1 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: Hi guys, and welcome to another new episode of Couch 2 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: Talks on You Need Therapy Podcast. My name is Kat. 3 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: I am the host, and if you do not know 4 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: what couch Talks is, it is the special bonus episode 5 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:25,159 Speaker 1: of You Need Therapy where I answer questions that you, 6 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: guys the listeners, send to me and you can send 7 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: those to Catherine at You Need Therapy podcast dot com. 8 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: I try to answer one question a week, and I 9 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: always keep them anonymous. The only thing that I ask 10 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: of you, guys is if there's something that you don't 11 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 1: want to be read in the actual episode, please either 12 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: let me know or just don't put it in there, 13 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: or change the information around enough so like names and 14 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: stuff like that, so then you can send these in 15 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: and feel really good and you can feel safe about 16 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: me reading them. So I can answer them now. Now, 17 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 1: even though I am answering your questions, I also want 18 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: to remind everybody that this podcast does not serve as 19 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: a replacement or substitute for any actual mental health services. However, 20 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: the hope is that this still can help in some 21 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: way on whatever journey you're on now. The question that 22 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: we are reading today, I hope. My hope is that 23 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: this still can be helpful for the person writing it 24 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: in I wish I could have gotten this one out 25 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:28,919 Speaker 1: a little earlier because it's talking about some time sensitive decisions, 26 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: but I did still want to read it regardless, because 27 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: it's something that I think a lot of people will 28 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: be able to relate to, and just it's a common 29 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: thing that is difficult to kind of process, and we 30 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: can make it a bigger deal than it has to be, 31 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: and so I wanted to give it some space on 32 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: the podcast. So I'm going to read the question in 33 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: the email and then we'll talk about it. So here 34 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: it is. Hey, Kat, I've been dating my partner for 35 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: about six months, and we would both agree that things 36 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: are pretty serious. We moved in together in November and 37 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: we've been talking about getting engaged in the next couple 38 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: of months. We live in the same area as my parents, 39 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: but his family lives out of state, and I'm having 40 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: a hard time deciding what to do for Christmas this year. 41 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: He has obviously spent a lot more time with my 42 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: family because we are closer, and I feel like I 43 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: owe him time with his family. Also, I do want 44 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 1: to get to know his family better. We actually both 45 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: spent Thanksgiving a part with our respective families, but that 46 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: was mainly because I have a job that didn't allow 47 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: me to travel during that week and we didn't really 48 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: talk about that decision strategically. Now he wants me to 49 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: go to his families for Christmas, as there are certain 50 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: family members of his that I haven't even met yet. 51 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: But if I'm being honest, I don't want to. And 52 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: I mean I really don't want to. If we end 53 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: up getting engaged this year, this could be my last 54 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: Christmas to spend with my family as a somewhat single 55 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: person before I'm engaged or possibly even married, and I 56 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 1: would like to take advantage of that. I don't want 57 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: to miss out on the parts of the holiday that 58 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: I love so much, especially if I'm going to have 59 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: to compromise those things during the holidays for the rest 60 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 1: of my life. I am hoping that you can help 61 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: me figure out what the best thing to do here is. 62 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: And if I'm just being totally selfish, thanks, Okay. So 63 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: I just really love this email, and I love this question. 64 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: I don't love that you're struggling with the decision, but 65 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: this is something that so many people can relate to 66 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: and it's I mean, it's difficult. I want to start 67 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: with before we get into the difficulty set, this is 68 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: a fun and exciting problem to have if we think 69 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: it about it a certain way. It doesn't mean you 70 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: have to be grateful for everything, and if you have 71 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: to be grateful for having this be something you're dealing with. 72 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: But it does mean that there are some good things 73 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: in your life, and there are some things that you're 74 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: looking forward to. Now with those things, there's also some 75 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: things you're not looking forward to. And for the sake 76 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: of your question and the decision, we're going to talk 77 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 1: about that right now. So where my mind goes initially 78 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: here is when we are in healthy relationships, there is 79 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: no rush. And I don't mean like your relationship is 80 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: unhealthy because you're moving too fast, because the pace of 81 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: a relationship is really relative to our histories of relationships, 82 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: our age, how what we know each other, what our needs. 83 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: That's not really what I'm getting at here. What I 84 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: mean is that if this is a forever type of relationship, 85 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: there's no rush to hurry up and do all of 86 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: the things that eventually you are going to do when 87 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: it comes to meeting family, developing those kind of relationships 88 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: starting certain traditions, Like you're allowed to take time where 89 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: you want to take time. It doesn't mean you have 90 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,359 Speaker 1: to take time with every single thing, but you're allowed 91 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: to do that. And I want to offer you the 92 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: ability to offer yourself some permission to slow things down 93 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: in certain areas. Not everything has to move that exactly 94 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: the same pace. Just because you live together. It doesn't 95 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 1: mean you guys have to do these other things. You 96 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 1: can take those things in the time that you want 97 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: to take them. And essentially, it sounds like you're going 98 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: to have a lot of time in your future to 99 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: meet the entire family, and I just want you to 100 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: take space to acknowledge that. And like I said before, 101 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: with change, there's always grief, And even when the change 102 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: is good, there can be grief when the change is 103 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: finding a new partner. There's grief in the life and 104 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:01,559 Speaker 1: the traditions that you might be leaving behind, like you said, 105 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: as a single person, or that you might be leaving 106 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: behind in your old family unit. So you're moving from 107 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: being really connected with your kind of family of origin 108 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 1: that you grew up with to then developing and starting 109 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: your own and that is very exciting and there's loss 110 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: in that, and I think it's super fair to want 111 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: to savor parts of your life that you know are 112 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: going to inevitably change and shift, especially if you know 113 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 1: those are going to be shifting in the near future. 114 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: Your partner can be sad and bummed and disappointed and 115 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: not getting to share the holidays with you, and at 116 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: the same time understand your decision and be able to 117 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: reconcile that decision and respect it. So I don't know 118 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: if there's been conversations about that with you. I don't 119 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: know if you guys have sat down and talked about 120 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: what it would be like to not do that. But 121 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: I want you to also leave space for him to 122 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: be sad and understanding those things can happen simultaneously. The 123 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: other part of this is have there been conversations about, well, 124 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: if I don't do this, is there something else I 125 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: can do? Like if I don't go to Christmas with 126 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: your family, how about next year we spend Christmas with 127 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: your family? And if you really want me to meet 128 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: certain people, let's plan a weekend to go do that. 129 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: Let's sit down and talk about when a good time 130 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: would do that. It might not be exactly the same 131 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: but it lets you, guys, both compromise and be seen 132 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: and both of your needs and desires kind of be 133 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: heard and taken into account. So I just would really 134 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: encourage you to also look at is there space to 135 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: meet in the middle. It doesn't always have to be 136 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: he gets his way, she gets his way, she gets 137 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: her away, she gets her away. It can be we 138 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: both get a little bit of our way, you know. 139 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: And again you have it sounds like years, maybe possibly 140 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: the rest of your lives to spend swapping the holidays. 141 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: And sure, you can call it selfish that you are 142 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: wanting to savor this last year with your family. You 143 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: can call that selfish. It can be labeled selfish. Sure, 144 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: let's just say that that is what is happening, and 145 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: that doesn't have to be negative. I think that specifically, 146 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: women are expected to be selfless when it comes to 147 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 1: our relationships and our desires and families. And I don't 148 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: believe that's always reasonable or fair. And while life's not 149 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: always fair, I think that we can push back on 150 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: this a little bit. You're not saying that you don't 151 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: want to meet his family. You're not saying you don't 152 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: care about his family. You're not saying you don't care 153 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: about him. None of that is what you're saying. You're 154 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: saying that you care about savoring a part of your 155 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 1: life that eventually will change, and you're willing to change 156 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 1: that for him, And let's actually lay that out there 157 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: and pay attention to that as well well. So, again, 158 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: being selfish is not always a bad thing. We don't 159 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: have to show up as selfless in order to be 160 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: good or in the okay zone. You're allowed to care 161 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: about things, and you're allowed to ask for what you 162 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: need too. And I would hate for you to go 163 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 1: into a relationship or go into an engagement or something 164 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: like that where you feel guilt or shame for acknowledging 165 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: your needs and your desires that might not always match 166 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 1: up with your partner, because moving forward, there's going to 167 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: be multiple things like that that show up. And I'm 168 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 1: sure you've bumped into that already in your relationship, especially 169 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 1: moving in with somebody. I believe that if you offer 170 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: some alternatives to meet his family, if that's what's really 171 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: important to him, and you share with him really the 172 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: heart of what's going on with you, if your relationship 173 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: is healthy and your partner is supportive and caring, then 174 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: you will be okay. It doesn't mean everybody will just 175 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: be totally happy and thrilled with a decision. Again, people 176 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: can be disappointed, and it doesn't mean that it's bad 177 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: what you did or decided or what you wanted. People 178 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: can have feelings about it doesn't mean you did anything wrong. 179 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: I can be sad about something and also really understand 180 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: somebody and really honor them and appreciate them for sharing 181 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: something with me, and also be sad like that can 182 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: all exists at the same time. So really pay attention 183 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: if this dissonance with deciding what to do or not 184 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: knowing what is the right thing to do is centered 185 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: around not wanting anybody to have uncomfortable feelings. People can 186 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: have uncomfortable feelings and it doesn't have to mean anything 187 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: other than they're having uncomfortable feelings. You don't have to 188 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: be some kind of martyr in this situation, because adults 189 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: can also take care of themselves when they have uncomfortable feelings, 190 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: I believe, especially if we're in healthy places. So thank 191 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 1: you for sending this in. I hope that it can 192 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: be helpful for you, even though you may have already 193 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: decided what to do. You can also apply this stuff 194 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: to other situations that might come up in your lives. 195 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: So remember that if you guys want to send in questions, 196 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: you can do that Catherine at You Need Therapy Podcast. 197 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: You can follow us at you Need Therapy Podcasts and 198 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 1: at Cat dot Defada on Instagram. And next week will 199 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: be the last week before I take a little holiday break. 200 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: So next week we'll have one new Monday episode and 201 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: one new Couch Talks, and then I'll be kind of 202 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: throwing out some of my favorite episodes from the past 203 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: that you guys can catch up on. So if you 204 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: have a question you really want me to answer before 205 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: next year, send that Catherine at you Need Therapy podcast 206 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: dot com. Until then, I hope you guys have the 207 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: day you need to have. Bye.