1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Let not your heart be troubled. You are listening to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: the Sean Hannity Radio Show podcast. General Kelly just took 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: to the podium and I want to play it in full. 4 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: This will be a third topic today and tonight. I 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: want you to listen to what he had to say 6 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: about those that dare politicize the death of a soldier. 7 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: And that means all of you fake news people on CNN, NBC, 8 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: mainstream media, you discussed me. All of you listen. Uh, 9 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,959 Speaker 1: most Americans don't know what happens when we lose one 10 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,279 Speaker 1: of our soldier, Sailors, m and Marines, coast Guards been 11 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: in combat. So let me tell you what happens. Their 12 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: buddies wrap them up in whatever passes as a shroud, 13 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: puts him on a helicopter as a routine, and sends 14 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: them home. Uh. Their first stop along the way is 15 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: when they're packed an ice, uh typically at the at 16 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: the air head. And then they've flown to using Europe 17 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: where they're then packed an ice again in flowing to 18 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: Dover fourth Space where Dover takes care of the remains 19 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: and bombs them meticulously, dresses them in their uniform with 20 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: the with the metals that they've earned the emblems of 21 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: their service, and then puts them on another airplane linked 22 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: up with a casualty officer escort that takes them home. 23 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: A very very good movie to watch if you haven't 24 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 1: ever seen it, is Taking Chance, where this is done 25 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,559 Speaker 1: in a movie HBO setting Chance Phelps was killed under 26 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: my command right next to me, and it's worth seeing 27 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: that if you've never seen it. So that's the process. Well, 28 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: that's happening. A casualty officer typically goes to the home 29 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: very early in the morning and waits for the first 30 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: lights to come on, and then he knocks on the door. 31 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: Typically the mom and dad will answer wife, and if 32 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: there is a wife, this is happening in two different places. 33 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: If the parents are divorced, three different places, and the 34 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: casually casualty officer uh proceeds to break the heart of 35 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: a family member and stays with that family until UH, 36 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: well for a long long time, even after the internment. 37 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: So that's what happens. Who are these young men and women. 38 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: They are the best one percent this country produces. Most 39 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: of you, as Americans don't know them. Many of you 40 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 1: don't know anyone who knows any of one of them, 41 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: but they are the very best country produces, and they 42 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: volunteered to protect our country when there's nothing in our 43 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: country anymore. That seems to suggest that self such service 44 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: to the nation is not only appropriate but required. So 45 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: that's all right. Um. Who writes letters to the families? 46 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: Typically a company commander in my case is a marine 47 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: the company commander, Britannic command of regimental commander, Division commander, 48 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: Secretary of Defense, typically the service chief comment on the 49 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: Marine corps, and the president typically writes a letter. Typically, 50 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: the only phone calls the family receives are the most 51 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: important phone calls they can imagine, and that is from 52 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: their buddies. In my case, hours after my son was killed, 53 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: his friends were calling us from Afghanistan telling us what 54 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: a great guy was. Those are the only phone calls 55 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: that really matter. And yeah, the the letters count to 56 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: a degree, but there's not much that really can take 57 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: the edge off where the family members going through. So Um. 58 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: Some presidents have elected to call. All presidents, I believe, 59 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: have elected to send letters. Um. If you elect to 60 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: call a family like this, it is about the most 61 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: difficult thing you could imagine. There's no perfect way to 62 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: make that phone call. Ah. When I took this job, 63 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: UH and talked to President UH Trump about how to 64 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: do it. My first recommendation was he not do it 65 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: because it's not the phone call that parents, family members 66 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: are looking forward to. It's nice to do in my opinion. 67 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: In any event, Uh. He asked me about previous presidents, 68 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: and I said, I can tell you that President Obama, 69 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: who was my commander in chief when I was on 70 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: active duty, did not call my family. That was not 71 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: a criticism. That was just to simply say, I don't 72 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: believe President Obama called. That's not a negative thing. I 73 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: don't believe President Bush called in all cases. UM, I 74 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: don't believe any president, particularly when the casualty rates are 75 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: very very high, that president's call. But I believe they 76 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: all right. So when I gave that explanation to our 77 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: president three days ago, UM, he elected to make phone 78 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: calls in the case of the four young men who 79 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: we lost in Niger at the earlier part of this month. 80 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: But then he said, you know what, how do you 81 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: make these calls? If you're not in the family, if 82 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: you've never won the uniform, if you've never been in combat, 83 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: you can't even imagine how to make that call. I 84 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: think he very bravely does make those calls. The call 85 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: in question, uh, that he made yesterday, um day before yesterday. Now, 86 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: who are to four family members? The four fallen? And 87 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: remember there's an next to kin designated by the individual. 88 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: If he's married, that's typically what the spouse. If he's 89 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: not married, that's typically the parents, unless the parents are divorced. 90 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: And then he selects one of them. If you didn't 91 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: get along with his parents, he'll sit, he'll select a sibling. 92 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: But the point is the phone call has made the 93 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: um next akin only if the next kin agrees to 94 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: take the phone call. Sometimes they don't. So a pre 95 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: call has made President of United States, or the comment 96 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: on the Marine Corps, or someone would like to call. 97 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: Will you accept the call? And typically they all accept 98 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: the call. So he called four people the other day 99 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: and expressed his condolence. Isn't the best way that he 100 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: could And he said to me, what do I say? Uh? 101 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: I said to him, sure, there's nothing you can do 102 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: to lighten the burden on these families. But let me 103 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: tell you what I tell him, And let me tell 104 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:44,239 Speaker 1: you what my best friend, Joe Dunfard told me because 105 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: he was my casualty officer. He said, kel Um, he 106 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: was doing exactly what he wanted to do. When he 107 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: was killed. He knew what he was getting in too 108 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: by joining them, that he knew what the possibilities were 109 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: because we're at war. And when he died in the 110 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: four cases we're talking about Niger, my son's case in Afghanistan, 111 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: when he died, he was surrounded by the best men 112 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:23,239 Speaker 1: on this earth, his friends. That's what the President tried 113 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: to say to to full families the other day. I 114 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: was stunned when I came to work yesterday morning, in 115 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: broken hearted at what I saw remember of Congress doing. 116 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: Remember Congress who listened in on a phone call from 117 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: the President United States to a young wife and in 118 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: his way tried to express that opinion. There's a brave man, 119 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: a fallen hero. He knew what he was getting himself 120 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: into because he enlisted. There's no reason on the list. 121 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: He enlisted, and he was where he wanted to be, 122 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: exactly where he wanted to be, with exactly the people 123 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: he wanted to be with when his life was taken. 124 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: That was the message, That was the message that was transmitted. 125 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: It stuns me that a member of Congress would have 126 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:20,239 Speaker 1: listened in on that conversation absolutely stuns me. And I thought, 127 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: at least that was sacred, you know, And as a 128 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: kid growing up, a lot of things were sacred in 129 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: our country. Women were sacred and looked upon with great honor. 130 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: That's obviously not the case anymore, as we received from 131 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 1: recent cases. Life, the dignity of life was sacred. That's gone. 132 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 1: Religion that seems to be gone as well. Gold Star families, 133 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: I think that left in the convention over the summer. 134 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 1: But I just thought the selfless devotion that brings a 135 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: man or woman to die in the battlefield, I just 136 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: thought that that might be sacred. And when I listened 137 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: to this woman and what she was saying and what 138 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: she was doing on TV, the only thing I could 139 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: do to collect my thoughts was to go and walk 140 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: among the finest men and women on this earth. And 141 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: you can always find them because they're in ar Inton 142 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: National Cemetery and over there for an hour and a half, 143 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: walked among the stones, some of whom I put there 144 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: because they were doing what I told them to do 145 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: when they were killed. Um. I'll end with this in 146 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 1: in in October April rather of I still on active duty, 147 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: and I went to the dedication of the new FBI 148 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: field office in Miami, and it was dedicated to two 149 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: men who were killed in a firefight in Miami with 150 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: against drug traffickers. In got my name mcgrogan in Duke H. 151 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: Grogan almost retired, fifty three years old. Duke, I think 152 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: less than a year on the job. Anyways, they've got 153 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: a gunfight and they were killed. Three other FBI agents 154 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: were there, were wounded, now retired. So we go down. 155 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: Jim Comey get an absolutely brilliant memorial speech to those 156 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: fallen men in the in the to all of the 157 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: men and women of the FBI who sure of our 158 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: country so well and law enforcements so well. Uh. There 159 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: were family members there. Some of the children that were 160 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: there were only three or four years old when their 161 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: dads were killed on that street in Miami. Dade Um. 162 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: Three of the men that survived the fight were there 163 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 1: and gave a rendition of how brave those men were 164 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: and how they gave their lives. And a congresswoman stood 165 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: up and in the long tradition of empty barrels making 166 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: the most noise, stood up there and all of that 167 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 1: and talked about how she was instrumental in getting the 168 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: funding for that building, and now she took care of 169 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: her constituents because she got the money. And she just 170 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: called up President Obama and on that phone call, he 171 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: gave the money, the twenty million dollars to build a building. 172 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: And she sat down and we were stunned, stunned that 173 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: she had done it, even for someone that is that 174 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 1: empty a barrel. We were stunned. But you know, none 175 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: of us went to the press and criticized. None of 176 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: us stood up, and we're appalled. We just said, okay, fine, 177 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: So I still hope as you write your stories. And 178 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: I appealed to America that let's not let this maybe 179 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: lost thing that tells sacred in our in our society, 180 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: a young man, young woman going out and giving his 181 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: or her life for our country. Let's let's try to 182 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: somehow keep that, keep that sacred. But it a rod 183 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: did a great deal yesterday by the selfish behavior of 184 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: the member of Congress. So I'm willing to take a 185 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: question or two on this, on this topic. But let 186 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: me ask you this. Let me ask you this, is 187 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: anyone here a gold star parent, a sibling, does anyone 188 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: here know a gold star parent sibling? Okay, you get 189 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 1: the question. Thank you, General Kelly. First of all, you 190 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 1: have pretty deal respects and for five for everything that 191 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: you've ever done. But if we could take this a 192 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: bit further, why were they in Niger? Unbelievable bowment by 193 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: General Kelly. You're the world. We have organized and led 194 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: the three quarters of a century to abandon the ideals 195 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: we have advanced around the globe, to refuse the obligations 196 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: of international leadership and our duty to remain the last 197 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: best hope of Earth for the shake of some half baked, 198 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 1: spurious nationalism cooked up by people who would rather find 199 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: skate goats and soft problems. This is is as unpatriotic 200 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: as an attachment to any other tired dogma of the 201 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: past that Americans consigned to the ash cheap, the ash 202 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: heap of history. No idea, what has happened to? Just 203 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: Senator John McKay news round up information overload our eight 204 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: nine for one, Shawn, if you want to be a 205 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: part of the program. We've been talking at length on 206 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 1: how Donald Trump is totally, almost single handedly now dismantling 207 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: Obama's imperial presidency and the latest on the Iranian deal, 208 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: in the latest on the healthcare deal last week of 209 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: just the two biggest examples, Donald Trump and UH. And 210 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: then of course we've got Steve Bannon saying that what's 211 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: happening with what happened in Alabama is just the beginning, 212 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:52,839 Speaker 1: declaring war on the establishment Rhino Republican party that has 213 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: yet to get anything done. Mitch McConnell is literally ground 214 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: zero in this battle, in this fight, joining us now 215 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: as Senator Ram Paul. It was very instrumental in getting 216 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: the President to pay attention to this nineteen seventy four 217 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: law that exempted corporations that had businesses in different states. 218 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: It allowed these businesses to buy their healthcare across state 219 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: lines and basically it was a cooperative and they weren't 220 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: subject to the burden of state law nor the subject 221 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: to the burdens of the A c A Obamacare rules 222 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: and regulations. And now people can form their own co 223 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: operations associations, and they have the ability to have the 224 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: same benefits that the corporations do. That means the buying 225 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: power that let's say restaurant workers would have, or radio 226 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: workers would have, or any industry workers would have they 227 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: can now buy across state lines. Once this is implemented, 228 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: they can have the buying power, purchasing power of big groups. 229 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: They can buy across state lines, and they could even 230 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: get plans like, for example, a catastrophic plan, which is 231 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: illegal under Obama. The single best thing that could have 232 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: happened for Obamacare, considering the colossal failure of Republicans UH 233 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: to keep their promise to repeal it and place it. 234 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: And Paul was instrumental in all of this. How are you, 235 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: senator quite good? Yeah? What the President did last week 236 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: to legalize individuals to join associations and bi across state lines, 237 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: it may be one of the biggest free market reforms 238 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: ever in the past generation. It also maybe the biggest 239 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: thing that allow people to escape Obamacare, because people are 240 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: gonna be able to get out of those individual marketplaces, 241 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: out of these Obamacare plans, and they're gonna be able 242 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: to get the kind of adjurance. You're right, the big 243 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: corporations have. This is what Pepsi has, it's what Coca 244 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: Cola has, it's what am Gen, Amazon, Microsoft, These big 245 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: corporations offer a risk of plans. So what we're doing 246 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: is saying, hey, the individual is going to be able 247 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: to get a risk of plans now, and through their size, 248 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: they should be able to negotiate lower rates. But also 249 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: through their size, they should be able to negotiate good terms, 250 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: meaning good insurance. Well, I would think that this would 251 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: allow a lot of the things that you will. You 252 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: and I have talked about real solutions for years, and 253 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: I think you're one of like two senators and then 254 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: the Freedom Caucus members that actually discuss things that would work, 255 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: like healthcare savings accounts, like cooperatives. I mean, I think 256 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: you and I have been the biggest supporters of healthcare 257 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: cooperatives because they actually work, and you can couple those 258 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: cooperatives with some type of catastrophic insurance if you have 259 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: an accident, a bad accident, or get a heart attack, 260 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: or get cancer. And about this, Yeah, and the great 261 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: thing about this is doesn't cost any federal money. The 262 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: President mentioned this also. This isn't a big federal program 263 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: like Lindsay Graham's you know, block grant thing that costs 264 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: a trillion dollars in grants. This CAUs zero. This just 265 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: lets you have the freedom to form associations and buy 266 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: insurance and it costs zero taxpayer money. Well, I like 267 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: the idea for all of those reasons, but we still 268 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: really are just threading a needle here because Obamacare is 269 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: still in place, and if Donald Trump is president even 270 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: eight years, that means the next person in is gonna 271 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: undo what the president did here, and then we would 272 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: be back with Obamacare. No. Yeah, but the problem is 273 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: we had six Senators who voted to repeal it in 274 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: I brought up the exact vote this time. I brought it. 275 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: I made them vote on the exact same vote agame 276 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: and and the exact same bill, and it would have 277 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: revealed that repealed the employer mandate, the individual mandate, would 278 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,199 Speaker 1: have repealed all of the taxes, would have been a 279 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: trillion dollar tax cut as well. We could have done 280 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: it with just Republicans, but we lost Republicans who were 281 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: for it and then got weak need and voted against it. 282 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 1: So this is a real problem when we're struggling as 283 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: a Republican party trying to determine who we are anymore. 284 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: We've got a budget battle going on, and I told 285 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: the President that I want to help the president on 286 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: the budget, and I said I will vote for the 287 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 1: budget as long as the spending doesn't exceed the caps. 288 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: But guess who's asking to exceed the caps McCain. McCain 289 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: and Lindsey Graham, both of them are insisting that we 290 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: exceed the caps and that we spend money that is 291 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: above the caps that we put in place. And so 292 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: we have conservative Republicans saying, no, no, the budget should 293 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: should stay within the spending cap. But then you have 294 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 1: John McCay and Lindsay Graham saying, oh no, no, we 295 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: want to spend above the caps, and we won't vote 296 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: for any budget unless it spends above the caps. Well, 297 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: I've got to understand that you said something that I've 298 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: been saying now for a while, and that is the 299 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: Republican Party does not have an identity any longer. They 300 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: really don't have an identity. Well, there's a fake identity. 301 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: There's the identity that every Congressman, every Senator goes home on. 302 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: The Republicans decide and they say, we absolutely need entitlement 303 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 1: reform and it's going to be in the budget ento reform, 304 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 1: but mark my words, they will not do it. They 305 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: will not introduce any bills that will reform entitlements because 306 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: they're afraid of their own shadow. The actual budget has 307 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: like six trillion dollars worth of savings on on entitlements, 308 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: but it's a fiction. They will not do it. They're 309 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: savings for next year. And so this week, when we 310 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: get to the budget, I will introduce an amendment that 311 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: says the instructions for the budget should allow us to 312 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 1: do entitlement reform. And you watch this vote. It's gonna 313 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: be interesting to watch the Republicans squirm because they'll all 314 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: say their full it. But I promise you they'll vote 315 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: against the amendment. They will not vote to allow budget 316 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: reconciliation to be used for So then I you sound 317 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: like me, I mean, because I agree with you about 318 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: Lindsey Graham. I agree with you about John mccainn I 319 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: actually retweeted you last night. I bet you're not even 320 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: aware of it, aren't you? Well? I am, but I 321 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: am you coming today, I'm I'm upset today. I'm mad. 322 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: I'm mad at Republicans who really don't believe they'll join 323 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 1: the club because I've been saying this, shouting this on 324 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: TV and radio for months and months. They suck and 325 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: they have no identity, and they don't work, and they 326 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: have no vision for the future. Of this country. I mean, 327 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: it's pathetic. The Republican party identity, it's a false identity. 328 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: They project that they are the tourment reform. They're lying, 329 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: They're lying. They when they said repeal and replaced, there 330 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,360 Speaker 1: were a hundred Republicans in the House that never had 331 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: any intention. Those seven senators that voted to repeal in 332 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: and you all you needed them to do is vote 333 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: with the same bill in twenty six team when it 334 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: would have happened, and they didn't do it. So they 335 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: were lying to the American people. Isn't that true? It's NonStop. 336 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: This goes on you you it just every day. It's 337 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 1: it's one more thing. But I promise you they're going 338 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: to vote for a budget that says they'll do entitlement reform, 339 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: but I'm going to force an amendment vote. And on 340 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: the amendment, I will say, okay, let's have instructions in 341 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: the bill as to how we could do entitlement reform 342 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: with a simple majority through budget reconciliation, and I guarantee 343 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: they'll all vote no. We're also going to do it 344 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: on Obamacare. I'm gonna insist that they revisit Obamacare on 345 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: the budget and I'm gonna say, let's put instructions in 346 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 1: there that says that we can still repeal Obamacare. I'm 347 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: guessing that most of the Republican leadership will vote against 348 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: me on both of those amendments. Well, I'm guessing you're 349 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 1: probably right. So now we're stuck with what now. The 350 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: President signaled today that he might be willing to cut 351 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: a bipartisan deal to stabilize Obamacare because it's spiraling out 352 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 1: of control. He called it a quote short term solution. Uh, 353 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: we don't have to worry about this transition into what 354 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: you encouraged him to do. And he spoke for you know, 355 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: minutes after he met with Lamar Alexander and Patty Murray. 356 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 1: And those are not two people I have any confidence in. 357 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you the worst of them all 358 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 1: is is your fellow Kentucky Senator Mitch McConnell, who can't 359 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: get a darn thing done. We shouldn't bail out Obamacare. 360 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: I won't vote to bail out Obamacare. We shouldn't give 361 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: the insurance companies any more money. What should happen is 362 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: the people who are trapped in the individual market should 363 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: be allowed to leave, should be allowed to get group 364 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 1: insurance through these health associations. We should do everything possible 365 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: to speed it up. And I can tell you I 366 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: was with the President for you know, a good while 367 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 1: the other day, and the President said he's gonna try 368 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: to speed this up. He wants people to as soon 369 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: as possible, be allowed to leave these individual markets, these 370 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: Obamacare markets. He wants them to get group insurance cross 371 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: state lines. And he's telling his people to expedite this 372 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,959 Speaker 1: and do it as fast as they possibly can. Let 373 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: me play your fellow Kentucky Senator Mitch McConnell talking about 374 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: excessive expectations, because I don't think they were excessive expecting 375 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: repealing and replacing Obamacare. And I don't think it's excessive 376 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: to get tax reform that we need in this country 377 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: to get to jump start the economy and incentivize businesses 378 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: to invest in factories and manufacturing centers and energy so 379 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: that we can get the forgotten men and women in 380 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: poverty on food stamps and out of the labor force, 381 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: you know, back climbing the trajectory to success. Here's what 382 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: he said. But I know everybody's saying there have done anything, 383 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: which I find extremely and I want to tell you 384 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 1: why the commersce goes on for two years. And part 385 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: of the reason I think that the storyline is that 386 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 1: we haven't done much is because in part of the 387 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: President and others have set these early timelines about things 388 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,719 Speaker 1: need to be done by a certain point. Now our 389 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: new president. Of course, I've been in a slot of 390 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: work before, and I think that excessive in expectations about 391 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: how quickly things happen in the democratic process. And so 392 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 1: part of the reason I think people feel like we're 393 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 1: under underperforming is because too many kind of artificial deadlines 394 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: unrelated to the reality of the complexity uh legislator may 395 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: not have been fully understood. In of course, our political 396 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: adversaries would be loves love to say that anytime. So 397 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: what I'm asking of you is to judge this converse 398 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 1: when it finishes. How much have we done to make 399 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 1: America competitive again and to grow again? And that's part 400 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: of American making American great again, which is what the 401 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: President talks about so much, artificial deadlines, complexity of legislation, 402 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: excessive expectations. The President hasn't been in this line of 403 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: work before. Now there was a kumbayam between the President 404 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: and Minch McConnell, I don't believe it for a second. 405 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: Rampaul I couldn't disagree more on that this as an 406 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: artificial deadline. We've had six years. We voted previously to 407 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,199 Speaker 1: repeal it. What has to happen is voters in the 408 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 1: states of the six or seven senators who changed their 409 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: vote need to let their people know loud and clear, 410 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 1: go back and do what you promised. You promised to 411 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: repeal it. We promised to repeal it. We didn't ever 412 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 1: promise that we were going to replace it with Obamacare Light. 413 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: We promised to repeal the damn thing. We ought to 414 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: vote and I'm going to continue to force them to 415 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: vote as many times as I possibly can on repealing 416 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: the thing. But they're not going to do it. But 417 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: they're not gonna do it. I mean that's perhaps it 418 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: sends it, but perhaps it sends a message back to 419 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: their voters that their voters need to reassess their choices. 420 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: I want to go back to this issue with John McCain, 421 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: who took a job at the President when he criticized 422 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: half baked Uh, you know, nationalism of the President, and 423 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 1: you know you went after of John mccannon thought rightly 424 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: so on this. You know, after what happened in Vietnam, 425 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: we lost fifty eight thousand Americans. Then through the prism 426 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: of politics, we stopped fighting. We basically pull out after 427 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 1: so many people died. We did the same thing in Iraq, 428 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: five thousand people dead. We pull out. If we don't 429 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 1: have any intention to fight and win wars, why are 430 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: we fighting them anymore? And I think this is really 431 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: the problem. This is where John McCain's had it completely wrong. 432 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: He's been he's wanted to be involved. If he had 433 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 1: his way, we'd be in twelve different wars right now, 434 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: in twelve different countries, but we wouldn't declare any of them. 435 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: One of the ways that our founding fathers said that 436 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: we would unify and that we would rally around the 437 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: flag is that we would vote as a body in Congress, 438 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: and we just wouldn't go to war unless we voted 439 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: in Congress. George Bush actually, even though I disagreed with 440 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: the Iraq war, he did come and he voted. We 441 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: voted on the Iraq war. I would have voted with 442 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: him on the Afghanistan war. Because there's people harbored, those 443 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: who attacked us. So but both times he came to 444 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: Congress and voted. Since then we don't vote. We're just 445 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: going on decade after decade. And McCain and Lindsey Graham 446 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 1: are the chief architects of these wars. They have never 447 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 1: met a war. They don't like they were everywhere all 448 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: the time agitating for war. They're bankrupting the country. And 449 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: yet we fight in a half pass way and we 450 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: are policing and we become policemen. Look, I've talked to 451 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: our navy seals. These these are some some some great guys. 452 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: And when you talk to them, they say, will do 453 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: anything that you need us to do anywhere around the world, anytime. 454 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 1: But the mistake comes when you ask us to go 455 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: plant the flag and create countries for you. Because we're 456 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: not policeman. We don't want to be policemen, and we 457 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: don't want to be into nation building. But that's John 458 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 1: McCain Lindsay Graham building wars everywhere. Well, I'm gonna tell 459 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: you something. I mean, if we're not gonna fight wars 460 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: with any intention of winning them, then nuts not put 461 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: these guys in harm's way to begin with. And what 462 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 1: happens every time. Now we fight, we begin a conflict 463 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 1: which we can win, but we we we literally put 464 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: handcuffs on our soldiers rules of engagement. They can't fight back. 465 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: And number two, I mean we don't have the stomach 466 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: politically to see it through. And all those people to 467 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: put us in those positions are running for the hills 468 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 1: if it becomes politically unviable. In their eyes, It's all 469 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: about how it affects them. It's not about what the 470 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: right thing to do is well, and I think we 471 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 1: have to be You're right, we have to go in 472 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: and when we do go to war, it should be rare, 473 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: and when we do go to war, we should go 474 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: to win. For then we really do have to come 475 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 1: home to tell you we've been in Afghanistan for fifteen 476 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: years now. It is nothing more than nation building. If 477 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: they will not stand up and fight for their country, 478 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: after we've given them billions of dollars of of weapons 479 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: and uniforms and you name it, we've given it to them. 480 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: And if they can't stand up and fight for their country, 481 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: they're never gonna have one. So it's sort of a 482 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: little bit like welfare. You can't give people welfare forever 483 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,479 Speaker 1: because it's SAPs their incentive. It's the same way with 484 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,239 Speaker 1: supporting foreign countries. They have to eventually stand up and 485 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: fight for themselves. In in Afghanistan, it is time Obama 486 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: put a hundred thousand troops in there, and you know, 487 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 1: the Taliban slink away, but they go and they wait 488 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: and they wait. They will always wait. They will wait 489 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: for a thousand years. The people who live there need 490 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: to stand up and fight the Taliban if they're going 491 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: to fight them. But we can't do their business forever. 492 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 1: I like Ram Paul mad, you should stay mad more 493 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 1: often you're You're definitely more effective when you're piste off. 494 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: But by the way, my staff says, I do a 495 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 1: better show when I'm piste off. All right, thank you 496 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: for being with us on Warwork. Renowned entertainer performer of 497 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: all time joins us right now. Michael Francis is with us. 498 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 1: He plays the pastor in the movie Let There Be 499 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 1: Like Kevin Sorbo is the main star in the movie, 500 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: and he's the horrible person that makes a transformation. UM, 501 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,479 Speaker 1: welcome all of you to the to the program deon Warwork. 502 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: I've been a fan of yours since I was young. 503 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: Your voice is amazing. You being in this project has 504 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: added so much to it. And I can't tell you 505 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: how beautiful that song is. That's amazing. Could you tell 506 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: us about the song? Yeah? How are I'm good? Except 507 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: my voice is a little shot from screaming last night 508 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: at this biggest strong concert anyway. Uh y. Written by 509 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: my son, Damon Elliott, and his vision was to literally 510 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: people know that there there is a solution. And as 511 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: it turns out, he called me his money. I need 512 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: a voice, okay, and I did my part on it. 513 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: But he also recruited some most incredible talents to participate 514 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: as well. You're here Gladys Knight, who is just over 515 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: the moon. As far as I'm concerned with what he 516 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: gave to the project, the unladey maya really Ray Cyrus. 517 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: I mean, he just went all out to get people 518 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: who had same mindset was regards to what the film 519 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: is about, his his vision as when he thought the 520 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: song represented So I couldn't that be proud of being 521 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: a part of this project, and more proud of the 522 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: fact that my baby came up with the idea. Well, 523 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: he has a beautiful heart obviously if he put that together. 524 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: I mean the words in that song really touch people. Kevin, 525 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: let me go to you. I never thought i'd or 526 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: dreamed i'd really be in the music business. And I 527 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: remember watching your hit movie God's Not and I remember 528 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: interviewing you at the time and I said, you know, 529 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: if there's ever a project, maybe we can do one together. 530 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: And you and Sam, your wife, and Dan Gordon came 531 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: to my office one day. I don't think we talked 532 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: more than fifteen twenty minutes, and you told me the 533 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: whole story of Let There Be Light, and I just 534 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: fell in love with the story, and and we've just 535 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: been working on the project ever since. I mean, it's 536 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: an amazing the end product. It's one of the things 537 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: I'm most proud of in my entire career because I 538 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: think this is a movie that needed to be made. 539 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: It's contemporary, it touches people's hearts. It's everything that I 540 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: think Hollywood doesn't do. It's it's about real issues, real 541 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: life crisis and conflict that people have, and it also 542 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: offers a good message for people that I think is 543 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: often ignored out of Hollywood. So you know, I was 544 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: only too honored to join with you to do it, 545 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: and um from your end. You guys did a fabulous job. 546 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,959 Speaker 1: Well thank you. It is interesting on hoping came together 547 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: because you know, my wife Sam came up the idea. 548 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: She started writing the scripts. She brought in Dan Gordon, 549 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: who was a dear friend. And people may know Dan 550 00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: or may not know Alim. He's one of the top 551 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: writers on Hollywood. He wrote The Hurricane with Denzel Washington 552 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: World Wider but Kevin Costner. But anyway, Sam and got 553 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: together Benesses script. I read the script. Three days later. 554 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: You called me and said, Hey, I'm ready to do this. 555 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do something. You guys have anything, and my 556 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: wife says, that's my script. We flew up to New York. 557 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: Dan Gordon did the pitching and in that's twenty minutes 558 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: that Dan talked, you didn't interrupt them once. I thought 559 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: we should have done the documentary on that because I 560 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: thought that was pretty amazing. You were spell bound by 561 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: the script and the story that he has to tell. Listen, 562 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: I've I've learned that there's some of the movie business. 563 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: I don't like the business part of it, but what 564 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: you guys have created, the artistic part of it. You know, 565 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: I have now shown this to over two hundred people. 566 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: I've done my own focus groups, and you actually have 567 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: up on your website. You know, some testimonials of some 568 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: airings that we've had focus groups with people, and it's unbelievable. 569 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: Nine percent of people that see this movie cry. And 570 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: you start out as a very conflicted individual that hates God, 571 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: abording God, and then we find out the reason why. 572 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: And and you're living a life that really you shouldn't 573 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: be living, and you left your family, and you're drinking 574 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: too much and you're doing drugs, and and we find 575 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: out the reason you wrote aboording God um and you 576 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: had lost a son at nine years old, and the 577 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: transformation is amazing. Part of that transformation comes when you 578 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: meet with Michael Francis, who has one of the most 579 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: incredible life stories of anybody because he is a real 580 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 1: life pastor. Michael, Welcome to the program. And you grew 581 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: up the son of a notorious under boss and the 582 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: Colombo crime family, and your own father, at one point 583 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: in your life, signed off on a hit on you, 584 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: and you found yourself in isolation in prison and your 585 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: life changed. Yes, John, it's good to be back on again. 586 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: And I just want to mention really something really quick, 587 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: Dion Walwich. She doesn't remember, I'm sure, but she played 588 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: at my prom. My dad actually broughtbanet at night. We 589 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: all had a great time. Yeah, it was weird, had 590 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 1: a good time. It was great. It was terrific. Well, yes, 591 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: I was. I was very attracted to the script. I'm 592 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: really into apologetics. I love Kevin and I'll be honestly, 593 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: I never acted before. They had to twist my aunt 594 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: to do it because I've been myself and documentaries, but 595 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: I said, listen, I'll do it as long as I 596 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: don't ruin the film. You know, I was playing myself, 597 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: so it was. It was pretty easy and a great 598 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: cast and great crew, and I think it's a wonderful story. 599 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: I think people are really going to be touched by 600 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: Its very entertaining, very well. But you're also a pastor 601 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: in real life. Now, how long have you been a pastor? Well, no, 602 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: I'm not a pastor, Sean. I go out, you know, 603 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: throughout the world and share my testimony, so I mean, 604 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: I'm not ordained or anything like that, which I think, 605 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: you know, it could be a benefit because you know, 606 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: I tell people, I'm just you. You know, we all 607 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: have a story to tell Mine might be a little 608 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: bit more dramatic, but at the end of the day, 609 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: you know, it's a story about Christ, mercy and grace 610 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 1: in my life. And there's no doubt in my mind 611 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: that He saved my life. He put a woman in 612 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: my life that led me to Christ, and over the 613 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: past twenty years, had so many challenges and struggles, but 614 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: He got me through all of it. And you know, 615 00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: I'm just happy to tell the story whenever I can, 616 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: you know, Kevin, one of the other reasons I wanted 617 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: to be a part of the project besides the great story. 618 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: And once we agreed to do the film, once I 619 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: took on my executive producer role, I'm a big believer 620 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: you let people do their job. And you know, you 621 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: told me where you're gonna be filming, You told me 622 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: what the schedule you're gonna be on. We went over 623 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,439 Speaker 1: the script, we did everything that was supposed to do, 624 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 1: and then when I started getting the first pictures and 625 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: first cuts, I began to say, this is something magical 626 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: happening here. And I don't know if you've had the 627 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: same experience, but everybody I've shown the film to, they 628 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 1: all cry and it touches people deeply. That doesn't happen 629 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: enough when I go to the movies. I like to 630 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: be moved and touched and vote and inspired and so 631 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: on and so forth. It's a movie about redemption, it's 632 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: move about faith, it's movie about hope. And you know, 633 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 1: we've been doing quite a two screens getting testimonials. Were 634 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: just in Washington, d C. Last week at the Value 635 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: Voter Summit there and it was amazing the responses from 636 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 1: people coming out. Sam was doing the testimonials on camera. 637 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: I was talking to people and and questions and uh, 638 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: just just you know, answer me anything that to say. 639 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,839 Speaker 1: But there was a group of teenagers that walked out 640 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: and they're about fifteen, sixteen years old, and one of 641 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: the boys in that group, I over him say that 642 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 1: is the best movie I've ever seen. And to get 643 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: that from a teenage kid. What all we want to 644 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 1: do is go see visual effect movies that you don't 645 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: care about character development, you don't care about what happens 646 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,240 Speaker 1: to people. You see thousands of people dyeing these smash 647 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,359 Speaker 1: him up movies. This is a movie that is real 648 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,399 Speaker 1: life and it's going to touch people. It's gonna there's 649 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: something for everybody in this movie. They'll be able to 650 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 1: relate to it, They'll be able to take something from it. 651 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,399 Speaker 1: And I don't want to preach the choir with this movie, 652 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: you know, I want I want atheists to go on 653 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: agnostics to go. I want people to get up there 654 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 1: and look at this movie with an open mind and 655 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 1: open heart and come away with what they come away with, 656 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: because I know it's going to touch them. I just 657 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 1: gotta tell you, it's uh. It's been an honor to 658 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: do this project with you. It opens one week from today. 659 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 1: We have a special airing of it at Trinity Life 660 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: Center that I'm going to be out on the road 661 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 1: this week and I'm going to be in Dallas for 662 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: two church services with Dr Robert Jeffers at his church 663 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 1: and I'm ex at about that. That That was gonna go 664 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,760 Speaker 1: see my buddy Darryl Scott who is in Cleveland. But anyway, 665 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: let there be light Movie dot Com and also Hannity 666 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,919 Speaker 1: dot Com for theaters. Dion Warwick, I've always loved your work. 667 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,839 Speaker 1: God bless you, Thank you and your your send an 668 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: amazing job. Michael. It's great to talk to you again. 669 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: And Kevin will have you on TV. Next week. We 670 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: look forward to that too, Thank you, Thank you. So 671 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: we have a lot of news as it relates to 672 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: the Clinton's and the Democrats and money that they got 673 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,800 Speaker 1: from Harvey Weinstein. I mean it is pretty the amount 674 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 1: of money we're talking about is pretty insane. And uh. Anyway, 675 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 1: so we have some new statistics out here, and some 676 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: of them are pretty shocking. And one of them, for example, 677 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 1: is that all the money that was given by Weinstein 678 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: to the d n C, they're keeping of the money, 679 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,840 Speaker 1: the Clinton Foundation is keeping two d and fifty thousand 680 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: dollars of the money. You know, now Weinstein questions of 681 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 1: Bill and Hillary and Chelsea on the run, and Hillary 682 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: actually made some comments this weekend and of me playing 683 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: for you. You are a beacon of feminism, you talk 684 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,240 Speaker 1: for women's rights. You knew Harvey Weinstein well and what stage, 685 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: and you must have known the room is about him. 686 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: I'm not No, I did not. I did not know 687 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,720 Speaker 1: what everyone in your room is about him. Not specific cases, 688 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 1: but noone knew that Harvey Weinstein, apparently in his circle, 689 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 1: was a little bit you know. Well, all I can 690 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 1: tell you is that I did not hear those things. Look, 691 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,279 Speaker 1: we just elected a person who admitted sexual assault to 692 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: the presidency. So there's a lot of other issues that 693 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: are swirling around these kinds of behaviors that need to 694 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,959 Speaker 1: be addressed, and I think it's important that we stay 695 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: focused and shine a bright spotlight and try to get 696 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 1: people to understand how damaging this is and the women 697 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 1: coming forward is the only way that that story will 698 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: be told. Is this kind of behavior cannot be tolerated anywhere, 699 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: and this depends upon women coming forward, having the courage 700 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,439 Speaker 1: to come forward. And yet in your book, the three 701 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,800 Speaker 1: women brought on to stage by Trump attack your husband, 702 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 1: and you kind of dismissed them it was not the 703 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 1: right thing to do. Are you sure about that? Well, yes, 704 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 1: because that had all been litigated. I mean, that was 705 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 1: the subject of a huge, you know, investigation, as you 706 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,759 Speaker 1: might recall in the late nineties, and uh, there were 707 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:18,319 Speaker 1: conclusions drawn and that was clearly in the past. But 708 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 1: it is something that has to be taken seriously, as 709 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: I say, for everyone, not just for those in entertainment 710 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 1: right now, Oh, really were they litigated? Not really? In 711 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,400 Speaker 1: the k Yeah, you did have to pay Paula Jones 712 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,880 Speaker 1: eighty dollars, but Hillary was part of the effort. And 713 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 1: now we find out Harvey Weinstein helped bankroll the Clinton 714 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 1: Lewinsky defense at the time. And remember the treatment of 715 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 1: Kathleen Willie and Jennifer Flowers, and and Paula Jones and 716 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 1: Juanita Broderick. Really just apply all of those words to 717 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 1: her husband who was in the White House, and she 718 00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 1: knew it. She defended him to the nth degree and 719 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 1: said and and they smeared and slandered every one of 720 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 1: those women. And then of course she takes millions and 721 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 1: millions of dollars from countries where women are told how 722 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 1: to dress, they can't drive, they can't vote, that can't travel, 723 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 1: that marital rape is not a crime in these countries, 724 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 1: and even domestic abuse is not a crime in these countries, 725 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,359 Speaker 1: where gays and lesbians are often killed just for being 726 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 1: who they are. And then of course you have you know, 727 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,240 Speaker 1: Christians and Jews. You can't build the temple in Saudi Arabia, 728 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: you can't build Christian church in Saudi Arabia. And she 729 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 1: took tens of millions of dollars from those countries, and 730 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 1: they bought her silence because she doesn't say a word 731 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 1: about it. What a phony anyway. Joining us now is 732 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,880 Speaker 1: Tracy mel Cure is with us. She's an actress entertainer 733 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 1: best known for her roles on One Life to Live, 734 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 1: The Bold, Beautiful, and Sunset Beach. Author of the book 735 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,880 Speaker 1: Breaking the Perfect ten Kaya Jones, formerly with the Pussycat Dolls, 736 00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 1: who has a great single out now by the way 737 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 1: here to discuss the on going allegations of Weinstein. And 738 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,319 Speaker 1: she was quoted over the Weekend as saying that when 739 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 1: she was working and singing for the Pussycat Dolls, they 740 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 1: were basically hired prostitutes who are owned and controlled by 741 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,359 Speaker 1: those with the money. Kyo, welcome to the program. Hi, thanks, 742 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,920 Speaker 1: So what do you mean? So you're part of a 743 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,919 Speaker 1: very successful band, the Pussycat Dolls. Okay, what do you eat? 744 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 1: What do you mean? It was like a prostitution ring. 745 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 1: When I say that, what I mean is that prostitution 746 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 1: is accepting money for sects. And what literally what I 747 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 1: meant was weird girls that wanted to sing, just like 748 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:39,839 Speaker 1: many girls in this business want to sing or they 749 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 1: want to act. And we're proposition and in order to 750 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 1: move forward in your career, you're given an ultimatum or 751 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,720 Speaker 1: an opportunity to sleep in an executive or be pushed 752 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 1: onto somebody in a high platform in this business, That's 753 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 1: exactly what I meant. Um, whether it's a job or 754 00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,440 Speaker 1: you're taking cash, what is the difference? Prostitution is prostitution? 755 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,400 Speaker 1: Well and so, but would you did you ever feel 756 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,480 Speaker 1: you were forced to sleep with people if you wanted 757 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 1: it a career to move forward? And I chose not to, 758 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 1: which is why I've had to do it independently. This 759 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,839 Speaker 1: whole road has been a hard journey of struggling, not 760 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,360 Speaker 1: having funding, having to do it on my own, creating 761 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,239 Speaker 1: my own work, working with producers, finding them on my own. 762 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,920 Speaker 1: I walked away from the Pussychedulets because I was not 763 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 1: willing to outsleep my bandmates. They all need to come forward. 764 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 1: They all need to come forward. They all knew. And 765 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,279 Speaker 1: our dead mother, who controlled us, she knew too. Everybody did. 766 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 1: That is so sad. Have you run into Have you 767 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,880 Speaker 1: run into good people that that like your talent, your voice, 768 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,759 Speaker 1: your performances and and just are in it because they 769 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,040 Speaker 1: like what you do? Oh? Of course you know, Yes, 770 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 1: there are good people in this business. It's hard to 771 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,319 Speaker 1: find them. Um, most people that have had to turn 772 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,279 Speaker 1: a blind eye or walk away from situation. You know, 773 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,920 Speaker 1: I've come into contact with now. I think it's a 774 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 1: beautiful time right now. There's a movement in this country 775 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 1: of a lot of love and God and you can 776 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,799 Speaker 1: feel the energy of positive affirmation coming forward, which is 777 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 1: why all of these people are being exposed because they're 778 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 1: downright evil what they do to young women and to 779 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,800 Speaker 1: young men. So this is in the music business, the 780 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 1: modeling business, the television business, and the movie business. It's everywhere. 781 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 1: With Oh, it's everywhere, and that's why you're seeing it 782 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,440 Speaker 1: all with this colluding with you know, Congress and people 783 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,800 Speaker 1: in government because it literally you know, look at the 784 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,600 Speaker 1: Hillary Kington campaign. It's all of these celebrities. But she 785 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,759 Speaker 1: had no idea. Come on, now, everybody is friends with 786 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,960 Speaker 1: each other, you know, you utilize celebrities to get your 787 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,279 Speaker 1: narrative out because they have a poll or they have 788 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,520 Speaker 1: a focus. So everybody's friends with each other, and they 789 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,880 Speaker 1: of course they know. Wow. Now, Tracy, you have a 790 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,839 Speaker 1: heartbreaking story in your experience as an actress. Let me 791 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 1: play in exchange. It's a little hard to hear of 792 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,640 Speaker 1: you being on Larry King Live and what you said 793 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 1: in this interview, this is back in two thousand and five. 794 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,160 Speaker 1: Listen to this. My sister and I had met a 795 00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,279 Speaker 1: couple of guys on an airplane and we went to 796 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,880 Speaker 1: this They invited us back to their apartment or something 797 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:12,040 Speaker 1: after yeah, and I didn't even really remember what or 798 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,919 Speaker 1: where if it was. It's all foggy at this point. 799 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,080 Speaker 1: How we got in this situation with these guys that 800 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,920 Speaker 1: we just met them and they invited us back to 801 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,320 Speaker 1: their apartment. There was two guys and and my sister 802 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,680 Speaker 1: and we went with them, and they it was, you know, 803 00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,160 Speaker 1: when to drink in tequila like this big waddy bag. 804 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,879 Speaker 1: I'm not proud of that. But the next thing I knew, 805 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 1: and I really believe that that sounds sort of it 806 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 1: didn't we drug drug or something in the pot was 807 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,560 Speaker 1: raised or something. Because the feeling was so bizarre, it 808 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,680 Speaker 1: was I thought like I passed out. I thought I 809 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,319 Speaker 1: was gonna pass up the past all And I wake 810 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,520 Speaker 1: up in a bedroom with the guy and he's raping me, 811 00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 1: but I am physically unable to speak to happened to 812 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:05,080 Speaker 1: move my body in anyway? And I come, what's going on? 813 00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,560 Speaker 1: I guess the same reason most people don't. It's it's 814 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,640 Speaker 1: the shame, the shame that like, well, while was all 815 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,839 Speaker 1: there and when I was smoking, potent, drinking, take here, 816 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,239 Speaker 1: I just attraction. Yeah, I was attracted from and I 817 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,400 Speaker 1: was what was I thank him and I felt like 818 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,760 Speaker 1: I had just heard it in a sense and really 819 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:36,440 Speaker 1: it's just that well actually know it just free the 820 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,160 Speaker 1: sermented my belief. But you know, in your physical body 821 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,200 Speaker 1: and your feelings just need to be suppressed very see. 822 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:48,480 Speaker 1: So you were raped in this incident, and it sounds 823 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,279 Speaker 1: like what was alleged with Bill Cosby that so they 824 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,279 Speaker 1: drugged you and you're half you know, dazed and confused, 825 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:56,680 Speaker 1: and the next thing you know, you wake up and 826 00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,920 Speaker 1: somebody's raping you when you're in a bedroom that you 827 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,520 Speaker 1: don't even know how you got there exactly. And it's 828 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,120 Speaker 1: it's horrible bad. When I listened back to that, you know, 829 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,720 Speaker 1: because you grow up and you understand more and everything, 830 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,279 Speaker 1: and it's like, I it's just so sad because I 831 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,480 Speaker 1: think so many of these women and I don't know 832 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,160 Speaker 1: Kayak can relate, but I mean I had so many 833 00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,120 Speaker 1: issues from my childhood where I didn't feel like I 834 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,160 Speaker 1: had self worth and I just wanted to matter. I 835 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:27,279 Speaker 1: wanted to be important, and I realized at a very 836 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,280 Speaker 1: young age as a woman, you are never more valuable 837 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,719 Speaker 1: than when you're naked, and you never have as much 838 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,080 Speaker 1: of that male attention that you know, like I was 839 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 1: crazy from father figures you you number one to a 840 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,239 Speaker 1: guy when you're standing in front of him naked, And 841 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,680 Speaker 1: that was like the payoff for me was like nothing 842 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,680 Speaker 1: is going to distract this guy from me. Right now, 843 00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,000 Speaker 1: I matter, And that's what I craved. That's the I'm 844 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,200 Speaker 1: listening here as a guy, and what you know, and 845 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,920 Speaker 1: I have sisters and I have a daughter, and that 846 00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,000 Speaker 1: this is a father's worst nightmare would be both dis 847 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,799 Speaker 1: riving a quick break right back will continue right as 848 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,120 Speaker 1: we continue with Tracy mel Cure and Kaya Jones, who 849 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,920 Speaker 1: have experienced a lot of what we've been discussing regarding 850 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,560 Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein. And it's more common than anybody knows. This 851 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:17,040 Speaker 1: is the casting couch syndrome. Is that they bring it 852 00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,680 Speaker 1: in and let's say you have a naturally talented ability 853 00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,440 Speaker 1: to sing, like Kaya or or Tracy, you had a 854 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,440 Speaker 1: natural ability to be an actress, and so you brought 855 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,680 Speaker 1: in and you'r you put on the casting couch and 856 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,680 Speaker 1: immediately you begin to realize that, oh, you can get 857 00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,799 Speaker 1: the job, you'll get the gig, but there's a quid 858 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,320 Speaker 1: pro quo associated with that. How often did you both 859 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 1: experience that? It was never quite direct like that, but 860 00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:44,040 Speaker 1: it was you know that your connections in the industry 861 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:48,040 Speaker 1: are how it works. You know who you know? Right, Um, 862 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,640 Speaker 1: So it was just for me. I wanted to associate 863 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,759 Speaker 1: with them. And the first time was I was out 864 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,840 Speaker 1: at a club in Hollywood with a girlfriend and the 865 00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,799 Speaker 1: guy came up to us and he's like, you're too 866 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,640 Speaker 1: pretty to wait in line. You guys want to get 867 00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,719 Speaker 1: into the club. I can get you in and we're 868 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,040 Speaker 1: like yeah, sure. Well, next thing, you know, we're sitting 869 00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:09,440 Speaker 1: next to a very well known Hollywood producer and you know, 870 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,120 Speaker 1: we're kind of schmoozed the whole night. And I was 871 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,399 Speaker 1: with my girlfriend, but the guy gave me his card 872 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,680 Speaker 1: at the end and he's like, I can get you 873 00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:18,839 Speaker 1: into a lot of other places and meet a lot 874 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,680 Speaker 1: of people. And I was like, oh wow, okay, And 875 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,760 Speaker 1: you know, I was like, is he like a manager? 876 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,320 Speaker 1: And he kind of like acted like he was the manager, 877 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,080 Speaker 1: but he was more of a handler. And it was like, hey, 878 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,000 Speaker 1: oh hey, so we're going to this restaurant meet us, 879 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,440 Speaker 1: and that's how it started. And the next thing you know, 880 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,680 Speaker 1: you're back at their house, you and a group, and 881 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,840 Speaker 1: you're all like having a good time. Yeah, oh yeah. 882 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,080 Speaker 1: You know, you're by yourself with two executives and one 883 00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,720 Speaker 1: of the girls from the group, and you're at a house, 884 00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,839 Speaker 1: you know, in Malibu, and you're like, what are we 885 00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,400 Speaker 1: doing here? And where are their wives? And where is 886 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,040 Speaker 1: the rest of the girls. I wanted to just say, 887 00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,440 Speaker 1: I at somebody who, at twelve years old, was the 888 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,799 Speaker 1: first time I was assaulted. It was an eighteen year 889 00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,120 Speaker 1: old boy, had an older sister, she had friends over. 890 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,919 Speaker 1: They were all and this guy wandered off into where 891 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:11,160 Speaker 1: I was watching TV and attempted to rape me, and I, um, 892 00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,440 Speaker 1: somebody came in at the very last second. Um, And 893 00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,640 Speaker 1: I just I think it's really important to differentiate the 894 00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,400 Speaker 1: different like sexual assault. I feel like it's such a 895 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,279 Speaker 1: broad term and it's kind of thrown around, almost like 896 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,520 Speaker 1: there used to be a joke I heard where what's 897 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,640 Speaker 1: the difference between sexual assault and flirting? It's if he's cute. 898 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,040 Speaker 1: And I think it's important because some people I hear. 899 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,400 Speaker 1: Now everybody's like, oh, I've been assaulted, and there stories 900 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,759 Speaker 1: are pretty mild in my you know what I mean. 901 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,600 Speaker 1: And I don't mean to discredit them, but you're talking 902 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:47,520 Speaker 1: about being a victim of real assault, real rape, and 903 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:51,920 Speaker 1: really dangerous situations. Um, it's so sad to hear this. 904 00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,760 Speaker 1: It breaks my heart and it's just as it's painful 905 00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,520 Speaker 1: to hear it, and it's I can only imagine the 906 00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,080 Speaker 1: pain and the trauma you live with. I don't guess 907 00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,879 Speaker 1: that you really ever get over trauma like this. Ya, 908 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:07,759 Speaker 1: do you get I mean, I know you're tough, but 909 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,360 Speaker 1: do you ever get over I couldn't imagine it. No, 910 00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,200 Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think that you can ever 911 00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:17,120 Speaker 1: get over being violated or mistreated in any circumstance. A 912 00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,200 Speaker 1: lot of my mental state and what I feel that 913 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:24,000 Speaker 1: I have had to, you know, overcome, is the mental 914 00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:28,400 Speaker 1: and emotional abuse that came along with the sexual advances. 915 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,360 Speaker 1: You know, having to try and get through certain seeds 916 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,839 Speaker 1: that are planted in your mind and you allow them 917 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:37,120 Speaker 1: to grow, but they are planted, and they're planted by 918 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,640 Speaker 1: people in powerful positions that are holding your dreams, and 919 00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:45,640 Speaker 1: so you in some way think equates like if I 920 00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,759 Speaker 1: don't tell then you know, loose lips thing ships, then 921 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,240 Speaker 1: I can continue in this company or business and you 922 00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,680 Speaker 1: and you play on those narratives where I'm finally speaking 923 00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,960 Speaker 1: out because I, you know, saw what Roads came out 924 00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,839 Speaker 1: and said, I've been speaking out since two thousand and five, 925 00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,080 Speaker 1: so disgusting. I mean, Tracy, I want to get your 926 00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,960 Speaker 1: your last thoughts on this, and I disagree with kaya. 927 00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:10,040 Speaker 1: I think you can get over it. I took a 928 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,640 Speaker 1: big part for me getting over it, with taking responsibility 929 00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,799 Speaker 1: for my part in it. I wait, why are you 930 00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,360 Speaker 1: blaming yourself though? I mean, I don't know if somebody 931 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,920 Speaker 1: somebody blaming myself, but just starting to change how I 932 00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:28,560 Speaker 1: engage and putting myself in those positions. Right, and I 933 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,480 Speaker 1: became a Christian, I felt all of that could be 934 00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,600 Speaker 1: washed away. I put all my faith and my hope 935 00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:38,879 Speaker 1: and everything in God now. And yeah, when I talk 936 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:40,399 Speaker 1: about it, I mean I had to call my best 937 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,080 Speaker 1: friend and cry on the phone with her before I 938 00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:46,479 Speaker 1: could do this interview. Um, and there's still paying there. 939 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:51,800 Speaker 1: But I feel like you're not a forever victim, you know. Um, 940 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,239 Speaker 1: but there's still there's still there's still a raw nerve here. 941 00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:56,799 Speaker 1: I mean I hear it in your voice. I've known 942 00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,759 Speaker 1: you for a while, and yeah, I mean I hear 943 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:05,840 Speaker 1: I hear trauma. I hear I just want to give hope. 944 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,440 Speaker 1: I don't want to be like, oh my gosh, you know, 945 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,160 Speaker 1: I just I'm not a victim card type person, and 946 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,880 Speaker 1: I just really want if there are girls listening, that 947 00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,680 Speaker 1: there is hope, that it's not like forever I have. 948 00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,280 Speaker 1: I've been married for eighteen years. Can I just add 949 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,959 Speaker 1: one thing to this, There are good people out there, 950 00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,520 Speaker 1: and there is a lesson for girls. Never put what 951 00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,680 Speaker 1: you want above what is right for you. In other words, yeah, 952 00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,000 Speaker 1: maybe you want to music career, modeling career, movie career, 953 00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,640 Speaker 1: TV career, but if you're not going to be working 954 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,520 Speaker 1: with good people, don't sell your soul for any opportunity, 955 00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,440 Speaker 1: because it's not worth it. Thank you both for I 956 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,080 Speaker 1: know it's painful to share your story, but it brings 957 00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,960 Speaker 1: to life exactly what we're talking about and what so 958 00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,239 Speaker 1: many women have gone through, and how this is so institutional. 959 00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:49,879 Speaker 1: As I said it last week, this is the tip 960 00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,799 Speaker 1: of the iceberg. Alright, Tracy, we appreciate you being with 961 00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:54,840 Speaker 1: us same Kaya. We'll see both on TV tonight.