Speaker 1: Real people, real celebrity joined the Breakfast Yep, the world
Speaker 1: was dangerous morning show the Breakfast Club. He turned it on.
Speaker 1: Jill quietly like to talk to guests before the interview,
Speaker 1: you know, I like to wait until the interviewed you
Speaker 1: at all and yeah, fake looking at my phone until
Speaker 1: the interview started. But we got Jill Scott here. What's
Speaker 1: up y'all, Julie from Philly, good to see you. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's great to have Jill Scott here. And I will
Speaker 1: say Charlotte Magne went to go see you perform in Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: I was surprised because we can't get him to go nowhere.
Speaker 1: I've seen you perform at least fifteen times because I
Speaker 1: used to I told you before. We used to go
Speaker 1: to the Sugar Water Festival all the time when it
Speaker 1: was you and Erica Badou and Flower Tree and Queen Latifa. Like,
Speaker 1: I've seen you perform countless about the times, but not
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn. Let me tell you something. I had no
Speaker 1: choice too. It was one of those things. My wife
Speaker 1: was like, hey, Joe Scott, is matter of fact you
Speaker 1: want to go to the concert in Jersey. But I
Speaker 1: was busy. So it happened in Brooklyn's woman keV Holiday
Speaker 1: made that happen for me, so we went that was monumental. Yes,
Speaker 1: congratulations on the new album thank You. I like Cruising.
Speaker 1: I think it's my favorite song on there. I also
Speaker 1: like Food's Gold and I like um Closure And I
Speaker 1: want to talk about closure for a second, Okay, because
Speaker 1: I was having a conversation when one of my friends, right,
Speaker 1: and that song is really about like having sex with
Speaker 1: somebody for the last time for closure. You really think
Speaker 1: that's a good idea, m I think it can work. Hey,
Speaker 1: listen any Portland storms where I'm where I am with it.
Speaker 1: If it could work, it's worked. But do you think
Speaker 1: it's possible though, because it's like you do it that
Speaker 1: one last time, you're like, man, I can't let this go.
Speaker 1: And plus when you do it that last time, you're
Speaker 1: trying to do it like the best you've ever done it,
Speaker 1: so that he feels like, Okay, I don't want to
Speaker 1: maybe maybe not for me. I've had that experience and
Speaker 1: that last one was not the best one. I'm trying
Speaker 1: too hard. But my feet were already on my way out,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I knew this was it.
Speaker 1: It's wrap it's the last time, and making a conscious
Speaker 1: decision and then actually saying all right, I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: my body this one more time. But making that conscious
Speaker 1: decision and the second gas or regret or anything. What's
Speaker 1: the point of that? Though? Like why not just why
Speaker 1: can't a phone conversation just the end? Sometimes phone calls
Speaker 1: work with some people, Sometimes they don't, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like I said, any port in a storm,
Speaker 1: when you're trying to get away from something that's not
Speaker 1: necessarily beneficial to you. If the conversation you had, that conversation, look,
Speaker 1: we're not gonna do this anymore. You know, it was great,
Speaker 1: but you know, I went more for my life and
Speaker 1: then here you come again or smelling like that, you know,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you change your mind
Speaker 1: and next thing, you know, you're kind of right back
Speaker 1: where you started. And then you got to go through
Speaker 1: the whole thing again. When somebody has that that you know,
Speaker 1: that thing, it's really challenging to to walk away from it.
Speaker 1: But you know, that same thing that you used to
Speaker 1: love when you was in love and now you know
Speaker 1: you don't want to be with them anymore, is the
Speaker 1: same thing that would end up, irritating you. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: this was This is not about a love relationship. This
Speaker 1: is about two people that are friends, homely love of friends,
Speaker 1: if you will, and we have a great time. But
Speaker 1: in order to get more and more, in order to
Speaker 1: have a well balanced relationship, you know, a participant in
Speaker 1: your life, not just somebody that comes in and makes
Speaker 1: a good real quick and disappears. I'm talking about a partnership.
Speaker 1: In order to have that, you gotta make way. You
Speaker 1: gotta make room. And and that's my opinion. I really
Speaker 1: feel like you got to you gotta clear some stuff out,
Speaker 1: you know that in order to let that in. That's
Speaker 1: the reason for the closure, because other than that, you
Speaker 1: still got this other thing that can hold you back
Speaker 1: from where you really want to go. You know, I
Speaker 1: was watching the documentary on Central. I don't know if
Speaker 1: the Docmunity is like you perform a live woman. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you seem like you're in a great space with love,
Speaker 1: like you was talking about love and it's like your
Speaker 1: eyes will water and I'm like, well, who is banging
Speaker 1: jails back out? That got hurt feeling? Well, I can
Speaker 1: say this, it's more than it's more than sex way
Speaker 1: way way way more than that, And that's that's that's
Speaker 1: the goal, that's the that's the the game, that's the
Speaker 1: end game. You know, more than just my physicality being
Speaker 1: appeased or pleased or stimulated or titillated. It's more than that,
Speaker 1: you know, it's the rest of it. To have a
Speaker 1: partner that's on your team, that will hold up their
Speaker 1: end plus yours if you need it. That's what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. There's a difference, and you're willing to hold
Speaker 1: up their end if they need it. Absolutely, It's it's
Speaker 1: a beautiful giving take. No, you was talking like this
Speaker 1: person that killed somebody for you before, like you like
Speaker 1: you love this individual you was talking about. I'm sitting
Speaker 1: on the couch like that. I really don't recall talking
Speaker 1: about anyone though. You was talking in general about love.
Speaker 1: You was like, you know, and love when you find
Speaker 1: that one you because that is a part of observation
Speaker 1: as well. I'm a voyeur. I watch people like for instance,
Speaker 1: I met I met a musician the other day. I
Speaker 1: loved watching him talk to his wife. I love looking
Speaker 1: at her when she when he wasn't looking right. I
Speaker 1: love watching her look at him. I was like, this
Speaker 1: is what I'm talking about, right, you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: I'm just paying attention to what I see, and I'm
Speaker 1: seeing a beautiful resurrection of relationships, people that genuinely are
Speaker 1: about that life for each other, and they have their
Speaker 1: stuff with them, but it's their stuff, right, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? What kind of space? Where are you
Speaker 1: in doing this album? Um? What kind of place was
Speaker 1: I in? I was in a couple of places. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I hear different thing. Yeah. Well, the album is
Speaker 1: like a journal, you know. So you if you've ever
Speaker 1: kept a journal, I have since I was twelve. But
Speaker 1: when you look through it, you've got sometimes you you're
Speaker 1: every page, every day you're writing in your journal, and
Speaker 1: then sometimes you're you miss months, right, you know. So
Speaker 1: I'm strolling through the journal, looking through and I see
Speaker 1: this part of myself, and I see this part of myself,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of how the album really worked. Different
Speaker 1: parts of your life, different pieces, and it's not necessarily
Speaker 1: my life. Like I said, I'm a voyeur. I listened
Speaker 1: to a lot of women. I listened to older women,
Speaker 1: I listen to younger women. I listen and I listen
Speaker 1: to men too. People talk to me for whatever reason
Speaker 1: I let them, Oh, I think you'd make an amazing
Speaker 1: life coach, thanks an amazing like psychiatrist type person you
Speaker 1: would go to to tell your problems and then you
Speaker 1: would give advice to Well, I play. That was one
Speaker 1: of the plans before music. Yeah, or you would just
Speaker 1: go psychology. I was about to really change the last
Speaker 1: one minute and decided to teach English. Really, yeah, what
Speaker 1: made you? What made you want to be a psychiatrist
Speaker 1: to begin with? Well, I enjoyed listening, and I thought
Speaker 1: that I could help, you know, if I, you know,
Speaker 1: have a balanced perspective on stuff, that I might be
Speaker 1: able to help somebody. That's interesting. I went to school
Speaker 1: and I took psychology and it was too hard, and
Speaker 1: I dropped that as the only class average job because
Speaker 1: it was way harder than I thought it was gonna be.
Speaker 1: And then I ended up being an English major. Right
Speaker 1: after that, I did that, I didn't go to college.
Speaker 1: When I tried to go to college, psychology and I
Speaker 1: bought the book, but I never went to class. I
Speaker 1: just ended up reading the book. Those books. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: psychology book was like this thing. Yeah, I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if this classes for me. Those books
Speaker 1: are really expensive, which is one of the reasons why
Speaker 1: I know, I know you guys are, But I ended
Speaker 1: up starting Blues Baby Foundation because I wanted to pay
Speaker 1: for people's books. Right, Like I couldn't afford my books.
Speaker 1: I could afford school. I could get to school. Was
Speaker 1: I wearing the same clothes a couple of times a week? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm trying to second hand books like I
Speaker 1: got the second hand so I could get right right,
Speaker 1: that was a lot. That was a lot. No, I
Speaker 1: clean toilets now now, um, you said something very interesting
Speaker 1: in the Huffington Post I read. You said, being being
Speaker 1: an artist you're talking about Bill Cobby. You said being
Speaker 1: an artist and a black man that is beloved is
Speaker 1: one of the most dangerous positions that you can be in.
Speaker 1: Can you elaborate on that. Well. I remember the day
Speaker 1: when I was in New Jersey and I saw every
Speaker 1: kid with an Allen iverson Jersey, on every kid everywhere,
Speaker 1: and I thought to myself, he's in trouble, right, He's
Speaker 1: in trouble. When you are looked past your skin and
Speaker 1: at your talent, When you look past your skin and
Speaker 1: at what you bring to something that people love, that
Speaker 1: means You're beloved beyond the color of your skin or
Speaker 1: your race and all of that. And it was maybe
Speaker 1: a month later that he was on the cover of
Speaker 1: the Daily News in Philadelphia with his braids out, and
Speaker 1: he was about maybe two shades darker on the cover,
Speaker 1: and then he was It was like they had vilified him,
Speaker 1: you know that quick. Bringing a lot of light and
Speaker 1: attention to the prospect of a human being simply being
Speaker 1: a human being, coming from a black man is dangerous
Speaker 1: in my opinion. Look at what happened to Michael Jackson,
Speaker 1: look at what happened to Kevin Clash. I'm talking about Elmo,
Speaker 1: how he was so beloved by everyone. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to dismiss the fact that people that folks have done
Speaker 1: some terrible foul things. With the understanding that men all
Speaker 1: have proclivities, rich ones, smart ones, dumb ones, backwoods ones,
Speaker 1: all men have proclivities. That just means something that's natural
Speaker 1: to you, that you like, that's probably really bad. Yea.
Speaker 1: So we forget our heroes are human, forget that they're human.
Speaker 1: But what I see is at our heroes and and
Speaker 1: please understand, I'm from North Philly, but Cosby is from
Speaker 1: North Philly. That man was like a father to me.
Speaker 1: He showed me everything about life that I did not
Speaker 1: see in North Philadelphia, not just because I watched the
Speaker 1: television shows, but I did watch them. I watched the
Speaker 1: Cosby Show. I mean, I watched the Cosby Show. I
Speaker 1: watched that Albert Different world made me want to go
Speaker 1: to college. College. Ain't nobody around my way going into college.
Speaker 1: I appreciate and respect that legacy. Still, that's a man. Still,
Speaker 1: that's a man. And I've always been about that with
Speaker 1: fame and famous people, but I I felt the need
Speaker 1: to remember the Kevin clashes and the Michael Jackson's and
Speaker 1: how people were really trying to destroy that legacy. What's
Speaker 1: the dude's name, Phil Spector. He killed a woman, tried
Speaker 1: and convicted, but he's still in the Rock and roll
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. If I'm not mistaken, Elvis like them young,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not saying that this is right. I'm saying
Speaker 1: that all men have proclivities, and I really feel that
Speaker 1: whatever is done to some do to all, don't decimate
Speaker 1: the legacy of the good. You're trying to tell me,
Speaker 1: You're trying to tell me they're regardless of how much
Speaker 1: good I do in the world. If I do something bad,
Speaker 1: just something terrible, everything else gets pushed away. You forget
Speaker 1: and you think this is something that happens with black man.
Speaker 1: And then you look particular a Phil Specter who still
Speaker 1: is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame even
Speaker 1: though he murdered someone and another Harrilson has had sex
Speaker 1: with his um step daughter or whatever whatever. She was
Speaker 1: adopted not white men can't jump my bad. Yes, they
Speaker 1: had an adopted daughter and he ended up marrying her. Yes,
Speaker 1: And what was it great Balls of Fire? Wasn't that movie?
Speaker 1: Um Jim, who was it? Buddy Holly? I mean it happened.
Speaker 1: It has happened in Latin history. And now they're saying
Speaker 1: with Bill Cosby, get all his TV shows up the air,
Speaker 1: Spellming no longer one. I think that's why scholarship program
Speaker 1: they took down his statue. I think that's why. The
Speaker 1: reason I think that's why is because like what Jill
Speaker 1: just said about a different world inspired her to want
Speaker 1: to go to college, and my homegirl, jazz Fly, she
Speaker 1: has just saying what she says, we have to learn
Speaker 1: to separate the art from the artists. The art helped
Speaker 1: and benefited a lot. The artists may be flawed, but
Speaker 1: the art made you want to go to college. Wagner
Speaker 1: a notorious racist, but incredible musician and composer. I mean
Speaker 1: the history and list of men with dirty, terrible things.
Speaker 1: And guess what, the more money you get, the more
Speaker 1: easily and more apt you are to do the worst things,
Speaker 1: because they've always been in you. There it is. If
Speaker 1: nobody's helped you or or guided you or stopped you
Speaker 1: from being the worst you could be, and they're lifting
Speaker 1: you up and just you know, allowing you to do
Speaker 1: the worst things, you're gonna do it. Probably, So what
Speaker 1: do you think should happen then? In that case, in
Speaker 1: a Belle Cosby situation? Ah, what do I think should
Speaker 1: happen to him? Yeah? Like what should happen? What should
Speaker 1: the repercussions be? I mean a lot of these crimes,
Speaker 1: alleged crimes, were committed so long ago it's passed statute
Speaker 1: of limitation. I think the best thing for mister Cozle
Speaker 1: to do right now is pass away because the slander
Speaker 1: turned to simplathy. Just like that, they did the same
Speaker 1: thing to Michael. They vilified Michael. Then when Michael passed.
Speaker 1: He was the hero again, that's what they say, though
Speaker 1: they say you either died a hero or a live
Speaker 1: long enough to become a villain. I was told, I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's true or not that the first
Speaker 1: person to accuse Michael Jackson of their father committee suicide.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I don't know either. I
Speaker 1: just heard that. I don't know if it's true or not.
Speaker 1: All that's this is a show that's not based on facts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, all I'm saying is that looking at the
Speaker 1: big picture was the reason that I could not could
Speaker 1: not make any real decisions other than love. If it's
Speaker 1: your father, if it's your dad, and fifty, let's say sixty,
Speaker 1: let's say a hundred people say so something terrible about
Speaker 1: your father, the one that's raised you, the one that's
Speaker 1: been there, the one that took care of your skin, knees.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying this because I saw the man
Speaker 1: on television. Bill Cosby has been good to me, officially
Speaker 1: good to me. North Philly girl, doing well, reaching out,
Speaker 1: how you're doing? You need anything? Let me give you
Speaker 1: some advice, let me share something you know, a cappuccino
Speaker 1: with you, no, but he had his daughter drive to
Speaker 1: New York to get something from my throat and I
Speaker 1: toured up. I drank it every day. It's it's hard,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And plus he hasn't said yes,
Speaker 1: I've done. But even in the demosition, you did you
Speaker 1: you came out and said you had to stop defriending
Speaker 1: him though, because it doesn't look good. I mean, my
Speaker 1: mind is present. My heart did not want to believe
Speaker 1: anything negative about someone I love and admire and respect
Speaker 1: so much, but my mind is still. President was like,
Speaker 1: damn it, there's no way around this. This is just
Speaker 1: looks bad. It smells bad, it tastes bad. This this
Speaker 1: is bad. You got a lot of backlash from social media.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is Jill Scott y'all trying to slay.
Speaker 1: But listen, people make mistakes. Sometimes we misspeak. We can
Speaker 1: change our mind, we can change your view on something.
Speaker 1: I can get more information. Are you sure? You can
Speaker 1: get more information and more facts and be like, you
Speaker 1: know what, maybe there's more to this than I originally knew.
Speaker 1: It happens every day, right, it happens all the time.
Speaker 1: You don't you don't know something, and then you find
Speaker 1: something out, and you find out some more. All I
Speaker 1: know is that, um, I'm a human being and my
Speaker 1: love ain't watery. H and just because it got hot,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, It didn't just jump and
Speaker 1: dissipate or evaporate. People ain'tn't understand it. You don't understand.
Speaker 1: And I'm a real I'm a person, and this man.
Speaker 1: If I could explain how many people die in North Philly,
Speaker 1: especially when I was growing up, if I could explain
Speaker 1: the differences between myself and I felt like so many
Speaker 1: other people, I felt very alone, and I saw someone
Speaker 1: just making strides knocking down doors, it was inspiring to me.
Speaker 1: And I would hope that if the shoe was ever
Speaker 1: on the other foot, that something was being said about
Speaker 1: me that was terrible, horrible, vile and disgusting. I would
Speaker 1: hope that somebody who's ever claimed to appreciate love and
Speaker 1: respect me would at least be like, let wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: wait wait, I'm not jumping up anything. I'm a whole
Speaker 1: tight a of Twitter followers, you know. I would hope
Speaker 1: that I could be treated the way I would want
Speaker 1: that I treat other people. How do you deal with
Speaker 1: social media? Do you ever feel like you want to disconnect,
Speaker 1: because when you know, when you just seeing music and
Speaker 1: you hear you talk, I don't feel like you're a
Speaker 1: social media present. But I see you going back and
Speaker 1: forth sometimes with these trolls. Sometimes sometimes I sometimes, I mean,
Speaker 1: it baffles me because I was just saying this out there.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't see how somebody cannot like
Speaker 1: Jail Scott, I just don't get it. Like amazing singer,
Speaker 1: great songs, fifteen years in the game, always minding your business,
Speaker 1: You're not. It's not like you be in the middle
Speaker 1: of Typically I try, I try. If somebody message your man,
Speaker 1: Y'll walk over there and snap. I mean, you are
Speaker 1: what women we go through the same things you go through.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think we live in the era
Speaker 1: of you getting back what you give out no more.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't believe I get it back. I
Speaker 1: get it back. I get it back. I get it back.
Speaker 1: When somebody yells from across the street or somebody behind
Speaker 1: me is like, appreciate you, thanks to because they're not
Speaker 1: stopping my life, you know what I mean. Fanaticism is
Speaker 1: different from respect. Fanaticism goes hard and it's it's what
Speaker 1: they need, not not what will make this a real moment.
Speaker 1: It's like, ah, you know, And I experience that occasionally
Speaker 1: more than more than I want to. But then I
Speaker 1: have these moments where somebody is telling me what this
Speaker 1: song did or how it affected something in their lives.
Speaker 1: I gave birth to this song, I made my child
Speaker 1: to this song. When my father died, we played this song.
Speaker 1: He loved this. And I have those kind of moments
Speaker 1: where I'm great, I'm so grateful to have any impact
Speaker 1: on someone's life. I'm like, Wow, I get to do this.
Speaker 1: That's in music. It's supposed to be for I would think,
Speaker 1: I would think, and I appreciate those moments. Why did
Speaker 1: you tight of this album? Woman? I've been waiting to
Speaker 1: get here for a long time as a as a female,
Speaker 1: I've been waiting to get to this point where I'm
Speaker 1: I'm grown. I'm going to say what I feel. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say what I believe. I'm going to use my
Speaker 1: wisdom um that I've had enough life experiences that I
Speaker 1: feel like, I could, you know, really impact somebody younger
Speaker 1: than me, or maybe somebody at the same age. I
Speaker 1: associate myself with elder women because they've got great stories,
Speaker 1: they've got great advice. They call me on my stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh they call me, oh boy, Not that I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about real life. Like what what what I got
Speaker 1: from my elder sister about the Bill Cosby situation, She said,
Speaker 1: I don't agree with you, but you have the right
Speaker 1: to feel the way you do. Now, what the rest
Speaker 1: of the world didn't know is, at the same time,
Speaker 1: my father has dementia. So I'm losing my dad right
Speaker 1: and I'm losing my dad at the same time. I'm
Speaker 1: not talking about like I don't I'm not looking for
Speaker 1: anybody feel sorry for me. I'm just saying I am
Speaker 1: a person. There's stuff that happens in the course of
Speaker 1: a life that somebody else doesn't understand, and it is
Speaker 1: what it is. What about relationships? Do you have elder
Speaker 1: women that call you out on things that you do
Speaker 1: in relationships that you need to do differently. Absolutely, they'll
Speaker 1: don't stop me. I'm like, well, this is what I'm
Speaker 1: going to do. I don't do that quick. I used to.
Speaker 1: I used to you should never fall in love. When
Speaker 1: you fall, you get hurt. You're supposed to grow in
Speaker 1: love with people. I agree. I agree. It takes time.
Speaker 1: It takes time, but you kind of. My grandmother told
Speaker 1: me that the man is the stem and the woman
Speaker 1: is the flower, and he must always be looking up
Speaker 1: at her, and the stem gets stuck in the flower
Speaker 1: too exactly. Hey, yeah, yeah, you feel me. But he's
Speaker 1: the root and she's the blossom. From that. From that
Speaker 1: and I she always told me that the men know
Speaker 1: before we do. You guys know, at some point, tell me,
Speaker 1: did you look at your wife and say that's my wife? Yes,
Speaker 1: that's what Apparently that's why I know exactly when that happened,
Speaker 1: was shot at me too. When did he tell you?
Speaker 1: He was laying it here on the floor, almost dead
Speaker 1: from de hijason and exhaustion, running around doing whatever he
Speaker 1: was doing and calling me job. He goes like this,
Speaker 1: I gotta get my girl back. I'm getting married, so
Speaker 1: I've done. I remember that bottom growls that was in
Speaker 1: the collub drinking your bottles. They don't care about you,
Speaker 1: But when you was, when you was laying on me,
Speaker 1: and he didn't even care, We didn't care. We were
Speaker 1: you coming to work tomorrow way to keep it real, okay,
Speaker 1: And that's how he true. You know, those men know,
Speaker 1: we just know we know who the one is now
Speaker 1: even if we and it's your job to convince us
Speaker 1: that absolutely convince convince me that you're different, that you're different,
Speaker 1: and that this is sincere and that you mean what
Speaker 1: you say. And that's a part of the beautiful you know,
Speaker 1: the whole Oh that I love that part. Convince me,
Speaker 1: show up. It never stops, though, because for some reason,
Speaker 1: women are never really truly convinced. And I guess that
Speaker 1: keeps us on our toes because you'll be taking like
Speaker 1: two steps forward and one step backward. That's why I
Speaker 1: think a lot of times you'll do like some great
Speaker 1: stuff and then all of a sudden you do something
Speaker 1: that's a red flag. Men. You heard just say that
Speaker 1: we're men? Yeah, and then you know what guys have
Speaker 1: to say, Well, I'm a working progress. That's the guy's
Speaker 1: I'm a work in progress. Done stamp on me. I'm
Speaker 1: on a working progress. We all are, but where we
Speaker 1: all make decisions we can't make and try our best
Speaker 1: to stick by them. Like I'm like you said, your
Speaker 1: name is albums a woman. I'm still trying to figure
Speaker 1: out why, at this point in your life you feel
Speaker 1: like a woman because you've been married, you've got a child,
Speaker 1: like yeah, why now? And I'm holding myself to another
Speaker 1: level of accountability. I think I used to blame whoever
Speaker 1: it was that hurt my feelings, like they were wrong,
Speaker 1: you know, And now I hold myself accountable a r.
Speaker 1: You chose that person, you accepted his you accepted it,
Speaker 1: you went forward, You bit into the apple, you you
Speaker 1: bought the wooden nickel. You know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: did that. The accountability is a big position and being
Speaker 1: a woman and being an adult, um, not just being
Speaker 1: an adult, but officially owning your womanhood because a lot
Speaker 1: of times we have these fantasies as girls or how
Speaker 1: it's going to be and who he's going to be
Speaker 1: and if he hurts my feelings and he hurt feelings,
Speaker 1: well men have feelings too, they do and and it
Speaker 1: takes two to tango. So are you in a relationship
Speaker 1: right now? SIPs coffee, sip cappuccino. Sent about Bill Colony.
Speaker 1: Very interesting what you said though, because you said you're
Speaker 1: taking accountability for you, so you can't be a woman,
Speaker 1: like like, a marriage don't make you a woman, A
Speaker 1: child will make you a woman? Has to be something
Speaker 1: within you. Yes, yes, and that takes time. You got
Speaker 1: to earn your stripes. You know, you gotta get down
Speaker 1: on the ground, have a heartbreak. Look at yourself, really
Speaker 1: look at yourself, the choices that your mother made. How
Speaker 1: did you end up here? Why did you get here
Speaker 1: and then start making some changes? Right? What do you
Speaker 1: think has contributed to your growth the most in your life?
Speaker 1: If you could pinpoint one thing, you said, this is
Speaker 1: what made me grow. My son. I knew at having
Speaker 1: a child that'll do it. My son, Yeah, because he
Speaker 1: sees me. It's not like I confront with him, like
Speaker 1: he sees me like everything's all right, baby. He's like,
Speaker 1: I just saw you crying. He told me not too
Speaker 1: long ago, he told me that women have to tough up.
Speaker 1: I was telling him I was afraid. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm scared, and he was just like, mommy, women just
Speaker 1: have to tough up. I don't know if it's that easy.
Speaker 1: I was just having this conversation with somebody else said
Speaker 1: about how women are so vulnerable, and you know, it's
Speaker 1: the same thing because I have a daughter. So you
Speaker 1: start to see different things. Women have different things they
Speaker 1: have to deal with, especially a black woman. They got
Speaker 1: to deal with racism and feminism, which is that's kind
Speaker 1: of hard. He kind of leaves you open all the time.
Speaker 1: It can Well, the thing is about being open, is
Speaker 1: you have to for me anyway, I believe that you
Speaker 1: have to make the decision on how much you open
Speaker 1: and where you do, you know, giving a little bit
Speaker 1: at a time, giving a little bit. If you're in
Speaker 1: a relationship, why should why should he see everything? What
Speaker 1: happened I'll say for me anyway, what happened for me
Speaker 1: is the kind of relationship that I had with the
Speaker 1: last dude. I'm trying to have with the next dude
Speaker 1: because that's the kind of relationship I like. Right Well,
Speaker 1: it's a whole different person with a whole different you know,
Speaker 1: you're trying to date the same person in different skin,
Speaker 1: you know, or you are dating the same person in
Speaker 1: different skin, So you end up missing out on what
Speaker 1: you really need because you're looking at what you want.
Speaker 1: Women look at what they need more than what they want. Necessity.
Speaker 1: Am I choosing a fabulous pair of shoes? Or am
Speaker 1: I choosing a healthy meal? Am I choosing this house
Speaker 1: that I can't afford? Or am I choosing to live
Speaker 1: within my life, in my budget, within my budget, within
Speaker 1: my circumstance. So I ain't got to worry. It's it's
Speaker 1: it's about making decisions and I'm not saying you got
Speaker 1: to stick by them, but you have to look at
Speaker 1: the bigger picture than what you want right now. Because
Speaker 1: that's what girls do their children and in a sense,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, that's what kids do. Kids
Speaker 1: get what they want. They don't think about I need
Speaker 1: to eat vegetables because you know I need to, you know,
Speaker 1: have a proper movement, nothing about stuff like that. Younger girls,
Speaker 1: if you don't know, yeah, I mean that's what that's
Speaker 1: where kids are with it. And a lot of women,
Speaker 1: or I'll say a lot of grown girls. Grown girls,
Speaker 1: you know, they make their their decisions on their life
Speaker 1: based on what they want, not what you need. Man,
Speaker 1: do you think women know how much power they have?
Speaker 1: Because I know this is the thought that now. I
Speaker 1: feel like if women came together and created an organization,
Speaker 1: I feel like they'd be more powerful than the ADF
Speaker 1: And I think glad like women can shut you down. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We make decisions about what we're going to accept in
Speaker 1: what we want, able to change a whole lot of
Speaker 1: things in this society, a whole lot of change. If
Speaker 1: we decided that we don't like guys that show their
Speaker 1: underwear in the street, I'm gonna give you about a
Speaker 1: good month. Nobody's gonna be showing their underwear. Nobody's gonna
Speaker 1: be showing the I'm telling you. We we make a
Speaker 1: decision and say that we need someone that reads a
Speaker 1: book that I can have a conversation with. We need
Speaker 1: that it's a requirement before I even let you touch it.
Speaker 1: Things are gonna change. I do feel like women set
Speaker 1: the tone in relationships in life. In life, God's only
Speaker 1: doing what girls, except we dress a certain that's more
Speaker 1: power than me. No. I don't know who's gonna tell
Speaker 1: them that though, But that's I mean, that's what happens
Speaker 1: with girls. I mean, being a girl is an awesome, fun, crazy, wild,
Speaker 1: beautiful experience except for when we got the money about it.
Speaker 1: But being a woman there's something so fulfilling, and so
Speaker 1: it's like it's like somebody turned the light on and
Speaker 1: you can just see, like, oh, that's where I've been
Speaker 1: bugging all of this time. You know, I've been this dude.
Speaker 1: Like for instance, there's a song on the album called
Speaker 1: The Lighthouse. It's called Lighthouse, And initially she's saying that, um,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm here for you, you know, for whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm your rock, and it sounds like to me, it
Speaker 1: sounds like, you know, they make love. That's what it
Speaker 1: sounds like musically it does. But then afterwards she has
Speaker 1: a moment where she's saying, I'm sitting here contemplating if
Speaker 1: if we should even be you know, I've got I
Speaker 1: have a man that loves me for me. He do
Speaker 1: anything easily for his heart knows no boundaries. But he
Speaker 1: needs he needs sometimes to right with a different pen
Speaker 1: on different paper. He needs to cheat every now and listen,
Speaker 1: that thing right there preaching some thoughtful I'm not saying.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that he needs.
Speaker 1: Not every man needs to to to be a philanderer.
Speaker 1: Not every man has to have a whole bunch of women,
Speaker 1: women to feel solid in whom they are and who
Speaker 1: they are, or uh, just because they like it, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Not every man needs that. But
Speaker 1: if you have one of those, can you deal with that?
Speaker 1: And that's your decision. That is your decision, and once
Speaker 1: you make it, make it. It shouldn't be your decision.
Speaker 1: If the man's doing what he's supposed to do, And
Speaker 1: by that I mean not getting caught cheating. It ain't
Speaker 1: get cheating. In this case, she knows that he needs
Speaker 1: to do that right And I don't I personally, as
Speaker 1: a woman, I don't want to live in a relationship
Speaker 1: where you got secrets that you have this other life
Speaker 1: that I'm not privy to. If you have another life,
Speaker 1: go go to that other life. Because I'm trying to
Speaker 1: be your ace, you'd be surprised. But if you tell
Speaker 1: a woman you want and need from a relationship that
Speaker 1: they might really be okay with it, rather than if
Speaker 1: you do it without saying anything and then she finds
Speaker 1: out and now you have a secret for me. If
Speaker 1: somebody has information, it is true, it is true, but
Speaker 1: that's it. But also I believe that that's a difference
Speaker 1: between dealing with a woman and a girl. A girl,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know for the time being.
Speaker 1: For the time being, a woman might be all for
Speaker 1: it too. I'm not. I'm listening. Just just to be
Speaker 1: clear with you, I'm not judgmental. I'm not. What I
Speaker 1: do is I make observations about people, life and things.
Speaker 1: That's my job. I'm a journalist that happens to sing
Speaker 1: the reports. That's what I do. If you're honest about
Speaker 1: what you need, you just might get it. You just
Speaker 1: might get it and be happy. Now, don't go home
Speaker 1: and jump off the like Nope, I'm not gonna do it. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean to believe me, I'm just gotten. I'm definitely
Speaker 1: in a position to get exactly what it is that
Speaker 1: I want. And that's what it's got to be, not want,
Speaker 1: forgive me, forgive me. I've had what I want to need,
Speaker 1: what I need, what I needed. I don't know about everybody.
Speaker 1: This just got need. I need a partner. I need
Speaker 1: somebody that can understand what it is that my life is.
Speaker 1: That UM can check me and not in a disrespectful
Speaker 1: way or woman bow down kind of way, but yo,
Speaker 1: you need to show for a minute for real, and
Speaker 1: then the mutual respect that says to me, you have
Speaker 1: nothing in you that wants harm for me, nothing you
Speaker 1: love me. Let me sit down for a men and
Speaker 1: trust and have faith in that. That's what I need.
Speaker 1: I need that kind of relationship. I need somebody who
Speaker 1: likes to go to lows. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like I like to fix stuff around my house, participate,
Speaker 1: and what I'm saying, I need someone who's gonna show
Speaker 1: up to the crib with with some paper towels, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, some toilet paper, Like you're gonna
Speaker 1: be here, right, you know you're not gonna use paper
Speaker 1: towels you. I'm just no, no, no, no, no, no
Speaker 1: no no no. I just I I need I need
Speaker 1: my ace, you know what I mean, someone that really
Speaker 1: understands and enjoys and loves the things that I love
Speaker 1: and wants to support the things that I love, and
Speaker 1: has things that I love about them that they want
Speaker 1: me to support them in. And I enjoy it. And
Speaker 1: it sounds so simple. It's so simple. It's so simple.
Speaker 1: It's it's really not rocket science. We put all this
Speaker 1: other stuff on it. Oh he gotta have um, he
Speaker 1: gotta have a sixth pack in a Bugatti. He gotta
Speaker 1: have this, that, that, that, that, and that not all
Speaker 1: of the stuff that at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it looks nice, but that whip can be crashed, that
Speaker 1: house can be burnt. You know, those those abs I
Speaker 1: mean letting me too much or not work out or whatever.
Speaker 1: They dissipay, they disappear, and what do you have? All
Speaker 1: of your wants are checked, they're gone, and now you
Speaker 1: got this guy with none of the stuff that you wanted.
Speaker 1: That's not that lows with me. That's not bringing over.
Speaker 1: Note to No, that's not participating in life. I need
Speaker 1: you to participate in life. We want to live right right.
Speaker 1: That means that maybe you cook tonight, maybe maybe we
Speaker 1: have a chef, Maybe maybe maybe I cook, Maybe you
Speaker 1: mock the floor. I'm just saying, in order for things
Speaker 1: to stay, it's some modicum of normality which I believe in.
Speaker 1: I don't want to get too fancy that I forget
Speaker 1: that I'm Joyce's daughter and Bill's child. I don't want
Speaker 1: to forget that. I don't want to forget that. I
Speaker 1: can tell you grew up around a lot of loving
Speaker 1: relationships like you saw a lot of healthy relationship and
Speaker 1: I love seeing it. I love seeing it. I don't
Speaker 1: know how it is that I'm gonna tell you what
Speaker 1: happened as a girl, I forgot what was important. I'm
Speaker 1: supposed to be adored. You're supposed to be adored. Your
Speaker 1: wife is supposed to be adored like the flower. Get it.
Speaker 1: That's that's how you know when you are when you
Speaker 1: are loved and appreciated for not for having your weave
Speaker 1: tight today and they might not be, or your nails
Speaker 1: done or or you know, the pooch might be sitting
Speaker 1: out today or whatever the case is. Like, have someone
Speaker 1: that appreciates who you are, regardless. That means it's past
Speaker 1: being male or female. It's being it's love. It's way
Speaker 1: past that. I think we put a lot of for
Speaker 1: lack of a better if we put a lot of
Speaker 1: ball on things that really matter. Right. So that's you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry if I sound like I'm preaching you, that's
Speaker 1: really not my not I'm just hanging out with these
Speaker 1: older chicks. So I has to do with the album Women,
Speaker 1: And you wanted to know why the album is called Women,
Speaker 1: and these are all the reasons. Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 1: I was a long way around. But you know, when
Speaker 1: you're getting talk show man, I'm not you need to sell.
Speaker 1: You gotta give it like this with just got it
Speaker 1: to the masses. For everybody that's not listening to your music,
Speaker 1: which you should be, but for some people don't need
Speaker 1: to hear your your your wisdom. I feel like you're
Speaker 1: full of knowledge was and you got a nice warm
Speaker 1: I think through your music and your performances that is
Speaker 1: like my talk show for a while. You need to talk.
Speaker 1: You could be the new over for you, and you
Speaker 1: got It's like when you talk, it's like I feel
Speaker 1: like you're gonna burt me and then let me lay
Speaker 1: on your bullsom you know what I mean. Like it's
Speaker 1: just warm. Maybe I don't know. I don't know. There's
Speaker 1: much to do, There's a lot to do. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: really excited about about my future. I'm really excited about that.
Speaker 1: So just in case something happens and somebody tells you
Speaker 1: that I killed myself, fuck, no, no, no, on everything
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, on everything, everything ever good, that ever
Speaker 1: happened in my life, that that is something that I
Speaker 1: would not do. Feel me, anybody hearing me out there? Yes,
Speaker 1: all right, not just saying. I'm just saying just in
Speaker 1: case somebody says that I did that, I'm saying right
Speaker 1: here that definitely not happened. I'm willing to go through
Speaker 1: the fire. Do you have those concerns now? Of course?
Speaker 1: Of course? How do how do we not have those
Speaker 1: concerns that black women are very vulnerable, like my homebod
Speaker 1: was like women got all the power. I'm saying they do,
Speaker 1: but they're still so vulnerable. Do you understand how much
Speaker 1: we need you? Brothers? Do you do you? Do you
Speaker 1: grasp how necessary you are? Do you see what's happening
Speaker 1: with our kids? Do you do you? Are you paying
Speaker 1: attention that they're building more prisons and tearing down schools?
Speaker 1: Do you see what's happening? How necessary you are? Not
Speaker 1: just your presence, but your voice and your your your command.
Speaker 1: We need we need you wide awake. We need you
Speaker 1: so desperately, so deeply. Whatever it is that you have planned,
Speaker 1: keep it in the dark. Revolution does not happen in
Speaker 1: the light. It happens in the darkness. Normally some smoke involved.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, jazz was not invented in the broad daylight.
Speaker 1: It was invented in small, tiny places with a lot
Speaker 1: of smoke in the air and people were being themselves.
Speaker 1: You can't videotape it, you can't blog about it. You
Speaker 1: can you can't do any of that stuff. It has
Speaker 1: to be quiet and focused, and then you bring in
Speaker 1: people who mean and do good that are focused on that,
Speaker 1: not just everybody because it looks nice. That just people
Speaker 1: that want to hashtage and instagram and post pictures. But
Speaker 1: the hashtag right right, If we if we want to
Speaker 1: make a change, it's got to be done quietly. First
Speaker 1: focus the direction and then make that direction happen. Focus
Speaker 1: bringing people that you need. What do you need? You
Speaker 1: need people that thoroughly understand the law and all the
Speaker 1: addendums and amendums and all that other foolishness that are
Speaker 1: added to laws. You need somebody that understands it, really
Speaker 1: really understands it. Then you needn't. I'm not sure about politicians.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think I don't either. I
Speaker 1: guess you kind of do it because when you look
Speaker 1: at people like Martin VI. King Jr. He needed John F.
Speaker 1: Kennedy and Linda B. Johnson to make the civil rights
Speaker 1: like in nineteen sixty four happened. So you kind of
Speaker 1: do for like laws of the land. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think you do for revolution, right, the true revolution,
Speaker 1: and it's it's and it has no color. Revolution doesn't
Speaker 1: have a color. It is people this siding that what
Speaker 1: is happening is incorrect. Absolutely, it's not beneficial to the society.
Speaker 1: It's not the beneficial to the people when foods have
Speaker 1: more stuff than food in them, right. I was just
Speaker 1: talking about this yesterday. That's Craig. Craig, how do you
Speaker 1: expect people to to thrive and grow and survive and
Speaker 1: be saying? How do you expect that? Right? You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Joe Scott, Ladies and gentlemen, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: if I got heavy on I'm sorry. I wanted to
Speaker 1: ask you about bj the Chicago Kitty is the only
Speaker 1: him because I like the Chicago kid. But I was
Speaker 1: just wondering what made you decide he was the one
Speaker 1: feature for the album. There were a lot of people
Speaker 1: that I tried BJ. Um. First of all, I fell
Speaker 1: in love to his first record, Pineapple Now Lads is
Speaker 1: still one of my favorite records of all time. Um.
Speaker 1: I heard his voice and it's it's it's so reminiscent
Speaker 1: of everything that's good about music, and he's got this
Speaker 1: clear understanding of what soul is. I'm absolutely I'm I'm
Speaker 1: excited about him. So he's out on the road with
Speaker 1: me now, you know, Um, I try to walk my
Speaker 1: walk back. You know what I'm saying so um, you know,
Speaker 1: he was the only only feature on the album just
Speaker 1: because Ninth Wonder is involved, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: just like how this feels. This feels beautiful, and I
Speaker 1: wanted Tom to give him a shout out and when
Speaker 1: it's supporting, because I think he's amazing, all right, to
Speaker 1: make sure we put that out there. I feel like
Speaker 1: you and Killer Mike need to do like a revolutionary
Speaker 1: record together. Listen, I'm about that run of Joel's Life. Okay,
Speaker 1: I am so did you hear Oozy? One of my
Speaker 1: favorite ever? Did you did? I'm talking about David Banner's Oozy.
Speaker 1: You have to play It's David Banner and big crit that.
Speaker 1: I got to play that every time, right before I perform.
Speaker 1: I have to play that and it's its own repeat.
Speaker 1: Loving that and obviously you know running Jules. Thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. Appreciate your thought. Thank you. But
Speaker 1: just got albums in stores now. One woman check her
Speaker 1: out on the road. Wait and there's there's one more.
Speaker 1: Please please please, Okay, I don't want to forget push
Speaker 1: your tea okay at all. That man has a perspective
Speaker 1: and he paints it like a surgeon. It's precise how
Speaker 1: he paints his pictures. I love that. Do I agree
Speaker 1: or understand everything that that or you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I've never been in that trap life. I don't get it,
Speaker 1: you know, for myself. But I appreciate the story I did.
Speaker 1: I did, and and I need people to look for
Speaker 1: it is Fool's goal with the remix with Pushing t Yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got a check for that. Please do but thank
Speaker 1: you just that we really appreciate. I'm glad to see you.
Speaker 1: Always a pleasure when you come by. Your skin looks beautiful.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Shout out to doctor Natasha said she's a
Speaker 1: great deb intolergence and doesn't just Scott looked good about
Speaker 1: the way than is one of the baddest out here.
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