WEBVTT - Ep. 82: Secret Agent Man - Instinct (Part 3) 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:07.760 M well, yeah, first day I ever mad him. That's 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:09.920 what my buddy said that he was a game warden, 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:12.920 and I think, yeah, he said, yeah, I have guys 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:14.640 good right in and live with them. You know what 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:18.599 I'm thinking, Yeah, that's what we do. Wow. We're on 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:22.200 our third and final episode of our Secret Agent Man 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:27.520 series with undercover Ohio wildlife agent RT Stewart. On part one, 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:31.560 we learned about the big picture mechanics of undercover stings 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:35.040 and how RT was a pioneer in the early nineteen 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:39.400 nineties for the Ohio Department of Natural Resources. We learned 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:43.279 that humans don't do well with chronic stress and discuss 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:48.000 the personal toll placed on undercover agents and their families 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:52.560 because of it, And in a colimactic moment, I asked 0:00:52.760 --> 0:01:05.000 RT a cutting question, Was it worth it? You're too good? No? No, 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:08.000 it was no. I look back at it. If I 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:09.560 had to do it over again and I knew what 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:12.479 I knew right now, i'd to say no. But at 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:14.679 the time is the only thing I new and the 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:17.560 only thing I wanted to do. On the second episode, 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:22.680 RT told us about his biggest thing, Operation Redbud, where 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:25.959 twenty six men were convicted of over two hundred and 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:31.560 seventy five wildlife crimes. They were taken by total surprise. Probably, 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:35.520 I think we ended up resting that day people. That's 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:38.440 a major it was, and at that particular time, it 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:42.039 was the largest turkey poaching ring in the country. And 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:45.440 on this third episode, we're gonna hear about some close 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:49.520 calls where Urt was almost found out and explore the 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:53.840 idea of human instinct or having a sixth sense or 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:59.320 a premonition, but also how that compares with just pure wit. 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:04.760 Many believed decision making is purely based on observable data, 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:08.880 but it sounds like some of our subconscious decision making 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:12.840 mechanisms are hardwired into our d n A. We're gonna 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:16.280 hear about that from Dr Matthew Sharp's from the University 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:20.040 of California and Fresno. So we're gonna explore some of 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:23.480 Art's best stories of how he handled trouble and how 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:28.840 he used this uncanny wit and intuition to de escalate situations. 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:31.760 I really doubt you're gonna want to miss this one. 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:36.480 RT is calling a bird and uh, the other officer 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:40.679 just happens to let it slip out. Good calling RT. 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:44.960 So within a few seconds he comes back. Yeah, that's 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:48.600 why they call me a real turkey RT. Just that quick. 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:51.440 He smoothed it over so quickly and so well that 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:54.040 there was no question. And he did that time after 0:02:54.120 --> 0:03:05.480 time after time. My name is Clay Nukelem and this 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:09.639 is the Bear Grease Podcast, where we'll explore things forgotten 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:14.040 but relevant, search for insight and unlikely places, and where 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:17.840 we'll tell the story of Americans who lived their lives 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:23.280 close to the land. Presented by f HF Gear, American 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:27.520 made purpose built hunting and fishing gear that's designed to 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:37.240 be as rugged as the places we explore. The art 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:40.760 is working undercover at Lake Erie and the uh the 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:43.080 two main fish up there that people are poaching as 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:46.960 walleyes and yellow perch. So people are coming to Art. 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:51.440 They're selling him illegal walleyes, illegal perch, and at one 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:55.920 point again one of the bad guys accuses him of 0:03:56.600 --> 0:04:00.320 UH being a wildlife officer, and he's got a somehow 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:02.720 get out of it and prove that he's not so. 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:07.080 At that time, and he wore a white cowboy hat 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:10.000 a lot, especially when he gets dressed up, which I 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:11.800 think is very symbolic. You know, the guy with the 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:15.480 white cowboy hats the good guy, but that particular day, 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:19.720 he had a wire under his cowboy hat. Okay, so 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:24.760 he's recording this conversation, and so now he's got to 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:28.600 put on the front that he's not the wildlife officer. 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:32.640 So he accuses the other guy of being one, and 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:36.280 he said, he said, and I'll prove it. Let's strip 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:38.520 Let's strip down and we'll see who's wearing a wire 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:44.799 who's not. So he strips down to his underwear and 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:47.880 there's other people watching, and he demands the other guy 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:50.680 do the same thing. They both look at each other, 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:53.160 they both don't see a wire, and they go back 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:56.720 to being buddies a drinking beer. The only catches RT 0:04:57.000 --> 0:04:59.279 had the wire in the in his cowboy hat, which 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:03.800 he never took off. That's a great story. So that's 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:07.320 the types of things that when I talked about how 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:11.560 he could react so quickly, very very few people couldn't 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:16.159 do that. He did an absolutely a great job. That 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:19.720 was author Chip Grows. He wrote the book about Artie 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:24.280 Stewart's career called Poachers Were My Prey. Aside from cruising 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:27.520 around in the poach Coach is four by four undercover 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:31.719 van equipped with state of the art surveillance equipment. During 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:34.880 Artis time undercover, he was a master at thinking on 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:39.400 his feet and appearing to keep his cool under pressure. However, 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:43.640 just under the surface was the constant stress of being 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:47.320 found out by the bad guys, causing Art to live 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:51.839 in a constant state of fight or fight. Human response 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:56.880 to stress and unusual situations is interesting to analyze because 0:05:56.880 --> 0:06:00.320 it's during these times that the veneers of our personality 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:04.120 or any cheap socially accepted front we put on our 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:07.400 cleared away and we see what's really inside of us. 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:11.400 I often find myself disappointed when the outer layer of 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:15.760 this human shape puppet I live inside of is stripped off. 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:21.160 Often I over calculate my abilities to respond to stress. However, 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:26.159 when the systems are overridden and we flow on autopilot, 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:32.160 amazing things can happen. Sometimes. It's incredible humans have been 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:35.520 tropping around and getting themselves into pickles for so long. 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:39.120 I wonder if we have mechanisms at the DNA level 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:43.320 helping us. We've all heard about humans having a sixth sense, 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:47.760 but is that even real? I need to find out, And, 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:51.279 like I've said so many times before, I'm interested in 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:56.039 things that control us that we're completely unaware of. Here's 0:06:56.120 --> 0:07:00.600 Dr Matthew Sharps of the University of California, Fresno. He's 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:04.720 analyzing arties stripping off his clothes at a party and 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:08.799 demanding that the bad guy do the same. Dr Sharp's 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:14.120 is going to talk to us about script violations. That's 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:17.560 really brilliant. Yeah, because when you're suddenly surprised like that, 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:20.720 you go immediately into a very high level of fight 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.320 or flight, and that means a lot of the blood 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:26.200 resources you'd have for your prefrontal cortex and part of 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:28.280 the brain you actually think, the part of the brain 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:31.640 that is involved the cognitive flexibility. Sudden you don't have that. 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:33.520 So what are you gonna do a lot of people 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:36.360 suddenly they start stammering you, I'm not one. Maybe maybe 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:38.560 you're one. I'm not one, And suddenly there they've had it. 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:42.280 But that idea of shifting it into not only like 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:44.880 the rage like my friend in the anti drug world, 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:49.280 but into something very surprising. This this might be interested 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:52.760 in human beings often out in fact, pretty much on automatic. 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:54.280 You know, if I pick up a coffee cuple I'm 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:57.240 doing right now, it's not it's not something that I'm 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:59.240 thinking about. I just do it. But you have what 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:02.960 we call a script, the automatic automated sequences behaviors. Now, 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:05.000 if we say, okay, fair enough, here's a guy who doesn't, 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:07.240 somebody whoses it the other way. Okay, he has breakfast 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:09.080 before he gets up every day? Is he Richard poor? 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:12.480 Everybody knows he's Wretch's butler brings it to him. Right, Well, 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:15.000 here's a guy who had breakfast before you get up today, 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:18.720 but only today? Okay, is he's sick or well, everybody 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:21.280 goes sick. Now, nobody's been asking those questions before, but 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:24.400 we all know them because of the automatic scripts that 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:26.800 we deal with in our in our world. So that 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:29.880 what the challenge did was just brilliant. Okay, Because suddenly, 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:32.960 when you're challenged like that, stripping off all your clothes 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:35.120 and demanding that everybody else does too, that's a huge 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:39.120 script violation. It's a script interruption. You turn the tables, 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:41.720 the bad guys don't know what to do with you. 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:47.160 Then this sounds like a superpower being able to scramble 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:51.000 the bad guys social scripts, so they don't know what 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:53.679 to do with you. Who knew the bad guys were 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:58.680 such delicate social flowers. Social scripts are so deeply ingrained 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:01.560 in us that we don't even recognize we abide by 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:05.679 them until someone breaks one. The script change can be 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:09.840 so destabilizing that it re routes the focus of the moment. 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:13.920 You might try this in a benign situation when someone 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:17.840 confronts you on something. Do something surprising and put a 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:22.080 subtle question that demands response back from them. Don't be 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:25.800 a jerk or be deceitful. But sometimes people want something 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:28.240 from you that you can't give them, and you need 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:31.720 a way out. It's worth a shot. Our fight or 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:37.200 flight responses, though often not consciously calculated, are usually connected 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:42.079 back to our training, whether formal or informal. After interviewing 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:45.600 our Tea and seeing how many dangerous situations he was in, 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:50.199 I wondered if he was ever in any physical altercations 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:54.199 like fistfights. So that's exactly what I asked him. Our 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:56.560 t in this next section is going to refer to 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:59.280 an article that was written by Chip Gross in The 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:06.520 Midnighteteam nineties about Ohio's new undercover Wildlife Department. On episode one, 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:10.600 Chip told how the bad guys showed RT the actual 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:13.720 magazine article when he was undercover got him in some trouble. 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:18.000 Here's our team. Did you ever get in a fistfight 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:20.920 or any kind of physical altercation? Just in the rough 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:23.640 life that you had to live? I realized your your 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:26.800 cover never got busted, never got busted. But did you ever? 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:29.679 I had a couple of times where they were they 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:34.360 a matter of fact that that letter that the article 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:38.719 about undercover brought it up. Well, yeah, the first day 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:40.800 I ever made him. That's what my buddy said, that 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:45.200 he was a game warden. Really nothing. Yeah, I said, 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:48.440 I don't even like to be called that anymore. You know, 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:50.560 they never bring him back up. But you know, I 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:52.880 felt I had enough confidence I could say that to him, 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:55.160 And he said, yeah, guys, go right in and live 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:57.400 with them. You know what I'm thinking, Yeah, that's what 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:02.560 we do. But did I ever in any uh? Now? 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:05.480 Would I have if I had to? Absolutely? I wasn't 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:09.200 afraid to fight. I was fairly good shape, fairly good size, 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:11.880 so I didn't get picked on too much. But I've 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:14.319 been confronted a few times, but I was always talking 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:16.480 my way out of it. Yeah, And I'll give you 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:20.080 one example was he was drunk drinking and I was 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:23.679 there and he apparently didn't like me or whatever. He said, Uh, 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:25.760 I believe I can take you. I said, you're pretty good, 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:27.880 so hard, but I believe I can take you. I said, 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:31.280 you ain't. Yeah, I'm gonna try you for the night's over. 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:34.560 You know, I'm think of, oh boy, here we go. 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:37.200 And I just said, I'll tell you what, buddy, I 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:39.760 guarantee you'll probably win, but you'll know you've been in 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:43.720 a fight. He never never said that that. Those words 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:47.120 just de escalated the situation. And you were kind of 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:50.320 a master at that. I didn't know it was the time, 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:52.120 but I look back at it now and I think, yeah, 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:54.480 that's pretty good. That's pretty quick because there's a hundred 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:58.640 of different things that you could have said that and 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:01.439 that gave him an out. Yeah, that you gave him 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:04.440 some honor. You absolutely like you probably wouldn't beat me, 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:09.079 but you didn't. But you're not. You're so let him. Yea, 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:15.840 I'm going to use that style. Yeah. Yeah, and it worked. 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:18.840 It work. It gives him an owl, you know, because 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:24.000 you know, would you have won, probably not. You probably 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:28.520 would have taken A wise dude named Solomon, said to 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:31.240 be one of the wisest men of the ancient world 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:35.560 once said, a gentle answer turns away wrath, but a 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:39.240 harsh word stirs up anger. One version of the quote says, 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:44.640 a gentle answer deflects anger, but harsh words make tempers flair. 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:48.720 This is exactly what Artie did, and he threw in 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:51.040 a little extra so he didn't sound so much like 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:57.360 a sissy. Artie, however, was pretty sure he would have 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:01.160 won the fight. And here's why he had so much confidence. 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:06.600 Let's just say he was experienced. I remember when they 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:09.880 interviewed me, they said, uh, to take this job. I 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:12.439 had a little experience in that fighting. When they did 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:15.520 my background investigation, they said, also, i've found out you 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:17.880 like to fight. I said, no, Now you got me 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:20.800 mixing up with my brothers, which they was big into fighting. 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:22.760 He said, all right, so how many fights you've been 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:26.079 and I'm keeping mud. I was thirty five. How many 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:28.440 fight you been into in your lifetime and I'm a 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:32.760 lifetime I'm thinking school yachts, you know. Yeah, I said, 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:40.319 I don't know, maybe forty fistfights, fistfight, real, real fistfight, 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:46.319 joking around, Okay, I didn't think nothing like man, I'm 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:48.760 I'm the I'm the gentle one of the brothers. I 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:51.439 was my brother. They go to town just to fight, 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:54.080 you know, but I mean, seriously, my brothers were bad 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:55.920 about it. And that's when I said, you got me 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:57.920 mixing up with my brothers. And when I told him 0:13:57.960 --> 0:13:59.880 forty and I went home. I told my girlfriend at 0:13:59.880 --> 0:14:02.360 that time, I told her about the interview, and so 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:06.000 fortunate she said, I said, well, yeah, did you got 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:08.360 any idea how many men go through life and never 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:12.080 been in a fight in their life. I just thought 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:15.719 that was natural. You thought that was normal. Well, I 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.240 can tell you that's not normal. Well I discovered that 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:22.320 after that. I can say that's so I wasn't a 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.760 rookie at it. Yeah, you know, that's probably to what 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:29.240 gave you some confidence. I mean, and not that physical 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:32.520 strength is gonna really be what somebody would need. But 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:34.520 you knew you could take care of yourself. And it 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:37.000 goes back to originally what you told me, that you 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:40.160 had to be self sufficient. And you know you're in 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:44.200 you're in the roughness of the rough places with criminals, 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:47.280 people plotting to kill other I mean, this is like, 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:50.560 this is a criminal world. That's a criminal world. You're 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:53.000 living in and you're supposed to be the criminal. But 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:55.240 if they find out who you are, your life is 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:57.880 a jeopardy. And I never thought anything about that. I 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:00.280 never thought. I just felt that I could take care 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:03.440 of myself. I got into a situation. Yeah, I remember 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:06.480 Chip asked me one time, did you carry a gun? No? No, 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:08.760 I never carried a gun, But I said, He said, 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:10.920 what was somebody doesn't pulled a gun on you? I said, well, 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:13.320 it depending on the circumstances. I said, if a man 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:16.800 we're sitting here across the table or in proc's close 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:19.800 proximity of that individual, and that man pulled a gun 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:22.960 on me, I had trained and was confident enough in 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:26.680 myself that I would own that gun. I had that 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:30.360 much confidence in training, in in weapon takeaway that I 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:33.320 would own that from I'd take it from me. There 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:35.400 was no question in my mind I could take it 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:37.040 from me. But now, I said, if I walked in 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:39.160 the door from here to there and the guy's got 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:40.720 a gun on me, I wouldn't want to call on 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:44.960 tactically disengaging going back out the door, because you know 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:47.040 you ain't got a win sace. We're within arms reaching 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:49.280 somebody with a gun. I'm taking it, I'm owning it, 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:52.080 and that that kind of confidence and even that you 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:55.960 have to this day is what it would take to 0:15:56.960 --> 0:16:00.240 be successful in that kind of situation, you know. And 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:02.520 and when I hear you talk like that, I think 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:06.680 sometimes about these uh like active shooters that are that 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:10.280 are happening now, and how a lot of guys concealed 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:15.040 carry and the potential for having to use your concealed 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:19.080 carry to remedy a situation. I realized, there's so many wild, 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:21.880 possible things that could happen. But I think most of 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:24.400 us that aren't in law enforcement probably when it came 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:26.560 down to it, we'd like to think we could do it, 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:30.200 but maybe we'd lack of confidence to be able to. 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:33.960 And I had I had raised with guns all my life. 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:38.560 I had competed in combat shooting. I was very proficient, 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:40.960 and you know, I can't say what would have happened 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:43.840 had I got in a gun battle, and just like combat, 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:46.360 you don't know what you're gonna do. But I felt 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:49.000 in my mind that I had enough confidence that I 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:55.720 could control about any situation. Training builds confidence, and confidence 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:59.840 is extremely important in all areas of life. Research the 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:04.000 jest that confident people tend to be healthier and live longer, 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:07.200 and it's likely correlated to the effects of the positive 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:24.439 emotions associated with confidence, happiness, optimism, and satisfaction. I asked 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:27.080 Chip Grows to tell me one of his favorite stories 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:30.240 about RT and I think this one will help us 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:34.400 see some of Art's instincts in action, which will lead 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:37.960 us to a bigger question. And here's one of the 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:41.520 examples from the book. Uh, he would play cards two 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:43.720 or three times a week with this group of poachers. 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:48.560 They're playing cards one night, and you know how conversation goes. Well, 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:51.600 there had been a bald eagle shot along the Ohio 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:55.359 River and the FEDS were in on the investigation. Of course, 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:58.280 the Ohio Divisional Wildlife which on the investigation. Everybody's trying 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:01.080 to figure out who shot this eagle. And the bad 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:05.080 guys were talking about this and didn't directly say to Urt, 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:08.359 but they said, you know, I think I think I 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:11.200 knew who it is. And they were trying to draw 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:14.600 Ourt out there, thinking if he's an undercover officer, he's 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:17.160 gonna want to know who kills this eagle. So they 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:21.359 didn't really know who killed the eagle. No, I don't that. 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:26.320 So they're watching for his reaction, and he wanted to 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.240 ask in the worst way, Okay, who is it? But 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:33.119 something told him, some intuition told him, don't say anything, 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:36.680 just keep playing cards and just fluff it off. And 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:39.639 that's what he did. So it comes back then a 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:42.879 few weeks later from the bad guys that, Hey, you 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:45.160 remember we were playing cards a couple of weeks ago. 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:48.760 We were talking about the eagle. He said, yeah, he said, uh, 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:51.240 you know, we were. We thought maybe we're a game 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:54.280 war and we're just testing you that night. That's the 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:56.879 kind of instincts he has, okay, And I don't know 0:18:56.960 --> 0:18:59.879 where it comes from. It's probably a combination of now 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:03.440 tro ability and just working on the job and knowing 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:07.080 when to push for information when not. But that's the 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:09.720 kind of person here. You can't teach that, I don't think, 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:14.400 so you can't teach that kind of instinct. This brings 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:17.280 up an interesting question about the source of what we 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:22.040 often call intuition or a sixth sense or a premonition, 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:27.040 basically making a decision based upon data that doesn't exist. 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:30.080 Dr Sharp's is about to tell us that some of 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:33.960 our instinct is actually hardwired into our d n A. 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:38.760 But let me say that even with this information, I 0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:43.080 absolutely believe in the supernatural as it pertains to a 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:47.240 humans connection to a divine source to get information that 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:51.760 can't be found from anything in the Earth. Western thinkers 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:55.440 often frown on and belittle things that science can't prove, 0:19:56.080 --> 0:20:00.359 but I think that rationale is hogwash. Sign it's by 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:03.480 its very definition, is only geared to explain the physical, 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:07.280 observable and repeatable things in the universe. And the stuff 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:12.680 I'm talking about isn't that. But I have personally experienced 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:16.080 the delivery of information impossible for me to have known 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:20.159 and disconnected from any other piece of earthly knowledge that 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:24.159 came directly from the great creator of this universe, the 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:28.920 l haf A himself. I believe that with all my heart. However, 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:33.280 I do believe that some of our intuition, premonition, our 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:37.840 sixth sense comes from stuff that's deeply hardwired into us 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:41.280 because we've been rambling around on this planet for a 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:45.320 long time, and to understand where the origin of some 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:47.679 of this stuff comes from, we have to look at 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:51.240 the very fabric of our DNA. Here's Dr Sharp's with 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:56.119 some info on how humans respond to animal tracks and 0:20:56.320 --> 0:21:01.560 looking in the eyes of serial killers. Stay with me, Yeah, 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:04.119 because he had broke his own script. There. If you're 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:06.800 an investigator and the bad guys dropped something like that 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:10.040 in your lap, there's a tendency that maybe you circumventent, 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:11.399 but you want it. You want to find that out. 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:14.600 It's amazing how much behavior is under the surface that 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:16.879 we don't even know about me. But I did a 0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:18.879 paper some years or twenty years ago. Good I got 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:21.840 interested in the psychology of hunting, and so I started 0:21:21.880 --> 0:21:24.760 asking us, Okay, what's the most complicated thing hunters do? 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:27.040 What would you expect to have hardwired into the brain? 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:30.880 The most complicated part of hunting is tracking. So would 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:33.440 it help in the ancient world to have animal tracks? 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:35.200 Though in your head would have to have a sort 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:37.480 of be born with encyclopedia of animal tracks. Now it 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:40.119 wouldn't because savor tian tigers don't longer exist, mammoths no 0:21:40.160 --> 0:21:43.240 longer exist. To be worthless, what you need is the 0:21:43.320 --> 0:21:47.600 ability to learn animal tracks. Well, I got urban college students. 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:52.240 They have in general no experience, interest, or understanding of animals, hunting, track, 0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:56.040 or even being outside. They still learn animal tracks three 0:21:56.240 --> 0:22:00.960 times better and faster than other equally unfamiliar stimulating human 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:05.159 beings are geared to learn some of the scripts of hunting. 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:07.720 We did another one, another study is not not not 0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:10.399 going to con gear to hunting, but serial killers. You 0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:13.440 want to avoid them until you invent cops. Okay. All 0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:15.560 we do is show the eyes from the eyebrows at 0:22:15.560 --> 0:22:17.800 the top of the cheekbones of serial killers and non 0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:21.199 serial killers to people. They didn't recognize them to serial killers, 0:22:21.280 --> 0:22:23.000 but they didn't like them, they didn't trust them, they 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:24.800 didn't want to work with them, just by looking in 0:22:24.840 --> 0:22:29.160 the eyes. There's all these audible autobi Oh yeah, yeah. 0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:32.720 I've pushed that as both as a search paper and 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:36.840 in my blog to forensic view. There's all these automated 0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:40.320 things in us that we expect other people to behave 0:22:40.359 --> 0:22:42.720 in a certain way. We expect that if we behave 0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:44.479 in a certain way, the other people will treat us 0:22:44.960 --> 0:22:47.320 in the way we want. And in the undercover role, 0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:50.600 much of that is reverse. It feels like there's a 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:55.800 whole bunch of data and intel working inside of us. 0:22:56.080 --> 0:23:01.359 Just because we are essentially a highly successful and I 0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:04.200 believe we're much more than animals. I do, but but 0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:08.240 from a scientific perspective, where a very successful mammal on 0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:11.600 planet Earth. There's a bunch of stuff that's flowing through 0:23:11.840 --> 0:23:15.240 us that we don't even understand that we do all 0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:17.960 the time. And people describe it as like a sixth sense. 0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:23.000 But maybe it's more mechanical, more explainable than just this 0:23:23.200 --> 0:23:25.679 kind of mystery of having a sixth sense. A lot 0:23:25.720 --> 0:23:28.480 of the stuff is under sort of you know, it's 0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:32.399 automated in us. It's not conscious, but we come up 0:23:32.440 --> 0:23:34.960 with things. Professor's how I got interested in the hunting 0:23:35.040 --> 0:23:38.360 stuff from personal experience, but also from a professor named 0:23:38.400 --> 0:23:41.480 Gordon Orients. And all he did was measured the distance 0:23:41.640 --> 0:23:44.639 between people and trees in paintings. And of course it's 0:23:44.680 --> 0:23:47.560 pretty much random as either where the artists wants somewhere 0:23:47.680 --> 0:23:49.480 they are where they actually saw. But if it's plenty 0:23:49.520 --> 0:23:52.960