1 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: Misspelling with Tory Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast. 2 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 2: Sorry thanks for having me on your podcast. 3 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, we're like together forever, Like this is 4 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: so wait, what are we? 5 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 2: You're like the biggest losers dancing with the strassas I 6 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 2: was seeing. 7 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, wait, so we were the first double elimination. 8 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: We were out. 9 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 2: They thought, like the blondes have the most fun and 10 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 2: they would just not get them out of here. Oh 11 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 2: my gosh. 12 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I honestly did not expect to go home the 13 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: first show. 14 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 2: I did not expect you to go home either, Like 15 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 2: nothing would surprise me, like in my situation because I'm 16 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 2: such a wild card. But I was trying and I 17 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 2: was like, oh, I kind of improved. At first, I 18 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: had concerns to be on the show because I thought, 19 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 2: like I was thinking what it was going to do 20 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 2: to like my image because obviously, like none of the 21 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: older audience can relate to me because of my past. 22 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 2: So I'm like everyone who's a fan of me, they're 23 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: like on the younger side, and it's not the kind 24 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 2: of people who like watch live TV necessarily or like 25 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 2: who know about Dancing with the Stars. 26 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: But they wanted a new audience the younger demo, so 27 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: they brought that in. 28 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think what made me think how wild 29 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 2: our elimination was because they wanted me to do all 30 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 2: the things that you were like you were, I know, 31 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 2: like it meant a lot to you, like you were 32 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 2: into this we pulls exactly. 33 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: It was unlikely besties. 34 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. It's like you you enjoyed the dancing, and 35 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 2: you're like, we're very vulnerable. Yeah. I think like you 36 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 2: almost cried during the second dance. Yeah. And I think 37 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: what I feel like when I'm being misunderstood is like 38 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: when I say something is not for me, it doesn't 39 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 2: mean like, oh I'm better than this, or like I'm 40 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 2: condescending or something. It's like it's just something it's not 41 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 2: for me, and it would be I think it's such 42 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 2: a like Mavnic interpretation of like my comment. Just because 43 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 2: I say something like being a present is not for me, 44 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: it's not because I'm condescending or I think I'm better 45 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 2: than something. I think I'm just being realistic and recognizing 46 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 2: what I'm good at and what i'm not good at. 47 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 2: It doesn't mean oh, just because I cannot dance, everybody 48 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 2: that dances it's like stupid and they say it like, yeah. 49 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: That's so interesting because I've been in this business for 50 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: so long and been media trained and just like you know, 51 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:49,519 Speaker 1: I grew up in the business on camera, and you're 52 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: always taught like don't say this, say this, and you know, 53 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: you lose sight of kind of like your filter, their filter, 54 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: and then you lose sight of what's real. So it's 55 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: so interesting to hear that because I feel like I've 56 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: been taught so much what not to say that it's 57 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: like it's hard to be yourself. Yeah, you know what 58 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: I mean, because you're always worried what others are gonna think. Yeah, 59 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: and you're the opposite. You're just saying what you think, 60 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: what you feel, and it's not how they're interpreting it 61 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: because they're like, no, it shouldn't be that way. 62 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 2: I think ideally, like you are supposed to figure out 63 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 2: what she're good at and like lean into that, and 64 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 2: it's better for like everyone's better for you, for the society. 65 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 2: Like I'm not like you're an actress and like I'm 66 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: not entertainer. I've never performed anything in front of live audience. 67 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: I thought, let me do it, let me try it. 68 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 2: Out it may or may not be for me, and 69 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 2: I found it hard and I have respect for people 70 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 2: who have the capacity to put themselves out out there 71 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 2: like this. But because I'm saying, oh, maybe that's not 72 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 2: for me, it doesn't mean like oh, and it's like 73 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 2: I thinks she's so much better than everyone else's interpretation. Yeah, 74 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: I think I'm just like doing everyone in favor. It's 75 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 2: sparing them from if I do watch me. 76 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: You're such a good answer. The thing that I was 77 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: so impressed with is that were you nervous? Like you 78 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: came out there and didn't look nervous, were you. 79 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 2: I think my thing is like I'm very so the 80 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 2: way I've been introduced into the public eye is like 81 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 2: through my criminal trial, and when you are in court, 82 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 2: it's obviously like a public courtroom, so anyone can come in. 83 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 2: They take pictures of you all day every day, like 84 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 2: about seven hours, and there's nothing you can do about it. 85 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 2: So I'm like used to always being on guard and 86 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 2: it doesn't benefit you to like cry or show any 87 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 2: emotion because it will always be interpreted like in some 88 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 2: way that's not beneficial to you. 89 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: Right, I mean, yeah, my story's totally different, but I've 90 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: been like in the public eye forever, all eyes on me. 91 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: You never know when someone's gonna stap a picture and 92 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: someone's listening to you, like in public. Like it's that 93 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: type of feeling, never being able to have privacy. But 94 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: I was like terrified to do this, Like yeah, the 95 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,799 Speaker 1: two shows, like both dances, I was like, really scared. 96 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: And I have huge eyes, so I feel like it's 97 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: really hard for me to hide it. And I was like, Okay, 98 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: you're an actress, pretend you're not scared. But it's terrified. 99 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: But I feel like, yeah, I mean, you performed great 100 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: in front of everyone. 101 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 2: My eyes look wild as well. It is because I 102 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: think that blue and like when you look at some 103 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 2: of the pictures, you might think like I'm one, Like 104 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 2: I don't know cocaine or add all or something. I 105 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 2: just like have this. It's very easy to me to 106 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 2: look crazy on camera, and like I'm being drug tested regularly, 107 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 2: so it's like I'm not a failed to Troy test. 108 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 2: So great. I look at some of my pictures and 109 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 2: it was like, what, how what do I look like? 110 00:05:54,440 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: So I have bug eyes? You have crazy eyes? Yeah? 111 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 2: I was nervous, thank you, And I think my focus 112 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 2: was like, oh, it's a dancing competition, so it's like 113 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 2: I have to perform like the steps because that's how 114 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 2: I've been trained. So it's like I was, yeah, born 115 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 2: in Russia. It's like we did ballet. It's like you 116 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 2: have to do the steps. Nobody wants to see you smile, 117 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 2: and I think really in ballet you don't smile. 118 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: Interesting in the ballroom, they're all about like smile, smile. 119 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: That was so hard for me. Yeah, I have never smiled, 120 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: Like I hate showing my teeth, which I have brand 121 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: new teeth now, so I have in ears. I can smile, 122 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: but it's like I'm trained in my head to like 123 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: hide my smile because I used to hate my teeth. 124 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 1: So Pasha would tell me, like smile, smile, and I 125 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: was like I can't. 126 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 2: But don't you find it jarring for like people to 127 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 2: demand women to smile in twenty twenty four. 128 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:56,239 Speaker 1: Point? 129 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's a different context. It's not like 130 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 2: the construction side. 131 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: I mean there are. 132 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: But still it has like the remnants of like the 133 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 2: kind of like the old patriarchal like border. Yeah, like 134 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 2: that's yeah, you can only be good and considered or 135 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 2: considered to be good. When you look pretty and smile 136 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 2: and you have like five pounds of extensions and three 137 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 2: pounds of makeup on you. 138 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: Why are you looking at me and saying. 139 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 2: I'm just kidding now, I mean I'm complicit. 140 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so interesting because ballroom dance is very old school. 141 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: It's interesting like Pasha's instinct for me, like he would 142 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: extend his hand when we were walking around set and 143 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: for me to take his hand and go forward, and 144 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, no, no, no, no, I like to follow wait, 145 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: which doesn't make sense, but I like, yeah, and. 146 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 2: You never know with the pros, it's like obviously they're 147 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 2: being trained about like how to treat you, and like 148 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 2: you never know what's sincere and what's just a job. 149 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 2: And that was kind of like my main issue with 150 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: being on the show, not my main issue, one of 151 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 2: the issues. But you like Estra I do. Yeah. Yeah, 152 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 2: he's a very sweet person. 153 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, And imagine like his first season, Yeah, and he 154 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: gets Hanna Delvy like he's probably like, oh my gosh, 155 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 1: it's a blessing and a curse at the same time. Right, Yeah, 156 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: I mean I. 157 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 2: Think it still ended up well for him, because yep, 158 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 2: it's like either scenario. He wins. If I do well, 159 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: he does well. If I do badly, it's my fault 160 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 2: because he's a new one and I'm so bad and 161 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: just negative. And it's just like the amount of negativity 162 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 2: that I've gotten, like all the comments. So it's like 163 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 2: when I post something on my profile, I think most 164 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: of them are positive, but it's like a collaboration post 165 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: or dancing with a starist or just like seeing something 166 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 2: on their profile. On others, it's just people universally feeling 167 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 2: for Ezra, feeling bad for Ezra, which is like, come on, 168 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 2: it's like it's his job. He's still getting paid for it. 169 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 2: I'm not like some abuser. I'm not dodging some of those. 170 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. I felt bad for Pasha like getting me yeah 171 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: at it. 172 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 2: I mean it's just like they sign up for the 173 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 2: job and they now like you are not gonna get 174 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:45,079 Speaker 2: I don't know. 175 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: Ezra loves you, I know. 176 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a sweet guy. 177 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such a good guy. I feel like it 178 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: was a good pairing. Yeah. I feel like all our 179 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: pairings were actually correct. Yeah, I think where did you laugh? 180 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 2: I think it would have been interesting if they had 181 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 2: like a Shuffle episode. 182 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, who would you want? 183 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 2: I don't know, just I don't really know much about 184 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 2: the show, I have to say so I only watched 185 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 2: season where Jojo was on it in twenty twenty one, 186 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 2: so and I feel. 187 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: I was very specific. 188 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 2: Because I was in jail, so gohead. I could not 189 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 2: really watch anything else. I would have been interesting to 190 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 2: like do like a partner switch or even like just 191 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 2: for a day for their training for. 192 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: The season, like who who would you want? 193 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 2: I would have. I would want to like try everyone nine, 194 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 2: try on everyone yeah, same girl's name, Like maybe it's 195 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 2: just you do a week where I think we're the 196 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 2: only whatever six couples left, and you all of them 197 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 2: try like a different partner. I don't know. Maybe it 198 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 2: would be fun like I think it would be, yeah, 199 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 2: and then you just like see whoever like works best. 200 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: Oh. 201 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 2: I also another thing, another idea I thought it would 202 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 2: be funny for them to do is to do celebrity 203 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 2: with celebrity. I would love to like do a dance 204 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 2: at Reginald yep because it seems like they try to pair, 205 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 2: like they tried to cast like fifty to fifty women 206 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 2: and men. So oh, it is like maybe not as 207 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 2: part of the main episode, but like maybe some like 208 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 2: kind of like a five minute special, like a little wow, 209 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 2: like what would happen with you? 210 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 1: And Alona? 211 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 2: I like her too. I'd have her flip me over 212 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 2: any day. 213 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: She flipped Alan over. Wow, that was like. 214 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 2: Wild, I'm lighter than Alan. I think that was crazy. 215 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: So you know it's ABC, Disney, Blas, Hulu the next day, 216 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: so you're PC and they do have a thing before 217 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: like make sure you guys were going live like don't 218 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,839 Speaker 1: no one say that upward, like don't so I curse 219 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: a lot wear like a trick drip and I yeah, 220 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: really had to reel it in with this experience. 221 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 2: So I'm producing. I produced couple of fashion show with 222 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 2: shows with Kelly Katron during the fashion week. And because 223 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 2: we represent like young designers, not all of them necessarily 224 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 2: have like the budget for like a great venue and 225 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 2: to produce a fashion show like costs like up to 226 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 2: two hundred thousand dollars, like including models and the staff. 227 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 2: So and some of them, I mean like they did 228 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 2: basically like a collaboration with Cornhub porn Hub Wow, who 229 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 2: like paid for part of the venue and and everyone 230 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 2: was super nice it was just like a cornhob. Yeah 231 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 2: to introduce me. Yeah, they have a very interesting podcast. 232 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 2: I did like a panel on the podcast them Terms 233 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 2: of Service, and they talk about free speech and like 234 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 2: censorship and yeah, and it's the one of the showrunners. 235 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: And as Akira, she was like, would you do only fans? 236 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 2: No? 237 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: Okay, should I do only fans? 238 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 2: It's af to you whatever you. 239 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: But no, no, no. As as my friend like just 240 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 1: got instinct, what would. 241 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 2: You say, I would say no. I think it kind 242 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 2: of like cheapens your brand, and like it's brand, it 243 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 2: makes it easier for people to dismiss you or like 244 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 2: discarge you as desperate. I like that, but I don't know, 245 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 2: I have not really. So my thing is, like I 246 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 2: have been banned from social media until like August of 247 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 2: this year, so I haven't been considering that. 248 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,119 Speaker 1: So you were off social media for help. 249 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 2: Twenty two months. I mean I was like in various 250 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 2: chairs in prison, so obviously, like I was able to post, 251 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 2: but like through my managers, what will they go to post? 252 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: Post? 253 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 2: Not much? And then the immigration judge just like decided 254 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 2: I don't deserve to post on Instagram, even though that 255 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 2: was against the first Amendment and it just took it like, yeah, 256 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 2: twenty two months to get for the system. And I 257 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 2: didn't argue with it at all, Like we didn't have 258 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 2: to put up the fight. And what do I get, 259 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 2: Like I could sue the government. It probably take me 260 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 2: twenty years and like five million dollars in legal fees, like, 261 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 2: but it is what it is. But I'm the bad one. 262 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 2: What's your favorite platform? 263 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: Instagram? I think, Yeah, I'm not tech savvy, like really bad. 264 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: It takes me forever to do that stuff, but I 265 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: do it. I have an AOL account. Is that gone before? 266 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: It still works? It works? 267 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have quite quite a history with Aol account. 268 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: Really wait, what do you mean? What? 269 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 2: No, whatever, just google it and yeah. Like my first 270 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 2: exposure to the media was like through like my legal 271 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 2: proceedings and it's like everyone's against you. Everything was used 272 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 2: against me, like my tweets. So I was sentenced to 273 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 2: what four to twelve years in prison, which my minimum 274 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 2: was no jail time. And apparently I was like on 275 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 2: them like a first time offender in that I repaid 276 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 2: my institution before even leaving prison from the Netflix proceeds. 277 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 2: But apparently I was like on the worst but I 278 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 2: guess the judge wanted to make an example out of 279 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 2: me because of the old media exposure I've gotten, which 280 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 2: was not really what like. It was not because I 281 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 2: was trying to sell myself because I was in jail 282 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 2: the whole time. It was like because of like one 283 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 2: media article the New York magazine. So my primary exposure 284 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 2: to like media was like I always had to be 285 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 2: on defensive. And when I got out of prison, so whoever, 286 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 2: like the people who picked me up, they handed me 287 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 2: my phone, like a fully functioning phone with all like Instagram, 288 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 2: all of my accounts on there, and I just like 289 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 2: did not get off of it for the next six weeks, and. 290 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: I had tons of change. 291 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 2: I had like so much fun tweeting and being on Instagram, 292 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 2: and it's like it's wild, even though I kind of 293 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 2: grew up on Instagram in a way. I mean, I 294 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 2: started using it when I was about twenty one, I think. 295 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 2: I mean, we had like this social media network called 296 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 2: like school or CEC, like in Germany they got it 297 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 2: got deleted like one bankrupt or something. But it was 298 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 2: like it's like Facebook, but only for school, like literally, 299 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 2: so it's basically you register it and you have to 300 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 2: like pick your school and your class, okay, and then 301 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 2: you have like a pin board and you have like 302 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 2: a chat so it's like no adults allowed. But like 303 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 2: I guess I went bankrupt. And this is when like 304 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 2: Facebook became really big. So thank god I don't have 305 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 2: like any fourteen old pictures of me out there. Wait 306 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 2: really yeah, so it got deleted, like nothing got saved. 307 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 2: I think I'm not sure what happened to them, Like wait, yeah, 308 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 2: I think they just they either sault to someone or 309 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 2: I don't know, wait they what like they salt to 310 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 2: like some bigger company, but I don't know, like they 311 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 2: just disabled everyone's accounts. I just was not like that 312 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 2: tech savvy of nineteen too. I want to dig. 313 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: I wish there weren't pictures that we had fourteen Oh wait, 314 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: so you gotta Okay. 315 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 2: So I got out of prison and then I just 316 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 2: started tweeting right away. 317 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: I think un a black bear, just curious. 318 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 2: I found it was twenty twenty one. 319 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: Oh my god, and I started saying it's. 320 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 2: Like, uh, well, the Manhattan DA's office said something like, well, 321 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 2: the masquerade is over. We convicted Anna Delvi. So I 322 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 2: we tweeted like the Da Vansa's tweet, who is like 323 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 2: the Manhattan chief prosecutor, the district attorney. I said, good job. 324 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 2: And then I said and I said, looking for a 325 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 2: seven hundred and fifty million dollar alone from my next 326 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 2: mon Fortress investments, Any takers? And I said, my rap 327 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 2: sheet long and than yellow digs can ever be. And 328 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 2: then the best common and that was like, well, like 329 00:18:53,040 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 2: a like a regular sheet is like obviously longer than 330 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 2: in the average size, so like it's they were all hits. 331 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 2: So it was really fun to you. I have to 332 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 2: listen to my own twits in like a court room 333 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 2: setting and a context of meeting denied bail. 334 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: You're a fucking genius. 335 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I had to pay the price. Definitely. 336 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 2: I think there should be like a comedic license that 337 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 2: should apply to me as well. But to us. 338 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 1: We take this on the road. Oh you can't wait, wait, 339 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: I can for like for work, you go with the 340 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 1: ankle bracelet. 341 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 2: So my current conditions, I'm allowed to travel within seventy 342 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 2: five miles of my approved residence and within seventy within 343 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 2: five boroughs of the New York City. 344 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: So and I'm a born raised in La what's a borough. 345 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 2: It's Manhattan, Bronx, Queens, Staten Island, Brooklyn. 346 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: Oh we do I sound really dumb not knowing that. 347 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Burrough's a donkey. What are you guys talking about? 348 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: Oh Burrow just an accent? What do you want me 349 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: to do? 350 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 2: I didn't understand I have four and you just say 351 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 2: I don't. 352 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: I'm blonde coming a break. 353 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 2: So anyway, don't worry about it. 354 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: I'm not. 355 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 2: I could barely understand whatever Anna was saying. 356 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: I would never wait. Can I talk about inventing Anna? Sure? 357 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 2: I have not watched it, so you know more about 358 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 2: it than I not much. 359 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 1: Okay, So my friend Morgan, who is here tonight, over there, 360 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: So I it was twenty twenty one. I had I 361 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 1: had my boobs readam and I had a hernia from 362 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: my five C sections. I don't know why I allowed this, 363 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: but I was like, I really only want one surgery. 364 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: And the doctor was like, oh, I'm a general surgeon, 365 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: so I've worked with hernia as before. I can do 366 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: that while you're under and also do your boobs. So 367 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: I said, okay, great, and then they put you up 368 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,239 Speaker 1: at like a hotel that's like a surgery center and 369 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 1: they have nurses there. Anyway, I went there and I 370 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: was there especially there Morgan like one day, I was like, 371 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: it's my son's birthday. I'm going to be I'm going 372 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: to get through this and check out in one day. Anyway, 373 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: I went there and I was in an extreme amount 374 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: of pain, and I was like, I think something's wrong. 375 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: But they didn't believe me. And they were like, oh. 376 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: The doctor's like, maybe you don't have a high pain tolerance. 377 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: It's like you don't understand what I've been through. I've 378 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: had five babies, Like I have a high pain tolerance. 379 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: I get like everything. I have a high paint And 380 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 1: he was like, oh, well, this is weird that you're 381 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: in this much pain. Anyway, Morgan's like, take your mind 382 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 1: off of it, distract yourself. You should watch Inventing Anna 383 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: Yes literally her words. And I was like, Okay, did 384 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: it work? I don't remember it because I literally was 385 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 1: in so much pain on so many medications, pills, and 386 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: then ambient to sleep at this hotel whatever that I was, well, 387 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: I was like mid into it. I think I was 388 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: like on episode seven. So I pulled an all nighter 389 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: on my medication and pain, and then I called Morgan 390 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: in the morning. I'm like, I, something's wrong. You have 391 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: to take me to the hospital, and so she picked 392 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: me up, so I didn't finish inventing Anna. She shook 393 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: me to the hospital and literally where they had repaired 394 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: the hernia, it exploded and I was in cedars for 395 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: six weeks. 396 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry. I mean blame Shonda. I didn't know 397 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 2: it was that bad. 398 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: And everyone I know loved it. And you should you 399 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: from that because I didn't even recall. But I have 400 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: PTSD because my floaded while I was trying to watch 401 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: that show. 402 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 2: You should join Rachel Williams in he a lawsuit. I 403 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 2: can't s Netflix, but. 404 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: I did, like, I did try to go online because 405 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't want the like faux version 406 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: of you and like and obviously. 407 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:45,239 Speaker 2: I'd say inventing and I made my insights explode. My 408 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 2: second makes them look stupid because you never see me 409 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 2: suing anyone. I could be suing like people like Deformation, 410 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 2: this and that. Like you never see me suing anyone. 411 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 2: I think people who are suing other people are the 412 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,719 Speaker 2: ones who are like the losers and the ones who 413 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 2: are better. I have not sued anyone people are suing 414 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 2: me and they don't lose all the time. Yeah, I 415 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 2: have not have I don't have a single lawsuit against 416 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 2: anyone with me as a plane. Yeah, it's just, yeah, 417 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 2: your time is better used to like working to something 418 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 2: productive and creating and not like trying to exploit other 419 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 2: people for I Like, it's like a little thread here 420 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 2: and there. It's like a little spice. 421 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: Are you on cameo? 422 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 2: No? 423 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: Do you want to be? 424 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 2: I refuse to be? 425 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: Why. 426 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 2: I think it's time. 427 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: I don't. I always forget, but why I don't know. 428 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 2: It's like kind of cheapens your brand too. Like I've 429 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 2: been offered to be in cameo. It's like, oh, I'll 430 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 2: say anything if you pay me. I've been approached by 431 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 2: Kimyos so many times. I just don't think, Like I'm 432 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 2: not an actress, and I don't know, Like I just 433 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 2: I don't know. I would. It feels so dirty doing that. 434 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, like sending a fan of video. 435 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 2: I think. I guess that's not the main problem. I 436 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 2: guess the how it's being portrayed in the media, Like 437 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 2: it would not do me any favor yet right now, Yeah, 438 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 2: I don't think anything like there's anything bad with it. 439 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 2: I think it's like super cute and sweet. I know 440 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 2: a ton of people who do it, and it's like 441 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 2: it helps a lot of them. But like in combination 442 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 2: with me, that will just like say Anna as like 443 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 2: a scammer, opportunist, and like it's just not it's going 444 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 2: to feed into what I want to be removed from. 445 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 2: So it's like a cheap and lazy, easy way to 446 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 2: make money and I'm trying to stay away from that. Yeah, 447 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 2: I'm failing obviously. But Toris is such like a legend 448 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 2: and she has so much Like she has so much time, 449 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 2: be like she put in the work while I'm being 450 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 2: seen as like I'm like somewhat young, that young, but 451 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 2: I'm being seen as like like a one hit wonder 452 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 2: or whatever. 453 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: You're around, it would have been would have been done. 454 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's like you managed to stay relevant for 455 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 2: all those years in one way or another. 456 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: It's like the reverse. We're like the reverse, Like the 457 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: way we each came into this situation of like media. 458 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and like it's our attitudes towards the show there 459 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 2: was so different different yeah, and that's why I like, 460 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 2: what could I have done better? Because they were like, Oh, 461 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 2: you have to smile more, and you have to be 462 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 2: more emotional, you have to like put so much into 463 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 2: It's like, well Tori has done yeah, and I mean 464 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 2: the show, it's like it's more your. 465 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: Audience apparently not. 466 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently. I was so surprised. It's like I would 467 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 2: have like, you would have been the last person that 468 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 2: would have been evicted. 469 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: Did you see evicted? 470 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 2: Evicted, eliminated. 471 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: All places? 472 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm boring, don't mind. 473 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: Eliminated. Yeah, It's it's so. 474 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 2: Weird because now this makes me think it's like if 475 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 2: I like we're crying doing my dance, which is like 476 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 2: not my personality at all, Like that would not have 477 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 2: made anything different because like it feels like they just 478 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 2: decided to like hate us. 479 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: So like who the people at home voting? 480 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 2: So I'm not sure how the show works. I know 481 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 2: nothing about the show. Unfortunately, I probably should have researched 482 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 2: it more before I went. 483 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: I don't know, I didn't know how voting worked. I 484 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: knew like when I used to watch the show, you 485 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: could call or text. Yeah, I used to watch the show, 486 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:16,479 Speaker 1: but I never called her. 487 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's such a weird thing to do. It's 488 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 2: like unless you, like, unless it's a friend like I'm 489 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 2: texting with regularly, it's like, oh, text and like vote 490 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 2: for me, Like why would you do that? So's like 491 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,360 Speaker 2: a weird thing to do, like unless you. 492 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 1: Have for us apparently, so yeah. 493 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 2: Unless you have like a fan mentality, it's just like 494 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 2: not the mindset of the people of like I don't know, 495 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 2: my audience is not this right, they're not. 496 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like your audience are like my kids and 497 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: they're not. Yeah, they would have no idea how to 498 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: like text and not not no idea, but like it's not. 499 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 2: They don't even know what the show is on. They 500 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 2: don't and like nobody watches life to be it's like 501 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 2: all stream I know. Yeah, So I think it's like 502 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 2: it's actually they followed because they're so outdated, and I 503 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 2: think if the goal was to stay relevant. 504 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, just stay relevant and like what would it be 505 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: to they can make that transition because I feel like 506 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: they're trying to. They haven't completely done it, but I. 507 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 2: Think it's if you have a collaboration with Disney Plus 508 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 2: and like all the streamers, it's like so many of 509 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 2: my friends that is like, well I knew you were 510 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 2: going to be lost, especially during their premiere. So just 511 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 2: like I watched it on Disney Plus. I like, I 512 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 2: don't blame people. It's like two hours of your time. 513 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 2: It's a lot of time to like dedicate, and not 514 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 2: everyone has that. And even I'm like, I don't have family, 515 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 2: I don't have kids, and it's like even I am 516 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 2: busy and I'm like when I was complaining about my 517 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,479 Speaker 2: schedule dancing with the Stuss, like I was like, I 518 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 2: cannot be the only one because yeah, I was like 519 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 2: I was thinking about all the people with the kids, 520 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 2: and like kids have all kinds of issues, and it's 521 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:03,239 Speaker 2: like I cannot be them most problematic person here. And 522 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 2: I don't know, and it's so much easier to like 523 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 2: go yeah on Disney Plus and stream the episode and 524 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 2: like watch the person you care about. I don't know, 525 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:15,479 Speaker 2: they just need to update it. 526 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: But it's like breaking into two nights. Maybe I don't know. 527 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, or just I don't know. I think like the 528 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 2: voting doing the Life whatever broadcast, it's just like, so. 529 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: I would it be then how do we get votes? 530 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 2: Just like Instagram and TikTok and Twitter, and I don't know, 531 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 2: there must be some solution, Yeah, because it's so easy 532 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 2: to listen to you for next season if you offer solutions. 533 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't care. 534 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: It's not my. 535 00:30:54,600 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 2: It's not my problem. But I think it's just like 536 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 2: the show, it's cute to be in disadvantage for like 537 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 2: younger audience. Like even Chandler. She's an amazing dancer. I 538 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 2: think she's like a beautiful girl, and she dances so well. 539 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 2: She has I think, like I don't know like half 540 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 2: of my following, and it's true, and it's probably I 541 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 2: think she's like ten years younger than me or something 542 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 2: like which one of the kids are watching ABC. Dancing 543 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 2: with This Star is live and like voting, it's kind 544 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 2: of like a bizarre thing. 545 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: My friend thinks it's all young people. Like all of 546 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: my followers and fans didn't understand that they had to 547 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: vote at five o'clock and do a blind vote even 548 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: though it's airing at eight and they won't see it 549 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: till then. 550 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 2: I think there's just like nothing comparable. I think now 551 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 2: if you have like verified social media accounts that could 552 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 2: like count. I'm kind of fit, Like I'm not like 553 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 2: three hundred pounds and I'm like a decent dancer. I'm 554 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 2: not like the best, but like I don't think I've 555 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 2: done the worst job on the show. 556 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: A really good dancer, a beautiful dancer. 557 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. This is like the way I 558 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,479 Speaker 2: see it. It's like I don't think, I think. I like, 559 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 2: I'm obviously not a pro. I've done like my best. 560 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 2: I'm somewhat fit. I think I improved kind of doing 561 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 2: the like the second dance and the choreography was not 562 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 2: really challenging, but it's not my responsibility. And I just 563 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 2: don't know what I could have done better because I think, 564 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 2: like I just think, yeah, I could have done like 565 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 2: any technical mistakes technical like sorry, my form both your yeah, yeah, 566 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 2: my farm could have been like a bit better. 567 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: Like your frame in my friend that I thought it 568 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: was amazing, like watching you and I had no expectations. 569 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: I had no idea. I know you had mentioned that 570 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: you had done ballet, but like I I watched you 571 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: before for the first time, I was like, oh my god, 572 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: she's a beautiful dancer. 573 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 2: Thank you, and like you're as well. You're extremely flexible, 574 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 2: like you you have split is better than mine. 575 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: You do a split too. 576 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 2: I did split an espresso. 577 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: Did you m m. 578 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 2: But whatever, you didn't watch. 579 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: Wait no you know what? No, No, no, I didn't. 580 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 2: Yes, it is much better than mine, but it's like 581 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 2: it takes practice. You have split is much better than mine. 582 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: Your first show when you went, because there was some 583 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: reason you were, you came in last, right. 584 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 2: Well, they told me it was like an honor. 585 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: To close the show. Yeah, I mean it is. They, 586 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: in my opinion, probably put you last because it was 587 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: a big wow factor, like too somewhere in the middle, 588 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: Like like I was in the middle. I was like, oh, 589 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: I loves boring TV. As like a producer in my mind, 590 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,719 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, you want like the ones that are 591 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: going to like draw big, like it's going to be 592 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: first or last and you close the show. Yeah, yeah, 593 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: you always want to close the show. I mean you're 594 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: the biggest tad. 595 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,359 Speaker 2: Obviously I was not not for too long. 596 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: I mean, you're a great dancer and this isn't even 597 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: your thing, so like to come. 598 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I was decent. I'm not like one 599 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 2: of the greatest dancers to world has ever seen. 600 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: Who is on that show except for well Chandler, Like. 601 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 2: Chandler is good. 602 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:36,760 Speaker 1: I think it's great. 603 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 2: She's pretty, and she's like an actress. She has like 604 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 2: all the attributes that make her but like, I don't know, 605 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 2: I don't know how many votes would she get because 606 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,439 Speaker 2: how we don't know. Yeah, because she's younger. Yeah, she's 607 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 2: like a decade younger than I am. 608 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: And you feel like her audience isn't watching dancing. 609 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I mean, obviously she's still on the show. 610 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 2: She's better than that, but it would not be fair 611 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 2: to her if my understanding is like younger people don't 612 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 2: really watch Life to be like, because who has Basic Cable? 613 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 2: Because that's what the show is on. Like most of 614 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,720 Speaker 2: the people they have like Netflix and like the subscriptions, 615 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 2: So thats just like always like the exposure and they 616 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,799 Speaker 2: will obviously watch the clips and like YouTube videos, but 617 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,879 Speaker 2: not like what matters if the votes during the live 618 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 2: show really matter, which no one can tell because if 619 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 2: I'll ever release the data, that's just unfair, Like I 620 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 2: don't have. 621 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,240 Speaker 1: Basic cable audit them. 622 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, let's combine the forces with pretty little Bill. 623 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 1: Well, how about I'll pay you back? 624 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 2: Okay, let's do it. We'll combine like your audience and 625 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,320 Speaker 2: my audience will. 626 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, wait, so the time we sput on 627 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 1: the show election Fraud, I said that the other day. 628 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 2: I was like, I mean, I don't I'm not having 629 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,320 Speaker 2: like a really hard time believing like no one voted 630 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 2: for me, because same, my my audience is like gen 631 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 2: z oh Young Millani, and you're having a hard time 632 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 2: believing or not not like really, oh, I'm having a 633 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 2: really hard time vote for me. I mean you're like 634 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 2: such a like you have such a track record and 635 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 2: you're like very Hollywood like a lay as your city. 636 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 2: I'm like, you are. 637 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: In my audience. Yeah, in your audience exactly. Yeah. They 638 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 1: would have texted. 639 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 2: This is what I like kind of reinforced me in 640 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,719 Speaker 2: my opinion, because you are exactly what they wanted me 641 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 2: to be, like vulnerable and you're emotional and you like 642 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 2: really wanted to be on it, and it's all good things. 643 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 1: Just like so we were eliminated and they were They 644 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,359 Speaker 1: came to me for and asked about the experience, and 645 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 1: I was just so in my I was just like 646 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: in another world, like it was all like happening so fast, 647 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 1: and I didn't even know what Julianne asked you because 648 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: I was just turned to Pasha and I was like still, like, 649 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm so sorry, Like shit, I got 650 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: you eliminated. I don't know what I was thinking, And 651 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 1: I didn't see it till like Instagram the next day 652 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: that she said, we're. 653 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe that because you're like you so in 654 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 2: your own moment and uh, but do I have to 655 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 2: say I'm glad it was you who gotta limit with 656 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 2: me and the Reginald because it would have been so 657 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,400 Speaker 2: much more sadder for me. It would like put me 658 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 2: on the same dancing skill level as you, Like. 659 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 1: You'd be sadder if it was him and not because 660 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 1: it was me. 661 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 2: No, no, yeah, because it would like, yeah, that would 662 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 2: like compare my dancing skills to genes if we both 663 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:07,320 Speaker 2: were elevated. So at least you are a fairly decent dancer. 664 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 2: Like we're not pros. I mean I'm not. I don't 665 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 2: see myself as a pro by any means this. Yeah, 666 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:18,960 Speaker 2: we're adequate, we're adequate, I think. Yeah, So I see 667 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 2: I was els like on an adequate net level and 668 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,360 Speaker 2: we got eliminated and people who were I think below 669 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,839 Speaker 2: us got to stay on the show and makes it 670 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 2: like a bit sus for a show that's called dancing 671 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 2: with the stars, and not like gossiping with the stars 672 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 2: or frock yeah the stars, or yeah, making friends with 673 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 2: the stars. Yeah, dancing with the pros. None of this. 674 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,839 Speaker 2: So it's a bit suspicious, but it is what it is. 675 00:38:59,080 --> 00:38:59,800 Speaker 1: This is true. 676 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,400 Speaker 2: But fraternizing with the stars, Yeah. 677 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: No, fraternizing that a good one. That's a good one. 678 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 2: So I'm glad you're my partner in this elimination. It 679 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 2: could have been Forest Tory, admit it. Well, I would 680 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 2: you have Eric over me? No, because I, like I. 681 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: Said, like, all I knew about you coming into this 682 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 1: was inventing Anna, and obviously I've told you the story. 683 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: So everyone loved that show on Netflix. I didn't get 684 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,720 Speaker 1: through it because I had exploding. It was pretty testing. 685 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:43,720 Speaker 1: So yeah, so I came into this just like getting 686 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 1: to know you, and I really liked you and we connected. 687 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 2: And I didn't watch that show either, So that makes 688 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 2: two of us so perfect. Should we watch it maybe someday? 689 00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:57,839 Speaker 1: Yeah? 690 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:03,479 Speaker 2: Well, I'm getting Subpeanut by Rachel Williams and I'm telling 691 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 2: them I didn't watch it. So let's see you until 692 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:10,240 Speaker 2: like that lawsuit is things seem towards stand Oh. 693 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,360 Speaker 1: Wait, she she played your friend on the show exactly. 694 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and she said she's no. 695 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 1: This is a real life story, sorry, real events. But 696 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 1: they put through every episode because I did pieces of 697 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 1: it like not based on real events, like semi fictional that. 698 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,400 Speaker 2: Took liberty events. It's like it's up to the audience 699 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 2: to decide what was real and what was not. I 700 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:41,439 Speaker 2: like that day, that's what the disclaimer was in front 701 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:41,719 Speaker 2: of it. 702 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:54,360 Speaker 1: Really yeah, okay, So Julian then turned to you and said, 703 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,239 Speaker 1: what will you take from this experience? And you said so. 704 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,920 Speaker 2: While you were talking, I thought like Toy was everything 705 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,280 Speaker 2: that I don't know my team and like the production 706 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,799 Speaker 2: team were expecting me to be and then wanting me 707 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 2: to smile and be vulnerable and just kind of like 708 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 2: I only had a couple of seconds to think about. 709 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 1: That, and I was like, wow, I talk a lot, 710 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,359 Speaker 1: and I just went on my babble. Sorry I left 711 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:20,480 Speaker 1: you with no. 712 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 2: No, no, not at all. But they just said it's like, well, 713 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,239 Speaker 2: you will never win the show if you're like on 714 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,640 Speaker 2: the defensive all the time, if you like have this 715 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 2: guard on, if you never smile, and if you make 716 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,120 Speaker 2: people feel like you don't want to be on it, 717 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 2: and I felt like you were a complete opposite and 718 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:42,839 Speaker 2: you felt like, I mean, people know you so much 719 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 2: better than me. I'm kind of like newer in comparison 720 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,800 Speaker 2: to you, and you have like such a like a 721 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 2: longer extended story and you like you almost cry doing 722 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,120 Speaker 2: this song and you related to it while with me. 723 00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:02,359 Speaker 2: For example, I got a roofed by Ice to be 724 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 2: on a show on Tuesday, and on Wednesday, while I 725 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,960 Speaker 2: was in the car going to the airport, they were like, well, 726 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,360 Speaker 2: we have to decide on all your songs right now, 727 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 2: and I'm like, just I don't know, and like they 728 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,440 Speaker 2: have such an easy way out of any song that 729 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,560 Speaker 2: they don't like you to do by saying, oh, we 730 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,919 Speaker 2: cannot like license it. So like I just sent them 731 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,400 Speaker 2: like a playlist of like hundred songs that I thought 732 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,480 Speaker 2: like kind of were relevant to me, and like they 733 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 2: picked something and I was like, whatever, ledge just do it. 734 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,960 Speaker 2: Because I had so many things to take care of, 735 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,480 Speaker 2: Like I had to deal with my parole, I had 736 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,160 Speaker 2: to take care of Ice. Because it's like if these 737 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:44,279 Speaker 2: people decide like I'm disrespecting them. If I had to 738 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,200 Speaker 2: go to New Rochelle for half a day on Wednesday 739 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 2: to get like a travel pass for the show because 740 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,560 Speaker 2: I live in cold Spring. In cold Spring belongs to 741 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 2: New Rochelle and it's like in the middle of nowhere. 742 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:02,000 Speaker 2: It took me two hours to get there. I drove 743 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,600 Speaker 2: Kelly Katron's like rain rover, which is a tank. I 744 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:11,799 Speaker 2: missed the turn like five times because the navigation is 745 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 2: like so incomprehensible. It's in the middle of nowhere, and 746 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,440 Speaker 2: I was like, I cannot call these people saying it's 747 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,000 Speaker 2: like where is this office. It's like literally in the 748 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,879 Speaker 2: middle of nowhere. I could not find it. Like I 749 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 2: almost started crying. I was like, I was supposed to 750 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,840 Speaker 2: be there by ten. It's like ten thirty. Like I 751 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,839 Speaker 2: keep missing the turn and I keep setting me back 752 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,120 Speaker 2: by fifteen minutes and it was just a disaster. And 753 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,719 Speaker 2: they were like, well, you don't have a signed contract. 754 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,840 Speaker 2: I was like, I just cut the permission like fifteen 755 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 2: minutes ago from like the other people. And they were like, well, 756 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,960 Speaker 2: we cannot give you permission because what if you go 757 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,560 Speaker 2: there and they're going to like pay you ten dollars 758 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,960 Speaker 2: for it. I was like, why is it your problem? 759 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,520 Speaker 2: I me, it's like shouldn't it be my problem, Like 760 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 2: I choose to work for hoever, Like for whoever I 761 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,279 Speaker 2: choose to work for Yeah, and yeah. So I spent 762 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:08,120 Speaker 2: like half a day being there, and you can we 763 00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,839 Speaker 2: be on the phone when you're like an evading waiting room. 764 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,919 Speaker 2: So I had to like go outside and like get 765 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,160 Speaker 2: checked back in and they're like, what songs do you 766 00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,319 Speaker 2: want to do? Tell us right now? And I'm like 767 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,359 Speaker 2: this whatever, just like leave me alone. I have like 768 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,160 Speaker 2: real life things to do. And I was like, oh, 769 00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,640 Speaker 2: what does the song mean to you? I was like nothing, 770 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,000 Speaker 2: it was just like the easiest way out. 771 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,600 Speaker 1: So the song from Double Worst Product, Like was that 772 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,000 Speaker 1: not your idea? 773 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,080 Speaker 2: I mean I just it was like the most obvious choice. 774 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:48,080 Speaker 2: I had five seconds to think about it, and like 775 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,239 Speaker 2: I just don't have like a profound explanation for it, 776 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,439 Speaker 2: just because of the circumstances I've been subjected to. And 777 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,960 Speaker 2: I also had to do Fashion Week because I'm working 778 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,360 Speaker 2: with Kelly, a good friend of mine, and I committed 779 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,120 Speaker 2: to those projects and I couldn't just say it's like, well, 780 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 2: I'm doing Dancing with the Stars. I'm just like not 781 00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,280 Speaker 2: gonna like participate in this like I would. 782 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,399 Speaker 1: Have been Yeah, considering like, yeah, you couldn't come back 783 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,239 Speaker 1: to LA, so you and Ezra stayed in New York? 784 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,920 Speaker 1: Was that hard? I mean, I don't even know they 785 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,880 Speaker 1: have such their setup in La the dance studio. I 786 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:23,920 Speaker 1: can't even imagine. 787 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,600 Speaker 2: Well, they originally told me are we going to do 788 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,200 Speaker 2: anything to accommodate you? And they flew Ezra out and 789 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,759 Speaker 2: we were rehearsing in the studios in New York, and 790 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,160 Speaker 2: I mean it was fine. It was like smaller cameras. 791 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:43,520 Speaker 2: I guess last staff. I miss Simon. Hey, Simon, he's 792 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:48,839 Speaker 2: still texting me camera the camera guy I came out, Yeah, 793 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:55,439 Speaker 2: who was responsible for fing us in New York? And yeah, yeah, 794 00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,480 Speaker 2: So after after I've heard your speech, and I thought like, 795 00:45:58,680 --> 00:45:59,600 Speaker 2: oh my god. 796 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,520 Speaker 1: Whatever, like, oh god, shut the fuck. 797 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,360 Speaker 2: Not at all, because I thought like they want the 798 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:10,759 Speaker 2: Tories everything that they were expecting or like wanting me to. 799 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,760 Speaker 1: Be I'm gone you like yeah, And. 800 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,920 Speaker 2: Then I was like, well all of this were just 801 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:23,080 Speaker 2: senseless and Reginald one and like he's a great person 802 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:27,080 Speaker 2: and he's like a cultural icon, but he's not a 803 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,239 Speaker 2: good dancer. And I thought like I signed out for 804 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:33,160 Speaker 2: a dancing competition and not like a popularity competition who 805 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,960 Speaker 2: is like the most well liked person in Hollywood, Like, no, 806 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,480 Speaker 2: thank you, same. 807 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:44,040 Speaker 1: I guess yeah, Like if I thought I really couldn't move, 808 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:45,239 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have. 809 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:50,040 Speaker 2: Said yes exactly. And I thought like, well if Toy lost, 810 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,400 Speaker 2: and like I saw your performance and it was great, 811 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:56,560 Speaker 2: and like, I know you enjoyed this, and I just 812 00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,680 Speaker 2: like thought, like you guys tried to like build me 813 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,600 Speaker 2: up and say I should smile more and do like 814 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,719 Speaker 2: x y Z and do this and that and like 815 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,680 Speaker 2: just to eliminate me. And I felt like it was 816 00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:13,480 Speaker 2: an embarrassment to both of us to be eliminated before 817 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:15,960 Speaker 2: every convegald. 818 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,360 Speaker 1: Like, I don't know if I feel embarrassment. I'm bummed, 819 00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:32,880 Speaker 1: I'm mad, I'm competitive as a book, so I'm like pissed. Okay, 820 00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,879 Speaker 1: So I was babbling and I was like, oh my god, 821 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,920 Speaker 1: this is the best experience ever. And then they came 822 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:45,000 Speaker 1: to you and you're like, okay, shit, so you said nothing, 823 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:46,640 Speaker 1: Wait so it's my fault. 824 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,719 Speaker 2: No, not no, not at all, because I thought like, 825 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,480 Speaker 2: well they were building me up. It's like, oh, well, 826 00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,719 Speaker 2: only if you smile more, only if you do like 827 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,960 Speaker 2: x y Z. It's going to be so much better 828 00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:06,120 Speaker 2: for you. And it felt like they put so much 829 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,319 Speaker 2: effort and trying to get me on a show and 830 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,840 Speaker 2: like make me feel comfortable, just to like eliminate me 831 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:19,600 Speaker 2: like this early. And I see it, yeah, like a 832 00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,880 Speaker 2: bit of an embarrassed, like like an attempt of an 833 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:28,480 Speaker 2: embarrassment for us to get eliminated before Eric or Reginald 834 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,719 Speaker 2: like in a dancing competition, even though in the end 835 00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:37,200 Speaker 2: it's not that big of a deal. And I think, well, 836 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,359 Speaker 2: I know you've never committed any crime, so I'm like 837 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,680 Speaker 2: talking just about myself, so you know. 838 00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:45,719 Speaker 1: Exactly. 839 00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it just felt a bit upsetting to me. For me, 840 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,840 Speaker 2: it felt like a waste of time for me to 841 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,880 Speaker 2: just like do all of this for them to like 842 00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,160 Speaker 2: just discard me so easily. I know the show was 843 00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,919 Speaker 2: very excited to have me on, but the latch part 844 00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,120 Speaker 2: of the audience, it's just like not the people who 845 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:09,560 Speaker 2: would usually be excited about me in general, And it's 846 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,200 Speaker 2: not someone who like necessarily watches life TV or like 847 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:19,799 Speaker 2: votes yeah, text, so it was not that surprising. So, yeah, 848 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:26,239 Speaker 2: it felt a little bit embarrassing to be voted off 849 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,840 Speaker 2: before I understood some of the other people on the show. 850 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,240 Speaker 2: But it is what it is and it's fine, and yeah, 851 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:38,680 Speaker 2: I never had high expectations for my show for myself. 852 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,560 Speaker 1: Right, I didn't think that in myself, Like I had 853 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,439 Speaker 1: no expectations. And then once I got in it, though, 854 00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,439 Speaker 1: I got a little competitive because I was like, oh, 855 00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,719 Speaker 1: I'm starting to do this and I'm actually good at it. 856 00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,239 Speaker 1: I mean you had to know, like once you were 857 00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,360 Speaker 1: doing rehearsals, you were like, oh, wow, like a ballroom 858 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,960 Speaker 1: dance because yeah, you have beautiful lines. 859 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,840 Speaker 2: So you're like extremely flexible and uh, yeah you'll like show. 860 00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:04,239 Speaker 1: We looked good. 861 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like you're doing everything that they want 862 00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:12,720 Speaker 2: you to do, like you smile and uh. 863 00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,960 Speaker 1: You can never tell. But like my partner kept saying 864 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,520 Speaker 1: to me, you just never know, yeah, like you just 865 00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:23,279 Speaker 1: can't predict what's going to happen. Yeah, and that's yeah, 866 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:28,240 Speaker 1: Like I didn't think you'd go first. Well maybe maybe 867 00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,560 Speaker 1: I thought you go first. Like it could have gone 868 00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:31,240 Speaker 1: two ways. 869 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,840 Speaker 2: I felt like, yeah, I would you go first. I 870 00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,759 Speaker 2: would like or either make it to the finale, like 871 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:41,120 Speaker 2: it would like this is like what No, that way 872 00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,759 Speaker 2: it felt like that was a strategy because it's like 873 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:49,319 Speaker 2: so it's very subjective. Who is really the judge of 874 00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:55,840 Speaker 2: Like the scores were like so scattered. Actually we should 875 00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:02,719 Speaker 2: like assemble a panel of the real ballroom pros, like 876 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,040 Speaker 2: an independent party. 877 00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:09,840 Speaker 1: And I love her thinking you were so clever, so smart, 878 00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:10,600 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 879 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:15,480 Speaker 2: And to judge everyone's dances someone who is like has 880 00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,920 Speaker 2: no interest in any of the any of the outcomes 881 00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,800 Speaker 2: in any of the competitors, and just like to estimate 882 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:27,040 Speaker 2: without any backgrounds, any names, just like the pure technique. 883 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:34,000 Speaker 2: And then combine you just created a new show. Yeah, 884 00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:41,919 Speaker 2: combined with the woodience boats, they should be the yeah 885 00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:50,560 Speaker 2: ballroom jurors exactly. This is okay, So because it feels 886 00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:55,359 Speaker 2: it feels reasonable for the amount of backlash I think 887 00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:59,640 Speaker 2: both of us are getting, Like why not. It just 888 00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:03,400 Speaker 2: seems like it seems like it's been mostly negative experience, 889 00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:07,560 Speaker 2: at least for me. Then I was a positive perspective. 890 00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,359 Speaker 1: But I guess it's hard for me because I got 891 00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,760 Speaker 1: to know you and I really like you, and it's different, 892 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:17,160 Speaker 1: but like, okay, I'm taking myself out of it, uh, 893 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:22,040 Speaker 1: and just watch you, Like I think you're a beautiful dancer, 894 00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,080 Speaker 1: and I wanted to see more of you because I know, 895 00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,800 Speaker 1: they made the comments about smiling, but then you did 896 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,600 Speaker 1: bring that the second week, so like I wanted to 897 00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:37,560 Speaker 1: see you go on and get comfortable, and so it's 898 00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,400 Speaker 1: putting the difference between what was what you thought was 899 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,400 Speaker 1: expected of you and who you are and seeing that evolution. 900 00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,880 Speaker 1: I wanted to see that, and Korea. 901 00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,920 Speaker 2: Was not my responsibility obviously, like yes, you know, so 902 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,800 Speaker 2: I was just like following directions and with a second dance, 903 00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:57,839 Speaker 2: I thought like, technically, I've done like all of it correctly, 904 00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,960 Speaker 2: and this very little I could have done better, like 905 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,680 Speaker 2: maybe yeah, the frame and like the head or like 906 00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:10,120 Speaker 2: maybe the smile, but everything else, I felt like I've 907 00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,759 Speaker 2: just performed it the way I've been told to. So 908 00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,759 Speaker 2: it's like, what else is it for me to do? 909 00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,040 Speaker 2: And this is what made me feel kind of discouraged. 910 00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,799 Speaker 2: And it's like, yeah, it's not like I messed up, 911 00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,040 Speaker 2: like I didn't show up. They're like, I don't know, 912 00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:25,480 Speaker 2: ten hours late. 913 00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:29,360 Speaker 1: Or technically everything right, yeah, but you're right at the 914 00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:30,439 Speaker 1: end of the day, it is. 915 00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,880 Speaker 2: So it just feels so unreasonable and U they love and. 916 00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:40,080 Speaker 1: They yeah, it's true. So in that moment when she 917 00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,799 Speaker 1: turned you and you said nothing. 918 00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,080 Speaker 2: Because that was the truth. I think, like, well, you 919 00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,680 Speaker 2: guys told me what I'm supposed to do. I tried 920 00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,480 Speaker 2: to do it, and then I still was rejected. And 921 00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,040 Speaker 2: I'm taking away nothing. Is what I'm taking away from 922 00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:06,040 Speaker 2: it because your advice was worthless. The advice that you 923 00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,520 Speaker 2: gave me did not pay off for me, even though 924 00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,520 Speaker 2: I tried to follow it right. And this is how 925 00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:12,000 Speaker 2: I felt. 926 00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:13,520 Speaker 1: That's totally fair. 927 00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:17,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I know like people were trying to interpret 928 00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,880 Speaker 2: my answer like in a different ways, but now not really, 929 00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:25,759 Speaker 2: I really did not take away much from this experience other. 930 00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:30,239 Speaker 1: Than that you got to meet me exactly. It all 931 00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:30,759 Speaker 1: worked out. 932 00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,320 Speaker 2: I think I had to be on the defensive, especially 933 00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:39,520 Speaker 2: like after all the backlash that received being cast on 934 00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,759 Speaker 2: the show, even though the producers I think Conrad made 935 00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,440 Speaker 2: a great job just like trying to defend me, and 936 00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,160 Speaker 2: I think everyone on a cast was generally very nice 937 00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,640 Speaker 2: to me. But in the end, I don't know, so 938 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,560 Speaker 2: I'm not familiar with like in the workings of the show, 939 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,080 Speaker 2: but like the fact that yeah, you and I were 940 00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:06,000 Speaker 2: eliminated before other members, it's just seems a little bit unbelievable. 941 00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,439 Speaker 2: And I don't know. 942 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:13,320 Speaker 1: All double elimination. I'm a good company. I'd rather Yeah. 943 00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:17,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad it's you and not anyone else. 944 00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:23,560 Speaker 1: Okay, so now you're leaving me. We just became friends. 945 00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,120 Speaker 1: Are going back to New York. Wait, what's next? What's 946 00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:27,120 Speaker 1: happening next for you? 947 00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,919 Speaker 2: Well? I love New York. You should come to New York. 948 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:31,840 Speaker 2: Do you ever come? 949 00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:39,520 Speaker 1: Rarely? It's always work like I, oh yeah, remember like 950 00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,520 Speaker 1: we flew to New York for GMA. While you were there. 951 00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,520 Speaker 1: Oh no, you were in La. You flew back and 952 00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,640 Speaker 1: it was fashion Week and I had to go back 953 00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:50,960 Speaker 1: and do rehearsals, and you were like stay and I 954 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,400 Speaker 1: was like, oh my gosh, that would be amazing to 955 00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,360 Speaker 1: experience fashion week with you. 956 00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,160 Speaker 2: Well, you are definitely going to be invited to the 957 00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:03,439 Speaker 2: next fashion Way weekend February. Oh okay, I stay with you, 958 00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:08,440 Speaker 2: of course. And we definitely need to do like a 959 00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:14,160 Speaker 2: dance off with all the celebrities or like the partner switch. 960 00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:15,960 Speaker 1: I would love that. 961 00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,279 Speaker 2: I'm sure we're going to have like a million different networks. 962 00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,279 Speaker 2: We'll be willing to. 963 00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:23,320 Speaker 1: Can you talk about your documentary? 964 00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,120 Speaker 2: I mean it's been exciting. They've been following me around 965 00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:30,120 Speaker 2: for almost two years now, and I'm excited for it 966 00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:30,840 Speaker 2: to come out. 967 00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:36,080 Speaker 1: I am too, because literally, like no one knows your side. 968 00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I've been incarcerated for so long, and like people, 969 00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,120 Speaker 2: it was so easy for others to tell my story 970 00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,680 Speaker 2: now and my story has been told by other people, 971 00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:50,520 Speaker 2: and I'm excited to reclaim my narrative and show everyone 972 00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:52,760 Speaker 2: what kind of person I really am. 973 00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:57,040 Speaker 1: I'm excited for that because yeah, that I mean, I've 974 00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:01,080 Speaker 1: gotten to know you just knowing you, and I really 975 00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:03,680 Speaker 1: like the human I know. So I'm excited for the 976 00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:05,120 Speaker 1: world to see your side. 977 00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm excited if nothing else. I got to 978 00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:13,640 Speaker 2: meet Allly amazing people right yourself, and I like Alona 979 00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,000 Speaker 2: and Steven very sweet. 980 00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:22,440 Speaker 1: Are you still filming your documentary? Of course, yeah, no pressure. 981 00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:22,920 Speaker 1: But like. 982 00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,920 Speaker 2: The web in broad up round, the media is like 983 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,640 Speaker 2: I'm always on a defensive. I know everything is going 984 00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,760 Speaker 2: to be used but against me, like in a court setting, 985 00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:34,960 Speaker 2: and like at this point, I don't care if you 986 00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:38,720 Speaker 2: call me like ugly, stupid or fat or whatever, Like 987 00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,640 Speaker 2: I just care, like, oh, don't put me back in jail, 988 00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,120 Speaker 2: which is what happened to me. And this is how 989 00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,880 Speaker 2: I treat the media. And it's so much easier for 990 00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,400 Speaker 2: me to talk like to other people who I know, 991 00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,040 Speaker 2: like the I'm not going to like it must. 992 00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,360 Speaker 1: Just be like who who you can trust? You can't 993 00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,320 Speaker 1: you feel like you can't ever let your guard down. 994 00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,480 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm I'm glad I got to know you 995 00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:07,400 Speaker 1: in this. I know the experience you feel like maybe 996 00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,520 Speaker 1: wasn't everything you had signed up for, But I'm really 997 00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,760 Speaker 1: glad that you and I got to meet because I 998 00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:17,240 Speaker 1: don't know if we ever would have and who knows exactly. 999 00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,520 Speaker 2: It was so wild and it's like what an honor. 1000 00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,360 Speaker 2: I think that we're like the worst answers. We were 1001 00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:23,880 Speaker 2: worse than Reginalds, and. 1002 00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:32,000 Speaker 1: You're seeing it wrong just like particular like worse. 1003 00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:41,560 Speaker 2: It's us, none of them are, and it's a dancing show. 1004 00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,520 Speaker 2: It's our story. So that's something we have in common. 1005 00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,680 Speaker 1: There were the worst answers. Great, Yeah, like I didn't 1006 00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,080 Speaker 1: have enough insecurity. That's my listener. 1007 00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:53,920 Speaker 2: Thanks,