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Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Let's talk about Thank you, guys.

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Speaker 1: I mean historically that's the way you want to go.

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Speaker 1: either Mahomes or Lamar Jackson. Oh? I love both of them.

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Speaker 1: the draft come to you. In my opinion, Mike, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna get into a league this year. No, I'm boycotting

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Speaker 1: Why why are you boycotting? Lack of experience? How's that

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Speaker 1: I got the league that you can get in. That's good.

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Speaker 1: sass Our, Rich Truman, thank you guys so much. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, Rich Truman, he is uh starting it

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Speaker 1: And uh, in fact, I found a lot of good

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Speaker 1: Let me just get a quick plug. It's gonna come

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Speaker 1: look for the v WS man. That's good, guys, Thank

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Speaker 1: you all so much. I'm Michael Barr. You've been listening

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