Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to hold Up. I have now realized
Speaker 1: that a podcast hosted by two black people called hold up.
Speaker 1: It's a problem. It's a problem, but we already named it.
Speaker 1: This is this is five we can't do. First Okay,
Speaker 1: first of all, it might be better because it's like,
Speaker 1: this is a hold up, Like I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I hear. I feel I feel like hold up works though.
Speaker 1: I think it gives people's attention. Man hold up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like or it can only be called like okay,
Speaker 1: listen like and there's no way to like type that
Speaker 1: out copy for that, so we need to go and
Speaker 1: hold up, hold up, all right, hold up? All right. Well,
Speaker 1: if you heard that last part, you already know what
Speaker 1: the name of the show is. Welcome to hold Up.
Speaker 1: It's me Josh Johnson, writer for The Daily Show, with
Speaker 1: my partner in conversations that go on way too long,
Speaker 1: duel say sloan, and we're gonna be taking it to
Speaker 1: to the true edge, the brim of issues that don't
Speaker 1: matter at all to anybody but us, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: have it out. So you need to know ahead of time.
Speaker 1: This is what we do. This is how we talk
Speaker 1: to each other anyway, all right, I don't want I
Speaker 1: don't want anybody listening in thinking wow, while they're getting heated.
Speaker 1: It's not heated. It's just the truth. It's what's happening.
Speaker 1: Sometimes when you're right, you have to let people know.
Speaker 1: And sometimes those people are some of your good friends. Okay,
Speaker 1: because like Josh, how many times and we've been like
Speaker 1: I think people would call it arguing, but for us,
Speaker 1: it's just a regular conversation discussion the situation. People from
Speaker 1: far away definitely think it's arguing because I have a
Speaker 1: lot of like we'll get will give me a second
Speaker 1: to like, I have a lot of those stunted sentences,
Speaker 1: and those always sound like they go in an argument,
Speaker 1: when really I'm just trying to think, right, So it's
Speaker 1: just like, okay, so hold on, wait a minute, So
Speaker 1: like you have have that thought process, because it's like,
Speaker 1: there's so many times I've been talking in the office
Speaker 1: and somebody was like, y'all should do this as a podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm Matt, are you doing this for free?
Speaker 1: I'm already getting paid to be at work to talk
Speaker 1: to this man. I ain't gonna do it on this
Speaker 1: white man's Internet not getting no points for it. So
Speaker 1: we out here being Josh talking about things that only
Speaker 1: really well, like we care about them, but I think
Speaker 1: like people as a whole care about them. I would,
Speaker 1: I would hope. So here's the thing today, We're gonna
Speaker 1: be talking about conscious hip hop versus club hits. Which
Speaker 1: one is better? And see, I think see we're already
Speaker 1: in a place that's wow, because you can't say which
Speaker 1: one is better? Right, it's which one do you? No,
Speaker 1: you can't listen, It's which one you prefer? Okay, it's like,
Speaker 1: which one do you prefer? Because I'm gonna say, because
Speaker 1: you have one that you think is like better, and
Speaker 1: then I have one that I think is preferable to
Speaker 1: listen to. Okay, all right, when we say better, what
Speaker 1: are the qualifications for that? Okay, that's a good point,
Speaker 1: because my thing is I'm gonna go with conscious hip
Speaker 1: hop because one I think I enjoy the journey more
Speaker 1: that hat. Okay, Wow. For personal attacks that have nothing
Speaker 1: to do with the argument, I love this hat. It
Speaker 1: says achieve on the side. It says a chief on
Speaker 1: the front, you turn into the side. It says a
Speaker 1: chief on the side that I chose to be the
Speaker 1: side it's round. Any side could be the side. You
Speaker 1: can have it in the bat Absolutely I could, and
Speaker 1: the people from the back would be like, who is
Speaker 1: that a chief for walking past me? Back to the
Speaker 1: topic of hat about. All I've said is that conscious
Speaker 1: hip hop it takes you. It takes you to a
Speaker 1: place that helps you digest society as it's happening in
Speaker 1: the moment or the past, as as the people living
Speaker 1: in it saw it. And club hits. It's just heathenism,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just it's just sort of rubbing together. Listen,
Speaker 1: as a Christian woman, all right, I don't know what
Speaker 1: you believe, and I don't know what God you serve,
Speaker 1: but we've never really talked about what faith you have.
Speaker 1: Uh so this is the thing. It's I listen to MPR. Okay,
Speaker 1: listen to MPR. I get on seeing it. I am
Speaker 1: very aware of all of the things that are happening rightly,
Speaker 1: This is happening here, this is a problem here. Oh,
Speaker 1: we gotta go march again? Right? So is that way?
Speaker 1: Is that how you react? You? Oh, we gotta go
Speaker 1: march again. I mean we've been marching my mother's we've
Speaker 1: been marching forever. Yeah, we've been margin for that. Feel
Speaker 1: like that's obviously just a prerequisite to black fitness. You know.
Speaker 1: It's just guys, we gotta get out there, and it
Speaker 1: is way over there, so we're gonna be building these calves,
Speaker 1: could be fighting the power. The best thing that ever
Speaker 1: happened to marching was a sneaker, Yeah, because it would
Speaker 1: stop it. That's when sneakers came out. They were like,
Speaker 1: who is going to stop these blocks? Listen? Because before
Speaker 1: they was out there marching in a straight church shoe.
Speaker 1: You try to march church shoes, you really have to
Speaker 1: think about how much you care about the thing that
Speaker 1: you march it for. Because about after eight steps you're like, hey,
Speaker 1: hey listen, could we stay We can still sing? We
Speaker 1: can sing and be still. Can everything be a sitting?
Speaker 1: Can everything be just sit right now? The city came
Speaker 1: from the marches b like like, hey, hey listen, we
Speaker 1: can't make all of us, can't make it all the
Speaker 1: way over there, So let's just take over a lunch
Speaker 1: counter because they don't less either there anyway, So let's
Speaker 1: we'll kill two with one. Let's make it happen. I'll
Speaker 1: let you help hit me with the milkshake before I
Speaker 1: walk in these church shoes for seven miles. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: you know what a milkshake washes off Bunians don't know. No,
Speaker 1: I can get a new pressing curl, Okay, I can
Speaker 1: wash the stress. But my feet, on the other hand,
Speaker 1: my achilles is going through it. So man, I mean,
Speaker 1: I understand why it's such an issue, So sucking up
Speaker 1: my c l um. When I'm listening to music. I
Speaker 1: don't want to think about all this ship that's wrong
Speaker 1: in the world. Okay, I want to stop. I'm here
Speaker 1: to listen. I don't want to hear about all the
Speaker 1: hardships in your neighborhood and all another nonsense. Okay, I
Speaker 1: want to hear about that ship. I don't want to
Speaker 1: hear about your local struggle. No, I don't want to
Speaker 1: hear about how hard it is in your corner and America. Bro, No, oh,
Speaker 1: you robbing where everybody's robbing? Okay, first of allemost ninth, right, Like, oh,
Speaker 1: let's go to the Bronx, Like I don't want this
Speaker 1: play by play news story of what the funk what's
Speaker 1: funked up in your area? Like I'm not I don't
Speaker 1: want I don't need that. I don't want that because
Speaker 1: I already know. I already know sh it's bad over here.
Speaker 1: Ship's bad over here. There's already the misconception that people
Speaker 1: think like, oh, well, like the North's not as racist,
Speaker 1: which is a lie, and it's like, oh, it's not
Speaker 1: as in your face. I'm just like, okay, so yes,
Speaker 1: this man not might not have a Confederate flag T
Speaker 1: shirt on, but he's still not gonna let you with
Speaker 1: this apartment. Who gives a ship? So like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: not in your face racism all racism in your face.
Speaker 1: If you won't let me live here, it's in my face.
Speaker 1: Some goofy bitches in the lobby asking me to prove
Speaker 1: when I live here. I'm like, bitch, I gotta key file.
Speaker 1: You touch me, I'm gonna slap you back to like,
Speaker 1: we already have the ships. So when I'm listening to
Speaker 1: my musica, I don't want to hear that ship. You
Speaker 1: know what I want to hear about what I'm listening
Speaker 1: to my music call what is that guns hose money?
Speaker 1: That's what the fun I want to hear about. I
Speaker 1: want to hear what you out here doing is you're
Speaker 1: getting these holes and you're taking these drugs. How many
Speaker 1: bottles did you pop today? Like, that's what I want
Speaker 1: to hear. I want to hear a repetitive beat that
Speaker 1: will let me shake something that conscious wrap you can't.
Speaker 1: I was like, I always think about this. I was like,
Speaker 1: so do they have like conscientious wrap clubs? Like you're
Speaker 1: just sitting there thinking with a bunch of other niggas.
Speaker 1: You're just sitting thinking. Yeah, he just bobbing back and forth.
Speaker 1: It's hard out here. No, bro, I want to shake something.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to forget. I'm trying to see how many
Speaker 1: men want me to rub my butt on their pelvis.
Speaker 1: I don't appreciate that, but see what happens. He could
Speaker 1: be a nice man. People are throwing in books that
Speaker 1: people putting their clothes on. Right, it's like a sticking
Speaker 1: here to jacket or all you aware at jack. Everybody
Speaker 1: got to be clothed on this club. So okay, I
Speaker 1: don't I want like for me. It's like I don't
Speaker 1: want to say like escapism. But it's like I already
Speaker 1: know about all of the ship that's bad. I don't
Speaker 1: need you. I don't need you to put the news
Speaker 1: to a beat. I don't need that, so I will
Speaker 1: say this, Okay, So you you have perfectly made your
Speaker 1: point and tied me up for mine. Because the guns,
Speaker 1: the hose, the money, the butt rubbing, it's it's all.
Speaker 1: It's since it's all the same, I can't. I can't
Speaker 1: after a while you lose me, you know. But it's
Speaker 1: like I want you to rub a butt like this.
Speaker 1: I want to rub all your butt like that. It's
Speaker 1: just it's it's not only a bit repetitive, but it's
Speaker 1: like I can guess the ending of the song, okay,
Speaker 1: but in your social conscious rap, I can also guess
Speaker 1: the in there because y'all still out here being broke.
Speaker 1: The government still, the cops are still killing us Like
Speaker 1: fun the Police is a song that could come out
Speaker 1: every single year. Sure, Like we're not like it's the
Speaker 1: same thing. We're not learning new ship. Nothing new is happening,
Speaker 1: nothing is truly you're still what the what? What the
Speaker 1: new topic? Gentrification? What are you talking about now? Dose coin?
Speaker 1: Are you trying to fix the hood? Are they that's what?
Speaker 1: That's not what's happening in these songs. No one's giving
Speaker 1: you like, Hey, we're gonna strategize like no one's the
Speaker 1: comments not telling you how to win a local election,
Speaker 1: like that's not happening, Like these are that that is
Speaker 1: that is good. Then that means that the only thing
Speaker 1: missing bridging this gap between us would be a conscious
Speaker 1: rap that wasn't about something that happened. It was it's
Speaker 1: about a plan. So if you if you heard a
Speaker 1: song that was about a plan that was like this
Speaker 1: is how we're gonna take all for half of Mississippi,
Speaker 1: you would be down for it. You couldn't couldn't bop
Speaker 1: to it, but you could you could be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is a nice flow and a good plan. I
Speaker 1: like this plan. I mean, isn't the goal always to
Speaker 1: Bob though, you gotta get if it's not a bot,
Speaker 1: people gonna listen to it. So you guys still not
Speaker 1: get somebody about here's the thing about Bob's though. People
Speaker 1: are now, especially with club hits, people are now forgetting
Speaker 1: to even check for the lyrics. You don't know what
Speaker 1: you're bopping your head too. You could be bopping. You
Speaker 1: could be bopping your head to just pure unadulterated gag
Speaker 1: violence on you. This song could be about beating you
Speaker 1: and you're like this thing slaps and then all the
Speaker 1: sudden people jump you and you have no idea why
Speaker 1: my thing is. I truly understand that the j Coles
Speaker 1: of the world you can't you can't really dance to it,
Speaker 1: you can't really like like like swing your hips. But
Speaker 1: if he can't ride a flow, if he if he
Speaker 1: if he can't put something out there that not only
Speaker 1: I understand that you don't want to think as much
Speaker 1: because this is kind of like how I like, I
Speaker 1: think that we're this mirrors our personalities though, because I
Speaker 1: very much like documentaries and you very much like Korean dramas.
Speaker 1: You know, I love a documentary. The problem is all
Speaker 1: the documentaries now about true crime, and I don't want
Speaker 1: to see true crime. Also, it's always true crime documentaries
Speaker 1: about white people getting murdered, like niggas getting murdered, people
Speaker 1: who called it getting murdered, Like y'all ain't trying to
Speaker 1: do no cold case of you know a black man
Speaker 1: who was incarcerated, uh, and he was an innocent person,
Speaker 1: like the Innocence Project. If the Innocence Project became a
Speaker 1: production house, they win every oscar can I can I'm
Speaker 1: digressing for a second, but this is that you just survived.
Speaker 1: To me of this as someone who is seeing real crime, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is messed up. But like I wonder what it's
Speaker 1: like when you see a crime and then you see
Speaker 1: a documentary about that crime. But you're like, man, they
Speaker 1: should have interviewed me. They got it all wrong. Listen, listening,
Speaker 1: like what happened. I'm in the shot. I'm in the shot,
Speaker 1: and they didn't get me. Listen. I had a neighbor
Speaker 1: on gangland one time, and my mother was like, this
Speaker 1: is nonsense. This is absolute lies, lies, not this was happening.
Speaker 1: Like she was so aggravated because she was just like
Speaker 1: they wasn't doing having it ship. So when it came out,
Speaker 1: we were like like me and my homeboy, like I
Speaker 1: was talking to my homeboy and like in his sister,
Speaker 1: it were like was lie yang like the whole time
Speaker 1: he was watching it. And then there was some dude
Speaker 1: on there who was supposed to be in the gang,
Speaker 1: and then nobody knew who he was, so like they
Speaker 1: just hired some actor, like they didn't have enough of
Speaker 1: the story because this gang wasn't doing what they said
Speaker 1: it was doing. Also, you were a gang in the suburbs,
Speaker 1: like calm down, like they must have just like I
Speaker 1: don't know Gangland that week was just out of gangs.
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, we heard about this over
Speaker 1: in Gwynette County and I'm just like, hey man, this
Speaker 1: is wild, but um but my mother was like, this
Speaker 1: is nonsense. My mother wit. They should have interview with
Speaker 1: me and have told him. I was like, the last
Speaker 1: thing you need beyond gay Land. The thing that I
Speaker 1: love about gay glad type stuff, though, is its a
Speaker 1: perfect oportunity to hype up your gags. So you could
Speaker 1: be a lot of people don't know we killed JFK.
Speaker 1: That was They thought we weren't really out here like that,
Speaker 1: but we've been out here okay, and we we got
Speaker 1: that man, all right. Could you imagine if like it
Speaker 1: was like moo this it was like, yeah, Holmes, we
Speaker 1: got JFK. We got okay, all right. At the FBI
Speaker 1: was so scared that they covered it up. What if
Speaker 1: the crypt what if the crypts just killed I imagine
Speaker 1: that they could have done it, but by accident they
Speaker 1: just saw dropped top and they were just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that fool. You're like, oh that was the president. Dang,
Speaker 1: Yeah that that's are bad because he was gonna side
Speaker 1: of voter Rice Bill too. He was definitely got a
Speaker 1: sign of civil rights sac Fuck, we should ask my questions.
Speaker 1: So here's the thing about club hits, all right. The
Speaker 1: other thing is that this is this I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: this point and you don't even want to make it.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to hear your counter though, because I understand
Speaker 1: I'm stepping into to precarious waters. So basically, a lot
Speaker 1: of the club hit game is so rigged that I
Speaker 1: honestly have a hard time respecting it. There are some
Speaker 1: like Atlanta is a great example. Atlanta club hits are authentic.
Speaker 1: They're like they're like people run up on a DJ
Speaker 1: or they have a friend that that can get their
Speaker 1: stuff played, and then some people play it. Then they
Speaker 1: play it in that club, people follow that person on Instagram,
Speaker 1: DJ gives him a shout out, they build up a
Speaker 1: real following and everything. But the rest of the game
Speaker 1: at large, the broad like brushstrokes of music, it's still
Speaker 1: the same like label Paola type thing that we pretend
Speaker 1: we aren't still doing from the seventies or whatever. Like like,
Speaker 1: it's still very much like Okay, I have the back
Speaker 1: end of this person to get me a feature by
Speaker 1: this person and get pumped up by this person. So
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, my club hit is is
Speaker 1: it's like on fire. But I'm like, if this was
Speaker 1: if this had to exist in a vacuum, it would
Speaker 1: have never got here. Whereas I feel like a lot
Speaker 1: of conscious songs don't really have that problem. It's like
Speaker 1: most of the most of the conscious rappers that I
Speaker 1: enjoy are only semi famous. They're not like because the
Speaker 1: ship is boring, then they's still working office depot because
Speaker 1: nobody fucking cares. That's the thing. Like nobody is like
Speaker 1: sitting up running them to a club is like, hey,
Speaker 1: let me hear this. I don't even know those social
Speaker 1: concious rappers because that's how much I don't care. But
Speaker 1: they give me a socially like a real socially conscious rapper,
Speaker 1: like a conscious content give him in my name. Okay,
Speaker 1: I've heard a no name. Yeah, but no name is not.
Speaker 1: No name is not Cardi B. No name is not
Speaker 1: like like she is at a place where I don't
Speaker 1: think this should happen, but I think very well she
Speaker 1: is going to plateau where she's at because now the
Speaker 1: people that know about her lover talk about her and everything,
Speaker 1: but for whatever reason, it doesn't spread even more. Everything
Speaker 1: everything hits, everything hits critical masks. At a certain point,
Speaker 1: you're just famous, Like there's not new people. Like Brad
Speaker 1: Pitt is famous, he's established, right, like Angela Bassett established,
Speaker 1: like angel Bassett legit famous. But Loretta Divine is not
Speaker 1: as famous as angel Bassett. But Loretta Divine, Like it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Like I feel like sometimes like certain people are like
Speaker 1: black famous, Like a lot of time when I'm in
Speaker 1: the shade room, They'll be talking abou like who the
Speaker 1: funk is this? Who the fund is that? Like there's
Speaker 1: so many people that talk about in the shade. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know who any of these motherfucker's are, but
Speaker 1: I should know so. But I think the other thing
Speaker 1: that I think about, like when it comes like socially
Speaker 1: like conscious rap or like stuff like that, is like
Speaker 1: like when I think about, like first like the number
Speaker 1: of when I look at like the number of white
Speaker 1: people that try to like talk to me about like
Speaker 1: rap like music. If it's if it's a white girl,
Speaker 1: she's asking me if I know who Lizzo is? When
Speaker 1: I'm just like, well, first of all, I'm not Lizzo,
Speaker 1: so leave me alone. Uh second, beat it, lady, Like
Speaker 1: I get it, go away, stop talking. You're not going
Speaker 1: to connect with me on this Okay, talking to a
Speaker 1: little way and you goofy, lady. But when I look
Speaker 1: at like, what do think the number of white people
Speaker 1: that are like, well, I'm really in an old school
Speaker 1: hip hop? But I'm like really, because we're done with it.
Speaker 1: That's why we call it old school hip hop. Like
Speaker 1: it's not because like if you think about like hip
Speaker 1: hop back like because the style changes so much, because
Speaker 1: at first it was all conscious, right, sure, and then
Speaker 1: there was a break like a whole you know, like
Speaker 1: a Protestant Catholic situation where which is like we're all
Speaker 1: doing the same thing. And then there was a break
Speaker 1: where it was just like I just want to have fun.
Speaker 1: I just want to I just want to go out,
Speaker 1: I want to dance, and that is it. Because I
Speaker 1: am very aware of like who consumes what. So it's
Speaker 1: interesting that people are like, well because they try to
Speaker 1: act like that. You know, Black people don't contribute to
Speaker 1: the American economy whatsoever, which is wild because we are
Speaker 1: some of the biggest consumers. But when it comes to
Speaker 1: like when I talk to my next like it's conscious
Speaker 1: rap music, the people who are talking to me about
Speaker 1: conscious rap music a lot of times are white people.
Speaker 1: So it's like they're getting new information because like as
Speaker 1: black people, because we're not the dominant culture. Because where
Speaker 1: minorities in this country quote unquote, we have to know
Speaker 1: all of the white things, but white people aren't required
Speaker 1: to know the black things. So they're listening and he's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I didn't know that this was such
Speaker 1: a problem. I'm like, what do y'all do all day?
Speaker 1: What do you do? Like? How do you not know
Speaker 1: that there are issues and other community? Like It's that's
Speaker 1: the thing that's always been wild to me where it's
Speaker 1: just like I just I just wasn't. I mean, are
Speaker 1: y'all really shut? Like you're a are you sure? Like
Speaker 1: when I like if I interacting with him, like I've
Speaker 1: had a dude like be aggressive to me and like
Speaker 1: rude to me on set and then I had someone
Speaker 1: say to me, well, is that your perception of it?
Speaker 1: And I just went, I don't know. I don't need that,
Speaker 1: yeah at all. I don't need you to second guess
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. What I need you to do is
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm saying and fucking fix it. That's
Speaker 1: what I need you to do. So in those situations
Speaker 1: where it's just like people just second guessing, like what
Speaker 1: you're saying and what your experiences, I think a lot
Speaker 1: of times when it comes to stuff like this, it's
Speaker 1: just people going, well, I didn't know they were going
Speaker 1: through so much, So they're like catching up on news
Speaker 1: that happened twenty years ago because because it's like now,
Speaker 1: like as I was saying before, it's we're gonna dance
Speaker 1: for everyone and shake forever. Like I feel like that's
Speaker 1: why sometimes like on a bunch of black people laughing
Speaker 1: bothers white people so much because no matter they've done
Speaker 1: all of these things for all, Like we've literally been
Speaker 1: in America for like four hundred and two years, and
Speaker 1: it's gotten better than it was before because before we
Speaker 1: were stolen and brought here answers were someone brought here
Speaker 1: its property. So it's better than it was before, but
Speaker 1: we're still dealing with things that we've been dealing with
Speaker 1: since Jim Crow, Like Jim Crow ended on paper. But
Speaker 1: now it's like we desegregated schools, and now they've resegregated schools,
Speaker 1: but they've done it so slowly. You just look up
Speaker 1: and you're held damn, you know, white getting the school
Speaker 1: what they got us again. So when I look at
Speaker 1: stuff like that, it's like we are what are we doing?
Speaker 1: Because there's still gonna be the break happened for a reason,
Speaker 1: like the like the split happened for a reason. Because
Speaker 1: it just gets to the point where you're just like
Speaker 1: every time I turn on a record, I can't hear
Speaker 1: about this ship because it's like, is their conscious R
Speaker 1: and B? Or is that just neo soul music? I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: he might be alone in that right, Or they're just
Speaker 1: spoken word. Also spoken word, it's just poetry. What are
Speaker 1: we talking? It's just poetry. It's low key rapping, Like
Speaker 1: what are we talking out right now? But I do
Speaker 1: feel like spoken word is for conscious rappers who have
Speaker 1: trouble staying on beat. You know, they're like, I just
Speaker 1: gotta go with you know, my guy giving gifts. Let
Speaker 1: me be the beat. There's like that that basis throwing
Speaker 1: me off. Let me just do my thing, because it's
Speaker 1: I mean, I've never seen a spoken word poem that
Speaker 1: I thought was like, oh, this should like I felt
Speaker 1: before that some of them should be songs. But then
Speaker 1: I was like, no, there's no beat to like like
Speaker 1: his top end and his back end or like completely.
Speaker 1: So I guess if he had a beat switch, he
Speaker 1: could make it work with both. But that's saying that
Speaker 1: seems too hard now. But they're all doing But the
Speaker 1: thing is, they're all doing the same. It's like like,
Speaker 1: have ever been in like a salsa club. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: so it's basically the same song all night. It kind
Speaker 1: of is. But some people like so I don't know,
Speaker 1: if you watch any spoken word, I used to one
Speaker 1: of them slut not, and two things happened. There was
Speaker 1: a big schism in spoken word where some of them
Speaker 1: stayed with like that like bongo beat type and my
Speaker 1: brother like that that, and then other ones really did
Speaker 1: start like almost rapping, but they would just go so
Speaker 1: fast until they were out of breath, and you would
Speaker 1: actually hear them go like it was like you could
Speaker 1: hear them gas because they were just like streamlining the
Speaker 1: whole poem. And my brother, I'm trying to tell you
Speaker 1: that it's like you're not twisted. Just tell me the words. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and both of them I couldn't go to a beat.
Speaker 1: They stopped doing the Okay, so this is they stopped
Speaker 1: doing the fast thing because it made no sense. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I wish. But in Chicago, I went to an open
Speaker 1: mic night a couple of times, Like as I was
Speaker 1: getting it to stand, it was a mixed open mic.
Speaker 1: It was like stand up a little bit of everything.
Speaker 1: There was this guy that would do spoken word, and
Speaker 1: the first two times he the first two times he
Speaker 1: brought bogos, but even he could tell he could keep
Speaker 1: up with what his hands were doing. So then the
Speaker 1: next two times I saw me didn't have any He
Speaker 1: just left him at home. I mean, you have to
Speaker 1: realize because it's like they're kind of beat Nick thing
Speaker 1: from the fit. Like it's funny because like the only
Speaker 1: people like certain people still swing dance and then like
Speaker 1: this beat nick like the rockabilly kind of vibe that
Speaker 1: some people still funk with, and then like the fifties
Speaker 1: was such an amazing time. Um, it's kind of rough
Speaker 1: for everybody. Basically, uh, it's like black people went, yeah
Speaker 1: that beat Nick ship will keep it and then just
Speaker 1: turning the spoken word because okay, so where does Kendrick
Speaker 1: Lamar fall on this He I think he falls in
Speaker 1: conscious because of the the Damn Album and the Pulitzer,
Speaker 1: Like he was already like Section eight and to Pimp
Speaker 1: a Butterfly all that stuff like that, those weren't really
Speaker 1: He did kind of bridge a little bit because he
Speaker 1: had songs like Um, he had songs like I he had,
Speaker 1: he had songs like like d n A. He had
Speaker 1: things that people like Bob two in a in a
Speaker 1: way that was not like club dancing, but it was
Speaker 1: like they were really rocking with it and everything. So
Speaker 1: he's sort of like an outlier of a lot of
Speaker 1: these other people because but like if you played be
Speaker 1: Humble in a club, it would Bob like people would
Speaker 1: dance to that. So he kind of found a way
Speaker 1: to like bridget I am not what what blasphemy? What
Speaker 1: do you go ahead and say what you're gonna say?
Speaker 1: Be cause I'm already upset. Go ahead, And I do
Speaker 1: enjoy his music. But what I will say is that
Speaker 1: I'm not a huge kinds look Lamar fan, because I
Speaker 1: think he sounds like a muppet. So you could have
Speaker 1: stopped at not a huge fan. See this is this
Speaker 1: is what you do. This is this is your whole vibe.
Speaker 1: You like to put your foot on the line and
Speaker 1: make sure your toe is over it like tin toe
Speaker 1: is down. Baby? Why why would why would you even
Speaker 1: need to include that. I can respect you not being
Speaker 1: a huge fan. I'm just saying I figured but when
Speaker 1: you say you're not a big like when you say
Speaker 1: you're like people like people want quantifiers, Well why well
Speaker 1: what is it? And my reason is his voice sounds
Speaker 1: like it's being done by Jim Hinson. That's my It's
Speaker 1: like a Frank Oz kind of like just Sesame Street
Speaker 1: Muppets take Manhattan more like a muppet and Sesame Street
Speaker 1: way more muppet. What you So, here's the thing. First
Speaker 1: of all, you all those people don't think. Second, the
Speaker 1: qualifier doesn't make it better. The quality, Like the qualifier
Speaker 1: is only gonna take what you're doing right now, which
Speaker 1: is taking a Kidrick mar Fan and coming to you
Speaker 1: actually had Cobba growl and then you decided to jack
Speaker 1: hammer it. You had like I was like, hey, you're
Speaker 1: not a huge I could live with that, and then
Speaker 1: you were like, let me throw in a couple of things.
Speaker 1: I like what he's saying. I just don't like I can.
Speaker 1: I can say this. I'm very into people's voices, right,
Speaker 1: so that is important for me, Like I listened to
Speaker 1: like the quality, the timber of someone's the musicality of
Speaker 1: someone's voice. Right. So to me, if you sound like
Speaker 1: you should be standing next to Gonzo, I'm not. I'm
Speaker 1: not really gonna be, so I will. I will ask
Speaker 1: you this question about club hits in general. I understand
Speaker 1: what you're saying about the consciousness sometimes being a bit
Speaker 1: too much. But here's the thing. I there there's two
Speaker 1: points that I basically want to try to make simultaneously.
Speaker 1: So address whichever one of them first, that you that
Speaker 1: you feel these Addressing one, I would make conscious socially
Speaker 1: conscious rap only a part of the pie of what
Speaker 1: I feel like conscious rap is. Sometimes I think conscious
Speaker 1: rap is just all outright lyricism, like like outright saying anything,
Speaker 1: because because I understand the socially conscious stuff is is
Speaker 1: exhausting to a to a degree, especially when you live
Speaker 1: in and you know, being at the Daily Show, we
Speaker 1: have to read about it and like in it. So
Speaker 1: I understand needing a break and not being like I
Speaker 1: want to reminder of what I left when I go home.
Speaker 1: But I think that when you take the time to
Speaker 1: put in incredible alliteration and like all of these aspects
Speaker 1: of poetry into your lyrics, I I personally, only me
Speaker 1: personally also put that in a conscious vibe because I'm
Speaker 1: so you think there aren't club rappers that are writing
Speaker 1: good lyrics. I think that there are some, But I
Speaker 1: think that overall the same way that you told me
Speaker 1: that like a at a certain point, we we get it.
Speaker 1: I think that that's how I feel about a lot
Speaker 1: of club hits because I'm like, here are all the
Speaker 1: things that I at least because because of who I am,
Speaker 1: Because I'm like, you know, you know me, but if
Speaker 1: if you're listening, you might not. I'm like a nerd.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like a pretty Uh would you would?
Speaker 1: What would you call it? I'm like, you got that
Speaker 1: book learning person, you know, yeah, you got the book
Speaker 1: learning you real chill um. I mean I don't have
Speaker 1: this much with the club themes. So that that's why
Speaker 1: I'm That's what knocks me out of it, because I'm
Speaker 1: just like, well, I don't drink um, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: more of a relationship person. I don't I can't do
Speaker 1: the the the mushon together strangers. You know, I have
Speaker 1: to I have to know a person. So a lot
Speaker 1: of that, a lot of that stuff is out for me.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not in the harlot out here just
Speaker 1: rubbing up against any man anytime, dicking jamal ud say
Speaker 1: that was that was it at all? I'm sorry. That's
Speaker 1: what knocks me out. I'm not talking, I hear you.
Speaker 1: I mean it's like, you know, sometimes you know, some
Speaker 1: man starts rubbing on you and you're like, okay, start
Speaker 1: get off me. You feel broke? Beat it? Um wait
Speaker 1: wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
Speaker 1: wait wait wait wait wait wait wait. Sorry to digress again,
Speaker 1: but how does somebody dance broke? How does somebody dance
Speaker 1: behind you broke? It's a feeling, It's it's a vibe,
Speaker 1: it's a it's just a it's just a knowing. Like
Speaker 1: I've only probably been in a relationship like one really
Speaker 1: good man and he was a convicted felon, so, which
Speaker 1: is neither here nor there. So just like the American
Speaker 1: justice system hates us, uh, But like, for instance, I
Speaker 1: can spot a trash ass dude from fifty paces. I
Speaker 1: could feel him right, just like I always know when
Speaker 1: I see a theater kid. You always know, like within
Speaker 1: five seconds of talking to somebody, Like when people are
Speaker 1: like I'm a comic and I was like, no, you're
Speaker 1: an open micer like stuff. Um, it's kind of like
Speaker 1: the same kind of thing. But there have been times
Speaker 1: where you just be out and some dude to just
Speaker 1: come up behind you and you're just like, dude, no,
Speaker 1: because like some days you go out, You're like, I
Speaker 1: just want to dance with my friends. I'm not here
Speaker 1: to give some man a partial erection. Get off me
Speaker 1: right now, this is my question. So I had a dude,
Speaker 1: so we were out one night because like I quit
Speaker 1: wearing heels to the club because I was just like,
Speaker 1: it's stupid, right, I don't want to be in this girl.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be in the group of girls
Speaker 1: around a pile of shoes. Like I'm okay, keep dropping
Speaker 1: cups in here. The Flora's slippery, my busting my ass,
Speaker 1: this is all a fire has it. I'm not doing it.
Speaker 1: But this dude came up behind me one time at
Speaker 1: a club in Atlanta, and I was dancing and then
Speaker 1: he came up behind me and I stopped moving and
Speaker 1: he was like hey, and I was like no, and
Speaker 1: he started hitting me on my side and I'm like, sir,
Speaker 1: i am not sea biscuit. Stop hitting me on my side.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not doing it. No, thank you. And
Speaker 1: when he came up behind me, I was just like,
Speaker 1: I feel unsavory individual. Uh Like, sometimes you're just known
Speaker 1: as a criminal behind like sometimes you just know they
Speaker 1: like this is not a good part. There's plans have
Speaker 1: them and tricked just recently, just a fooled. But also
Speaker 1: sometimes you just want to go out. You wanna be
Speaker 1: with your friends, and I don't want some man behind
Speaker 1: me like off me, get off beat a nerd. So
Speaker 1: like I understand, but there is those times'm like listening
Speaker 1: to like you know, club hits and stuff like that
Speaker 1: where I'm just like, all right, we're drinking again. We're
Speaker 1: drinking again, we're taking all the drugs again. We're getting
Speaker 1: these hos and not as other ships. So it's just
Speaker 1: you can get too full of one or the other. Right.
Speaker 1: It's like when you go to like a Latin club
Speaker 1: and they're just like, Okay, we're gonna play my get
Speaker 1: for a little bit. We're gonna pay Chat for a
Speaker 1: little bit more and play Sausa for a little bit,
Speaker 1: because like if you're just hearing like a salt like
Speaker 1: salsa all night long or by Chopped or Anger or
Speaker 1: any of that, because of the dance that you do
Speaker 1: to those songs, basically the same melody just said a
Speaker 1: little bit different and then it's just someone else singing
Speaker 1: about being in love. So atter a certain point, you're
Speaker 1: just like, I can't hear this song again. But if
Speaker 1: you put on Swave mente, it's going down, please know
Speaker 1: that about me. But like I feel the way about
Speaker 1: Swave and Mentate like I feel about NK a few buck,
Speaker 1: Like that's where I am with both of It's just
Speaker 1: like if it comes on, I go all the words
Speaker 1: it's going down. We used to singing in the hallway
Speaker 1: in my high school, um so just somebody would just
Speaker 1: be in the Harvey and somebody else save thing and
Speaker 1: everybody going to classes, bestman, and then we keep going
Speaker 1: to class, so also in the Joe to see who. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had fun. So but it does get to a
Speaker 1: point where you're just like I can't hear about the
Speaker 1: club shot anymore. I can't hear about the social sit anymore.
Speaker 1: You just have to. That's why I can confusing people
Speaker 1: like don't listen to different genres of music, Like so
Speaker 1: this is all you listen to. I have met people
Speaker 1: like that. It's wild. I'll throw on it like it's listening.
Speaker 1: I have Like the other day I listened to Ariana
Speaker 1: Grande but chat to song and then a gospel song
Speaker 1: and this was one two three yeah. Yeah. So it's
Speaker 1: like people people who would agree with me about conscious
Speaker 1: rap that only listened to it, and they're too much
Speaker 1: for me. I'm like, hey, unlessia, unless you're gonna go
Speaker 1: do uthing, we can't just sit here like I've been.
Speaker 1: I've been in those sessions where you just chill with
Speaker 1: a fread and they're like, oh yeah, put on put
Speaker 1: on that other album, put on that other album. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, this clearly doesn't motivate you to do anything
Speaker 1: because because they're sad, Josh, because they're sad. At least
Speaker 1: when you're listening to a little John you least want
Speaker 1: to get up and run around or just yell yeah,
Speaker 1: like you want to do something. Yeah, but is the
Speaker 1: sound track to my friends getting arrested? That Like, like
Speaker 1: I'm telling you that's I think that's the other reason
Speaker 1: why I don't vide with club stuff as much, because
Speaker 1: I just have a lot of bad memory. Okay, this
Speaker 1: is that this may have to be cut. This is
Speaker 1: five though. But I went to a club one time
Speaker 1: where it was a local you talked about you don't
Speaker 1: want to hear local conscious rap. That's like, what's going
Speaker 1: on over there? What I tell you that a lot
Speaker 1: of because you're from Atlanta, so I think I think
Speaker 1: afely say, you've been spoiled with good like underground hip hop,
Speaker 1: beats good. You know, a lot of it's trash. A
Speaker 1: lot of the time you'll see some dude and you're
Speaker 1: at a club or something or a bar. You're at
Speaker 1: a club and then theyre does have some local act
Speaker 1: come up and just tell you what's happening on, like
Speaker 1: Bouldercrest and you're just like, yeah, that's one street dude,
Speaker 1: or like whatever they're doing on the South Side, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, man, like you gotta Also, I think
Speaker 1: you're dry snitching first and foremost. Yeahs, that's that's I think.
Speaker 1: That's my other issue is that a lot of these
Speaker 1: these club hits are not they're not put together in
Speaker 1: the most creative way. So then you just end up
Speaker 1: presenting Exhibit A in court like like you don't you
Speaker 1: don't have anything else? Does that you don't have any
Speaker 1: sort of flowery language to hide the fact that this
Speaker 1: is exactly what you did, Like yeah, it's like okay,
Speaker 1: and I shot him and it was like, you know,
Speaker 1: there's like a whole camp of sketch about it where
Speaker 1: it was Tuesday. Yeah, and you're like, guys, you're making
Speaker 1: me nervous because I'm here to watch the show. Like
Speaker 1: they I'm an accessory, so what's happening right now? But
Speaker 1: it's like, but I think they're there's a place for
Speaker 1: both of them. I just think for me it's I mean,
Speaker 1: I do understand that it's a way to let people
Speaker 1: know who aren't on the up and up when it
Speaker 1: comes to like getting their news or before there was
Speaker 1: like social media and you really only knew you didn't
Speaker 1: have a whole worldwide kind of like perception of what
Speaker 1: was really happening in other places. So I think socially
Speaker 1: conscious rap could tell you what was happening somewhere else.
Speaker 1: Because the West Coast came out was some club boppers
Speaker 1: South known for it, but like I don't know because
Speaker 1: like you know, when I like, you know, one of
Speaker 1: our friends just howstainly likes to ship on like Southern
Speaker 1: hip hop because he thinks that Northern hip hop is better.
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, what do you niggas do when
Speaker 1: you go to the club, truly, truly, if you're in
Speaker 1: here playing Wu Tang all that, what are you really
Speaker 1: because the thing is they're talking about that much different
Speaker 1: ship It's it's just the beat is different. Like your
Speaker 1: issue is like how they sound and what the beat
Speaker 1: sounds like. But it's like, no one's really I've never
Speaker 1: been because even like those fucking like spoken with shows,
Speaker 1: how depressing the neo soul shows is just like, okay,
Speaker 1: everyone in here is you're currently I don't know how
Speaker 1: you burn in sense in your own dreads, but whatever.
Speaker 1: So it's like I get it, alright. White man's religion
Speaker 1: is trash, got it, got it, got it, got it.
Speaker 1: These crystals will help you cool cool, cool cool cool,
Speaker 1: that's what you believe in. Fine, funk with it. But
Speaker 1: you get in those shows, I'm just like, okay, everyone's
Speaker 1: in earth tones and they're still talking about fucking it
Speaker 1: like that's the thing. At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: everybody's talking about fucking, and whatever way you're doing it,
Speaker 1: you're talking about fucking. So like, I think, like one
Speaker 1: of the best examples, like a socially conscious rap song
Speaker 1: that I could funk with, it's like, you know, the
Speaker 1: Tupac song Brenda is having a baby. Great example of
Speaker 1: a socially conscious song that you can bop to, right,
Speaker 1: it's like, damn team, pregnancy is a problem in our community.
Speaker 1: Also a I also was like in college when like
Speaker 1: a Little John was popping off, when that whole crunk
Speaker 1: music ship was popping off, I was in college. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's That's a huge thing with music though, is
Speaker 1: that I've been told and this is not it's not
Speaker 1: science or anything, but I haven't been seeing it proved
Speaker 1: wrong yet that whatever you listened to in high school
Speaker 1: and the early part of college is going to be
Speaker 1: music to you forever. You're never gonna get broken from
Speaker 1: that thing. Like if you liked a specific thing when
Speaker 1: you were in high school, even if you veer away
Speaker 1: from it, you're always gonna have a soft spot for
Speaker 1: like that that little piece of the genre, right, Like
Speaker 1: I always like, you know, it's like I was also
Speaker 1: in like middle school and like when Nirvana was popping off,
Speaker 1: or like, um the amount of hood at the amount
Speaker 1: of I don't think that the Red Hot Chili Peppers
Speaker 1: know how many black people funk with them. I don't
Speaker 1: think they know. I don't think they wouldn't know they would.
Speaker 1: I think they I think they might notice that there
Speaker 1: are plenty of them at the concert, but I don't
Speaker 1: think they They don't know enough to then be like
Speaker 1: we would like to do the Source Awards. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's that deep. I'll say that it's like
Speaker 1: all of subourbon black people I knew really funk with them.
Speaker 1: I think about like there's so many times where I
Speaker 1: was like trying to like listen to socially conscious wrap
Speaker 1: and been like okay, and I feel like I should
Speaker 1: be taking notes. Like every time I listened to one
Speaker 1: of those songs, I'm just like, oh, we have such
Speaker 1: we have such Like it's just like it's holding a
Speaker 1: mirror up to America. It's holding up your mirrors up here,
Speaker 1: like experience as a black person in America, and I'm
Speaker 1: just like, I don't want this. I don't want this. Um,
Speaker 1: I mean, I understand what you're saying, but like I think,
Speaker 1: like when it comes to like the lyrics, because like
Speaker 1: we can all we can both agree that like Little
Speaker 1: Wayne is l Wayne is amazing, like the use of
Speaker 1: a metaphor the use of as similar, like the imagery
Speaker 1: is ship like it's you can don't do that. I
Speaker 1: so appreciate the concession that you're making at the common
Speaker 1: ground that you're trying to build. But I Little Wayne
Speaker 1: is my one where I'm like, I don't don't really care. Okay,
Speaker 1: I here's the thing. I respect his you know, people
Speaker 1: talk about lyricism, people talk about his um adaptability and
Speaker 1: how he's kept his music consistently relevant over the years.
Speaker 1: I completely respect that. But overall, if you want to
Speaker 1: talk about voices, you want to talk about Kendrick's voice,
Speaker 1: Little Wayne. Six babies that got possessed by one big baby,
Speaker 1: all talking at the same time. I've never heard I've
Speaker 1: never heard Little Wayne sound like a grown man. You
Speaker 1: did his first album when he was fourteen. What it's
Speaker 1: confusing to me about Little Wayne is that he had
Speaker 1: a deeper voice at fourteen. Yeah, then he does right now.
Speaker 1: But it's just the way he performed. It's just his
Speaker 1: performance voice, I guess because I think when you hear
Speaker 1: him talking like an interview, that sound like an adult,
Speaker 1: but then he sounds dangerous. Then I'm like, no, if
Speaker 1: I don't know if we could be friends, Okay, we
Speaker 1: both know you'd never be friends. A little way I
Speaker 1: could try. I mean, listen, honestly, everybody has somebody to
Speaker 1: talk to, you know, maybe I can. It's so funny
Speaker 1: because like, have ever had been friends with somebody and
Speaker 1: when of your other friends was like, I wouldn't expect
Speaker 1: you to be friends with them, and you just go,
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means, but it sounds like disrespect. Yeah, yeah, like,
Speaker 1: oh your friends, I wouldn't have expected that. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if we're gonna I didn't see that coming. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if we're gonna stay friends. We keep
Speaker 1: having a conversation, but like, okay, it's like I understand,
Speaker 1: Like my concession would be, it's reporting the news, right,
Speaker 1: It's telling what's happening in your hood, because sometimes like
Speaker 1: you feel like what's happening to you where you live
Speaker 1: sometimes feel like this is the only You're the only
Speaker 1: one going through that so like when it's like when
Speaker 1: you have like more visibility of life when you just
Speaker 1: incruise visibility of different groups of people, so like you know,
Speaker 1: minority groups, people with different like you know, plus size people,
Speaker 1: people in the disabled community, people in the l g B,
Speaker 1: t q I A community, you know, the v I,
Speaker 1: P O C community, like all of these groups, like
Speaker 1: we're not We're starting to see more, right, You're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: It's like it's almost like a representation thing, which just like, oh,
Speaker 1: so you know how your hood is sucked up. Guess
Speaker 1: what my hood is also fucked up? What's happening over here?
Speaker 1: I can understand. I can give you that concession work
Speaker 1: and kind of just show people like you're not the
Speaker 1: only ones going through this. Sure, But at the same time,
Speaker 1: you can't play it at a party though. My concession
Speaker 1: to you is that I definitely definitely have enjoyed many
Speaker 1: club hits over the years, and while I don't always
Speaker 1: I don't always vibe with everything that comes out, there's
Speaker 1: usually one about each topic that I'm like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: arrivee with this. This is this is like so, so
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about money, sex, alcohol, all the stuff.
Speaker 1: I have at least every year, I feel like I
Speaker 1: have at least one money song, one alcohol song, one
Speaker 1: sex song out of the out of the club hits
Speaker 1: that I that's just to me, undeniably good, and for
Speaker 1: that reason, I can understand why going down that rabbit
Speaker 1: hole more. I might. I'm I might be more into
Speaker 1: club hits eventually. Okay, now listen, now, when I find
Speaker 1: me a husban, right, maybe they'll bees we find one
Speaker 1: when I start saying the word correctly. I don't know. Um,
Speaker 1: of course it would be right. It's in my wedding
Speaker 1: right now. On the program for the way, it will
Speaker 1: have a designated time t swag surf. It is going
Speaker 1: to happen. Okay, how do you feel about that song?
Speaker 1: I can start preparing now and then and then I
Speaker 1: think I'll be good to go. So you don't know
Speaker 1: how to swag serve. I don't know how to swags serve. Well,
Speaker 1: m m, that's not required the way that I swag serve,
Speaker 1: though I most of the dances I think I know
Speaker 1: how to do. I've been told to stop. Yeah. Now
Speaker 1: I go to a club and I try to dance
Speaker 1: toward these club hits. I'm you I usually end up
Speaker 1: having to apologize. It's about it because I don't know
Speaker 1: how it is that that no one else is knocking
Speaker 1: drinks out of people's hands. It's just me, but I'm
Speaker 1: I'm trying to stay coredy. I've tried to stay on beat.
Speaker 1: As someone who has known you for a few years now,
Speaker 1: you do strike me as someone who has a body
Speaker 1: that would not match up well to music. This is
Speaker 1: exactly like the Kendrick that because I already said what
Speaker 1: I did, I didn't need you to add to the thing.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening to our podcast. Hold
Speaker 1: up or is it called hold up? Hold up? There
Speaker 1: is no way that we can get off a podcast
Speaker 1: talking about club hits without talking about the song that
Speaker 1: has caused us the most amount of contention. And what
Speaker 1: are you talking about? You know exactly the song I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. Don't you look at me. I tend to
Speaker 1: wipe things that I think are absolute trash from memory.
Speaker 1: I tend to I tend to try to scrub that
Speaker 1: out of my consciousness. Don't act like you don't know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. That's right. The Amazing crime Mob
Speaker 1: hit nuck. If you buck, don't act like I wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna bring it up. Here's the thing, here's the here's
Speaker 1: the Nuck if You Buck is probably one of the
Speaker 1: songs that I most despise because it's not It's not
Speaker 1: only is it not good flies, it just doesn't make
Speaker 1: any sense to me. So we were having a thing
Speaker 1: at work one day. We were talking about if there
Speaker 1: was a new Negro spiritual. I cannot believe we went
Speaker 1: this long, I bringing us up. If there was a
Speaker 1: new Negro spiritual, what would it be? I of course said,
Speaker 1: nuck if You Buck. Josh came out of fucking not
Speaker 1: even left field the parking lot of a baseball game
Speaker 1: and said Georgia, but not the Ray Charles version of Georgia,
Speaker 1: the ludicrous version with Jamie Fox singing the Ray Charles verse.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I thought it had to be a
Speaker 1: hip hop song. If I had known, it was just
Speaker 1: completely I picked a hip hop, no any any song
Speaker 1: in the realm of blackness. I picked nuck if You Buck?
Speaker 1: That has brought many people together but also divided so
Speaker 1: many and you as many people as it has set free.
Speaker 1: One The issue was you brought up a song that
Speaker 1: only I knew and you knew anyone else in the
Speaker 1: conversation because it was right, And I made it just
Speaker 1: you and me thing because it was just you. I
Speaker 1: didn't know you were gonna blast it out to the
Speaker 1: rest of the office. It was. It was a blast.
Speaker 1: It wasn't blasted out like that. It wasn't blasted out
Speaker 1: like that because there were other black people standing in
Speaker 1: their room. We're having this conversation, and they all leeched you, like,
Speaker 1: what song is that? Even Alonso Boden, Uncle Alonso, who
Speaker 1: was in the office one day, said knock a few buck,
Speaker 1: of course, and he knew the song. Even someone who's
Speaker 1: not even who was black, who woul didn't even grow
Speaker 1: up in America, who is British, was like, of course,
Speaker 1: like a few buck. And I said why And they're like,
Speaker 1: because how it makes you feel? Now? I understand that
Speaker 1: you don't like this song, because what did you tell me?
Speaker 1: It sounds like to you? I don't remember. I can
Speaker 1: tell you because it hurt me, you said, but it
Speaker 1: hurt because it was accurate. Okay, it didn't hurt me,
Speaker 1: hurt me. But I was like, damn, he's right. You
Speaker 1: said that knuck if you buck sounds like a G E.
Speaker 1: D getting thrown down the hallway of a juvenile detention center.
Speaker 1: I do recall that, now. Yeah, Now, anyone I've ever
Speaker 1: said that too has been like, he's completely accurate. But
Speaker 1: the song still slaps. That song still slaps, Okay. And
Speaker 1: the thing is, this became a running thing in the office.
Speaker 1: So me being the individual that I am, got Josh
Speaker 1: a trophy that said for knocking and bucking and being
Speaker 1: ready to fight Josh Johnson. Now, I was gonna say
Speaker 1: first place, but I was telling Roy about it, and
Speaker 1: Roy said, no, put runner up, which makes it so
Speaker 1: much funnier, It makes it so much mainer. And you
Speaker 1: also it was it was it. I felt hazed because
Speaker 1: I was I was new. I didn't like I hadn't
Speaker 1: been at the show that long and I and you
Speaker 1: mailed it to me. You couldn't just bring it to
Speaker 1: me like a regular Christian. You mailed it to me.
Speaker 1: So then I got sent down to security to get
Speaker 1: my mail. And I was excited because I had never
Speaker 1: got mail at the show before. I was like, who
Speaker 1: knows that I'm here? And I opened it up and
Speaker 1: it was that travesty, the way you looked when you
Speaker 1: walked in my office holding it down by your side.
Speaker 1: You know, if you've made it this far and listening
Speaker 1: to the podcast, you're absolute Jim. He really appreciate you.
Speaker 1: I just want to thank you all for me, for
Speaker 1: us listening. I didn't want to bring up not if
Speaker 1: you Buck at the beginning conversation because I didn't want
Speaker 1: to Josh to be mad at me the entire time. Um,
Speaker 1: but we had to bring up the Pinnacle. I mean,
Speaker 1: we talked about Little John. We have talked about the
Speaker 1: Pinnacle Club hit the banger Ah Bangers okay, banger of
Speaker 1: all bankers, really making me regret my concession. Um, so
Speaker 1: much for listening. I'm Josh Johnson and I'm du Say
Speaker 1: Sloan and you've been listening to a bit of hold
Speaker 1: Up because we held up their lives. We'll be back
Speaker 1: with more hold Up in the future future. Bye. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Listen to Hold Up wherever you get your podcast and
Speaker 1: watch the video version at Daily show dot com. Backslash
Speaker 1: hold Up