm worried that 186 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: erasure is about to happen to the things or like 187 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 1: washing it or like cornballing the things that I'm used 188 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: to and the things that I know. And then I realized, 189 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 1: like Brome, I just like an old head, is that 190 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: was actually the issue? Or you know what I'm saying. 191 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: And then you started to think, damn. When I was 192 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: listening to like you know and my parents thought it 193 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 1: was whack? Was it whack? And He's like, nah, it 194 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: wasn't wet, But like, yeah, that's the thing. Is like 195 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: part of me is like it's a racier and part 196 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: of me is like I'm overreacting and it's just me 197 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: getting older and not understanding. Well, that was my fear 198 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: when I because I immediately, like I said, latched onto 199 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: this being a a possible truth. But then another part 200 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: of me was like, man, you you're the kids dad. 201 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: You're truly an old man yelling about your blood. If 202 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: this is where your heart lives, Like maybe they're bad 203 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: at dancing or maybe they're fucking phenomenal at dancing, and 204 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: I'll never find out because I'm not doing the arm moves, 205 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like this might be the 206 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: hardest arm hard is moves that anybody can do, and 207 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: I'm truly not I'm so much a coward i won't 208 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: even try it. They're not they're not hard, but we 209 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: can try it if you want. But they're not hard. 210 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: I can see that they're not hard because I had 211 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: to learn how to jerk and heel toe and do 212 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: ship like that stuff that was very difficult to do. 213 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: And that's all. That's all I want, Just some like 214 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: the last dance that I think that was created that 215 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: was cool. It was like the shoot dance that like 216 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: a black dude that like a black person at the 217 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: crib in his neighborhood. You know, I'm saying broke with 218 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: the homies made that dancing ain't got big And that's 219 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: a part of it too. It's like the organic ship 220 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: like these what you know what I'm saying, who's coming 221 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: up with this? And how's it happening? You know what 222 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: I'm saying, like pose to Alright, So what I'll say 223 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: is that, uh, that sideways moonwalk thing that's that's circulating 224 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: that ship is hard fun with that sadeways moonwalk. I 225 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: think there are dances out there that I do. Go, okay, 226 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 1: listen to your point. There's a chance that people are 227 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: still striving to make cool stuff and like add to 228 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: the culture. The frustrating part of it becomes how much 229 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: of that is being I guess sort of buried under 230 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: a bunch of other sort of like bullshit. Yeah. Well, 231 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 1: one thing that made me feel like the official oldest 232 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: nigga around the other day was like this dance moved 233 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: the Gritty and the Memphis Grizzlies simply John Muren hit 234 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: the hole every time they win a game, and somebody 235 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: put a video but Michael Jackson, I don't remember which 236 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson video is, but he's doing that ship all 237 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: through the village just sucking. It was like, damn, Michael 238 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: Jackson was hitting the gritty early. Either he's a time 239 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: traveler or he invented all the dance moves, and like 240 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: he invented all the dance moves and he did all 241 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: of them. If you see if you see it tomorrow 242 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: and you've never seen it before, you've seen Mike doing still. Yeah, 243 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: we're just all doing variations of things Mike did. And 244 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: he was like, I'm not gonna keep doing that. That's 245 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: not the problem is I'm mad niggas is not doing 246 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson stuff. No more like trying to dance like 247 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson. I don't know if you want to end 248 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: that sentence where you ended that sentence, Nick starn't doing 249 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson stuff. I don't know. We all my mama 250 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: told me, I'm mad Nick is not doing Michael Jackson. 251 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: What a way to go into a commercial break. I 252 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: love it. We're gonna take a break. We'll be back 253 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: with more Michael Christmas and more, my mama told me. 254 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: And we are back. Yeah, we're back here with more 255 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: Michael Christmas more. My mama told me. We're still talking 256 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: about the possibility that TikTok is destroying the black dances. 257 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: It's taking dance culture away from our our black youth 258 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: and really families and and and society as a whole. 259 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: Do you think that there is, I guess, a way 260 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: to to introduce the legs to TikTok. Is there a 261 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: way that we can start to make this more of 262 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: of a reassessment of what is valuable on these apps? 263 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: I think I don't have the research on this, I 264 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: didn't do any but I feel I feel like there 265 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: are a lot of black creators on TikTok who, for 266 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: whatever reasons, are not being pushed to the forefront. That's 267 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: That's one if I was actually gonna walk up to 268 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: the doors and be like hey he Aside from that, 269 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: I think the main issue is the leveling of the 270 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: dancing playing field. You know what I'm saying. TikTok will 271 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: have you believe we all can dance at the same level. 272 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: This is incorrect. Niggas is dancing. They ask off in 273 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: other places, but you'll never see it because they're not 274 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: the cracking this niggas on TikTok. Yeah, so it's interesting 275 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: that that's that that's your interpretation because it aligns pretty 276 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: well with a lot of what I read about sort 277 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: of like what's happening with TikTok. There there are a 278 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: crazy amount of articles the people who are very angry 279 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: at TikTok or at least assessing what's happening in TikTok, 280 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: not just in terms of dance but also music as 281 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: a whole. They're real worried about what TikTok is doing 282 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: to the music industry and to dance culture. Yeah, yeah, 283 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: and that's the That's the other thing I think, aside 284 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: from like the old head of Ratio theme is like 285 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: it is scary to think that, bro. Like like the 286 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: video of Shorty repping with the bud light that went viral, 287 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. I still I still didn't actually watched 288 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: the video for real. I just keep seeing it moving 289 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 1: all my timeline and being like, I'm about to watch this, 290 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 1: but she knew all the words. It went up because 291 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: she knew all the words, and like that level of like, 292 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: that's not impressive. It's not impressive. But then on the 293 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: other end, I do think we create this dangerous space 294 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: where we then go, bitch, that's not impressive. You we 295 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: shouldn't celebrate this and it's like, yeah, but you're just 296 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: telling everybody to go watch the motherfucker when you do 297 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: that exactly exactly, And that's my kind of my point 298 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: is like the pumping, because you know what I'm saying, 299 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: TikTok is the I think probably the number one have 300 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: to get followers and used you follow, you follow the 301 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: trend and you get followers and views, you know what 302 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 1: I'm saying, And everybody can't spend on the goddamn hit 303 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 1: what you're saying everybody, But what everybody and understand I'm 304 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: saying everybody can do is these whack dances, which gives 305 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 1: at playing field the level it needs to put the 306 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: hump over people who are actually very talented. And to 307 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: the original point you were making, which I think is 308 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 1: one that a lot of these articles sort of address, 309 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: is that everybody can do these dances, but TikTok intentionally 310 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: amplifies the voices and the dances of specific users, so 311 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 1: they are why while there are a million people learning 312 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: to do this ship, only eight people are truly getting 313 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: like the TikTok bump and saying like, yo, Addison Ray, 314 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: you are the face of these dances or the face 315 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 1: of these things that are very often not created by 316 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: the people that TikTok is choosing to amplify. And also 317 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: on the on the back to the petty side, like 318 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: I'm sick of hearing really good songs get remixed like 319 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: five six songs in because of a challenge, like I 320 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: want to hear DMX do it, God damn it, yeah, 321 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:05,959 Speaker 1: kick yeah, yeah, don't let me enjoy the song that 322 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: it was meant to actually be. Fuck you know what? 323 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: Really and this I did not think about this until 324 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: this conversation, but it reminds me a lot of like, uh, 325 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: that Harlem shake ship. I was going to say, that's 326 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: the beginning of this, yeah, of all of this is 327 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: that that's the first thing where black young people from 328 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: the hood create something and then it's a phrase. But 329 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: when you go google Harlem shake, it's not is not 330 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: gonna come up. None of them boys that were killing 331 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: it in that video are involved anymore going to come up. 332 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: And that's what's happening to like everything, And what bugs me, 333 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: I think, especially with that one, is that like literally 334 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with the Harlem shake, you 335 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like there is if you were 336 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 1: if you were fucking using a bad boy song. If 337 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: you were like you even using elements of the thing 338 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: that made the thing, then maybe there's a level of 339 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: this that I can negotiate with. I don't want to, 340 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: but I can hear it out. But it truly was 341 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: them just being like, we're gonna use the words you 342 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: like and then make a completely different thing that has 343 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: nothing to do with it. Yeah, I'm saying and and 344 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: it's all you know, my spiraling and the thought process 345 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: of this brought me to like thinking about damn like 346 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: people using my god damn vernacular, taking the songs that 347 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: I love that I grew up with, made by people 348 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: that's poor because they don't even own the motherfucker's and 349 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 1: taking them and enrich off of them because you did 350 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: a dance to it in a nice little house. Like 351 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, these spirrows then get me 352 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 1: the star treatment where I'm like, god damn, this is 353 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 1: all a part of the same thing. Well, no, I 354 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: think that's a hundred percent correct, And frankly, it's something 355 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:49,959 Speaker 1: that I I think we've talked about a little bit 356 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: on the podcast before, but there is now a big 357 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: push from from young people to say that there is 358 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 1: no longer that the way that they speak on the 359 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: Internet is Internet talk, and it that there is no 360 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: longer like ebonics or a A V. Whatever you decide 361 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: to call it, like African American vernacular is gone. It's 362 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: just how the Internet speaks. And that's crazy. It's dangerous 363 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: because those small passes turn into big passes turned into 364 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, somebody being able to go 365 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: put on the brownest possible shade of makeup from fucking 366 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: Serbia and put on curly hair and it's cool. It's 367 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: cool because this is just style. This isn't braids isn't 368 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 1: isn't for anybody people was wearing braids like like, guess 369 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: my fucking ass right, you don't need to protective. You 370 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: know what the you're doing, like you know what to do. 371 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: And it feels like laughing in my face. And this 372 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: is why it overall, just be like stop doing this 373 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: ship because then it starts to spiral and I'm like, 374 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: maybe I'm just a crazy nig in the house. No, 375 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: but I think I look, I'm a crazy nig in 376 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: the different house because I I hear what you're saying 377 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: and it feels correct to me that like, while I 378 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: don't want to be an old man yelling about young 379 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: people and what they should be doing with like their 380 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 1: bodies and dances, at some point we do have to 381 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: acknowledge there is a danger and just allowing culture to 382 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: become blanketed where like everybody can access anything at any time, 383 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: because part of what makes culture matter is it is 384 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: a lived experience for people that like they truly are 385 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: a part of these things, like the fact that that 386 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 1: that white girl knows little baby doesn't bug me, but 387 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 1: the idea that like, then a bunch of people are 388 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: giving her some version of like a hood pass because 389 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: the bitch can wrap little baby. This bich is good 390 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 1: with me wherever. And then you find out, you know 391 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: when three years ago she said, and then this little 392 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: nigga on Twitter, and then you're like, oh no, yeah, 393 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: why did I Why was I okay with this where 394 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: you loved it when when light like he was a 395 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: But then it's also like, yo, why do we need 396 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 1: I don't need a new teammate. What I'm saying like, 397 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: I don't. I got all the homies unkned, like I 398 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: got the homies I need, And for sure, I definitely 399 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: don't need somebody else coming to eat food at my 400 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: fucking cookout. Like, I don't even know why that is 401 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: the thing, right, Look, we have a very specific amount 402 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: of food here at this cookout. Dirty dirty hamburgers, thirty 403 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: how dogs, none of them. It's for you. This bitch 404 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: gonna come and she's gonna ask for mayonnaise. And now 405 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: what now? Now where are we? You know, it's stressed 406 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: me out because I don't want the kids to allow 407 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 1: ship to slide because they think it's cool. Because we 408 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: live in that world, and that's where the ultimate danger 409 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: is from, is like the kids being like, no, it's cool, pup. 410 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: They we all say nigga, Like that was a long 411 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: time ago. It's like, no, we don't all say nigga. 412 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: We all say nigga. What I'm saying. Yeah, you talked 413 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: about this a little bit in the beginning, and I 414 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: do think that this is a really important detail that 415 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: that I don't want us to just skip over. But 416 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: in the research that I was doing or the reading 417 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: I was doing, one of the things that they talked 418 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: about because I wanted to know why do TikTok dances 419 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: look specifically the way that they do, And like you said, 420 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 1: part of it is that the videos are shot vertically, 421 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 1: which is the way that they have to show up 422 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: for the app to look normal whatever the fun. And 423 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 1: so because they're shot vertically and for you to be 424 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,719 Speaker 1: actually be able to see who the person is, they 425 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 1: have to do it from a certain distance, which means 426 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: that they have to cut off their legs. Often sometimes 427 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: people figure out ways to do it where they get 428 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: their whole body in it. Yeah, exactly, but for the 429 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: most part, off your cell phone, you kind of have 430 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: to cut off a portion of your body, which is 431 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 1: why they isolate in the arms. And then the other 432 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: detail that I think is really important, as they say 433 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: that the reason that the arm movements are so sort 434 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: of tight into the body is because you have to 435 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: keep it inside of the frame, so you can't reach 436 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: your arms all the way out extend them fully, because 437 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: then they'll be out of the frame and then you 438 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: don't get to see the entirety of the moves. So 439 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 1: it really is like a very strategic structure to say, like, Yo, 440 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: this is how you can dance and still make it 441 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: a well crafted video. Bro. People you just said they 442 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: put niggas in a box. Oh ship people, you just said, 443 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 1: brot niggas in a box. You can't move past these parameters. 444 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,719 Speaker 1: And now when you're out, you're doing the same dances 445 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 1: and you're still not moving past these parameters. WHOA all right, 446 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: So that's how they get okay, yeah, that's crazy because 447 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: now we're doing like yeah, fuck all right, that's put 448 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: niggas in a box. There are sometimes when metaphors ain't metaphors, 449 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? When they just they're 450 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: just worried. It's just what happened, because your phone is 451 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: it's literally what's happening. And somebody's gonna call it a 452 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 1: beta because they don't want to process it. But come on, y'all, 453 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 1: Michael Christmas just woke you the funk up. If niggers 454 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: at home just like me, like bro, he's talking bro. 455 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: So one of the things that they also talk about, 456 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: and this this is something you addressed, is that because 457 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: they do and some of these articles talk about the 458 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: fact that the dancing is technically not always great, right 459 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 1: that like plenty of the people who are stars on 460 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: these apps are not probably great dancers per se. And 461 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: one of the things that they said is that TikTok 462 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: isn't about talent. Necessarily, TikTok is about enthusiasm and energy, 463 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,199 Speaker 1: and so one of the things that they're tracking is 464 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: that the the people who are successful in the app 465 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 1: are dressed well. They're giving off a cool vibe and energy, 466 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: and that is driving people to want to see more 467 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: of their videos much more than whether or not they 468 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 1: can hit the dougie the douggist. You know what I mean. 469 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: Let me say this you you sort of talked about 470 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: this on another episode where you talked about Jay Hoover. Okay, yeah, yeah, TikTok. 471 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: TikTok is the g men bro. It's just following the 472 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: it's Abricambie and Fitch bro. It's just like, this is 473 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: what we want to show, so we could get more this. Yes, 474 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: And I think to that point when they say energy 475 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 1: and they say vibes, they're selecting that energy and vibes 476 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: based off of the ship that they like. Yeah, they 477 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: want a nice crib right like from the sun hitting 478 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: you because you've got a high apartment saying like that. 479 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: There's rules to this ship. You can't be in a 480 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: dark crib and being on TikTok popp and it just 481 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 1: won't happen. Right kind of thing, you know what I'm saying, 482 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 1: Like while doing dance moves, at least you gotta do 483 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: something about why your crib is so dark in order 484 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: for that ship to catch on. Yeah, and like even 485 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 1: you know, like you hear about like, uh, these people 486 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: who all like all these young sort of like internet 487 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: people who like buy a place together and they live 488 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: in these communes trying to to create content and ship 489 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: and even that is about creating a space that kind 490 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: of looks like you're staying with Diddy, do you know 491 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 1: what I mean? Like they never are like in a 492 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: fucking like hell hole. All take let's all take our 493 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: five thousand dollars and get this fifty thousand dollar house. Yes, 494 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: but we all just put in our our last five 495 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 1: and then we're in here, and then we could come 496 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 1: up off of that if we just shoot some videos 497 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: by the pool every day it's like always in front 498 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 1: of some giant uh glass like staircase or whatever. And 499 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: then you're doing that and now I know you you 500 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: have resources even though yeah, you got money, you got money, 501 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: you you TikTok. We want to follow you and see 502 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 1: what else you got going on exactly, Like clearly You're 503 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: already benefiting from these silly dances, so why would I 504 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: not continue down the train of enjoying more of yourself. 505 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: Every time there's a challenge, I want to see you 506 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: do it. Yes, hold on, I want to see this 507 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: one like the crazy legs, like like I want to 508 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: see fucking little Loosely do all the challenges. I don't 509 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: want to see everybody do all the damn challenges. I 510 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: read in one of the uh the articles that I 511 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: was reading a person and this goes back to to 512 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: your point about sort of like the taking of culture 513 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: or the recreation of culture. And a person who I 514 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: guess is like a TikTok dancer type person that we're 515 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: talking to talking to name mood Ferris been as a mash. 516 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: I don't probably fucking his name up bad, but that 517 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. One he doesn't mean anything to me. But 518 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: he said, and I thought this was really interesting. He 519 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: said that TikTok is weirdly transforming into a dance genre itself. 520 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: And I think that that it It has twofold interest 521 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: to me because we've already sort of addressed the fact 522 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: that they are creating something that's completely of its own world. 523 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: But what they also say in the article is that 524 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: TikTok is still pulling from things that we recognize outside 525 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: of its own genre. So it becomes a way of 526 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: sort of softening everybody else's ship while still claiming, well, 527 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: this is just something of its it has nothing to 528 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: do with you. Well, this comes back to one of 529 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: a dance I mentioned earlier and the point I had 530 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: daughter before. It's like when Blackboy JB invented to shoot dance. 531 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: He invented it, whether somebody else did it around him, 532 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: Block what JB did it and made Vegas do it right. 533 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: Fortnite took that dance and put it in their game 534 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: and didn't ask Block what JB And then that was 535 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: a Fortnite dance, and whether they paid that nigga after 536 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: or not, and whether they gave him the credit or not, 537 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: that dances a Fortnite dance now, and so anything it's 538 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: like TikTok is almost like a filter or anything that 539 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: passes through it just becomes TikTok. Yes, you know what 540 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, I think that's I think that's the 541 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: perfect articulation of it. It reminds me, you know, it's 542 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: push your t losing to McDonald's. You know what I'm saying, Like, 543 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: it's it's it's you made the McDonald's song. The McDonald's 544 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: song technically is yours, but once McDonald's has it, that's 545 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: the McDonald's song. I guess McDonald's b Yeah, like you 546 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,719 Speaker 1: sold it to McDonald's. It's like, uh, it's like buying 547 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: a beat. I'm rapper, right, I buy a beat. They 548 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: can sell the exclusive rights to that beat for five 549 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: hundred dollars and then you go make a hit with 550 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: that ship. But like you sold the exclusive rights for 551 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: five hundred dollars. Yeah, that's my it's mine now yea, yeah, 552 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: that's my million dollar banger. You keep your five hundred 553 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: dollars and in some ways and that's it's sad and 554 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: it's fucked up. But then there's another star that you 555 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: go like, well, when would I expect a major corporation 556 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: to be like, you know what, we gotta do right 557 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: by the little black girl that did the renegade dance. 558 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: We got to make sure that she's taken care of 559 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: and fed, because that doesn't service their needs in any way. Right, 560 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: It's like, um, what the there was a girl who 561 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: actually was doing a dance she like made it up 562 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: and then like a small white girl got to do 563 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: it at the All Star Game. Yeah that I think 564 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: that was the Renegade ship, right, Okay, yeah, that was 565 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: that ship. That was crazy bro. Right, Jimmy Fallon had 566 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: literally brought Addison Ray onto fucking Uh which we're called 567 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: the Tonight Show to have her do various TikTok dances, 568 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: all of which belonged to different black performers and creators 569 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: and all that ship. It's like the on fleet girl, Bro, 570 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: This ship happens all the time and then like it 571 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: just goes under the radar, Like where's on fleek? That 572 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: happened a shorty, bro, because that word was applashed on 573 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: everything in Forever twenty one for like a long time. 574 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: So like, what how's she doing? Like you know what 575 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: I'm saying, she should be living like Madam C. J. 576 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: Walker Off and she fucking won't be. Yeah, you want 577 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: to know about fleektek. I guess The question I do 578 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: ask though myself, and I'm gonna ask you, is what 579 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: would be the appropriate compensation? What would be the appropriate 580 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: acknowledgement of these people's contributions? Because the reality is that 581 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: girl was just talking into her phone. It's not like 582 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: she sat and crafted a piece from this ship. She 583 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: was just being a similibilly and hit a moment and 584 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: that wave went crazy. So like, how do we actually 585 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: make sure that people are getting what they deserve without 586 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: overdoing it and being like nobody says this because this 587 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: my long stud Tanya or whoever the funk she is. Well, 588 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: I think the the thing to remember is the problem 589 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: isn't people saying her word. It's Wendy's tweeting this new 590 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: fucking chicken sandwich is on fleet. The original thing needs 591 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: to be acknowledgement, Like whether it's a quick phrase, you know, 592 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: I'm saying one of my homeboys, my DJ. He is 593 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: one of the biggest memes in the world. I don't 594 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: know if you ever seen the meme and the nigger 595 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: in the yellow hoodie and he's doing this ship looking mad. 596 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: That's my DJ. But you met him at the shop, Yes, 597 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: exactly right. Niggas is on Twitter every day. That's Jock Quis, 598 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: that's Quevo, that's this person, that's that person. He went 599 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: and fucking made sure he got that ship and all 600 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: of that so that he gets paid from that fucking meme. 601 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: And I think we need to make it clear that 602 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: you can do that for people, so when you hit 603 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: a wave, you can jump on it immediately instead of 604 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: like where the money reside. That Nigga jumped on that 605 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: wave immediately, and it was his wave, you know, nobody else's. 606 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: He got paid off it, he went got cool with 607 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 1: celebrities off it. You know what I'm saying. That was 608 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: his wave. But I think it's not very clear how 609 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: to do that versus other people can see it and 610 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 1: be like, oh, I can make all I gotta do 611 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: is yeah, I'm gonna take that ship right now, and 612 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,399 Speaker 1: then they go get big off of it, bigger they 613 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: monetize it. You never got the chance to even try to. 614 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,319 Speaker 1: And I would say this additionally, that's the corny thing 615 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: that the Internet does, where they go, oh, you should 616 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,879 Speaker 1: just be grateful that we're celebrating you, or that you're 617 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: getting the attention that you otherwise wouldn't be getting it, 618 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: or you offset my life for like six months with 619 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: this bullshit and then expect me to go back to 620 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: living a normal life while y'all make a hell of 621 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: money like that, Having a viral moment like that I've 622 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 1: never had a viral video moment like that. I've had 623 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: a couple of stupid ass tweets go up and they 624 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 1: suck my Twitter up for days. So I can imagine 625 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 1: having something as big as on Fleek that's sucking your 626 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: life up a little bit. Whether it's a good way 627 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: or a bad way, it's in the way, you know 628 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You have to take a break to 629 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: deal with that. In some ways, even being made a 630 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: new whether whether it is like you said, good or bad, 631 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,320 Speaker 1: you don't get to just go back to the version 632 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 1: of your life that it was. And then that's it's 633 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 1: not even like y'all owe me. It's like if somebody's 634 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: getting paid, then y'all owe me. Yes, if nobody was 635 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: getting shipped off on Fleek and everybody just used the phrasing, 636 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: it wouldn't even be an issue. But that's not the case. 637 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,839 Speaker 1: That became branding for some people. That became fucking commercials 638 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 1: for a lot of people, you know what I'm saying. No, 639 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: I think that's that's a hundred percent true. I think 640 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: about that all the time with like you know it. 641 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: I think it used to be more of a trend 642 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: and now it's a little more dangerous to pull off. 643 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 1: But like when rappers would use like internet ship for 644 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 1: like interludes and ship and you have to wonder how 645 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: many of these people are actually getting compensated for those 646 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: internet things or is it just you thought it was 647 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: funny you put it in your interlude and these people 648 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: just sort of have to be grateful that, like, oh, 649 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: they they threw me in there, you know what I mean? Right, 650 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm I'm something on there real quick, you 651 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like with me, I've used you know, 652 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: I've used a million of the motherfucker's I make songs. 653 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I want my computer, of 654 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 1: course I got. I got a whole album about comedians 655 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: that I've made about my favorite comedians. Every song starts 656 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: and ends with some ship I pulled from YouTube, you know, 657 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 1: saying like that's just what that is. But there's a 658 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: reason for it, you know what I'm saying. And on 659 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 1: top of that, I reach out to a lot of 660 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: these motherfucker's that I try to involve to be like, yo, 661 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: you want to do a sketch on here or something 662 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: like I want to miss the hospital to do some 663 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: ship I've reached out to about to do some ship. 664 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Uh, Nick COLLETTI We never 665 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: used it, but on my second album reached out to 666 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: Nick COLLETTI had to make a bunch of joke phone 667 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: calls for it. Like I find the people, they're there, 668 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,959 Speaker 1: and they're they're willing to listen, you know what I'm saying, 669 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 1: And they're not about to Like I realized a lot 670 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: of people are willing to work and for like a 671 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 1: realistic price or for something real because everybody's bullshitting all day. 672 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 1: But I think to that point, it truly is just 673 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: acknowledge me, dog, you know what I mean, Like like 674 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: you said, acknowledge that that I made a contribution to 675 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:25,080 Speaker 1: the grander cultural imprint. And if you acknowledge that, and 676 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 1: if you compensate that, knowing that you are going to 677 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 1: also be compensated, then if you out bag me, I 678 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,959 Speaker 1: I had fun, you know what I mean? Like I 679 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,879 Speaker 1: I'm truly not at least and again I can only 680 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 1: speak for myself. I'm not terrified of somebody becoming a 681 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: millionaire off of some ship I said. I'm more terrified 682 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,320 Speaker 1: of them truly, like pretending as if I don't exist 683 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 1: while be exactly there off of my ship because again 684 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,319 Speaker 1: it's it's it's not a it's a principal thing. Bro, 685 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: It's like I'm here, like I did that. You know, 686 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 1: I'm saying I did that like so like and so like, 687 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 1: you know, I think about Craig Mac. Somebody's gonna make 688 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 1: a pup and ask Craig Mac TikTok remix and Craig 689 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: Mac ain't seeing bred off making his music and how 690 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: long you know what I'm saying, And it's gonna be huge, 691 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 1: Like that's frustrating. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you think this, 692 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 1: this accountability is something that we are going to have 693 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 1: to fight for for other people because it seems like 694 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: at a certain point, either people don't have the resources 695 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,799 Speaker 1: or the the Internet doesn't give enough of a funk, 696 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,760 Speaker 1: like you're talking about Craig Mac, and I can't imagine 697 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 1: there's about to be like a big wave of people 698 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 1: being like justice for Craig Mac. We Craig Mac made 699 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 1: this song. You guys, gotta nobody's gonna give a fuck, 700 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? If we're being truly honest, 701 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 1: and is that fair? No? Is it right? No? But 702 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,880 Speaker 1: that's the reality of where we're at. So like, is 703 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,359 Speaker 1: that then something where like we as artists are gonna 704 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 1: have to step in and be like, yo, I don't 705 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 1: want to be a part of this or I'm not 706 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 1: gonna do this unless we gotta jumping We gotta jump 707 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 1: in on this stuff faster. That's the other thing, is 708 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,320 Speaker 1: like they need to acknowledge faster, and if they don't, 709 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 1: we need to acknowledge the problem faster and as a 710 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: bigger unit. Because this is you know, it's small potatoes. 711 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: Now you said something, it got cracking and somebody else 712 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,400 Speaker 1: made a meal. You made eight dollars. Yeah, that's trash. 713 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 1: But that's again slippery slopan to deal with it. Deal 714 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 1: with it, deal with it, deal with it, deal with it. 715 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,440 Speaker 1: And now you just gotta deal with it. Like you 716 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,279 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's just like it's it's not 717 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:37,280 Speaker 1: cool to race things people have done because it doesn't 718 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: matter to you what I'm saying. Yeah, it matters to somebody, 719 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,800 Speaker 1: and that's that's why we're here in the first nigga 720 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:51,759 Speaker 1: g depth matters to me what I'm saying. Yeah, I'm 721 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 1: little boys with them big ass church and chains. I 722 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 1: love them. Yes, God damn it, flavor in your end. 723 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 1: We're gonna take one more break. We'll be back with 724 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 1: more Michael Christmas and more, my mama told me. And 725 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: we are back speak Hell yeah, We're back here with 726 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,080 Speaker 1: more Michael Christmas, more, my mama told me. We're still 727 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 1: talking about the possibility that TikTok is destroying homes, specifically 728 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 1: black homes with ship dances that are making grandma's disappointed 729 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,280 Speaker 1: in their grandchildren, grandfathers. They lower their heads, they say, 730 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 1: I welcome to Menia. Sooner if it's gonna make me 731 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,879 Speaker 1: forget about this bullshit that I gotta see my grandchild. 732 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,359 Speaker 1: Do do you think I guess this is going back 733 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,480 Speaker 1: to the larger question. Do you feel like this is 734 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,799 Speaker 1: a feeling that other generations have had to deal with? 735 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 1: Like were they looking at the whist and being like that, 736 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 1: ain't that ain't dancing? This is this is trash in whatever. 737 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 1: I can only point to the post nineties because I 738 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 1: was born in ninety four, and everything that came out 739 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 1: when I was a kid was an issue to the 740 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:24,680 Speaker 1: people older than me. Always jerking was an issue land 741 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,239 Speaker 1: with a rock with it that was kind of a 742 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 1: silly dance walking out. But at the same time, these 743 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 1: dances were all being done way more than like the 744 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 1: mats dances of right now slash like progressively, like I 745 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 1: think the Soldier Boys when older, older people stopped doing 746 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,239 Speaker 1: like Okay, well he'll tell I can, He'll tell I 747 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 1: can walk it out, I can check a noodle suit, 748 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:53,239 Speaker 1: but like hitting a choreograph dance move, which is exactly 749 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 1: the problem now. I also think the part of the 750 00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,360 Speaker 1: problem was that Soldier Boy was the face of the product, 751 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,319 Speaker 1: and for older people it felt like, all right, what 752 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,440 Speaker 1: are we what game is this? Now? Do you know 753 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 1: what I mean? Like all respective, But but he is not. 754 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,960 Speaker 1: If you're an older person in that generation, you're not 755 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 1: looking at this and being like, now that's a man 756 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:20,440 Speaker 1: I'll take seriously. Yeah no. And luckily I was a 757 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 1: kid when Soldier Boy came out, so I got to 758 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:27,080 Speaker 1: enjoy every year of Soldier Boys started uninterrupted while just 759 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 1: being hated on about older folks that don't get it. 760 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,640 Speaker 1: But I'm grown now and I funk with the Soldier 761 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,880 Speaker 1: Boys still, like I think every dance from then it's good, 762 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,880 Speaker 1: I think, is there's something I'm not about to do. 763 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,799 Speaker 1: I don't want to do to cup the shuffle like 764 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,080 Speaker 1: ever again if possible, Like you know what I'm saying. 765 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 1: But otherwise, like and you know what, when I was 766 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,040 Speaker 1: a kid, I went to camp and I don't know 767 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,400 Speaker 1: if you've ever heard the song Cotton I Joe. Yeah, 768 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,760 Speaker 1: I know Cotton I Joe. Do you know the dance? 769 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,760 Speaker 1: I don't know what anymore, but there was a dance. 770 00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 1: It was like front step, front step. Yeah, yeah, them 771 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:05,120 Speaker 1: that bullshit. That's that's what TikTok dances look like. Yeah yeah, 772 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,080 Speaker 1: but but that's what they will also say that you 773 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,920 Speaker 1: get in those groups and you see motherfucker's doing Cotton 774 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,879 Speaker 1: I Joe and you're like, goddamn, they look like they're 775 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,480 Speaker 1: having a good time. They do look like they're having 776 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 1: a good time, for sure. The group was ten year 777 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: olds across the board, but it did look like you 778 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,759 Speaker 1: were having a good headtime for sure. But again it 779 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,520 Speaker 1: goes back to what we were saying. You have to 780 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,160 Speaker 1: strike a balance right where it's like, I am not 781 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,600 Speaker 1: at all interested in taking the fun away from anybody, 782 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,279 Speaker 1: Like I do want every generation to have their ship, 783 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,040 Speaker 1: have their fun. I'm not I don't want to be 784 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,440 Speaker 1: the person that stops it at the same time, let's 785 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,200 Speaker 1: just figure out a way to make your fun not 786 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:50,879 Speaker 1: feel like it's destroying valuable like uh, just generations of 787 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,440 Speaker 1: of work that we've done. Yeah, and and again, Like 788 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,799 Speaker 1: the the issue really for me, like this is all 789 00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,919 Speaker 1: an agenda for me to dig a lot deeper into 790 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,160 Speaker 1: how my things are going away without you know, anybody, 791 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:08,400 Speaker 1: anybody's approval from the blacks. You know what I'm saying, 792 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:12,560 Speaker 1: Like like, where where is the most depth in the 793 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:17,920 Speaker 1: red suit with the curly hair on Chappelle's show to delegate, bro, 794 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 1: we need a delegator, we need delegate everybody. Just let's 795 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,880 Speaker 1: just slide goddamn Tim McGraw or whoever. Then it was 796 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,479 Speaker 1: on the song a little Dirk just doing whatever after 797 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 1: he just got finished saying Nigga somewhere else like hey, hey, 798 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:34,440 Speaker 1: somebody regulates this ship man, And that's what That is 799 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,320 Speaker 1: the part that I think I often find myself feeling 800 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,000 Speaker 1: frustrated with because I don't want to find myself blaming 801 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,799 Speaker 1: black people, right Like I want to be not that 802 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,239 Speaker 1: dude who's like Nigga's y'all, y'all should have done something. 803 00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,680 Speaker 1: But it's like Lebron, don't do that. Don't do that, 804 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,839 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like when you did you know, 805 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,280 Speaker 1: when you do the fucking Harlem shake ship, you're truly 806 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,400 Speaker 1: just doing it for views and you're not considering the 807 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,840 Speaker 1: fact that you were a kid. Miami kids is gonna 808 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,000 Speaker 1: love this, Like, bro, you know what I'm saying, Just 809 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,799 Speaker 1: throw the move in there at least just to be like, 810 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,920 Speaker 1: I see it. I see that's the thing. That's what 811 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,360 Speaker 1: it feels like. It's it feels like as it's always 812 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,799 Speaker 1: felt like this as a black person in America. It 813 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,479 Speaker 1: always felt like when I make contact with another black 814 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,440 Speaker 1: person that we are thinking the same thing. For the 815 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,640 Speaker 1: most part, we have the same ideas, we know what 816 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,280 Speaker 1: it is. And it's starting to feel just less overall, 817 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,719 Speaker 1: like we know what it is as a unit. Yes, 818 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,640 Speaker 1: I don't want to lose I just don't want to 819 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,319 Speaker 1: lose us all knowing what it is when we get there, No, 820 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,240 Speaker 1: And I think it got even weirder because then there's 821 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,640 Speaker 1: that wave that we hit where it became cool to 822 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,239 Speaker 1: be like, I don't think like other black people think 823 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,560 Speaker 1: like I'm not trapped in the same you know, Kanye 824 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,239 Speaker 1: did it, Chance did it where they were like, yeah, 825 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,359 Speaker 1: why do we have to be like that. It's like 826 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,839 Speaker 1: you don't have to be but come on, but come on, 827 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,520 Speaker 1: but you know what it is because because for one 828 00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,120 Speaker 1: and this isn't to come out here or a chance 829 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,239 Speaker 1: or anybody in PARTICU dealer. But when you do that, 830 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,160 Speaker 1: do not get in trouble or do anything else and 831 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,359 Speaker 1: then expect nigga's to come give you a big old 832 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:13,560 Speaker 1: hook b because we're not gonna do it. Bro. Maybe 833 00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,520 Speaker 1: you said you don't eat coligreenes, you don't eat coligreens 834 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:22,600 Speaker 1: different and you got it. Show me how different handles 835 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:32,640 Speaker 1: frustrating situations turn around and die. Yeah, we'll make it value. 836 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,640 Speaker 1: So I guess the last question that sort of has 837 00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,920 Speaker 1: been living in this for me is I wonder and 838 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,200 Speaker 1: I do think that this is the scary thing with 839 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,960 Speaker 1: this situation, right is I think that part of the 840 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,360 Speaker 1: problem that we're facing is that there is too much 841 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,759 Speaker 1: of everything all the time, and so we were inevitably 842 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,080 Speaker 1: going to find ourselves getting worse at stuff because we 843 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,440 Speaker 1: just have to keep making more stuff. Do what I mean, Like, 844 00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,239 Speaker 1: there's no a for eight it's fucking loose steel Ball 845 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:07,640 Speaker 1: trying to stuff the chocolates and I love Lucy. Eventually 846 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,160 Speaker 1: there's just too much, so you're gonna do a ship job. 847 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,640 Speaker 1: And so I wonder I'd love to hear your thoughts 848 00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,959 Speaker 1: of like is the truly the only way that black 849 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,000 Speaker 1: people can get back to being like the true like 850 00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,520 Speaker 1: heroes of dance and culture is for the Internet to 851 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,440 Speaker 1: go away and we just have less stuff. No, And 852 00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,520 Speaker 1: I think this goes back to an earlier point of acknowledgement, 853 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,520 Speaker 1: But this is on the level of the people in 854 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,279 Speaker 1: control as well as the creators, because we need to 855 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:39,000 Speaker 1: acknowledge real talent too, you know what I'm saying it 856 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,200 Speaker 1: we need to put things on the forefront now because 857 00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,600 Speaker 1: they adhere to the guidelines of what we want our 858 00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:48,440 Speaker 1: viewers to see, but because they're actually good yeah as well. 859 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,400 Speaker 1: And I think that's a problem with that platform, is 860 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,520 Speaker 1: that it just seems very aimed, like you just see him. 861 00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,680 Speaker 1: Because the thing is like, you can post all the 862 00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,000 Speaker 1: same things across your socials, you will not get more 863 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,160 Speaker 1: agement then you'll get on TikTok. But it's only if 864 00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,279 Speaker 1: you do it the way TikTok wants you to do it, 865 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,600 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And so I think just 866 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,719 Speaker 1: like That's what I mean by by the people who 867 00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,680 Speaker 1: are in control is like, you know, make it fair. 868 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,040 Speaker 1: But also like for the people who are not in control, 869 00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,719 Speaker 1: I think we we just need more people to be 870 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,879 Speaker 1: in Like when I think about my childhood, bro, even 871 00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,840 Speaker 1: if they weren't the best role models, are black folks 872 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,200 Speaker 1: are in charge for real? You know what I'm saying. 873 00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,879 Speaker 1: They said things and they stuck. You know what I'm saying. 874 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,240 Speaker 1: We And it's not to say that all these niggas 875 00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,360 Speaker 1: are not good. A lot of my heroes a terrible 876 00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,200 Speaker 1: people growing up and learning, but that's not the point. 877 00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:40,200 Speaker 1: The point is having a good voice, or a good 878 00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,960 Speaker 1: few voices to actually look to and learn from. You 879 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,399 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, I gotta look. I gotta look 880 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,359 Speaker 1: at movies where these people who are some of them 881 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,959 Speaker 1: terrible people, play incredible characters that can teach me things. 882 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,040 Speaker 1: But there's really people out there, you know what I'm saying, 883 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,520 Speaker 1: who can teach me those same things. And that's you know, 884 00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,759 Speaker 1: we need those Like niggas could be mad at they 885 00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,840 Speaker 1: should pall all they want, but that heat he to 886 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:04,759 Speaker 1: me a lot. But like, yeah, I think about like 887 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:09,840 Speaker 1: Isaiah Washington, where it's like that is a phenomenal fucking actor. 888 00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,680 Speaker 1: He was real good at acting. Yeah, he had a 889 00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:16,360 Speaker 1: whole bunch of other problematic ship that made his relationship 890 00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,000 Speaker 1: with with a public complicated. But at the at its core, 891 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,319 Speaker 1: and I think this is the point you're making. At 892 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,760 Speaker 1: its core, we were celebrating a person for their talents, 893 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:30,000 Speaker 1: not just their big personality or like their edginess or 894 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,160 Speaker 1: whatever the funk it is. And now, whether we we 895 00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,640 Speaker 1: can control it or not, there are a lot of 896 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,560 Speaker 1: people that are just existing off of their personality more 897 00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,359 Speaker 1: than an actual skill set. And until we can go 898 00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,839 Speaker 1: back to celebrating skill sets, we're gonna be chasing our 899 00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,200 Speaker 1: tails in this ship. I feel like our last like leader. 900 00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,560 Speaker 1: And I'm saying because we lost a bunch at one 901 00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,760 Speaker 1: time because of the pandemic, but our last like leader, 902 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,880 Speaker 1: I feel like it Nipsey hustle as far as like 903 00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,040 Speaker 1: at least the niggas, I like, that's the type of 904 00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,160 Speaker 1: person that I would can that are a leader? Yeah, 905 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,799 Speaker 1: a lot of my niggas. Because he'll say things that 906 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,000 Speaker 1: will resonate and make you think about your life and 907 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:07,560 Speaker 1: want to change it, you know what I'm saying. And 908 00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,960 Speaker 1: there's not that many of those anymore. We had a 909 00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,120 Speaker 1: lot more of those when I was a kid, for sure, 910 00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,200 Speaker 1: Like these people that even even if they weren't doing that, 911 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,759 Speaker 1: like just these larger than life inaccessible personalities. And it's 912 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,799 Speaker 1: not to say like obviously the internet makes that a 913 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,560 Speaker 1: lot harder to but also these personalities are a little 914 00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,520 Speaker 1: bit all the same now, you know what I'm saying, 915 00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,680 Speaker 1: all ruded and kind of the same thing. We all 916 00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,399 Speaker 1: do this, we all like this, we all go here, 917 00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,080 Speaker 1: we all like this ship. That's how we live like this. 918 00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,239 Speaker 1: We just need more standout personalities to take charge in 919 00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,280 Speaker 1: the black community, thinks. And I don't know how we 920 00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,280 Speaker 1: we make that, but I do think at least acknowledging 921 00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,920 Speaker 1: people's skills and their goodness is a is a starting point. 922 00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,160 Speaker 1: But we need more black comedians to be really, really 923 00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,600 Speaker 1: famous yesterday. And that's what I mean is like you 924 00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,680 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You know, eight hunted nigga. Everybody 925 00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,960 Speaker 1: on your list of people on your cast excluding me, 926 00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,719 Speaker 1: is a goddamn generational talent or whatever it is they do. 927 00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,120 Speaker 1: This has been a phenomenal episode and I'm a big fan. 928 00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,680 Speaker 1: You watch your mouth. I know these niggas. When I 929 00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:12,919 Speaker 1: went to when I found your podcast just because I Google, 930 00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,480 Speaker 1: I looked up Zach Fox and I was like, oh, 931 00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,600 Speaker 1: this is two of my niggas right here. And I'm like, oh, 932 00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,279 Speaker 1: this is good. Then I started looking at the list, 933 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:20,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I'm a fan of them. I'm afan 934 00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,719 Speaker 1: of them. These niggas need to be bigger. And it's like, 935 00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:25,920 Speaker 1: it's it's not them, you know what I'm saying. The 936 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,080 Speaker 1: talents there, the work is there, it's just the world. Yeah, 937 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,919 Speaker 1: it is very hard to be any version of what 938 00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,839 Speaker 1: your talent is set up to be right that Like, 939 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,440 Speaker 1: you have to figure out a almost a scam sometimes 940 00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,800 Speaker 1: to make the world see you as a talented person 941 00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,840 Speaker 1: you may already be. And that's the scary part about 942 00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,080 Speaker 1: all of this game. It's like, truly, we're not just 943 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,520 Speaker 1: figuring out how to get good at a job. We're 944 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,240 Speaker 1: then figuring out a way to trick someone into looking 945 00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,920 Speaker 1: at us long enough to go, fuck, he's good at 946 00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,839 Speaker 1: that job. It's like you gotta spend time getting real, 947 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,279 Speaker 1: real good at some ship. Then you've gotta straight away 948 00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,600 Speaker 1: from that and spend time trying to figure out how 949 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,480 Speaker 1: to make people watch you do that ship that you're 950 00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:14,719 Speaker 1: amazing at now Exactly, it's a miserables. That's part of 951 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,640 Speaker 1: that's part of the hustle. Yeah, that's just life in general. 952 00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,960 Speaker 1: But I don't want that to happen to people who 953 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,200 Speaker 1: have like a quick strike opportunity. Some of these people 954 00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,760 Speaker 1: are not aiming their lives towards having a viral moment 955 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,239 Speaker 1: or having a viral dance, you know what I'm saying. 956 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:30,920 Speaker 1: And so when they get it, I want them to 957 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,279 Speaker 1: keep it, yeah, saying when they get it, I want 958 00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,879 Speaker 1: them to keep it. I always think about, um, the 959 00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,080 Speaker 1: the lady that uh ain't nobody got time for that? 960 00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,640 Speaker 1: That that late bro, what's upwhere her? Well, I'll say this, 961 00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,920 Speaker 1: and this is I think a little bit of a 962 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,160 Speaker 1: hopeful ending for for what we've been talking about. Is 963 00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:54,560 Speaker 1: she was a lady struggling with drugs. She was in 964 00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:58,919 Speaker 1: a fire and then got went viral, and she capitalized 965 00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,720 Speaker 1: on that moment her teeth fixed and then did fucking 966 00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,359 Speaker 1: commercials for the dentists that fixed her teeth and got 967 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,400 Speaker 1: paid off the ship. And I don't know if she 968 00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,080 Speaker 1: was able to like to modify it beyond that point, 969 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,120 Speaker 1: but I do think that even that is a beautiful 970 00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:18,319 Speaker 1: sort of like, okay, this is correct for what she 971 00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,600 Speaker 1: offered us. She became a meme that we all enjoyed. 972 00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,680 Speaker 1: If nothing else, let this lady have some new teeth 973 00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,320 Speaker 1: and some money to be able to like move forward 974 00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,319 Speaker 1: however she chooses. Yeah, yeah, that's the new ship. Bro. 975 00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,040 Speaker 1: If you get like, if you have a viral moment, 976 00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,080 Speaker 1: you should give you, like whatever, the two things you 977 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:39,279 Speaker 1: need most. I love that, and then you can have it, bro. 978 00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,040 Speaker 1: Then you can put it in the Wendy's commercial, McDonald's whatever, 979 00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,120 Speaker 1: so long, John Silvers, whatever, and they can put it 980 00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,680 Speaker 1: go ahead. But yeah, fix my back and get me 981 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,239 Speaker 1: a new bed. You don't need to fix. You don't 982 00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,799 Speaker 1: need to to set me up for life. But if 983 00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,200 Speaker 1: you know I'm sleeping on a mattress on the floor, 984 00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,839 Speaker 1: get me a bed frame and help me out. It's 985 00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,880 Speaker 1: like people who go role for like having some fileship 986 00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,040 Speaker 1: at the crib or having a file crib and they 987 00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,080 Speaker 1: throw that ship up on Damn Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy, send 988 00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:11,239 Speaker 1: that motherfucker check, bro, so they can stop doing that 989 00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:17,960 Speaker 1: this show anymore. Help them, help them, bro, Like they're sad, 990 00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,040 Speaker 1: Like I remember I've seen. I think I saw Drew 991 00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,600 Speaker 1: Sky on a five South talking to DC Young fly In. 992 00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:24,600 Speaker 1: DC Young Flyer was talking about how he didn't have 993 00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,560 Speaker 1: the resources to shoot these big videos that King Bacha 994 00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,440 Speaker 1: was making. He had to just show he had around him, 995 00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,799 Speaker 1: so he was making vines of the cockroaches on his 996 00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:37,120 Speaker 1: wall to which too, because Drew Ski was like, I 997 00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,200 Speaker 1: remember that he was on VON and he was taking 998 00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,520 Speaker 1: videos of cockroaches on your wall, and I'm like, is 999 00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,799 Speaker 1: this nigga okay? Like we need to send in and 1000 00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,359 Speaker 1: he's like and then that was DC's response was, well, 1001 00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,280 Speaker 1: these niggas on Vaughn is making these big production movies 1002 00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,400 Speaker 1: in these six seconds. I ain't got a movie studio, 1003 00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,080 Speaker 1: I't on cameras for no explosions. So I'm using what 1004 00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:55,719 Speaker 1: I got, you know what I'm saying in here, And 1005 00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,080 Speaker 1: look at him. He's a super He's a goddamn superstar. Now, no, 1006 00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,880 Speaker 1: I mean it, it's crazy and like to that point, 1007 00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,080 Speaker 1: like I even you know, I'm not a person without resources, 1008 00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,120 Speaker 1: but like even just being able to put together a 1009 00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:11,040 Speaker 1: self tape of like yo, I need another person to 1010 00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,800 Speaker 1: be to set up a camera. I need somebody to 1011 00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,760 Speaker 1: read lines. Maybe it's that same person, but you need 1012 00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,160 Speaker 1: a level of like commitment from your community and from 1013 00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,480 Speaker 1: around you to even make that ship happen. So the 1014 00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:26,440 Speaker 1: fact that these dudes we're making full production, three camera 1015 00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:30,720 Speaker 1: productions for internet videos tells you that they were sitting 1016 00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,120 Speaker 1: on profit already, or at least sitting on a cushion 1017 00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,719 Speaker 1: that to the point that d C was making, he 1018 00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,560 Speaker 1: didn't have And unless somebody is gonna come in and 1019 00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:41,560 Speaker 1: be like, yo, I see a potential in him, and 1020 00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:45,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make sure he gets correctly compensated for that potential, 1021 00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:49,840 Speaker 1: he's just gonna be a nigga making roach video Roach videos. Bro. 1022 00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,200 Speaker 1: It's like anytime you see somebody do a quick dance 1023 00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,040 Speaker 1: move on the tail, but nobody tagged them and they 1024 00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,600 Speaker 1: weren't the posted person to post it. They were just 1025 00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,279 Speaker 1: caught doing the dance moved. Nike is never my never 1026 00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:04,320 Speaker 1: even know that he went viral. Well, that he changed 1027 00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,399 Speaker 1: the world a little bit, you know what I'm saying, Like, 1028 00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:10,480 Speaker 1: that's just crazy. You should be given something for making 1029 00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,080 Speaker 1: kids in Wisconsin do your fucking dance move while you 1030 00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:17,360 Speaker 1: was outside of the projects. That's just what it is, 1031 00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,799 Speaker 1: pretty straightforward two things you need. I love that. I 1032 00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,799 Speaker 1: think that's the I think that's the thesis, the real 1033 00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,839 Speaker 1: big takeaway. We can leave everybody with, Give people two 1034 00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,720 Speaker 1: things they need for the great things they need in life, 1035 00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:33,120 Speaker 1: for their contributions, and then do what you will or 1036 00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,279 Speaker 1: we're gonna smack you. That's the new ship, bro, we 1037 00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:42,040 Speaker 1: gonna start pulling up and smacking people tough. Do that? 1038 00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:48,200 Speaker 1: Do that dance again real quick? Yeah? All right, I 1039 00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,680 Speaker 1: think we did it. Michael, did you tell the people 1040 00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:52,959 Speaker 1: at home where they can find you what cool ship 1041 00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,719 Speaker 1: you have? Yeah? Man, Michael Christmas, my birthday is in 1042 00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,000 Speaker 1: like a week. That's like probably my only cool ship. 1043 00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:02,000 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna trying to should happen around it. Um, 1044 00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,160 Speaker 1: I got dumb music out of music, Spotify that stuff, 1045 00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:09,160 Speaker 1: Michael Christmas at, Michael Christmas on Instagram, making Christmas on Twitter, 1046 00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,000 Speaker 1: and yeah, go enjoy some of that. I've also been 1047 00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,799 Speaker 1: dabbling and stand up. So if you end Boston, specifically 1048 00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,360 Speaker 1: on a Wednesday night, you walk into an empty bar 1049 00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,680 Speaker 1: and see a stage I might be on. All right, 1050 00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,600 Speaker 1: well go watch Michael do stand up. More importantly, go 1051 00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:27,680 Speaker 1: listen to his music. It's fired. Support, support, support and 1052 00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,200 Speaker 1: As always, you can follow me at Langston Kerman all 1053 00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,520 Speaker 1: of my bullshit. I don't make no music, but yeah, 1054 00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:39,080 Speaker 1: it's nonsense either way. And uh, you can uh subscribe 1055 00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,120 Speaker 1: to the podcast, you can review do the thing I 1056 00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:43,600 Speaker 1: don't know, And if you want to send me your 1057 00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,000 Speaker 1: own conspiracy theories or drops, you can send them to 1058 00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:50,040 Speaker 1: my Mama pod at gmail dot com. Okay, that's it. 1059 00:57:50,640 --> 00:58:07,000 Speaker 1: By bit Unclela bears were racist. The Oasto player for 1060 00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:12,680 Speaker 1: oasting money versions of many turkey stuff in I can't 1061 00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:13,680 Speaker 1: tell me about