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<v Speaker 1>Misspelling with Tory Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry thanks for having me on your podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, we're like together forever, Like this is

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<v Speaker 1>so wait, what are we?

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<v Speaker 2>You're like the biggest losers dancing with the strassas I

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<v Speaker 2>was seeing.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, wait, so we were the first double elimination.

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<v Speaker 1>We were out.

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<v Speaker 2>They thought, like the blondes have the most fun and

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<v Speaker 2>they would just not get them out of here. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I honestly did not expect to go home the

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<v Speaker 1>first show.

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<v Speaker 2>I did not expect you to go home either, Like

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<v Speaker 2>nothing would surprise me, like in my situation because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>such a wild card. But I was trying and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, I kind of improved. At first, I

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<v Speaker 2>had concerns to be on the show because I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>like I was thinking what it was going to do

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<v Speaker 2>to like my image because obviously, like none of the

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<v Speaker 2>older audience can relate to me because of my past.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm like everyone who's a fan of me, they're

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<v Speaker 2>like on the younger side, and it's not the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of people who like watch live TV necessarily or like

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<v Speaker 2>who know about Dancing with the Stars.

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<v Speaker 1>But they wanted a new audience the younger demo, so

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<v Speaker 1>they brought that in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So I think what made me think how wild

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<v Speaker 2>our elimination was because they wanted me to do all

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<v Speaker 2>the things that you were like you were, I know,

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<v Speaker 2>like it meant a lot to you, like you were

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<v Speaker 2>into this we pulls exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>It was unlikely besties.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah exactly. It's like you you enjoyed the dancing, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, we're very vulnerable. Yeah. I think like you

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<v Speaker 2>almost cried during the second dance. Yeah. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>what I feel like when I'm being misunderstood is like

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<v Speaker 2>when I say something is not for me, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>mean like, oh I'm better than this, or like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>condescending or something. It's like it's just something it's not

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<v Speaker 2>for me, and it would be I think it's such

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<v Speaker 2>a like Mavnic interpretation of like my comment. Just because

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<v Speaker 2>I say something like being a present is not for me,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not because I'm condescending or I think I'm better

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<v Speaker 2>than something. I think I'm just being realistic and recognizing

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm good at and what i'm not good at.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't mean oh, just because I cannot dance, everybody

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<v Speaker 2>that dances it's like stupid and they say it like, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so interesting because I've been in this business for

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<v Speaker 1>so long and been media trained and just like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up in the business on camera, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>always taught like don't say this, say this, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you lose sight of kind of like your filter, their filter,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you lose sight of what's real. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>so interesting to hear that because I feel like I've

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<v Speaker 1>been taught so much what not to say that it's

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<v Speaker 1>like it's hard to be yourself. Yeah, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, because you're always worried what others are gonna think. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're the opposite. You're just saying what you think,

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<v Speaker 1>what you feel, and it's not how they're interpreting it

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<v Speaker 1>because they're like, no, it shouldn't be that way.

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<v Speaker 2>I think ideally, like you are supposed to figure out

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<v Speaker 2>what she're good at and like lean into that, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's better for like everyone's better for you, for the society.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I'm not like you're an actress and like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not entertainer. I've never performed anything in front of live audience.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, let me do it, let me try it.

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<v Speaker 2>Out it may or may not be for me, and

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<v Speaker 2>I found it hard and I have respect for people

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<v Speaker 2>who have the capacity to put themselves out out there

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<v Speaker 2>like this. But because I'm saying, oh, maybe that's not

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<v Speaker 2>for me, it doesn't mean like oh, and it's like

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<v Speaker 2>I thinks she's so much better than everyone else's interpretation. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'm just like doing everyone in favor. It's

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<v Speaker 2>sparing them from if I do watch me.

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<v Speaker 1>You're such a good answer. The thing that I was

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<v Speaker 1>so impressed with is that were you nervous? Like you

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<v Speaker 1>came out there and didn't look nervous, were you.

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<v Speaker 2>I think my thing is like I'm very so the

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<v Speaker 2>way I've been introduced into the public eye is like

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<v Speaker 2>through my criminal trial, and when you are in court,

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<v Speaker 2>it's obviously like a public courtroom, so anyone can come in.

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<v Speaker 2>They take pictures of you all day every day, like

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<v Speaker 2>about seven hours, and there's nothing you can do about it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm like used to always being on guard and

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't benefit you to like cry or show any

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<v Speaker 2>emotion because it will always be interpreted like in some

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<v Speaker 2>way that's not beneficial to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I mean, yeah, my story's totally different, but I've

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<v Speaker 1>been like in the public eye forever, all eyes on me.

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<v Speaker 1>You never know when someone's gonna stap a picture and

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<v Speaker 1>someone's listening to you, like in public. Like it's that

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<v Speaker 1>type of feeling, never being able to have privacy. But

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<v Speaker 1>I was like terrified to do this, Like yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>two shows, like both dances, I was like, really scared.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have huge eyes, so I feel like it's

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<v Speaker 1>really hard for me to hide it. And I was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you're an actress, pretend you're not scared. But it's terrified.

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<v Speaker 1>But I feel like, yeah, I mean, you performed great

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<v Speaker 1>in front of everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>My eyes look wild as well. It is because I

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<v Speaker 2>think that blue and like when you look at some

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<v Speaker 2>of the pictures, you might think like I'm one, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know cocaine or add all or something. I

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<v Speaker 2>just like have this. It's very easy to me to

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<v Speaker 2>look crazy on camera, and like I'm being drug tested regularly,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's like I'm not a failed to Troy test.

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<v Speaker 2>So great. I look at some of my pictures and

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<v Speaker 2>it was like, what, how what do I look like?

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<v Speaker 1>So I have bug eyes? You have crazy eyes? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I was nervous, thank you, And I think my focus

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, it's a dancing competition, so it's like

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<v Speaker 2>I have to perform like the steps because that's how

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<v Speaker 2>I've been trained. So it's like I was, yeah, born

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<v Speaker 2>in Russia. It's like we did ballet. It's like you

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<v Speaker 2>have to do the steps. Nobody wants to see you smile,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think really in ballet you don't smile.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting in the ballroom, they're all about like smile, smile.

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<v Speaker 1>That was so hard for me. Yeah, I have never smiled,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I hate showing my teeth, which I have brand

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<v Speaker 1>new teeth now, so I have in ears. I can smile,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's like I'm trained in my head to like

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<v Speaker 1>hide my smile because I used to hate my teeth.

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<v Speaker 1>So Pasha would tell me, like smile, smile, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like I can't.

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<v Speaker 2>But don't you find it jarring for like people to

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<v Speaker 2>demand women to smile in twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 1>Point?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, it's a different context. It's not like

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<v Speaker 2>the construction side.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean there are.

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<v Speaker 2>But still it has like the remnants of like the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like the old patriarchal like border. Yeah, like

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<v Speaker 2>that's yeah, you can only be good and considered or

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<v Speaker 2>considered to be good. When you look pretty and smile

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<v Speaker 2>and you have like five pounds of extensions and three

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<v Speaker 2>pounds of makeup on you.

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<v Speaker 1>Why are you looking at me and saying.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just kidding now, I mean I'm complicit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's so interesting because ballroom dance is very old school.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting like Pasha's instinct for me, like he would

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<v Speaker 1>extend his hand when we were walking around set and

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<v Speaker 1>for me to take his hand and go forward, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, no, no, no, no, I like to follow wait,

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<v Speaker 1>which doesn't make sense, but I like, yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 2>You never know with the pros, it's like obviously they're

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<v Speaker 2>being trained about like how to treat you, and like

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<v Speaker 2>you never know what's sincere and what's just a job.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was kind of like my main issue with

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<v Speaker 2>being on the show, not my main issue, one of

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<v Speaker 2>the issues. But you like Estra I do. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he's a very sweet person.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And imagine like his first season, Yeah, and he

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<v Speaker 1>gets Hanna Delvy like he's probably like, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a blessing and a curse at the same time. Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think it still ended up well for him, because yep,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like either scenario. He wins. If I do well,

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<v Speaker 2>he does well. If I do badly, it's my fault

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<v Speaker 2>because he's a new one and I'm so bad and

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<v Speaker 2>just negative. And it's just like the amount of negativity

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<v Speaker 2>that I've gotten, like all the comments. So it's like

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<v Speaker 2>when I post something on my profile, I think most

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<v Speaker 2>of them are positive, but it's like a collaboration post

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<v Speaker 2>or dancing with a starist or just like seeing something

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<v Speaker 2>on their profile. On others, it's just people universally feeling

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<v Speaker 2>for Ezra, feeling bad for Ezra, which is like, come on,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like it's his job. He's still getting paid for it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not like some abuser. I'm not dodging some of those.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I felt bad for Pasha like getting me yeah

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<v Speaker 1>at it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's just like they sign up for the

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<v Speaker 2>job and they now like you are not gonna get

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Ezra loves you, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's a sweet guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's such a good guy. I feel like it

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<v Speaker 1>was a good pairing. Yeah. I feel like all our

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<v Speaker 1>pairings were actually correct. Yeah, I think where did you laugh?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it would have been interesting if they had

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<v Speaker 2>like a Shuffle episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, who would you want?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, just I don't really know much about

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<v Speaker 2>the show, I have to say so I only watched

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<v Speaker 2>season where Jojo was on it in twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 2>so and I feel.

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<v Speaker 1>I was very specific.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I was in jail, so gohead. I could not

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<v Speaker 2>really watch anything else. I would have been interesting to

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<v Speaker 2>like do like a partner switch or even like just

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<v Speaker 2>for a day for their training for.

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<v Speaker 1>The season, like who who would you want?

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<v Speaker 2>I would have. I would want to like try everyone nine,

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<v Speaker 2>try on everyone yeah, same girl's name, Like maybe it's

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<v Speaker 2>just you do a week where I think we're the

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<v Speaker 2>only whatever six couples left, and you all of them

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<v Speaker 2>try like a different partner. I don't know. Maybe it

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<v Speaker 2>would be fun like I think it would be, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you just like see whoever like works best.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>I also another thing, another idea I thought it would

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<v Speaker 2>be funny for them to do is to do celebrity

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<v Speaker 2>with celebrity. I would love to like do a dance

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<v Speaker 2>at Reginald yep because it seems like they try to pair,

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<v Speaker 2>like they tried to cast like fifty to fifty women

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<v Speaker 2>and men. So oh, it is like maybe not as

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<v Speaker 2>part of the main episode, but like maybe some like

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like a five minute special, like a little wow,

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<v Speaker 2>like what would happen with you?

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<v Speaker 1>And Alona?

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<v Speaker 2>I like her too. I'd have her flip me over

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<v Speaker 2>any day.

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<v Speaker 1>She flipped Alan over. Wow, that was like.

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<v Speaker 2>Wild, I'm lighter than Alan. I think that was crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know it's ABC, Disney, Blas, Hulu the next day,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're PC and they do have a thing before

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<v Speaker 1>like make sure you guys were going live like don't

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<v Speaker 1>no one say that upward, like don't so I curse

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<v Speaker 1>a lot wear like a trick drip and I yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>really had to reel it in with this experience.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm producing. I produced couple of fashion show with

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<v Speaker 2>shows with Kelly Katron during the fashion week. And because

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<v Speaker 2>we represent like young designers, not all of them necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>have like the budget for like a great venue and

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<v Speaker 2>to produce a fashion show like costs like up to

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred thousand dollars, like including models and the staff.

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<v Speaker 2>So and some of them, I mean like they did

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<v Speaker 2>basically like a collaboration with Cornhub porn Hub Wow, who

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<v Speaker 2>like paid for part of the venue and and everyone

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<v Speaker 2>was super nice it was just like a cornhob. Yeah

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<v Speaker 2>to introduce me. Yeah, they have a very interesting podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I did like a panel on the podcast them Terms

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<v Speaker 2>of Service, and they talk about free speech and like

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<v Speaker 2>censorship and yeah, and it's the one of the showrunners.

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<v Speaker 1>And as Akira, she was like, would you do only fans?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, should I do only fans?

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<v Speaker 2>It's af to you whatever you.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, no, no. As as my friend like just

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<v Speaker 1>got instinct, what would.

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<v Speaker 2>You say, I would say no. I think it kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like cheapens your brand, and like it's brand, it

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<v Speaker 2>makes it easier for people to dismiss you or like

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<v Speaker 2>discarge you as desperate. I like that, but I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>I have not really. So my thing is, like I

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<v Speaker 2>have been banned from social media until like August of

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<v Speaker 2>this year, so I haven't been considering that.

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<v Speaker 1>So you were off social media for help.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty two months. I mean I was like in various

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<v Speaker 2>chairs in prison, so obviously, like I was able to post,

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<v Speaker 2>but like through my managers, what will they go to post?

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<v Speaker 1>Post?

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<v Speaker 2>Not much? And then the immigration judge just like decided

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<v Speaker 2>I don't deserve to post on Instagram, even though that

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<v Speaker 2>was against the first Amendment and it just took it like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two months to get for the system. And I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't argue with it at all, Like we didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>to put up the fight. And what do I get,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I could sue the government. It probably take me

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<v Speaker 2>twenty years and like five million dollars in legal fees, like,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is what it is. But I'm the bad one.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your favorite platform?

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram? I think, Yeah, I'm not tech savvy, like really bad.

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<v Speaker 1>It takes me forever to do that stuff, but I

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<v Speaker 1>do it. I have an AOL account. Is that gone before?

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<v Speaker 1>It still works? It works?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I have quite quite a history with Aol account.

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<v Speaker 1>Really wait, what do you mean? What?

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<v Speaker 2>No, whatever, just google it and yeah. Like my first

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<v Speaker 2>exposure to the media was like through like my legal

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<v Speaker 2>proceedings and it's like everyone's against you. Everything was used

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<v Speaker 2>against me, like my tweets. So I was sentenced to

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<v Speaker 2>what four to twelve years in prison, which my minimum

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<v Speaker 2>was no jail time. And apparently I was like on

0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:38.680
<v Speaker 2>them like a first time offender in that I repaid

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<v Speaker 2>my institution before even leaving prison from the Netflix proceeds.

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<v Speaker 2>But apparently I was like on the worst but I

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<v Speaker 2>guess the judge wanted to make an example out of

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<v Speaker 2>me because of the old media exposure I've gotten, which

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<v Speaker 2>was not really what like. It was not because I

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<v Speaker 2>was trying to sell myself because I was in jail

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<v Speaker 2>the whole time. It was like because of like one

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<v Speaker 2>media article the New York magazine. So my primary exposure

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<v Speaker 2>to like media was like I always had to be

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<v Speaker 2>on defensive. And when I got out of prison, so whoever,

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<v Speaker 2>like the people who picked me up, they handed me

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<v Speaker 2>my phone, like a fully functioning phone with all like Instagram,

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<v Speaker 2>all of my accounts on there, and I just like

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<v Speaker 2>did not get off of it for the next six weeks, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I had tons of change.

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<v Speaker 2>I had like so much fun tweeting and being on Instagram,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like it's wild, even though I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>grew up on Instagram in a way. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>started using it when I was about twenty one, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we had like this social media network called

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<v Speaker 2>like school or CEC, like in Germany they got it

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<v Speaker 2>got deleted like one bankrupt or something. But it was

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<v Speaker 2>like it's like Facebook, but only for school, like literally,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's basically you register it and you have to

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<v Speaker 2>like pick your school and your class, okay, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you have like a pin board and you have like

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<v Speaker 2>a chat so it's like no adults allowed. But like

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I went bankrupt. And this is when like

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<v Speaker 2>Facebook became really big. So thank god I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>like any fourteen old pictures of me out there. Wait

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<v Speaker 2>really yeah, so it got deleted, like nothing got saved.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'm not sure what happened to them, Like wait, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think they just they either sault to someone or

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, wait they what like they salt to

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<v Speaker 2>like some bigger company, but I don't know, like they

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<v Speaker 2>just disabled everyone's accounts. I just was not like that

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<v Speaker 2>tech savvy of nineteen too. I want to dig.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish there weren't pictures that we had fourteen Oh wait,

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<v Speaker 1>so you gotta Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So I got out of prison and then I just

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<v Speaker 2>started tweeting right away.

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<v Speaker 1>I think un a black bear, just curious.

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<v Speaker 2>I found it was twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, and I started saying it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, uh, well, the Manhattan DA's office said something like, well,

0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:17.480
<v Speaker 2>the masquerade is over. We convicted Anna Delvi. So I

0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:20.960
<v Speaker 2>we tweeted like the Da Vansa's tweet, who is like

0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:26.159
<v Speaker 2>the Manhattan chief prosecutor, the district attorney. I said, good job.

0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:38.800
<v Speaker 2>And then I said and I said, looking for a

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<v Speaker 2>seven hundred and fifty million dollar alone from my next

0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:46.680
<v Speaker 2>mon Fortress investments, Any takers? And I said, my rap

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<v Speaker 2>sheet long and than yellow digs can ever be. And

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<v Speaker 2>then the best common and that was like, well, like

0:18:53.040 --> 0:19:02.520
<v Speaker 2>a like a regular sheet is like obviously longer than

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<v Speaker 2>in the average size, so like it's they were all hits.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was really fun to you. I have to

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<v Speaker 2>listen to my own twits in like a court room

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<v Speaker 2>setting and a context of meeting denied bail.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a fucking genius.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, yeah, I had to pay the price. Definitely.

0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:34.800
<v Speaker 2>I think there should be like a comedic license that

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<v Speaker 2>should apply to me as well. But to us.

0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:45.919
<v Speaker 1>We take this on the road. Oh you can't wait, wait,

0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:48.879
<v Speaker 1>I can for like for work, you go with the

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<v Speaker 1>ankle bracelet.

0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:53.440
<v Speaker 2>So my current conditions, I'm allowed to travel within seventy

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<v Speaker 2>five miles of my approved residence and within seventy within

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<v Speaker 2>five boroughs of the New York City.

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<v Speaker 1>So and I'm a born raised in La what's a borough.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Manhattan, Bronx, Queens, Staten Island, Brooklyn.

0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:12.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh we do I sound really dumb not knowing that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Burrough's a donkey. What are you guys talking about?

0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:20.399
<v Speaker 1>Oh Burrow just an accent? What do you want me

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<v Speaker 1>to do?

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't understand I have four and you just say

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<v Speaker 2>I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm blonde coming a break.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, don't worry about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>I could barely understand whatever Anna was saying.

0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:42.200
<v Speaker 1>I would never wait. Can I talk about inventing Anna? Sure?

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<v Speaker 2>I have not watched it, so you know more about

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<v Speaker 2>it than I not much.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So my friend Morgan, who is here tonight, over there,

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<v Speaker 1>So I it was twenty twenty one. I had I

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<v Speaker 1>had my boobs readam and I had a hernia from

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<v Speaker 1>my five C sections. I don't know why I allowed this,

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<v Speaker 1>but I was like, I really only want one surgery.

0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:14.080
<v Speaker 1>And the doctor was like, oh, I'm a general surgeon,

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<v Speaker 1>so I've worked with hernia as before. I can do

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<v Speaker 1>that while you're under and also do your boobs. So

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<v Speaker 1>I said, okay, great, and then they put you up

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<v Speaker 1>at like a hotel that's like a surgery center and

0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:31.199
<v Speaker 1>they have nurses there. Anyway, I went there and I

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<v Speaker 1>was there especially there Morgan like one day, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's my son's birthday. I'm going to be I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to get through this and check out in one day. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I went there and I was in an extreme amount

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<v Speaker 1>of pain, and I was like, I think something's wrong.

0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:49.200
<v Speaker 1>But they didn't believe me. And they were like, oh.

0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:51.800
<v Speaker 1>The doctor's like, maybe you don't have a high pain tolerance.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like you don't understand what I've been through. I've

0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:57.600
<v Speaker 1>had five babies, Like I have a high pain tolerance.

0:21:57.600 --> 0:22:00.840
<v Speaker 1>I get like everything. I have a high paint And

0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:02.640
<v Speaker 1>he was like, oh, well, this is weird that you're

0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:07.040
<v Speaker 1>in this much pain. Anyway, Morgan's like, take your mind

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<v Speaker 1>off of it, distract yourself. You should watch Inventing Anna

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<v Speaker 1>Yes literally her words. And I was like, Okay, did

0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:19.840
<v Speaker 1>it work? I don't remember it because I literally was

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<v Speaker 1>in so much pain on so many medications, pills, and

0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:29.040
<v Speaker 1>then ambient to sleep at this hotel whatever that I was, well,

0:22:29.080 --> 0:22:30.960
<v Speaker 1>I was like mid into it. I think I was

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<v Speaker 1>like on episode seven. So I pulled an all nighter

0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:38.399
<v Speaker 1>on my medication and pain, and then I called Morgan

0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:41.040
<v Speaker 1>in the morning. I'm like, I, something's wrong. You have

0:22:41.040 --> 0:22:43.720
<v Speaker 1>to take me to the hospital, and so she picked

0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:47.000
<v Speaker 1>me up, so I didn't finish inventing Anna. She shook

0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:50.760
<v Speaker 1>me to the hospital and literally where they had repaired

0:22:50.800 --> 0:22:54.840
<v Speaker 1>the hernia, it exploded and I was in cedars for

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<v Speaker 1>six weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm sorry. I mean blame Shonda. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>it was that bad.

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<v Speaker 1>And everyone I know loved it. And you should you

0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:13.720
<v Speaker 1>from that because I didn't even recall. But I have

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<v Speaker 1>PTSD because my floaded while I was trying to watch

0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:17.960
<v Speaker 1>that show.

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<v Speaker 2>You should join Rachel Williams in he a lawsuit. I

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<v Speaker 2>can't s Netflix, but.

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<v Speaker 1>I did, like, I did try to go online because

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I don't want the like faux version

0:23:37.160 --> 0:23:39.680
<v Speaker 1>of you and like and obviously.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say inventing and I made my insights explode. My

0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:48.120
<v Speaker 2>second makes them look stupid because you never see me

0:23:48.280 --> 0:23:52.480
<v Speaker 2>suing anyone. I could be suing like people like Deformation,

0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:55.880
<v Speaker 2>this and that. Like you never see me suing anyone.

0:23:56.080 --> 0:23:58.199
<v Speaker 2>I think people who are suing other people are the

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<v Speaker 2>ones who are like the losers and the ones who

0:24:00.720 --> 0:24:03.399
<v Speaker 2>are better. I have not sued anyone people are suing

0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:10.080
<v Speaker 2>me and they don't lose all the time. Yeah, I

0:24:10.119 --> 0:24:13.200
<v Speaker 2>have not have I don't have a single lawsuit against

0:24:13.280 --> 0:24:18.600
<v Speaker 2>anyone with me as a plane. Yeah, it's just, yeah,

0:24:18.920 --> 0:24:22.680
<v Speaker 2>your time is better used to like working to something

0:24:22.680 --> 0:24:26.720
<v Speaker 2>productive and creating and not like trying to exploit other

0:24:26.760 --> 0:24:31.440
<v Speaker 2>people for I Like, it's like a little thread here

0:24:31.520 --> 0:24:39.360
<v Speaker 2>and there. It's like a little spice.

0:24:42.600 --> 0:24:43.520
<v Speaker 1>Are you on cameo?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

0:24:45.760 --> 0:24:46.359
<v Speaker 1>Do you want to be?

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<v Speaker 2>I refuse to be?

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<v Speaker 1>Why.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's time.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. I always forget, but why I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like kind of cheapens your brand too. Like I've

0:24:57.880 --> 0:25:00.400
<v Speaker 2>been offered to be in cameo. It's like, oh, I'll

0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:03.359
<v Speaker 2>say anything if you pay me. I've been approached by

0:25:03.480 --> 0:25:06.600
<v Speaker 2>Kimyos so many times. I just don't think, Like I'm

0:25:06.600 --> 0:25:09.639
<v Speaker 2>not an actress, and I don't know, Like I just

0:25:10.119 --> 0:25:13.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I would. It feels so dirty doing that.

0:25:14.119 --> 0:25:16.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, like sending a fan of video.

0:25:17.080 --> 0:25:19.800
<v Speaker 2>I think. I guess that's not the main problem. I

0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:24.000
<v Speaker 2>guess the how it's being portrayed in the media, Like

0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:27.919
<v Speaker 2>it would not do me any favor yet right now, Yeah,

0:25:28.080 --> 0:25:30.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't think anything like there's anything bad with it.

0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:33.119
<v Speaker 2>I think it's like super cute and sweet. I know

0:25:33.160 --> 0:25:35.280
<v Speaker 2>a ton of people who do it, and it's like

0:25:35.520 --> 0:25:38.919
<v Speaker 2>it helps a lot of them. But like in combination

0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:41.280
<v Speaker 2>with me, that will just like say Anna as like

0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:44.800
<v Speaker 2>a scammer, opportunist, and like it's just not it's going

0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:48.520
<v Speaker 2>to feed into what I want to be removed from.

0:25:48.880 --> 0:25:53.040
<v Speaker 2>So it's like a cheap and lazy, easy way to

0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:56.880
<v Speaker 2>make money and I'm trying to stay away from that. Yeah,

0:26:01.200 --> 0:26:05.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm failing obviously. But Toris is such like a legend

0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:10.200
<v Speaker 2>and she has so much Like she has so much time,

0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:13.240
<v Speaker 2>be like she put in the work while I'm being

0:26:13.320 --> 0:26:18.480
<v Speaker 2>seen as like I'm like somewhat young, that young, but

0:26:18.560 --> 0:26:21.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm being seen as like like a one hit wonder

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever.

0:26:23.880 --> 0:26:28.480
<v Speaker 1>You're around, it would have been would have been done.

0:26:28.760 --> 0:26:31.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So it's like you managed to stay relevant for

0:26:32.000 --> 0:26:34.679
<v Speaker 2>all those years in one way or another.

0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:38.960
<v Speaker 1>It's like the reverse. We're like the reverse, Like the

0:26:39.040 --> 0:26:44.760
<v Speaker 1>way we each came into this situation of like media.

0:26:44.960 --> 0:26:49.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and like it's our attitudes towards the show there

0:26:49.040 --> 0:26:52.960
<v Speaker 2>was so different different yeah, and that's why I like,

0:26:53.600 --> 0:26:55.800
<v Speaker 2>what could I have done better? Because they were like, Oh,

0:26:55.840 --> 0:26:57.639
<v Speaker 2>you have to smile more, and you have to be

0:26:57.760 --> 0:27:00.680
<v Speaker 2>more emotional, you have to like put so much into

0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:06.160
<v Speaker 2>It's like, well Tori has done yeah, and I mean

0:27:06.359 --> 0:27:09.600
<v Speaker 2>the show, it's like it's more your.

0:27:09.480 --> 0:27:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Audience apparently not.

0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, apparently. I was so surprised. It's like I would

0:27:15.920 --> 0:27:19.000
<v Speaker 2>have like, you would have been the last person that

0:27:19.080 --> 0:27:19.960
<v Speaker 2>would have been evicted.

0:27:23.400 --> 0:27:24.240
<v Speaker 1>Did you see evicted?

0:27:25.119 --> 0:27:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Evicted, eliminated.

0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:29.520
<v Speaker 1>All places?

0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:34.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm boring, don't mind.

0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:40.280
<v Speaker 1>Eliminated. Yeah, It's it's so.

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:43.520
<v Speaker 2>Weird because now this makes me think it's like if

0:27:43.560 --> 0:27:47.320
<v Speaker 2>I like we're crying doing my dance, which is like

0:27:47.359 --> 0:27:49.920
<v Speaker 2>not my personality at all, Like that would not have

0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:54.280
<v Speaker 2>made anything different because like it feels like they just

0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:57.560
<v Speaker 2>decided to like hate us.

0:27:57.560 --> 0:28:00.359
<v Speaker 1>So like who the people at home voting?

0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:02.679
<v Speaker 2>So I'm not sure how the show works. I know

0:28:02.800 --> 0:28:06.359
<v Speaker 2>nothing about the show. Unfortunately, I probably should have researched

0:28:06.359 --> 0:28:07.159
<v Speaker 2>it more before I went.

0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:09.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I didn't know how voting worked. I

0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:11.480
<v Speaker 1>knew like when I used to watch the show, you

0:28:11.520 --> 0:28:15.720
<v Speaker 1>could call or text. Yeah, I used to watch the show,

0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:16.479
<v Speaker 1>but I never called her.

0:28:16.800 --> 0:28:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like it's such a weird thing to do. It's

0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:23.320
<v Speaker 2>like unless you, like, unless it's a friend like I'm

0:28:23.400 --> 0:28:26.720
<v Speaker 2>texting with regularly, it's like, oh, text and like vote

0:28:26.760 --> 0:28:29.639
<v Speaker 2>for me, Like why would you do that? So's like

0:28:29.680 --> 0:28:32.360
<v Speaker 2>a weird thing to do, like unless you.

0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:34.400
<v Speaker 1>Have for us apparently, so yeah.

0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:37.240
<v Speaker 2>Unless you have like a fan mentality, it's just like

0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:40.480
<v Speaker 2>not the mindset of the people of like I don't know,

0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:43.800
<v Speaker 2>my audience is not this right, they're not.

0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, like your audience are like my kids and

0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:50.920
<v Speaker 1>they're not. Yeah, they would have no idea how to

0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:54.200
<v Speaker 1>like text and not not no idea, but like it's not.

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:57.280
<v Speaker 2>They don't even know what the show is on. They

0:28:57.320 --> 0:29:01.000
<v Speaker 2>don't and like nobody watches life to be it's like

0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:07.000
<v Speaker 2>all stream I know. Yeah, So I think it's like

0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:10.000
<v Speaker 2>it's actually they followed because they're so outdated, and I

0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:13.840
<v Speaker 2>think if the goal was to stay relevant.

0:29:13.480 --> 0:29:17.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just stay relevant and like what would it be

0:29:17.600 --> 0:29:19.960
<v Speaker 1>to they can make that transition because I feel like

0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:23.400
<v Speaker 1>they're trying to. They haven't completely done it, but I.

0:29:23.280 --> 0:29:25.840
<v Speaker 2>Think it's if you have a collaboration with Disney Plus

0:29:25.880 --> 0:29:28.280
<v Speaker 2>and like all the streamers, it's like so many of

0:29:28.320 --> 0:29:31.240
<v Speaker 2>my friends that is like, well I knew you were

0:29:31.240 --> 0:29:33.840
<v Speaker 2>going to be lost, especially during their premiere. So just

0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:36.240
<v Speaker 2>like I watched it on Disney Plus. I like, I

0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:38.680
<v Speaker 2>don't blame people. It's like two hours of your time.

0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:42.000
<v Speaker 2>It's a lot of time to like dedicate, and not

0:29:42.120 --> 0:29:44.680
<v Speaker 2>everyone has that. And even I'm like, I don't have family,

0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:46.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't have kids, and it's like even I am

0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:49.080
<v Speaker 2>busy and I'm like when I was complaining about my

0:29:49.120 --> 0:29:51.479
<v Speaker 2>schedule dancing with the Stuss, like I was like, I

0:29:51.480 --> 0:29:54.080
<v Speaker 2>cannot be the only one because yeah, I was like

0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:56.080
<v Speaker 2>I was thinking about all the people with the kids,

0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:58.880
<v Speaker 2>and like kids have all kinds of issues, and it's

0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:03.239
<v Speaker 2>like I cannot be them most problematic person here. And

0:30:04.440 --> 0:30:07.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, and it's so much easier to like

0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:11.160
<v Speaker 2>go yeah on Disney Plus and stream the episode and

0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:13.880
<v Speaker 2>like watch the person you care about. I don't know,

0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:15.479
<v Speaker 2>they just need to update it.

0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:18.640
<v Speaker 1>But it's like breaking into two nights. Maybe I don't know.

0:30:18.880 --> 0:30:21.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or just I don't know. I think like the

0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:28.120
<v Speaker 2>voting doing the Life whatever broadcast, it's just like, so.

0:30:29.120 --> 0:30:31.360
<v Speaker 1>I would it be then how do we get votes?

0:30:32.400 --> 0:30:40.120
<v Speaker 2>Just like Instagram and TikTok and Twitter, and I don't know,

0:30:41.440 --> 0:30:46.280
<v Speaker 2>there must be some solution, Yeah, because it's so easy

0:30:46.320 --> 0:30:50.200
<v Speaker 2>to listen to you for next season if you offer solutions.

0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:52.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't care.

0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:52.800
<v Speaker 1>It's not my.

0:30:54.600 --> 0:31:00.320
<v Speaker 2>It's not my problem. But I think it's just like

0:31:00.400 --> 0:31:04.800
<v Speaker 2>the show, it's cute to be in disadvantage for like

0:31:04.920 --> 0:31:10.360
<v Speaker 2>younger audience. Like even Chandler. She's an amazing dancer. I

0:31:10.400 --> 0:31:13.360
<v Speaker 2>think she's like a beautiful girl, and she dances so well.

0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:17.640
<v Speaker 2>She has I think, like I don't know like half

0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:21.800
<v Speaker 2>of my following, and it's true, and it's probably I

0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:24.240
<v Speaker 2>think she's like ten years younger than me or something

0:31:24.400 --> 0:31:29.960
<v Speaker 2>like which one of the kids are watching ABC. Dancing

0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:33.160
<v Speaker 2>with This Star is live and like voting, it's kind

0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:34.120
<v Speaker 2>of like a bizarre thing.

0:31:34.200 --> 0:31:38.080
<v Speaker 1>My friend thinks it's all young people. Like all of

0:31:38.080 --> 0:31:41.520
<v Speaker 1>my followers and fans didn't understand that they had to

0:31:41.640 --> 0:31:45.120
<v Speaker 1>vote at five o'clock and do a blind vote even

0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:47.160
<v Speaker 1>though it's airing at eight and they won't see it

0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:47.720
<v Speaker 1>till then.

0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:51.640
<v Speaker 2>I think there's just like nothing comparable. I think now

0:31:51.640 --> 0:31:55.600
<v Speaker 2>if you have like verified social media accounts that could

0:31:55.640 --> 0:31:58.200
<v Speaker 2>like count. I'm kind of fit, Like I'm not like

0:31:58.240 --> 0:32:02.320
<v Speaker 2>three hundred pounds and I'm like a decent dancer. I'm

0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:04.360
<v Speaker 2>not like the best, but like I don't think I've

0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:06.200
<v Speaker 2>done the worst job on the show.

0:32:06.560 --> 0:32:08.880
<v Speaker 1>A really good dancer, a beautiful dancer.

0:32:09.160 --> 0:32:10.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know. This is like the way I

0:32:10.880 --> 0:32:13.479
<v Speaker 2>see it. It's like I don't think, I think. I like,

0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:16.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm obviously not a pro. I've done like my best.

0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:20.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm somewhat fit. I think I improved kind of doing

0:32:20.720 --> 0:32:24.560
<v Speaker 2>the like the second dance and the choreography was not

0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:29.640
<v Speaker 2>really challenging, but it's not my responsibility. And I just

0:32:29.680 --> 0:32:31.800
<v Speaker 2>don't know what I could have done better because I think,

0:32:31.880 --> 0:32:33.760
<v Speaker 2>like I just think, yeah, I could have done like

0:32:33.800 --> 0:32:39.640
<v Speaker 2>any technical mistakes technical like sorry, my form both your yeah, yeah,

0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:41.720
<v Speaker 2>my farm could have been like a bit better.

0:32:41.840 --> 0:32:47.520
<v Speaker 1>Like your frame in my friend that I thought it

0:32:47.560 --> 0:32:52.280
<v Speaker 1>was amazing, like watching you and I had no expectations.

0:32:52.280 --> 0:32:55.760
<v Speaker 1>I had no idea. I know you had mentioned that

0:32:55.800 --> 0:32:59.560
<v Speaker 1>you had done ballet, but like I I watched you

0:32:59.600 --> 0:33:01.640
<v Speaker 1>before for the first time, I was like, oh my god,

0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:03.400
<v Speaker 1>she's a beautiful dancer.

0:33:04.480 --> 0:33:07.560
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, and like you're as well. You're extremely flexible,

0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:12.200
<v Speaker 2>like you you have split is better than mine.

0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:13.640
<v Speaker 1>You do a split too.

0:33:14.000 --> 0:33:15.520
<v Speaker 2>I did split an espresso.

0:33:18.320 --> 0:33:19.280
<v Speaker 1>Did you m m.

0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:22.440
<v Speaker 2>But whatever, you didn't watch.

0:33:23.000 --> 0:33:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Wait no you know what? No, No, no, I didn't.

0:33:28.040 --> 0:33:30.240
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it is much better than mine, but it's like

0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:34.840
<v Speaker 2>it takes practice. You have split is much better than mine.

0:33:34.880 --> 0:33:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Your first show when you went, because there was some

0:33:39.040 --> 0:33:41.680
<v Speaker 1>reason you were, you came in last, right.

0:33:42.280 --> 0:33:46.240
<v Speaker 2>Well, they told me it was like an honor.

0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:50.440
<v Speaker 1>To close the show. Yeah, I mean it is. They,

0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:54.360
<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, probably put you last because it was

0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:58.800
<v Speaker 1>a big wow factor, like too somewhere in the middle,

0:33:58.960 --> 0:34:00.960
<v Speaker 1>Like like I was in the middle. I was like, oh,

0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:04.280
<v Speaker 1>I loves boring TV. As like a producer in my mind,

0:34:04.320 --> 0:34:06.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, okay, you want like the ones that are

0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:08.960
<v Speaker 1>going to like draw big, like it's going to be

0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:12.279
<v Speaker 1>first or last and you close the show. Yeah, yeah,

0:34:12.320 --> 0:34:14.520
<v Speaker 1>you always want to close the show. I mean you're

0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:16.279
<v Speaker 1>the biggest tad.

0:34:16.320 --> 0:34:18.359
<v Speaker 2>Obviously I was not not for too long.

0:34:19.880 --> 0:34:23.759
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you're a great dancer and this isn't even

0:34:23.840 --> 0:34:25.560
<v Speaker 1>your thing, so like to come.

0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:28.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I was decent. I'm not like one

0:34:28.160 --> 0:34:30.600
<v Speaker 2>of the greatest dancers to world has ever seen.

0:34:31.880 --> 0:34:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Who is on that show except for well Chandler, Like.

0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:35.640
<v Speaker 2>Chandler is good.

0:34:35.800 --> 0:34:36.760
<v Speaker 1>I think it's great.

0:34:36.880 --> 0:34:39.520
<v Speaker 2>She's pretty, and she's like an actress. She has like

0:34:39.560 --> 0:34:43.880
<v Speaker 2>all the attributes that make her but like, I don't know,

0:34:43.920 --> 0:34:47.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how many votes would she get because

0:34:47.200 --> 0:34:50.439
<v Speaker 2>how we don't know. Yeah, because she's younger. Yeah, she's

0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:52.000
<v Speaker 2>like a decade younger than I am.

0:34:52.280 --> 0:34:55.040
<v Speaker 1>And you feel like her audience isn't watching dancing.

0:34:55.280 --> 0:34:57.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure. I mean, obviously she's still on the show.

0:34:57.800 --> 0:35:01.880
<v Speaker 2>She's better than that, but it would not be fair

0:35:01.920 --> 0:35:07.200
<v Speaker 2>to her if my understanding is like younger people don't

0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:10.600
<v Speaker 2>really watch Life to be like, because who has Basic Cable?

0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:14.120
<v Speaker 2>Because that's what the show is on. Like most of

0:35:14.160 --> 0:35:17.720
<v Speaker 2>the people they have like Netflix and like the subscriptions,

0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:22.160
<v Speaker 2>So thats just like always like the exposure and they

0:35:22.440 --> 0:35:25.799
<v Speaker 2>will obviously watch the clips and like YouTube videos, but

0:35:25.960 --> 0:35:29.879
<v Speaker 2>not like what matters if the votes during the live

0:35:29.960 --> 0:35:33.440
<v Speaker 2>show really matter, which no one can tell because if

0:35:33.440 --> 0:35:38.560
<v Speaker 2>I'll ever release the data, that's just unfair, Like I

0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:39.040
<v Speaker 2>don't have.

0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:41.240
<v Speaker 1>Basic cable audit them.

0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:45.319
<v Speaker 2>Sure, yeah, let's combine the forces with pretty little Bill.

0:35:49.680 --> 0:35:51.600
<v Speaker 1>Well, how about I'll pay you back?

0:35:53.640 --> 0:35:56.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's do it. We'll combine like your audience and

0:35:57.000 --> 0:35:58.320
<v Speaker 2>my audience will.

0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:02.719
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, wait, so the time we sput on

0:36:02.760 --> 0:36:06.799
<v Speaker 1>the show election Fraud, I said that the other day.

0:36:06.840 --> 0:36:10.560
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I mean, I don't I'm not having

0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:13.320
<v Speaker 2>like a really hard time believing like no one voted

0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:17.080
<v Speaker 2>for me, because same, my my audience is like gen

0:36:17.200 --> 0:36:20.200
<v Speaker 2>z oh Young Millani, and you're having a hard time

0:36:20.280 --> 0:36:22.560
<v Speaker 2>believing or not not like really, oh, I'm having a

0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:26.040
<v Speaker 2>really hard time vote for me. I mean you're like

0:36:26.120 --> 0:36:29.200
<v Speaker 2>such a like you have such a track record and

0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:32.200
<v Speaker 2>you're like very Hollywood like a lay as your city.

0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:33.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, you are.

0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:38.080
<v Speaker 1>In my audience. Yeah, in your audience exactly. Yeah. They

0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:39.880
<v Speaker 1>would have texted.

0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:41.840
<v Speaker 2>This is what I like kind of reinforced me in

0:36:41.960 --> 0:36:45.719
<v Speaker 2>my opinion, because you are exactly what they wanted me

0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:49.600
<v Speaker 2>to be, like vulnerable and you're emotional and you like

0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:53.520
<v Speaker 2>really wanted to be on it, and it's all good things.

0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:59.319
<v Speaker 1>Just like so we were eliminated and they were They

0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:02.359
<v Speaker 1>came to me for and asked about the experience, and

0:37:02.920 --> 0:37:04.719
<v Speaker 1>I was just so in my I was just like

0:37:04.760 --> 0:37:08.640
<v Speaker 1>in another world, like it was all like happening so fast,

0:37:08.920 --> 0:37:13.400
<v Speaker 1>and I didn't even know what Julianne asked you because

0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:16.080
<v Speaker 1>I was just turned to Pasha and I was like still, like,

0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:18.480
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, I'm so sorry, Like shit, I got

0:37:18.480 --> 0:37:21.759
<v Speaker 1>you eliminated. I don't know what I was thinking, And

0:37:21.920 --> 0:37:25.239
<v Speaker 1>I didn't see it till like Instagram the next day

0:37:25.560 --> 0:37:26.640
<v Speaker 1>that she said, we're.

0:37:27.360 --> 0:37:29.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I believe that because you're like you so in

0:37:29.640 --> 0:37:32.480
<v Speaker 2>your own moment and uh, but do I have to

0:37:32.520 --> 0:37:35.239
<v Speaker 2>say I'm glad it was you who gotta limit with

0:37:35.360 --> 0:37:39.400
<v Speaker 2>me and the Reginald because it would have been so

0:37:39.520 --> 0:37:43.400
<v Speaker 2>much more sadder for me. It would like put me

0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:49.040
<v Speaker 2>on the same dancing skill level as you, Like.

0:37:49.000 --> 0:37:51.520
<v Speaker 1>You'd be sadder if it was him and not because

0:37:51.560 --> 0:37:51.960
<v Speaker 1>it was me.

0:37:53.840 --> 0:37:57.759
<v Speaker 2>No, no, yeah, because it would like, yeah, that would

0:37:57.840 --> 0:38:01.759
<v Speaker 2>like compare my dancing skills to genes if we both

0:38:01.800 --> 0:38:07.320
<v Speaker 2>were elevated. So at least you are a fairly decent dancer.

0:38:07.600 --> 0:38:09.759
<v Speaker 2>Like we're not pros. I mean I'm not. I don't

0:38:09.760 --> 0:38:13.680
<v Speaker 2>see myself as a pro by any means this. Yeah,

0:38:13.680 --> 0:38:18.960
<v Speaker 2>we're adequate, we're adequate, I think. Yeah, So I see

0:38:19.000 --> 0:38:21.440
<v Speaker 2>I was els like on an adequate net level and

0:38:21.480 --> 0:38:25.360
<v Speaker 2>we got eliminated and people who were I think below

0:38:25.440 --> 0:38:28.839
<v Speaker 2>us got to stay on the show and makes it

0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:33.560
<v Speaker 2>like a bit sus for a show that's called dancing

0:38:33.680 --> 0:38:37.160
<v Speaker 2>with the stars, and not like gossiping with the stars

0:38:37.280 --> 0:38:49.480
<v Speaker 2>or frock yeah the stars, or yeah, making friends with

0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:52.960
<v Speaker 2>the stars. Yeah, dancing with the pros. None of this.

0:38:53.200 --> 0:38:56.839
<v Speaker 2>So it's a bit suspicious, but it is what it is.

0:38:59.080 --> 0:38:59.800
<v Speaker 1>This is true.

0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:02.400
<v Speaker 2>But fraternizing with the stars, Yeah.

0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:05.080
<v Speaker 1>No, fraternizing that a good one. That's a good one.

0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:12.640
<v Speaker 2>So I'm glad you're my partner in this elimination. It

0:39:12.640 --> 0:39:18.000
<v Speaker 2>could have been Forest Tory, admit it. Well, I would

0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:24.080
<v Speaker 2>you have Eric over me? No, because I, like I.

0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:27.000
<v Speaker 1>Said, like, all I knew about you coming into this

0:39:27.280 --> 0:39:30.480
<v Speaker 1>was inventing Anna, and obviously I've told you the story.

0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:34.560
<v Speaker 1>So everyone loved that show on Netflix. I didn't get

0:39:34.600 --> 0:39:37.720
<v Speaker 1>through it because I had exploding. It was pretty testing.

0:39:38.080 --> 0:39:43.720
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so I came into this just like getting

0:39:43.760 --> 0:39:47.160
<v Speaker 1>to know you, and I really liked you and we connected.

0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:50.960
<v Speaker 2>And I didn't watch that show either, So that makes

0:39:51.000 --> 0:39:57.520
<v Speaker 2>two of us so perfect. Should we watch it maybe someday?

0:39:57.640 --> 0:39:57.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:39:57.880 --> 0:40:03.479
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm getting Subpeanut by Rachel Williams and I'm telling

0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:06.120
<v Speaker 2>them I didn't watch it. So let's see you until

0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:10.240
<v Speaker 2>like that lawsuit is things seem towards stand Oh.

0:40:10.080 --> 0:40:13.360
<v Speaker 1>Wait, she she played your friend on the show exactly.

0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:16.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and she said she's no.

0:40:18.000 --> 0:40:21.239
<v Speaker 1>This is a real life story, sorry, real events. But

0:40:21.880 --> 0:40:25.120
<v Speaker 1>they put through every episode because I did pieces of

0:40:25.160 --> 0:40:30.600
<v Speaker 1>it like not based on real events, like semi fictional that.

0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:33.400
<v Speaker 2>Took liberty events. It's like it's up to the audience

0:40:33.440 --> 0:40:36.680
<v Speaker 2>to decide what was real and what was not. I

0:40:36.800 --> 0:40:41.439
<v Speaker 2>like that day, that's what the disclaimer was in front

0:40:41.480 --> 0:40:41.719
<v Speaker 2>of it.

0:40:42.000 --> 0:40:54.360
<v Speaker 1>Really yeah, okay, So Julian then turned to you and said,

0:40:54.680 --> 0:40:58.239
<v Speaker 1>what will you take from this experience? And you said so.

0:40:58.360 --> 0:41:01.920
<v Speaker 2>While you were talking, I thought like Toy was everything

0:41:02.080 --> 0:41:05.280
<v Speaker 2>that I don't know my team and like the production

0:41:05.400 --> 0:41:07.799
<v Speaker 2>team were expecting me to be and then wanting me

0:41:07.840 --> 0:41:12.040
<v Speaker 2>to smile and be vulnerable and just kind of like

0:41:12.360 --> 0:41:14.960
<v Speaker 2>I only had a couple of seconds to think about.

0:41:14.640 --> 0:41:16.480
<v Speaker 1>That, and I was like, wow, I talk a lot,

0:41:16.600 --> 0:41:19.359
<v Speaker 1>and I just went on my babble. Sorry I left

0:41:19.360 --> 0:41:20.480
<v Speaker 1>you with no.

0:41:20.880 --> 0:41:24.200
<v Speaker 2>No, no, not at all. But they just said it's like, well,

0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:26.239
<v Speaker 2>you will never win the show if you're like on

0:41:26.280 --> 0:41:28.640
<v Speaker 2>the defensive all the time, if you like have this

0:41:28.760 --> 0:41:32.120
<v Speaker 2>guard on, if you never smile, and if you make

0:41:32.280 --> 0:41:34.120
<v Speaker 2>people feel like you don't want to be on it,

0:41:34.160 --> 0:41:36.480
<v Speaker 2>and I felt like you were a complete opposite and

0:41:36.719 --> 0:41:42.839
<v Speaker 2>you felt like, I mean, people know you so much

0:41:42.880 --> 0:41:46.960
<v Speaker 2>better than me. I'm kind of like newer in comparison

0:41:47.040 --> 0:41:50.800
<v Speaker 2>to you, and you have like such a like a

0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:54.120
<v Speaker 2>longer extended story and you like you almost cry doing

0:41:54.160 --> 0:41:57.120
<v Speaker 2>this song and you related to it while with me.

0:41:57.239 --> 0:42:02.359
<v Speaker 2>For example, I got a roofed by Ice to be

0:42:02.480 --> 0:42:05.000
<v Speaker 2>on a show on Tuesday, and on Wednesday, while I

0:42:05.040 --> 0:42:07.960
<v Speaker 2>was in the car going to the airport, they were like, well,

0:42:08.000 --> 0:42:10.360
<v Speaker 2>we have to decide on all your songs right now,

0:42:10.440 --> 0:42:13.120
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, just I don't know, and like they

0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:15.440
<v Speaker 2>have such an easy way out of any song that

0:42:15.440 --> 0:42:18.560
<v Speaker 2>they don't like you to do by saying, oh, we

0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:22.919
<v Speaker 2>cannot like license it. So like I just sent them

0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:26.400
<v Speaker 2>like a playlist of like hundred songs that I thought

0:42:26.480 --> 0:42:29.480
<v Speaker 2>like kind of were relevant to me, and like they

0:42:29.560 --> 0:42:32.000
<v Speaker 2>picked something and I was like, whatever, ledge just do it.

0:42:32.040 --> 0:42:34.960
<v Speaker 2>Because I had so many things to take care of,

0:42:35.160 --> 0:42:37.480
<v Speaker 2>Like I had to deal with my parole, I had

0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:40.160
<v Speaker 2>to take care of Ice. Because it's like if these

0:42:40.200 --> 0:42:44.279
<v Speaker 2>people decide like I'm disrespecting them. If I had to

0:42:44.320 --> 0:42:48.200
<v Speaker 2>go to New Rochelle for half a day on Wednesday

0:42:48.280 --> 0:42:52.080
<v Speaker 2>to get like a travel pass for the show because

0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:55.560
<v Speaker 2>I live in cold Spring. In cold Spring belongs to

0:42:55.640 --> 0:42:58.040
<v Speaker 2>New Rochelle and it's like in the middle of nowhere.

0:42:58.040 --> 0:43:02.000
<v Speaker 2>It took me two hours to get there. I drove

0:43:03.280 --> 0:43:06.600
<v Speaker 2>Kelly Katron's like rain rover, which is a tank. I

0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:11.799
<v Speaker 2>missed the turn like five times because the navigation is

0:43:11.880 --> 0:43:15.680
<v Speaker 2>like so incomprehensible. It's in the middle of nowhere, and

0:43:15.680 --> 0:43:17.440
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I cannot call these people saying it's

0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:20.000
<v Speaker 2>like where is this office. It's like literally in the

0:43:20.000 --> 0:43:22.879
<v Speaker 2>middle of nowhere. I could not find it. Like I

0:43:22.920 --> 0:43:26.080
<v Speaker 2>almost started crying. I was like, I was supposed to

0:43:26.080 --> 0:43:28.840
<v Speaker 2>be there by ten. It's like ten thirty. Like I

0:43:28.920 --> 0:43:31.839
<v Speaker 2>keep missing the turn and I keep setting me back

0:43:31.880 --> 0:43:35.120
<v Speaker 2>by fifteen minutes and it was just a disaster. And

0:43:35.200 --> 0:43:38.719
<v Speaker 2>they were like, well, you don't have a signed contract.

0:43:38.760 --> 0:43:41.840
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I just cut the permission like fifteen

0:43:41.880 --> 0:43:45.040
<v Speaker 2>minutes ago from like the other people. And they were like, well,

0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:47.960
<v Speaker 2>we cannot give you permission because what if you go

0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:50.560
<v Speaker 2>there and they're going to like pay you ten dollars

0:43:50.560 --> 0:43:52.960
<v Speaker 2>for it. I was like, why is it your problem?

0:43:55.200 --> 0:43:57.520
<v Speaker 2>I me, it's like shouldn't it be my problem, Like

0:43:57.640 --> 0:44:00.239
<v Speaker 2>I choose to work for hoever, Like for whoever I

0:44:00.320 --> 0:44:04.279
<v Speaker 2>choose to work for Yeah, and yeah. So I spent

0:44:04.360 --> 0:44:08.120
<v Speaker 2>like half a day being there, and you can we

0:44:08.239 --> 0:44:11.839
<v Speaker 2>be on the phone when you're like an evading waiting room.

0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:14.919
<v Speaker 2>So I had to like go outside and like get

0:44:15.640 --> 0:44:19.160
<v Speaker 2>checked back in and they're like, what songs do you

0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:22.319
<v Speaker 2>want to do? Tell us right now? And I'm like

0:44:22.440 --> 0:44:25.359
<v Speaker 2>this whatever, just like leave me alone. I have like

0:44:26.120 --> 0:44:28.160
<v Speaker 2>real life things to do. And I was like, oh,

0:44:28.640 --> 0:44:31.640
<v Speaker 2>what does the song mean to you? I was like nothing,

0:44:34.280 --> 0:44:36.000
<v Speaker 2>it was just like the easiest way out.

0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:38.600
<v Speaker 1>So the song from Double Worst Product, Like was that

0:44:38.680 --> 0:44:40.000
<v Speaker 1>not your idea?

0:44:40.440 --> 0:44:43.080
<v Speaker 2>I mean I just it was like the most obvious choice.

0:44:43.120 --> 0:44:48.080
<v Speaker 2>I had five seconds to think about it, and like

0:44:48.120 --> 0:44:51.239
<v Speaker 2>I just don't have like a profound explanation for it,

0:44:51.520 --> 0:44:55.439
<v Speaker 2>just because of the circumstances I've been subjected to. And

0:44:56.000 --> 0:44:58.960
<v Speaker 2>I also had to do Fashion Week because I'm working

0:44:59.040 --> 0:45:02.360
<v Speaker 2>with Kelly, a good friend of mine, and I committed

0:45:02.400 --> 0:45:05.120
<v Speaker 2>to those projects and I couldn't just say it's like, well,

0:45:05.320 --> 0:45:07.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing Dancing with the Stars. I'm just like not

0:45:07.640 --> 0:45:10.280
<v Speaker 2>gonna like participate in this like I would.

0:45:10.120 --> 0:45:13.399
<v Speaker 1>Have been Yeah, considering like, yeah, you couldn't come back

0:45:13.440 --> 0:45:16.239
<v Speaker 1>to LA, so you and Ezra stayed in New York?

0:45:17.680 --> 0:45:19.920
<v Speaker 1>Was that hard? I mean, I don't even know they

0:45:19.960 --> 0:45:22.880
<v Speaker 1>have such their setup in La the dance studio. I

0:45:22.880 --> 0:45:23.920
<v Speaker 1>can't even imagine.

0:45:24.440 --> 0:45:27.600
<v Speaker 2>Well, they originally told me are we going to do

0:45:27.719 --> 0:45:31.200
<v Speaker 2>anything to accommodate you? And they flew Ezra out and

0:45:31.680 --> 0:45:34.759
<v Speaker 2>we were rehearsing in the studios in New York, and

0:45:35.600 --> 0:45:38.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean it was fine. It was like smaller cameras.

0:45:38.200 --> 0:45:43.520
<v Speaker 2>I guess last staff. I miss Simon. Hey, Simon, he's

0:45:43.560 --> 0:45:48.839
<v Speaker 2>still texting me camera the camera guy I came out, Yeah,

0:45:49.239 --> 0:45:55.439
<v Speaker 2>who was responsible for fing us in New York? And yeah, yeah,

0:45:55.480 --> 0:45:58.480
<v Speaker 2>So after after I've heard your speech, and I thought like,

0:45:58.680 --> 0:45:59.600
<v Speaker 2>oh my god.

0:45:59.400 --> 0:46:03.520
<v Speaker 1>Whatever, like, oh god, shut the fuck.

0:46:03.800 --> 0:46:06.360
<v Speaker 2>Not at all, because I thought like they want the

0:46:06.560 --> 0:46:10.759
<v Speaker 2>Tories everything that they were expecting or like wanting me to.

0:46:10.840 --> 0:46:14.760
<v Speaker 1>Be I'm gone you like yeah, And.

0:46:14.640 --> 0:46:16.920
<v Speaker 2>Then I was like, well all of this were just

0:46:17.000 --> 0:46:23.080
<v Speaker 2>senseless and Reginald one and like he's a great person

0:46:23.280 --> 0:46:27.080
<v Speaker 2>and he's like a cultural icon, but he's not a

0:46:27.080 --> 0:46:29.239
<v Speaker 2>good dancer. And I thought like I signed out for

0:46:29.280 --> 0:46:33.160
<v Speaker 2>a dancing competition and not like a popularity competition who

0:46:33.200 --> 0:46:36.960
<v Speaker 2>is like the most well liked person in Hollywood, Like, no,

0:46:37.120 --> 0:46:39.480
<v Speaker 2>thank you, same.

0:46:40.320 --> 0:46:44.040
<v Speaker 1>I guess yeah, Like if I thought I really couldn't move,

0:46:44.520 --> 0:46:45.239
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't have.

0:46:45.239 --> 0:46:50.040
<v Speaker 2>Said yes exactly. And I thought like, well if Toy lost,

0:46:50.280 --> 0:46:52.400
<v Speaker 2>and like I saw your performance and it was great,

0:46:52.480 --> 0:46:56.560
<v Speaker 2>and like, I know you enjoyed this, and I just

0:46:56.719 --> 0:46:59.680
<v Speaker 2>like thought, like you guys tried to like build me

0:46:59.760 --> 0:47:02.600
<v Speaker 2>up and say I should smile more and do like

0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:05.719
<v Speaker 2>x y Z and do this and that and like

0:47:05.960 --> 0:47:08.680
<v Speaker 2>just to eliminate me. And I felt like it was

0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:13.480
<v Speaker 2>an embarrassment to both of us to be eliminated before

0:47:14.760 --> 0:47:15.960
<v Speaker 2>every convegald.

0:47:16.520 --> 0:47:19.360
<v Speaker 1>Like, I don't know if I feel embarrassment. I'm bummed,

0:47:19.640 --> 0:47:32.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm mad, I'm competitive as a book, so I'm like pissed. Okay,

0:47:33.040 --> 0:47:36.879
<v Speaker 1>So I was babbling and I was like, oh my god,

0:47:36.920 --> 0:47:39.920
<v Speaker 1>this is the best experience ever. And then they came

0:47:39.960 --> 0:47:45.000
<v Speaker 1>to you and you're like, okay, shit, so you said nothing,

0:47:45.040 --> 0:47:46.640
<v Speaker 1>Wait so it's my fault.

0:47:47.280 --> 0:47:51.719
<v Speaker 2>No, not no, not at all, because I thought like,

0:47:51.840 --> 0:47:55.480
<v Speaker 2>well they were building me up. It's like, oh, well,

0:47:56.200 --> 0:47:58.719
<v Speaker 2>only if you smile more, only if you do like

0:47:58.920 --> 0:48:01.960
<v Speaker 2>x y Z. It's going to be so much better

0:48:02.040 --> 0:48:06.120
<v Speaker 2>for you. And it felt like they put so much

0:48:06.160 --> 0:48:09.319
<v Speaker 2>effort and trying to get me on a show and

0:48:09.400 --> 0:48:12.840
<v Speaker 2>like make me feel comfortable, just to like eliminate me

0:48:13.640 --> 0:48:19.600
<v Speaker 2>like this early. And I see it, yeah, like a

0:48:19.640 --> 0:48:23.880
<v Speaker 2>bit of an embarrassed, like like an attempt of an

0:48:23.920 --> 0:48:28.480
<v Speaker 2>embarrassment for us to get eliminated before Eric or Reginald

0:48:28.800 --> 0:48:32.719
<v Speaker 2>like in a dancing competition, even though in the end

0:48:32.760 --> 0:48:37.200
<v Speaker 2>it's not that big of a deal. And I think, well,

0:48:37.520 --> 0:48:40.359
<v Speaker 2>I know you've never committed any crime, so I'm like

0:48:40.440 --> 0:48:42.680
<v Speaker 2>talking just about myself, so you know.

0:48:45.160 --> 0:48:45.719
<v Speaker 1>Exactly.

0:48:47.880 --> 0:48:51.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it just felt a bit upsetting to me. For me,

0:48:51.600 --> 0:48:53.840
<v Speaker 2>it felt like a waste of time for me to

0:48:54.000 --> 0:48:56.880
<v Speaker 2>just like do all of this for them to like

0:48:57.000 --> 0:49:00.160
<v Speaker 2>just discard me so easily. I know the show was

0:49:00.239 --> 0:49:02.919
<v Speaker 2>very excited to have me on, but the latch part

0:49:02.960 --> 0:49:05.120
<v Speaker 2>of the audience, it's just like not the people who

0:49:05.160 --> 0:49:09.560
<v Speaker 2>would usually be excited about me in general, And it's

0:49:09.600 --> 0:49:13.200
<v Speaker 2>not someone who like necessarily watches life TV or like

0:49:13.360 --> 0:49:19.799
<v Speaker 2>votes yeah, text, so it was not that surprising. So, yeah,

0:49:20.640 --> 0:49:26.239
<v Speaker 2>it felt a little bit embarrassing to be voted off

0:49:26.320 --> 0:49:29.840
<v Speaker 2>before I understood some of the other people on the show.

0:49:29.960 --> 0:49:33.240
<v Speaker 2>But it is what it is and it's fine, and yeah,

0:49:33.560 --> 0:49:38.680
<v Speaker 2>I never had high expectations for my show for myself.

0:49:38.840 --> 0:49:42.560
<v Speaker 1>Right, I didn't think that in myself, Like I had

0:49:42.640 --> 0:49:45.439
<v Speaker 1>no expectations. And then once I got in it, though,

0:49:45.480 --> 0:49:47.439
<v Speaker 1>I got a little competitive because I was like, oh,

0:49:47.560 --> 0:49:49.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm starting to do this and I'm actually good at it.

0:49:50.440 --> 0:49:52.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean you had to know, like once you were

0:49:52.239 --> 0:49:55.360
<v Speaker 1>doing rehearsals, you were like, oh, wow, like a ballroom

0:49:55.480 --> 0:49:57.960
<v Speaker 1>dance because yeah, you have beautiful lines.

0:49:58.960 --> 0:50:02.840
<v Speaker 2>So you're like extremely flexible and uh, yeah you'll like show.

0:50:03.480 --> 0:50:04.239
<v Speaker 1>We looked good.

0:50:04.440 --> 0:50:08.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it seems like you're doing everything that they want

0:50:08.239 --> 0:50:12.720
<v Speaker 2>you to do, like you smile and uh.

0:50:11.640 --> 0:50:14.960
<v Speaker 1>You can never tell. But like my partner kept saying

0:50:15.000 --> 0:50:18.520
<v Speaker 1>to me, you just never know, yeah, like you just

0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:23.279
<v Speaker 1>can't predict what's going to happen. Yeah, and that's yeah,

0:50:24.360 --> 0:50:28.240
<v Speaker 1>Like I didn't think you'd go first. Well maybe maybe

0:50:28.239 --> 0:50:30.560
<v Speaker 1>I thought you go first. Like it could have gone

0:50:30.560 --> 0:50:31.240
<v Speaker 1>two ways.

0:50:31.440 --> 0:50:33.840
<v Speaker 2>I felt like, yeah, I would you go first. I

0:50:33.880 --> 0:50:36.759
<v Speaker 2>would like or either make it to the finale, like

0:50:36.800 --> 0:50:41.120
<v Speaker 2>it would like this is like what No, that way

0:50:42.080 --> 0:50:44.759
<v Speaker 2>it felt like that was a strategy because it's like

0:50:45.000 --> 0:50:49.319
<v Speaker 2>so it's very subjective. Who is really the judge of

0:50:51.080 --> 0:50:55.840
<v Speaker 2>Like the scores were like so scattered. Actually we should

0:50:55.880 --> 0:51:02.719
<v Speaker 2>like assemble a panel of the real ballroom pros, like

0:51:02.800 --> 0:51:04.040
<v Speaker 2>an independent party.

0:51:04.239 --> 0:51:09.840
<v Speaker 1>And I love her thinking you were so clever, so smart,

0:51:09.960 --> 0:51:10.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

0:51:10.800 --> 0:51:15.480
<v Speaker 2>And to judge everyone's dances someone who is like has

0:51:15.560 --> 0:51:18.920
<v Speaker 2>no interest in any of the any of the outcomes

0:51:19.160 --> 0:51:22.800
<v Speaker 2>in any of the competitors, and just like to estimate

0:51:22.920 --> 0:51:27.040
<v Speaker 2>without any backgrounds, any names, just like the pure technique.

0:51:27.920 --> 0:51:34.000
<v Speaker 2>And then combine you just created a new show. Yeah,

0:51:35.480 --> 0:51:41.919
<v Speaker 2>combined with the woodience boats, they should be the yeah

0:51:42.440 --> 0:51:50.560
<v Speaker 2>ballroom jurors exactly. This is okay, So because it feels

0:51:51.719 --> 0:51:55.359
<v Speaker 2>it feels reasonable for the amount of backlash I think

0:51:55.400 --> 0:51:59.640
<v Speaker 2>both of us are getting, Like why not. It just

0:51:59.680 --> 0:52:03.400
<v Speaker 2>seems like it seems like it's been mostly negative experience,

0:52:03.480 --> 0:52:07.560
<v Speaker 2>at least for me. Then I was a positive perspective.

0:52:07.719 --> 0:52:09.359
<v Speaker 1>But I guess it's hard for me because I got

0:52:09.360 --> 0:52:12.760
<v Speaker 1>to know you and I really like you, and it's different,

0:52:12.920 --> 0:52:17.160
<v Speaker 1>but like, okay, I'm taking myself out of it, uh,

0:52:17.520 --> 0:52:22.040
<v Speaker 1>and just watch you, Like I think you're a beautiful dancer,

0:52:23.600 --> 0:52:27.080
<v Speaker 1>and I wanted to see more of you because I know,

0:52:27.160 --> 0:52:30.800
<v Speaker 1>they made the comments about smiling, but then you did

0:52:30.880 --> 0:52:33.600
<v Speaker 1>bring that the second week, so like I wanted to

0:52:33.600 --> 0:52:37.560
<v Speaker 1>see you go on and get comfortable, and so it's

0:52:37.560 --> 0:52:40.400
<v Speaker 1>putting the difference between what was what you thought was

0:52:40.480 --> 0:52:44.400
<v Speaker 1>expected of you and who you are and seeing that evolution.

0:52:44.640 --> 0:52:46.880
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to see that, and Korea.

0:52:46.680 --> 0:52:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Was not my responsibility obviously, like yes, you know, so

0:52:50.000 --> 0:52:52.800
<v Speaker 2>I was just like following directions and with a second dance,

0:52:52.840 --> 0:52:57.839
<v Speaker 2>I thought like, technically, I've done like all of it correctly,

0:52:58.400 --> 0:53:01.960
<v Speaker 2>and this very little I could have done better, like

0:53:02.040 --> 0:53:05.680
<v Speaker 2>maybe yeah, the frame and like the head or like

0:53:05.719 --> 0:53:10.120
<v Speaker 2>maybe the smile, but everything else, I felt like I've

0:53:10.160 --> 0:53:12.759
<v Speaker 2>just performed it the way I've been told to. So

0:53:12.800 --> 0:53:14.759
<v Speaker 2>it's like, what else is it for me to do?

0:53:14.800 --> 0:53:18.040
<v Speaker 2>And this is what made me feel kind of discouraged.

0:53:18.080 --> 0:53:20.799
<v Speaker 2>And it's like, yeah, it's not like I messed up,

0:53:20.920 --> 0:53:24.040
<v Speaker 2>like I didn't show up. They're like, I don't know,

0:53:24.120 --> 0:53:25.480
<v Speaker 2>ten hours late.

0:53:25.440 --> 0:53:29.360
<v Speaker 1>Or technically everything right, yeah, but you're right at the

0:53:29.440 --> 0:53:30.439
<v Speaker 1>end of the day, it is.

0:53:31.920 --> 0:53:35.880
<v Speaker 2>So it just feels so unreasonable and U they love and.

0:53:36.160 --> 0:53:40.080
<v Speaker 1>They yeah, it's true. So in that moment when she

0:53:40.160 --> 0:53:42.799
<v Speaker 1>turned you and you said nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>Because that was the truth. I think, like, well, you

0:53:47.160 --> 0:53:50.680
<v Speaker 2>guys told me what I'm supposed to do. I tried

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<v Speaker 2>to do it, and then I still was rejected. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm taking away nothing. Is what I'm taking away from

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<v Speaker 2>it because your advice was worthless. The advice that you

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<v Speaker 2>gave me did not pay off for me, even though

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<v Speaker 2>I tried to follow it right. And this is how

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<v Speaker 2>I felt.

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<v Speaker 1>That's totally fair.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I know like people were trying to interpret

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<v Speaker 2>my answer like in a different ways, but now not really,

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<v Speaker 2>I really did not take away much from this experience other.

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<v Speaker 1>Than that you got to meet me exactly. It all

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<v Speaker 1>worked out.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I had to be on the defensive, especially

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<v Speaker 2>like after all the backlash that received being cast on

0:54:39.520 --> 0:54:42.759
<v Speaker 2>the show, even though the producers I think Conrad made

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<v Speaker 2>a great job just like trying to defend me, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think everyone on a cast was generally very nice

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<v Speaker 2>to me. But in the end, I don't know, so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not familiar with like in the workings of the show,

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<v Speaker 2>but like the fact that yeah, you and I were

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<v Speaker 2>eliminated before other members, it's just seems a little bit unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>All double elimination. I'm a good company. I'd rather Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm glad it's you and not anyone else.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so now you're leaving me. We just became friends.

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<v Speaker 1>Are going back to New York. Wait, what's next? What's

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<v Speaker 1>happening next for you?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? I love New York. You should come to New York.

0:55:30.960 --> 0:55:31.840
<v Speaker 2>Do you ever come?

0:55:32.680 --> 0:55:39.520
<v Speaker 1>Rarely? It's always work like I, oh yeah, remember like

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<v Speaker 1>we flew to New York for GMA. While you were there.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, you were in La. You flew back and

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<v Speaker 1>it was fashion Week and I had to go back

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<v Speaker 1>and do rehearsals, and you were like stay and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, oh my gosh, that would be amazing to

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<v Speaker 1>experience fashion week with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you are definitely going to be invited to the

0:55:59.200 --> 0:56:03.439
<v Speaker 2>next fashion Way weekend February. Oh okay, I stay with you,

0:56:03.960 --> 0:56:08.440
<v Speaker 2>of course. And we definitely need to do like a

0:56:08.560 --> 0:56:14.160
<v Speaker 2>dance off with all the celebrities or like the partner switch.

0:56:15.239 --> 0:56:15.960
<v Speaker 1>I would love that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure we're going to have like a million different networks.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be willing to.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you talk about your documentary?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's been exciting. They've been following me around

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<v Speaker 2>for almost two years now, and I'm excited for it

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<v Speaker 2>to come out.

0:56:31.640 --> 0:56:36.080
<v Speaker 1>I am too, because literally, like no one knows your side.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because I've been incarcerated for so long, and like people,

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<v Speaker 2>it was so easy for others to tell my story

0:56:42.320 --> 0:56:45.680
<v Speaker 2>now and my story has been told by other people,

0:56:45.880 --> 0:56:50.520
<v Speaker 2>and I'm excited to reclaim my narrative and show everyone

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<v Speaker 2>what kind of person I really am.

0:56:53.440 --> 0:56:57.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm excited for that because yeah, that I mean, I've

0:56:57.080 --> 0:57:01.080
<v Speaker 1>gotten to know you just knowing you, and I really

0:57:01.239 --> 0:57:03.680
<v Speaker 1>like the human I know. So I'm excited for the

0:57:03.719 --> 0:57:05.120
<v Speaker 1>world to see your side.

0:57:05.239 --> 0:57:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I'm excited if nothing else. I got to

0:57:08.040 --> 0:57:13.640
<v Speaker 2>meet Allly amazing people right yourself, and I like Alona

0:57:13.719 --> 0:57:16.000
<v Speaker 2>and Steven very sweet.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you still filming your documentary? Of course, yeah, no pressure.

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<v Speaker 1>But like.

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<v Speaker 2>The web in broad up round, the media is like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always on a defensive. I know everything is going

0:57:29.720 --> 0:57:32.760
<v Speaker 2>to be used but against me, like in a court setting,

0:57:32.800 --> 0:57:34.960
<v Speaker 2>and like at this point, I don't care if you

0:57:35.000 --> 0:57:38.720
<v Speaker 2>call me like ugly, stupid or fat or whatever, Like

0:57:38.800 --> 0:57:41.640
<v Speaker 2>I just care, like, oh, don't put me back in jail,

0:57:41.920 --> 0:57:44.120
<v Speaker 2>which is what happened to me. And this is how

0:57:44.120 --> 0:57:46.880
<v Speaker 2>I treat the media. And it's so much easier for

0:57:46.920 --> 0:57:49.400
<v Speaker 2>me to talk like to other people who I know,

0:57:50.360 --> 0:57:53.040
<v Speaker 2>like the I'm not going to like it must.

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<v Speaker 1>Just be like who who you can trust? You can't

0:57:55.400 --> 0:57:57.320
<v Speaker 1>you feel like you can't ever let your guard down.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, I'm I'm glad I got to know you

0:58:02.560 --> 0:58:07.400
<v Speaker 1>in this. I know the experience you feel like maybe

0:58:07.520 --> 0:58:10.520
<v Speaker 1>wasn't everything you had signed up for, But I'm really

0:58:10.560 --> 0:58:12.760
<v Speaker 1>glad that you and I got to meet because I

0:58:12.800 --> 0:58:17.240
<v Speaker 1>don't know if we ever would have and who knows exactly.

0:58:17.320 --> 0:58:19.520
<v Speaker 2>It was so wild and it's like what an honor.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that we're like the worst answers. We were

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<v Speaker 2>worse than Reginalds, and.

0:58:24.960 --> 0:58:32.000
<v Speaker 1>You're seeing it wrong just like particular like worse.

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<v Speaker 2>It's us, none of them are, and it's a dancing show.

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<v Speaker 2>It's our story. So that's something we have in common.

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<v Speaker 1>There were the worst answers. Great, Yeah, like I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have enough insecurity. That's my listener.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks,