1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hello, welcome 5 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt. They call 6 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: Paul Mission controlled decade. Most importantly, you are you. You 8 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this stuff they don't want 9 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:44,279 Speaker 1: you to know. Now, Matt, you and I are unfortunately 10 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: pursuing the third in a series of episodes related to 11 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: an ongoing events. Yes, yes, we are an event that 12 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: will continue to go on, probably forever. I don't know 13 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: it interesting, we'll see. Uh. This is This is the 14 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: third partner continuing series on the origin, rise, fall, life, 15 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: and ultimately death of one Jeffrey Edward Epstein. And not 16 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: to be cold about this, nor to abstract, but we 17 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,639 Speaker 1: have to consider that this is one of the first 18 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 1: events of its kind to take place in the world 19 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: of the with the current surveillance and communication technology that 20 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: we have available. And these are modern days. If this 21 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: sort of thing occurred in the fifties or the sixties, 22 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: nineteen fifties, nineteen sixties, to say nothing of the eighteen 23 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: fifties or eighteen sixties. Then it would have been forgotten. 24 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: It would have already been buried. Right. Yeah, we're we're 25 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: in an era where something like this can continue to 26 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: be discussed even if it is not making the mainstream 27 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: news cycles. But we do have twenty four our mainstream 28 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: news cycles now and it can continues to pop up 29 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: in those as well, and it is continually covered in 30 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: those news cycles. Yeah, as you said, if you would 31 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: like to learn more about Jeffrey Epstein's early life has 32 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: rise to power in the first time it was apprehended 33 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: h then go ahead and listen to our January episode 34 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: available wherever you find UH podcasts or your favorite dark 35 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: off the Map shows. I believe the title of that 36 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: is how Jeffrey Epstein Broke the Law and got away 37 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: I believe so, or something very similar to that. And 38 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,959 Speaker 1: then we made another episode while we were away, I 39 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: think we were in Orlando maybe when we made that 40 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 1: second episode. In at least immediately following UM the death 41 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: of Jeffrey Epstein in August UM, we talked about his 42 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: time in prison, the initial reports of his death. UH 43 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: and you can find that one again wherever you find 44 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: your podcasts. So here are the facts, just for a 45 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: quick recap. Who is Jeffrey Epstein? For anyone who has 46 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: been under a rock for not the country, but a 47 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: rock r O c K for the past several years, 48 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: or anyone who has not been uh exploited victim of 49 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: his of which there are many, some of whom may 50 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: be listening to today's show. Yes, j E. Epstein was 51 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: born in Brooklyn, That's New York, on January twentie, nineteen 52 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: fifty three. His parents were Pauline and Seymour Epstein. They 53 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: had married just the year before he was born. Now, 54 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: originally he was working as a teacher at this place, 55 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: a very private and prestigious place called the Dalton School 56 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: or Dalton School. And later he was given an entry 57 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: level position at a place you may recall or you 58 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: may have heard of before called bear Stearns Um, an 59 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: investment firm, And that is remarkable for a lot of reasons. 60 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: But one of the main reason is that he was 61 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: in fact a college drop out that was given a 62 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: position there and then ended up doing some climbing because 63 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: he rose to prominence as this guy that we kind 64 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: of have learned about more recently. Um who was a 65 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: jet setter, a guy who had multiple properties, millions and 66 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: millions of dollars worth of properties. Uh, And he met 67 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: all kinds of high profile people. He gathered a group 68 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:33,679 Speaker 1: of friends that included presidents and royalty and just people 69 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: across the Western world. And they were people that were 70 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: financial clients of his. Some of them just friends, but 71 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: a lot of them actually had money tied in with 72 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: his dealings. Well that we don't know. That gets that 73 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: gets a little. This is the hero of the facts part. 74 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: He at least, You're right, this is the hero of 75 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: the facts part. He at least had personal relationships with 76 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: those people who were who were at high levels in 77 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: countries across the world. Right, the mastermind of Victoria's secret 78 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: is one of his few known clients. But he was 79 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: famous or infamous in the world of finance for not 80 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: revealing who his clients were, to the point where in 81 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: the absence of transparency, speculation proliferated and people were saying, 82 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: is this guy dealing with war lords? Is this guy 83 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: dealing with people who have been, in one way or 84 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: another exiled from the international banking system? You know, what 85 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: I mean. And it turns out that there may be 86 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: some sand to those claims, but at this point we 87 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: can't call them facts because they remain unproven. Although it 88 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: was caught with like loose diamonds forty something loose diamonds, 89 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: which is I think, as we mentioned the earlier episode, 90 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: it's it's such a sketchy billionaire thing to do, and 91 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,359 Speaker 1: he we know that in the least a lot of 92 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: the people he's been connected with did end up making 93 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: uh a flight or a helicopter trip or a you know, 94 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: a yacht trip out to his private island uh in 95 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: in the Caribbean right right, and his main private island 96 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: because he had to as we found well, yeah, he 97 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: ended up right at the end there purchasing so he 98 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: owned Little St. James Island, which is the one you've 99 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: probably seen recently in the news or maybe a video 100 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: of it that has just come out and we're gonna 101 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: talk about at the end of this episode. Um. But 102 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: he also right towards the end there while he was 103 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: in jail, uh right before and then as he was 104 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: in jail, purchased the immediately adjacent island, Big St. James Island, 105 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 1: which is something you can do if you are a 106 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: billionaire yourself, or you know, forget that, if you are 107 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: friends with billionaires, you can do that kind of thing. 108 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: And his list of clients, uh, you know, it wasn't 109 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,799 Speaker 1: just he wasn't just hanging out with the Donald Trump's 110 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: of the world. He was hanging out with the Bill 111 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: Clinton's of the world. Because again, when you get to 112 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: that level of money and power, you learn very quickly 113 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: that what is sold to uh, what is sold to 114 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: the rest of us, as to um starkly opposed ideologies 115 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: ultimately end up being fingers on a hand. Right, your 116 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: thumb may be opposable, but it's still your thumb. The 117 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: opposition is not what it appears to be. Ps. It 118 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: was called great St James great St. It was not 119 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: just big, it was great. So fast forward, there's a 120 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: turn here. This guy's closely guarded jet setting life. We 121 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: should also say he has a lot of members of government, 122 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: not just the US government, members of different governments messing 123 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: with him, including of course, the Royalty of the UK, 124 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: which are for some reason still around. If Epstein's primary 125 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: day job was finance, he was he appeared to be 126 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: like one of those you know, one of those people. 127 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,559 Speaker 1: We've probably all met someone like this in our lives, 128 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: who who has a job that they you know, they do. 129 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: They show up, but they're real love. Their real passion 130 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: is some sort of hobby, right, someone who loves deep 131 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: sea fishing so much they're just clocking in their hours 132 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: so they can get back on their boat and go 133 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: hunting swordfish or whatever. Sure, I'm like that with podcasting. 134 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: I can't wait to get home and just play a 135 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: video game. Oh yeah, yeah, we're just doing this to 136 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: support your video game happen. That's what all the whole 137 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: things about, right right, right, And uh and for Paul, 138 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: it's it's visiting every Applebee's on the planet. Uh. And 139 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: for me, you know, it's it's it's getting into the DPRK. 140 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: But those those are three pretty innocent hobbies we just named. 141 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: I mean, he really wants to get into it. So 142 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: Epstein's Epstein's hobby if he had something like this. It 143 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: turned out that his all consuming second love, his passion, 144 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: was the grooming and abuse of under age of underage victims, 145 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: right of of girls, children, and this was a fact 146 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: that remained an open secret and high society for a 147 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 1: number of Gears. Of course, longtime listeners, you have already 148 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: heard the quote where Donald Trump uh says no doubt 149 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 1: about it, Jeffrey Lax him young or something like that. 150 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: He says he's a great guy, and then later he 151 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: denies it and says he didn't know the guy. He didn't. 152 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: You know, he's distancing himself. Letch a lot of people do. 153 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: So this open secret hit the headlines due to excellent 154 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 1: reporting from Miami Harold and in two thousand and eight, 155 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: Epstein ended up leading guilty to a felony charge that 156 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 1: was put in a way that really was was profoundly 157 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: offensive towards the victim, who again was a child. This 158 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: guy didn't get child abuse, not get um, you know, 159 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 1: sexual assault of a minor. He got solicitation of prostitution 160 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: involving a meyer, which implicitly states that the victim was 161 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: somehow a sex worker. Let's think about how messed up 162 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: that is. Uh. He was sentenced to eighteen months in prison. 163 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: This is also, by the way, a country where due 164 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: to drug laws, people with nonviolent crimes have been sentenced 165 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 1: to life. I want to point that out and if 166 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: eighteen months, if you're one of the type of people 167 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: who listens to this and says, well, abusing a child 168 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: sexually should not get that steep for abusing a child, Well, 169 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: first things first, go ahead and don't ever listen to 170 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: our show again, and don't email us. I don't want 171 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: to hear from you. But while you're in this episode, 172 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: you'll be delighted to know if you're that type of 173 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: person that he only served thirteen of those months. He 174 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: also barely served those he had work release. He created 175 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: his own office building, which is something you can do 176 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 1: when you're that wealthy. Uh. He would commute to his 177 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 1: office outside of jail six days a week. He did 178 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: boo hoo hoo, have to register as a sex offender. 179 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: This did not stop him from continuing his crimes. He 180 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: had a non prosecution agreement that was largely considered a 181 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: sick joke. I would say largely and accurately considered a 182 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: sick joke. Listen to our first episode to hear all 183 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: the details on that, right, and the guy green lit this. 184 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: A fellow named Acosta said he was told Epstein was 185 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: quote with intelligence and or for untouchable. So Costa very 186 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: much threw his hands up past the buck and said 187 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: it was you know it's it's above me. I can't 188 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: do this, I can't make a call. And that whole 189 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 1: connection of Jeffrey Epstein to some form or some kind 190 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: of intelligence, either agency or group is something we've speculated 191 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: on before. Um, who knows, who knows what that actually means. Again, 192 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: we have to hang on for the second act because 193 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: the facts. But but that, but that connection that was 194 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: made by a Costa has stood out this whole time, 195 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: and sure people continue to just wonder about it. We 196 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: don't know, we don't know, but we do know that 197 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: he got arrested again and appeared to stick right. In 198 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 1: July nineteen, he was arrested, this time in New Jersey, uh, 199 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: the same sort of initial charges. He was denied bail, 200 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: he was imprisoned, and in August he died. Yes, on Saturday, August, 201 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein was found unresponsive in his jail cell at 202 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: six thirty a m. Eastern time. He was in New 203 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: York City. And the official verdict that came through after 204 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: a you know, the immediate investigation was completed. Um, it 205 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: was that he had killed himself, that he had hanged 206 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: himself there in his cell, hang himself to death. That 207 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: was the official verdict. But it turns out there's much, much, 208 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: much more to this story, and we'll delve into it 209 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: after a word from our sponsor. Here's where it gets crazy. Now, 210 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: since our last two episodes aired, the death of Jeffrey 211 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: Epstein has become a bit of a meme. And let's 212 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: let's go ahead and talk about something that occurred very 213 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: recently on cable news just to kind of illustrate this. 214 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: So on Saturday, November two, a man named Mike Ritlin, 215 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: former Navy seal and he's the founder of Warrior Dog Foundation. 216 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: He was a guest on Fox News program called waters World, 217 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: and he went on the show to discuss how the 218 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: United States military uses dogs, something we've talked about pretty 219 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: recently on this show. Specifically, they're talking about all these 220 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: stories that had come out about Conan, the canine that 221 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: was involved in the special Operations mission that resulted in 222 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: the death of the ISIS leader Abu Baker Albugdhatti. And 223 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: right at the end of the statement, Ritland the guests 224 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: on the show, he gave a statement a p s 225 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: A of sorts, discouraging citizens just everyday people like you 226 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: and me, from adopting former military dogs, and at the 227 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: end of his message he slipped in a little something 228 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: extra and I'm going to read the quote here. The 229 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: remarkable nature of these dogs and then being highlighted in 230 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: the news creates a huge demand by people that frankly 231 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: shouldn't have them. If you see the coverage and you 232 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: decide I want one of these dogs, either by a 233 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: fully trained and finished dog from a professional, or just 234 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: don't get one at all. And Epstein didn't kill himself. Now, 235 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: this right here, this whole thing where there's a long, 236 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: a fairly long statement then finishing with and Epstein didn't 237 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: kill himself, has become a meme. You'll see them all 238 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: over the internet. And it's the big question is why 239 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: why are so many people interested in continuing this conversation 240 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: or at least not letting it get out of the 241 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: news or out of people's minds, that Jeffrey Epstein didn't 242 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: kill himself? Yeah? Why did this one person's death spawn 243 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: a meme? Right? Because we've seen other the death of 244 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: other serial abusers, like the overrated DJ from the United 245 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: to Kingdom, Jimmy Saville. Right, Uh, that guy clearly a monster. 246 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: There was an ongoing child abuse cover up in the 247 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: United Kingdom, And I don't mean to sound as though 248 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: I know I made an offhand derogatory remark about the 249 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: royal family and now I'm talking about the cover up 250 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: that the UK is currently embroiled in. I don't mean 251 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: to pick on the UK. Those are just it is 252 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: true that there was this act of cover up, and 253 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: there was a similar case of a very well connected 254 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: criminal committing similar acts. But why why did Epstein spawn 255 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: the meme? That's primarily due to the shady circumstances surrounding 256 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: his death. We'd like to give you some updates because 257 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: when we initially investigated this, we were working with immediate 258 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: reports and headlines and there hadn't been a lot of 259 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: delving into the facts. So here are some of the 260 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: crazier things that happened. First, the guards and the cameras. 261 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: It turns out cameras were no help and figuring out 262 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: exactly what had happened to Jeffrey Epstein. Neither were the guards. 263 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: The pair tasked with watching Epstein were, according to the 264 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: official story, literally asleep on their job. They were also 265 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: he was held in this special housing unit called nine 266 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: South UH. The guards who were charged with keeping track 267 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: of him have been accused of falsely recording in a 268 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: log that they had checked on him every thirty minutes 269 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: as was required, so they have been cooking the books. 270 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 1: His roommate was also pulled from the cell in the 271 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 1: days leading up to his death. He was also taken 272 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: off suicide watch shortly before his death after an alleged 273 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 1: suicide attempt on July twenty three, which is itself murky 274 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: because if you look at the reports, he was apparently 275 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 1: shouting on that during that alleged suicide attempt. In August, 276 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: the Department of Justice August, this is the Department of Justice, 277 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 1: began to subpoena multiple members of the prison staff anywhere 278 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: from fifteen to twenties. So for some people it would 279 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 1: be I don't want to say inspiring, but reassuring that 280 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 1: the murder was being investigated at the highest levels of 281 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: the law. However, there's a problem with that investigation. Oh 282 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: there's a big problem. The d o J and the 283 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 1: Topartment of Justice is headed by a gentleman named William 284 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: Barr that you may have heard of previously because he's 285 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: been a bit controversial. And there's a gentleman whose opponents 286 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: alleged was appointed entirely based on his earlier stated refusal 287 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: to prosecute a standing president of basically anything. We were 288 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: referencing Donald Trump there um, so here is here, Well, Ben, 289 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: why don't you actually take us down the rabbit hole here? 290 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: Because there's something about his father that was a bit 291 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: fishy that we found sure. William Barr's father is a 292 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 1: general named Donald Barr. Donald Barr was also a teacher 293 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:09,719 Speaker 1: at the Dalton School. He left three months before Epstein began, 294 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: and you will hear many many people say that he 295 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 1: had a hand in the hiring of Jeffrey Epstein, who was, 296 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: by many accounts sol a while liked teacher. Bar left 297 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: due to his uh authoritarian stance. Member other members of 298 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: the faculty thought he was coming down too hard on 299 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: kids who use drugs. He is also the author of 300 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 1: a book called Get Ready for This Space relations colon, 301 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: a slightly gothic interplanetary tale. According to its critics, this 302 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: book more or less smacks of pedophilia. At this point, 303 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: it isn't conclusively proven whether Barr had any genuine, concrete 304 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 1: s nificant role in hiring Epstein, but it's enough of 305 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: a tenuous link where some might call it a coincidence 306 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:14,239 Speaker 1: to send level heads spending towards conspiratorial territory. There's an 307 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: interesting and remarkably lazy Vice article that is, it's about this, uh, 308 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: and it has a it's written by um, someone who 309 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: has a copy of this book, Space Relations by Donald Barr, 310 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: and they they've read it. They make no bones about 311 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: it not being particularly good and about how it's highly unsettling. Uh. 312 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: Read excerpt here if that's okay. From this Vice article 313 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: says quote depicts the rape of enslaved people, especially teenage girls, 314 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: and other coercive sex acts for the dual purposes of 315 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: entertainment and controlled procreation and then bar and then goes 316 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: on to say how Bar resigned from his position as 317 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: headmaster of Dalton in nine seventy four due to disagreements 318 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: with trustees, and the author, to their credit, goes on 319 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: the author of the Vice article, not the author of 320 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: Space Relations, goes on to say that they've tried to 321 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: find interviews with Bar that might clarify his inspiration for 322 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 1: the novel, but this journalist, Becky Ferreira, says that the 323 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 1: only the only thing they could find pertaining to this 324 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: was a six essay that Donald Barr wrote for New 325 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: York Times about ideal books for young readers. Quote adolescence 326 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 1: appears to be a relatively modern invention bar opines and 327 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: the romantic wretchedness of it appears to be more modern. Still. 328 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: Author goes on to say, by far, the most disgusting 329 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: aspect of the novel is its fixation on sexualizing adolescence 330 00:21:55,240 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: and its depictions of sexual abuse. So I want to 331 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 1: I want to go back and say the reason, the 332 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: reason that I called this article that lazy is not 333 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: because of the journalism involved in the actual content of 334 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 1: the Vice article. I think it's well written, I think 335 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: it's well done, and it's it's a good thing to 336 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: read too, to see a critical approach to this, But 337 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: in a headline grabby way they use the these this 338 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: headline ready Epstein truthers are obsessed with a sci fi 339 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: book about child sex slavery written by Bill Barr's dad. No, 340 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 1: I don't know whether this journalist gets to choose their 341 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: own headlines oftentime. You know, it's not uncommon for journalists 342 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: and not be able to do that, But it is 343 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: an interesting choice to call someone an Epstein truther, because 344 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 1: that kind of thought terminating cliche makes people immediately assume 345 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: that anyone who believes Jeffrey Epstein did not commit suicide 346 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: is on the level of what. Oh, yes, you're referring 347 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: to not eleven Truthers. I see what you're doing there, Ben, 348 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 1: Oh I'm not doing it. Yeah. But well, there's also 349 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: a thing to say here that just because Donald Barr 350 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: writes a book that includes those kinds of things doesn't 351 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: mean that is necessarily the way he thinks or the 352 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: way he feels, even though there are you know, you 353 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 1: write a quote there that seemed to be uh concerning, 354 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: but you know that's true. It's we just have to 355 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: remember that, like it's a gradation is creating, like you know, 356 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: if you're creating something in that way, it doesn't mean 357 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: you necessarily believe it. It It is something you're writing, sure right, Yeah, 358 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 1: not saying it stands true in this case, No, no, 359 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying it's anything more than a very 360 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: creepy coincidence, you know what I mean, Because again, that's 361 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: work of fiction, and this is a tenuous relationship through 362 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: a school. This is not the same thing as um, 363 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: you know, those pictures of the UK Prince Andrew and 364 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 1: the video footage of him hanging out with Epstein or 365 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: having Epstein leaving his own house with a very young girl, 366 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: followed by the UK's Prince Andrew closing the door behind 367 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: them in Epstein's house, which is true. You can see 368 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: that video footage. Even BBC covered it. But I want 369 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: to stick with that. I want to stick with that 370 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 1: sort of lazy thinking. The use of the word truth 371 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: or there, because we'd like to introduce you to a 372 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:51,360 Speaker 1: probably one of the most famous truthers in recent Epstein 373 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: reporting and one of the reasons we decided to make 374 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 1: this update. We'll do that after a word from our 375 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: sponsor and we're back. Then you're talking about Mayor Bill 376 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: de Blasio, because he came forward and said, hey, there's 377 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 1: something fishy going on here just the other day. Okay, 378 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: so he is an Epstein truth or that, right, He 379 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: at least thinks there needs to be a further investigation 380 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: to figure out how he died in that controlled facility, 381 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: and it wasn't caught on camera, and people just don't 382 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 1: understand what happened, and some people have argued that it's 383 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: really it's it's not indicative of a conspiracy to commit 384 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: homicide so much as it's indicative of a very dangerous, uh, 385 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: very dangerous state of disrepair for the prison involved, and 386 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: then prisons throughout New York and then prisons throughout the US. Yeah, 387 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 1: if the highest levels here where a multi millionaire is 388 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: locked up in one of these places and he can 389 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,160 Speaker 1: still die, whether by his own hand or some one 390 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: else is without anyone knowing what happened, we're in trouble. 391 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: And prison guards apparently at that facility had to work 392 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: routine over time. It was expected, right and it was 393 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,479 Speaker 1: part of the job. So work more hours than you 394 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: had signed on to work for, you know, the the 395 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: Epstein truth or that we would like to introduce you 396 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 1: to her. Another one we'd like to introduce you to 397 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:26,719 Speaker 1: is a fellow named Dr Michael Baden. At this stage 398 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 1: of the investigation, they've entered into what we could call, uh, 399 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: the the autopsy debate, the autopsy wars if we wanted 400 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 1: to be hyperbolic headlines. And Dr Michael Baden was there 401 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: when the autopsy was performed, and he's a former New 402 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: York City medical examiner. Here's where we're very very briefly 403 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,919 Speaker 1: former the ex medical example for New York City. So 404 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: the argument for suicide, as we've laid out in other 405 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 1: the in an earlier episode, in our August st episode, 406 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, as you've seen laid out in 407 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 1: multiple media iterations, is that Epstein took his own life 408 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: via hanging. And according to Dr Barbara Sampson quote, the 409 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 1: original medical investigation was thorough and complete. There was no 410 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: reason for his second medical investigation by our office. However, 411 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 1: hold the phone interplayer two in this game, there's an 412 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 1: argument for homicide made by this doctor, Michael Baden. And 413 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 1: what do you mean when you say it was very 414 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 1: briefly former? Oh well, there's a fantastic New York Times 415 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 1: article about this called Epstein's Optopsy points to homicide pathologists 416 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 1: hired by brother claims. And if you can get access 417 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: to this article, if you only read a few NYT 418 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: articles this week or this month or whatever, I'd recommend 419 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 1: you do it. But anyway, so, what what Dr Baden 420 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: is saying here is that because of the broken bones 421 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: in Jeffrey Epstein's neck there were three of them, saying 422 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: that because of these, he believes that the death was 423 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: homicide rather than suicide. Because in the fifty years this 424 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: is a quote I've not seen in fifty years where 425 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: that occurred in a suicidal hanging case. Um. That's the 426 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: that's the big mentioned here. And there's also something to 427 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 1: be said here about how Dr Baden was hired by 428 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: Epstein's brother to do kind of a separate investigation or 429 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 1: to get more more um, more of a spotlight on 430 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: the autopsy process and what happened so that the family 431 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: would actually have eyes in the room as the autoxy 432 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: is being performed. UM. And you know, to have somebody 433 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: who's been working for five decades, as you know, a 434 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: medical examiner for various people, as a high level consultant 435 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: for various people within this field. UM, having it come 436 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: from him holds a lot of weight. But there's something 437 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: a little weird about Dr Baden. What's that meant? He 438 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: was on the O. J. Simpson trial. He was a 439 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: witness and he or he was at least an expert 440 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: witness witness. I guess where he he brought about the 441 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: idea or spoke to the idea that O. J. Simpson 442 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: could not have performed these murders because the timeline didn't 443 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: match up. And he was panned pretty heavily for for 444 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: his statements during that trial. He's also married to Linda 445 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: Kenny Baden, who was one of Phil Specter's primary attorneys 446 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: during his murder trial. Wow. So uh now, And that's 447 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: not to say that he is not correct here in 448 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: his assessment that the three broken bones within the neck. 449 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: It feels fishy um and it holds weight coming from 450 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: an expert like him, But that fact, at least connecting 451 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: those those broken bones to a definite homicide has been 452 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: refuted by both Dr Barbara Sampson that we mentioned earlier, 453 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: as well as several other people who are high level 454 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: medical examiners. Right, it's specifically two fractures on the left 455 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: and right side of the larynx in the one fracture 456 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: on the left high oid bone, which, as we described earlier, 457 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: hangs above your Adam's apple if you have one of those, 458 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: and he said they occur much more commonly in homicidal strangulation. 459 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: The think that's also that we also have to add 460 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: to the cauldron here that we have stewing is that, honestly, yeah, 461 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: I hate to see it, but when when the surviving 462 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 1: relative or loved one who someone who passes away high 463 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: has a high gun come in like this, you have 464 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: to be very careful because it's very easy to cast 465 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: dispersions on their credibility, you know what I mean. Sure, 466 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: I mean you also have to remember that that person 467 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: who was hired is being hired specifically by a loved 468 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: one to tell them maybe what they want to hear. 469 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,959 Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's gonna always be the question. That's going 470 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: to be a little bit of the the elephant in 471 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: the room, one of the bigger elephants in the room. 472 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: Of course, we are bound to mention this. We when 473 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: I say bound, I mean in the sense of, uh, 474 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: we cannot talk about this without also exploring the ultimate question, 475 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: who benefits. We won't know who benefits. Why would someone 476 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: kill Jeffrey Epstein if it wasn't him, if he didn't 477 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: do it? And right now, this is one of the 478 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: most This has become one of the most widely believed 479 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: or circulated conspiracy theories in the American site. Guys like 480 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: it's up there with questions about JFK. It is well 481 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: and and and it's both very serious in some corners, 482 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: and it's also a big joke in other corners of 483 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: the Internet, which it really is. Um So let's let's 484 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: just talk about the first category that we talked about 485 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: a little bit in the last episode, and that would 486 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: be patrons of Jeffrey Epstein and people who may have 487 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: been complicit with some of the sexual abuse that was occurring, 488 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: or people that may have taken part in that or 489 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: helped him get away with it. Um, or maybe people 490 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: that were again this is complete speculation, but maybe people 491 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: that were being blackmailed by Epstein in a because they 492 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: did take a part, or at least we're feeling vulnerable 493 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: because Epstein was going back to jail and he could 494 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: tell the stories, right. Um. And a part of this 495 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: or someone who's been and caught up in some of 496 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: these theories is Hillary Rodham Clinton. And one of the 497 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: main reasons behind that is because of another conspiracy theory. 498 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: We talked about the Clinton body count, and if you 499 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: go on Twitter you can find hashtag Clinton body count. 500 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: It still exists real quick. The idea for that, for 501 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: anyone who is unfamiliar, is that during their rise uh 502 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: to political primus here, during their creation of a political dynasty, 503 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: the Clinton family, through a series of different scenarios and events, 504 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: is accused of murdering multiple people or at least having 505 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 1: them killed or having them killed. Yeah, that's what I mean, 506 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: not necessarily like them. Not not a situation where like 507 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 1: Bill Clinton stand sits on all fours and then Hillary 508 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: Clinton pushes someone over him. But but and I'm not 509 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: making light of it, but it's for people who believe 510 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: in that it goes back to shady real estate dealings 511 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: pre presidency. Uh. And it still has a lot of supporters. 512 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: Every time it seems to die down, it is resurrected 513 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: by something that is portrayed as another related murder. And 514 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: we have a whole episode on that. You can find 515 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: it in your podcast player. Yeah. We we did it 516 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,919 Speaker 1: around the previous the last election, and oh I thought 517 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: it was just Clinton conspiracy. It was, but we brought 518 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,399 Speaker 1: up the body counts in there as well. Um. But yes, 519 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,360 Speaker 1: So just recently, Hillary Rodham Clinton and her daughter that 520 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,439 Speaker 1: she has with Bill Clinton went on The Daily Show 521 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: with Trevor Noah, and Trevor Noah said, now I have 522 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: to ask you a question that's been plaguing me for 523 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,320 Speaker 1: a while. How did you kill Jeffrey Epstein? And again, 524 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: it's a joke. It is a it is a joke, 525 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,320 Speaker 1: but it is also very serious and it is very 526 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: It's strange that on a big stage like that on 527 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: the Daily Show that it can just be joked about 528 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: UM anyway. We don't have to get too far into it. 529 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: It's just that that is still in the zeitgeist. And 530 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,479 Speaker 1: a lot of this also has to do with Bill 531 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: Clinton's definite UM companionship of some sort with Jeffrey Epstein. 532 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: We didn't even really talk about that much you mentioned 533 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: on top, but usage of the private jet. The plane locks, 534 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 1: the flight logs and one of the big things powering 535 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: this because they are proof that people hopped on the 536 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: jets sometimes, do they? Does that mean that they were, 537 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 1: you know, arm in arm with Epstein every time they 538 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: were on the jet. No, but doesn't mean they used it. Yeah, 539 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: that's exactly what it means. Uh. Donald Trump did not 540 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:39,839 Speaker 1: escape unscathed through this. He had despite his UM. It's 541 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 1: very part for the course for the guy, for a 542 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: lot of politicians, but part of the course especially for him, 543 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:49,760 Speaker 1: despite his statements that directly contradict one another over time. Uh, 544 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 1: he clearly had a connection with Epstein v m R 545 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: A lago. You can also see another hashtag that you 546 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 1: have mentioned to me off air Matt that is hashtag 547 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:03,359 Speaker 1: Trump body count. Other question relatives would relatives have had 548 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 1: him done away with? Would it be people after his finances? 549 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: Would it be an intelligence agency? Because I would like 550 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: to spend some time investigating this fact. Numerous very successful 551 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 1: intelligence agencies use these honey pot tactics, right, But you'd 552 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: have somebody like a Jeffrey Epstein that would lure in 553 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: powerful or influential people to do some of these acts, 554 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: right right, a procureer. And we we've talked about this 555 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: at length. It is um willfully cartoonishly, I would argue, 556 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: offensively ignorant to pretend that there is, for some reason 557 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,359 Speaker 1: and intelligence agency that would not immediately do this if 558 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: they had the means and they thought it was worth it. 559 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:59,760 Speaker 1: The intelligence agencies that Epstein has been accused of acting 560 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 1: as a middleman four are primarily going to be the CIA, 561 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 1: Mossad and Her Majesty's Service in the UK, one of 562 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 1: the m I s this. This is strange because there 563 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,400 Speaker 1: are people who will tell you with certitude that he 564 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 1: was intelligence agent or an intelligence associate. However, if you 565 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: look at the way a lot of those agencies work, 566 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 1: especially or those institutions, as you say, work, especially when 567 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 1: they're doing something that is illegal according to the laws 568 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,799 Speaker 1: of their own country. What you see is that the 569 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: line between agent or operative or asset gets kind of murky, right. 570 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 1: There's because we have we have separation of church and 571 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 1: state here in the US, but we don't have separation 572 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,760 Speaker 1: of business and state, and we never will just because 573 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 1: it's it's too difficult to do and there's too much 574 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,799 Speaker 1: money on the table for people to lose. Whos if 575 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 1: private interests are not able to influence the workings of 576 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: government more than you know, more than your vote ever 577 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,320 Speaker 1: ever will oh yeah, well, and and this this connection 578 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 1: just I think objectively makes a lot of sense when 579 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: you think about that non prosecution agreement that he got. 580 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 1: There was stated he was connected to evident to intelligence, 581 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:27,280 Speaker 1: and then to have him be so protected for so long. 582 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 1: It's not stated in the agreement either. The only proof 583 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: of that is a statement from Acosta. However, I do 584 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:38,880 Speaker 1: want to continue with one last point. Why would a financier, 585 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,760 Speaker 1: someone who thrives on the movement of other people's money 586 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:48,719 Speaker 1: and therefore on some level needs people to know what 587 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: they're doing and they're good at it. Why would someone 588 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 1: like that ever not disclose their clients. One thing, and 589 00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:59,879 Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is the case, but one thing 590 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: a lot of front companies for intelligence agencies do is 591 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 1: they receive seed funding or you know what I mean. 592 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 1: Or they they have clients with terribly innocuous, poorly written 593 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 1: names like Generic America Incorporated, right, or Good People for 594 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,359 Speaker 1: Wholesome Times LLC. Things like that, you know, and that's 595 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 1: who ends up funding the HUNDA, or that's who ends up, 596 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 1: you know, procuring the guns to cross the border at 597 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 1: night exactly so I could see his primary you know, 598 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: he needs to say as clients, they need to be 599 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 1: closely guarded. But what if what if ultimately his checks 600 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 1: are not getting cut by people of Victoria's secret or 601 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 1: you know, uh, dissipated aristocrats. What if his checks are 602 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:52,440 Speaker 1: ultimately getting cut by state actors. It's not impossible. And 603 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 1: then of course there's uh, there's the tragedy of what's 604 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 1: what happens to the money. It doesn't seem like very 605 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,840 Speaker 1: much of that is going to his victims. Then there's 606 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,479 Speaker 1: the idea that Epstein did not actually die, but rather 607 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 1: committed pseudo side, which is a real word, the act 608 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 1: of faking one's death and that he has been aided 609 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 1: and embedded in his escape. Most of the theories there 610 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 1: are based on um interpretations of some grainy pictures of 611 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,879 Speaker 1: the corpse and saying that the corpse doesn't match the 612 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,560 Speaker 1: pictures of the living guy. Well yeah, and one another 613 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,959 Speaker 1: mean that's out there is where is Jeffrey Epstein's body, 614 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,759 Speaker 1: and you know, people wanting to see it, just like 615 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 1: when Osama bin Laden was killed or not killed. Those 616 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 1: kinds of conspiracy theories proliferate. Um. We've also just I 617 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,760 Speaker 1: wanted to mention here before we end that the people 618 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,799 Speaker 1: of we are changed. Lukewardowski and this other YouTube channel, 619 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 1: the Dollar Vigilante, they they took a boat and got 620 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:54,920 Speaker 1: onto that island, that private island, and you can watch 621 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 1: those right now where you can actually see some of 622 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,359 Speaker 1: the the temple. You could they go up to the temple, Yeah, 623 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 1: and they like touched the wall and everything there. They 624 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 1: see some of the private massage areas that are still there, 625 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 1: and the island is still run by I guess staff 626 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,319 Speaker 1: that are out there on the island. Did they speak 627 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,759 Speaker 1: with the staff, No, but they get chased off by 628 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 1: somebody and a goat or golf cart o you kind 629 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,239 Speaker 1: of say, on a goat on a goat a goat cart. No, 630 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,840 Speaker 1: it was, it was a golf cart, but it is. 631 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 1: It was very odd. The videos themselves are I don't 632 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 1: I don't want to say self aggrandizing, but it's you know, 633 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 1: I would say, watch the videos for the footage, maybe 634 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 1: muted if you have to. But I'm not saying that 635 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,359 Speaker 1: the videos are bad. It's just the images are more 636 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,280 Speaker 1: compelling than anything understood. And thank you for pointing that out, Matt. 637 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:52,719 Speaker 1: Today concludes our episode, but not our show, and maybe 638 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 1: regretfully not our series on EPSTEIN. Each time we end 639 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,839 Speaker 1: one of these, we know that there will be more 640 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:06,880 Speaker 1: to this story because this is an ongoing event. As always, 641 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 1: the most important takeaway from any episode like this does 642 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,600 Speaker 1: not relate to these people you've never met. It relates 643 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,200 Speaker 1: to you and your loved ones. If you or someone 644 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 1: you know is a victim of sexual abuse, abuse of 645 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,480 Speaker 1: any sort, you know you are not alone. We have 646 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:34,680 Speaker 1: as a species, uh set up resources seven you can call. 647 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,480 Speaker 1: It's just an internet search away. There is help, There 648 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:44,400 Speaker 1: are people waiting to help you. At this point, it 649 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,439 Speaker 1: is perhaps disingenuous to say that we are really it's 650 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,839 Speaker 1: perhaps disingenuous to say we're ending the episode, we're ending 651 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,280 Speaker 1: the story. We're ending the episode, but we're pausing the story. 652 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,880 Speaker 1: And we must make no mistake. This is quickly developing 653 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,880 Speaker 1: into one of the most widely believed conspiracy theories in 654 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,960 Speaker 1: the Western zeitgeist. But what's your take. We want to 655 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 1: hear from you. You can find us on Facebook, you 656 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,360 Speaker 1: can find us on Instagram, you can find us on Twitter. 657 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 1: If you were a person given to face bookery, then 658 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,040 Speaker 1: why not visit one of our favorite pages on Mark 659 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 1: Zuckerberg's sandbox, our community page. Here's where it gets crazy. 660 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,600 Speaker 1: You can see some of those uh, actually increasingly clever 661 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,960 Speaker 1: Epstein memes that Matt mentioned earlier. Uh, they're quickly becoming 662 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,279 Speaker 1: the new Rick role I think, or will be for 663 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,560 Speaker 1: a bit. Oh, yes, very much so. Uh. In fact, 664 00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,520 Speaker 1: just to feel a little more lighthearted, I want to 665 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 1: I want to read one of these. Is that okay 666 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,839 Speaker 1: for sure? Here's one that we found posted and it's 667 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,200 Speaker 1: got a picture of the Ring from Lord of the Rings. 668 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,000 Speaker 1: It says one ring to rule them all, one ring 669 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,680 Speaker 1: to find them, one ring to bring them all. And 670 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,399 Speaker 1: Epstein didn't kill himself, right, found that to be particularly 671 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:06,680 Speaker 1: uh interesting. There, I'll do one as well. Here, Okay, 672 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,200 Speaker 1: did you know you can make biodegradable and renewable confetti 673 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,640 Speaker 1: using a whole punch and leaves for parties and weddings. 674 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,759 Speaker 1: This is used as an alternative to plastic confetti that 675 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,239 Speaker 1: ends up in landfills or the ocean. And Epstein did 676 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:22,839 Speaker 1: not kill himself. And here's the last one. Actually, Ben, 677 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,160 Speaker 1: you read this one too, because I like the way 678 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:25,880 Speaker 1: you read that one. Can you can you read that 679 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,360 Speaker 1: by way? It's got some color in the same voice? Sure, 680 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,280 Speaker 1: I mean or maybe British. Add a tablespoon of vanilla 681 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,879 Speaker 1: to a gallon of paint before you paint your home. 682 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,960 Speaker 1: It will not affect the paint color and will make 683 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,760 Speaker 1: you a house spell of vanilla. When your family smells 684 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,880 Speaker 1: all your creativity, they will realize that Epstein did not 685 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:51,440 Speaker 1: kill himself and was murdered to prevent his testimony against 686 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:58,480 Speaker 1: elite pet files. Particularly like the flow of that one. Well, 687 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,720 Speaker 1: do people really put vanilla in the paint? I don't know, Paul, 688 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,279 Speaker 1: You tell me. Paul shared that with us. We'll find 689 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:10,920 Speaker 1: out vanilla in the paint. That's where we end. What 690 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,680 Speaker 1: what do you think this has been a hot topic 691 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,359 Speaker 1: of debate in the conspiracy realist circles. Yeah, I would 692 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,319 Speaker 1: say I'm surprised by how many people just all out 693 00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,280 Speaker 1: believe that he did not kill himself. Yeah, even people 694 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,759 Speaker 1: who would normally be a little more on the skeptical 695 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,359 Speaker 1: side of things. All right, and uh again, you can 696 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,319 Speaker 1: call us also, by the way, we didn't you mention 697 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,960 Speaker 1: that yet. You can call one eight three three st 698 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,719 Speaker 1: d w y t K, leave a message. We'll hear it. 699 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,000 Speaker 1: It might get on the air in an episode coming up. 700 00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,200 Speaker 1: And if you don't want to do any of that stuff, 701 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,319 Speaker 1: you can leave us a good old fashioned email. 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