WEBVTT - Conscious Rap vs. Club Bangers 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:10.000 Hey, everybody, Welcome to hold Up. I have now realized 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:13.200 that a podcast hosted by two black people called hold up. 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:19.240 It's a problem. It's a problem, but we already named it. 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:21.840 This is this is five we can't do. First Okay, 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:23.920 first of all, it might be better because it's like, 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:27.200 this is a hold up, Like I hear what you're saying. 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:29.880 I hear. I feel I feel like hold up works though. 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:32.760 I think it gives people's attention. Man hold up. Yeah, 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:36.040 it's like or it can only be called like okay, 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:39.440 listen like and there's no way to like type that 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:41.680 out copy for that, so we need to go and 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:46.519 hold up, hold up, all right, hold up? All right. Well, 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:48.559 if you heard that last part, you already know what 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:50.319 the name of the show is. Welcome to hold Up. 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:53.479 It's me Josh Johnson, writer for The Daily Show, with 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:56.880 my partner in conversations that go on way too long, 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:00.960 duel say sloan, and we're gonna be taking it to 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:05.120 to the true edge, the brim of issues that don't 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:08.199 matter at all to anybody but us, and we're gonna 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:10.320 have it out. So you need to know ahead of time. 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:12.880 This is what we do. This is how we talk 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:14.880 to each other anyway, all right, I don't want I 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:19.120 don't want anybody listening in thinking wow, while they're getting heated. 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:21.920 It's not heated. It's just the truth. It's what's happening. 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:24.440 Sometimes when you're right, you have to let people know. 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:30.480 And sometimes those people are some of your good friends. Okay, 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:33.000 because like Josh, how many times and we've been like 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:37.840 I think people would call it arguing, but for us, 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:42.200 it's just a regular conversation discussion the situation. People from 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:45.360 far away definitely think it's arguing because I have a 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:48.240 lot of like we'll get will give me a second 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:51.320 to like, I have a lot of those stunted sentences, 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:53.920 and those always sound like they go in an argument, 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:57.080 when really I'm just trying to think, right, So it's 0:01:57.080 --> 0:01:59.280 just like, okay, so hold on, wait a minute, So 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:01.480 like you have have that thought process, because it's like, 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:03.200 there's so many times I've been talking in the office 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:05.320 and somebody was like, y'all should do this as a podcast. 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:09.760 I'm like, I'm Matt, are you doing this for free? 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:12.200 I'm already getting paid to be at work to talk 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:14.040 to this man. I ain't gonna do it on this 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:17.400 white man's Internet not getting no points for it. So 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:22.560 we out here being Josh talking about things that only 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:25.600 really well, like we care about them, but I think 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:29.040 like people as a whole care about them. I would, 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.320 I would hope. So here's the thing today, We're gonna 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:36.600 be talking about conscious hip hop versus club hits. Which 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:40.480 one is better? And see, I think see we're already 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:43.160 in a place that's wow, because you can't say which 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:48.480 one is better? Right, it's which one do you? No, 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:53.800 you can't listen, It's which one you prefer? Okay, it's like, 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:56.880 which one do you prefer? Because I'm gonna say, because 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:59.800 you have one that you think is like better, and 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:03.120 then I have one that I think is preferable to 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:07.720 listen to. Okay, all right, when we say better, what 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:13.480 are the qualifications for that? Okay, that's a good point, 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:16.760 because my thing is I'm gonna go with conscious hip 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:21.320 hop because one I think I enjoy the journey more 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:27.320 that hat. Okay, Wow. For personal attacks that have nothing 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:29.600 to do with the argument, I love this hat. It 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:32.920 says achieve on the side. It says a chief on 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:35.440 the front, you turn into the side. It says a 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:37.360 chief on the side that I chose to be the 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:42.680 side it's round. Any side could be the side. You 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:45.840 can have it in the bat Absolutely I could, and 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:47.960 the people from the back would be like, who is 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:54.320 that a chief for walking past me? Back to the 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:57.280 topic of hat about. All I've said is that conscious 0:03:57.360 --> 0:03:59.920 hip hop it takes you. It takes you to a 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:03.760 place that helps you digest society as it's happening in 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:06.880 the moment or the past, as as the people living 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:10.280 in it saw it. And club hits. It's just heathenism, 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:13.920 you know, it's just it's just sort of rubbing together. Listen, 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:18.120 as a Christian woman, all right, I don't know what 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:19.600 you believe, and I don't know what God you serve, 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:27.719 but we've never really talked about what faith you have. 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:34.120 Uh so this is the thing. It's I listen to MPR. Okay, 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:37.880 listen to MPR. I get on seeing it. I am 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:43.479 very aware of all of the things that are happening rightly, 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:46.679 This is happening here, this is a problem here. Oh, 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:50.640 we gotta go march again? Right? So is that way? 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:53.799 Is that how you react? You? Oh, we gotta go 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:56.960 march again. I mean we've been marching my mother's we've 0:04:56.960 --> 0:05:00.240 been marching forever. Yeah, we've been margin for that. Feel 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:04.920 like that's obviously just a prerequisite to black fitness. You know. 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:08.080 It's just guys, we gotta get out there, and it 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:10.840 is way over there, so we're gonna be building these calves, 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:13.719 could be fighting the power. The best thing that ever 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:17.400 happened to marching was a sneaker, Yeah, because it would 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:21.280 stop it. That's when sneakers came out. They were like, 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:24.559 who is going to stop these blocks? Listen? Because before 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:26.799 they was out there marching in a straight church shoe. 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:30.120 You try to march church shoes, you really have to 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:32.960 think about how much you care about the thing that 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:36.200 you march it for. Because about after eight steps you're like, hey, 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:39.479 hey listen, could we stay We can still sing? We 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:42.200 can sing and be still. Can everything be a sitting? 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:48.919 Can everything be just sit right now? The city came 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:58.039 from the marches b like like, hey, hey listen, we 0:05:58.120 --> 0:05:59.800 can't make all of us, can't make it all the 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:02.039 way over there, So let's just take over a lunch 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:04.440 counter because they don't less either there anyway, So let's 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:08.040 we'll kill two with one. Let's make it happen. I'll 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:10.159 let you help hit me with the milkshake before I 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:14.080 walk in these church shoes for seven miles. Yeah, because 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:18.720 you know what a milkshake washes off Bunians don't know. No, 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:20.720 I can get a new pressing curl, Okay, I can 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.720 wash the stress. But my feet, on the other hand, 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:30.880 my achilles is going through it. So man, I mean, 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:34.000 I understand why it's such an issue, So sucking up 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:40.520 my c l um. When I'm listening to music. I 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:44.000 don't want to think about all this ship that's wrong 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:48.120 in the world. Okay, I want to stop. I'm here 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:50.560 to listen. I don't want to hear about all the 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:54.520 hardships in your neighborhood and all another nonsense. Okay, I 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:58.320 want to hear about that ship. I don't want to 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:01.080 hear about your local struggle. No, I don't want to 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:06.320 hear about how hard it is in your corner and America. Bro, No, oh, 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:14.080 you robbing where everybody's robbing? Okay, first of allemost ninth, right, Like, oh, 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:16.960 let's go to the Bronx, Like I don't want this 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:21.360 play by play news story of what the funk what's 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:25.280 funked up in your area? Like I'm not I don't 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:27.559 want I don't need that. I don't want that because 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:30.920 I already know. I already know sh it's bad over here. 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:35.040 Ship's bad over here. There's already the misconception that people 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:37.840 think like, oh, well, like the North's not as racist, 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:39.800 which is a lie, and it's like, oh, it's not 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:42.720 as in your face. I'm just like, okay, so yes, 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:44.920 this man not might not have a Confederate flag T 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:46.760 shirt on, but he's still not gonna let you with 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:50.720 this apartment. Who gives a ship? So like, oh, it's 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:53.400 not in your face racism all racism in your face. 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:55.520 If you won't let me live here, it's in my face. 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:57.960 Some goofy bitches in the lobby asking me to prove 0:07:57.960 --> 0:07:59.720 when I live here. I'm like, bitch, I gotta key file. 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:02.280 You touch me, I'm gonna slap you back to like, 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:08.320 we already have the ships. So when I'm listening to 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:11.240 my musica, I don't want to hear that ship. You 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:12.600 know what I want to hear about what I'm listening 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:16.640 to my music call what is that guns hose money? 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:18.680 That's what the fun I want to hear about. I 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:20.880 want to hear what you out here doing is you're 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:23.080 getting these holes and you're taking these drugs. How many 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:26.400 bottles did you pop today? Like, that's what I want 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:28.520 to hear. I want to hear a repetitive beat that 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:31.080 will let me shake something that conscious wrap you can't. 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:32.760 I was like, I always think about this. I was like, 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:36.559 so do they have like conscientious wrap clubs? Like you're 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:39.120 just sitting there thinking with a bunch of other niggas. 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:45.520 You're just sitting thinking. Yeah, he just bobbing back and forth. 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:49.400 It's hard out here. No, bro, I want to shake something. 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:51.920 I'm trying to forget. I'm trying to see how many 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:54.040 men want me to rub my butt on their pelvis. 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:57.720 I don't appreciate that, but see what happens. He could 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:00.480 be a nice man. People are throwing in books that 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:04.040 people putting their clothes on. Right, it's like a sticking 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:06.840 here to jacket or all you aware at jack. Everybody 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:10.200 got to be clothed on this club. So okay, I 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:13.480 don't I want like for me. It's like I don't 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:17.800 want to say like escapism. But it's like I already 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:21.440 know about all of the ship that's bad. I don't 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:23.520 need you. I don't need you to put the news 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:26.520 to a beat. I don't need that, so I will 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:30.160 say this, Okay, So you you have perfectly made your 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:34.199 point and tied me up for mine. Because the guns, 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:38.400 the hose, the money, the butt rubbing, it's it's all. 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:40.959 It's since it's all the same, I can't. I can't 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:43.520 after a while you lose me, you know. But it's 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:45.959 like I want you to rub a butt like this. 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:48.120 I want to rub all your butt like that. It's 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:51.440 just it's it's not only a bit repetitive, but it's 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:55.600 like I can guess the ending of the song, okay, 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:59.720 but in your social conscious rap, I can also guess 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:03.560 the in there because y'all still out here being broke. 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.719 The government still, the cops are still killing us Like 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:08.760 fun the Police is a song that could come out 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:12.760 every single year. Sure, Like we're not like it's the 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:16.600 same thing. We're not learning new ship. Nothing new is happening, 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:20.000 nothing is truly you're still what the what? What the 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:23.800 new topic? Gentrification? What are you talking about now? Dose coin? 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:27.120 Are you trying to fix the hood? Are they that's what? 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:30.199 That's not what's happening in these songs. No one's giving 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:33.240 you like, Hey, we're gonna strategize like no one's the 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:37.320 comments not telling you how to win a local election, 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:42.440 like that's not happening, Like these are that that is 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:45.560 that is good. Then that means that the only thing 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:50.439 missing bridging this gap between us would be a conscious 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:52.880 rap that wasn't about something that happened. It was it's 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:55.600 about a plan. So if you if you heard a 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:58.120 song that was about a plan that was like this 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:01.200 is how we're gonna take all for half of Mississippi, 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:05.319 you would be down for it. You couldn't couldn't bop 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:08.000 to it, but you could you could be like, Okay, 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.400 this is a nice flow and a good plan. I 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:13.040 like this plan. I mean, isn't the goal always to 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:14.920 Bob though, you gotta get if it's not a bot, 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:16.839 people gonna listen to it. So you guys still not 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:19.960 get somebody about here's the thing about Bob's though. People 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:24.240 are now, especially with club hits, people are now forgetting 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:26.200 to even check for the lyrics. You don't know what 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:28.319 you're bopping your head too. You could be bopping. You 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:31.760 could be bopping your head to just pure unadulterated gag 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.360 violence on you. This song could be about beating you 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:36.839 and you're like this thing slaps and then all the 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:39.160 sudden people jump you and you have no idea why 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:43.000 my thing is. I truly understand that the j Coles 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:45.640 of the world you can't you can't really dance to it, 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:49.960 you can't really like like like swing your hips. But 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:52.600 if he can't ride a flow, if he if he 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:55.319 if he can't put something out there that not only 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:57.800 I understand that you don't want to think as much 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:01.960 because this is kind of like how I like, I 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:05.000 think that we're this mirrors our personalities though, because I 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:08.400 very much like documentaries and you very much like Korean dramas. 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:11.520 You know, I love a documentary. The problem is all 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:17.079 the documentaries now about true crime, and I don't want 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:20.680 to see true crime. Also, it's always true crime documentaries 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:23.400 about white people getting murdered, like niggas getting murdered, people 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:25.439 who called it getting murdered, Like y'all ain't trying to 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:28.480 do no cold case of you know a black man 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:32.280 who was incarcerated, uh, and he was an innocent person, 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:35.719 like the Innocence Project. If the Innocence Project became a 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:40.360 production house, they win every oscar can I can I'm 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:43.240 digressing for a second, but this is that you just survived. 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:47.760 To me of this as someone who is seeing real crime, yeah, 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:55.280 this is messed up. But like I wonder what it's 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:57.600 like when you see a crime and then you see 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:00.080 a documentary about that crime. But you're like, man, they 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.640 should have interviewed me. They got it all wrong. Listen, listening, 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:06.959 like what happened. I'm in the shot. I'm in the shot, 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:09.560 and they didn't get me. Listen. I had a neighbor 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:12.079 on gangland one time, and my mother was like, this 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:16.480 is nonsense. This is absolute lies, lies, not this was happening. 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:19.559 Like she was so aggravated because she was just like 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:23.200 they wasn't doing having it ship. So when it came out, 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:24.800 we were like like me and my homeboy, like I 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:27.160 was talking to my homeboy and like in his sister, 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:30.959 it were like was lie yang like the whole time 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:32.440 he was watching it. And then there was some dude 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:34.280 on there who was supposed to be in the gang, 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:37.640 and then nobody knew who he was, so like they 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:39.559 just hired some actor, like they didn't have enough of 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:41.440 the story because this gang wasn't doing what they said 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:44.360 it was doing. Also, you were a gang in the suburbs, 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:48.240 like calm down, like they must have just like I 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:50.480 don't know Gangland that week was just out of gangs. 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:53.319 And I was like, well, we heard about this over 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:55.520 in Gwynette County and I'm just like, hey man, this 0:13:55.679 --> 0:14:01.400 is wild, but um but my mother was like, this 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:03.920 is nonsense. My mother wit. They should have interview with 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:06.240 me and have told him. I was like, the last 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:11.480 thing you need beyond gay Land. The thing that I 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:14.520 love about gay glad type stuff, though, is its a 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:16.880 perfect oportunity to hype up your gags. So you could 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:19.160 be a lot of people don't know we killed JFK. 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:24.040 That was They thought we weren't really out here like that, 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:26.840 but we've been out here okay, and we we got 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:30.760 that man, all right. Could you imagine if like it 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:34.200 was like moo this it was like, yeah, Holmes, we 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:38.160 got JFK. We got okay, all right. At the FBI 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:42.400 was so scared that they covered it up. What if 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:47.880 the crypt what if the crypts just killed I imagine 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:53.760 that they could have done it, but by accident they 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:55.640 just saw dropped top and they were just like, yeah, 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:59.880 that's that fool. You're like, oh that was the president. Dang, 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:03.320 Yeah that that's are bad because he was gonna side 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:05.600 of voter Rice Bill too. He was definitely got a 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:08.640 sign of civil rights sac Fuck, we should ask my questions. 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:18.160 So here's the thing about club hits, all right. The 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:22.280 other thing is that this is this I'm gonna make 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:26.560 this point and you don't even want to make it. 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:30.520 I'm excited to hear your counter though, because I understand 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:37.640 I'm stepping into to precarious waters. So basically, a lot 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:40.240 of the club hit game is so rigged that I 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:43.760 honestly have a hard time respecting it. There are some 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:48.120 like Atlanta is a great example. Atlanta club hits are authentic. 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:51.040 They're like they're like people run up on a DJ 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:53.240 or they have a friend that that can get their 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:55.960 stuff played, and then some people play it. Then they 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:58.520 play it in that club, people follow that person on Instagram, 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:00.520 DJ gives him a shout out, they build up a 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:04.720 real following and everything. But the rest of the game 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:08.960 at large, the broad like brushstrokes of music, it's still 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:12.880 the same like label Paola type thing that we pretend 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:15.800 we aren't still doing from the seventies or whatever. Like like, 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:18.160 it's still very much like Okay, I have the back 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:20.040 end of this person to get me a feature by 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:22.080 this person and get pumped up by this person. So 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:24.360 now all of a sudden, my club hit is is 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:27.400 it's like on fire. But I'm like, if this was 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:29.920 if this had to exist in a vacuum, it would 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:31.600 have never got here. Whereas I feel like a lot 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:34.680 of conscious songs don't really have that problem. It's like 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:37.640 most of the most of the conscious rappers that I 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:42.640 enjoy are only semi famous. They're not like because the 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:47.040 ship is boring, then they's still working office depot because 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:51.320 nobody fucking cares. That's the thing. Like nobody is like 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:53.360 sitting up running them to a club is like, hey, 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:55.000 let me hear this. I don't even know those social 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.520 concious rappers because that's how much I don't care. But 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:01.720 they give me a socially like a real socially conscious rapper, 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:05.720 like a conscious content give him in my name. Okay, 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:09.240 I've heard a no name. Yeah, but no name is not. 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:11.960 No name is not Cardi B. No name is not 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.800 like like she is at a place where I don't 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:18.359 think this should happen, but I think very well she 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:22.080 is going to plateau where she's at because now the 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.879 people that know about her lover talk about her and everything, 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:30.199 but for whatever reason, it doesn't spread even more. Everything 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:33.800 everything hits, everything hits critical masks. At a certain point, 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:38.720 you're just famous, Like there's not new people. Like Brad 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:43.760 Pitt is famous, he's established, right, like Angela Bassett established, 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:48.240 like angel Bassett legit famous. But Loretta Divine is not 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:52.879 as famous as angel Bassett. But Loretta Divine, Like it's crazy. 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:54.920 Like I feel like sometimes like certain people are like 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:58.840 black famous, Like a lot of time when I'm in 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:00.560 the shade room, They'll be talking abou like who the 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:03.880 funk is this? Who the fund is that? Like there's 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:05.320 so many people that talk about in the shade. I'm like, 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:07.119 I don't know who any of these motherfucker's are, but 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:10.359 I should know so. But I think the other thing 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:12.359 that I think about, like when it comes like socially 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:15.840 like conscious rap or like stuff like that, is like 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:19.840 like when I think about, like first like the number 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:25.600 of when I look at like the number of white 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:27.440 people that try to like talk to me about like 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:30.439 rap like music. If it's if it's a white girl, 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:32.280 she's asking me if I know who Lizzo is? When 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:34.480 I'm just like, well, first of all, I'm not Lizzo, 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:39.399 so leave me alone. Uh second, beat it, lady, Like 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:42.280 I get it, go away, stop talking. You're not going 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:45.320 to connect with me on this Okay, talking to a 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:49.320 little way and you goofy, lady. But when I look 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:51.600 at like, what do think the number of white people 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:53.119 that are like, well, I'm really in an old school 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:55.600 hip hop? But I'm like really, because we're done with it. 0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:59.879 That's why we call it old school hip hop. Like 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:01.800 it's not because like if you think about like hip 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:05.600 hop back like because the style changes so much, because 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:10.280 at first it was all conscious, right, sure, and then 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:13.240 there was a break like a whole you know, like 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:16.320 a Protestant Catholic situation where which is like we're all 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:18.840 doing the same thing. And then there was a break 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:20.960 where it was just like I just want to have fun. 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:24.240 I just want to I just want to go out, 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:26.800 I want to dance, and that is it. Because I 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:31.920 am very aware of like who consumes what. So it's 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:34.119 interesting that people are like, well because they try to 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:36.359 act like that. You know, Black people don't contribute to 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:40.280 the American economy whatsoever, which is wild because we are 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:43.879 some of the biggest consumers. But when it comes to 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:46.080 like when I talk to my next like it's conscious 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:49.160 rap music, the people who are talking to me about 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:51.800 conscious rap music a lot of times are white people. 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:57.760 So it's like they're getting new information because like as 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:02.840 black people, because we're not the dominant culture. Because where 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:06.639 minorities in this country quote unquote, we have to know 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:11.000 all of the white things, but white people aren't required 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:16.040 to know the black things. So they're listening and he's like, 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:18.000 oh my god, I didn't know that this was such 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:20.760 a problem. I'm like, what do y'all do all day? 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:24.399 What do you do? Like? How do you not know 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:30.120 that there are issues and other community? Like It's that's 0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:32.040 the thing that's always been wild to me where it's 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:34.439 just like I just I just wasn't. I mean, are 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:39.879 y'all really shut? Like you're a are you sure? Like 0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:43.120 when I like if I interacting with him, like I've 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:44.920 had a dude like be aggressive to me and like 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:47.800 rude to me on set and then I had someone 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:50.840 say to me, well, is that your perception of it? 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:53.680 And I just went, I don't know. I don't need that, 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:57.480 yeah at all. I don't need you to second guess 0:20:57.520 --> 0:20:59.720 what I'm doing. What I need you to do is 0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:04.240 don't know what I'm saying and fucking fix it. That's 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:06.800 what I need you to do. So in those situations 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:08.520 where it's just like people just second guessing, like what 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:12.800 you're saying and what your experiences, I think a lot 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:14.600 of times when it comes to stuff like this, it's 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:16.640 just people going, well, I didn't know they were going 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:18.560 through so much, So they're like catching up on news 0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:25.080 that happened twenty years ago because because it's like now, 0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:30.480 like as I was saying before, it's we're gonna dance 0:21:30.520 --> 0:21:32.480 for everyone and shake forever. Like I feel like that's 0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:35.040 why sometimes like on a bunch of black people laughing 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:41.600 bothers white people so much because no matter they've done 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:44.239 all of these things for all, Like we've literally been 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:48.080 in America for like four hundred and two years, and 0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:51.000 it's gotten better than it was before because before we 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:54.040 were stolen and brought here answers were someone brought here 0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:58.520 its property. So it's better than it was before, but 0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:01.359 we're still dealing with things that we've been dealing with 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:05.680 since Jim Crow, Like Jim Crow ended on paper. But 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:09.440 now it's like we desegregated schools, and now they've resegregated schools, 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:12.040 but they've done it so slowly. You just look up 0:22:12.040 --> 0:22:17.200 and you're held damn, you know, white getting the school 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:21.199 what they got us again. So when I look at 0:22:21.240 --> 0:22:24.400 stuff like that, it's like we are what are we doing? 0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:28.040 Because there's still gonna be the break happened for a reason, 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:31.720 like the like the split happened for a reason. Because 0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:32.960 it just gets to the point where you're just like 0:22:33.680 --> 0:22:37.840