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Speaker 1: And we are underway.

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Speaker 3: Hello, and welcome to the Action Network Podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 3: Brandon Anderson here with Raheem Palmer. We are here to

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Speaker 3: wrap up a lifeless week ten of football. One of

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Speaker 3: the worst days of NFL football days. I can recall

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Speaker 3: a lot of blowouts today.

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Speaker 2: We had only four.

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Speaker 3: Games within single digits all day. Raheem, what do we

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Speaker 3: do to piss off the football gods today? I mean,

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Speaker 3: sometimes he's just football is a game of varians. And

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Speaker 3: sometimes you're gonna have games to where got teams are

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Speaker 3: getting blown out. And sometimes you're gonna have games like

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Speaker 3: the Pittsburgh still is in the Detroit Lions, whereas just

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Speaker 3: so awful that it's hilarious is great. It's everything that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotta be honest, were hum and I are

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Speaker 2: texting today. We all must.

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Speaker 3: We wanted to just give you a whole podcast of

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Speaker 2: With that one. We are gonna lead with that one.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna bounce quickly through some of the other games

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Speaker 3: just to touch on a few points on each. We

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Speaker 3: want to talk about quarterbacks too, so we're gonna get

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Speaker 3: to that later. This is a weird week of football

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Speaker 3: Night football, we'll do our week eleven hot read, and yeah,

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Speaker 3: Network podcast. All Right, as promised, let's start out with

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Speaker 3: the big one Steelers Lions sixteen to sixteen tie ballgame,

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Speaker 3: our first tie of the year. The Detroit Lions improved

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Speaker 3: to oh eight and one on the season. I don't

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Speaker 3: This game, the entirety of the game is our stink

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Speaker 2: Smell it smell it smelly.

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Speaker 1: It's the smell. It's quite pungent. Dude, plug your nose.

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Speaker 1: It's stinks.

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Speaker 4: This is your stink of the week.

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Speaker 3: This was the tiest tie that ever tied before. This

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Speaker 3: is the cream of the crap. This game was awful

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Speaker 3: and wonderful. I loved every second of it. What was

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Speaker 3: your biggest takeaway at the top from this game?

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Speaker 1: The biggest takeaway is that literally anything can happen. I

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Speaker 1: mean when you're looking at this overtime, you literally have

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Speaker 1: like a kicker that looked like me, you out there

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Speaker 1: making field goals. Then you had multiple turnovers, you had

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Speaker 1: just it just was a whirlwin of anything that possibly happened.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was nuts overtime alone. Here's here's what we

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Speaker 3: got in overtime. Seven possessions and overtime, four of them

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Speaker 2: And remember no points. We had in a tie here,

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Speaker 3: So we had in overtime we had a thirty yard play,

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Speaker 1: Then when you look at here's here's the biggest the

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Speaker 3: We told we both said it too, that this is

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Speaker 2: This is just what they do.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, Jared Goff, I thought was especially awful in

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Speaker 3: We like honest quarterbacks. Mason Rudolph somehow maybe the better

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Speaker 3: Literally it's week eleven now tomorrow. The NFC playoff picture

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Speaker 3: I get this one wrong? Chiefs forty one, Raiders fourteen.

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Speaker 2: I said it.

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't you want to be an upset? And boy, the

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Speaker 3: Chiefs look like the Chiefs again. Patrick Mahomes four hundred

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Speaker 1: To me, it just looked like it looked like finished

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Speaker 1: it just looked like the Chiefs were rolling and this

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say this, I am hesitant to just

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Speaker 3: that Gus Bradley, the Raiders defensive coordinator, has watched what

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Speaker 3: Every team drops their two safeties deep, take away the

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Speaker 3: We know how to limit them. And Gus Bradley, my guy,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna do cover three all game. I know who

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Speaker 3: Gus Bradley has been the Chargers defensive coordinator the whole time.

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Speaker 2: And the guy just does what he does. He never adjusts.

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Speaker 3: So I'm not quite ready to say the Chiefs are

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Speaker 1: Without a doubt with that, And I think the big thing,

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Speaker 3: All Right, my Vikings beat the Chargers twenty seven to

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Speaker 1: On This was a big ain't for the Vikings, And

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Speaker 1: I really loved the Vikings in this spot. I think

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Speaker 1: I gave it away last week on the Hot Read.

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Speaker 1: I was a little concerned with some COVID issues that

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Speaker 1: So when you look at the Vikings, they pretty much

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Speaker 3: And also, as a lifelong diehard Vikings fan, also not

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Speaker 3: usually just don't hold on this game. Theyre will to

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Speaker 3: We we've talked a lot about Brandon Staley this year,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think I trust my defense.

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Speaker 3: the Washington football team took care of the Tampa Bay

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Speaker 3: Buccaneers twenty nine to nineteen. Washington kind of comfortably led

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Speaker 3: Tampa Bay only ran forty seven plays this game. Washington

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Speaker 3: and nineteen. The nineteen play drive was the killer. So

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Speaker 2: To insult Vita Vea.

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Speaker 1: I was definitely worry. I mean, we've we've already known

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everything came together.

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Speaker 3: And then right as everything came together, Chase Young goes

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Speaker 3: just because this He's just one of the most talented

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Speaker 3: as expected. Washington was nine and a half point underdogs

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Speaker 2: So this is a big upset, especially.

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Speaker 3: With the Bucks coming off of buy They're on a

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Speaker 3: two game losing streak. Now, I'm not so worried about

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Speaker 3: but they're kind of tip pass and weirdness. They only

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Speaker 3: So I think the offense was not great. You want

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that. I definitely agree with that.

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Speaker 1: So next time we're going to go with the Seattle

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Speaker 1: takeaway I had from this game is that Green Bay's

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Speaker 3: sure how to interpret it yet, because like, is Russell

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Speaker 3: We had three interceptions in the end zone in this game.

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Speaker 3: You know, these guys have been off and both coming back.

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Speaker 3: negative eighteen total EPA today. That's horrendous. And his numbers

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Speaker 3: So I am well, let me ask you this, how

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Speaker 1: So I think some of that will come. Now. Some

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Speaker 3: to give Seattle credit. There's only three nothing with eleven

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Speaker 3: Seattle in this game. I think a lot of us

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Speaker 3: So Green Bay came through. Yeah, I'm curious where the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely agree with that. I think there's just

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Speaker 3: That's true, all right, another one of those teams that

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Speaker 2: But I'm starting to think.

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Speaker 3: Twice build out for your Eagles thirty to thirteen in Denver,

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Speaker 3: never an easy place to play that would ended up

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, yeah, they beat the Lions whatever,

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Speaker 2: Hurts is definitely a good running quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I'm kind of intrigued the Eagles feel like they're kind

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Speaker 1: I'm definitely intrigued by the Eagles. I think one thing

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Speaker 1: They've taken sharp money every week. I mean, if you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, Denver was one of eleven on third down,

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Speaker 3: Line closed up forty four and a half and we

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Speaker 1: I'm not impressed with Tennessee when you look at When

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Speaker 1: got out gained in yardish the Saints. To me, the Saints,

440
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 1: I'll gained in the yards three seventy three to two

441
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 1: sixty four yards, would play six point win to four

442
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:31,360
Speaker 1: point six third downs, forty to twenty five percent rushing yards.

443
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 1: I mean literally every single category the Saints dominated. But

444
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,920
Speaker 1: of course they got the cheap nineteen you're a touchdown.

445
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 1: So the Saints, they they've been struggling in the first

446
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 1: half of these games offensive league with Trevor Simmeyon. I'd

447
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:48,879
Speaker 1: really like to see more of Taysom Hill, but the

448
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 1: Titans are just I think they're they're floating with they Knights, So.

449
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would love to see more Tastum Hill in

450
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 3: this game. I thought Sean Payton called a really poor game,

451
00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 3: Like if you have Taysom Hill and you pay him

452
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 3: that money, you bring him in at the goal line

453
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 3: at the very least, even if you're not starting him,

454
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,640
Speaker 3: you bring in your guy at the goal line.

455
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 2: And they had one drive.

456
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Speaker 3: Where they had like I felt like five or six

457
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 3: plays inside the ten. He was in for no plays.

458
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 3: Then they had a penalty and went out of that range.

459
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,159
Speaker 3: Then they brought him in and ran him back in,

460
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,199
Speaker 3: then took him out and put Simeon back in. I

461
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 3: will say Simeon actually threw some dimes in this game, like,

462
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,119
Speaker 3: he had a few nice passes. I do think that

463
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 3: he you know, with those two I think the Saints

464
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,199
Speaker 3: could maybe pull this off enough. But I didn't like

465
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 3: the play calling. There were a few key plays this

466
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 3: on too. The Saints miss extra point again. That this

467
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,399
Speaker 3: plague of missed extra points that are like really turning

468
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 3: game scripts.

469
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Speaker 2: I'm not into it.

470
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Speaker 3: Can we just move the extra point back up and

471
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Speaker 3: just make it normal again? Like, I don't need all

472
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 3: these weird missed extra points screwing games up. There was

473
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Speaker 3: another one two end of the first half and ran

474
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 3: Tannehill throws an interception in the end zone and then

475
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 3: I forget who it was, but Eagles were rushing him

476
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 3: and got like the two hand touch after the play

477
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 3: and they called it the passer. Terrible penalty, not the worst,

478
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 3: worst one we've seen this year, but of course that

479
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 3: takes the interception off the board. Titans get the touchdown.

480
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 3: You know, that ended up being the game because in

481
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,119
Speaker 3: the game that was this close, the margins were so little.

482
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 3: So yeah, the Saints have lost a few that way.

483
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,360
Speaker 3: The Titans are won six in a row at this point.

484
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 3: They're eight and two, they have tied for the best

485
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:24,479
Speaker 3: worker in the entire NFL.

486
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Speaker 2: I don't get it.

487
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, let's skip over some of the other games.

488
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 3: We'll wrap them a little bit. We want to talk

489
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 3: about what our top ten quarterbacks look like. This is

490
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 3: a weird, weird quarterback week, so let me paint the

491
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 3: picture a little bit. Tom Brady not very good today.

492
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 3: Rogers and Russ both rusty, both coming off injury. Slash

493
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,360
Speaker 3: Covid Kyler Murray is out, hasn't played for a couple

494
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 3: of weeks. Dak Prescott looked good, still playing through that injury.

495
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 3: Don't forget Lamar Jackson on Thursday night looked terrible, had

496
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 3: his maybe worst game of the season. Weird week for

497
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 3: all these quarterbacks. And of course, quarterback is the most

498
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 3: important position in football, probably in team sports like this

499
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 3: is what determines so much, so we want to zoom

500
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 3: out a little bit. We each made our own list

501
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 3: of top ten quarterbacks who do we trust the rest

502
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 3: of the way for the season, and we don't share

503
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 3: the out to the list yet We're gonna do it

504
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 3: live for you and talk a little bit about what

505
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 3: does that look like for the MVP race of course

506
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 3: that will be a quarterback.

507
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 2: What's it look like for team ceilings?

508
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 3: You know you've got to have a quarterback to make

509
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 3: a play and win those three four games you need

510
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 3: for a super Bowl. So let's get into it. We

511
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 3: did ours in tiers. We haven't talked with it at all,

512
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 3: so we'll see how this goes. My quarterback list, I

513
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 3: have one guy alone at the top in a tier

514
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 3: by himself.

515
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 2: How many people are in your top tier?

516
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: I had two?

517
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 2: All right? So is Patrick Mahomes in your top tier?

518
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 3: No? Patrick Mahomes is my number one in my top tier.

519
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 3: I made it before the game tonight and I thought,

520
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 3: am I seriously doing this? I've been trashing Mahomes honest

521
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 3: pods for the last month. Is numbers are not there.

522
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, it's still Patrick Mahomes,

523
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 3: And I think that I would have been willing to

524
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 3: put someone else at least with him on my list,

525
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 3: but everyone else has been faltering too, so I still

526
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 3: have Pat at the top. Bease that's still Pat. Who's

527
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 3: your top tier?

528
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: See, I didn't like the way I did mine is

529
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 1: like I have it in a tier, but I have

530
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: these two as your aging hall of fame quarterbacks who

531
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: you know you're going to get a great performance out.

532
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: You just know it. And it's Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers,

533
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: and I trust them. You kind of have to trust them,

534
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: and you have to give them the benefit of doubt

535
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: that no other quarterbacks have. But at the same time,

536
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: even though they're still in that tier, you know that

537
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 1: they could fall off a cliff.

538
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. I struggled with where to rank Tom Brady.

539
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 3: I have Rogers third, end up with Brady fifth. So

540
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 3: my next tier down is four guys. So Rogers and

541
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 3: Brady are in that tier. So I'll just tell your

542
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 3: mine and then we can go back to yours. One

543
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 3: surprise to him in here, I think. So my tier two, three, four,

544
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 3: and five I have Lamar Jackson second. I have no

545
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 3: real idea how to rank him because I try to

546
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 3: think of these like, well, what if you put this

547
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 3: quarterback on this team or in that other situation. I

548
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 3: don't know how to imagine Lamar Jackson in any other

549
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 3: team or situation. He's in the best team situation for him,

550
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 3: Like I'd rather he have some receivers over there, but

551
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 3: he is playing as well as anyone, right now, like

552
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 3: I think we agree he should be the MVP, or

553
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 3: at least should have before Thursday, with the way that

554
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 3: he's carrying that offense. So I am number two, Rogers

555
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 3: three justin Herbert is my number four, and I have.

556
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 2: Brady at five. The reason I have Brady at the.

557
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 3: Bottom here is because in my head out thought, Okay,

558
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 3: could I put Lamar or Rogers or Herbert in Tampa

559
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 3: with all those weapons with that line, wouldn't I feel

560
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 3: just as good about the offense and maybe even a

561
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 3: little better? Like well, I have to worry about cold

562
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 3: weather games and aging whatever else I think. So, so

563
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 3: I had to put Brady last in this tier here.

564
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 3: Herbert has struggled, He's been up and down. I think

565
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 3: that it's the play calling. Herbert is really hitting passes,

566
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 3: he's he's looking good. I think that if you put

567
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 3: him in a better system. Maybe this is too soon,

568
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 3: But I like, what's there?

569
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 2: Where? How do you feel about Lamar and Herbert? Are

570
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: they in this range for you?

571
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Lamar is definitely in this range for me, Like

572
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: I have this this this range as the next the

573
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: next tier of stars and just guys who are just

574
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: gonna who can make a play and they had to

575
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: resumeate it, back it up. So for me, and this

576
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 1: tier is Patrick Mahomes, who's at the very top of

577
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: that list, and he hasn't necessarily shown it this year,

578
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 1: but he's at the top of that list. And then

579
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: I have Dak Prescott and Lamar Jacks. Obviously Dak Prescott

580
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,719
Speaker 1: he plays in a run first offense, but this guy's everything.

581
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 1: He went to a quarterback. If you need a game

582
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: when it drop, I probably went Dak Prescott there. So

583
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: I think I have those three there alone. I mean

584
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: of this year.

585
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I would have Dak Prescott second on my

586
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 3: list if I was confident in the health. And after today,

587
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 3: maybe I'm confident about the health coming into the games today,

588
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 3: I certainly was a little more questionable. My next tier

589
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 3: of guys is kind of the well, they probably be higher,

590
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 3: but I'm not totally sure which version we're getting because

591
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 3: of injuries. But I'm a little further down my list.

592
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 3: So we had your top two and then your next three.

593
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 3: What do you have after those three?

594
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: I have, like I actually have the same tier as you.

595
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: I have Kyler Murray and Russell Wilson. We just don't

596
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: know what we're going to get from them just because

597
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: they're being done.

598
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I have, and I just have Dak

599
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 3: in that tier. I do have Dak at the top

600
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 3: of that list. I agree like he's playing great football

601
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 3: right now. I think he remains underrated. He's just a

602
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 3: very good player, a very good passer, very good runner.

603
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: The whole thing all is of love.

604
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,719
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson another one where if he was healthy, if

605
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 3: he were healthy and playing like he was earlier, he'd

606
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 3: probably be number one.

607
00:28:58,720 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: I probably would actually.

608
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 3: Put him at least in my Patrick Mahomes here, and

609
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,959
Speaker 3: maybe I had the way that Mahomes is playing, although

610
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 3: after tonight maybe I readjust and keep Pat on top.

611
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 3: He certainly has earned that spot there. Kyler Murray, I

612
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 3: have eighth here just because the injury last year that

613
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 3: he had he never really came back from and we've

614
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 3: never seen in the playoffs, So just by by not

615
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 3: being tested and having that injury makes me a little

616
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 3: bit concerned about him. But yeah, eighth. Is he eighth

617
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 3: on your list as well?

618
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 2: Seventh? Oh, seventh, I think because you and have Herbert

619
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 2: on yours.

620
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, actually don't even yeah, yeah, So who rounds

621
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: out your top ten.

622
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: Then these are the.

623
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Speaker 1: Guys who are up and down. They have the talent,

624
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: they have the numbers, they have the skill set, but

625
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: you still don't quite trust it. So I have Josh Allen.

626
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: Actually I have Matthew Stafford, Josh Allen and Kirk Cousins.

627
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 2: And I had Kirk in the top ten.

628
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: It's like as good as justin Herbert. He's been to me,

629
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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins is better like this year and when you

630
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: look at all the advanced metrics complete some percentage Dboway,

631
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins has played like a top ten quarterback this year,

632
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: but we all know he plays with Mike Zimmer and

633
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: he just has those stinkers in prom tom. So I

634
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: have him on my list, and I think I took

635
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: the way Herbert has played over the last couple of games.

636
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: I kind of had to take him out of the

637
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: top ten.

638
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that's fair.

639
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 3: I don't so I have so far, I've had eight

640
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 3: guys since I had Herbert, and so I only have

641
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 3: two more spots here. My number nine is Ryan Tannehill,

642
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 3: and that may be kind of controversial, but the numbers

643
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 3: that he's put up outside of the first month this season,

644
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 3: since then and really last year and the last bit

645
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 3: of the season before that, he's earned the spot there.

646
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 3: And if we're comparing it to Kirk Cousins, I had

647
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 3: Matt Carr just off the sorry Matt, Ryan and Derek

648
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 3: Carr just off the list. Here, I think Tan Hill

649
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 3: belongs in that list, and the way that he's been producing,

650
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 3: he belongs to the top of that list. So at

651
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 3: Tannehill nine, I have Matt Stafford at ten. I have

652
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 3: Josh Allen off the list, and actually, like not next

653
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 3: off the list either. I actually had him Ryan, Carr

654
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 3: and Kirk and then Alan the kind of you know,

655
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 3: all in the similar like they're all in the same

656
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 3: tier to me. So this is where I want to

657
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Speaker 3: ask you a question. So, Josh Allen, you had him

658
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Speaker 3: just at the bottom of your top ten. I have

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Speaker 3: him out of the top ten right now as we

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Speaker 3: record this late Sunday night. Josh Allen is the MVP favorite,

661
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Speaker 3: a heavy MVP favorite.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: He's two hundred two to one odds at BETMGM. We

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Speaker 3: have talked with this all season and his odds keep dropping.

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Speaker 3: What's happening? How is Josh Allen a heavy favorite. Am

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Speaker 3: I crazy? You're not crazy at all.

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Speaker 1: I don't quite understand it as well, And I think

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Speaker 1: there's other quarterbacks who've just played better. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: when you do look at his metrics, he is it.

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Speaker 1: He's top five EPA and completion over expectation, like he's

671
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Speaker 1: at the top of the list as far as success rate,

672
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Speaker 1: top ten and net. So his metrics are there and

673
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Speaker 1: he has the wins. But I think sometimes your reputation procede.

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Speaker 1: We've seen it all the time we're NBA guys. We

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Speaker 1: see guys who get voted for first team a defense

676
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Speaker 1: based on things that they've done in the past. And

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen had such a tremendous season last year that

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Speaker 1: I think there's some carryover effect there. But one thing

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Speaker 1: I want to say is that I agree with you

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Speaker 1: on Ryan Tannehill and if I had eleven, he would

681
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Speaker 1: have made my list, And I debated which one of

682
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Speaker 1: those guys I could take out. I think this is

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Speaker 1: probably one of the best years for quarterback play. We've

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Speaker 1: seen it a while.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was surprised actually how deep the list went,

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Speaker 3: Like we didn't mention Joe Burrow. I think that he

687
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Speaker 3: could be in that tier with those same guys, I

688
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Speaker 3: would be intrigued to. I don't know yet. That's obviously

689
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Speaker 3: very soon or too early. If Cam Newton is healthy

690
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Speaker 3: and like Cam Newton the way he's been again, he

691
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Speaker 3: could get onto this top ten list. I'm intrigued by

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Speaker 3: Cam Newton. It might be bad, there's a reason he

693
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 3: wasn't playing, but it could be very good. Am I

694
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Speaker 3: crazy think Cam Newton could sneak in here.

695
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Speaker 1: He can't sneak into the top ten, but I think

696
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Speaker 1: he could be a solid quarterback who can provide a

697
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Speaker 1: dual threat for offense. The way he broke down that

698
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Speaker 1: run today was just I mean, it was finished can

699
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Speaker 1: and I love seeing it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was great.

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Speaker 3: I kind of wonder if Buffalo might be a fake

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Speaker 3: contender after making this list, Like the whole like we

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Speaker 3: know their defense is very good, of course, but the

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Speaker 3: offense is Josh Allen. The offense is Josh Allen. Like,

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Speaker 3: there's no run game. The whole thing is predicated to

706
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Speaker 3: Alan being awesome. And if we're right that he's like

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Speaker 3: a fringe top ten quarterback and not a stud quarterback

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Speaker 3: and there's no help from the run game, not a

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Speaker 3: lot of blocking. Can we really trust that team to

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Speaker 3: be a legit Super Bowl contender? I feel like this

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Speaker 3: thinking about this way, it kind of exposes that offense.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you. The Patriots are all

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Speaker 1: in there behind, right yeah. Yeah, so, and they have

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Speaker 1: two games with the Patriots, and playing Belichick is never easy.

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Speaker 1: And I think one of the advantages Buffalo has is

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Speaker 1: their home foot advantage. And we all know home foot

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Speaker 1: advantage is decreasing year over year. It's probably less than

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Speaker 1: a point yew But in the playoffs, going into Buffalo

719
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Speaker 1: to take on this Buffalo defense and Josh Allen, it

720
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: is not easy, and homefold advantage is definitely gonna be

721
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Speaker 1: worth a lot more than that a team that's going there.

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Speaker 1: But they could not even win their division. But New

723
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Speaker 1: England's one game back, so I mean they beat up

724
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Speaker 1: they beat up some really bad team. They caught Kansas

725
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Speaker 1: City in a rough spot, so that win doesn't even

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Speaker 1: look as good as we thought it was at the time.

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Speaker 1: So the book is story. The book is still out

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Speaker 1: on it.

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Speaker 2: It does I'm curious too. Obviously, the Titans are eight

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Speaker 2: and two.

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Speaker 3: They are the clear AFC one seed right now, The

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Speaker 3: Rams really got help today by that Cardinals loss, which

733
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Speaker 3: you didn't talk about, but the Cardinals missing Kyler Murray

734
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 3: and down Hopkins got blown out by the Panthers. So

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Speaker 3: the Rams are now possibly tied for the division. We'll

736
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Speaker 3: talk about them in the Monday night game. Both of

737
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Speaker 3: those teams presumably are Super Bowl contenders, maybe with the Titans.

738
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Speaker 3: We've said it all along, if you're the one seed.

739
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Speaker 2: You have a good shot.

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Speaker 3: But we have Stafford and Tannehill both kind of fringe

741
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Speaker 3: top ten quarterback same range as Allen. Does that worry

742
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Speaker 3: you as far as Super Bowl upside and actually winning

743
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 3: those three maybe four games in a row. Can Tannehill

744
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 3: or Stafford actually get those four wins?

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Speaker 1: I'm worried about Matthew Stafford because I mean, we look

746
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Speaker 1: at his game against the Titans that that was a

747
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Speaker 1: game that they probably should have won. The tight they outperform,

748
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: like the Titans offense really didn't show up. They had

749
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: like one hundred and ninety yards of offense and Stafford

750
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: literally gave the game away. So it's just like we've

751
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: seen that in Detroit. Like this Rams offense. They don't

752
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: have a great running game. So if you don't have

753
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Speaker 1: a great running game, you're relying on your quarterback to

754
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Speaker 1: do more. And we've seen Stafford when he doesn't have

755
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: a win a game in Detroit, at some point he

756
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: just mouts down. So that's a real concern for me.

757
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a big concern. Robert Woods is a big

758
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 3: loss too. He's one of the best blocking receivers in football.

759
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 3: So that's a receiver loss and it hurts the run game.

760
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 3: So that further goes into what you were just saying too.

761
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 3: So yeah, I've been into the rams and then this

762
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 3: exercise made me kind of be like, ah, how much

763
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 3: do I actually trust Matt Stafford to go get the

764
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 3: job done in the playoffs. We've never seen him get

765
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 3: any job done in the playoffs. So a couple more

766
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 3: questions here, then we get out of here. So Patrick Mahomes,

767
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 3: he's number one on my list, He's at the top

768
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Speaker 3: of your second tier.

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Speaker 2: He's obviously great. He had a great game tonight.

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Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes is still forty to one to win MVP

771
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 3: at bet MGM. It's Mahomes. His numbers are pretty good still.

772
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 3: Besides the interceptions, the Chiefs are now alone first place

773
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 3: in the division. Does Mahomes give the Chiefs a chance

774
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 3: in the AFC?

775
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: Are they alive?

776
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 1: Still?

777
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 3: Is Mahomes still live for MVP? How much is the

778
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 3: ceiling still there for them?

779
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Speaker 1: I think he has such a shaky start to the

780
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Speaker 1: year that I don't believe that he could actually turn

781
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: it around. But sometimes that perception of what you did.

782
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: They've already played ten games, Yeah that's more than half

783
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: of this. Yeah, it's just too big of a hold

784
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: of tom out. But they played the Cowboys this week.

785
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: But I mean they would have to pretty much run

786
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: the tape.

787
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you'd have to get You'd have to

788
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 3: get this version of Patrick Mahomes, the one tonight where

789
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 3: the Chiefs scored forty one and he has five touchdowns.

790
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 3: Do that for like another month in a row, and

791
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 3: he's gonna have a lot of attention going. But we're

792
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 3: proud to see it more than a game forty to one.

793
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 3: It's intriguing. But yeah, I think that the ship probably

794
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 3: has sailed one other name that I promise you was

795
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 3: nowhere near my list, and I don't think anywhere near yours.

796
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Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield are Cleveland Browns. We call ourselves the Cleveland

797
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 3: Browns Podcast. I don't know if Baker even makes a

798
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 3: top twenty, Like he was supposed to be in that

799
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 3: mix of the Kirk Cousins, Matt Ryan, Cannehill. They just

800
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 3: needed him to be in that group. And to be fair,

801
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 3: he's not healthy. He took another injury today. I just

802
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 3: don't know if he's in that group even I'm very

803
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 3: worried about Baker. I don't know about the Browns at

804
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 3: this point.

805
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the Browns have had a revolve with

806
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: doork injuries all year. It's tragic because it is probably

807
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: the best Browns team that we've seen since nineteen ninety four.

808
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: But they had injuries, they had bad luck. It started

809
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: in Game one. They dominated the Chiefs in that game

810
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: and still lost, And I think that was kind of

811
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 1: a microcosm for their season.

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Speaker 2: I think. So.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's run through the rest of Sunday's action

814
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Speaker 3: and a wrap up Week ten before we get to

815
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Speaker 3: Monday Night football. Here.

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Speaker 2: Cam Newton is back.

817
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 3: As he told us, Cardinals turned it over on their

818
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 3: first three possessions. Cam Newton came into the game and

819
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 3: scored touchdown on his first two touches of the season.

820
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 3: This dude, as he said, afterward. Was home eating a

821
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 3: bowl of serial last week, and now he's out here

822
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Speaker 3: putting on touchdowns on the formerly one lost Cardinals Panthers

823
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Speaker 3: role thirty four to ten. No Kyler, no Hopkins, PJ Walker,

824
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 3: the XFL PJ Walker seven to zero. Lifetime as a

825
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 3: professional starting quarterback. Probably gonna get bench for Cam Newton

826
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Speaker 3: next week, though. Bill Belichick took his old team, the Browns,

827
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Speaker 3: into the deep waters and browned them forty five to seven.

828
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield terrible got another injury.

829
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Speaker 1: MATC.

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Speaker 3: Jones was daling today three touchdowns nineteen of twenty three.

831
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Speaker 3: The Patriots went over the total on their own. They

832
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 3: even scored so much. Our guy Jacoby Myers finally got

833
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 3: his first career touchdown.

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Speaker 2: Good job.

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Speaker 3: Jacoby Colts went up seventeen to nothing on Jacksonville in

836
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Speaker 3: the first quarter, coast of the rest of the way,

837
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Speaker 3: but left the back door open late as the Jags

838
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 3: covered Trevor Lawrence three of fourteen at the half. Jaguars

839
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 3: not looking great. A revenge game for Cowboys defensive coiner

840
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Speaker 3: Dan Quinn, whose defense sucked the life out of Matt

841
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 3: Ryan and his old Falcons team Atlanta one of eleven

842
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 3: on third down they had the ball. Twenty two minutes,

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Speaker 3: forty three to three, Cowboys beat down over Atlanta, and

844
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Speaker 3: last but not least, a reality check for the Mic

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Speaker 3: White Parade as everyone's favorite survivor castaway through four interceptions,

846
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 3: and like the Chiefs did tonight, the Bills also kind

847
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 3: of look like the Bills again. Forty five seventeen over

848
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Speaker 4: gambler in New Jersey, Pennsylvania and West Virginia. One eight

876
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 4: hundred nine with it in Indiana, one eight hundred two

877
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 4: seven zero seven one one seven in Michigan, one eight

878
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 4: hundred eight eight nine nine seven eight nine in Tennessee.

879
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 4: One eight hundred bets off in Iowa or one eight

880
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 4: eight eight five three to two thirty five hundred in Virginia.

881
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 4: That's sink not available in Nevana. Thanks so much for listening.

882
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 4: Let's get back to the show.

883
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 3: All right Monday night, we've got a good one out

884
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 3: in the NFC West. The Los Angeles Rams head to

885
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 3: San Francisco to take on the forty nine Ers. This

886
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: line has been slowly, slowly inching down all week long.

887
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 3: Currently the Rams are three and a half point road favorites.

888
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 3: We got a total at fifty. This one looks pretty interesting.

889
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:28,959
Speaker 3: What do you make of this game?

890
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: This is a really really interesting game. First things first,

891
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan has dominated this matchup. He's won each of

892
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: the last four meets against Sean mcvay's Rams. But I

893
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: can't do it. There's a lot of sharp money on

894
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, but this team really just hasn't

895
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: perform the way you would expect them to play. And

896
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: the offense is I mean, it's actually solid, but there's something,

897
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: there's a disconnect there and I don't quite understand it. Like,

898
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: what's your thoughts on this fort night?

899
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 2: I struggled the same way I dug through.

900
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 3: You know, you and I both love to look at

901
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 3: EPA's and dvoas and all the numbers, the niners by

902
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 3: all the numbers other than the one that matters the

903
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 3: win loss record. The other numbers make them look pretty good.

904
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 3: They're number nine in DVOA at Football Outsiders. They're number

905
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 3: six in offensive DVOA. Who in the world thinks the

906
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 3: forty nine Ers are the sixth best offense in the NFL.

907
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 3: They're a top eight passing attack, running attack, and running defense.

908
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 3: They're just terrible on passing defense. We can agree with

909
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 3: the numbers on that one. Their special team has been

910
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 3: very good at Football Outsiders, so they're three and five

911
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 3: Football Outsiders expected wins five point two. That's a pretty

912
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 3: huge difference. They have played the fourth toughest strength of

913
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 3: schedule so far, so I think that's a little bit

914
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 3: of it. And if you look at the games too,

915
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 3: they almost beat the Cardinals the first game, not last week.

916
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 2: That was bad.

917
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 3: They almost be the Cardinals, and that was with Trey

918
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 3: Lance no Jimmy Garoppolo. They the Colts in the fourth quarter.

919
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 3: Blew that one. They should have bet the Packers. They

920
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 3: blew that one late. They've missed George Kittle for three games.

921
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 2: He's back. I think he might be their best player.

922
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 3: They miss Jimmy Goppolo for game and a half, Trent

923
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 3: Williams for a game. They missed a bunch of their defenders.

924
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 3: So I don't know. I'm trying to talk myself into

925
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,919
Speaker 3: what the numbers are seeing in the Niners. I see

926
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 3: the picture they're painting. I don't know if I totally

927
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 3: buy it either.

928
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think the tragic thing about this game

929
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: is that the Rams are just coming off such a

930
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 1: disappointed boss like had they won last week against the Titans.

931
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: I feel like we might have some value with the

932
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: forty nine ers after they're disappointing loss. But you're if

933
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: you're fading Sean McVay, you're you're fating a guy who's

934
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,399
Speaker 1: nine in two eighty against the spread on the road

935
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 1: coming off of loss. And I just don't know if

936
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: I can do that. But there's a lot of sharp

937
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: money on the foty nine. It's probably gonna be a

938
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: classic Sharps versus Squares match up. With me personally, I

939
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: don't want to back the forty nine ers. I had

940
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:07,280
Speaker 1: them last week against the Cardinals and no Kyla Murray,

941
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: no DeAndre Hopkins, and it wasn't even a contest. You

942
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: beat the clothes and Mom about five and a half points,

943
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: And so it's just I think they're all my do

944
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: not bit miss break.

945
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.

946
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 3: It was a rough game last week, and it's it's

947
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 3: really hard to get past that perception of just like

948
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 3: that was one of the biggest eggs that we've seen

949
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 3: any team lay this whole season, and so it's really

950
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 3: hard to get that taste out of your mouth as

951
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 3: a better It's also very important to do that because

952
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 3: it's just one game. Sometimes it just isn't your day.

953
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 3: And you know, if that was a week one game,

954
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 3: if you flip the schedule all the way around, we

955
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 3: wouldn't be thinking about that. It'd be like, oh, well,

956
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 3: you know, they've come a long ways and so and

957
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 3: maybe that they just are eager. Like the Rams are

958
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 3: good off of the loss, why can't the Niners be

959
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 3: good off of just like, Hey, that was awful. We

960
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 3: need to come out and you know, play on our

961
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,280
Speaker 3: home field and look good on Monday night. Like you said,

962
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 3: McVeigh struggled against Shanahan. I had that in my notes

963
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 3: as well. Last year McVay lost twice outright as the

964
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 3: favorite to Shanahan.

965
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: So they're not going to be afraid of this team.

966
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 3: The other thing too, that I saw underdogs of five

967
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 3: points or less against teams who have failed to cover

968
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 3: three in a row. That's the Rams. The Rams are

969
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 3: not covering lately. They keep kind of leaving the door open.

970
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 3: That implies that they probably are getting a little overvalued

971
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 3: by the books. So in that spot where underdogs are

972
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 3: five points are less seventy two to fifty five and

973
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 3: seven against the spread, So fifty six point seven percent

974
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 3: cover then includes three to one this season all three

975
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 3: underdogs that covered one outright too. So there is the

976
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 3: numbers would tell us to bet the Niners here. The

977
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 3: numbers are telling us San Francisco is not so much

978
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 3: worse than the Rams. The numbers are telling us the

979
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 3: Rams aren't playing super well lately, that that the books

980
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 3: are probably overvaluing this line a little bit. I gotta say,

981
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 3: if the line got down further to three or below,

982
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 3: I'm definitely out. I definitely don't want to do it

983
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 3: At three and a half. I might put a little

984
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 3: bit on San Francisco just because to home Monday night

985
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 3: dog to division game, to high line there, But yeah,

986
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 3: I know, I don't want to bet on the Rams

987
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 3: on this game. I might put a little bit on

988
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 3: the Niners. It feels like it feels like a game

989
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to just mostly watch and learn a

990
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 3: lot from though.

991
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, my mom was actually showing Rams minus five, so

992
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: like its four four or five, it's about the same.

993
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: It's still in that dead zone, so I'm not really

994
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: seeing much of an edge on the side total wise.

995
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: I just I think Robert Woods being out kind of hurts.

996
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: I don't really I gotta get a procession for this

997
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: offense without him.

998
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:52,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously we didn't mention Odell Beckham, the Rams second

999
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 3: big trade in a couple of weeks.

1000
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 2: Von Miller is in. Odell Beckham is in.

1001
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 3: I don't know if von Miller will still play yet,

1002
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 3: he didn't play last week. They're trying to get that

1003
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 3: ankle healthy. Obviously playing the long game here. Beckham I

1004
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 3: think will play, but you know, you can't imagine he's

1005
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 3: gonna be out there for a ton of plays as

1006
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 3: they can of work him into things. So yeah, i

1007
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 3: i'd the under, thinking like, well, maybe they'll just have

1008
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 3: a hard time getting things moving. But Rams games have

1009
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 3: been pretty high scoring this season, so the under is

1010
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 3: a little scary there, even at fifty. The one scary

1011
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 3: number here if I bet on San Francisco, the Rams

1012
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 3: Passing Defense EPA the last four weeks ranks first in

1013
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 3: the NFL. The Niners passing defense EPA ranks dead last

1014
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 3: in the ep or in the NFL for that span,

1015
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 3: so zero point four or five EPA. And the Rams

1016
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 3: like to pass and they're very good at it, and

1017
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:46,240
Speaker 3: Cooper Cup has been obliterating other teams, so that's scary

1018
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 3: if I do bet on the Niners. I'm looking for

1019
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 3: Elijah Mitchell to be the reason that I kind of

1020
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 3: stay in the game. George Kittle blocking and getting some

1021
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,280
Speaker 3: of those catches underneath, and then just Elijah Mitchell carrying

1022
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 3: the ball and keeping Stafford on the side line, keeping

1023
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 3: it close.

1024
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 2: I do think it'll be close.

1025
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,439
Speaker 3: It doesn't seem like the Rams are gonna run away

1026
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 3: with us. It feels like a spot where the Niners

1027
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,399
Speaker 3: are kind of fighting for their season a little bit

1028
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 3: and are undervalued. But it's a tough one. It sounds

1029
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 3: like we're leaning Niners but mostly staying away here.

1030
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:17,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1031
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: I think that's that's what we're doing, all right.

1032
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 3: A lot to get to our Week eleven hot red

1033
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 3: and then get you out.

1034
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: Of here, ice rights, ice cream.

1035
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 3: Of course, as always, we're looking ahead to next weekend's

1036
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:35,760
Speaker 3: games getting some early value.

1037
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 2: What is your first hot raid for him?

1038
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: I'm going with the New Orleans Saints plus one and

1039
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: a half against the Eagles. I know this has been

1040
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 1: some short money on the Filidelphia Eagles this week. Are

1041
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 1: ready as it was in the last five weeks. But

1042
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: like we spoke on this earlier, the Eagles there, they've

1043
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: been running the ball, and that's their personality, that's what

1044
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 1: they do, that's their identity right now. But they're gonna

1045
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: be facing a Saint defense which is third in bolth

1046
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: rushing EPA for play and success rate, the second and

1047
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 1: runs that win rate, So they're gonna be able to

1048
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: slow down his Eagles offense. And I the Eagles don't

1049
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,280
Speaker 1: have a ton of wide receivers. They got DeVonta Smith,

1050
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 1: obviously Dallas Godder is in their so they got guys

1051
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: like Latimore who could shut down, you know, a number

1052
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: one receiver. And I don't see the Eagles offense performing

1053
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: the same way it did against the Broncos. So I

1054
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: like the Saints in this spot. I think, to me,

1055
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: I think Trevor Simeon will be able to put be

1056
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: able to put together some plays against his Eagles defense,

1057
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: So give me the Saints this one.

1058
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 3: Looking at the schedule, it jumped off the page to

1059
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 3: me and too just for that exact matchup. You said

1060
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 3: the Eagles with all their run, run, run, run, and

1061
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 3: the Saints have been one of the best run defenses

1062
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 3: the entire season. So as a as a football nerd,

1063
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 3: I'm very excited to kind of dig into the matchup

1064
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 3: and see. But it definitely leans toward the Saints for

1065
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 3: that reason, so I considered them or two. I think

1066
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 3: you're against me on this one, but my first hot

1067
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 3: read here, I'm gonna go with the Carolina Panthers at

1068
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 3: home to Washington football team. I'm gonna take the Panthers

1069
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 3: as two and a half point favorites, grabbing that one

1070
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:13,720
Speaker 3: before it gets to the three or passed.

1071
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:14,959
Speaker 2: I don't want to get the hook there.

1072
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 3: I think the Panthers are gonna start Cam Newton, and

1073
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 3: that means that I get Cam Newton at home where

1074
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 3: the crowd loves them. The Panthers fans love Cam Newton.

1075
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 3: They're gonna be excited. It's going to be a great crowd.

1076
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 3: That defense is nasty and looking healthy and ready to

1077
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 3: go again. I know that the defense has only been

1078
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 3: great against teams that aren't very good. I don't think

1079
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,720
Speaker 3: Washington is very good. Of course, we get Ron Rivera

1080
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 3: and Cam Newton reuniting in the same game for Cam's return.

1081
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 3: That does make me a little nervous. Maybe Ron Rivera

1082
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 3: knows how to defend Cam obviously is a pretty unique quarterback.

1083
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 3: But no Chase Young two for Washington. I like Carolina

1084
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 3: here to get the win at home.

1085
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely want to see that injury report. I

1086
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 1: think I think Manta as a little banged up as well.

1087
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: So when I look at this game, though, I was

1088
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: really really I was so impressed with what Washington did

1089
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: and I kind of have to wait at heavily because

1090
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: this is the team that I thought that they would be.

1091
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 1: And then when I look at Carolina's went over the Cardinals,

1092
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: I think that said a lot more about the Cardinals

1093
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: than it did about Caroline. So yeah, when I look

1094
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: at this, Yeah, when I look at this line, I'm

1095
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: just not sure, Like this is probably gonna get the

1096
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: three based on what Carolina did, and I'm not sure

1097
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: that's warranted. So for me, from a number's perspective, I'm

1098
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 1: kind of looking at Washington.

1099
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's the angle for me. It's not necessarily

1100
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 3: that this is going to be my most confident play

1101
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 3: of the week. It's that I want to grab that

1102
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 3: line at two and a half before it gets to

1103
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 3: the three or three and a half because I think,

1104
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 3: you know that is still the key number, and so

1105
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 3: I'm gonna grab I'm gonna make my play here, and

1106
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 3: then I'm probably just done for the week after I

1107
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:53,479
Speaker 3: get my money in because i just want to grab

1108
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 3: it before I get to the field goal there.

1109
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense. My model actually puts that game

1110
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: at a pick.

1111
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, I think that there could be value here.

1112
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 3: Obviously Carolina looked way better today than they actually are,

1113
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 3: but I think Washington did a little bit too, So

1114
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 3: I think it's keeping the line in range there either

1115
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 3: that panther is minus three and a half, where I

1116
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 3: think it's gonna get to you.

1117
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 2: So we'll see what happens with that one. What's your

1118
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:14,399
Speaker 2: other hot raiding?

1119
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: My other hot read is I'm gonna go with this

1120
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: is a lean right now. I like the Minnesota Vikings.

1121
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: I keep betting on week after week. I know that's

1122
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: your team, but I believe in them more than you do.

1123
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: And I think part of it is just this team

1124
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,800
Speaker 1: could run the ball. With Dalvin Cook, you got dynamic

1125
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: receivers and Justin Jefferson Adam Feeling. You have everything you

1126
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: need offensively. And there's a reason why this team has

1127
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 1: held seven point leads in every single game. Obviously, Aaron

1128
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: Rodgers still a little bit rusty. But when you look

1129
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: at this Vikings team, they gave the Packers trouble last

1130
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 1: year and on the road in Lambeau, and actually they

1131
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: won that game outright, and I think they can do

1132
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: the same thing here. Obviously, they played the two deep shell,

1133
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: which is you know what a lot of defenses are

1134
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: doing to Patrick Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson,

1135
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: and I think they could do their here. So I

1136
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 1: think the Minnesota Vikings have some value. Again, they keep

1137
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: having value week after week. Obviously, Packers they cover every

1138
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 1: single game, But this is a market, and at some

1139
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: point the market catches up with you. And I think

1140
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: if this gets the three, I'm gonna be all over

1141
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: the bike.

1142
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would like it a lot better if it

1143
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 3: got to three. Underneath three, I don't know. I just

1144
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 3: I never have a good read on the Vikings. Whatever

1145
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 3: is happening this season, any game you can just like

1146
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 3: flip a coin on whatever outcome is going to happen.

1147
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,240
Speaker 3: I do like, you know, they've had so many close games,

1148
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 3: so getting them as an underdog it to me it

1149
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 3: reads more like a better teaser play spot. You know,

1150
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 3: it's a good teaser number that I'm sure you would

1151
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 3: like as well. I don't feel great about just getting

1152
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 3: it at you know, I could see the Packer like

1153
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 3: as a Vikings fan, I've had way too many games

1154
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 3: in my life watching either Aaron Rodgers or Brett Fahre

1155
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 3: down the field for that game when you field goal

1156
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 3: at the end, So I would like it better at three.

1157
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 2: Underneath the three.

1158
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 3: It's probably'm gonna wait and see if it gets there,

1159
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 3: But I do like the teaser spot.

1160
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: One thing we I neglect to mention is also the

1161
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: Packers will be without Aaron Jones. That's a big loss

1162
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: for them in both the running and passing game and Dylan,

1163
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: but I think Aaron Jones is a little bit more shifty.

1164
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: He's a guy who can go to in a passing game,

1165
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: who's just dangerous in space, and they're not going to

1166
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:28,760
Speaker 1: have that, So I think that's a little scared.

1167
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. Aaron Jones is the definitely a guy

1168
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 3: that's hurt. The Vikings definitely more dynamic. AJ Dillon is

1169
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 3: a good power runner, but you're limiting the offense a

1170
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:37,439
Speaker 3: little bit there.

1171
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, it does look like Jones will be out

1172
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 2: all right.

1173
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 3: My other hot red, I'm going to take an underdog.

1174
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with the Indianapolis Colts plus seven in

1175
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 3: the Buffalo.

1176
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 2: I just think seven is too much.

1177
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 3: The Colts are really good, and the Colts are playing

1178
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 3: really good football right now. Today's game got a little

1179
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 3: ugly the second half. I think they just kind of

1180
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:01,280
Speaker 3: wrapped up business in the first quarter. Nothing against the Jags.

1181
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 3: That game is over. You're not gonna lose that game.

1182
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 3: So I think they kind of took their foot off

1183
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 3: the gas. Buffalo looked really good today. Buffalo has not

1184
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 3: looked good the last few weeks, and we've talked a

1185
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 3: lot about Buffalo today and other weeks on this podcast. Honestly,

1186
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 3: this is gonna sound crazy. I don't really know that

1187
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 3: Josh Allen is that much better than Carson Wentz right now.

1188
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 3: They're playing kind of similar, fine but not amazing. Quarterback player.

1189
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 3: Right now, Jonathan Taylor is running all over the place.

1190
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 3: I think they're gonna be able to run the ball.

1191
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 3: Colt's defense has been very good, and I think it's

1192
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,760
Speaker 3: gonna limit the Bills offense. They haven't really been scoring

1193
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 3: that well until they get hot for stretches, so I

1194
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 3: think that I wouldn't be surprised if I end up

1195
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 3: taking this as an upset special as well. For now,

1196
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna take the plus seven. I feel like

1197
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 3: this line is gonna drop a little bit, so I'm

1198
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 3: gonna grab the key number while it's there. Even at

1199
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 3: some books that's already dropping, so I want to get

1200
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 3: the seven. I think the line should be closer to

1201
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 3: maybe four point or something like that, so I'm gonna

1202
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 3: grab the seven and get some value on the Colts here.

1203
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 1: Actually have it at five, so I agree with you.

1204
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 1: And who have the Bills beaten this year? Other than

1205
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. They've beaten the Dolphins twice, like they lost

1206
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: to the Steelers at home. They beat up on the

1207
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: Washington football team, they beat up on the Texans. To me,

1208
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: they beat up, beat up. They lost to the Jaguars,

1209
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: and they beat up on the Jets. Like, to me,

1210
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 1: this team is just they're bully, So I don't have

1211
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: the respect for them that I don't believe that this

1212
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: is the same team as we saw last year where

1213
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,919
Speaker 1: they just you know, went out there and dominated every

1214
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: single game. So I like, I like them, and I

1215
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: think the Colts are they're a playoff team in AFC.

1216
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 2: I mean they might be.

1217
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 3: I think we've got twelve teams in the AFC with

1218
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 3: five wins, which the Colts are one of them, so

1219
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 3: they're gonna need to win it. They play the Bills

1220
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 3: and then the Bucks the next two week, so they've

1221
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 3: got to get one of those two games, I think,

1222
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 3: and this seems like an easier spot. This just feels

1223
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 3: to me like this feels like that opening Saturday AFC

1224
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 3: playoff game, and of course it's the Bills in there.

1225
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 3: Usually it's like an old Bengals game. I just feel

1226
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 3: like we're gonna get like seventeen sixteen or twenty to sixteen,

1227
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 3: just close cage, strategic, lots of defense, lots of punting,

1228
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 3: cold weather football, you know, Like, I think that's we're

1229
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 3: gonna get in this game. And so I plus sound

1230
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 3: after like my chances of at least covering. I think

1231
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 3: the Colts I have a chance to win.

1232
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: Ironically, we actually got Bills versus Colts in the playoffs

1233
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: in the Wildcart last year in Buffalo and the Coats covered.

1234
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 3: It was probably it was probably the first game of

1235
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:40,919
Speaker 3: the weekend too, because that's how we.

1236
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: Like to do in AFC. Yeah, exactly what happened. Philip

1237
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: Rivers last game of his square played a really good game,

1238
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: So I don't know, maybe a little day Japple with Carson.

1239
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:52,760
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1240
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,480
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1241
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1245
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,240
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00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,520
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1247
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