Speaker 1: Misspelling with Tory Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2: Sorry thanks for having me on your podcast.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, we're like together forever, Like this is
Speaker 1: so wait, what are we?
Speaker 2: You're like the biggest losers dancing with the strassas I
Speaker 2: was seeing.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, wait, so we were the first double elimination.
Speaker 1: We were out.
Speaker 2: They thought, like the blondes have the most fun and
Speaker 2: they would just not get them out of here. Oh
Speaker 2: my gosh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I honestly did not expect to go home the
Speaker 1: first show.
Speaker 2: I did not expect you to go home either, Like
Speaker 2: nothing would surprise me, like in my situation because I'm
Speaker 2: such a wild card. But I was trying and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I kind of improved. At first, I
Speaker 2: had concerns to be on the show because I thought,
Speaker 2: like I was thinking what it was going to do
Speaker 2: to like my image because obviously, like none of the
Speaker 2: older audience can relate to me because of my past.
Speaker 2: So I'm like everyone who's a fan of me, they're
Speaker 2: like on the younger side, and it's not the kind
Speaker 2: of people who like watch live TV necessarily or like
Speaker 2: who know about Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 1: But they wanted a new audience the younger demo, so
Speaker 1: they brought that in.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think what made me think how wild
Speaker 2: our elimination was because they wanted me to do all
Speaker 2: the things that you were like you were, I know,
Speaker 2: like it meant a lot to you, like you were
Speaker 2: into this we pulls exactly.
Speaker 1: It was unlikely besties.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. It's like you you enjoyed the dancing, and
Speaker 2: you're like, we're very vulnerable. Yeah. I think like you
Speaker 2: almost cried during the second dance. Yeah. And I think
Speaker 2: what I feel like when I'm being misunderstood is like
Speaker 2: when I say something is not for me, it doesn't
Speaker 2: mean like, oh I'm better than this, or like I'm
Speaker 2: condescending or something. It's like it's just something it's not
Speaker 2: for me, and it would be I think it's such
Speaker 2: a like Mavnic interpretation of like my comment. Just because
Speaker 2: I say something like being a present is not for me,
Speaker 2: it's not because I'm condescending or I think I'm better
Speaker 2: than something. I think I'm just being realistic and recognizing
Speaker 2: what I'm good at and what i'm not good at.
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean oh, just because I cannot dance, everybody
Speaker 2: that dances it's like stupid and they say it like, yeah.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting because I've been in this business for
Speaker 1: so long and been media trained and just like you know,
Speaker 1: I grew up in the business on camera, and you're
Speaker 1: always taught like don't say this, say this, and you know,
Speaker 1: you lose sight of kind of like your filter, their filter,
Speaker 1: and then you lose sight of what's real. So it's
Speaker 1: so interesting to hear that because I feel like I've
Speaker 1: been taught so much what not to say that it's
Speaker 1: like it's hard to be yourself. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, because you're always worried what others are gonna think. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're the opposite. You're just saying what you think,
Speaker 1: what you feel, and it's not how they're interpreting it
Speaker 1: because they're like, no, it shouldn't be that way.
Speaker 2: I think ideally, like you are supposed to figure out
Speaker 2: what she're good at and like lean into that, and
Speaker 2: it's better for like everyone's better for you, for the society.
Speaker 2: Like I'm not like you're an actress and like I'm
Speaker 2: not entertainer. I've never performed anything in front of live audience.
Speaker 2: I thought, let me do it, let me try it.
Speaker 2: Out it may or may not be for me, and
Speaker 2: I found it hard and I have respect for people
Speaker 2: who have the capacity to put themselves out out there
Speaker 2: like this. But because I'm saying, oh, maybe that's not
Speaker 2: for me, it doesn't mean like oh, and it's like
Speaker 2: I thinks she's so much better than everyone else's interpretation. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I'm just like doing everyone in favor. It's
Speaker 2: sparing them from if I do watch me.
Speaker 1: You're such a good answer. The thing that I was
Speaker 1: so impressed with is that were you nervous? Like you
Speaker 1: came out there and didn't look nervous, were you.
Speaker 2: I think my thing is like I'm very so the
Speaker 2: way I've been introduced into the public eye is like
Speaker 2: through my criminal trial, and when you are in court,
Speaker 2: it's obviously like a public courtroom, so anyone can come in.
Speaker 2: They take pictures of you all day every day, like
Speaker 2: about seven hours, and there's nothing you can do about it.
Speaker 2: So I'm like used to always being on guard and
Speaker 2: it doesn't benefit you to like cry or show any
Speaker 2: emotion because it will always be interpreted like in some
Speaker 2: way that's not beneficial to you.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, yeah, my story's totally different, but I've
Speaker 1: been like in the public eye forever, all eyes on me.
Speaker 1: You never know when someone's gonna stap a picture and
Speaker 1: someone's listening to you, like in public. Like it's that
Speaker 1: type of feeling, never being able to have privacy. But
Speaker 1: I was like terrified to do this, Like yeah, the
Speaker 1: two shows, like both dances, I was like, really scared.
Speaker 1: And I have huge eyes, so I feel like it's
Speaker 1: really hard for me to hide it. And I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you're an actress, pretend you're not scared. But it's terrified.
Speaker 1: But I feel like, yeah, I mean, you performed great
Speaker 1: in front of everyone.
Speaker 2: My eyes look wild as well. It is because I
Speaker 2: think that blue and like when you look at some
Speaker 2: of the pictures, you might think like I'm one, Like
Speaker 2: I don't know cocaine or add all or something. I
Speaker 2: just like have this. It's very easy to me to
Speaker 2: look crazy on camera, and like I'm being drug tested regularly,
Speaker 2: so it's like I'm not a failed to Troy test.
Speaker 2: So great. I look at some of my pictures and
Speaker 2: it was like, what, how what do I look like?
Speaker 1: So I have bug eyes? You have crazy eyes? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I was nervous, thank you, And I think my focus
Speaker 2: was like, oh, it's a dancing competition, so it's like
Speaker 2: I have to perform like the steps because that's how
Speaker 2: I've been trained. So it's like I was, yeah, born
Speaker 2: in Russia. It's like we did ballet. It's like you
Speaker 2: have to do the steps. Nobody wants to see you smile,
Speaker 2: and I think really in ballet you don't smile.
Speaker 1: Interesting in the ballroom, they're all about like smile, smile.
Speaker 1: That was so hard for me. Yeah, I have never smiled,
Speaker 1: Like I hate showing my teeth, which I have brand
Speaker 1: new teeth now, so I have in ears. I can smile,
Speaker 1: but it's like I'm trained in my head to like
Speaker 1: hide my smile because I used to hate my teeth.
Speaker 1: So Pasha would tell me, like smile, smile, and I
Speaker 1: was like I can't.
Speaker 2: But don't you find it jarring for like people to
Speaker 2: demand women to smile in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Point?
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's a different context. It's not like
Speaker 2: the construction side.
Speaker 1: I mean there are.
Speaker 2: But still it has like the remnants of like the
Speaker 2: kind of like the old patriarchal like border. Yeah, like
Speaker 2: that's yeah, you can only be good and considered or
Speaker 2: considered to be good. When you look pretty and smile
Speaker 2: and you have like five pounds of extensions and three
Speaker 2: pounds of makeup on you.
Speaker 1: Why are you looking at me and saying.
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding now, I mean I'm complicit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so interesting because ballroom dance is very old school.
Speaker 1: It's interesting like Pasha's instinct for me, like he would
Speaker 1: extend his hand when we were walking around set and
Speaker 1: for me to take his hand and go forward, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, no, no, no, no, I like to follow wait,
Speaker 1: which doesn't make sense, but I like, yeah, and.
Speaker 2: You never know with the pros, it's like obviously they're
Speaker 2: being trained about like how to treat you, and like
Speaker 2: you never know what's sincere and what's just a job.
Speaker 2: And that was kind of like my main issue with
Speaker 2: being on the show, not my main issue, one of
Speaker 2: the issues. But you like Estra I do. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's a very sweet person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And imagine like his first season, Yeah, and he
Speaker 1: gets Hanna Delvy like he's probably like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: it's a blessing and a curse at the same time. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I.
Speaker 2: Think it still ended up well for him, because yep,
Speaker 2: it's like either scenario. He wins. If I do well,
Speaker 2: he does well. If I do badly, it's my fault
Speaker 2: because he's a new one and I'm so bad and
Speaker 2: just negative. And it's just like the amount of negativity
Speaker 2: that I've gotten, like all the comments. So it's like
Speaker 2: when I post something on my profile, I think most
Speaker 2: of them are positive, but it's like a collaboration post
Speaker 2: or dancing with a starist or just like seeing something
Speaker 2: on their profile. On others, it's just people universally feeling
Speaker 2: for Ezra, feeling bad for Ezra, which is like, come on,
Speaker 2: it's like it's his job. He's still getting paid for it.
Speaker 2: I'm not like some abuser. I'm not dodging some of those.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I felt bad for Pasha like getting me yeah
Speaker 1: at it.
Speaker 2: I mean it's just like they sign up for the
Speaker 2: job and they now like you are not gonna get
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Ezra loves you, I know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a sweet guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such a good guy. I feel like it
Speaker 1: was a good pairing. Yeah. I feel like all our
Speaker 1: pairings were actually correct. Yeah, I think where did you laugh?
Speaker 2: I think it would have been interesting if they had
Speaker 2: like a Shuffle episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, who would you want?
Speaker 2: I don't know, just I don't really know much about
Speaker 2: the show, I have to say so I only watched
Speaker 2: season where Jojo was on it in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 2: so and I feel.
Speaker 1: I was very specific.
Speaker 2: Because I was in jail, so gohead. I could not
Speaker 2: really watch anything else. I would have been interesting to
Speaker 2: like do like a partner switch or even like just
Speaker 2: for a day for their training for.
Speaker 1: The season, like who who would you want?
Speaker 2: I would have. I would want to like try everyone nine,
Speaker 2: try on everyone yeah, same girl's name, Like maybe it's
Speaker 2: just you do a week where I think we're the
Speaker 2: only whatever six couples left, and you all of them
Speaker 2: try like a different partner. I don't know. Maybe it
Speaker 2: would be fun like I think it would be, yeah,
Speaker 2: and then you just like see whoever like works best.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: I also another thing, another idea I thought it would
Speaker 2: be funny for them to do is to do celebrity
Speaker 2: with celebrity. I would love to like do a dance
Speaker 2: at Reginald yep because it seems like they try to pair,
Speaker 2: like they tried to cast like fifty to fifty women
Speaker 2: and men. So oh, it is like maybe not as
Speaker 2: part of the main episode, but like maybe some like
Speaker 2: kind of like a five minute special, like a little wow,
Speaker 2: like what would happen with you?
Speaker 1: And Alona?
Speaker 2: I like her too. I'd have her flip me over
Speaker 2: any day.
Speaker 1: She flipped Alan over. Wow, that was like.
Speaker 2: Wild, I'm lighter than Alan. I think that was crazy.
Speaker 1: So you know it's ABC, Disney, Blas, Hulu the next day,
Speaker 1: so you're PC and they do have a thing before
Speaker 1: like make sure you guys were going live like don't
Speaker 1: no one say that upward, like don't so I curse
Speaker 1: a lot wear like a trick drip and I yeah,
Speaker 1: really had to reel it in with this experience.
Speaker 2: So I'm producing. I produced couple of fashion show with
Speaker 2: shows with Kelly Katron during the fashion week. And because
Speaker 2: we represent like young designers, not all of them necessarily
Speaker 2: have like the budget for like a great venue and
Speaker 2: to produce a fashion show like costs like up to
Speaker 2: two hundred thousand dollars, like including models and the staff.
Speaker 2: So and some of them, I mean like they did
Speaker 2: basically like a collaboration with Cornhub porn Hub Wow, who
Speaker 2: like paid for part of the venue and and everyone
Speaker 2: was super nice it was just like a cornhob. Yeah
Speaker 2: to introduce me. Yeah, they have a very interesting podcast.
Speaker 2: I did like a panel on the podcast them Terms
Speaker 2: of Service, and they talk about free speech and like
Speaker 2: censorship and yeah, and it's the one of the showrunners.
Speaker 1: And as Akira, she was like, would you do only fans?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Okay, should I do only fans?
Speaker 2: It's af to you whatever you.
Speaker 1: But no, no, no. As as my friend like just
Speaker 1: got instinct, what would.
Speaker 2: You say, I would say no. I think it kind
Speaker 2: of like cheapens your brand, and like it's brand, it
Speaker 2: makes it easier for people to dismiss you or like
Speaker 2: discarge you as desperate. I like that, but I don't know,
Speaker 2: I have not really. So my thing is, like I
Speaker 2: have been banned from social media until like August of
Speaker 2: this year, so I haven't been considering that.
Speaker 1: So you were off social media for help.
Speaker 2: Twenty two months. I mean I was like in various
Speaker 2: chairs in prison, so obviously, like I was able to post,
Speaker 2: but like through my managers, what will they go to post?
Speaker 1: Post?
Speaker 2: Not much? And then the immigration judge just like decided
Speaker 2: I don't deserve to post on Instagram, even though that
Speaker 2: was against the first Amendment and it just took it like, yeah,
Speaker 2: twenty two months to get for the system. And I
Speaker 2: didn't argue with it at all, Like we didn't have
Speaker 2: to put up the fight. And what do I get,
Speaker 2: Like I could sue the government. It probably take me
Speaker 2: twenty years and like five million dollars in legal fees, like,
Speaker 2: but it is what it is. But I'm the bad one.
Speaker 2: What's your favorite platform?
Speaker 1: Instagram? I think, Yeah, I'm not tech savvy, like really bad.
Speaker 1: It takes me forever to do that stuff, but I
Speaker 1: do it. I have an AOL account. Is that gone before?
Speaker 1: It still works? It works?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have quite quite a history with Aol account.
Speaker 1: Really wait, what do you mean? What?
Speaker 2: No, whatever, just google it and yeah. Like my first
Speaker 2: exposure to the media was like through like my legal
Speaker 2: proceedings and it's like everyone's against you. Everything was used
Speaker 2: against me, like my tweets. So I was sentenced to
Speaker 2: what four to twelve years in prison, which my minimum
Speaker 2: was no jail time. And apparently I was like on
Speaker 2: them like a first time offender in that I repaid
Speaker 2: my institution before even leaving prison from the Netflix proceeds.
Speaker 2: But apparently I was like on the worst but I
Speaker 2: guess the judge wanted to make an example out of
Speaker 2: me because of the old media exposure I've gotten, which
Speaker 2: was not really what like. It was not because I
Speaker 2: was trying to sell myself because I was in jail
Speaker 2: the whole time. It was like because of like one
Speaker 2: media article the New York magazine. So my primary exposure
Speaker 2: to like media was like I always had to be
Speaker 2: on defensive. And when I got out of prison, so whoever,
Speaker 2: like the people who picked me up, they handed me
Speaker 2: my phone, like a fully functioning phone with all like Instagram,
Speaker 2: all of my accounts on there, and I just like
Speaker 2: did not get off of it for the next six weeks, and.
Speaker 1: I had tons of change.
Speaker 2: I had like so much fun tweeting and being on Instagram,
Speaker 2: and it's like it's wild, even though I kind of
Speaker 2: grew up on Instagram in a way. I mean, I
Speaker 2: started using it when I was about twenty one, I think.
Speaker 2: I mean, we had like this social media network called
Speaker 2: like school or CEC, like in Germany they got it
Speaker 2: got deleted like one bankrupt or something. But it was
Speaker 2: like it's like Facebook, but only for school, like literally,
Speaker 2: so it's basically you register it and you have to
Speaker 2: like pick your school and your class, okay, and then
Speaker 2: you have like a pin board and you have like
Speaker 2: a chat so it's like no adults allowed. But like
Speaker 2: I guess I went bankrupt. And this is when like
Speaker 2: Facebook became really big. So thank god I don't have
Speaker 2: like any fourteen old pictures of me out there. Wait
Speaker 2: really yeah, so it got deleted, like nothing got saved.
Speaker 2: I think I'm not sure what happened to them, Like wait, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think they just they either sault to someone or
Speaker 2: I don't know, wait they what like they salt to
Speaker 2: like some bigger company, but I don't know, like they
Speaker 2: just disabled everyone's accounts. I just was not like that
Speaker 2: tech savvy of nineteen too. I want to dig.
Speaker 1: I wish there weren't pictures that we had fourteen Oh wait,
Speaker 1: so you gotta Okay.
Speaker 2: So I got out of prison and then I just
Speaker 2: started tweeting right away.
Speaker 1: I think un a black bear, just curious.
Speaker 2: I found it was twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, and I started saying it's.
Speaker 2: Like, uh, well, the Manhattan DA's office said something like, well,
Speaker 2: the masquerade is over. We convicted Anna Delvi. So I
Speaker 2: we tweeted like the Da Vansa's tweet, who is like
Speaker 2: the Manhattan chief prosecutor, the district attorney. I said, good job.
Speaker 2: And then I said and I said, looking for a
Speaker 2: seven hundred and fifty million dollar alone from my next
Speaker 2: mon Fortress investments, Any takers? And I said, my rap
Speaker 2: sheet long and than yellow digs can ever be. And
Speaker 2: then the best common and that was like, well, like
Speaker 2: a like a regular sheet is like obviously longer than
Speaker 2: in the average size, so like it's they were all hits.
Speaker 2: So it was really fun to you. I have to
Speaker 2: listen to my own twits in like a court room
Speaker 2: setting and a context of meeting denied bail.
Speaker 1: You're a fucking genius.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I had to pay the price. Definitely.
Speaker 2: I think there should be like a comedic license that
Speaker 2: should apply to me as well. But to us.
Speaker 1: We take this on the road. Oh you can't wait, wait,
Speaker 1: I can for like for work, you go with the
Speaker 1: ankle bracelet.
Speaker 2: So my current conditions, I'm allowed to travel within seventy
Speaker 2: five miles of my approved residence and within seventy within
Speaker 2: five boroughs of the New York City.
Speaker 1: So and I'm a born raised in La what's a borough.
Speaker 2: It's Manhattan, Bronx, Queens, Staten Island, Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: Oh we do I sound really dumb not knowing that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Burrough's a donkey. What are you guys talking about?
Speaker 1: Oh Burrow just an accent? What do you want me
Speaker 1: to do?
Speaker 2: I didn't understand I have four and you just say
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm blonde coming a break.
Speaker 2: So anyway, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 2: I could barely understand whatever Anna was saying.
Speaker 1: I would never wait. Can I talk about inventing Anna? Sure?
Speaker 2: I have not watched it, so you know more about
Speaker 2: it than I not much.
Speaker 1: Okay, So my friend Morgan, who is here tonight, over there,
Speaker 1: So I it was twenty twenty one. I had I
Speaker 1: had my boobs readam and I had a hernia from
Speaker 1: my five C sections. I don't know why I allowed this,
Speaker 1: but I was like, I really only want one surgery.
Speaker 1: And the doctor was like, oh, I'm a general surgeon,
Speaker 1: so I've worked with hernia as before. I can do
Speaker 1: that while you're under and also do your boobs. So
Speaker 1: I said, okay, great, and then they put you up
Speaker 1: at like a hotel that's like a surgery center and
Speaker 1: they have nurses there. Anyway, I went there and I
Speaker 1: was there especially there Morgan like one day, I was like,
Speaker 1: it's my son's birthday. I'm going to be I'm going
Speaker 1: to get through this and check out in one day. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I went there and I was in an extreme amount
Speaker 1: of pain, and I was like, I think something's wrong.
Speaker 1: But they didn't believe me. And they were like, oh.
Speaker 1: The doctor's like, maybe you don't have a high pain tolerance.
Speaker 1: It's like you don't understand what I've been through. I've
Speaker 1: had five babies, Like I have a high pain tolerance.
Speaker 1: I get like everything. I have a high paint And
Speaker 1: he was like, oh, well, this is weird that you're
Speaker 1: in this much pain. Anyway, Morgan's like, take your mind
Speaker 1: off of it, distract yourself. You should watch Inventing Anna
Speaker 1: Yes literally her words. And I was like, Okay, did
Speaker 1: it work? I don't remember it because I literally was
Speaker 1: in so much pain on so many medications, pills, and
Speaker 1: then ambient to sleep at this hotel whatever that I was, well,
Speaker 1: I was like mid into it. I think I was
Speaker 1: like on episode seven. So I pulled an all nighter
Speaker 1: on my medication and pain, and then I called Morgan
Speaker 1: in the morning. I'm like, I, something's wrong. You have
Speaker 1: to take me to the hospital, and so she picked
Speaker 1: me up, so I didn't finish inventing Anna. She shook
Speaker 1: me to the hospital and literally where they had repaired
Speaker 1: the hernia, it exploded and I was in cedars for
Speaker 1: six weeks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry. I mean blame Shonda. I didn't know
Speaker 2: it was that bad.
Speaker 1: And everyone I know loved it. And you should you
Speaker 1: from that because I didn't even recall. But I have
Speaker 1: PTSD because my floaded while I was trying to watch
Speaker 1: that show.
Speaker 2: You should join Rachel Williams in he a lawsuit. I
Speaker 2: can't s Netflix, but.
Speaker 1: I did, like, I did try to go online because
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't want the like faux version
Speaker 1: of you and like and obviously.
Speaker 2: I'd say inventing and I made my insights explode. My
Speaker 2: second makes them look stupid because you never see me
Speaker 2: suing anyone. I could be suing like people like Deformation,
Speaker 2: this and that. Like you never see me suing anyone.
Speaker 2: I think people who are suing other people are the
Speaker 2: ones who are like the losers and the ones who
Speaker 2: are better. I have not sued anyone people are suing
Speaker 2: me and they don't lose all the time. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: have not have I don't have a single lawsuit against
Speaker 2: anyone with me as a plane. Yeah, it's just, yeah,
Speaker 2: your time is better used to like working to something
Speaker 2: productive and creating and not like trying to exploit other
Speaker 2: people for I Like, it's like a little thread here
Speaker 2: and there. It's like a little spice.
Speaker 1: Are you on cameo?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Do you want to be?
Speaker 2: I refuse to be?
Speaker 1: Why.
Speaker 2: I think it's time.
Speaker 1: I don't. I always forget, but why I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's like kind of cheapens your brand too. Like I've
Speaker 2: been offered to be in cameo. It's like, oh, I'll
Speaker 2: say anything if you pay me. I've been approached by
Speaker 2: Kimyos so many times. I just don't think, Like I'm
Speaker 2: not an actress, and I don't know, Like I just
Speaker 2: I don't know. I would. It feels so dirty doing that.
Speaker 1: I don't know, like sending a fan of video.
Speaker 2: I think. I guess that's not the main problem. I
Speaker 2: guess the how it's being portrayed in the media, Like
Speaker 2: it would not do me any favor yet right now, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't think anything like there's anything bad with it.
Speaker 2: I think it's like super cute and sweet. I know
Speaker 2: a ton of people who do it, and it's like
Speaker 2: it helps a lot of them. But like in combination
Speaker 2: with me, that will just like say Anna as like
Speaker 2: a scammer, opportunist, and like it's just not it's going
Speaker 2: to feed into what I want to be removed from.
Speaker 2: So it's like a cheap and lazy, easy way to
Speaker 2: make money and I'm trying to stay away from that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm failing obviously. But Toris is such like a legend
Speaker 2: and she has so much Like she has so much time,
Speaker 2: be like she put in the work while I'm being
Speaker 2: seen as like I'm like somewhat young, that young, but
Speaker 2: I'm being seen as like like a one hit wonder
Speaker 2: or whatever.
Speaker 1: You're around, it would have been would have been done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's like you managed to stay relevant for
Speaker 2: all those years in one way or another.
Speaker 1: It's like the reverse. We're like the reverse, Like the
Speaker 1: way we each came into this situation of like media.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like it's our attitudes towards the show there
Speaker 2: was so different different yeah, and that's why I like,
Speaker 2: what could I have done better? Because they were like, Oh,
Speaker 2: you have to smile more, and you have to be
Speaker 2: more emotional, you have to like put so much into
Speaker 2: It's like, well Tori has done yeah, and I mean
Speaker 2: the show, it's like it's more your.
Speaker 1: Audience apparently not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently. I was so surprised. It's like I would
Speaker 2: have like, you would have been the last person that
Speaker 2: would have been evicted.
Speaker 1: Did you see evicted?
Speaker 2: Evicted, eliminated.
Speaker 1: All places?
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm boring, don't mind.
Speaker 1: Eliminated. Yeah, It's it's so.
Speaker 2: Weird because now this makes me think it's like if
Speaker 2: I like we're crying doing my dance, which is like
Speaker 2: not my personality at all, Like that would not have
Speaker 2: made anything different because like it feels like they just
Speaker 2: decided to like hate us.
Speaker 1: So like who the people at home voting?
Speaker 2: So I'm not sure how the show works. I know
Speaker 2: nothing about the show. Unfortunately, I probably should have researched
Speaker 2: it more before I went.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I didn't know how voting worked. I
Speaker 1: knew like when I used to watch the show, you
Speaker 1: could call or text. Yeah, I used to watch the show,
Speaker 1: but I never called her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's such a weird thing to do. It's
Speaker 2: like unless you, like, unless it's a friend like I'm
Speaker 2: texting with regularly, it's like, oh, text and like vote
Speaker 2: for me, Like why would you do that? So's like
Speaker 2: a weird thing to do, like unless you.
Speaker 1: Have for us apparently, so yeah.
Speaker 2: Unless you have like a fan mentality, it's just like
Speaker 2: not the mindset of the people of like I don't know,
Speaker 2: my audience is not this right, they're not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like your audience are like my kids and
Speaker 1: they're not. Yeah, they would have no idea how to
Speaker 1: like text and not not no idea, but like it's not.
Speaker 2: They don't even know what the show is on. They
Speaker 2: don't and like nobody watches life to be it's like
Speaker 2: all stream I know. Yeah, So I think it's like
Speaker 2: it's actually they followed because they're so outdated, and I
Speaker 2: think if the goal was to stay relevant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just stay relevant and like what would it be
Speaker 1: to they can make that transition because I feel like
Speaker 1: they're trying to. They haven't completely done it, but I.
Speaker 2: Think it's if you have a collaboration with Disney Plus
Speaker 2: and like all the streamers, it's like so many of
Speaker 2: my friends that is like, well I knew you were
Speaker 2: going to be lost, especially during their premiere. So just
Speaker 2: like I watched it on Disney Plus. I like, I
Speaker 2: don't blame people. It's like two hours of your time.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of time to like dedicate, and not
Speaker 2: everyone has that. And even I'm like, I don't have family,
Speaker 2: I don't have kids, and it's like even I am
Speaker 2: busy and I'm like when I was complaining about my
Speaker 2: schedule dancing with the Stuss, like I was like, I
Speaker 2: cannot be the only one because yeah, I was like
Speaker 2: I was thinking about all the people with the kids,
Speaker 2: and like kids have all kinds of issues, and it's
Speaker 2: like I cannot be them most problematic person here. And
Speaker 2: I don't know, and it's so much easier to like
Speaker 2: go yeah on Disney Plus and stream the episode and
Speaker 2: like watch the person you care about. I don't know,
Speaker 2: they just need to update it.
Speaker 1: But it's like breaking into two nights. Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or just I don't know. I think like the
Speaker 2: voting doing the Life whatever broadcast, it's just like, so.
Speaker 1: I would it be then how do we get votes?
Speaker 2: Just like Instagram and TikTok and Twitter, and I don't know,
Speaker 2: there must be some solution, Yeah, because it's so easy
Speaker 2: to listen to you for next season if you offer solutions.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't care.
Speaker 1: It's not my.
Speaker 2: It's not my problem. But I think it's just like
Speaker 2: the show, it's cute to be in disadvantage for like
Speaker 2: younger audience. Like even Chandler. She's an amazing dancer. I
Speaker 2: think she's like a beautiful girl, and she dances so well.
Speaker 2: She has I think, like I don't know like half
Speaker 2: of my following, and it's true, and it's probably I
Speaker 2: think she's like ten years younger than me or something
Speaker 2: like which one of the kids are watching ABC. Dancing
Speaker 2: with This Star is live and like voting, it's kind
Speaker 2: of like a bizarre thing.
Speaker 1: My friend thinks it's all young people. Like all of
Speaker 1: my followers and fans didn't understand that they had to
Speaker 1: vote at five o'clock and do a blind vote even
Speaker 1: though it's airing at eight and they won't see it
Speaker 1: till then.
Speaker 2: I think there's just like nothing comparable. I think now
Speaker 2: if you have like verified social media accounts that could
Speaker 2: like count. I'm kind of fit, Like I'm not like
Speaker 2: three hundred pounds and I'm like a decent dancer. I'm
Speaker 2: not like the best, but like I don't think I've
Speaker 2: done the worst job on the show.
Speaker 1: A really good dancer, a beautiful dancer.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. This is like the way I
Speaker 2: see it. It's like I don't think, I think. I like,
Speaker 2: I'm obviously not a pro. I've done like my best.
Speaker 2: I'm somewhat fit. I think I improved kind of doing
Speaker 2: the like the second dance and the choreography was not
Speaker 2: really challenging, but it's not my responsibility. And I just
Speaker 2: don't know what I could have done better because I think,
Speaker 2: like I just think, yeah, I could have done like
Speaker 2: any technical mistakes technical like sorry, my form both your yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: my farm could have been like a bit better.
Speaker 1: Like your frame in my friend that I thought it
Speaker 1: was amazing, like watching you and I had no expectations.
Speaker 1: I had no idea. I know you had mentioned that
Speaker 1: you had done ballet, but like I I watched you
Speaker 1: before for the first time, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: she's a beautiful dancer.
Speaker 2: Thank you, and like you're as well. You're extremely flexible,
Speaker 2: like you you have split is better than mine.
Speaker 1: You do a split too.
Speaker 2: I did split an espresso.
Speaker 1: Did you m m.
Speaker 2: But whatever, you didn't watch.
Speaker 1: Wait no you know what? No, No, no, I didn't.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is much better than mine, but it's like
Speaker 2: it takes practice. You have split is much better than mine.
Speaker 1: Your first show when you went, because there was some
Speaker 1: reason you were, you came in last, right.
Speaker 2: Well, they told me it was like an honor.
Speaker 1: To close the show. Yeah, I mean it is. They,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, probably put you last because it was
Speaker 1: a big wow factor, like too somewhere in the middle,
Speaker 1: Like like I was in the middle. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I loves boring TV. As like a producer in my mind,
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, you want like the ones that are
Speaker 1: going to like draw big, like it's going to be
Speaker 1: first or last and you close the show. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you always want to close the show. I mean you're
Speaker 1: the biggest tad.
Speaker 2: Obviously I was not not for too long.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're a great dancer and this isn't even
Speaker 1: your thing, so like to come.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I was decent. I'm not like one
Speaker 2: of the greatest dancers to world has ever seen.
Speaker 1: Who is on that show except for well Chandler, Like.
Speaker 2: Chandler is good.
Speaker 1: I think it's great.
Speaker 2: She's pretty, and she's like an actress. She has like
Speaker 2: all the attributes that make her but like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know how many votes would she get because
Speaker 2: how we don't know. Yeah, because she's younger. Yeah, she's
Speaker 2: like a decade younger than I am.
Speaker 1: And you feel like her audience isn't watching dancing.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I mean, obviously she's still on the show.
Speaker 2: She's better than that, but it would not be fair
Speaker 2: to her if my understanding is like younger people don't
Speaker 2: really watch Life to be like, because who has Basic Cable?
Speaker 2: Because that's what the show is on. Like most of
Speaker 2: the people they have like Netflix and like the subscriptions,
Speaker 2: So thats just like always like the exposure and they
Speaker 2: will obviously watch the clips and like YouTube videos, but
Speaker 2: not like what matters if the votes during the live
Speaker 2: show really matter, which no one can tell because if
Speaker 2: I'll ever release the data, that's just unfair, Like I
Speaker 2: don't have.
Speaker 1: Basic cable audit them.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, let's combine the forces with pretty little Bill.
Speaker 1: Well, how about I'll pay you back?
Speaker 2: Okay, let's do it. We'll combine like your audience and
Speaker 2: my audience will.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, wait, so the time we sput on
Speaker 1: the show election Fraud, I said that the other day.
Speaker 2: I was like, I mean, I don't I'm not having
Speaker 2: like a really hard time believing like no one voted
Speaker 2: for me, because same, my my audience is like gen
Speaker 2: z oh Young Millani, and you're having a hard time
Speaker 2: believing or not not like really, oh, I'm having a
Speaker 2: really hard time vote for me. I mean you're like
Speaker 2: such a like you have such a track record and
Speaker 2: you're like very Hollywood like a lay as your city.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you are.
Speaker 1: In my audience. Yeah, in your audience exactly. Yeah. They
Speaker 1: would have texted.
Speaker 2: This is what I like kind of reinforced me in
Speaker 2: my opinion, because you are exactly what they wanted me
Speaker 2: to be, like vulnerable and you're emotional and you like
Speaker 2: really wanted to be on it, and it's all good things.
Speaker 1: Just like so we were eliminated and they were They
Speaker 1: came to me for and asked about the experience, and
Speaker 1: I was just so in my I was just like
Speaker 1: in another world, like it was all like happening so fast,
Speaker 1: and I didn't even know what Julianne asked you because
Speaker 1: I was just turned to Pasha and I was like still, like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm so sorry, Like shit, I got
Speaker 1: you eliminated. I don't know what I was thinking, And
Speaker 1: I didn't see it till like Instagram the next day
Speaker 1: that she said, we're.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe that because you're like you so in
Speaker 2: your own moment and uh, but do I have to
Speaker 2: say I'm glad it was you who gotta limit with
Speaker 2: me and the Reginald because it would have been so
Speaker 2: much more sadder for me. It would like put me
Speaker 2: on the same dancing skill level as you, Like.
Speaker 1: You'd be sadder if it was him and not because
Speaker 1: it was me.
Speaker 2: No, no, yeah, because it would like, yeah, that would
Speaker 2: like compare my dancing skills to genes if we both
Speaker 2: were elevated. So at least you are a fairly decent dancer.
Speaker 2: Like we're not pros. I mean I'm not. I don't
Speaker 2: see myself as a pro by any means this. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're adequate, we're adequate, I think. Yeah, So I see
Speaker 2: I was els like on an adequate net level and
Speaker 2: we got eliminated and people who were I think below
Speaker 2: us got to stay on the show and makes it
Speaker 2: like a bit sus for a show that's called dancing
Speaker 2: with the stars, and not like gossiping with the stars
Speaker 2: or frock yeah the stars, or yeah, making friends with
Speaker 2: the stars. Yeah, dancing with the pros. None of this.
Speaker 2: So it's a bit suspicious, but it is what it is.
Speaker 1: This is true.
Speaker 2: But fraternizing with the stars, Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, fraternizing that a good one. That's a good one.
Speaker 2: So I'm glad you're my partner in this elimination. It
Speaker 2: could have been Forest Tory, admit it. Well, I would
Speaker 2: you have Eric over me? No, because I, like I.
Speaker 1: Said, like, all I knew about you coming into this
Speaker 1: was inventing Anna, and obviously I've told you the story.
Speaker 1: So everyone loved that show on Netflix. I didn't get
Speaker 1: through it because I had exploding. It was pretty testing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so I came into this just like getting
Speaker 1: to know you, and I really liked you and we connected.
Speaker 2: And I didn't watch that show either, So that makes
Speaker 2: two of us so perfect. Should we watch it maybe someday?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm getting Subpeanut by Rachel Williams and I'm telling
Speaker 2: them I didn't watch it. So let's see you until
Speaker 2: like that lawsuit is things seem towards stand Oh.
Speaker 1: Wait, she she played your friend on the show exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she said she's no.
Speaker 1: This is a real life story, sorry, real events. But
Speaker 1: they put through every episode because I did pieces of
Speaker 1: it like not based on real events, like semi fictional that.
Speaker 2: Took liberty events. It's like it's up to the audience
Speaker 2: to decide what was real and what was not. I
Speaker 2: like that day, that's what the disclaimer was in front
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, okay, So Julian then turned to you and said,
Speaker 1: what will you take from this experience? And you said so.
Speaker 2: While you were talking, I thought like Toy was everything
Speaker 2: that I don't know my team and like the production
Speaker 2: team were expecting me to be and then wanting me
Speaker 2: to smile and be vulnerable and just kind of like
Speaker 2: I only had a couple of seconds to think about.
Speaker 1: That, and I was like, wow, I talk a lot,
Speaker 1: and I just went on my babble. Sorry I left
Speaker 1: you with no.
Speaker 2: No, no, not at all. But they just said it's like, well,
Speaker 2: you will never win the show if you're like on
Speaker 2: the defensive all the time, if you like have this
Speaker 2: guard on, if you never smile, and if you make
Speaker 2: people feel like you don't want to be on it,
Speaker 2: and I felt like you were a complete opposite and
Speaker 2: you felt like, I mean, people know you so much
Speaker 2: better than me. I'm kind of like newer in comparison
Speaker 2: to you, and you have like such a like a
Speaker 2: longer extended story and you like you almost cry doing
Speaker 2: this song and you related to it while with me.
Speaker 2: For example, I got a roofed by Ice to be
Speaker 2: on a show on Tuesday, and on Wednesday, while I
Speaker 2: was in the car going to the airport, they were like, well,
Speaker 2: we have to decide on all your songs right now,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, just I don't know, and like they
Speaker 2: have such an easy way out of any song that
Speaker 2: they don't like you to do by saying, oh, we
Speaker 2: cannot like license it. So like I just sent them
Speaker 2: like a playlist of like hundred songs that I thought
Speaker 2: like kind of were relevant to me, and like they
Speaker 2: picked something and I was like, whatever, ledge just do it.
Speaker 2: Because I had so many things to take care of,
Speaker 2: Like I had to deal with my parole, I had
Speaker 2: to take care of Ice. Because it's like if these
Speaker 2: people decide like I'm disrespecting them. If I had to
Speaker 2: go to New Rochelle for half a day on Wednesday
Speaker 2: to get like a travel pass for the show because
Speaker 2: I live in cold Spring. In cold Spring belongs to
Speaker 2: New Rochelle and it's like in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 2: It took me two hours to get there. I drove
Speaker 2: Kelly Katron's like rain rover, which is a tank. I
Speaker 2: missed the turn like five times because the navigation is
Speaker 2: like so incomprehensible. It's in the middle of nowhere, and
Speaker 2: I was like, I cannot call these people saying it's
Speaker 2: like where is this office. It's like literally in the
Speaker 2: middle of nowhere. I could not find it. Like I
Speaker 2: almost started crying. I was like, I was supposed to
Speaker 2: be there by ten. It's like ten thirty. Like I
Speaker 2: keep missing the turn and I keep setting me back
Speaker 2: by fifteen minutes and it was just a disaster. And
Speaker 2: they were like, well, you don't have a signed contract.
Speaker 2: I was like, I just cut the permission like fifteen
Speaker 2: minutes ago from like the other people. And they were like, well,
Speaker 2: we cannot give you permission because what if you go
Speaker 2: there and they're going to like pay you ten dollars
Speaker 2: for it. I was like, why is it your problem?
Speaker 2: I me, it's like shouldn't it be my problem, Like
Speaker 2: I choose to work for hoever, Like for whoever I
Speaker 2: choose to work for Yeah, and yeah. So I spent
Speaker 2: like half a day being there, and you can we
Speaker 2: be on the phone when you're like an evading waiting room.
Speaker 2: So I had to like go outside and like get
Speaker 2: checked back in and they're like, what songs do you
Speaker 2: want to do? Tell us right now? And I'm like
Speaker 2: this whatever, just like leave me alone. I have like
Speaker 2: real life things to do. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: what does the song mean to you? I was like nothing,
Speaker 2: it was just like the easiest way out.
Speaker 1: So the song from Double Worst Product, Like was that
Speaker 1: not your idea?
Speaker 2: I mean I just it was like the most obvious choice.
Speaker 2: I had five seconds to think about it, and like
Speaker 2: I just don't have like a profound explanation for it,
Speaker 2: just because of the circumstances I've been subjected to. And
Speaker 2: I also had to do Fashion Week because I'm working
Speaker 2: with Kelly, a good friend of mine, and I committed
Speaker 2: to those projects and I couldn't just say it's like, well,
Speaker 2: I'm doing Dancing with the Stars. I'm just like not
Speaker 2: gonna like participate in this like I would.
Speaker 1: Have been Yeah, considering like, yeah, you couldn't come back
Speaker 1: to LA, so you and Ezra stayed in New York?
Speaker 1: Was that hard? I mean, I don't even know they
Speaker 1: have such their setup in La the dance studio. I
Speaker 1: can't even imagine.
Speaker 2: Well, they originally told me are we going to do
Speaker 2: anything to accommodate you? And they flew Ezra out and
Speaker 2: we were rehearsing in the studios in New York, and
Speaker 2: I mean it was fine. It was like smaller cameras.
Speaker 2: I guess last staff. I miss Simon. Hey, Simon, he's
Speaker 2: still texting me camera the camera guy I came out, Yeah,
Speaker 2: who was responsible for fing us in New York? And yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: So after after I've heard your speech, and I thought like,
Speaker 2: oh my god.
Speaker 1: Whatever, like, oh god, shut the fuck.
Speaker 2: Not at all, because I thought like they want the
Speaker 2: Tories everything that they were expecting or like wanting me to.
Speaker 1: Be I'm gone you like yeah, And.
Speaker 2: Then I was like, well all of this were just
Speaker 2: senseless and Reginald one and like he's a great person
Speaker 2: and he's like a cultural icon, but he's not a
Speaker 2: good dancer. And I thought like I signed out for
Speaker 2: a dancing competition and not like a popularity competition who
Speaker 2: is like the most well liked person in Hollywood, Like, no,
Speaker 2: thank you, same.
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, Like if I thought I really couldn't move,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have.
Speaker 2: Said yes exactly. And I thought like, well if Toy lost,
Speaker 2: and like I saw your performance and it was great,
Speaker 2: and like, I know you enjoyed this, and I just
Speaker 2: like thought, like you guys tried to like build me
Speaker 2: up and say I should smile more and do like
Speaker 2: x y Z and do this and that and like
Speaker 2: just to eliminate me. And I felt like it was
Speaker 2: an embarrassment to both of us to be eliminated before
Speaker 2: every convegald.
Speaker 1: Like, I don't know if I feel embarrassment. I'm bummed,
Speaker 1: I'm mad, I'm competitive as a book, so I'm like pissed. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I was babbling and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is the best experience ever. And then they came
Speaker 1: to you and you're like, okay, shit, so you said nothing,
Speaker 1: Wait so it's my fault.
Speaker 2: No, not no, not at all, because I thought like,
Speaker 2: well they were building me up. It's like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: only if you smile more, only if you do like
Speaker 2: x y Z. It's going to be so much better
Speaker 2: for you. And it felt like they put so much
Speaker 2: effort and trying to get me on a show and
Speaker 2: like make me feel comfortable, just to like eliminate me
Speaker 2: like this early. And I see it, yeah, like a
Speaker 2: bit of an embarrassed, like like an attempt of an
Speaker 2: embarrassment for us to get eliminated before Eric or Reginald
Speaker 2: like in a dancing competition, even though in the end
Speaker 2: it's not that big of a deal. And I think, well,
Speaker 2: I know you've never committed any crime, so I'm like
Speaker 2: talking just about myself, so you know.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just felt a bit upsetting to me. For me,
Speaker 2: it felt like a waste of time for me to
Speaker 2: just like do all of this for them to like
Speaker 2: just discard me so easily. I know the show was
Speaker 2: very excited to have me on, but the latch part
Speaker 2: of the audience, it's just like not the people who
Speaker 2: would usually be excited about me in general, And it's
Speaker 2: not someone who like necessarily watches life TV or like
Speaker 2: votes yeah, text, so it was not that surprising. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: it felt a little bit embarrassing to be voted off
Speaker 2: before I understood some of the other people on the show.
Speaker 2: But it is what it is and it's fine, and yeah,
Speaker 2: I never had high expectations for my show for myself.
Speaker 1: Right, I didn't think that in myself, Like I had
Speaker 1: no expectations. And then once I got in it, though,
Speaker 1: I got a little competitive because I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm starting to do this and I'm actually good at it.
Speaker 1: I mean you had to know, like once you were
Speaker 1: doing rehearsals, you were like, oh, wow, like a ballroom
Speaker 1: dance because yeah, you have beautiful lines.
Speaker 2: So you're like extremely flexible and uh, yeah you'll like show.
Speaker 1: We looked good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like you're doing everything that they want
Speaker 2: you to do, like you smile and uh.
Speaker 1: You can never tell. But like my partner kept saying
Speaker 1: to me, you just never know, yeah, like you just
Speaker 1: can't predict what's going to happen. Yeah, and that's yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I didn't think you'd go first. Well maybe maybe
Speaker 1: I thought you go first. Like it could have gone
Speaker 1: two ways.
Speaker 2: I felt like, yeah, I would you go first. I
Speaker 2: would like or either make it to the finale, like
Speaker 2: it would like this is like what No, that way
Speaker 2: it felt like that was a strategy because it's like
Speaker 2: so it's very subjective. Who is really the judge of
Speaker 2: Like the scores were like so scattered. Actually we should
Speaker 2: like assemble a panel of the real ballroom pros, like
Speaker 2: an independent party.
Speaker 1: And I love her thinking you were so clever, so smart,
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And to judge everyone's dances someone who is like has
Speaker 2: no interest in any of the any of the outcomes
Speaker 2: in any of the competitors, and just like to estimate
Speaker 2: without any backgrounds, any names, just like the pure technique.
Speaker 2: And then combine you just created a new show. Yeah,
Speaker 2: combined with the woodience boats, they should be the yeah
Speaker 2: ballroom jurors exactly. This is okay, So because it feels
Speaker 2: it feels reasonable for the amount of backlash I think
Speaker 2: both of us are getting, Like why not. It just
Speaker 2: seems like it seems like it's been mostly negative experience,
Speaker 2: at least for me. Then I was a positive perspective.
Speaker 1: But I guess it's hard for me because I got
Speaker 1: to know you and I really like you, and it's different,
Speaker 1: but like, okay, I'm taking myself out of it, uh,
Speaker 1: and just watch you, Like I think you're a beautiful dancer,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to see more of you because I know,
Speaker 1: they made the comments about smiling, but then you did
Speaker 1: bring that the second week, so like I wanted to
Speaker 1: see you go on and get comfortable, and so it's
Speaker 1: putting the difference between what was what you thought was
Speaker 1: expected of you and who you are and seeing that evolution.
Speaker 1: I wanted to see that, and Korea.
Speaker 2: Was not my responsibility obviously, like yes, you know, so
Speaker 2: I was just like following directions and with a second dance,
Speaker 2: I thought like, technically, I've done like all of it correctly,
Speaker 2: and this very little I could have done better, like
Speaker 2: maybe yeah, the frame and like the head or like
Speaker 2: maybe the smile, but everything else, I felt like I've
Speaker 2: just performed it the way I've been told to. So
Speaker 2: it's like, what else is it for me to do?
Speaker 2: And this is what made me feel kind of discouraged.
Speaker 2: And it's like, yeah, it's not like I messed up,
Speaker 2: like I didn't show up. They're like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: ten hours late.
Speaker 1: Or technically everything right, yeah, but you're right at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, it is.
Speaker 2: So it just feels so unreasonable and U they love and.
Speaker 1: They yeah, it's true. So in that moment when she
Speaker 1: turned you and you said nothing.
Speaker 2: Because that was the truth. I think, like, well, you
Speaker 2: guys told me what I'm supposed to do. I tried
Speaker 2: to do it, and then I still was rejected. And
Speaker 2: I'm taking away nothing. Is what I'm taking away from
Speaker 2: it because your advice was worthless. The advice that you
Speaker 2: gave me did not pay off for me, even though
Speaker 2: I tried to follow it right. And this is how
Speaker 2: I felt.
Speaker 1: That's totally fair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I know like people were trying to interpret
Speaker 2: my answer like in a different ways, but now not really,
Speaker 2: I really did not take away much from this experience other.
Speaker 1: Than that you got to meet me exactly. It all
Speaker 1: worked out.
Speaker 2: I think I had to be on the defensive, especially
Speaker 2: like after all the backlash that received being cast on
Speaker 2: the show, even though the producers I think Conrad made
Speaker 2: a great job just like trying to defend me, and
Speaker 2: I think everyone on a cast was generally very nice
Speaker 2: to me. But in the end, I don't know, so
Speaker 2: I'm not familiar with like in the workings of the show,
Speaker 2: but like the fact that yeah, you and I were
Speaker 2: eliminated before other members, it's just seems a little bit unbelievable.
Speaker 2: And I don't know.
Speaker 1: All double elimination. I'm a good company. I'd rather Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad it's you and not anyone else.
Speaker 1: Okay, so now you're leaving me. We just became friends.
Speaker 1: Are going back to New York. Wait, what's next? What's
Speaker 1: happening next for you?
Speaker 2: Well? I love New York. You should come to New York.
Speaker 2: Do you ever come?
Speaker 1: Rarely? It's always work like I, oh yeah, remember like
Speaker 1: we flew to New York for GMA. While you were there.
Speaker 1: Oh no, you were in La. You flew back and
Speaker 1: it was fashion Week and I had to go back
Speaker 1: and do rehearsals, and you were like stay and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my gosh, that would be amazing to
Speaker 1: experience fashion week with you.
Speaker 2: Well, you are definitely going to be invited to the
Speaker 2: next fashion Way weekend February. Oh okay, I stay with you,
Speaker 2: of course. And we definitely need to do like a
Speaker 2: dance off with all the celebrities or like the partner switch.
Speaker 1: I would love that.
Speaker 2: I'm sure we're going to have like a million different networks.
Speaker 2: We'll be willing to.
Speaker 1: Can you talk about your documentary?
Speaker 2: I mean it's been exciting. They've been following me around
Speaker 2: for almost two years now, and I'm excited for it
Speaker 2: to come out.
Speaker 1: I am too, because literally, like no one knows your side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I've been incarcerated for so long, and like people,
Speaker 2: it was so easy for others to tell my story
Speaker 2: now and my story has been told by other people,
Speaker 2: and I'm excited to reclaim my narrative and show everyone
Speaker 2: what kind of person I really am.
Speaker 1: I'm excited for that because yeah, that I mean, I've
Speaker 1: gotten to know you just knowing you, and I really
Speaker 1: like the human I know. So I'm excited for the
Speaker 1: world to see your side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm excited if nothing else. I got to
Speaker 2: meet Allly amazing people right yourself, and I like Alona
Speaker 2: and Steven very sweet.
Speaker 1: Are you still filming your documentary? Of course, yeah, no pressure.
Speaker 1: But like.
Speaker 2: The web in broad up round, the media is like
Speaker 2: I'm always on a defensive. I know everything is going
Speaker 2: to be used but against me, like in a court setting,
Speaker 2: and like at this point, I don't care if you
Speaker 2: call me like ugly, stupid or fat or whatever, Like
Speaker 2: I just care, like, oh, don't put me back in jail,
Speaker 2: which is what happened to me. And this is how
Speaker 2: I treat the media. And it's so much easier for
Speaker 2: me to talk like to other people who I know,
Speaker 2: like the I'm not going to like it must.
Speaker 1: Just be like who who you can trust? You can't
Speaker 1: you feel like you can't ever let your guard down.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm I'm glad I got to know you
Speaker 1: in this. I know the experience you feel like maybe
Speaker 1: wasn't everything you had signed up for, But I'm really
Speaker 1: glad that you and I got to meet because I
Speaker 1: don't know if we ever would have and who knows exactly.
Speaker 2: It was so wild and it's like what an honor.
Speaker 2: I think that we're like the worst answers. We were
Speaker 2: worse than Reginalds, and.
Speaker 1: You're seeing it wrong just like particular like worse.
Speaker 2: It's us, none of them are, and it's a dancing show.
Speaker 2: It's our story. So that's something we have in common.
Speaker 1: There were the worst answers. Great, Yeah, like I didn't
Speaker 1: have enough insecurity. That's my listener.
Speaker 2: Thanks,