1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 2: John back to DC for a second before we move on. 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 2: How long do you think those troops are going to 4 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 2: stay there? 5 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 3: Well, by law, Trump only has this executive authority for 6 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 3: thirty days unless Congress goes and gives him an additional 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 3: ability to stay there. Unfortunately, the Democrats and the Senate 8 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 3: Chuck Schumer has already promised to filibuster it, and he 9 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 3: has said that he will be successful in being able 10 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 3: to go and stop that extension. I mean, I guess 11 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 3: I hope given the huge changes we've had. I mean, 12 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 3: it's not just thirteen days in a row without a homicide, 13 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 3: which is just amazing. But you look at things like 14 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 3: the fourteen days that it's been in effect with this 15 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 3: federalization of law enforcement there compared to the fourteen days 16 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 3: prior to it. The Police Union points out that roberies 17 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 3: have fallen by forty two percent, carjackings have fallen by 18 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 3: eighty five percent, violent crime has fallen by twenty five percent. 19 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 3: I mean, you've just had huge changes in crime, you know, 20 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 3: by having more boots on the ground there making it 21 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 3: riskier for criminals to go and commit the crime. You know. 22 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 3: The thing is also it's puzzling to me. We have 23 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 3: data up through twenty twenty one on who the victims 24 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 3: are of these murders. So not only as we talked 25 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 3: about before, is the murder rate in d C higher 26 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 3: than any other much higher than any other city in 27 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 3: the top twenty five in population, much higher, you know, 28 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 3: one hundred and sixty nine percent higher than the worst state. 29 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 3: But who are the victims? And the data shows that 30 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 3: about ninety six percent of those who are killed are blacks, 31 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 3: So I hope you know, democrats claim that they care 32 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 3: about the poor, that they care about blacks and minorities. 33 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 3: These are the people who are suffering. And they're not 34 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 3: just suffering in terms of being the direct victims of murder, 35 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 3: though that's obviously horrible given the huge number of murders 36 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 3: that they have there, but they suffer in other ways. 37 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 3: You have businesses who close. Who do you think works 38 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 3: in those stores? Who do you think shops in those stores. 39 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 3: You have people that own homes in those areas whose 40 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 3: property values are depressed because of all the violent crime 41 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 3: that's there. And what's been coming out more and more 42 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 3: is how the police union for years has been complaining 43 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 3: about manipulation of the crime data. You've had a number 44 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 3: of lawsuits filed by police officers over many years, officers 45 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 3: who are in good standing, who have claimed that for homicides, 46 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 3: they've been forced to recategorize those as accidental deaths. And 47 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 3: you know, for other types of crimes, like you may 48 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 3: have somebody who engaged in an aggravate assault with a weapon. 49 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 3: The difference between what's a felony and what's a misdemeanor 50 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 3: is often whether a weapon was used in the assault. 51 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 3: And they'll be told by superiors then to not include 52 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 3: or to remove any discussion of a weapon in their 53 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 3: police reports. And the person isn't arrested then for an 54 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 3: assault with a weapon, but just simple assault. And what 55 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 3: that's done by moving things from felonies to misdemeanors. If 56 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 3: the police, many of these police officers, as I say, 57 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 3: over many years, it's accurate, then it's not included in 58 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 3: the official crime statistics that either the district prints out 59 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 3: or the FBI, because the FBI, you know, they're talking 60 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 3: about violent crimes. They're talking about they're talking about felonies murder, rape, robbery, 61 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 3: eggvate assault, not simple salt. 62 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 2: John, there's a bill floating around the California Senate that 63 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 2: would prohibit dealers of guns from selling semi automatic pistols 64 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 2: and handguns. What other models and why are they doing this? 65 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean, obviously they've tried to ban many 66 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 3: different types of semi automatic rifles. Two. And you know, 67 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 3: they're not the only ones that have talked about banning 68 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 3: all semi automatic guns. There's basically three types of guns 69 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 3: out there. And I'm sure you know that there's automatic, 70 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 3: fully automatic machine guns. One pull the trigger, bullets come out, 71 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 3: as long as you have the trigger depressed. Semi automatic. 72 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 3: One pull the trigger, one bullet comes out. It reloads itself. 73 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 3: One pull the trigger, one bullet comes out, and so on, 74 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 3: and then you have manually loaded guns. In a case 75 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 3: of rifles, you're gonna have have to, you know, physically 76 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 3: yourself load another round into the chamber, you know, kind 77 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 3: of like a bolt action rifle to do that each time. Now, 78 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 3: the vast majority of guns sold in the United States 79 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 3: are semi automatics, about eighty five percent or so of 80 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 3: the guns are semi automatics, and the main reason for 81 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 3: that is that law abiding civilians who may want to 82 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 3: use a gun for self defense benefit a lot from 83 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 3: having a semi automatic gun if you face multiple criminals, 84 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 3: so you have to go and fire more than one shot, 85 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 3: or you fire and miss, or you fire and wound 86 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 3: but don't incapacitate the attacker. If you have to physically 87 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 3: yourself reload the gun there before you can go and 88 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 3: fire another shot, you may not have the luxury of 89 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 3: time to be able to go and do that. So, 90 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 3: you know, it's a big benefit for civilians who want 91 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 3: to be able to go and defend themselves to be 92 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 3: able to have a semi automatic gun. And so you know, 93 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 3: I it's you know, it's kind of whatever the flavor is, 94 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 3: they're gonna go and ban it, and eventually you won't 95 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 3: add up with any guns. You know. California has already 96 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 3: greatly reduced the number of handguns that can legally be 97 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 3: sold in the state because they have so called safety 98 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 3: rules that a new gun that's produced you can grandfather 99 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 3: in the old guns, but the safety things are like 100 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 3: you have to drop a gun from I can't remember 101 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 3: when it's like sixty feet or something like that and 102 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,559 Speaker 3: not have it be damaged. And there's a whole range 103 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 3: of those types of tests that they have, and new 104 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 3: guns simply aren't able to make those tests, and so 105 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 3: you have grandfathered in ones. But if you make any 106 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 3: change to the gun, you know, change the color, change 107 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 3: the grip slightly, do anything, then you'd have to have 108 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 3: it classified as a new gun. And so gradually, over time, 109 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 3: the number of guns that can handguns that can legally 110 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 3: be sold of any type of semi automatic handgun, there's 111 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 3: already been dramatically reduced. I mean, I don't know what 112 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 3: the latest number is, whether it's like a dozen handguns 113 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 3: that can still legally be sold in California, but it's 114 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:15,119 Speaker 3: not very many. 115 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: Why do these mass shooters end up killing themselves? John, 116 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 2: What's going on there? 117 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 3: Right? Well, there's one common factor I think in the 118 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 3: vast majority of these cases, and that is you have 119 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 3: people who are suicidal. People have always been suicidal, but 120 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 3: at some point along the line, people who are suicidal 121 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 3: realized that if they went and killed lots of other people, 122 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 3: they could get national or even international media attention and 123 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 3: people would kind of know they were here. So you 124 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 3: have people who feel not appreciated. You go and read 125 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 3: these diaries and manifestos, for these mass murders, and the 126 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 3: common theme is people just don't care about me. I'm 127 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 3: a wonderful person, and I don't know why girls won't 128 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 3: go out with me or whatever. I mean. You read 129 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 3: the diaries and you get an idea why they won't. 130 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 3: But they will say things like, if I can only 131 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 3: kill more people than such and such, did I can 132 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 3: get more media attention? You know you have somebody like 133 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 3: the Sandy Hook mass murderer. He did what the police 134 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 3: described as a doctoral dissertation where he had looked at 135 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 3: mass public shootings over forty years, and he had graphed 136 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 3: out the relationship between the number of people killed in 137 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 3: attacks and the amount of media coverage they got in 138 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 3: order to prove to himself that if he could kill 139 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 3: more people, he could go and get more media coverage. 140 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,959 Speaker 3: His goal was to go and kill more people than 141 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 3: the Norway mass murderer, who had killed who who has 142 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 3: killed more people than anybody in the US in any 143 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 3: of the attacks he had. If you just look at 144 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 3: the people he shot to death and ignore the bombing 145 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 3: deaths that he had, he shot to death sixty seven people. 146 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 3: And this Sandy Hook killer wanted to kill more people 147 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 3: than him, so that he could get even more worldwide 148 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 3: media attention. But that's something that you see over and 149 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 3: over again, and so that raises the question, how do 150 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 3: you stop these guys? And I think the way you 151 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 3: stop them is by taking away the media attention that 152 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 3: they can get. And you don't need to rewrite the 153 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 3: First Amendment. You don't need to go and ban media 154 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 3: coverage of it. That I think the key to understand 155 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 3: is that you have to have somebody there quickly, somebody 156 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 3: who they can't identify, who's able to go and stop 157 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 3: the attacks. You know, the media refuses to cover this 158 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 3: part of their diaries and manifestos, but over and over 159 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 3: and over again, these mass murderers will explain why they 160 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 3: pick the targets that they do, and over and over 161 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 3: again they'll say it's not rocket science. They know if 162 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 3: they go to a place where their victims are defenseless, 163 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 3: they're going to be to go and kill more people 164 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 3: and get more media attention. And so they'll explicitly talk 165 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 3: about going to places where guns are banned. You know, 166 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 3: see if something like the Nashville school shooter. Even in 167 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 3: that case, the Nashville police chief who had read the 168 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 3: diary the day of the attack, said she had looked 169 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 3: at other targets. She had looked at the Green Hills Mall, 170 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 3: but had decided not to go there because they allowed 171 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 3: people to carry concealed handguns there, and so you know, 172 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 3: if you have somebody there quickly there who's able to 173 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 3: stop them. And look, there's also a difference between having 174 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 3: a police officer or a civilian. We've just done some 175 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 3: recent work that goes and finds that people have to 176 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 3: appreciate what an incredibly difficult job a police officer in 177 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,199 Speaker 3: uniform has. And I suppose one way to think about 178 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 3: this is we have air marshals on planes. Do you 179 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 3: think air marshals ought to be in uniform? Heck no, don't, 180 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 3: right because obviously, if you do have a terrorist there 181 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 3: who you're letting the terrorists know who they have to 182 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 3: take out. You want to have it so they don't 183 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 3: know who they have to worry about. And so the 184 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 3: same is true. If you have an officer at a 185 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 3: school and he's in uniform, you give real tactical advantages 186 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 3: to the attacker there. He can either wait for the 187 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 3: officer to move to another building, or he can move 188 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 3: to another building himself the attacker, or if he's going 189 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 3: to insist on attacking where the officer is, who do 190 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 3: you think he shoots first? Because the officer is the 191 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 3: one person that he knows who has a gun. And 192 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 3: so if the officer is the only person that has 193 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 3: a gun, if you don't have armed teachers or staff, 194 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 3: you make their job fairly easy in terms of doing 195 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 3: these attacks. You know, if you look at schools, we 196 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 3: have over ten thousand schools in the United States, they 197 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 3: have armed teachers and staff. There's not one attack where 198 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 3: anybody's been wounded or killed at any school that allows 199 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 3: teachers and staff to carry and people know, and people 200 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 3: know that exactly. And you see, Look, these killers spend 201 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 3: a huge amount of time planning these attacks. They go 202 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,839 Speaker 3: and read up on what the other killers have done. 203 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 3: They have detailed notes. Six months is a short amount 204 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 3: of time for them going and planning these attacks. The 205 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 3: Sandy Sandy Hook killer spent over two and a half 206 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 3: years planning his attack before he did it. And so 207 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 3: if you can convince them, if you have a sign 208 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 3: and from the school or someplace else says warnings, select 209 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 3: teachers and staff at this school are carrying concealed. He 210 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 3: doesn't know who it is he has to worry about. Okay, 211 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 3: it could be somebody behind him or to the side. 212 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 3: He doesn't know who it is. He has to go 213 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 3: and take out first, and that makes it much riskier, 214 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 3: much more difficult for him to go and do the attack. 215 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 3: And they don't do the attacks in those places. You know, 216 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 3: over ninety two percent of the mass public shootings in 217 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 3: the United States take place where guns are banned. I'll 218 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 3: make one other quick point, and that is you take 219 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 3: something like the Covenant School shooting again at that time, 220 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 3: if you or I, even if we had a concealed 221 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 3: carry permit, carried a gun onto school property, we'd be 222 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 3: facing prison terms of up to six years. That would 223 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 3: make a huge difference in our lives if we were 224 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 3: a fellon and have to go to jail for six years. 225 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 3: But let's say you're the murder she killed six people, 226 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 3: assuming she had lived and she died, so the criminal 227 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 3: penalties are irrelevant in that case. But let's say she 228 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 3: had lived, she'd be facing six life sentences or six 229 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 3: death penalties. Does anybody really believe that, saying, boy, we're 230 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 3: going to take six years away from her seventh life, 231 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 3: and that's going to keep her from doing the crime. 232 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 3: She said, I can live with six life sentences or 233 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 3: I can live with six death penalties, but you put 234 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 3: that additional penalty on my seventh life, and that's going 235 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 3: to stop me from committing the crime. It's just all 236 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 3: you've done with those penalties. I understand the motivation is 237 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 3: just to try to create a safe area by banning guns, 238 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 3: but all you've done is make it so that law abiding, 239 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 3: good people who face really huge life altering penalties obey 240 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 3: the rules. They may obey it even if the penalty 241 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 3: wasn't big, but the criminal then knows that they'll be 242 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 3: the only person with a gun, and that makes it 243 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 3: much easier for them to go and commit the harm 244 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 3: that they want to do. 245 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 2: John back in August of twenty nineteen, a twenty one 246 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 2: year old kid and I'll passo, Texas when Berserk went 247 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: into a Walmart and shot forty three people, twenty three 248 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 2: of them he killed, and nobody stopped and he gave 249 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 2: himself up. Taking jump ahead the Michigan at a Walmart 250 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 2: just a few months ago, right where a guy when 251 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 2: Natsen stabbed eleven people, but he was taken out by 252 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 2: a concealed weapons holder. 253 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I know, it's amazing to listen to some 254 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 3: of the witness's statements that were there. Some people had 255 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 3: tried to stop the attacker but ended up getting stabbed 256 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 3: and seriously injured in the process of trying to stop them. 257 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 3: They didn't have guns, They didn't have a gun. And 258 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 3: when a retired marine who had a gun you had 259 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 3: gone target shooting in the morning and still had the 260 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 3: gun on his hip, saw the attack, he came over 261 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 3: and the fact he was able to point the gun 262 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 3: at the attacker without having to get into physical contact 263 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 3: with him caused the attacker to stop. Because the attacker 264 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 3: knew if he started to come after the guy with 265 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 3: the gun, with the marine with the gun, he was 266 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 3: going to get shot, and so he was able to 267 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 3: order him to put down the knife, and at that 268 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 3: point others tackled him and they held him until the 269 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 3: police arrived a few minutes later. But you know, one 270 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 3: can only imagine how many more people would have been 271 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 3: harmed if the marine hadn't been there with the gun. 272 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: Listen to more Coast to Coast am every weeknight at 273 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: one am Eastern and go to Coast to coastam dot 274 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: com for more