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Speaker 1: you through it. They've been protecting Tennesseeans for seventy five years. Hello,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the Titans Amy and Coach Mac Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I am Amy Wells, joined of course by Coach Mac

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Speaker 1: and Mac. I had an idea and I didn't run

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Speaker 1: it by you at all, so we're just gonna do it.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to your show. Well, look, all of your ideas

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Speaker 1: are tremendous, and so as any good coaching staff. You know,

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Speaker 1: when you've got a coordinator or a head coach, it

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Speaker 1: has an idea, it's normally good. So let's go all right. Well,

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Speaker 1: I like that analogy a lot because I think that

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Speaker 1: makes me the head coach of this podcast. It does

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Speaker 1: all right? Cool. We had a lot of conversations with

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Speaker 1: people from around the NFL, and some of them were

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Speaker 1: names that people be pretty familiar with, and some of

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Speaker 1: them were names that people may not have heard before.

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Speaker 1: And so I figured, let's put this all together in

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Speaker 1: a series and let's call it the Names You should

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Speaker 1: know in the NFL. I like that a lot, And

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Speaker 1: you're right. We went to the combine and interacted with

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Speaker 1: a lot of people and they sat down with us.

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Speaker 1: I know a few people in this league, you know,

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Speaker 1: after having been in it, awhile, and so I think

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Speaker 1: it's a great idea and our listeners, I think will

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Speaker 1: love it. Yeah, So here's the thing you need to

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Speaker 1: know about this series that we are starting. Will you

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Speaker 1: know every name on this list before you listen to

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Speaker 1: this series? Probably not. Will you be a better NFL

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Speaker 1: fan after listening to this series? I say yes, you

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Speaker 1: might even be a better person. Well, you'll be more

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Speaker 1: informed because there are a lot of layers to the

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Speaker 1: National Football League, as you will know, and really you

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Speaker 1: can't know all the layers unless you've been in it.

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Speaker 1: You and I, Ashley, Mike Keith, we've been in it

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Speaker 1: for quite a while. I've been longer than you guys.

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Speaker 1: But with that in mind, there's a lot of things

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Speaker 1: Because sometimes you just take for granted, well this is

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Speaker 1: And we've got some people that started some really significant

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Speaker 1: leads us perfectly into the person that we are kicking

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Speaker 1: of Mike Gettings. You say, who is Mike Gettings, Well, Mac,

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Speaker 1: he has a very interesting place in the fabric of

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Speaker 1: And then Gettings would get feedback from general managers, they

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Speaker 1: our conversation with Mike Gettings. Mac. Our next guest is

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Speaker 1: Mike Gettings, And this is so interesting to me because

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Speaker 1: Pro Scout Incorporated. That is your business, and I'm kind

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Speaker 1: Football League. I mean, that's what it Yeah, that's that's

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Speaker 1: what it did. That's why I so wanted to have

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Speaker 1: you guys were the ground floor of it. You really were.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing that I think you're always able

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Speaker 1: long and people begin to trust you so much, you

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Speaker 1: could kind of and coaching staffs stayed together for a

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Speaker 1: long time, you could start to match players to staff

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Speaker 1: because you know what people wanted. Yeah, absolutely that would

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Speaker 1: you know, understanding exactly what you liked on defense, you know, like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean to give, say Jeff not a hard running

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Speaker 1: and it would be a short period of time and

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Speaker 1: exactly you build up that trust of Okay, you know,

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Speaker 1: kids and pro scouts understand what we're looking for. The

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Speaker 1: names he recommends, I'll go look because it's the type

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Speaker 1: of player I want. And whether you know, and it

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Speaker 1: chooses you say, the backup and knowing that he's got

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Speaker 1: to play good special teams and and and or be

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Speaker 1: you know, a guy that's not going to make errors.

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Speaker 1: You know, like the third running backs got to play

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Speaker 1: special team, all of them and if he has to,

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Speaker 1: he's got to maybe go play a little h back.

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Speaker 1: You know, so I need a smart at it's not

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Speaker 1: going to make errors. Yeah, I know he's not as

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Speaker 1: physically gifted as my number one, but this is what

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Speaker 1: I want as my number three. It has been said

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Speaker 1: throughout a variety of NFL circles that the contributions that

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Speaker 1: you guys have made with this service, with the creation

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Speaker 1: of scouting and the way that it is today, that

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Speaker 1: you guys deserve to be in the Pro Football Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame for your contributions. What is it like to

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Speaker 1: even be considered as someone who has made a contribution

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Speaker 1: of that magnitude to something as big as the NFL.

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Speaker 1: That's really very very kind. I look at Combine where

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Speaker 1: you know, I get to see the coaches and the

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Speaker 1: assistants and the gms and the owners, you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: two three times a year max, and just kind of

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Speaker 1: seeing them and and the longevity the stories. You know,

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Speaker 1: I get excited when when they when when they have

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Speaker 1: success and they win and you meet like young, bright

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Speaker 1: young coaches and and and you see them become head

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Speaker 1: coaches as you tell them, I'm I'm a fan, and

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Speaker 1: I'm passionate about the NFL. And there's just a lot

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Speaker 1: of good people and that's kind of there. There's you know,

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Speaker 1: being lucky to play in college. There's nothing better than

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Speaker 1: a than a football locker room. Awesome. Well, Mike Gettings,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for taking some time to chat

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Speaker 1: with us. This has been Mac has just been incredible. Well.

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Speaker 1: I told you kids would be great because I mean

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Speaker 1: he is I mean, he and his dad are there

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Speaker 1: are icons in this in this business and and you

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Speaker 1: you said it very well, Amy with with with what

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Speaker 1: their contributions have been amazing I love the story and

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Speaker 1: our listeners, look, this is an inside to the inside here. Actually,

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Speaker 1: Mike Gettings told us that he and his buddies would

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Speaker 1: sit down and hand color the first manuals in the

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Speaker 1: first books. Think about that in this day and age.

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Speaker 1: This is this is really NFL history here, and kids

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Speaker 1: can't thank you enough. Brother, You're a good man. Thanks.

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Speaker 1: Coach mack enjoyed it. Mac. There's so much NFL history

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Speaker 1: associated with one group of people, and I think that

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Speaker 1: is just so cool what it really is. And that's

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Speaker 1: why I asked Mike when I saw him there at

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Speaker 1: the combine, you know if he would if he would

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Speaker 1: jump on and do something with us, and he loved it.

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Speaker 1: He said absolutely, Mike, you know what, whatever you would

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Speaker 1: like And I said, I said, this is legit. I said,

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Speaker 1: we do legit stuff here, Titans coach Mike Podcast. He said,

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Speaker 1: I would. I would love to do that. So I'm

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Speaker 1: really glad that he did it. And as I said,

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Speaker 1: he and his dad are a big part of the

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Speaker 1: fiber in the fabric of the National Football League, in

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Speaker 1: the personnel department. And I think that this is an

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Speaker 1: important way for our listeners to learn even more about

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Speaker 1: the National Football League and the creation of it and

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Speaker 1: just what makes this league so freaking cool. Yeah. And

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Speaker 1: if you want to get the Gettings Report, and you've

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Speaker 1: got an extra hundred and fifty thousand dollars laying around,

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Speaker 1: you can get it now. Well there you go. Look

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Speaker 1: at that, just something you can invest in. I think

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Speaker 1: that's great, Mac. We may as well, we'll just start

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Speaker 1: dealing them out there we go, Oh man, coach Mac.

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Speaker 1: Anything else to add about Mike Gettings, No, I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's he's been a friend for a long time. You know.

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Speaker 1: I got associated with him very very early in my career.

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Speaker 1: Jeff Fisher's very close to him, and so you know,

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Speaker 1: throughout throughout the years, just really respect you know, what

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Speaker 1: he does. And here's the other thing about Mike Gettings,

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Speaker 1: Like everybody in the National Football League, he knows much

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Speaker 1: more than he ever says. And that's the only way

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Speaker 1: that you gained trust in this league. I know much

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Speaker 1: more than I say. But that's when people will when

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Speaker 1: you can talk within those circles and you can share

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Speaker 1: things and know that they will go no further than that.

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Speaker 1: And Mike Gettings is that you could always trust him

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Speaker 1: and that's a big part of this. Well, Mac, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for hanging out with us a little

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Speaker 1: bit on the Titans Amien Coach Mac Podcast. I think

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Speaker 1: this series is going to be pretty cool, very cool.

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Speaker 1: It's a great idea that you had and I'm glad

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Speaker 1: we're able to get enough people that wanted to talk

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Speaker 1: to us there and we could have talked to a

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Speaker 1: lot more, but we had to leave. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: at some point they kick us out, So that's the

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Speaker 1: way it is. But names you need to know in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. It's a revolution. We are going to continue

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Speaker 1: to bring you some names that we think it's important

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Speaker 1: for you to know in the National Football League to

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Speaker 1: help you get ready for the upcoming twenty twenty two

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Speaker 1: season which is rapidly approaching. So for Amy Wells and

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Speaker 1: of course Coach Mack, thank you for listening to the

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Speaker 1: Titans Amy and Coach Mac podcast