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Speaker 2: Enjoy the episode.

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Speaker 3: We were headed home. Worked thirty miles from home, so

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Speaker 3: it's a bit of a drive. We loaded up all

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Speaker 3: our equipment in the back of the truck.

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Speaker 4: There.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's tired, so there was various conversations going on in

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Speaker 3: the truck. Two here or too there like that. As

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Speaker 3: we were jouncing along this little logging trail, I could

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Speaker 3: see a glow through the trees up ahead. The whole

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Speaker 3: clearing there had this really strange glow to it, sort

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Speaker 3: of a feel. I don't know, maybe there was some

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Speaker 3: had a really weird vibe to it. It made things

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Speaker 3: you see at work all day look really strange in

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Speaker 3: this strange glow. We got to a point where we

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Speaker 3: were past the thickest part of the growth and we

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Speaker 3: could see the source of this light boom therewise. It

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Speaker 3: was unmistakable.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to high strange. I traveled to Snowflake, Arizona, to

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Speaker 1: meet with a man named Travis Walton. In nineteen seventy five,

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Speaker 1: he was working with a logging crew deep in the

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Speaker 1: woods outside of town when they encountered a flying saucer.

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Speaker 1: There were seven witnesses in the truck who all claimed

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Speaker 1: to have seen the same thing. But the story only

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Speaker 1: really begins there, because immediately after their alleged UFO sighting,

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Speaker 1: Travis Walton would go missing five whole days, while his

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Speaker 1: coworkers were interrogated by police and under suspicion of murder.

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Speaker 2: On the night of November.

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Speaker 1: Fifth, nineteen seventy five, as Travis and his crew were

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Speaker 1: driving home, they noticed a bright light in the sky

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Speaker 3: Boom, there it was. It was just unmistakable. It was

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Speaker 3: clearly a metallic disk. Nothing between us and it. Some

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Speaker 3: indistinct glow suddenly becomes this craft hovering there. I yelled

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Speaker 3: might stop the truck, and as soon as he stopped,

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Speaker 3: I threw open the door, thinking this thing would just

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Speaker 3: take off. It's just a real common thing. You get

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Speaker 3: a glimpse of a wolf or a mountain lion or something,

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Speaker 3: It's gone before they came and turned their head. I

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Speaker 3: kind of had that feeling about it, that it would

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Speaker 3: and started towards it. I just acted on impulse. It

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Speaker 3: definitely alarmed the other guys. They're calling at me to

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Speaker 2: Most lying head.

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Speaker 3: I was just hoping it would take off before I

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Speaker 3: got any closer. It was a pale, golden color, metallic.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of like when you look at a television screen.

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Speaker 3: It's a source of light, but at the same time,

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Speaker 3: the light from the window is reflecting off the screen.

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Speaker 3: I could see the surrounding trees reflected off the surface

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Speaker 3: at the same time it was glowing. Guys were yelling

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Speaker 3: at me to get back in the truck and swearing

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Speaker 3: at me, let's get the hell out of here. I

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Speaker 3: didn't want to act scared. I was trying to act brave,

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Speaker 3: but I was terrified. The sound that was making was

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Speaker 3: very complex mixture of tones. There was a high pitched frequency,

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Speaker 3: and there was a low, throbbing, sort of a real

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Speaker 3: super base note. The frequency there was so wide that

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Speaker 3: The sound suddenly got louder when it started to move.

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Speaker 3: When I jumped for cover, I just sort of dove

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Speaker 3: and now I'm practically underneath it, screaming at me and

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Speaker 3: stunning force, electric shock, feeling like getting hit by truck.

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Speaker 1: On November fifth, nineteen seventy five, Travis Walton had an

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Speaker 2: Course of his life forever.

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Speaker 1: His six coworkers claimed to have seen Travis struck by

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Speaker 1: a bluish green beam of light and sent him flying

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Speaker 1: quickly deciding they needed to go back, but when they

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Speaker 1: they would instantly become suspects in its disappearance.

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Speaker 5: The encounter took place in the Sitgreaves National Forest in

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Speaker 5: eastern Arizona, on the edge of the Mogoyan Rim.

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Speaker 6: They just knocked him backwards through the air, like as

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Speaker 6: if some sort of an explosion had gone off in

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Speaker 5: After seeing travistruck, the other crew members did not want

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Speaker 7: Mike Rogers and the other five witnesses returned only to

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Speaker 7: find Travis missing. After they told their astounding story to

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Speaker 7: search for Travis Walton proceeded for three days, dogs and helicopters.

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Speaker 7: They were unable to find him or any signs of

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Speaker 5: Travis was missing for five days as people searched the

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, according to Travis, his nightmare was really just beginning.

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Speaker 3: But next thing I knew, I was waking up.

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Speaker 2: What'd you see around you when you woke up?

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Speaker 3: It was just a light above me, and the ceiling

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Speaker 3: was so close. I figured that maybe I was in

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Speaker 3: hurt my eyes to look at it. Everything else was

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Speaker 3: I was in a lot of pain. I felt like

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Speaker 3: something was seriously wrong. I felt mortally wounded. I finally

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Speaker 3: did look around. Everything was blurry. I couldn't focus real good.

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Speaker 3: I could see what I thought were doctors standing over me.

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Speaker 3: I assumed they were doctors at first, cause my vision

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Speaker 3: I could see the faces of these creatures. They were small, hairless,

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Speaker 3: huge eyes, and I think that partially explained the dim

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Speaker 3: the situation. That instant jolt of fear made me much

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Speaker 3: I tried to roll away from them, rolled off of

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Speaker 3: They weren't close enough to actually hit, but I was

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Speaker 3: making it clear that if they did approach me, that

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Speaker 3: I would fight against them. With them, I was thinking

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Speaker 3: came together real fast. Before I could put that little

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Speaker 3: the door. That was my chance to escape, find a

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Speaker 3: I felt suffocation. I don't know whether that was an

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Speaker 3: or if there was something not appropriate for humans in

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Speaker 3: You know, I didn't really have a picture in my

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Speaker 3: blindly looking for openings. There was a room. I approached

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Speaker 3: things didn't seem to do anything at all. There was

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Speaker 3: the door I had come through. When I turned and

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Speaker 3: I saw a man that I immediately concluded was someone

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Speaker 3: there to save me from these monsters. Looked like a

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Speaker 3: Took me out of the craft. There was a ramp

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Speaker 3: not stairs going down looked really too steep to be

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Speaker 3: much brighter outside. It had been comparatively dark in the

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Speaker 3: what looked like sunlight coming through a lot cooler, wasn't

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Speaker 3: There was some other disc shaped metallic craft of a

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Speaker 3: different configuration, more rounded. But mainly I was very concerned

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Speaker 3: This room that we were in was huge. It was

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Speaker 3: except without the helmets. So I'm thinking, finally, somebody can

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Speaker 3: tell me what's going on. So I start begging for answers,

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Speaker 3: me to lay down on this table there, and I

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Speaker 3: I was still very weak. I was feeling real shaky

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Speaker 1: This story sounds absolutely unbelievable, trust me, I know. But

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Speaker 1: while Travis Walton was missing for five days, the police

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Speaker 1: also found this unbelievable. The six men who witnessed Travis

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Speaker 1: being struck by the beam from the craft were being

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Speaker 1: investigated for murder. Five days feels like a very long

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Speaker 1: time to keep up a hoax when you're starting to

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Speaker 1: face potential murder charges.

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Speaker 2: Out of the five days Travis was.

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Speaker 1: Unaccounted for, he remembers only one hour total and nothing else.

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Speaker 6: This was a very emotional thing for Travis's family and

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Speaker 6: whole lives have been disrupted by this. We wondered if

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Speaker 7: Arrangements were made for PSI Gilson, a highly qualified polygraph

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Speaker 7: examiner to conduct the polygraphs on the six witnesses to

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Speaker 7: Travis Walton's UNO encounter. Did the utmost care in administering

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Speaker 7: these light detected tests was exercise. Because the men were

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Speaker 3: He might be dead, and the sheriff's ears purke of

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Speaker 7: And attend search for Travis Walton proceeded. For three days,

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Speaker 1: The six witnesses to Travis Walton's UFO encounter have made

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Speaker 1: Travis went flying like he've been touched by a live wire.

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Speaker 1: Steve Pierce that ray was the brightest thing I've ever

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Speaker 1: The UFO was smooth and giving off a yellowish orange light.

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Speaker 1: Mike Rogers in nineteen seventy five said, I've been working

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Speaker 2: Then again in nineteen ninety five.

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Speaker 1: I've been working these woods for over thirty years, and

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Speaker 2: Sorry, we're just kidding. He's right here.

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Speaker 1: I definitely wouldn't demand for truth serum or a polygraph test.

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Speaker 8: He spent five days on the UFO.

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Speaker 4: For all intent and purposes, he spent five days on there.

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Speaker 4: He did come in contact with some beings or human like,

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Speaker 3: Duane, you know your own brother probably better than anybody else.

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Speaker 2: Do you believe the story?

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Speaker 5: I've never seen him play a practical joke and as

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Speaker 2: What do you say to those who just say, oh,

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, to each his own. People have all

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Speaker 3: It all comes down to facts and reasoning. Are your

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Speaker 1: It makes complete sense to me how any rational person

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Speaker 4: I don't know mother Travis Walton selling the truth or not.

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Speaker 4: As I stand here totally open minded. The Travis Walton

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Speaker 1: This is Cleve Baxter, an interrogation expert for the CIA.

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Speaker 8: Before Travis Walton reappeared.

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Speaker 4: After the alleged production, the Arizona Department of Public Safety

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Speaker 8: Five of them passed. One of them is inconclusive merely.

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Speaker 4: Because of the person's general nervous tension, not because there

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Speaker 8: In our opinion they're being deceptive or what we don't know.

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Speaker 3: There was certain forensic that went on at the site.

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Speaker 2: Do you want people to believe you?

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Speaker 3: I think it's important for people to understand that this

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Speaker 1: Do you realize how unbelievable it could sound to somebody.

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Speaker 3: in my own perception of it. The fascination sometimes hinges

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Speaker 3: on the fact that people think of this as some

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Speaker 3: nightmare except the reality of the phenomenon. But let's set

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Speaker 3: aside the idea that it's something to be afraid of.

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Speaker 2: Here's Leslie Kane again.

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Speaker 9: What makes a case credible is when there's a lot

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Speaker 9: of data. Definitely, multiple witnesses is a basic criteria. I

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Speaker 9: think the abduction cases are less credible because there just

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Speaker 9: isn't enough evidence to prove those stories. I mean, they

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Speaker 9: obviously meant a lot to the people, but let's just

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Speaker 9: put those aside because I don't work on those cases anyway.

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Speaker 9: If the fact is that we're not alone, it's a

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Speaker 9: scientific fact, like knowing that the Earth revolves around the Sun. Right,

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Speaker 9: or knowing that the Earth isn't flat. Everyone has a

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Speaker 9: right to know. Other people make arguments that if it's

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Speaker 9: going to be really harmful, maybe it's better not to know.

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Speaker 9: We think of ourselves as being the top of the

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Speaker 9: food chain, right, We're it to imagine that that's actually

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Speaker 9: not the case. We don't know the psychological effect that's

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Speaker 9: going to have. We don't know what effect it will

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Speaker 9: have on religion, on economic institutions. We don't know how

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Speaker 9: that'll affect our interaction with other countries who are also

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Speaker 9: working on this. Maybe it'll be a good thing because

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Speaker 9: we'll unify. There's one planetary civilization who has to face

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Speaker 9: this external reality. A lot of others believe they'll just

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Speaker 9: be a lot of disturbances in our social fabric.

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Speaker 2: I agree with Leslie here.

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Speaker 1: If the government, or any entity for that matter, knows

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Speaker 1: something profound, like the existence of extraterrestrial beings, everyone should

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Speaker 1: have the right to know. But society has had a

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Speaker 1: long track record of struggling to accept new information. Many

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Speaker 1: great minds throughout history have been labeled a heretic for

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Speaker 1: their own profound discoveries. Example, Giordano Bruno, an Italian philosopher

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Speaker 1: from the fifteen hundreds believe that the universe was infinite

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Speaker 1: in size and that the Earth is not the center

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Speaker 1: of it.

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Speaker 2: People didn't like that very much.

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Speaker 1: He was sentenced to seven years in prison and eventually

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Speaker 1: ordered to be burned at the stake by the Pope.

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Speaker 2: Everything he said was true.

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Speaker 10: This is the ultimate human story, isn't it?

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Speaker 3: Are we alone?

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Speaker 2: Here's Brian bender again, a.

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Speaker 10: Mystery that has been dogging us basically since the beginning

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Speaker 10: of recorded human history. John Winthrop, who was governor of

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Speaker 10: the Massachusetts Bay Colony in the sixteen hundreds, there's several

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Speaker 10: entries in his diary of this mass hysteria off Boston

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Speaker 10: when these fishermen came back. If you read it today,

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Speaker 10: sounds a whole lot like the pig packs.

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Speaker 1: On March first, sixteen thirty nine, John Winthrop wrote in

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Speaker 1: his diary about a very unusual event what he described

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Speaker 1: as a quote sober and discreet man witnessed strange glowing

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Speaker 1: objects in the sky darting back and.

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Speaker 2: Forth over the village of Charlestown.

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Speaker 1: He describes them as swift as an arrow, and that

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Speaker 1: many other credible people saw the same lights at the

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Speaker 1: same place. Among other notable accounts of UFOs and American history.

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Speaker 1: Our own US presidents have made numerous comments over the years,

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Speaker 1: including Jimmy Carter.

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Speaker 11: We saw of bright light up here in the distant

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Speaker 11: western skies, and it got closer and closer, and when

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Speaker 11: it was just above the treetops, hit changed color. And

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Speaker 11: then they stayed there for a while, and then it

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Speaker 11: disappeared into the distance. And I still don't know what

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Speaker 11: it was.

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Speaker 2: Here's Barack Obama.

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Speaker 12: There's footage and records of objects in the skies that

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Speaker 12: we don't know exactly what they are. We can't explain

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Speaker 12: how they moved their trajectory.

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Speaker 13: And Ronald Reagan, we often forget how much unites all

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Speaker 13: the members of humanity. Perhaps we need some outside universal

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Speaker 13: threat to make us recognize this common bound. I occasionally

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Speaker 13: think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we

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Speaker 13: were facing an aai in threat from outside this.

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Speaker 1: World, just like the Roswell incident in nineteen forty seven.

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Speaker 1: UFOs and aliens are also famously synonymous with a top

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Speaker 1: secret military base in the desert of Nevada, best known

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Speaker 1: as Area fifty one. For decades, there have been countless

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Speaker 1: rumors of alien bodies and spacecraft being hidden and tested there,

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Speaker 1: stuff that was stretched the limits of pretty much anyone's imagination.

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Speaker 1: And regardless of all the conspiracy chatter, what remains true

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Speaker 1: is its existence.

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Speaker 9: Area fifty ones like part of this mythology, it's just

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Speaker 9: become the sort of mecca for people. For a while,

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Speaker 9: they wouldn't even acknowledge there was.

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Speaker 3: Such a place.

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Speaker 9: We know it exists, but it's extremely secretive.

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Speaker 1: The highly classified US Air Force facility was created in

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Speaker 1: nineteen fifty five, and it wasn't until twenty thirteen the

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Speaker 1: CIA acknowledged it was actually there, located deep in the

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Speaker 1: desert of Nova, surrounded by mountains, with signs all around

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Speaker 1: the base warning that deadly force will be used on trespassers.

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Speaker 1: It's clear that whatever they do in there, they don't

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Speaker 1: want us knowing about it.

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Speaker 10: If you're building a secret airplane at Area fifty one

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Speaker 10: and you don't want the Russians to know, or the

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Speaker 10: Chinese or anybody else, you're potentially benefiting from this sort

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Speaker 10: of craze of UFO sidings all over the place, and

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Speaker 10: maybe it's even in your interest to kind of spread

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Speaker 10: that a little more. Then people start looking over there,

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Speaker 10: and they don't look over here where you don't want.

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Speaker 3: Them to look.

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Speaker 10: Maybe one of those UFO sidings was actually a test

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Speaker 10: flight of a secret airplane there building.

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Speaker 1: If I'm going to continue down this UFO rabbit hole,

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Speaker 1: which I've clearly committed to doing at this point, then

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Speaker 1: I want to get as close as possible to Area

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Speaker 1: fifty one and see for myself what all the fuss

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Speaker 1: is about.

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Speaker 14: Located in the middle of nowhere, Area fifty one has

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Speaker 14: been at the center of some of this country's most

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Speaker 14: closely guarded secrets, but only now has the government officially

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Speaker 14: acknowledged the existence of Area fifty one in Nevada.

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Speaker 15: The two point nine million acre live fire training range,

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Speaker 15: the largest in the United States, located at Nellis Air

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Speaker 15: Force Base in Nevada.

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Speaker 14: Legions of UFO enthusiasts have long suspected Area fifty one

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Speaker 14: is where the US hides captured aliens.

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Speaker 15: Any attempt to illegally access military installations or military training

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Speaker 15: areas is dangerous.

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Speaker 1: My crew and I flew into Las Vegas and drove

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Speaker 1: over one hundred miles to the desert town of Rachel, Nevada,

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Speaker 1: population forty eight snooping around a top secret military base

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Speaker 1: is not usually advisable, so before we left, I arranged

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Speaker 1: to meet a local guide to help navigate the area.

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Speaker 1: We met at a UFO themed motel in town called

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Speaker 1: Little Aleyen, and we all piled into his four wheel

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Speaker 1: drive truck.

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Speaker 16: The first gate we're going here, This one is the

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Speaker 16: main gate. Where we're going is an entrance, but it's

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Speaker 16: about forty minutes from the base. This is an active base.

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Speaker 16: One people think it isn't it is.

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Speaker 1: The gates to the base are dozens of miles outside town,

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Speaker 1: down bumpy dirt roads with no signage or landmarks whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: You definitely don't want to get stuck out here. There's

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Speaker 1: no cell service for miles.

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Speaker 16: Look how many cameras That one rotates and watches us.

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Speaker 16: That one sometimes will follow you, and then you have

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Speaker 16: three cameras on that pullback. There you have a camera

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Speaker 16: to the right. I don't know of any government installation

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Speaker 16: of any kind in the country that goes to the

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Speaker 16: level of secrecy.

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Speaker 3: This one does.

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Speaker 1: A white truck with heavily tinted windows was parked up

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Speaker 1: on the hill, cameras and listening devices visible, and seemingly

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Speaker 1: all directions. I started to feel an overwhelming rush of excitement,

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Speaker 1: the kind you get as a kid on Christmas morning,

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Speaker 1: and then the rational part of my brain kicked in, asking.

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Speaker 2: Should we be doing this?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'd love to see some aliens, but seriously,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to get shot.

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Speaker 5: This is.

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Speaker 1: My curiosity was peaked, that feeling of playing with fire.

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Speaker 1: What would happen if I hopped that gate? Just how

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Speaker 1: exactly would it all play out?

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Speaker 16: If you cross, they will detain you. I hold you

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Speaker 16: in federal prisons six months to a year.

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Speaker 1: Serious said, I probably shouldn't cross that stop side.

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Speaker 2: Do not go through that gate. I'm not going with you.

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Speaker 2: If you do.

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Speaker 4: Go to spaceship No space White legendame inhabitat and.

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Speaker 3: over pan in the beds of Supert Show Steve bud

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Speaker 3: top Ton avert riding.

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