Speaker 1: And I invited you here. I thought I made myself
Speaker 1: perfectly clear.
Speaker 2: When you're a.
Speaker 1: Guest to my home, you gotta come to me empty.
Speaker 1: And I said, no guests, your presences, presents, and I
Speaker 1: already had too much stuff.
Speaker 2: So how do you dare to surbey me? Welcome to
Speaker 2: I said, no gifts. I'm Richard Wineger. We're in the backyard.
Speaker 2: We haven't been in the backyard in a minute, which
Speaker 2: feels nice, although it's April and it's about eighty degrees
Speaker 2: and I'm sweating already. What's going on? What's going on?
Speaker 2: I've started watching Little House on the Prairie two episodes in.
Speaker 2: I truly don't know why the Ingles family hasn't killed themselves.
Speaker 2: It's the things these people are going through. It's just
Speaker 2: too much for me. But I'm going to continue see
Speaker 2: if it ends up worth them living through the prairie.
Speaker 2: I don't know what else. We've got The Chicago show
Speaker 2: coming up May twenty third, the Den Theater. Google it,
Speaker 2: go to our instagram, find a way to the website,
Speaker 2: buy a ticket. We're gonna have a fantastic time. Talked
Speaker 2: about the Little House on the Prairie. Little House in Prairie.
Speaker 2: It's not the I'm new to the program. I think
Speaker 2: that's about it. I think, you know, I'm obviously already
Speaker 2: just kind of rambling here. The school bell is ringing,
Speaker 2: the children are screaming, let's get into the podcast. I
Speaker 2: adore today's guest. It's Charles Rogers.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me, Charles welcome.
Speaker 2: I said, no, good, thank you.
Speaker 4: Ring.
Speaker 3: I have to get to class. It's been nice.
Speaker 2: So you've been itching to get back to school. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I had lunch, I have to go. The bell tolling
Speaker 2: over there. The whole the school feels like they're there
Speaker 2: for about two days a week. I don't know what
Speaker 2: the modern elementary school schedule is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just they're all like artists and parents and
Speaker 3: the children. They're like, we go to Monday Friday school.
Speaker 2: I honestly think that might be what's going on, because
Speaker 2: I cannot track when the bell will ring. They'll be
Speaker 2: gone for months, yeah, and not during the summer.
Speaker 3: I kind of can't handle seeing any of it, Like, like,
Speaker 3: I do want kids one day, I firmly do believe
Speaker 3: that in my heart of hearts. But then I'll be
Speaker 3: like these east Side school I'll see like in the
Speaker 3: cafe in the morning, like parents coming in with their children.
Speaker 3: They all know each other, and I'm like, these people
Speaker 3: they're doing nothing wrong, but like they need to burn
Speaker 3: a house. There's nothing wrong with them. It's actually like
Speaker 3: the best case in American in a lot of ways.
Speaker 3: And it's like something about it. I'm like, I can't
Speaker 3: handle these people something.
Speaker 2: There's something very great about the fact that they even
Speaker 2: have time to get to the coffee shop.
Speaker 3: They should be stressed, yeah, And they shouldn't know each other, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: should be trading tips.
Speaker 2: They should be singing like hot to go to their
Speaker 2: children like all these Yeah. When I see parents pushing
Speaker 2: their kids around and strollers around here, there's something about
Speaker 2: it where I'm like.
Speaker 3: Strollers are satanic.
Speaker 2: This feels bad.
Speaker 3: Strollers are the bin her of stroller culture is it's
Speaker 3: so patriarchal, the way in which like families think that
Speaker 3: plastic vehicles have precedence over human lives.
Speaker 2: People get very touchy about it.
Speaker 3: They do because they have all their their stuff right
Speaker 3: day and them, and that there's stuff they identify with
Speaker 3: their stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, speaking of this, I was I was in
Speaker 2: Silver like recently at this Korean place, like a Korean
Speaker 2: fast foodish place, and I was ordering my food and
Speaker 2: I saw a parent that the kind of parent were
Speaker 2: talking about, and I thought eating with his son. I
Speaker 2: just thought, this asshole, well cultural experience. What does he
Speaker 2: think he is with his and his stupid roads? And
Speaker 2: then we'll probably beat this.
Speaker 3: But it was okay, that is who uk beep or not.
Speaker 3: That is who you cast as that character, no matter what.
Speaker 3: That's so funny.
Speaker 2: I was shocked. I felt all sorts of emotions, and
Speaker 2: then I thought, well, he's being a good parent. What
Speaker 2: is my problem?
Speaker 3: Right? And then it's also like, well, what's my career?
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of there's a lot of
Speaker 2: just jealousy that somebody is able to not only manage
Speaker 2: their own life, but the life of a child, maybe
Speaker 2: multiple children.
Speaker 3: It's interesting, it's just having children. I've been thinking about
Speaker 3: a lot because I'm getting more real about, you know,
Speaker 3: planting seeds for tomorrow perhaps, And there is just something
Speaker 3: inherently republican. Please don't play this at the McCarthy trials
Speaker 3: that inevidently happened in two years, but like there is
Speaker 3: something republican about a family, Like it's just like instantly,
Speaker 3: I hate it, Like, but I want it.
Speaker 2: But how many kids do you think you'd want?
Speaker 3: I want to too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like a decent number.
Speaker 3: I want a boy and a girl. Because I'm half
Speaker 3: man woman, I know how to speak to both.
Speaker 2: Do you have siblings?
Speaker 3: No? Oh wow, wow.
Speaker 2: I've always wondered about the only child experience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's amazing. It's a universal.
Speaker 2: I mean anytime I'm home for the holidays or whatever
Speaker 2: and I'm experiencing and I love my parents, but you know,
Speaker 2: experiencing their unique behavior sometimes a lot, because I have
Speaker 2: three siblings, which four children is kind of the baseline
Speaker 2: for Mormon family. So we're like, my parents just couldn't
Speaker 2: deal with it. They're weak, They're ultimately weak. But I'm
Speaker 2: always like, I'm so glad I have another I have
Speaker 2: other people in my life who understand this exact behavior,
Speaker 2: like to share this experience, not to brag, yeah, but
Speaker 2: it's like I just feel like I could not possibly
Speaker 2: begin to explain exactly what it is to another person, right,
Speaker 2: And so it's like I'm glad that I can just
Speaker 2: sit here in silence with a sibling and be like,
Speaker 2: we know what we're we're witnessing this, right.
Speaker 3: So you just sit in silence with your siblings.
Speaker 2: I mean your family is very quiet.
Speaker 3: If I had siblings, I think we'd be talking.
Speaker 2: No, you'd be very quiet. You'd hate each other.
Speaker 3: It is one thing that's really nice about not having
Speaker 3: siblings is that I like, as is my family. My
Speaker 3: dad's gone to heaven. As you would say, let me
Speaker 3: know if I am speaking your language or not to understand.
Speaker 3: I just want you to feel safe. But like my parents,
Speaker 3: I think as characters I can frame as cool. Sure,
Speaker 3: but then if you have one sibling, that's suddenly not cool.
Speaker 3: The whole branding's off. Oh I'm just so glad that
Speaker 3: I never had to be like and then my my
Speaker 3: like weird realtor cut. Nothing against realtors, but like just
Speaker 3: something that is just like doesn't uphold the image I'm
Speaker 3: trying to do.
Speaker 2: You know, really in control of the entire brand.
Speaker 3: Nothing against realtors.
Speaker 2: We love our we love some of them. I'm sure
Speaker 2: some of them are complete psychos.
Speaker 3: That's true. My uh, that's fair.
Speaker 2: When I bought this house and blessed this woman, but
Speaker 2: she was out of control and it was during COVID
Speaker 2: refused to wear a mask. I just would put a
Speaker 2: little piece of tool over her face, which is so funny.
Speaker 3: It was like a scarf made of very thin you know. Cool,
Speaker 3: just probably worse than not wearing anything at all. Probably
Speaker 3: how COVID started. An infected piece of tool blows off
Speaker 3: the wind lab graded tool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was someone who was like she had The
Speaker 2: nineties were big for her. She probably Cameron Candace Cameron Burr.
Speaker 2: We love our Candace Camerons.
Speaker 3: Some of them are psychos, some of them were normal.
Speaker 2: Oh for Candice and Kirk to become a real reality
Speaker 2: take that could still be in the cards. I think
Speaker 2: that that probably is definitely in the cars.
Speaker 3: She now not to jump around, but she now there's
Speaker 3: a Christian network coming. Oh is she in charge that
Speaker 3: we're all going to work for soon? Honestly, I know
Speaker 3: she's in charge. But there's like four faces. Two of
Speaker 3: them I don't I have no context for One of
Speaker 3: them is her and then another one is Mario Lopez.
Speaker 3: And I into it somewhere like in an airport or something,
Speaker 3: and I was like, what is this called? Like it's
Speaker 3: also like under the radar, Like it's not like Faith TV.
Speaker 3: It's something like cherish or just some where it's more
Speaker 3: family vision, right, Bloodshed.
Speaker 4: I think it's called The Great American Family?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 3: Is it called that? No, that's a show. I think
Speaker 3: I think American's called something like it's like a network,
Speaker 3: it's a streamer. I think it's a Christian streamer. Is it? Like?
Speaker 3: I didn't mean to say no, I feel I know
Speaker 3: it's triggering for me.
Speaker 2: I'm is like pure. I'm very curious because then there's
Speaker 2: also going to be the Chick fil A network, right
Speaker 2: that I believe is Chick fil A is just like
Speaker 2: this is no, just like Twitter culture. I feel like
Speaker 2: Twitter has kind of just like forced these things into reality.
Speaker 2: Just that horrible culture had somehow opened a door where
Speaker 2: now Chick fil A literally can have.
Speaker 3: What you what you think manifests or something like that.
Speaker 2: And you know, the television industry is obviously healthier than ever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's doing great. Or for Natalia Grace.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, don't get me started on Natalia Grace,
Speaker 2: that documentary series, at least the one on Max I.
Speaker 2: I had to stop halfway through the episode and I
Speaker 2: was so curious.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen it. I said, you know, I support
Speaker 3: everyone involved, but just the idea of more in the
Speaker 3: same way that like Tiger King or something where it's.
Speaker 3: The weird thing about Natalia Grace is that like no
Speaker 3: one can remember if she's good or bad or the
Speaker 3: actual we've all seen it, and we're all like and
Speaker 3: we all know if she's the devil, like we didn't
Speaker 3: like we didn't remember the lesson.
Speaker 2: There's really no clear answer. And like I've complained about
Speaker 2: it on this podcast before and listeners have like tried
Speaker 2: to point out what's happening, and they all have a
Speaker 2: different story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no one's we've all met her, we've all taken
Speaker 3: in general for TV.
Speaker 2: Is probably the name of the.
Speaker 3: Race.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I would love to just find out her
Speaker 2: real age. And I don't think we're ever going to.
Speaker 3: It's probably thirty seven.
Speaker 2: It's just like me, you career wise, did you ever
Speaker 2: see the orphan? I did when it came out right,
Speaker 2: And so again, this is one of these things that's
Speaker 2: deeply unclear. Was that inspired by Italia Grace?
Speaker 3: Well so, I think if I remember correctly, the parents
Speaker 3: did claim watch me be sued for this, but nothing
Speaker 3: I can't handle. But they claimed situations that were kind
Speaker 3: of based off of the movie. So I cus, that's wild.
Speaker 3: I think that's the whole thing was that they were
Speaker 3: like and then like when the investigation got into it,
Speaker 3: there like scenes were like she was standing over them
Speaker 3: with a knife and like, but they're like that happened
Speaker 3: in that movie Orphan.
Speaker 2: Both of the parents time to have fallen through an
Speaker 2: ice ice in a pond. Wow, I had no And
Speaker 2: now that I'm saying that, I'm thinking, is that the
Speaker 2: good Son with Macaulay Culkin, Right, someone falls the seed?
Speaker 3: There is a lot of love. I just recently watched
Speaker 3: I loved it as a kid. I remember I remember
Speaker 3: thinking it's great, it's fascinating, I should watch it.
Speaker 2: An evil little girl and everyone seems to know she's
Speaker 2: evil and kind of do nothing about it. Just killing people.
Speaker 3: What can you do?
Speaker 2: I mean, Natalia Grace, she's a good example. What can
Speaker 2: you do? She's out there, probably has a new docu series.
Speaker 3: Probably she's probably like giving people makeovers across America forever youthful,
Speaker 3: She's getting everyone addresses like twelve year old.
Speaker 2: No, I'm I guess I'll just that'll be a mystery
Speaker 2: for me forever, because I've tried looking into it. I've
Speaker 2: complained about it on my podcast hundreds of times. People
Speaker 2: are tired of me talking about it.
Speaker 3: Oh did I bring up something that? I mean, I've
Speaker 3: listened to your podcast a lot, but I don't remember this.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've probably mentioned it a couple of times,
Speaker 2: but it's you know, I mentioned something on this once
Speaker 2: and I think people are people want me to stop talking.
Speaker 3: Okay, so that's how it did not mean to do
Speaker 3: that to you.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3: What do you want to talk about?
Speaker 2: I want to talk about Italian grace, to be honest. Okay, okay, great,
Speaker 2: I want to get to the bottom of this.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: And then there's the you know, like the narrative version
Speaker 2: of it, right right, which is is that the great
Speaker 2: American family?
Speaker 3: That's what I'm seeking. That's good America.
Speaker 4: Okay, so that's good American family. The streaming service is
Speaker 4: great America.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry to tell you know. Okay, that's crazy. It's
Speaker 3: like the Great American cookie, but a family.
Speaker 2: And wait, and then is there is a trick fil
Speaker 2: a network? Yes?
Speaker 4: No, promoting family friendly content?
Speaker 3: Really? Yeah, that's not real, is it? That's just like
Speaker 3: an app? And then there's press releases.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I wonder if it'll like only get to
Speaker 2: that stage and then they've like won't be able to
Speaker 2: come up with the original content. Right, it's just going
Speaker 2: to be cow Ai the cows. I've had it with
Speaker 2: the cows. But this all goes back to I can't
Speaker 2: believe Mario Lopez is involved.
Speaker 3: Yes, And my one and only Mario Lopez sighting I've
Speaker 3: ever had was back to Universal Studios as a theme.
Speaker 3: I was going into Universal and he was shooting I
Speaker 3: guess Entertainment Tonight.
Speaker 2: Access Hollywood.
Speaker 3: And then oh, he had a broken leg and it
Speaker 3: was he was hosting like full pro Mario Lopez, and
Speaker 3: his leg was broken and hoisted on like a little
Speaker 3: barstool off camera. But he was just being like Access
Speaker 3: Hollywood coming at you like a full broken leg off camera.
Speaker 3: It was like right in front of the Universal ball.
Speaker 3: It was a it's a it was a very like
Speaker 3: perfect la moment.
Speaker 2: I wonder if they had let the viewer in on
Speaker 2: the fact that his leg was broken or they're like that.
Speaker 3: We have to maintain. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Mario's perfect, always standing, He's always perfect. I had a
Speaker 2: similar sighting at the Grove that he used to host
Speaker 2: it at the grove. Oh right, And I should say,
Speaker 2: you know, for legal reasons, I'm not sure that it
Speaker 2: was Mario Lopez on a golf cart yelling at someone.
Speaker 2: But I saw someone who looked like Mario Lopez on
Speaker 2: a golf cart yelling at.
Speaker 3: My golf cart at the grove.
Speaker 2: At the grove, I guess he wanted to be guarded
Speaker 2: around his shape.
Speaker 3: He's like, rather be golfing. Yeah, I was that.
Speaker 2: Certainly, you don't need to be like driven around that place.
Speaker 2: It's about the size of a block.
Speaker 3: There is something about ninety celebrity though, where you you
Speaker 3: do want to see them be golf cart right, like
Speaker 3: it's fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're royalty, they deserve they shouldn't have to do
Speaker 2: any extra work. Yeah, they're that level of royalty when
Speaker 2: they're hosting outside of the Nike store.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I don't really need him to
Speaker 3: I don't need him to be anything. So, but I
Speaker 3: do think the happier you are, the more rageful, right, probably, Yeah, it.
Speaker 2: Seems like a rage built in there. Yeah, I just
Speaker 2: I needed him to be kind of a net neutral
Speaker 2: and now the fact that he's in the involved with
Speaker 2: this network, it feels like we're pushing in a direction.
Speaker 3: I mean everyone is. I guess there's nothing I don't
Speaker 3: even know anymore like I used to. You know, it
Speaker 3: used to be so like can you believe who they
Speaker 3: voted for? And now it's sort of like, well, I
Speaker 3: get it. This is how it works. We're like we're
Speaker 3: all slowly like eroding and just being like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I could be maga for sure, like if like if
Speaker 3: the clothes were cuter or something that's.
Speaker 2: One thing holding you back better or something. Wow, Mari
Speaker 2: and Kansas, did you watch any of those shows growing up?
Speaker 2: I watched Full House? Okay, ma too.
Speaker 3: I watched Full House in this very dissociated way where
Speaker 3: I wasn't even sure if I liked it, but it
Speaker 3: was it was. There was a xanax quality too.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was just something that I would do once
Speaker 2: a week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as an opportunity to see girls when you.
Speaker 2: Were right, Yeah, see them like smoking and doing their.
Speaker 3: Next Kimmy though surprise she didn't she if she had
Speaker 3: left the planet, I wouldn't have held it against her
Speaker 3: after that role like she she's strong. Like her holding
Speaker 3: was that she had stinky, stinky ass feet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, her feet smoke, and the whole family was like,
Speaker 2: go to have family.
Speaker 3: Could you imagine coming over every day and just trying
Speaker 3: to damn it, you're fucking filthy.
Speaker 2: My parents won't let me bathe. There's something dark going
Speaker 2: on in my house and you don't even welcome me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know your home every day again, tough. That was
Speaker 2: a we've kind of fallen by the way the like
Speaker 2: the abusing the neighbor child has fallen by the wayside.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 2: It's like they can come over and just be part
Speaker 2: of the family now, right.
Speaker 3: And sneaking around. I think I don't know if that.
Speaker 3: I don't know what youth culture is now. I don't
Speaker 3: know if they have shows or not. That's true, if
Speaker 3: they have shows at all, well, it is interesting that
Speaker 3: whole like younger generations are not encouraged to tell stories
Speaker 3: on any level. Right, So, I don't know where it's at.
Speaker 2: You we're headed with that.
Speaker 3: Everyone's just talking like everyone is just expressing a vibe
Speaker 3: for a minute, like the in their immediate surroundings.
Speaker 2: And it's not like there's no forward movement or anything.
Speaker 2: It's just that I went I went to this cool
Speaker 2: little spot, yeah, and had a muffin or whatever.
Speaker 3: Exactly, or it's a hot take, and then everyone's like
Speaker 3: and then everyone comes tries to kill you.
Speaker 2: I feel like, I mean, eventually people will be doing
Speaker 2: so little. How are you even going to develop a
Speaker 2: hot take?
Speaker 3: Well, it's a weird time because everyone everything now is
Speaker 3: a hot take. But like it's actually there's nothing else,
Speaker 3: like even down to like Mike White like talking about
Speaker 3: the composer and it's like he was like, everything is
Speaker 3: just it sounds complex, and I do. I do worship
Speaker 3: at the altar of Mike White. Of course, I almost
Speaker 3: like don't want to be gray about how I portray,
Speaker 3: but I do. It does sound it sounds complex. It
Speaker 3: sounds like both It sounds like both parties were maybe
Speaker 3: difficult with each other.
Speaker 2: Right, but you know, and then I'm sure there were
Speaker 2: a million takes on each of them.
Speaker 3: Totally and the work and also like they've been validated
Speaker 3: so much. Something happens. I'm not talking about Mike White,
Speaker 3: but in general, something happens when people are validated too much.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's not good.
Speaker 2: Oh I mean it's a it's they're given a free pass.
Speaker 3: In the eyes change. Yeah, there's a possession I've had this.
Speaker 3: There's a rubric of possession, devil possession that I've created
Speaker 3: with friends and and it's very real in Hollywood.
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean I see it, you know it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm sure we've even to.
Speaker 3: The best of us too. So the people the weirdest thing.
Speaker 3: And I won't name names, but like, there are people
Speaker 3: who we rally around and that were always like I
Speaker 3: love them, No, they finally got their thing, and then
Speaker 3: the overexposure changes them and you're like, I can't even
Speaker 3: of course.
Speaker 2: And then we're doing an architectural Digest tour or something,
Speaker 2: or we're doing the Vogue seventy three questions. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: we are watching a soulless body move around their.
Speaker 3: House and not every road can lead back to fashion. Oh,
Speaker 3: that's what's crazy.
Speaker 2: This is the weirdest thing that's happened, especially within comedy.
Speaker 3: It's it's kind of scary that, like the bottom line
Speaker 3: is that our God is fashion and that we're all
Speaker 3: working under like belief systems until we get to the God.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's all your everything that you thought you were
Speaker 2: working for is now well you get there, But that's
Speaker 2: only to get to fashion. Yeah, to be to be Paris. Yes,
Speaker 2: and character actors are dead. Oh, absolutely, forget it. They.
Speaker 3: I mean that I know so many incredible character actors
Speaker 3: that deserve to be famous. But but that's not the
Speaker 3: way it works anymore.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: They might get a like a non named character on
Speaker 2: a show, right.
Speaker 3: It's very dark for like a guest star. And then
Speaker 3: you've got like Chris Pratt or like Who's a Quiet
Speaker 3: Place John krasinskih Krasinsky, where that's also a very family
Speaker 3: Republican yea.
Speaker 2: Something daughter son, like whatever that is is. There's something
Speaker 2: simmering with both of those men.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think especially with Pratt.
Speaker 3: To get hot too, it's like you go like there's
Speaker 3: something very of the moment. To go from being like
Speaker 3: a Putts or a dud to then being like a
Speaker 3: macho g I. Joe is actually really bad. It's like
Speaker 3: there's something really dark happening.
Speaker 2: Yes, because you start with these people who were hired
Speaker 2: for the office to look as averages.
Speaker 3: Bar to be relatable, to be like that's like the
Speaker 3: silliest side of me, and then now it's like, actually
Speaker 3: that's why I want to be It's like I want
Speaker 3: their body, yeah, and something vulnerable. That's good.
Speaker 2: We don't know what they think or feel at all
Speaker 2: at any point.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's an example.
Speaker 3: Of all of that whatever that's, whatever that is with men,
Speaker 3: that's something that's happening right now.
Speaker 2: Yes, I feel like the office is kind of like
Speaker 2: a Grimlin situation where they started as and now they've
Speaker 2: all become full like the Grimlin with the lipstick and
Speaker 2: ear rings, and we want to be that Wow Grimlin's okay. Well,
Speaker 2: I feel like there's something else we should talk about.
Speaker 2: Not that I want to, not that I want to
Speaker 2: spoil my day, but it feels like the cracks are there,
Speaker 2: we might as well just look directly at it. The
Speaker 2: podcast is called I Said No Gifts, And from from
Speaker 2: what I understand, you have at least heard the title
Speaker 2: of the podcast. You've probably seen an email or two.
Speaker 1: Ah.
Speaker 2: So I was honestly floored when you came just kind
Speaker 2: of cruising through my backyard holding what could not more
Speaker 2: clearly be a gift.
Speaker 3: Look, I had to do it.
Speaker 2: Back against the wall. I appreciation for you in our
Speaker 2: history are rich. Okay, Well, I mean it's here, you're here, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: it's in this, it's behind you. And I've put in
Speaker 2: the work.
Speaker 3: You even feel anything anymore? When you when you say this,
Speaker 3: Yes you do. That's the shocking thing to me. It's
Speaker 3: like a play.
Speaker 2: The fact that I still feel something while recording this podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 2: choices the biggest miracle of my life. I mean we've
Speaker 2: done hundreds. Yeah, and most people at this point, I
Speaker 2: feel like, would be completely numb. And I'm numb in
Speaker 2: every other area of my life. Right, what's happening?
Speaker 3: You know? I wasn't gonna push, but I really.
Speaker 2: Let's get into it.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll give you. Okay, there's actually one thing. It
Speaker 3: is just genuinely like a real gift because I think
Speaker 3: it's this is actually just something for you.
Speaker 2: This is in a cold sack, a cold sack. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's a good crinkle. Yeah, pulling this out, I just
Speaker 2: got some air.
Speaker 3: You know. This is an incredible case. It looks nice
Speaker 3: on the counter. Oh, you didn't have to buy it
Speaker 3: for yourself.
Speaker 2: This is the dream because yeah, I certainly would never
Speaker 2: buy this to actually wash dishes.
Speaker 3: Right, well, you know what, I have it, and now
Speaker 3: you did too.
Speaker 2: You know, I just wouldn't. I don't feel like I'm
Speaker 2: worthy of that purchase.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand like, I'll just buy the dog. I mean,
Speaker 3: you might not be, but I got it for you anyway.
Speaker 3: It smells so good. It's nice, this is lovely, it's nice.
Speaker 3: I started taking fragrance making classes. I have a dream
Speaker 3: of being oh my god, i was at a party
Speaker 3: a few weeks ago and I'm very drunken. I just
Speaker 3: have a memory of drunkenly turning around to like a
Speaker 3: group of people I just and being like, it's official,
Speaker 3: I'm starting a fragrance line in twenty twenty six, Like
Speaker 3: everyone being like who. Like I woke up next morning
Speaker 3: and be like, oh my god, but I'm learning a
Speaker 3: lot about fragrance. And in a bottle of perfume, they
Speaker 3: say that there is never there's rarely more than ten
Speaker 3: dollars worth of of like material.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's amazing. And then the rest is alcohol and water.
Speaker 3: And spit and spit tears.
Speaker 2: Just whatever they find on the factory floor. Yeah, well,
Speaker 2: how long have you been taking the class.
Speaker 3: I've been taking them for like a few months, since
Speaker 3: since the summer, I've been taking them. Yeah, eventually. But
Speaker 3: the more I learned, the more I'm like, whatever, I
Speaker 3: don't know. That's how I feel about every hobby, you're
Speaker 3: numb to it. I'm not. Yeah, more you're getting into something,
Speaker 3: the more you have to do and that of course.
Speaker 3: I took sailing lessons a couple of years ago, and
Speaker 3: the boy scout, I know, I felt, I felt, I
Speaker 3: felt like a man in moments, and uh, and the
Speaker 3: more I got into it, like you're out there all
Speaker 3: day with like people named like Margaret Vansha and you
Speaker 3: don't know them because like you have to take them
Speaker 3: with like and that's like she this is a I
Speaker 3: changed her first name, not her last name, but she
Speaker 3: did somebody. She was a cocktail waitress at a big
Speaker 3: hotel in Santa Monica. So you're like there with like
Speaker 3: random people and then it was fun at first, and
Speaker 3: then you get into like like the boat, like the
Speaker 3: battery or like the toilets, and then I was like,
Speaker 3: I don't care. Why would you.
Speaker 2: Ever gotten to know? Yeah, the battery, I didn't even
Speaker 2: understand it was a battery.
Speaker 3: And one there's a battery. There's a Duris hall.
Speaker 2: Is that for like an emergency motor or something you
Speaker 2: have to have, like.
Speaker 3: A PA system, you have to have whatever. Well, so
Speaker 3: if you're going to teach.
Speaker 2: Wow, I had no idea, and now I know too
Speaker 2: much about sale. Yeah, I didn't want to know any
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 3: A one oh one of any hobby is great, and
Speaker 3: then a one o two is like, oh this sucks. Right.
Speaker 2: This was just to kill time and now it's taking
Speaker 2: over my I'm closer to that. How did you find
Speaker 2: out about this fragrance making class?
Speaker 3: I went to some sort of like fair thing and
Speaker 3: there's a woman there who had made her own fragrances,
Speaker 3: and I was like, how did you learn this? And
Speaker 3: she told me the school and I just started going, wow,
Speaker 3: So what.
Speaker 2: Does it require? Like you go to class and are
Speaker 2: you like learning the chemistry of all of these things
Speaker 2: or is it just like mix different bottles together?
Speaker 3: You can go either way, Like, if you're going to
Speaker 3: do it for real, then you have to then you
Speaker 3: should have been a chemist from day one. So but
Speaker 3: if you're going to just be like a brand bitch,
Speaker 3: like you whatever you want, but it is it isn't.
Speaker 3: What's weird about it is that it is an invisible
Speaker 3: art and and like you can really, I can really.
Speaker 3: It brought out a sense of self doubt that I
Speaker 3: have as a runner in my life, where people are like,
Speaker 3: I smell lime, and then I was like, I'm so stupid.
Speaker 3: I'm not good at anything, Like I don't smell lime.
Speaker 3: And then someone's like, I don't smell lime, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: that's true, I don't smell It's like it is it
Speaker 3: brings out something where you really gaslight yourself about the.
Speaker 2: Truth of Yeah, I have a really bad sense of smell,
Speaker 2: so I feel like this would be my ultimate nightmare. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then I also am a joiner, so I'd just
Speaker 2: be like I would just agree with whoever's talking about
Speaker 2: the smell, right, and then I would learn nothing and
Speaker 2: create garbage.
Speaker 3: Right, You're useless.
Speaker 2: I'm a useless in any capacity, So like, what's the
Speaker 2: end goal? Is to create your own fragrance within the class.
Speaker 3: It's whatever you want. And it's very like there's no
Speaker 3: accreditation and people just drop out. And I've never like
Speaker 3: seen the same person twice really, so you've really kept
Speaker 3: it's workshoppy because there's nothing, there's no real way to
Speaker 3: do this. So I don't know I have I have
Speaker 3: a goal. I just feel like we all need to
Speaker 3: have like side jobs.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think that's probably a good idea. I don't
Speaker 2: know if fragrance is the right, but now you've got
Speaker 2: the knowledge.
Speaker 3: I know by the time my company has ve been going,
Speaker 3: and it's like we're going to be in like the
Speaker 3: next great depression. I'm going to be like, but this rubarb.
Speaker 2: Each week? Do you create a different scent or what happens?
Speaker 3: Honestly, I feel like we should just move on. I
Speaker 3: want to know I can't go regularly.
Speaker 5: The more.
Speaker 3: Exposed out to enu as my relationship to this holding is.
Speaker 2: Do you wear any fragrances?
Speaker 3: I do all that. Okay, okay, what fragrances are you
Speaker 3: wearing right now? I'm wearing Joe Malone, Pnocchi and cedar wood.
Speaker 2: It's really wozy, and.
Speaker 3: Also something called B d K Greece Arnelle. It's like,
Speaker 3: there's a place called Scent Bar in La there's two
Speaker 3: of them out It's like a little mini moment of
Speaker 3: fragrance and you just go, it's amazing, where is it.
Speaker 3: There's one downtown and then there's one like really close
Speaker 3: to the grove, but it's it's like you go in
Speaker 3: and you're just like, I like like incensey smells, and
Speaker 3: they're like, isn't this one wonderful.
Speaker 2: Is there any like scent that you hate that you
Speaker 2: wouldn't wear?
Speaker 3: I really struggle with like ood and musks is like
Speaker 3: a fermented wood. It's very It's popular in like South Asia,
Speaker 3: but it's like in the Middle East, but it's it's
Speaker 3: really pungent and it's hard. Like that's the thing that
Speaker 3: fragrances are. Also like wine culture, where like the more
Speaker 3: sophisticated you are, the more open you are to like,
Speaker 3: you know, not just nice thing, right, you want the
Speaker 3: hardest And I'm just like a basic person, right right. Unfortunately, Well,
Speaker 3: I don't know if I've ever smelled an oode. Let's go,
Speaker 3: thank you? Does this does have a generator? These mics?
Speaker 2: Get in the car?
Speaker 3: Okay, well that's for you.
Speaker 2: Let's I'm so thrilled about this. And I just ran
Speaker 2: out of soap, to be honest, So here we go.
Speaker 2: We go again, Okay, let's get back into the bag.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 2: Does it matter what order these come out?
Speaker 3: And not really? I think no, I think, oh, actually,
Speaker 3: let's do this first. Right.
Speaker 2: They're beautifully wrapped in kind of a confetti style wrapping paper.
Speaker 3: Well, every day, every day should feel like a party.
Speaker 2: You've always said.
Speaker 3: My darkest times.
Speaker 2: Okay, wow, Matt like a face mask.
Speaker 3: Little yeah, little animal masks.
Speaker 2: And they're cheetah colored or animals. These are full like
Speaker 2: almost Halloween costume level because the other side has unicorn
Speaker 2: and they're made from Alaska glacier water, which I refuse
Speaker 2: to believe does it?
Speaker 3: Say yes, Wow, there's no chance. There's no chance there is.
Speaker 2: I mean you can anybody can call a glacier water
Speaker 2: if you want water. You know, it's traveling around the world.
Speaker 2: It's getting sucked up into clouds and taken elsewhere. So
Speaker 2: who knows. Also has fruit extract, but they don't tell
Speaker 2: you which fruit. Yeah, this feels like a allergen. Where
Speaker 2: did you get these?
Speaker 3: Amazon? And has this wonderful little store online.
Speaker 2: This funky little sht to try it.
Speaker 3: It's incredible.
Speaker 2: Do you ever use this type of mask?
Speaker 3: No? No, have you ever? I have. I've done it,
Speaker 3: like you know, in girly moments with rights.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm always Uh. I feel like it is the
Speaker 2: sort of thing that if you're gonna get results, you
Speaker 2: have to do it regularly.
Speaker 3: I don't think these work, to be honest, there's no
Speaker 3: way there's an eight year old girls party that which
Speaker 3: came first. Yeah, so I like, I've tried them once
Speaker 3: or twice and I never mind it. But it is
Speaker 3: a thing where you're kind of stuck wearing it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I can't quite live your life. Maybe you'd want to
Speaker 3: wear them on the show.
Speaker 2: I don't know, should wear one right now? Do you
Speaker 2: want to wear one as well?
Speaker 3: I'll wear one with you. Okay, it'll it'll work better
Speaker 3: on you because you don't have a tear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, I was curious about that. Now I'm gonna
Speaker 2: give you a choice. We have a cheetah, Panda Loma, mermaid.
Speaker 3: What do you want? What do you want?
Speaker 2: Well, I want to see what the mermaid looks like. Well,
Speaker 2: this doesn't make any sense. That's almost nothing. And then
Speaker 2: a unicorn. I think I'm gonna go with. I think
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go fold with a cheetah.
Speaker 3: The cheatah is cue, what do you want? My god?
Speaker 3: The mermaid is really dumb. I think I want to know.
Speaker 3: I want to be sexy if we're going out like
Speaker 3: this club after the water, okay, god knows I am. Oh.
Speaker 2: Well, these are sopping wet. This is the wettest mask.
Speaker 3: I ordered them extra wet. I called Jeff Bezos and
Speaker 3: I said, yeah, I said, hold on, I know you're
Speaker 3: loading women into a spaceship, but I want these masks sweat.
Speaker 3: Look what they really are? Okay, oh my god? Oh
Speaker 3: and soapy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think this is different.
Speaker 3: Sorry, thank you for doing that. This is more air Wars. Now.
Speaker 2: The video of this is horror.
Speaker 3: My god.
Speaker 2: Now I'm wearing a mask listener, and I can't possibly
Speaker 2: imagine what I.
Speaker 3: Look like right now. It smells like a car wash.
Speaker 2: I feel like bank robbery and heist movies. They're always
Speaker 2: like trying to find the next like what weird masks
Speaker 2: will the person be wearing? And I feel like this
Speaker 2: is not the worst idea, you know, like in the
Speaker 2: town they wore the non masks.
Speaker 3: My god, I don't even know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: Is what is that like a Mark Walbert movie.
Speaker 2: It's a probably it's a set in Boston, for sure,
Speaker 2: he's got to be in it. But at some point
Speaker 2: people wear kind of a I don't even know where
Speaker 2: they got these frightening noun masks because what retailer is
Speaker 2: selling this clearly frightening? Wow, this is I gotta stretch it.
Speaker 3: Here we go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait to see what we look like
Speaker 2: after this full mentality. Grace.
Speaker 3: You look like this has just become your truth.
Speaker 2: Actually, I've revealed my full self at last.
Speaker 3: I kind of see it. I get it.
Speaker 2: Oh, do you have any sort of skincare routine?
Speaker 3: No? I do. The only consistent compliment I get in
Speaker 3: my life is my skin.
Speaker 2: You've got great skin, but you do nothing.
Speaker 3: I do nothing, but I do. I do think. I
Speaker 3: just drink a lot of water naturally. Sure. Sure, I'm
Speaker 3: like a very compuls person, and so drinking water is
Speaker 3: just it's just something to compulsively do.
Speaker 2: It's such an easy habit to have. Yeah, unless you
Speaker 2: die of water poisoning or something such.
Speaker 3: As possible well alask in glacier.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that is kind of the secret of
Speaker 2: skincare is do is don't do that much. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think people are doing like these just like getting in
Speaker 2: my mouth. People are doing these fifty step routines. Yes,
Speaker 2: and what results are they really getting? Yeah? Meanwhile, you're
Speaker 2: walking around new as a baby and you're doing nothing.
Speaker 3: I do sleep eight hours. The one thing for all
Speaker 3: of my insanity that I have going on upstairs.
Speaker 2: Like, I do sleep. You sleep pretty well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been very lucky with that.
Speaker 2: Are you a person as soon as you get in
Speaker 2: bed you're falling asleep?
Speaker 3: Or do you lie there for a while. I I
Speaker 3: usually am suddenly like no, I'm ready to go to sleep.
Speaker 3: IH like wow, I mean, I look at my phone. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: I need to get out of that habit. But I
Speaker 3: actually have God, do you want an exclusive? I've debated.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about this now. Okay, So I've debated posting
Speaker 3: about this for a while because it just is so
Speaker 3: humiliating and tragic. But I got one of those sleep
Speaker 3: apps that like tells you if you like like toss
Speaker 3: and turn yes, yes, yes, and it records you. And
Speaker 3: I said something, this is like two years old, and
Speaker 3: I like almost posted it, and then I was like, no,
Speaker 3: I'm scared because I just seem like a terrible human.
Speaker 2: But hold on, I cannot wait.
Speaker 3: I can probably find it. It's so like it tells
Speaker 3: you if you like talk in your sleep, and right, okay,
Speaker 3: it's taken. Okay, So I woke up to hearing myself
Speaker 3: say this. There's two parts to it, so like, so
Speaker 3: you're gonna hear the first part and don't don't start
Speaker 3: talking because you'll miss the second.
Speaker 2: Okay, I cannot wait.
Speaker 5: You loser, do you remember what you're dreaming about?
Speaker 3: It took me. I heard it like mid day, and
Speaker 3: I was like what I felt? All my heart broken
Speaker 3: for myself and for whoever. I was like, I think
Speaker 3: I do know who I was talking about, because I
Speaker 3: had a really long dream about a situation in a
Speaker 3: group of people, and I do think it was connected
Speaker 3: to that. It was me who was last night.
Speaker 2: But it's just like, it's like fuck you, It's like losers.
Speaker 3: It's like the saddest. It made me so sad.
Speaker 2: That's a very like walking away from a group that's
Speaker 2: been just been making fun of you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I which they probably were. I think I
Speaker 3: was justified, just.
Speaker 2: Your head hanging, just feeling absolutely terrible. I'm curious. I
Speaker 2: have to imagine. I I talk in my sleep. I
Speaker 2: did a lot as a kid, and I did a
Speaker 2: lot of sleepwalking. So I should get one of these.
Speaker 2: It just does it record all night?
Speaker 3: Or is it?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, this mask?
Speaker 3: I know it's sort of if you want to take
Speaker 3: it off, I think it probably thank you for you
Speaker 3: got what you did and now we're so Dowy. It's disgusting.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: I did sleepwalk a lot as a kid, but as
Speaker 2: as I I think I grew out of it, but
Speaker 2: I think I'm getting back into it.
Speaker 3: Which you just like walked throughout the house. What would
Speaker 3: you do?
Speaker 2: I would walk through the house. I would At one
Speaker 2: point there were.
Speaker 3: Two birds, one stone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wake up in your eye watcher watch. There was
Speaker 2: one point, and this was a scary one. I walked
Speaker 2: into my stupwalk into my parents room and sat down
Speaker 2: with him and just started laughing and just was laughing
Speaker 2: and they didn't. Yeah, totally Italian grace. And then there
Speaker 2: was one point when I went and you I walked
Speaker 2: stupwalk into their back room. It just sat on it
Speaker 2: and peede.
Speaker 3: Really nasty, nasty little pig. Nasty little Mormon pig. Get out.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I get those kids to la. It is weird when
Speaker 2: your body does kind of like, at least practical things
Speaker 2: with sleepwalking in to CBS, just get all of your
Speaker 2: errands done for the day. Do you know if you've
Speaker 2: ever slept walk?
Speaker 3: I don't think I have. Yeah, I barely. I think
Speaker 3: that that amount of speaking is probably the most think Yeah,
Speaker 3: I have a sleep paralysis a lot. You do, I do?
Speaker 2: Is it horrifying?
Speaker 3: It is? It sucks now I know what it is. So,
Speaker 3: I mean I've had it since I was like sixteen, probably,
Speaker 3: but it happens consistently on planes, okay, and trains and.
Speaker 2: Cars the worst places to have it happened the worst.
Speaker 3: And I have been in like a middle seat before
Speaker 3: on a plane. And there's a thing when have you
Speaker 3: ever had it? No?
Speaker 2: I haven't.
Speaker 3: So like there's you're awake but asleep and you're locked in,
Speaker 3: and there's like little things that are common where like
Speaker 3: you try and like wiggle your finger and you're like
Speaker 3: if I can wiggle my finger, I can wiggle my
Speaker 3: whole arm and then I can like snap out and
Speaker 3: you're just like moving like and it feels like you're
Speaker 3: trying to like push a boulder uphill to get out
Speaker 3: of this like lock in. And I've like fully like
Speaker 3: had like like I've like snapped out of it like
Speaker 3: in a middle seat before and been like it's like
Speaker 3: the most embarrassing, Like.
Speaker 2: This does remind me, Uh, where was I traveling? I
Speaker 2: was on a plane in a couple of months ago
Speaker 2: and I fell asleep and I woke up doing this.
Speaker 3: Wow, you're doing the wave, I guess.
Speaker 2: So, I guess that's kind of similar. But it wasn't
Speaker 2: that you didn't start from paralysis. I just started from
Speaker 2: some frightening dream or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Then, yeah, it really is. And then you can't really
Speaker 2: parents related, yes, but yeah you can't really explain to
Speaker 2: your seat uh fellows.
Speaker 3: People, your seat, husband set, your wife.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so then I just have to sit there like
Speaker 2: everything's normal, which is such a bizarre.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you remember the first time you had sleep paralysis?
Speaker 3: I remember the first time that was really crazy, which
Speaker 3: was in college. I was sleeping in and a regular
Speaker 3: sleep patterns also can contribute it to us, so I'm
Speaker 3: sure I was just like college, sleeping until like eleven
Speaker 3: or something stupid with my college boyfriend, and I suddenly
Speaker 3: was like locked in, and I was like, okay, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna roll myself off the bed, and you have like
Speaker 3: stupid logic like that where you're like, I can do it,
Speaker 3: I can roll myself off. And then finally I actually
Speaker 3: did roll myself off, and when I hit the ground,
Speaker 3: I woke up and I turned to him and I
Speaker 3: started telling him like, oh, my god, I just had sleeprouses.
Speaker 3: And then he started turning into my roommate like before
Speaker 3: my eyes my freshman year dorm, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm still in it. And then I was back in
Speaker 3: like the same lot. And so that was lucid dreaming.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, yeah, wow what a like combo.
Speaker 3: It was full Like Christopher Nolan likes like.
Speaker 2: No, wow, that's really fascinating. I would love to be
Speaker 2: able to lucid dream. I can't do that. I've never
Speaker 2: done it before. Yeah, but sleep paralysis, I mean even
Speaker 2: if I wake up with my arm asleep, the panic
Speaker 2: I go through.
Speaker 3: I do that all the time. My arms are constantly.
Speaker 2: I want to hear this. It's a recent thing for me.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, what do you feel when you try
Speaker 3: to get the when you wake up in your arms
Speaker 3: asleep and you try to do you flail, I'll get
Speaker 3: the blood back. And when you can't lift your torso
Speaker 3: up with your arm, do you take your other arm
Speaker 3: and raise your body up? This is no one's ever
Speaker 3: discussed this.
Speaker 2: It's yeah. And every time my thinking is, oh, this
Speaker 2: is the time that I've.
Speaker 3: You snap it.
Speaker 2: Yes, I know.
Speaker 3: Every time I'm like, and no.
Speaker 2: It's finally going to happen, and I had and I
Speaker 2: didn't do anything wrong. This is just happening to me.
Speaker 3: You know you're gay if you wake up in the
Speaker 3: middle of the night and you're scared that you're gonna
Speaker 3: snap your arms off by twisting and turning. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: think it happens probably once a week to me. Now,
Speaker 3: same what's happening with my body that this is a
Speaker 3: new We should be able to take our arms off
Speaker 3: before bad.
Speaker 2: They're not necessary for sleeping.
Speaker 3: They're not necessary. Similarly, I think that we should all
Speaker 3: take our teeth out early because it's a net loss game.
Speaker 3: You started zero and you only go down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you really do? What what age do you think
Speaker 2: we should get our teeth out?
Speaker 3: I think what what's when you say your first word coquence?
Speaker 3: A real dose for how life works?
Speaker 2: I think I do feel like we're at a point
Speaker 2: technologically and within the medical field and the dental field
Speaker 2: that that should just be like what everyone just we.
Speaker 3: Need to come full circle back to George Washington.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just get them out, get things that you can,
Speaker 2: like put in.
Speaker 3: The dishwasher, or you put your teeth in the dishwasher.
Speaker 2: And wash them with so something that every night you
Speaker 2: just take out and put in a you know, with
Speaker 2: the freezy little tablet, and then put them in the
Speaker 2: next morning. I agree, you know, I don't understand what's
Speaker 2: because they're just a health hazard.
Speaker 3: We just eat softer food. You don't mean if we
Speaker 3: just had a soft food industry then everything would be it's.
Speaker 2: Just kind of a soup based co Yeah. No, I'm
Speaker 2: on board with having all of our teeth removed. I
Speaker 2: don't see the point in keeping them.
Speaker 3: No, and they're not actually sexy, No, they're very all
Speaker 3: We just we've created ideologies around teeth to begin and
Speaker 3: that Amy Lou woman, it's certainly breaking down barriers.
Speaker 2: She is breaking. I love the stories about her because
Speaker 2: it's like she is a stunningly beautiful person.
Speaker 3: She's so gorgeous, and I love her. I actually do
Speaker 3: love her teeth, and it's important. I think it's important
Speaker 3: to like glitches and the matrix are important.
Speaker 2: Yes, things like that's just that person's teeth. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: every news article is like this mutant has crawled out
Speaker 2: of the sewer to break.
Speaker 3: Barrier, to fight all odds. It's like, we'll give her
Speaker 3: one chance and then we'll let her sail away. Although
Speaker 3: I did see some like she was in a production
Speaker 3: of Cabaret in the UK as like the mc no,
Speaker 3: it's tellibles and she looks very like raggedy and in
Speaker 3: a really good way, I want, I think, and.
Speaker 2: You feel like the teeth contributed to this for sure? Wow,
Speaker 2: So she can really go in any direction, any direction
Speaker 2: where the teeth can be like that teeth Forward productions.
Speaker 3: Uh no, I bond girl? Oh interesting, isn't there like
Speaker 3: a dental bond that there's like a pun in there? Oh?
Speaker 2: There is absolutely What is a dental bond? Is that
Speaker 2: for your dent?
Speaker 3: There's like a tube of toothpaste in the section with
Speaker 3: bond in it.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about. I think it's called it's not dental bond,
Speaker 2: is it.
Speaker 3: It's like they're gonna be like Great American Family and
Speaker 3: then we have to just like believe you again.
Speaker 2: We find out that computer is just broken.
Speaker 3: It's owned by Great American Family.
Speaker 4: I mean, I see dent gold gold bond is what
Speaker 4: you're thinking about that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not a yeah, wait what is gold bond?
Speaker 3: Who are you talking to you? Over there?
Speaker 2: You know from everyone else, there's a man there's a
Speaker 2: shadow standing CEO of gold.
Speaker 3: Bonds Ghost body powder. There is people.
Speaker 2: Do you do that the powder?
Speaker 3: I do feel no offense. I do feel a paler
Speaker 3: person was more likely to do this. That is I'm deep.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying you, but what like is it?
Speaker 2: Did they use it in?
Speaker 3: Uh? Everywhere? There's nastywhere these little fuckers.
Speaker 2: I guess it's for a very damp person. I guess,
Speaker 2: so you've got to really dry out the use these masks.
Speaker 3: You got to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never done the powder.
Speaker 3: Neither vibe, but I do feel like I don't know
Speaker 3: your practices, but I do feel like grinder. I don't know,
Speaker 3: Like you could imagine walking into someone's house and then
Speaker 3: discovering that they're like a gold bond, like you never know,
Speaker 3: it's all over the couch, like I can't turn back now,
Speaker 3: and they're like, I didn't agree to this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a It feels like something that is from
Speaker 2: another time. But they're like people probably pockets of the country.
Speaker 2: They're so gold bonds. And then there's gold bog families
Speaker 2: and people who have adopted it late in life as
Speaker 2: some sort of fetish and they love just a powdery experience,
Speaker 2: which I'm not on board with.
Speaker 3: The powder culture is disgusting and it's crazy and it's
Speaker 3: not necessary.
Speaker 2: Powder culture really is. It's kind of like upper room
Speaker 2: of the saloon, just kind of like, yeah, you're masking
Speaker 2: so many things that you should have just washed off.
Speaker 3: Or yes, that's true and that I understand. But I
Speaker 3: do think there's something about it that's like, well, I mean,
Speaker 3: we're all babies, and it's just like, no, we're not.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's something real weird about it, like no
Speaker 2: one said we're babies. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3: I'm strictly a deode rent stick. Yeah you've done a
Speaker 3: dealdant spray. I think I've like shared someone's okay, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know that when you can share.
Speaker 2: I thought, oh, that's a good point.
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't. I only really sweat and smell
Speaker 3: if I'm working out, and I'm not like a sweaty smell, right,
Speaker 3: and so so you're not a daily deodorant person. I
Speaker 3: try not to be. Wow, I'm trying. I am, like,
Speaker 3: but I really love to feel clean and I love
Speaker 3: like little rituals and so I do like to do it.
Speaker 3: But I'm actually thinking i'm going to stop. And so
Speaker 3: I'm I'm weaning right now for health reasons. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: just I mean, like think about it, Like, why are
Speaker 3: we caking something into our crevice? Right? I can't be right.
Speaker 3: It's just like literally asking we're asking it to be absorbed.
Speaker 3: It's not going anywhere. Yeah, one place to the neighbor,
Speaker 3: the pits of the neighbors do the heart.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm so scared now. But I would
Speaker 2: rather have people happy with me than be medically safe.
Speaker 2: Because have you ever read Codependancy?
Speaker 3: No more? I need to. It's really good.
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be I'm afraid it's gonna be
Speaker 2: two eye opening for me.
Speaker 3: So and and but okay, in that case, what is
Speaker 3: the point of.
Speaker 2: Life to feel myself from anything?
Speaker 3: Wow? Sort of growth through you. You're one of the
Speaker 3: few people that will admit it, who actually says it.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's time for me to read it. But what
Speaker 2: if it shifts everything?
Speaker 3: I mean it could, but I think yeah it could.
Speaker 3: I it made me see a lot of stuff. But
Speaker 3: it's it's I like her her vibe. She's like it's
Speaker 3: old school. It's like the first seminal codependency books and
Speaker 3: and so it's a lot of it's about alcoholism, because
Speaker 3: like that's all they thought it was ely twenties and
Speaker 3: then but like she gives example, she's like she's got
Speaker 3: like a voice sort of like I like this. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you actually kind of like her, Like she's kind of
Speaker 3: funny too, And she's like, say, your son's a shopaholic
Speaker 3: and he says, Mom, I'm going to shop till I
Speaker 3: drop and you go back upstairs and you and the
Speaker 3: mother like it's just like the most crazy specific Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's these situations that you're like.
Speaker 2: What, wait, what's her name?
Speaker 3: Do you know?
Speaker 2: I don't I can't put it on the spot with author. Yeah,
Speaker 2: well okay, I'm gonna get into that.
Speaker 4: Is that Melody Beady?
Speaker 2: Incredible name.
Speaker 3: She's great, she's very likable. But it's all it's like,
Speaker 3: say your husband throws you down the stairs, steals your
Speaker 3: corvette and doesn't show back up for two months. Are
Speaker 3: you going to let him back in? This is literally
Speaker 3: exactly what she sounds like. I'm getting it, really, I'm
Speaker 3: getting really good.
Speaker 2: Well, at least to get the keys to my corvette.
Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, okay we have There are obviously other
Speaker 2: things in here, I've got to that's say Okay, now
Speaker 2: this is more of a tube shaped object.
Speaker 3: Don't get your host out. It's not a tube.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's a T shirt, a T shirt.
Speaker 3: This is I am afraid of what I found it
Speaker 3: on Amazon. I used that's what I wanted to no,
Speaker 3: because I am afraid of women. It's like that's very gay, yes,
Speaker 3: but then it's also for what, like.
Speaker 2: Like what is who's wearing it? Like a like a
Speaker 2: bro in Vegas?
Speaker 3: Like who is it for?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: I don't know because obviously contextually it's going to mean
Speaker 2: all sorts of different things on the person and what
Speaker 2: environment they're in. If I were to be wearing this,
Speaker 2: what am I? What am I trying to say?
Speaker 3: Well, let's find o.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna wear this on an episode of What Would
Speaker 2: You Do? And it'll just be a man wearing this shirt?
Speaker 2: What would you do with this?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: Wow, this is a fascinating thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I actually Amazon. I searched your name in Amazon.
Speaker 3: I'm not kidding, I'm not getting And then so I
Speaker 3: found a shirt that said god it said I am
Speaker 3: Bridger doing Bridger things literally like if you Amazon your name,
Speaker 3: it's like the boy, it's like I was like, do
Speaker 3: I get that? And then I was like I hate it,
Speaker 3: Like I hate I am bridger to it. I just
Speaker 3: didn't like the sound saying it coming. Yes, And so
Speaker 3: then when I clicked on that, it was like you
Speaker 3: might also like and it led to the shirt and
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, this is like a natural path. Wow,
Speaker 3: this is this must be a whole industry.
Speaker 2: I there's some sort of bot or something that's just
Speaker 2: literally throwing words together that could be tied into Amazon
Speaker 2: and the search results.
Speaker 3: Well, it's an interesting expression of misogyny because it's giving
Speaker 3: women power over the wearer. Yes, So I don't fully
Speaker 3: get it, Like I'm a little bit like who is
Speaker 3: who is what straight man out there who like wants
Speaker 3: to like hand it to women on a T shirt
Speaker 3: is also being like because I'm lesser than you, I
Speaker 3: don't understand it. Personality type of you could pause. It's
Speaker 3: a dangerous person, a very dangerous person. You're right, no
Speaker 3: matter who wears it, Like.
Speaker 2: I don't even know how you would operate in the
Speaker 2: world walking around in this. No one is going to
Speaker 2: treat you in any way you want them to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no one's going to give you the power in
Speaker 3: any exchange. It's anyway you can throw that away as
Speaker 3: eighteen dollars. I could have used a fascinating towards therapy.
Speaker 2: I would love to see one person I would love
Speaker 2: to meet an interview if you, if you already own
Speaker 2: this product, reach out to the podcast and we'll interview you.
Speaker 2: Try to get to the bottom of your behavior in
Speaker 2: your lifestyle, because yeah, I just don't know. At least
Speaker 2: you have any guesses.
Speaker 3: I have two guesses. I have two guesses.
Speaker 4: One is like a group of like a toxic and
Speaker 4: male friend group, Like they're going out to Vegas and
Speaker 4: they put that on like the weakest.
Speaker 3: Link you can't get.
Speaker 4: A girl or a lesbian, a little he's afraid of
Speaker 4: would wear that to the club and be like, please
Speaker 4: just hit on me.
Speaker 3: Okay, I think lesbian. I think now I feel ashamed
Speaker 3: for not having opened the lesbian door of possibility. I
Speaker 3: do think that there's also like an Orlando lesbian who
Speaker 3: would wear it too.
Speaker 2: Like the nightmare is that your house is on fire.
Speaker 2: You're not wearing anything, and you're like, just grab a shirt.
Speaker 2: You're surrounded by firefighters and the neighbors, right.
Speaker 3: And they're all women and no one's helping you, and
Speaker 3: you burn alive. It's a good short film.
Speaker 2: I love it. I can't wait to find an opportunity
Speaker 2: to wear this wonderful Okay, and now finally there's I'm
Speaker 2: touching the mask. It's getting my arm wet.
Speaker 3: Those masks were disgusting. I'm so sorry. I can't wait
Speaker 3: to see what happens to both of our faces burned
Speaker 3: beyond recognition or we trade faces face like the fly.
Speaker 3: It's a portal, all right.
Speaker 2: Now, this is.
Speaker 3: Just as I said. I just search Ridger, Wineger and Amazon.
Speaker 2: It's a book called Winnegar Reflections Tales from Wisconsin's north
Speaker 2: Woods by Weirdly someone that Bill.
Speaker 3: I think that wine Again must be the north Woods.
Speaker 3: I did highlight well inside I marked a really important passage.
Speaker 3: But let's hear about Bill Retherford.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, let's Bill Rutherford was born at Uper lives
Speaker 2: in Milwaukee.
Speaker 3: But I don't know what that is. But it's not good.
Speaker 3: Yeah I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't want topers. But still calls Winegar home. So
Speaker 2: Wineger's a city or a town or a lake. Here's
Speaker 2: what people are saying. Oh it's got good press.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, yeah, some people are saying.
Speaker 2: Janice Felts says, it has brought to my mind pleasant,
Speaker 2: humorous and melancholy memories we had we had put in
Speaker 2: the back of our mind. This brought them out too,
Speaker 2: triggering sharing times that we are for the most all,
Speaker 2: for the most part, all familiar with.
Speaker 3: Okay for the most part. And so they're admitting that
Speaker 3: it's not universal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is not it's not going to be a
Speaker 2: huge ship.
Speaker 3: Actually, you won't relate to this at all.
Speaker 2: And Steve Finnegan says, very cool. I love the way
Speaker 2: you tell stories.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that was interesting. Will you look up
Speaker 3: Steve Finnigan? Wait, can I tell you something really cool? Yes, quickly,
Speaker 3: just saying, will you look up somebody? Have you ever
Speaker 3: watched International House Hunters before?
Speaker 2: Oh? Of course.
Speaker 3: Okay. There was an episode with these people that I
Speaker 3: want to say had gone. They were this family that
Speaker 3: was moving to like Malaca or somewhere, and they were
Speaker 3: moving from like Sarasota, and the whole time I was like,
Speaker 3: something is up, Like this family is like on the lamb,
Speaker 3: the vibes are weird. Something's off. I like finally found
Speaker 3: his name like on Reddit or something. I googled this
Speaker 3: man and he was like Housted as like the University
Speaker 3: of Florida, something like women's I want to say it
Speaker 3: was basketball, but maybe it was football or so, I
Speaker 3: can't remember soccer. I think it was soccer, was women's soccer.
Speaker 3: And he a lot of them claimed that he had
Speaker 3: made them bleimic and that he was I know, but
Speaker 3: it was to go from watching international house centers being
Speaker 3: like something's up and then like going straight to this thing.
Speaker 3: And they severed him with pay, and clearly he had
Speaker 3: used the pay to find this house and put himself
Speaker 3: on TV. It's interesting that the family would go right
Speaker 3: onto TV from.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's truly just psychopath behavioral, just like
Speaker 2: I'm getting.
Speaker 3: Away with the best life, low level, low level, best
Speaker 3: life behavior.
Speaker 2: Because I've often especially not just on regular house Hunters,
Speaker 2: because there are various other issues with those people, but
Speaker 2: on international you're always.
Speaker 3: Like something something, it's always tax people or like I
Speaker 3: couldn't ever find a husband.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's like there's never just a like, oh we
Speaker 2: want to see the world. There's something driving them away.
Speaker 2: And for you to have actually found one of these
Speaker 2: people is.
Speaker 3: It was exciting incredible. It was huge.
Speaker 2: Okay, you highlighted part of this I did.
Speaker 3: This is a passage. I want you to take heart
Speaker 3: to heart.
Speaker 2: It says, we hope that some should read this whole.
Speaker 3: Paragraph, the whole thing, all connected as one.
Speaker 2: We hope that someday Weininger may die. That is a
Speaker 2: universal message. Most people have that on front of mind.
Speaker 2: I thought, I'm listening to this podcast. The moment they
Speaker 2: click play, that comes. That's immediate where they're thinking, we
Speaker 2: get to wow, this is a beautiful book. I can't
Speaker 2: wait to find out. I should visit Weininger. I wonder.
Speaker 3: I'm sure they'd help post or like a I'm there's
Speaker 3: an honorary mayor or something. It would help them get
Speaker 3: a blue check if you. Wininger should host me at
Speaker 3: some point, I should come to a little parade. We've
Speaker 3: got chapters such as Hot Pursuit. I wonder what happens
Speaker 3: there A visit from the Bear's Death Knell a small town.
Speaker 3: There's no good news coming out of Wine. It's a
Speaker 3: curse name.
Speaker 2: This is a bad place.
Speaker 3: It is crazy. Is it German?
Speaker 2: Wininger is? I think it's Dutch. I think it's like
Speaker 2: something about vineyards or something.
Speaker 3: Most Mormons.
Speaker 2: Mormons are there's a you know, it's I would say
Speaker 2: white mutt, but like Scandinavian, English, Scottish.
Speaker 3: So interesting because there's the look like the Mormon look.
Speaker 3: I think that ever have been from the same like
Speaker 3: gene Pool.
Speaker 2: Right, I think it's largely like Northern Europe Scandinavia, yeah,
Speaker 2: and British and then right because there are a lot
Speaker 2: of Anderson's Sorenson's like these kind of very right scandy names,
Speaker 2: scandy words.
Speaker 3: I hope it's not terrible. It's a derogatory word about
Speaker 3: the most oppressed people.
Speaker 2: You don't know what they're.
Speaker 3: Actually, those people, Northern European people, you're.
Speaker 2: Not into them.
Speaker 3: They get these tests, these census tests where they say
Speaker 3: they're the happiest so fappiest countries in the world, and
Speaker 3: they're the most depressed alcoholics and the well sweeten's different.
Speaker 3: They have a little sense of humor, but like they
Speaker 3: are the most joyless, finish people, and they say they're
Speaker 3: the happiest and they do carry the sun goes down
Speaker 3: at noon and they do karaoke and their alcoholics do
Speaker 3: karaoke for twelve hours after the sun goes down. And
Speaker 3: they say they're the most happy people in the world,
Speaker 3: and we believe them. What's driving and we go, well,
Speaker 3: there's something wrong with us. Every time I said.
Speaker 2: Those is so fucked truly. Any It's like a yearly headline. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it make sure you just have this existential thing
Speaker 2: of like, well, there's no way I can get to
Speaker 2: that life. I'm trapped in this body in this country.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And meanwhile people are living it up.
Speaker 2: They're having the time of their lives, and I can't
Speaker 2: really prove anything.
Speaker 3: I went to Finland in some like film school exchange
Speaker 3: situation that was like a week of like having to
Speaker 3: meet people, and I was like really trying to be personable.
Speaker 3: The whole time, I was consistently shut down socially in
Speaker 3: every every way you can shut someone down. At the
Speaker 3: end of they were like, you know, when we first
Speaker 3: met to you, we thought, you know, this here is
Speaker 3: so forward and we're not for it. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: how do you think I felt? I was like I
Speaker 3: was working overtime to make social situations work, and I'm
Speaker 3: worse for yourself. Oh, that's why I read the codependency book.
Speaker 2: Now you can finally go back to fit yeah. Well,
Speaker 2: I'm so excited about Wineger. I've got my T shirt.
Speaker 2: I've got I mean, you've really You've changed everything for me.
Speaker 2: I'm about to start my second chapter. I think we
Speaker 2: should play a game. We can play a game called
Speaker 2: Gift or a curse. But I need a number between
Speaker 2: one and ten from you.
Speaker 3: Ten, Okay, I have to.
Speaker 2: I have to do some like calculating to get our
Speaker 2: game pieces. So right now you can recommend, promote, do
Speaker 2: whatever you want.
Speaker 3: Oh god, I mean you can just follow me in
Speaker 3: Instagram where nothing happens anymore. I met ge Charles Rogers.
Speaker 3: That's the English spelling of Rogers, r og no, that's
Speaker 3: the French. The French Norman spelling is r O g
Speaker 3: r O d g is the English Anglo spelling. Fuck uh.
Speaker 3: And I'm going to make another TV show. I hope.
Speaker 3: To god, I don't know, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: That's exciting.
Speaker 3: I hope. I hope it all happens.
Speaker 2: You never know, I mean, everything's insane. People want you
Speaker 2: to make another TV show.
Speaker 3: I hope so, I mean, I hope they do. I
Speaker 3: don't know anymore. Of the world's scary, the.
Speaker 2: World's very odd, But I feel like eventually people. Maybe
Speaker 2: one a very late adopter to this podcast. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: this will be a commercial for your show.
Speaker 3: That would be nice. It's perfect.
Speaker 2: This is how we play Gift or a Curse. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna name three things. You're gonna tell me if they're
Speaker 2: gift or a curse and why, and then I'll tell
Speaker 2: you if you're right or wrong because there are correct answers.
Speaker 3: I'm going to be right. I think I know you.
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll see, we shall see.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: This first one is from our make a tier of
Speaker 2: suggestions from a listener named Christina. Gift or a curse.
Speaker 2: Cashiers who ask you what you're doing tonight.
Speaker 3: Wow, I think the obvious answer is curse, but I'm
Speaker 3: gonna say gift because it's an opportunity to lie, and
Speaker 3: it's an opportunity to find out what comes out of
Speaker 3: you in situations like that, and it's a good check
Speaker 3: in for your comfort level with strangers and your relationship
Speaker 3: to going out correct. I knew it, And a beautiful
Speaker 3: logic that's so fantastic. First of all, we love our cashiers, Yeah,
Speaker 3: we do. I love a visit with my cash here. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And again, like nothing anytime anyone asks me, what are
Speaker 2: you doing tonight? My mind goes blank? Right, so why
Speaker 2: not just say whatever you want? You're never going to
Speaker 2: see this person again.
Speaker 3: And it's very tricky because if you are doing something cool,
Speaker 3: then you don't want to be a.
Speaker 2: Right But then if you're doing nothing, you want to
Speaker 2: be the loser that the cashier makes the cashier sad.
Speaker 3: And you have to keep it simple because people can't
Speaker 3: handle more than a few words. Yeah, you've got a
Speaker 3: probably six word plan, but then you get to see
Speaker 3: what how they react you.
Speaker 2: The person behind you is wondering what's going on?
Speaker 3: Yeah, there.
Speaker 2: Before you even start talking. No, I think it's wonderful.
Speaker 2: I think that cashiers should be prying into everyone's speak. Cashier,
Speaker 2: who could ask for more? Who could ask for more?
Speaker 2: A feeling. I I rarely feel closer to someone than
Speaker 2: when a cashier is dealing with a difficult customer. Le
Speaker 2: we make icons totally, Oh, the intimacy.
Speaker 3: Totally and yeah, and the superiority then and then the
Speaker 3: over correcting of being esternized.
Speaker 2: Yeah, your time to shine and then you fumble.
Speaker 3: Using it's my role to restore their their belief in humanity.
Speaker 2: Okay, you've gotten one correct so far. We'll see what
Speaker 2: happens next. Gift her curses from a listener named Ian
Speaker 2: gift to a curse when someone knows something and asks
Speaker 2: you to guess.
Speaker 3: When someone knows something and asks you to yes, I
Speaker 3: think curse. Honestly, Oh gosh, no, oh god. It could
Speaker 3: go either way. I think that I'm gonna say. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna say gift because it is an opportunity to let
Speaker 3: someone else have the power and to work through what
Speaker 3: that does to your own interiority.
Speaker 2: I mean, I hate to say it, you're wrong because
Speaker 2: that was a real look at this, and you did
Speaker 2: give us some thought.
Speaker 3: Because it's just annoying.
Speaker 2: I have to just be as straightforward with this as possible.
Speaker 2: What could be more irritating? Right, And every time I
Speaker 2: will just I cut to the chase. I don't want
Speaker 2: to guess. I just say I don't want to guess.
Speaker 2: And if the person continues to push me to guess,
Speaker 2: now the tension is through the roof and I'm going
Speaker 2: to be wrong, and then what good? What good comes
Speaker 2: from this? Right?
Speaker 3: It's usually good news. I don't think with bad news,
Speaker 3: people are.
Speaker 2: Like, guess, it's so your daughter's the hospital.
Speaker 3: It's like, no, no, the cleaner didn't come.
Speaker 2: Okay, well you got that one wrong. So your plans
Speaker 2: have been really ruined here, but here's one more chance.
Speaker 3: You're an enemy.
Speaker 2: This is from a listener named Sonny Gift to a
Speaker 2: curse cars with engines that shut down stop lights and
Speaker 2: then start up again when you hit the gas.
Speaker 3: Curse why it's not worth it? Everything. The idea that,
Speaker 3: like the consumer is responsible for saving the planet is
Speaker 3: a part of the matrix of whys that we're in
Speaker 3: right now. Like, it is absolutely up to the corporations,
Speaker 3: and like these inconveniences that we embrace in the name
Speaker 3: of like being a responsible consumer are delusional.
Speaker 2: You are correct, Okay, this is the I absolutely hate
Speaker 2: this device. First of all, nobody likes that feeling turn off.
Speaker 2: And then you're sitting at the light, you're freaking out,
Speaker 2: you're panicking, you're wondering. I get used to it. And
Speaker 2: again it's like, especially because it happens with gas cars,
Speaker 2: it's like, I'm already driving the gas car. What could
Speaker 2: this possibly be doing?
Speaker 3: Any feature that prevents you from getting out of an
Speaker 3: emergency instantly, Like my car if I open the door
Speaker 3: while it's driving, it throws itself in park way.
Speaker 2: More danger.
Speaker 3: What is attacking me? I go through the windshield.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, I have like mine. When I pull
Speaker 2: out when there's there's traffic coming like half a mile away,
Speaker 2: and I try to pull out, it stops.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then it just puts me like it elevates
Speaker 3: my blood pressure, right, and you know you're not desert door.
Speaker 2: Yeah. None of that stuff really seems to be actually safe.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I can't believe this about yours though. This is going
Speaker 2: to lead to your death.
Speaker 3: Something is I've got a few, I've got a few players.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's absolutely a curse. I think that. I
Speaker 2: can't imagine there's a single person on board with that.
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's one person who's just like this future.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you it's changed everything. What has it changed?
Speaker 3: Because you want it to take little naps?
Speaker 2: My car is a pit. What you got to out
Speaker 2: of three not what you want.
Speaker 3: I really came in trying to win.
Speaker 2: It feels like this is something at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, on Alisha, you have your gift or a curse?
Speaker 3: I do what is it?
Speaker 4: Here we go when a restaurant manager comes to the
Speaker 4: table to check in to see how your meal was.
Speaker 3: I it could go either way. I'm going to say
Speaker 3: curse because I guarantee it's when I'm in the middle.
Speaker 3: I'm almost to the punchline of my story, and that
Speaker 3: is undoubtedly when I'm interrupted time and time again in
Speaker 3: my life, and it is something God is trying to
Speaker 3: tell me. But also manager. I like it when the owner,
Speaker 3: but I don't like on the manager interesting. The owner
Speaker 3: is like, that's cool, and then the manager it's like
Speaker 3: I said, we're fine to everyone else.
Speaker 2: I'm going to I also will say curse. I feel
Speaker 2: like I see right through it. This is just kind
Speaker 2: of some little thing for them to they're waiting for
Speaker 2: you to read out a waiter or something. They're trying
Speaker 2: to because no one's going to be outright mean or
Speaker 2: complain to the manager's face. And also, if I want
Speaker 2: to talk to the manager, you'll hear me screaming at
Speaker 2: an employee, I want to talk to your manager.
Speaker 3: So you think that they're coming around being like, so
Speaker 3: you sure you sure? Betsy's a good Yeah, exactly. So
Speaker 3: I think it's a curse.
Speaker 2: I used to say gift.
Speaker 4: I used to say gift because it made me feel
Speaker 4: a little special, but.
Speaker 3: Then you started getting better kinds of attention exactly. I
Speaker 3: read the codependency.
Speaker 4: But I recently went out to dinner with my father,
Speaker 4: like about two weeks ago, okay, no, sorry, went out
Speaker 4: to dinner and the manager was just like staring at
Speaker 4: our table for a while. Finally approached kind of men singly.
Speaker 4: According to my dad, I didn't this was all happening
Speaker 4: behind me, and he goes, Hi, there, how how did
Speaker 4: you discover us? First of all like an agenda? And
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, I saw, I saw TikTok about this place.
Speaker 3: I didn't seem Indiana Jones.
Speaker 4: And he said, well, what do you think of You know,
Speaker 4: we've been getting a lot of one star reviews lately,
Speaker 4: what do you think of that? Somebody gave me a
Speaker 4: one star review for the music, and somebody gave me
Speaker 4: a one star review for like having like this special
Speaker 4: kind of bread. And I suddenly just saw this man
Speaker 4: like unravel before my eyes, and he was just I
Speaker 4: was just like, you're just trying to see if I'm
Speaker 4: going to give you a bad YELP review, Please leave.
Speaker 3: I was you don't hate me? He's like, I was
Speaker 3: so ready going to give you a.
Speaker 4: One star review just for doing this like I was.
Speaker 2: I was a good.
Speaker 3: Exactly and now you are absolute curse.
Speaker 4: This is not It's about them and they're in securities
Speaker 4: as a as an employee, not about the actual experience
Speaker 4: you're having.
Speaker 2: While we all walk away winners here except for managers
Speaker 2: managing expectations. Okay, this is the final segment of the podcast.
Speaker 3: With Fingers.
Speaker 2: Fingers a spell. Will you help me answer a listener question?
Speaker 2: Of course people are writing into I said no gifts
Speaker 2: at gmail dot com. We have voice notes, but I
Speaker 2: feel like it's we should read some of these emails
Speaker 2: on occasion or these poor people they're pouring their souls
Speaker 2: out to me, and then you know, I can't turn
Speaker 2: my back on everyone. Yes, okay, this is Bridger and Guest.
Speaker 2: I live in a two story house with my husband
Speaker 2: and two dogs, and we live in a shoes off household.
Speaker 2: One dog relentlessly shreds while the shreds on the guitar.
Speaker 3: It's like cartoon notes.
Speaker 2: Sheds, while the other one has curly hair and constantly
Speaker 2: tracks in dirt and other sticks leaves into the house.
Speaker 2: This person hates their dogs. My husband and I naturally
Speaker 2: split most of the chores throughout our day today. But
Speaker 2: one thing that I can't seem to get is his
Speaker 2: assistance with sweeping slash vacuuming our house. When he wanted
Speaker 2: to get a rug in the living room against my
Speaker 2: protests due to the difficulty this would make for my
Speaker 2: regular sweeping. Are you following the sentence.
Speaker 3: He wanted to get a He wanted to get a
Speaker 3: rug to make this sweeping more difficulty. Is that what
Speaker 3: it was?
Speaker 2: Yes? And the writer is saying, because I now need
Speaker 2: to dust bust oh, I need to bust out the vacuum.
Speaker 2: He promised he would regularly vacuum the rug to prevent
Speaker 2: fur slash dirt build up. Okay, so he got the
Speaker 2: rug and the compromise was, please let me get the rug,
Speaker 2: all vacuum it.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I think I can count on one hand how
Speaker 2: many times he has vacuumed this rug. And he even
Speaker 2: wants to get more rugs for the hallway. Sounds like
Speaker 2: he's in that book.
Speaker 3: He's addicted to rugs because he is scared of the
Speaker 3: dogs slipping on the hard wood. Okay, this is a
Speaker 3: I mean, we are reading a book. Unfortunately, he doesn't
Speaker 3: understand the additional obstacles this presents in my sweeping quest.
Speaker 3: I have tried being both explicit and passive aggressive and
Speaker 3: trying to get his help in sweeping the floors, but
Speaker 3: with no success. How can I get my husband to
Speaker 3: help me clean the floors? Do I accumulate the dust
Speaker 3: slash fur that I regularly sweep up in a bin
Speaker 3: and dump it on his side of the bed?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Do?
Speaker 2: I just suck it up and keep sweeping on my
Speaker 2: own help? And that's from Derek.
Speaker 3: I knew it was a man. I knew it was
Speaker 3: a gig guy, and that does affect my answer.
Speaker 2: So what does he do?
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. I think they say that
Speaker 3: if you so. Elizabeth Gilbert, who wrote You Pray Love,
Speaker 3: says that if you don't can't identify a passion in life,
Speaker 3: you should follow your curiosity. So I think that we
Speaker 3: need to step out of the rubric of rugs and
Speaker 3: dogs and pursue Well, what else is there? And what else? Yeah?
Speaker 3: What else could what could make me? What could give
Speaker 3: me purpose?
Speaker 2: And other than hating my husband? I mean, I feel
Speaker 2: like they that's.
Speaker 3: Perhaps too cold, right? Do you think that people I
Speaker 3: like to be shook awake.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think, I mean I always go to
Speaker 2: leave him, but I think I know if he had
Speaker 2: sent a picture, we would have been able to say, well,
Speaker 2: this is worth sticking around for and letting him just
Speaker 2: kind of neglect you curious. Uh, it'd be interesting if
Speaker 2: they have kids and they didn't.
Speaker 3: Did they not say with the dog the dogs?
Speaker 2: It seems like he's he's not happy with his life.
Speaker 2: He doesn't like the things these dogs are doing. He
Speaker 2: doesn't like rugs at all, he doesn't like the husband,
Speaker 2: he doesn't like vacuuming.
Speaker 3: I think, I think, actually he enjoys this role of bitching,
Speaker 3: and I think he does love his life. He likes
Speaker 3: to play to a podcast about this, so like he
Speaker 3: does enjoy like the veil of this podcast right now.
Speaker 3: He does enjoy like like being like Derek, like I
Speaker 3: guess he's Derek might be.
Speaker 2: This is one of the Derek Derek couples. Derek, I
Speaker 2: feel like if this went away, he'd be so bored,
Speaker 2: he'd have nothing to talk to his friends about at dinner. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is keeping the marriage alive, right. The moment that
Speaker 2: Derek too starts sweeping or vacuuming. It's gonna flatten out,
Speaker 2: there's gonna be zero passion. Yeah, there are two dogs,
Speaker 2: so they can pretty much split up pretty evenly. There's
Speaker 2: not a big fight, and yeah, then it's over. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so Derek just let it lie.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think he's doing exactly what he likes to do.
Speaker 2: And I think he's got his name.
Speaker 3: I think he's he likes his nasty little game, and
Speaker 3: I think this is his opportunity to have a little
Speaker 3: spotlight on his little nasty game. And I think he's
Speaker 3: gonna play it every day for the rest of his life.
Speaker 3: And that's a okay.
Speaker 2: And this is just gonna snowball into more and more
Speaker 2: risky behavior.
Speaker 3: But we have to protect ourselves and we can't get
Speaker 3: sucked into this. First and foremost, we have to distance
Speaker 3: ourselves from this email and Derek card boundary, these toxic
Speaker 3: these toxic rock obsessed guess men, Derek, don't write back
Speaker 3: in Oh, Charles, we answered the question perfectly. My life
Speaker 3: is just the texture in my life now is wet,
Speaker 3: absolutely soaked, just wet and slimy, and I'm going to
Speaker 3: embrace it and be afraid of women. I'm happy to
Speaker 3: have led you there, Thank you for being, thank you
Speaker 3: for having listener. The podcast is over.
Speaker 2: Hopefully you've you know, given some thought to something about
Speaker 2: what you're gonna do with your day, or at least
Speaker 2: had some sugar so you don't just slump over and die.
Speaker 2: Move on, do what you need to do. I love you, goodbye,
Speaker 2: I said, No Gifts is an exactly right production. Our
Speaker 2: senior producer is on Alise Nelson, and our episodes are
Speaker 2: beautifully mixed by Ben Toliday. The theme song is by
Speaker 2: miracle Worker Amy Mann, and we couldn't do it without
Speaker 2: our booker, Patrick Cottner. You must follow the show on Instagram.
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Speaker 1: Did you hear? Funa man myself perfectly clear.
Speaker 3: When you're a.
Speaker 1: Guest to me, you gotta come to me empty. And
Speaker 1: I said, no guests, you're our presences, presents and I
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