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Speaker 1: Happy Bunday everyone, and welcome inside with the Insider's alongside

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Speaker 1: and Rappaport and Mike Garafollo. I am Tom Pellicero. Jane

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Speaker 1: Slater will we join us in just a few minutes.

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Speaker 1: She like, we have awakened after the late night game

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Speaker 1: that ended in a tie, as we do every Monday,

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Speaker 1: because we've got a pregame show on NFL and.

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Speaker 2: We all watched every bit of it.

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Speaker 1: We're on NFL Networks MBM Eastern time Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Fridays.

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Speaker 3: We're on the Fast Channel Thursdays or on YouTube every day.

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Speaker 1: Mondays is very special though, because we do a podcast

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Speaker 1: breaking down all the news, all the games, everything we

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Speaker 1: saw from what is this week the fourth Sunday of

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Speaker 1: the NFL season, And again we will get to last

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Speaker 1: night the Cowboys and Packers game that everyone was looking

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Speaker 3: Kind of walked off the field and I'm sure shut off.

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Speaker 1: The TV, like, ah, all right, we'll talk about that,

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Speaker 1: we had some significant injuries on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: None bigger ian than Malik.

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Speaker 1: Neighbors suffering a torn ACL, an injury that cast a

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Speaker 3: Been a triumphant type of day in New York. Jackson

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Speaker 4: The juice is back in the building.

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Speaker 3: But you look at this play.

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Speaker 1: As soon as we saw that right knee buckle, you

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we should definitely keep showing it because it's definitely

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Speaker 5: less horrifying each time.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you saw it go down, you saw the

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Speaker 5: and awful blow for the New York Giants. Is one

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Speaker 5: He's one of the biggest and best and most important

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Speaker 5: But you know, to lose neighbors, I would say, stings. Now,

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Speaker 5: there's no way, Mike to like make this sound good.

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Speaker 5: It's all bad, right, Like, there's there's really no positivity.

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Speaker 5: Without a dominant receiver, it's going to force Jackson Dark

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Speaker 1: And this was a kind of a curious one because

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Speaker 6: John is in old school, uh, throwback soul and and

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Speaker 6: joining me. We've got we've got a lot of moving

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Speaker 6: Forty to forty.

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Speaker 3: A late night.

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Speaker 6: But the good thing is with NFL Plus you can

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Speaker 6: always catch up quickly on the games, and that's what

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Speaker 6: Ian did this morning. So having said all of that, Jane,

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Speaker 8: I mean, the expectations are so low.

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Speaker 7: They have the number one rated offense in the league

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Speaker 8: Didn't feel good.

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Speaker 7: I think a lot of people were sort of shocked

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Speaker 5: No, I did not choose Bed, Bed chose me. I

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Speaker 2: What is out? I don't even know. I made it

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Speaker 5: I woke up this morning to a lot of texts

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Speaker 6: I'm responsible for one of those texts because I know

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Speaker 6: Matt Lafloor at the end there, and Jordan Love as well,

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Speaker 4: It's got to be somewhe where the clock get which one?

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Speaker 6: This is first down. Okay, so nine o'clock stopped at

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Speaker 6: So here's second and thirteen and ahead. I'm saying they've

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Speaker 4: To be thrown away.

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Speaker 6: It's got to be in the end zone because if

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Speaker 6: completed on a short checkdown. You can't do that in

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Speaker 4: And these are the things that come playoff time.

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Speaker 6: We always focus, were hyper focused on what happens in

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Speaker 4: Well, and I at least get a.

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Speaker 6: Tie, which doesn't feel great at that point, but it's

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Speaker 6: better than a loss this situation here, Jane.

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Speaker 4: Talk about a feeling after a tie.

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Speaker 6: Nobody ever knows what to feel to me, And I

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Speaker 4: Seems you know, not a win.

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Speaker 6: But hey, not a loss to Micah in our building,

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Speaker 4: But I did see somebody mentioned.

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 7: Because nobody expected the Cowboys to win this one. I

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Speaker 7: here in wreck shop and you know, see the Cowboys credit.

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Speaker 8: They had a pretty good plan for him throughout the night.

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Speaker 7: I think last I checked, he only had three solo tackles.

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Speaker 7: They gave him the sack. After the game, he found

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Speaker 7: there was so much talk about this defense, especially after Chicago.

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Speaker 7: Matt Aberflus went to one word play calls, We've been

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Speaker 8: There's no moral victories what.

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Speaker 7: I sort of appreciate their resilience and how they hung

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Speaker 7: not the best game that he's ever played. You know,

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Speaker 8: Is that scored a football game? That was the blocked.

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Speaker 7: Extra point from r Kes Bell and Yandie Thomas who

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Speaker 8: There you can see me right there behind Jalen.

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Speaker 3: Tom Yeah you are, You're on TV, Dame.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, congrats.

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Speaker 2: So a couple of things.

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Speaker 5: First of all, I know there are no moral victories,

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Speaker 5: They have a the possibility of having a franchise quarterback

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Speaker 5: Kenny Clark played well, also played maybe really well. I

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Speaker 8: Go ahead, James, Look, we've talked about this.

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Speaker 8: They were very emotional after the game.

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Speaker 8: But then if you go back and.

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Speaker 7: Look, people are you know. I talked to Trayvon about

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Speaker 7: We played it earlier. He had a critical play that

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Speaker 7: forced spreen Bay Packers to kick the field goal at

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Speaker 7: the end, and so he did step up when it counted.

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Speaker 7: So I just wonder what that's going to look like

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Speaker 7: moving forward. And I'm looking forward to asking Eberflus what

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Speaker 7: that rotation was all about.

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Speaker 2: So I have, sorry, Mike, to jump in you. I

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Speaker 2: have two thoughts. One, I want to start with the

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Speaker 2: Diggs thing.

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Speaker 5: That's coaching, Like you talk about the effectiveness of Brian Schottenheimer, like,

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Speaker 5: you don't just get to start, yep, and if you

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Speaker 5: need to work harder or better or more diligently or

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Speaker 5: not doing something like, you don't just get your job.

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Speaker 5: So when I saw you didn't start, I was like, okay,

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Speaker 5: like let's see and the response was what it was. Now,

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Speaker 5: Diggs is probably mad. I would be mad. Everybody should

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Speaker 5: be mad. But the response was good football, and so

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Speaker 5: I like that.

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Speaker 7: I actually think he's more coachable than people give him

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Speaker 7: credit for. I mean, he played for Nick Saban at Alabama.

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Speaker 7: I just think his body language, unfortunately doesn't always convey that,

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Speaker 7: and not everyone's great at that.

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Speaker 5: The other thing I want to say, Oh, John Harbow

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Speaker 5: just announced that nominee Matabuque is out for the season

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Speaker 5: the next year.

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Speaker 4: Had a feeling that was coming.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, see this is what you get on the

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Speaker 7: Insider's podcast.

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Speaker 8: Stuff happening right now.

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Speaker 2: That is a bad one.

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Speaker 5: Here's the other thing I want to say quickly, while

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Speaker 5: Mike sends his tweet at the breakfast table this morning,

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Speaker 5: Max says to me, my twelve year old says, well, like,

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Speaker 5: if you're going to get traded and you just don't

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Speaker 5: want to get traded, Like what do you do? I

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Speaker 5: was like, that is a great question, and I kind

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Speaker 5: of broke down the Micah situation and how David Willi

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Speaker 5: got to handles things with his clients where he's like,

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Speaker 5: you have a say, you have rights if you don't

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Speaker 5: want to be traded somewhere. You don't have to get

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Speaker 5: traded somewhere. You don't have to sign if you don't

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Speaker 5: want to. You can have power and rights as a player.

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Speaker 5: And that's kind of how you know, that's kind of

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Speaker 5: how Micah ended up with the Packers the place he wanted,

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Speaker 5: with a huge contract polause. He was like, I'm going

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Speaker 5: to have my say and make sure that this is

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Speaker 5: where I want to be and this is the money

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Speaker 5: I want to have, So you know, you're right. I

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Speaker 5: do think the Cowboys wanted to play it out with Micah,

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Speaker 5: and kudos for Micah for being like, nope, I have

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Speaker 5: rights too.

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Speaker 2: I thought that was cool.

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Speaker 8: Well, yes, said no unless you have a no trade clause.

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Speaker 7: I mean the team can't and and the option then

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Speaker 7: is you don't sign it, you sit out. What player

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Speaker 7: wants to sit out and lose his leverage for the trade,

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Speaker 7: which I think the two dides still and I think

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Speaker 7: leading up to the game, the most annoying aspect of

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Speaker 7: this whole game was the narrative around Micah and Jerry.

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Speaker 7: I don't think it affected the players as much as

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Speaker 7: it affected those two individually. And even after the game,

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Speaker 7: it was Jerry Hugh said, well, we just I found

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Speaker 7: I basically decided that Dak was indispensable and Micah was it.

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Speaker 7: And I'm like, why are we taking that shot after this?

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Speaker 7: After the game?

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Speaker 8: And then.

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Speaker 7: This this was after postgame and the scrub, and then

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Speaker 7: you've got Mike up at the podium saying, you know,

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Speaker 7: Kenny Clark heard from from Goot after the trade. I

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Speaker 7: didn't hear from Jerry my GM the guy that drafted me.

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Speaker 7: So he's like, man to man, that's respecting. So it's

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Speaker 7: like they're still going at each other. And then I

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Speaker 7: got Clarence Hill interviewing Micah's mom, who, if you'll, were

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Speaker 7: called in.

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Speaker 8: The preseason game.

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Speaker 7: She was in Jerry's box with her and she said

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Speaker 7: Jerry promised her he wasn't going to trade him.

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Speaker 8: So it's like, that's.

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Speaker 7: That's inside the game. By the way, she was wearing

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Speaker 7: a white shirt was green. It wasn't an audacious green

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Speaker 7: green Bay, but it was.

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Speaker 8: It was a white Jersey.

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Speaker 7: I tried to get cameras in there, but apparently his mom,

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Speaker 7: Chanie invited everyone and their mother's and Mike eventually had

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Speaker 7: to tell her she couldn't invite everybody, and Trayvon's family

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Speaker 7: was planning on being in there too, but she over

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Speaker 7: extended it over and invited. You know, you'd almost feel

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Speaker 7: like Jerry could have given him a solid though, and

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Speaker 7: like bought the sweep from him and gifted it to

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Speaker 7: someone else instead.

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Speaker 8: Mike is still on the hook for it.

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Speaker 6: So with the Cowboys, uh, you get t the lamb

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Speaker 6: back healthy.

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Speaker 4: At some point Trayvon works his way in the full shape.

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Speaker 6: Cooper BB going to be coming up, Uh, probably about

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Speaker 6: four weeks away from that at this point.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, they didn't put him.

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Speaker 7: They didn't put him or CD on ir right, So

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Speaker 7: I saw both of them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he was on ir right. No, I thought I

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Speaker 4: saw it.

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Speaker 8: No, Booker, Booker. Booker was in a cast.

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Speaker 7: He was in a walking boot yesterday, so that's going

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Speaker 7: to take some time to get him back. The one

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Speaker 7: I'm excited to see show back up is Demorvi and Overshown.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Agent zero big a big part of what they do.

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Speaker 4: So look, I know it's early.

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Speaker 6: I just took a look at the NFC and there

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Speaker 6: is a cluster of teams right now all around two

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Speaker 6: and two in the Cowboys cases, what one, two and

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Speaker 6: one we got.

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Speaker 8: And then wait for the playoff scenarios.

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Speaker 7: If it doubted that you got away the Green Bay

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Speaker 7: game and the Cowboys game and the tie, it's just

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Speaker 7: it's Pete.

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Speaker 8: It's Pete chaos, and I.

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Speaker 7: Kind of love it, and I love that it wasn't

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Speaker 7: one of those I love that wasn't one of those

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Speaker 7: lame ties either.

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Speaker 8: I mean, it was really such a good game, guys,

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Speaker 8: it was, but.

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Speaker 6: It just ruins calculations. There's a third number in there.

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Speaker 6: It's almost like a half the game. It's just we're

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Speaker 6: already watch We'll get another one and I'll just further murky,

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Speaker 6: further muddy the waters.

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Speaker 4: James Slayer, thank you very much, appreciate it. Yeah, this

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Speaker 4: is going to be an entertaining Cowboys team.

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Speaker 6: And like I said, this NFC is no reason why

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Speaker 6: they can't be in the mix, especially if they get

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Speaker 6: some of these key.

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Speaker 4: Players back in the coming weeks. Uh. Part that's Part

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Speaker 4: one of the Insiders. Part two of the Insiders is

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Speaker 4: coming up.

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Speaker 6: We've got thoughts on the Giants, the first game of

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Speaker 6: the Jackson Dart era. The Eagles are horrible four and

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Speaker 6: zero in Philadelphia. Just listen to those folks there, as

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Speaker 6: well as Michael Pennix's bounced back game and the first

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Speaker 6: NFL game in Dublin. That is coming up next on

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Speaker 6: The Insiders, Part two. This is part one, Go find

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Speaker 6: part two.

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Speaker 4: Okay, thank you