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Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is the production of iHeartRadio and partnership

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Speaker 1: with Recent Choice Media.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 1: Home, everybody. It's episode ninety of Native Land Pod. I'm

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Speaker 1: Tiffany Cross here with Angela Riot Andrew Gillam, and this

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Speaker 1: is your home where we gave it to you straight,

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Speaker 1: no chaser, all things politics and culture. And before we

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Speaker 1: even get into the show, I just want to ask

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Speaker 1: you all, if you like what you hear today, please

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Speaker 1: tell a friend, subscribe, like, do all the things, because

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Speaker 1: the more we hear from you, the more we can broadcast,

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Speaker 1: the more we can incorporate you into the show. And

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Speaker 1: so we love making this an interactive conversation with our

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Speaker 1: viewers and audience. So Andrew, Angela, Yes, welcome home.

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Speaker 3: Y'all was going on up, I'm going to disturb real quick.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you me your phone ring A D

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Speaker 4: and D.

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Speaker 5: There was someone who celebrated a birthday over the weekend.

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Speaker 5: Are very oh. Andrew Gillim was cowboy cartering it up

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Speaker 5: and he was on D and D. He didn't respond

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Speaker 5: to naryid birthday message until he was through the weekend.

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Speaker 5: Andrew talk about it.

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Speaker 6: That's true.

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Speaker 3: First of all, thanks everybody for the love, Tiffany, Angela,

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Speaker 3: the crew. I appreciate it. I generally disappeared during my birthday, don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't have cell phones. It causes me to be

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Speaker 3: a maintenance to them rather than enjoin the you know,

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Speaker 3: wherever I am. And this time I was with the

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Speaker 3: fam and my mother in law, my mother in love

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Speaker 3: was here, made some delicious food, got a little massage,

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Speaker 3: and you know, it's good. It was good.

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Speaker 6: Thank you all.

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Speaker 3: Though I am realizing I'm closer to fifty than I

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Speaker 3: am to forty.

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Speaker 1: Can we spend a minute on that, because that's such

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Speaker 1: a mind in a way, you know, yes, wild Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because like forty five is like your last big birthday.

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Speaker 1: I'm forty six, and when you start to look at

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Speaker 1: the next birthday, it's like oh, and you start saying

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Speaker 1: things like oh, I'm girl, please, I'm pushing fifty or

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at fifty and you're not quite there yet,

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Speaker 1: but just that you have lived more of your life. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, you're on the other side.

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Speaker 3: You're middle aged, middle aged, lord a mercy, you're almost

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Speaker 3: half a century old.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Really, they say it gets better Tiffany, I believe.

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Speaker 1: It does, your friend, I'm claiming it Bebby Smith always

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Speaker 1: says it gets greater later, and I think that's true.

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Speaker 1: For the most part. I think you settle into yourself.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what it is for men, Andrew, so

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Speaker 1: I'd love for you to speak to that as women.

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Speaker 4: I think it's something different.

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Speaker 3: I am hoping and I'm already feeling this way now,

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Speaker 3: and it didn't take a birthday to get here. Is

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Speaker 3: the need for validation outside myself is almost non existent.

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Speaker 4: That's a great place to be and now I can't.

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Speaker 3: And now, of course it exists in some ways, and

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Speaker 3: I find it showing up at really probably you know,

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Speaker 3: unexpected but really rare moments, and I appreciate when I

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Speaker 3: I can call it to my attention, but mostly it's like, okay,

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Speaker 3: you know, live how you live. I'm a lot less

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Speaker 3: concerned with what folks are going on as relates to

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Speaker 3: gossip and what people say in that the street. I

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Speaker 3: miss me all the way with every piece of that

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Speaker 3: because it in my business. And I'm also more comfortable

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Speaker 3: that the people who I love and I care for

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Speaker 3: know it, and they are a lot more accepting of

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Speaker 3: the way in which I am and how I show up,

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Speaker 3: And I think the same is true in reverse, Angela,

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Speaker 3: what about you? I know you're not you know I'm

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Speaker 3: a pushing I'm pushing.

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Speaker 5: No I am. You know you're only a few minutes

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Speaker 5: older than me. I'm pushing forty six in October. It's

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Speaker 5: all good. I feel like black don't crack. And speaking

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Speaker 5: of I'm at the National Bar Association conventional.

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Speaker 3: Shout out to the National Bar blacking.

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Speaker 5: One hundred years. So shout out to everybody miss making

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Speaker 5: sure that we are upholding what the laws should be

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Speaker 5: and not what the law just is is, because this

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Speaker 1: I was about to say, to talk about what we're

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Speaker 1: talking about, Yes, and your birthday was first on the list,

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Speaker 1: but also, what else are we talking about?

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Speaker 4: Angela?

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Speaker 5: So we are in the midst of a little bit

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Speaker 5: of a culture war online. Uh, there is some stuff

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Speaker 5: going down with Ralph Laurin. You know, in the midst

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Speaker 5: of all the things that brands are doing to dial

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Speaker 5: back on their commitments to us. What they haven't dialed

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Speaker 5: back on is taken from the culture. So the culture

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Speaker 5: vulture conversation, UH today will be really powerful, especially because

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Speaker 5: the founder of Actively Black, Lanny Smith, will be joining

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Speaker 5: us and I cannot wait to hear what he has

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Speaker 5: to say about this latest collection from Ralph Lauren, which

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Speaker 5: y'all got.

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Speaker 3: Mmm, I'm interested. Did you first of all, did you

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Speaker 3: coin that phrase culture culture?

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Speaker 5: Come on now, No, I'm not that kind of culture

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Speaker 5: vulture to.

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Speaker 3: C that's great, that's great, good, good work, good work,

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Speaker 3: team Gaza. I want to, you know, just put a

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Speaker 3: little bit of attension on the humanitarian crisis that's underweight.

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Speaker 3: It's been there, but we've never seen anything like this

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Speaker 3: that's been so willful, and I think we should just

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Speaker 3: talk a moment about it and and continue to put

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Speaker 3: as much attention on this issue as possible.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I echoed that.

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Speaker 1: You know, I always like to have an interactive conversations

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Speaker 1: weeks to hear what our viewers have to say. So

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Speaker 1: I'm always excited to talk about that. But you know,

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Speaker 1: something that we didn't plan on talking about was this

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Speaker 1: whole middle aged conversation. And I actually enjoyed hearing y'all's

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Speaker 1: perspective on being middle aged and how to navigate that

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Speaker 1: do we want to spend time on that or do

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Speaker 1: we want to talk.

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Speaker 3: About that more at some point. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: it's today, but I'm I wanted to actually your trepidations,

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Speaker 3: your trepidations, and if we all had them at some point,

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Speaker 3: maybe we could just talk about what our trepidations might

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Speaker 3: be nervousness, you know, as we reflect back and look forward.

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Speaker 3: But maybe not today, yeah, future.

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Speaker 1: Since we're not talking about it today, we should invite

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Speaker 1: hear from folks who are middle aged or on the

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Speaker 1: other side, young folks. We want you all to listen,

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Speaker 1: but this might not be a conversation for you to

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Speaker 4: So I would say, if.

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Speaker 1: You're on the other side of forty five, however old,

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Speaker 1: that is like Gammy. I love Gammy, y'all know, I

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Speaker 1: love Gammy Jada's mom, but like she lives such a

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Speaker 1: great life and looks amazing. So if you're on the

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Speaker 1: sixty five, We would love to hear from you about

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Speaker 1: what we have to look forward to. Any advice you've

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Speaker 1: navigated in your life peestfully women like what our bodies

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Speaker 1: are going through and frozen shoulder and getting hot all

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Speaker 1: the time and perrymnopause and menopause and all the things.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, we should get those.

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Speaker 1: If you all send in your clips, your comments or questions, testimonials,

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Speaker 1: we can definitely have that conversation.

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Speaker 3: I love that invitation.

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Speaker 7: What's something Nigga, lamb Pie, Andrew Angela and miscros?

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Speaker 6: Nah? I do that, dude?

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Speaker 3: He was over I don't.

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Speaker 6: I have a quick question though social media. I joke

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Speaker 6: if you guys have then then I don't know. I

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Speaker 6: just haven't seen it. But why don't you guys like

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Speaker 6: talk about fan base or or on fan based.

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Speaker 7: Maybe are I haven't seen it.

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Speaker 6: I haven't really.

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Speaker 5: Looked for you.

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Speaker 6: But I'm just curious because, like Isaac Hays is right now, he's.

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Speaker 7: Allowing the black people were not just black people with

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Speaker 7: people to like have equity into fan base like and

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Speaker 7: the and they're a public they're private right now. And

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Speaker 7: you know, if this is not that we were able

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Speaker 7: that before it became for it with public like that

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Speaker 7: would have changed so many people's lives. But I'm just

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Speaker 7: curious because like, obviously, if you own social media, if

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Speaker 7: you can't be kicked off certain things and all of

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Speaker 7: that nonsense. Plus it's just a space for us to

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Speaker 7: go and to talk about something we want to talk about.

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Speaker 7: And again, I on this ship, So why don't you

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Speaker 7: guys like kind of not really promote but like beyond

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Speaker 6: Sob I'm just curious.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I know it's not as big as the

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Speaker 6: So I was just curious.

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Speaker 1: So I love that question. And we had a question

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Speaker 1: country I think he like as a store in Africa.

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Speaker 1: I remember Roland and it's West Africa. I believe I

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Speaker 1: can't remember the country. So thank you for sending in

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Speaker 1: to him. You know, I find the question really interesting.

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Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I am not one hundred

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Speaker 1: percent familiar with the functions of fan base. Obviously, I

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Speaker 1: know about it. We know Isaac Hayes, the third, it's

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Speaker 1: his business, and Angela correct me if I'm wrong. You

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Speaker 4: Is he on the board?

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Speaker 6: Like?

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Speaker 4: What is his role? I know he has something to

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Speaker 5: I know that he's invested in it, but I don't

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Speaker 5: know if he's on the board. I will also confess

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Speaker 5: to not knowing enough about this and probably at the

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Speaker 5: risk of confessing too much, didn't really care for Isaac

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Speaker 5: Cay's during Stacy's election. He was supporting the white woman

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Speaker 5: also named Stacy. I was very irritated about that. But

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Speaker 5: you know, nope, but you know, I just I think

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Speaker 5: for me where I'm at now, and you all should

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Speaker 5: hold me to this as a sibling, Please help me

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Speaker 5: to this. We are in crisis, so none of that

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Speaker 5: shit matters. So I'm committed to right now. I see

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Speaker 5: I pulled it up. Tip to your point, get your

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Speaker 5: fan base equity now, invest today minimum of three ninety nine.

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Speaker 5: I'm committing to do that today to just show how

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Speaker 5: much the stuff that I was caring about and was

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Speaker 5: holding grudgus about really doesn't matter. And I also ask

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Speaker 5: our social team to start us an account.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, oh wonderful.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I just this is a quick parenthesis just to

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Speaker 1: say that Angela has has been on one when it

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Speaker 1: comes to that, like just driving the point home, like

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Speaker 1: I was mad about this, but it don't matter. We

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Speaker 1: in crisis and like really forcing us to let some

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Speaker 1: that perspective. I will commit I don't know exactly what

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Speaker 1: Angela did, but whatever she did, I will commit to

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Speaker 5: We each other blindly. It is my favorite thing about

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Speaker 3: I don't know what websters would say about that, but

440
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,119
Speaker 3: that's sort of how I view it now. If I

441
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 3: were saying someone was acting stuck up, that would be

442
00:21:55,040 --> 00:22:00,440
Speaker 3: something different than what I would associate with elite. I

443
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 3: don't know if either of you all are watching The

444
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 3: Gilded Age.

445
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 4: Don't say anything about it. I'm about this.

446
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 3: All I'll say so. Felicia Rashad has entered this season.

447
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,880
Speaker 4: I feel like, no, no, no, I'm not.

448
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,640
Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. All I'm

449
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 3: gonna say about it is with her entry into the show,

450
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 3: this idea of the really dynastic dynamism that exists within

451
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 3: the black community, that we are not all one thing.

452
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 3: You're gonna see if you watch that show, you'll see

453
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 3: that beautifully. I think uh demonstrated in this show the

454
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 3: fact that even post emancipation and not long after, you

455
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 3: had black folks who for generations already we're in you know,

456
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,439
Speaker 3: parts of this country vacationing and owning second homes and

457
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,679
Speaker 3: spending seasons there and we would never be associated with

458
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 3: having had that in our lineage. But I think that

459
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,919
Speaker 3: show will help to put it on full display. And

460
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 3: it was, honestly, I got to tell you, probably my

461
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 3: first time ever seeing a period piece like the Gilded

462
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 3: Age that did such a dynamic job with showing the

463
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 3: range of blackness, even though the show seems to be

464
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 3: centered around whiteness. If you have that impression, I would

465
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 3: ask you the challenge it and take another look.

466
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,880
Speaker 4: People, wasn't it been talking about it a lot.

467
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 5: I think that the elite conversation is very nuanced. I

468
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 5: think there are some people that see the word elite

469
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 5: and feel excluded. I just talked earlier about being at

470
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 5: the National Bar Convention and my first National Bar conventions

471
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 5: I went to as a law school student. I'm the

472
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 5: only lawyer in my family. My family's pretty well educated,

473
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 5: mostly college educated, but we didn't own a lot. My

474
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,679
Speaker 5: grandmother and this gets back to our conversation that we

475
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 5: were having a couple of weeks ago. My grandparents worked

476
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:59,679
Speaker 5: really hard. Grandmother was in a union at Boeing, grandfather

477
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 5: was is a pome importer. They worked very very hard

478
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 5: to buy the house they had and then when my

479
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 5: grandmother was older, she did a reverse mortgage. So that's

480
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 5: a property in our family that we didn't keep. I

481
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 5: had other members of my dad's family who owned their

482
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 5: homes and sold them. My mom's siblings owned their homes

483
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 5: and sold them. When I was a baby, my parents

484
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,880
Speaker 5: owned a home in a prestigious area in Sea, i'll

485
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 5: call it Madison Park. My dad fell upon hard times

486
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 5: and sold that. So we're not a family where there's

487
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 5: generational wealth that has been passed down. When my mom's

488
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 5: mom passed, she left some money, but it wasn't a lot.

489
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 5: So coming to this conference, this convention, when I was

490
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 5: in law school and I saw people who brought their

491
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,719
Speaker 5: children and their children are raised together, judges, kids playing together,

492
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 5: They have spouses, events and things, you know, joining the

493
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 5: links that I now have quit, but you know they

494
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,479
Speaker 5: had a link spouses and you're an era link and

495
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 5: all of these things. That is a part of black

496
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 5: elitism that is exclusionary. And I don't think it's by design.

497
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 5: It's they're trying to create spaces where they're saying this

498
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,199
Speaker 5: is okay. But for those of us who were not

499
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 5: born into it, it feels very isolating. It feels very like,

500
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 5: where do I belong? Where do I fit? And is

501
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,719
Speaker 5: there a space for me to on ramp my family

502
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 5: into this And I don't want to do that at

503
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 5: the exclusion of other black folks. So I just wish

504
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 5: that in those conversations, especially when you bring up W. E.

505
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 5: B where he talks about the talented tent, the talented

506
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 5: tenth was a reality, but it's not the vision, right,

507
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 5: And so I just would like for us to hold

508
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 5: true multiple things. One is that we need to figure

509
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 5: out a way to on ramp more black people and

510
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 5: it's something they so desperately and righteously deserve. But also

511
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 5: be aware of the fact that that we do create

512
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 5: these clicks for lack of a better term, or silos.

513
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 5: I'll say that feel like there's no that everybody doesn't belong.

514
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 5: So I just wish that we could knock out.

515
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 3: Some of that.

516
00:25:55,280 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 1: It's gonna be controversial, Yeah, okay, so how was you? No, No,

517
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: it's not a disagreement me. Andrew might be about to

518
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: say the same thing, So you go for it, Andrew.

519
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 3: No, So I'll just say my wife is was of

520
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 3: that right. So her daddy was a university president and

521
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 3: the Boulet. Her mother a LINK member, and she grew

522
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 3: up in Jack and Jill and all those groups that

523
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 3: I had no appreciation for whatsoever growing up because I

524
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 3: wasn't a part of any of that, and my family,

525
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 3: my parents very specifically didn't come from that kind of

526
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 3: upbringing a good home, but certainly not that you mentioned

527
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 3: that those groups then themselves go to become exclusionary. And yeah,

528
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 3: there is some exclusion to the sense that there are

529
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 3: certain qualifications that you have to meet in order to

530
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,959
Speaker 3: qualify for membership, as similar to sororities and fraternities. Right,

531
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 3: you can't be a Delta or an Aka or any

532
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 3: of the Divine Nine if you hadn't gone to college.

533
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 3: Otherwise you'd have to be honorary, right, You'd have to

534
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 3: be made an honorary member. So that even has criteria

535
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 3: to it. But I actually think these organizations serve a

536
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 3: really important and vital role at helping to keep those

537
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 3: who have ascended into certain levels of wealth and entry

538
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 3: into into certain echelons of society, who felt quite frankly,

539
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 3: that they didn't look around and see their peers, they

540
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 3: were surrounded by all white faces and places that they

541
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 3: found themselves either having to assimilate to you know, sort

542
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 3: of rich whiteness in order to be included, or you

543
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 3: found yourself really shying away from it, separating yourself, which

544
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 3: also has the effect of sort of stunt stunting your

545
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 3: your further evolution in those spaces, And what I think

546
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 3: some of these organizations do is they say, you're not

547
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 3: by yourself, brother, You're not by your self sister. Like together,

548
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 3: we may not be in the same company, we may

549
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 3: not own the same company, we may have be invested

550
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 3: in the same places, but we understand almost without speaking,

551
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 3: what the culture is that all of us have to

552
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 3: sort of deal with an encounter the same thing. For instance,

553
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 3: what do you call it? The the Masons, the Masonic organization,

554
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 3: which I have to tell you, I got to give

555
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 3: a hat off to the Masons and the Masonic lodges

556
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 3: in Florida because I wasn't a member when I ran

557
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 3: for governor, but when I was invited into their halls

558
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,479
Speaker 3: and to talk to their members, you you hit every

559
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 3: rung of society in those spaces. I have cousins who,

560
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 3: having dreamt of going to college, didn't go, don't want

561
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 3: to go, but are so high up within those organizations.

562
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 3: My grandfather was a member, my mother, my grandmother was

563
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 3: an Eastern Star, and they were working people. And you know,

564
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 3: my granddaddy cut yards and my grandmother made house and

565
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 3: raised you know, eighteen headed children, yes, by the same man, right,

566
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 3: And and they held those organizations, the Eastern Stars and

567
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 3: the and and my grandfather's Masonic Association like they were.

568
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,719
Speaker 3: They were family. They were family, and they had they

569
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 3: learned about organization and Robber's use of order, and they ascended.

570
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 3: And so I'll just say, yes, does it have its exclusion, Yes,

571
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 3: But I think back to a time where we were

572
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 3: in places where we just didn't have many camrades with us,

573
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 3: and that the only place you could go to find

574
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 3: it was probably church on Sunday. And short of that,

575
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 3: there were no professional organizations and otherwise that bought you

576
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 3: in and held you in your toughest of moments, you know,

577
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 3: stealed your body so you didn't feel like you had

578
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 3: to quit. And I think those organizations kind of serve

579
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 3: that really vital function.

580
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: Well, I I might be controversial still, I thought we

581
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: were going to say the same thing, but I appreciate

582
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: both your points. I think you know this isn't a

583
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: conversation necessarily with disagreement, though I imagine our viewers might

584
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: have some disagreement with us, and we welcomed that. Of course,

585
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: I'll drop us a video, and again, if you like

586
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: the conversation, please share it with a friend, because we'd

587
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,479
Speaker 1: love to make this more interactive. But I think, you know,

588
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: I grew up not elite at all, whatever the opposite

589
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: of elite is, Like, that's how I grew up. No

590
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: one in my family went to college, even like a

591
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: few people dropped out of high school.

592
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,479
Speaker 4: I mean, it was just not we didn't have money.

593
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of my family's on public assistance

594
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: and so, but we were you know, it's not like

595
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: we were out there panhandling. We just didn't come from

596
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: a lot. I when my life began to change, because

597
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: I made it change, there were times so I didn't

598
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: want to be around that. And I think this is

599
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: kind of a part of the conversation we'll have today

600
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: because the vineyard, for example, I have not enjoyed the

601
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: vineyard as much the past couple of years because I

602
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: think the crowd has changed.

603
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 4: Now.

604
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: The vineyard was a you know, a black beach where

605
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: black families could go and have safety and it still

606
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: exists like that. I think that's one of the beautiful things.

607
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: Like you when you are a black parent on the

608
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: vineyard and your twelve year old comes over and says, Mommy,

609
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: I just met Johnny. I'm going to his house moms

610
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: and dad. He's like, okay, bye, Like I don't have

611
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: to meet them, I don't have to know them. It's

612
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: impolite to lock your doors. Like it's just a community.

613
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: It's turned into like a Hollywood gathering now. And what

614
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: I loved about it is you just go get out

615
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: the beach hair. My hair would look like I licked

616
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: my finger and stuck it in a socket and I'm

617
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: walking down the street and it's all good and it's great,

618
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: and it was fine. Now like you see and weave

619
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: and lashes on the vineyard, you seeing heels to the

620
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: beach party. It's just a different environment and it's not

621
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: as down. People thought it was elite, but now it's

622
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: more like aspirationally elite, like because you saw the Obamas

623
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: went there, so now you want to go. But really

624
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: it was regular ass black folks who could afford a

625
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: second home or rent it a second home. For this summer,

626
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: and it was just a great safe time to relax

627
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: into who you were. All you do is pork chop

628
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: and sit on people's and it's just changed so much.

629
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: So there are spaces that I want to go that

630
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: are that everybody's not invited, and I don't think that's

631
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: a bad thing. There are places I can't go. I'm

632
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: not invited, there are rooms I can't get in. I

633
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. I think what's

634
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: bad is when you're in these spaces and you're looking

635
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: down on another space, when you feel like I'm in

636
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: this space and I am better than I am, you know,

637
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: subconsciously aspiring for white approval or white ness. I want

638
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: to live like white folks when really we're in these

639
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: spaces sometimes amongst ourselves, having a good time. But it

640
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: ain't no difference between me being here, you know, at

641
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: the ink well than it is between you at Edgewater

642
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: Beach in Cleveland or on the beach in Alabama. Like

643
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: wherever you are, you are my family and I am yours.

644
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: So that's my thought on black leaders. Yeah, I just

645
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: the only.

646
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 5: Other thing I'll say is, you know, the conflict week

647
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 5: in Martha's Vineyard, and I don't enjoy Martha's Vineyard at all.

648
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 5: Not because I do enjoy it once I get there,

649
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 5: but the process to get there is hell for me.

650
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 5: It's just and then the phone don't work and it

651
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 5: ain't got Uberla cars, which I know sounds very elitist.

652
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 5: But bear with me for two seconds, like I am

653
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 5: over it, y'all, as she asked, super rude situation. I

654
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 5: don't want to do it. So but what I do enjoy,

655
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 5: because my expectations are completely managed by it is alert.

656
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 5: I'm on the CBC Institute Board. Are Tunica Policy Conference

657
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 5: is the same week where most of the stuff is

658
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 5: popping off of Martha's Vineyard. That is like a big

659
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 5: black family reunion for me. That's where I'm gonna be

660
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 5: next week, and I cannot wait because it is not

661
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 5: no pretentious. The only thing I don't like is everything's fried.

662
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 5: I'm surprised to let us ain't fried. But it is

663
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 5: the time where, like I know, we can completely let

664
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Speaker 5: our hair down and it is chill. So that's the

665
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 5: black elitis in my life.

666
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: But you say Tunica is not elitists, and there are

667
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: people who would show up in Tunica and feel like

668
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: that's elitist.

669
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Speaker 4: I used to do the Tunica conference for years.

670
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: I enjoy it, but it just shows like, then what

671
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: what's elite to you? Might not even be elitian to

672
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: somebody like Oprah looking at our broke ass is.

673
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 4: On the vineyard like, oh, y'all enjoy we and maman.

674
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 5: We we have the south of Front, we have space exactly.

675
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 4: Have you been in space? Exactly?

676
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: But I could definitely see somebody going to Tunica feeling

677
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: like this bougie you know when I would love.

678
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 5: To meet them. I can't wait to go.

679
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: I got some people in my family who would feel

680
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: out of place at Tunica.

681
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 4: They would feel yeah, because I mean like.

682
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 5: To me to juice and space, no doubt about it.

683
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 3: Yes, So that the reason why certain because certain people

684
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 3: you can feel like you can let your hair down.

685
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 3: Congress Woman, this space because you understand the price of admission. Now,

686
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 3: if the price of admission was everybody and then some one,

687
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 3: those folks aren't coming anymore because the space that they

688
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 3: need in order to you know, lick everything off that

689
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 3: chicken bone, the space that they need for that to

690
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 3: happen has to be one of peers.

691
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 5: Remind me because the Negros looking everything off the chicken.

692
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, but they do that because it's a

693
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: safe space. Like everybody is not invited. You're not you

694
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: have to be invited to the Tunica Institute. It's like

695
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: there's a cost, like you're a sponsor, you're there is something,

696
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: there's a reason why you're there.

697
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 5: The locals is different. So that's why I.

698
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 3: Will also suggest that there are spaces that may not

699
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 3: cost what it costs to be in Tunica or hilton

700
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 3: Head Island for the week. That's where you know, our

701
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 3: Jay's family would go, and the presidents of universities Black

702
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 3: hbc US with vacation hilton Head Island together, if not

703
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 3: out of the country. But there are spaces that you

704
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 3: and I might not you know, necessarily choose or want

705
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 3: to be that you know where I grew up, where

706
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 3: you couldn't go into that particular establishment. You would not

707
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 3: feel at home, you would not feel comfortable. They may

708
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 3: not let you in, right, but one of my brothers

709
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 3: could probably be at home if he's not checking folks

710
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 3: at the door, and you know, or weekends, certain events

711
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 3: that that would be organized that way. So the I

712
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 3: guess what I'm saying exclusion I would like to look

713
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 3: at it not just from top down, but from bottom

714
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 3: up and center out and everything in between. Because there

715
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 3: are spaces in places, you know, regardless of who we know,

716
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 3: regardless of who we've brush shoulders with, that we are

717
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 3: not invited into, are not welcome into. And I'm not

718
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 3: talking about space and owning an island in Hawaii. I'm

719
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 3: talking to you know, other other parts of our society.

720
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 3: And so are they exclusionary, Yeah, they are exclusionary. But

721
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 3: these spaces are creating. I believe that they are created

722
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 3: largely for fellowship, but to serve a purpose, to create

723
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,959
Speaker 3: an at home feeling, or to create some atmosphere where

724
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 3: the people who are in that room feel completely at home,

725
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 3: feel completely at ease, and feel protected by those who

726
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 3: are around them. My dad used to tell me growing up,

727
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 3: and again, he was a construction worker, my mother drove

728
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 3: school buses. Son, never hang out with anybody who's got

729
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 3: less to lose than you might, because his point was

730
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 3: they'll take They don't calculate risks the same way you do.

731
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 3: They don't see, you know, the trouble the same way

732
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 3: you might see it, and it'll drag drag everybody down,

733
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 3: and so you know, and he wasn't talking about class

734
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 3: and how much money you make. He simply meant, if

735
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 3: you didn't value what you did and bring to it

736
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 3: the same ethic that that that I do, in the

737
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 3: same protection I do, then we're not gonna roll smooth

738
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 3: together because you're gonna put me in some situations or

739
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 3: I may put you in some situations that you otherwise

740
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 3: would never have been in had you had you stayed

741
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 3: at your speed.

742
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: Well, I wanted to get to to Gaza, but we're

743
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: gonna save that because Lanny's gonna join us. Yeah, but

744
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: this has been a good conversation I think to be

745
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: really interesting to hear from Lanny Smith, who was, of course,

746
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: as Angela said, the founder of Actively Black, and he's

747
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: going to share his thoughts on Ralph Lauren and what

748
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: we're talking about when we say Ralph Lauren is Ralph Lauren.

749
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: Some months ago or some years ago actually launched a

750
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 1: line with more House Spelman emblems on them, so you know,

751
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 1: again at the very elite HBCUs And this year they

752
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: have launched an Oak Bluffs line. Oak Bluff's is the

753
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: blackest neighborhood of Martha's Vineyard historically black beach, like I said,

754
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: where families would go and congregate and stay really for

755
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 1: a sense of safety and belonging at a time where

756
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: they were not welcome elsewhere. Their dollars were not welcome,

757
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: their bodies were not welcome. And so Ralph Lauren is

758
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: obviously not a black owned company. But in their effort

759
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: to quote unquote be inclusive and DEI, they have launched

760
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: this line and their beautiful black models modeling the clothes.

761
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: But at issue a lot of you have raised, is

762
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: is this cultural appropriation or is it cultural appreciation? And

763
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: how do we feel when brands take our culture and

764
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: profit off of them? Even if Angela made a point

765
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: on our car earlier? But what if the creative director

766
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 1: is black? What if you know the vps are black?

767
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: How many black people work for this company? Or should

768
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: we be supporting our own and can both of these

769
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: concepts exist in commerce and in the marketplace?

770
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Speaker 5: Oh yes, I know, before we get actively Black with

771
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 5: Lanny Smith, We're gonna take a quick break. All right,

772
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 5: good brothers, so good to have you on. Thank you

773
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 5: for all the history you're making with actively Black, breaking

774
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 5: the Internet, and you have managed to do that again

775
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 5: getting Roberrand together. So I want to hear from you.

776
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 5: You know, from your perspective, they do have this black

777
00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 5: creative director more house, Brad. I always see you celebrating everything,

778
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 5: But I want to hear from you why this rubbed

779
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 5: you particularly wrong, this line they're launching.

780
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, to be honest with you, it wasn't that the

781
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 2: line rubbed me wrong, you know.

782
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 6: And I've actually been surprised at the.

783
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 2: Feedback because I said very similar things all the time

784
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 2: and the last time that they dropped the line. My

785
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 2: message is really to our people that I want us

786
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,439
Speaker 2: to value us. I want us to value black owned

787
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 2: in the way that we value everybody else's stuff.

788
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 6: You know what I mean.

789
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 2: Shout out to you know, the black creative director over

790
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 2: there at Ralph Lauren. Like I said, I committed them.

791
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: I think it's a beautiful collection and very well done.

792
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: But there's something to be said about how we view

793
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 2: ourselves and how we treat our black on brands, and

794
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 2: to me, what I feel like is part of an

795
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 2: inferiority complex where we value European designer and white designer

796
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 2: in a way that we don't value ourselves and with

797
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 2: what I'm building with Actively Black, you know, the tagline

798
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 2: is there's greatness in our DNA, And that's very intentional

799
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: because I want our people to understand that the centuries

800
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 2: and centuries of oppression have subconsciously seeped into some of

801
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 2: our minds where we actually believe some of the lies

802
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 2: we've been told that we're less than, that we're not

803
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 2: as smart as and so sometimes we look to these things.

804
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 6: Of what we buy and what we wear to.

805
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 2: Validate ourselves as if, you know, being invited to a

806
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 2: seat at the table makes us feel better about ourselves.

807
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 2: And I'm just trying to say, let's stop stop being

808
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 2: so happy about being invited to the seat at the table.

809
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 2: Let's build our own table, you know what I mean.

810
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 2: Like we are the source, we are the sauce. We

811
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 2: are the seasoning that everybody else takes, repackages and then

812
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 2: sells back to us. And so it really was nothing

813
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 2: against Ralph, Lauren or Polo or what they're doing. I'm

814
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: not anti anybody. I'm just for us. More So, I

815
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: wanted to make sure I clarify that because I got

816
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 2: a lot of people coming at me sideways, you know,

817
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 2: and I'm like, yo, I didn't say anything bad about them.

818
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 2: I didn't say anything against them. What I did present

819
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 2: were facts, and the facts were that Ralph Lauren said himself,

820
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 2: this is a quote by him, this is on their website,

821
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: that he was unaware of these issues facing black America

822
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,919
Speaker 2: until the events of twenty twenty. And he actually sat

823
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 2: down in a company meeting with who the judge chator

824
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 2: names post George Floyd Breonna Taylor, and he sat down

825
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 2: in a teen meeting about the racial awakening, and James

826
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 2: showed him a yearbook of a Morehouse yearbook, and he

827
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: was impressed with, you know, the fashion that.

828
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 6: He saw there.

829
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 2: And then he decided, Hey, we need to revisit how

830
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 2: we are expressing the American dream. My only thing with

831
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 2: that is, bro we started in nineteen sixty six or

832
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 2: sixty seven. How were you unaware of our contributions to fashion,

833
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 2: to culture, to the world until twenty twenty.

834
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 6: So that makes me feel like there's a lack of.

835
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 2: Authenticity behind the scenes of what's actually going on with this.

836
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 2: When I look at the amount that they have committed

837
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 2: to giving to HBCUs, it's two million dollars to twelve

838
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 2: different schools over five years. Due to math, it comes

839
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 2: out to thirty three thousand dollars per school per year.

840
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 2: Ralph Lauren does seven billion dollars in revenue every single year.

841
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 2: What they giving back to these schools is really what

842
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 2: y'all buying this apparel for. They're not actually sacrificing anything

843
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: to give back to the community. That's all that I

844
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: was saying. I don't have anything against the collection. It's

845
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: beautifully done. I watched the video that accompanied out. It

846
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 2: was beautiful and how it told us story of you know,

847
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 2: Martha's vineyard and Oak Bluffs and the history of that.

848
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 2: I think that's commendable. I just think our people need

849
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 2: to understand who we are.

850
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 6: And why.

851
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 2: We should aspire to us These aspirational brands that sell

852
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 2: this lifestyle and this image that is not us. I

853
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 2: think we just we get caught up and chasing that.

854
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 2: And so I'm not anti Ralph Lauren and not anti

855
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 2: anybody else. I'm just pro us well speaking.

856
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 3: The most coaching argument you've heard. I'm sorry you said

857
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 3: go ahead.

858
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 5: Speaking, yeah, speaking of as a mentality landing, And I'm sorry, Andrew,

859
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 5: will let you follow up here because I think one

860
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 5: of the things that's really important is a lot of

861
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 5: brands get our culture enough to package and to sell

862
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 5: to us. We always are talked about in the in

863
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 5: the frame of our collective buying power. We're never talked

864
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 5: about in terms of our ownership. And the one stat

865
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 5: that does come up when we talk about the dollar

866
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 5: recycling in the black community is that maybe that happens

867
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 5: one time over. So what I hear you saying is like,

868
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 5: I'm trying to shift us out of the mentality of

869
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 5: supporting a brand that throws a bone to us that

870
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 5: really is about taking something back from our community, which

871
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 5: is keeping us in the consumer mentality. Can you talk

872
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 5: about how actively Black is trying to shift out of

873
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 5: that because you're building an ecosystem around black owners beyond

874
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 5: the actively black family one thousand percent.

875
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 2: Mackenzie released a report I think it was last year

876
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 2: that showed that Black Americans spend thirty billion dollars a

877
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 2: year on apparel and shoes. So we know that the

878
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 2: larger number of our collective buying power, but specifically on

879
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 2: apparel and shoes, it's thirty billion a year and they're

880
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 2: projecting by twenty thirty that number is going to double.

881
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 2: We don't have a single black owned apparel brand that's

882
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: doing a billion. So if we our people are spending

883
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 2: thirty billion a year on apparel and we don't have

884
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 2: a single black owned apparel brand that is worth a

885
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 2: billion dollars, that's something wrong internally. That's something that we

886
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 2: need to be facing and talking about ourselves.

887
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 6: And so part of what we're doing actively black.

888
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 2: We just launched one cotton line that all of the

889
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 2: product is made from cotton grown by black farmers. And

890
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 2: I wanted to take this a step further with not

891
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 2: just the end product, but a black owned supply chain, right,

892
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 2: And so you know, I've got a couple of the

893
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,919
Speaker 2: pieces here, you know the hoodie, you know the back

894
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 2: of it, it says made.

895
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 6: From cotton grown by black farmers. You know what I mean?

896
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 6: Like this?

897
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 2: And so when you think about the history that our

898
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 2: people have with cotton in this country, you have to

899
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 2: understand that there were trillions of dollars in today's value

900
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 2: that were generating off the backs of our labor for

901
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 2: cotton during slavery, that we didn't get a chance to

902
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 2: have any of the ownership of the value that we created.

903
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 2: And so I look at this as you know, we

904
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 2: ain't waiting all reparations. This is this is reclamation, you

905
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like, that's that's really, that's what

906
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 2: this that's what this hoodie that's part of that collection,

907
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 2: that's what it's. It's it's symbolizing. Is if we're spending

908
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 2: thirty billion dollars a year on apparel, we imagine what

909
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 2: one percent shifting one percent of that spend to a

910
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 2: black on supply chain. Does you know Black farmers have

911
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 2: lost ninety percent of their land since nineteen twenty. We

912
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 2: used to own between eighteen to twenty million acres of land.

913
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 2: We only own three million acres of land today. And

914
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,479
Speaker 2: with some of the anti DEI policies that this current

915
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 2: administration is implementing, black farmers are under attack again. Where

916
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 2: in the next ten years that might go down to zero.

917
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 2: That's a real possibility. And so what I'm saying is, Hey,

918
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 2: if we were already spending this money with everybody else

919
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 2: and generating wealth for everybody else, why not turn that inward,

920
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 2: generate that for us, And to your point, then that

921
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 2: dollar stays within the black community, because now there's a

922
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 2: black farmer that's getting paid for his cotton and his

923
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: labor in the fabric that we're making the product out of.

924
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,439
Speaker 2: And then we're turning around and we're donating to HBCUs,

925
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: we are funding programs that pay for mental health access

926
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,479
Speaker 2: for black men. We donate to Black Mama's Matter, where

927
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 2: we are fighting the abysmal maternal mortality rate, where black

928
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 2: women are dying at three times the rate of anybody

929
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 2: else in this country.

930
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 6: You know what I mean.

931
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 2: So when you're buying actively black, it's also going back

932
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 2: to the black community. When we're buying from everybody else,

933
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 2: none of that money is coming back to us. And

934
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 2: so that's that's what I'm trying to get our people

935
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 2: to see and to understand that's real.

936
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 3: I was initially going to ask you, letting, what is

937
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 3: the most cogent argument you've heard opposite your view? And

938
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 3: if if there isn't one that carries water for you

939
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,919
Speaker 3: that you've heard it's all nonsense, what are you hearing

940
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 3: most consistently from people who are pushing back on your position.

941
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 6: I haven't heard one.

942
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 2: I haven't heard one that makes sense that covers all

943
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,919
Speaker 2: the bases that we're talking about. Right, So, if it's

944
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 2: somebody who says something about oh, whether donating back to

945
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 2: the HPCUS. We just broke down with these numbers. Who

946
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 2: they are so pennies that doesn't Yeah, and I said

947
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,919
Speaker 2: this yesterday on my social media. I said, if you're

948
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 2: happy about getting an invite to sit at the table,

949
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 2: then you're willing to accept the crumbs that they give you.

950
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 2: I'm trying to build us a table that we own,

951
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 2: where we can feast on what we have created, which

952
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 2: is the most influential and valuable culture.

953
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:00,919
Speaker 6: On the planet. You know what I mean?

954
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 2: That everybody else sees our value, which is why they

955
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,919
Speaker 2: do what they do. When are we going to see

956
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 2: our value? You know what I'm saying. And so you know,

957
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 2: I've heard that. I've heard people even say, you know, man,

958
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,439
Speaker 2: Ralph has always been an ally to us, so why

959
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 2: are you saying? And I was like, where are you

960
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:26,280
Speaker 2: getting that from? Show me somewhere where that ally ship

961
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 2: has been manifested. You know, Like I said, there's a

962
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 2: lot of brands that came out with their performative declarations

963
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, and from my perspective, they're just shifting

964
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 2: what they've always done with their marketing strategies, which is

965
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 2: get a piece of the culture here, repackage it, sell

966
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 2: it back to this culture, and continue to profit off of.

967
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 6: Black people, you know what I mean.

968
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 2: And there hasn't been a counter argument that has actually

969
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 2: made any sense to me, to be honest with you.

970
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 3: What can I offer one It's not a counter argument,

971
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 3: but I would I would ask you this, and I

972
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 3: mean it necessarily is can can more than one thing

973
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 3: be true at a time? Which is to say, can

974
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 3: black folks be really proud of their being a creative director?

975
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 3: For instance, at Ralph Lauren Polo or what Pharrell has

976
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 3: done with Louis Vuitton. I'm sorry, I got that brand wrong. Yeah,

977
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 3: he's that's right, that's Libton and and black people feel

978
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 3: a sense of pride about the fact that we have

979
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 3: been able to if you will infiltrate big white, largely

980
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 3: white lead companies, organizations and infuse it with our cultural experience,

981
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 3: our heritage and what you know, frankly, the culture of

982
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 3: of of of of the black community of the day

983
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 3: and maybe of the past. Even so, I guess some

984
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,720
Speaker 3: of some of what I would assess my be pushback

985
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 3: would be, we don't have to we don't have to

986
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 3: squat on what the brother from Morehouse is doing. You know,

987
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 3: there can't we have that and also build at the

988
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 3: same time. I'm offering that as just a thought that

989
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 3: I think some folks may have, and I'm curious how

990
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 3: you might respond to to what I think is probably

991
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 3: a pretty popular reason to pushback folks might have to

992
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 3: what they're hearing.

993
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you the reason why I don't understand

994
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 2: that pushback is because there was never anything that I

995
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 2: said that the means what James has done and what

996
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 2: he's building it is. Everything that I said was congratulatory.

997
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.

998
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 2: I expressed how beautiful the collection is. I've expressed that

999
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 2: it's beautiful that he's able to tell this story with

1000
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 2: the platform that he has. So to me that that pushback, honestly,

1001
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 2: I feel like, is one misguided and two I almost

1002
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 2: feel like it's an intentional I don't want to go

1003
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 2: as far as say gaslight, but it's like, bro, I

1004
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 2: didn't say nothing bad about James. I didn't say nothing

1005
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 2: bad about the collection, so there is nothing against that.

1006
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is if you're willing to pay one

1007
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty eight dollars for a T shirt because

1008
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 2: it's got Polo on it. But then you are complaining

1009
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 2: that a black owned shirt that is helping black farmers

1010
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 2: is sixty dollars that you can replace. Take Polo, Ralph

1011
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 2: Lauren off it, but you can replace that brand with

1012
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 2: anything else, Gucci, Louis Vataran, whatever you want to put

1013
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 2: on it. The statement remains the same. If you're valuing

1014
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 2: somebody else's stuff more than you value our stuff that's

1015
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 2: actually giving back to us. There's an internal problem that

1016
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 2: we got to look in the mirror and face. So again,

1017
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 2: big up to James, big up to Pharrell, big up

1018
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 2: to all of them. But I will also say this,

1019
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 2: choose my words carefully, but I will also say this,

1020
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 2: As you said, two things can remain true, right, So

1021
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 2: we can be happy that James has ascended to being

1022
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 2: the creative director there. We can be happy that Pharrell

1023
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 2: is the head men's designer at Louis Vuitton and also

1024
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 2: acknowledge that those brands are still utilizing them to profit

1025
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 2: from the culture. Those two things can exist. And you know,

1026
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 2: I've had this. I've had this argument in a different

1027
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 2: context where I went to the University of Houston. That's

1028
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 2: why I played my college basketball. So my dream was

1029
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 2: a play in the NBA. Signed with the Sacramento Kings

1030
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 2: in two thousand and nine, was blessed to achieve my

1031
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 2: dream of making to the NBA. And I played my

1032
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 2: basketball at the University of Houston. And I've had people

1033
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 2: who are HBCU along like, well, you didn't go to

1034
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 2: an HBCU. You went to a PWI, right, And so

1035
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 2: what I always threw back to them is, but I

1036
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 2: see you selling break going to HBCU, and then you

1037
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 2: celebrate going to work for a white company. You're celebrating, Oh,

1038
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 2: I went to Morehouse, but now I'm at Google. I

1039
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 2: went to Morehouse, but now I'm at Rolf Lawren.

1040
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 6: So you are.

1041
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 2: Proud of the accomplishment of achieving this position at a

1042
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 2: white company, but you're the The flawed logic is that

1043
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 2: because I went to a publicly white school, that somehow

1044
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,720
Speaker 2: that diminishes my stance on these things for our people,

1045
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:32,479
Speaker 2: that that doesn't that doesn't make.

1046
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 6: Sense to me. So so.

1047
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 2: The the the history of colonization has showed us that

1048
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 2: these entities will purposely elevate some of us so that

1049
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 2: they continue to have an avenue to sell to the

1050
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 2: rest of us. You know what I'm saying like that,

1051
00:55:55,680 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 2: that's just the facts of what has been happening across history,

1052
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So I'm proud of for real,

1053
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,280
Speaker 2: if that was his personal goal for him to achieve

1054
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 2: that position. Of course, I'm happy for anybody to live

1055
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 2: their dream, to chase their dream. But as you said,

1056
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 2: two things can also remain true at the same time.

1057
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 2: Don't think that Louis Vatan doesn't know that what the

1058
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 2: culture has meant to their brand. Don't think that Ralph

1059
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 2: Lauren doesn't know what the culture has meant to his

1060
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,280
Speaker 2: brand and how this helps continue to sell to our people.

1061
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yourn is then not giving you anything.

1062
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, Lanny, I just want to hop in here.

1063
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 4: One.

1064
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,720
Speaker 1: I just I really appreciate your thoughts and your perspective here,

1065
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: and I want to apologize. You know, I tried to

1066
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: tell my co hosts that you did play in the NBA.

1067
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 6: She gave us undown I didn't know lifetime ago. So

1068
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 6: don't worry about that.

1069
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: I just I just I get tired of always having

1070
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: to explain and tell them about sports things. But anyway,

1071
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: one thing that happens in our sartorial legacy when it

1072
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: comes to couature in fashion, I would you know, use

1073
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: Ivy Park as an example. They you know, would give

1074
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: these like beautifully packaged outfits and it would arrive on

1075
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: like these influencers doorsteps are like you know, actresses and

1076
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: journalists and writers and and and whatnot. I'm curious, is

1077
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: actively black? Do you need our addresses? Do you like

1078
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:30,919
Speaker 1: personally deliver? How do we get our hands on this

1079
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: product by.

1080
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 3: Infiltrating native he just.

1081
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 5: Go to actively drifting?

1082
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 2: Would I would appreciate you know what I'm saying that

1083
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 2: the patronage of the business and buying the product, but

1084
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 2: also I do understand the value of our cultural influencers

1085
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 2: being able to utilize the platform and their and their

1086
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 2: followings to help bring attention to, you know, a black

1087
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 2: owned brand.

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00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 6: I mean, honestly, what you just said is something that

1089
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 6: I've also battled with.

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00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 2: I've had several conversations with different Black celebrities and cultural influencers,

1091
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 2: and I would actually offer, hey, let me send this

1092
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 2: to you, you know, would love your opinion on it,

1093
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 2: and if you feel led to. I'm not asking this,

1094
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 2: I'm not saying sentence to you in exchange for a post.

1095
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 2: But if you feel led to share this with your people.

1096
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 6: I would love that. And it's been.

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00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 2: Heartbreaking because some of those responses have been, yeah, I

1098
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 2: need a hundred K for this post. But I see

1099
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 2: you posted wearing Nike, and.

1100
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 6: I see you posting Baton and you who I'm not

1101
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 6: gonna get again. I'm gonna tell you, I'm not gonna

1102
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 6: get to that game.

1103
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 5: It's because I want accountability in this moment.

1104
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 3: It's so pervasive though, That's what.

1105
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, but y'all are like what he's saying. I saw

1106
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 5: that on State of the People. We are literally trying

1107
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 5: to give people relief. So I want Landy to drop names.

1108
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 5: I'm ready to drop names.

1109
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 8: What we're doing, I mean what I PRESI let's let's

1110
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 8: make sure we do another episode and we could do

1111
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 8: a drop names because because one of the reasons is.

1112
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 6: I got a long list. You know what I'm saying,

1113
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 6: it's a lot.

1114
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 2: And I say heartbreaking because there's some people that you know,

1115
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 2: sometimes they'll tell you, man, don't ever meet your heroes.

1116
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. They'll disappoint you.

1117
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 2: Because there are people that public facing you think, oh

1118
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 2: they for the culture, they're for us, they for the people,

1119
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 2: and then I talked to them and it's like, yeah, bro,

1120
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 2: I love what you're doing, but yeah, it's gonna be

1121
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 2: it's gonna be fifty K.

1122
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 6: It's gonna bee hundred K for me to post this.

1123
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:52,439
Speaker 6: And I'm like, bro, but.

1124
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 2: I see you wearing other brands that's not paying you,

1125
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 2: and you're posting antagging them because you think that's giving

1126
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 2: you some sort of.

1127
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 4: Like social validation.

1128
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what's more validating than than who you are,

1129
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 2: who your people are.

1130
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:11,959
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying?

1131
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 2: Like, that's the thing that I just it wrecks my brain.

1132
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 2: It breaks my heart because I just I can't under

1133
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 2: I can't understand it. I just I did a post

1134
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 2: a few days ago Pharrell actually invited when we outfitted

1135
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 2: Team Nigeria in the in the Paris Summer Olympics, Pharrell

1136
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 2: invited us to an event. It was held at the

1137
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 2: Louis Vuitton headquarters. And as part of getting an invite,

1138
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,919
Speaker 2: you know you could be outfitted in Louis Vuitton, right,

1139
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 2: And I respectfully rejected that and I hit up House

1140
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 2: of Gray Black owned they make high end fashion and apparel,

1141
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 2: and I was like, bro, I need you to make

1142
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 2: the outfit for me and my girl. We going to

1143
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 2: this Louis Vuitton event in Paris for the Olympics, and

1144
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 2: and you could check the post right now, I tagged

1145
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 2: all the black brands I was wearing. I had a

1146
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 2: black on watch, my everything I got on that everything

1147
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 2: I got on this black owned And I was like,

1148
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 2: if I'm gonna be on that platform and Getty gonna

1149
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 2: be there taking these pictures and I'm there with Pharrell

1150
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 2: and Lebron and the rest of them, I'm gonna make

1151
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 2: sure people see these black on brands that I'm wearing

1152
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 2: because and I didn't charge nobody for that, because what

1153
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 2: does that cost.

1154
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 6: Me to do? You know what I'm saying.

1155
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 2: And the crazy part about that is when I posted

1156
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 2: it originally, there were people that went to that black

1157
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 2: on watch brand and bought watches because they found out

1158
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 2: about it because I shared it, you know what I'm saying, Like,

1159
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 2: to me, there's nothing more valuable than that I was

1160
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 2: able to put some money in the pockets of another

1161
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 2: black man that's an entrepreneur that's trying to build his business.

1162
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 2: And I don't need no payment for that, you know

1163
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So I'm walking this. I'm not just

1164
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 2: talking this, I'm walking this. If you're not, I'm wearing

1165
01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 2: another black on brand and I'm shouting them out.

1166
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: Well, what we can commit, what we can commit to, Lanny,

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01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 1: I definitely will commit to buying something actively black, but

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01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: not just actively black. But there are other, you know,

1169
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 1: black owned brands, high end, ath leisure, all kinds. Yeah,

1170
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 1: a lot of people are like into like, oh, I'm

1171
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: lacking lubatons and red bottoms. There's a wonderful black woman's

1172
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: shoe designer, Saloon Monet, who has like comfortable and they're

1173
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 1: comfortable shoes. So I'm thinking of all the black owned

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01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 1: brands I know, and I can definitely commit to patrioting

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01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 1: your brand, but also other black owned brands. And you

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01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: do have to come back because we're coming up on

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01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 1: time unfortunately, but we would love to have you back.

1178
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: When you come back, I would invite you.

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01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 4: To name names.

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01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 1: But also just in this moment, initiate a challenge, uh

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01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: to the marketplace. I got to invest in our Okay,

1182
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 1: go for it.

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01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 4: We're entering our calls to action. So this is perfect.

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01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 4: What's your call to actually, Lanny?

1185
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 2: So this year will be the thirty year anniversary of

1186
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 2: a millionaire march, right, And when I think about what

1187
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 2: it took for a million black people to go to

1188
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 2: DC in that moment, you know, you had to buy

1189
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 2: a plane ticket, bus ticket, gas money, pay for food,

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01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 2: get your hotel. You paid more than sixty dollars in

1191
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 2: order to do that, and you had to get up

1192
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 2: and physically leave and go do something. I want to

1193
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:19,479
Speaker 2: sell a million of these shirts that are grown from

1194
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 2: cotton from black farmers because for multiple reasons, but one

1195
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 2: as a social experiment to show us what we can

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01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 2: do with group economics when we turn our influence and

1197
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 2: all the things that we do for everybody else when we.

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01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 6: Turn that inward. I would.

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01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 2: And so with that, with that million shirts sold, what

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01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 2: that's gonna do. It's gonna generate over twenty million dollars

1201
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 2: that we're gonna actually give back to the black community.

1202
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 2: So I'm not only am I telling you what. I'm

1203
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 2: gonna tell you what we're committing to from actively black

1204
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 2: standpoint is sixteen million of that is going to black farmers.

1205
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 2: We're gonna take two million dollars to donate to HBCU schools.

1206
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 2: We're gonna take another two million and I'm going to

1207
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:05,959
Speaker 2: create some business grants for black business owners because people

1208
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 2: don't know black founders received less than one percent of

1209
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 2: all venture capital money. All venture capital money, black founders

1210
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 2: received less than one percent. So when we get on

1211
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 2: these platforms like why don't we have a black on this?

1212
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 2: So why don't we have a black on this? I'm

1213
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 2: actually trying to build something for our people. So that's

1214
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 2: my action hedel that I'm saying, thank you, so maya

1215
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 2: cotton shirt that's made from cotton grown by black farmers.

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01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 6: We are loving we can build for us.

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01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Land, We so appreciate you. Thank

1218
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 1: you for joining Native Land. We are on it. We

1219
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 1: love that call to action and please definitely come back

1220
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 1: once you meet that that that goal. We would love

1221
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 1: to maybe co brand NLP sweatshirts and we'll all be

1222
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 1: wearing actively black NLP sweatshirts. But thank you so much again,

1223
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 1: brother for joining us. We appreciate you, We love you, Senny,

1224
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:57,479
Speaker 1: you must love and hopefully we invite our audience to

1225
01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: meet the challenge.

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01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 4: So that's our first GON actively. Thank you, n.

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Speaker 3: We promise you a conversation on guys. It's a little heavy,

1228
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 3: but it's one worth having. Stay tuned.

1229
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 1: It's time to shift the calls. The accent I really

1230
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 1: love I mean, he set up a good call to

1231
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 1: accent like we was awesome.

1232
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:30,919
Speaker 3: I can't match it. I actually want to double down

1233
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 3: on it, because what is unfortunate is a lot of

1234
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 3: these black entrepreneurs can't just sell a great product. They

1235
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 3: can't just create a great design and put it out there.

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01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 3: They're also tasked with the huge challenge of changing minds,

1237
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 3: changing mindsets, shifting culture shifting I mean basically taking on

1238
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 3: the vestiges of of of racism and white supremacy.

1239
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, before you can get to the you.

1240
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 3: Know what they've been established for. I know in the

1241
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 3: opening of the show, we talked about wanting to dive

1242
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 3: a little bit more into Gaza on fear that it

1243
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 3: won't be you know, this will be a crisis that

1244
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 3: we're going to have to continue to address over the

1245
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 3: coming weeks and months. I wish that we could turn

1246
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 3: this thing around. We may not be able to, but

1247
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 3: I know who can. Who can turn this thing around immediately?

1248
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 3: And in the suffering of children and women and families

1249
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 3: who have not picked up a weapon and are not

1250
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 3: at war with anybody. They're in the survival fight of

1251
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 3: their lives due to malnutrition and the inability for aid

1252
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 3: organizations who are lined up at the gate ready to

1253
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:53,479
Speaker 3: deliver food, badly needed food to people. And the one

1254
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 3: person who can change this is Benjamin nettan Yahoo of Israel,

1255
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 3: who at one point allowed food to flow into Gaza

1256
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:05,919
Speaker 3: and to meet the needs of the people there even

1257
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 3: in wartime, who has basically shut the borders, created only

1258
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 3: four sights for distribution to serve a starving people. And

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01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 3: it's heart wrenching the watch. It's worse over that as

1260
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 3: a country, we're aiding and a betting and the senseless

1261
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 3: deaths we're funding. We're funding, aiding a betting and providing

1262
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 3: cover yea to this heartless no doubt about it, genocide

1263
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 3: that is underway in this region of the world, and.

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01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 6: No one deserves it.

1265
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 3: And I'm appreciative of the European Union, France, Great Britain

1266
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 3: who have all said that if this situation does not change,

1267
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 3: that they will recognize the Palestine in state as a

1268
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 3: free state and a member of the diplomatic community. It

1269
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 3: should have already been done, but in the absence of

1270
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 3: a two state solution. They are forging ahead with a

1271
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 3: two state solution through diplomatic acknowledgment of Palestine as a

1272
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 3: free state. And I wish that we had the courage

1273
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:25,560
Speaker 3: here in America to get back to some moral leadership

1274
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 3: if we can muster it and help to end this

1275
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 3: these senseless deaths and starvation happening aided and abtted by

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01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 3: the American tax ban dollar.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to yield my call to action just to

1278
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 1: echo your points, Andrew, because I think it's important for

1279
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:46,599
Speaker 1: people to understand where we are right now. As of

1280
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 1: this week, sixty one, seven hundred and nine people have

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01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 1: been killed, that include seventeen thousand, four hundred and ninety

1282
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 1: two children. Over one hundred and ten thousand people have

1283
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 1: been injured, over fifty nearly fifteen thousand are missing or

1284
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 1: presumed dead. The force displacement since the Israeli military has

1285
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 1: issued more than sixty five evacuation orders since October seventh,

1286
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 1: when the Hamas attack happened, left about eighty percent of

1287
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:17,679
Speaker 1: the Gaza Strip under evacuation orders. I'm going to disagree

1288
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 1: with you a bit you gave, you know, kind of

1289
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:24,760
Speaker 1: like a good on the EU, and I have to

1290
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 1: say I think these we are so beyond symbolic gestures

1291
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 1: at this point. The UK, France like, well, I'll start.

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01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 3: With the UK.

1293
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Speaker 1: The UK is the world's sixth largest economy. They in

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Speaker 1: this protest to Israel, have reduced the funding that they're

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Speaker 1: sending to Israel. America continues to fund this genocide, this

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Speaker 1: ethnic cleansing. I think if you really give a shit

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Speaker 1: about starving children, then you cut the funding off. That

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Speaker 1: is the only way to stop it. We are funding

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Speaker 1: children dying. I'm not impressed because you reduced your funding.

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Speaker 1: I'm not impressed. And I think Lanny just made a

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Speaker 1: good point about let's not settle for crumbs and pardon

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Speaker 1: the pun using this while we're talking about literally the

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Speaker 1: world standing by watching us fund the killing, the murder

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Speaker 1: of all these people Benjamin and Yahoo. Israel needs to

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Speaker 1: be an isolated state at this point. They are an

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Speaker 1: a moral, fanatical, far right white supremacist regime being funded

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Speaker 1: by the United States. And this is not specific to Trump.

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Speaker 1: This is over multiple administrations. They've controlled the airspace since

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Speaker 1: two thousand and seven, and it's just a disgusting thing

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Speaker 1: to see. We'll dive deep into this as we continue

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Speaker 1: to watch this. But I know this is something that

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Speaker 1: you wanted to talk about, Andrew, and so I'm yielding

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Speaker 1: my call to action just so we can get that

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Speaker 1: little bit of information out there. I know this is heavy,

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Speaker 1: and people, you know, we have a lot of heaviness

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Speaker 1: happening in our own lives and certainly right here in

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Speaker 1: our own country.

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Speaker 4: But this is dire. This is dire.

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Speaker 1: While we have the privilege in this country to turn

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Speaker 1: and look away and check out because we don't want

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Speaker 1: to feel uncomfortable, we cannot closing our eyes. Pretending it's

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Speaker 1: not happening doesn't mean it's not happening. And we always

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Speaker 1: say never forget, and again and again and again we forget,

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Speaker 1: and we stand by and let the atrocities of the

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Speaker 1: world happen.

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Speaker 4: My call to action is to not do that anymore. Angela.

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Speaker 4: I know that you have a call to action.

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Speaker 5: It's actually going to be a little different if I'm

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Speaker 5: given the time we are now and how serious it

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Speaker 5: was to be able to mention and lift up Gaza.

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Speaker 5: I just want to shout out we have an amazing

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Speaker 5: sister who has been a part of our social media team,

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Speaker 5: Angela White. Again, I have on my national Bar Association

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Speaker 5: celebrating one hundred years shirt and in this centennial, Angela

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Speaker 5: will be leaving us to go to law school. She'll

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Speaker 5: begin at Southern University Law School, and I'm just shouting

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Speaker 5: her out and encouraging her along the way. And for

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Speaker 5: every other young black attorney, I know right now you're

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Speaker 5: entering into a phase. You're like, Okay, we're interpreting the

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Speaker 5: line class and what does this mean in a lawless land?

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Speaker 5: I know that we will be better because of young,

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Speaker 5: sharp legal minds like Angela's and so many others. So

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Speaker 5: I am encouraged by you all, and my call to

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Speaker 5: action to every one of you is to stay encouraged

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Speaker 5: and be with courage and know you're not alone in

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Speaker 5: this moment.

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Speaker 4: Who is going to come up with the dope titles

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Speaker 4: of the now? Who is?

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Speaker 5: I know that you're gonna have to be You're gonna

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Speaker 5: have to be on call. Honey. She had one for today.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell y'all what her recommendations were today because

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Speaker 5: people don't normally get to hear this part.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, tell us.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna give you the two options that Ange put

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Speaker 5: in the in the thread. The first one was mind

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Speaker 5: the business that pays us or in parentheses or doesn't.

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Speaker 5: And then the second was fobo ain't free colon the

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Speaker 5: cost of black ownership.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 4: I love both choose.

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Speaker 5: And by the time they tune in to see they'll

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Speaker 5: have a will.

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Speaker 3: You But if you disagree you can.

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Speaker 5: Say so you guys. But I hope it'll be like

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Speaker 5: y'all go back and retat on this is I guess

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Speaker 5: something hotter for y'all drop.

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Speaker 4: Well we are at that time, guys.

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Speaker 1: I just want to again, I feel like today's conversation

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Speaker 1: was you know, philosophical in a lot of ways, and

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Speaker 1: so if you enjoyed what you hear, I hope that

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Speaker 1: you will listen with your friends, family, colleagues and start

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Speaker 1: having these conversations among yourselves. If you happen to have

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Speaker 1: a really interesting conversation, please drop us a video tell

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Speaker 1: us about it. If you have a comment, if you

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Speaker 1: disagree with something that any of us said, we want

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Speaker 1: to hear from you, and of course we invite you

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Speaker 1: to please subscribe like share, especially if you heard something

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Speaker 1: that that struck you, you know, send this and drop

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Speaker 1: the link to this and in the group chat, say girl,

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Speaker 1: listen to this or like Native Land was on one

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Speaker 1: this week, like drop it, share it. That's what we

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Speaker 1: ask you to do and leave us a review. Y'all

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Speaker 1: know I read the comment, So if you have a

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Speaker 1: comment to make, my eyes will likely see it. Please

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Speaker 1: do tune in to other shows on Recent Choice Network.

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Speaker 1: And you all know that we had Noah on our show.

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Speaker 1: So thirteen year old Noah, who you all met a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. The first episode of his show,

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Speaker 1: now you know, just dropped, so you all can check

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Speaker 1: that out. He interviews Mia from Real Housewives with her

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Speaker 1: boyfriend incognito. I'll reserve my comments there.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know anything about.

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Speaker 1: Them, so I don't know I saw Real Housewives. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's exactly. This is why you have to tune in

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Speaker 1: anyway that is available now. And our episode that we

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Speaker 1: did with Noah is going to air next week, so

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Speaker 1: please be sure to check that out as well.

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Speaker 5: Wait a minute, this is actually another great call to action,

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Speaker 5: bonus call to action. We actually we already had a

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Speaker 5: bonus week because we had Landy's. But speaking of fubuo, y'all,

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Speaker 5: if you like this content and you feel really tired

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Speaker 5: of Tiff nagging you about as being a person. We

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Speaker 5: need some more money. So the way you can do

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Speaker 5: that is by watching the show, sharing it like cry like, uh,

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Speaker 5: you know, we got some people on the team now

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Speaker 5: they got.

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Speaker 1: So it wasn't a bonus called action, just a re

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Speaker 1: agitation action.

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, it was a.

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Speaker 1: It was an a man corner called action. Because that

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Speaker 1: they hear from me, y'all heard it from two other people.

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Speaker 4: Tune in.

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Speaker 1: We are your hosts, Angela Rae, Tiffany Cross, and Andrew Gillam.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why we bother still saying this, but

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Speaker 1: just fyi, there are four hundred and sixty days until started.

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Speaker 3: Don't do it. Don't do it.

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Speaker 4: We say it because we have to fight with everything.

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Speaker 3: We have everything that's worse every.

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Speaker 5: And we still haven't even talked about redistricting yet on

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Speaker 5: this show.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, please tune in, Please tune in.

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Speaker 1: We'll keep We have like eighteen mini pods that we've

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Speaker 1: we have so many topics and if there's a topic

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Speaker 1: we're not talking about, drop us a video and say so,

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Speaker 1: because this is your table to sit at too.

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Speaker 4: So welcome home, y'all, Welcome home.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, the last morning, see thank you for joining the

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Speaker 9: Natives attention of with the info and all of the

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Speaker 9: latest rock gulum and cross connected to the statements that

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Speaker 9: you leave on our socios. Thank you sincerely for the

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Speaker 9: patients reason for your choice is clear, so grateful it

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Speaker 9: took to execute road for serve, defend and protect the truth,

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Speaker 9: even in paint.

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Speaker 6: We welcome home to all of the Natives. We thank you.

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