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Speaker 1: If you have your own story of being in a

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Speaker 2: Or if you've had experience with manipulation or abusive power

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Speaker 1: Or showed us an email at trustmepod at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 3: Trust me, trust me. I'm like a swat person.

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Speaker 3: To you, I never If.

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Speaker 2: You think that one person has all the answers, don't

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Speaker 2: welcome to Trust Me. The podcast about cult, extreme belief

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Speaker 2: and manipulation from two spies who've actually experienced it.

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Speaker 4: I am Lola Blanc and I'm Megan Elizabeth.

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Speaker 5: Sorry I got so excited.

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Speaker 2: Don't apologize. It's exciting.

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Speaker 3: Today.

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Speaker 2: Our guest is former Russian secret agent what Aliah Rosa.

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Speaker 2: She is the subject of Neil Strauss's new podcast, To

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Speaker 2: Die For. We're going to talk about how her childhood

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Speaker 2: living in Russia with a father who worked for the

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Speaker 2: government primed her to want to serve her country, the

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Speaker 2: and how she was coerced into joining a secret program

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Speaker 2: for sex operations, or what we will call sexpionage.

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Speaker 1: Once she was there grigor warning, we will discuss the

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Speaker 1: seduction and manipulation techniques she learns, such as the circles

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Speaker 1: of how she was sexually abused in school and ended

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Speaker 1: up manipulating her own manipulator to survive, what her first

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Speaker 1: missions were like, and of course whether she ever killed anyone.

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Speaker 2: Plus how she wants to use her knowledge now to

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Speaker 2: help women who are struggling to find love, and of

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Speaker 2: course we will ask her why we should trust her story.

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Speaker 2: Content warning. As Meghan said, there will be some rather

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Speaker 2: graphic descriptions of some sexual assault here, but she is

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Speaker 2: a fascinating person. We are going to ask her to

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Speaker 2: come back for our part too, because there's a lot

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Speaker 4: But it's great until.

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Speaker 2: Then, Megan, what is your cultiest thing of this week?

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Speaker 1: So I've been doing some deep dives on the Titanic.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I don't ask me why, and.

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Speaker 1: You have, as well as producer stap dive.

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Speaker 4: Maybe that was why?

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Speaker 5: Maybe deep dives?

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Speaker 1: Oh fuck wow wow, Okay, I'm speaking in metaphor. So

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Speaker 1: I've been doing some deep dives into the Titanic and

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Speaker 1: I you know, I was just like so curious as

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Speaker 4: They really did play the violin.

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Speaker 2: They really did.

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Speaker 1: Yes, they really did. Men were smoking cigars, talking to

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Speaker 2: And it's fascinating how people react as they think they

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Speaker 2: I was approached about sharing a fundraiser, a go fund

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Speaker 2: just a reminder to people, there are lots of organizations

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately we live in a world where your that Go

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Speaker 2: I know, I know. Unfortunately we live in a world

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Speaker 2: Aliah. Welcome Alia Rosa to trust me in person. Thank

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Speaker 2: I just want to start by addressing one thing, which

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Speaker 2: pickup artists, who I also know, it kind of addresses

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Speaker 2: So people can listen to episode one kind of hearing

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Speaker 2: give us the rundown of why we should believe you?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? I mean everybody has their own opinion, of course,

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Speaker 4: Documents look like is it just like a picture of

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Speaker 3: I would say, the media again about manipulation. The medium

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Speaker 5: Totally manipulation.

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Speaker 2: So you're in doctrinated from a very young age because

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Speaker 3: Simple, like really simple. It's actually like in I think,

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Speaker 3: And I'm sorry, like some women, Okay, I hate that,

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00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,719
Speaker 3: Like I hate that so much that women don't have

440
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 3: any rights there, you know, like in Saudi everything God,

441
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 3: thanks to the latest Shaky Wife.

442
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 5: They actually allow women to drive cars.

443
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 3: Finally, are you kiding with twenty first century?

444
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 2: How? So that's actually interesting because you grew up with

445
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 2: that sort of mentality. How do you square becoming like

446
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 2: a government agent like women can do that? Is this

447
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 2: the only way that women really become government agents through

448
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 2: this like sort of sexpionage?

449
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 5: So that's that's a good question.

450
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 3: And a lot of actually people ask me all since

451
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 3: in my Instagram and like how come like and a

452
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 3: lot of like I see like people like they don't understand,

453
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,120
Speaker 3: and I think it's a really big it's a great

454
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 3: thing question. Thank you. I would love to explain and

455
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 3: hopefully people will understand. So see, my dad believed that

456
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 3: because of his status and high rank, I would be

457
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 3: given only job like sitting in the office and like

458
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 3: just like write some reports, nothing else.

459
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 5: And in the beginning I.

460
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 3: Had this sort of job. But because of the destiny

461
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 3: or because of I don't know, because I was the

462
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 3: best student, or because of my appearance and my look,

463
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 3: maybe because I was too wild and rubilious.

464
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 5: Who knows, I don't know.

465
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 3: I was enrolled to this program, and my father one

466
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 3: hundred percent would never want me to be in this program.

467
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 3: It's like a hundred hundred percent because it's so it

468
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 3: goes so far from the moral t which he in

469
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 3: like impacted in me when he raised me, that you know,

470
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 3: you have to marry being virgin, you know you have

471
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 3: to like obey your husband blah blah blah, and hello sexpanage.

472
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 3: Like I was reaped, I was like worse to have

473
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 3: sex with different teachers during the whole Like think if

474
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 3: I wouldn't kind of like went into that abusive relationship

475
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 3: with the main teacher, I would probably be sorry fucked

476
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 3: by like you know, photo of these teachers like other

477
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 3: female agents.

478
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 5: And they couldn't say anything because and again like.

479
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 3: You would say, because you were born in Americans, a

480
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 3: free country. It would say what the hell why they

481
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 3: wouldn't say no and go fuck yourself and just like

482
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 3: leave the the.

483
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 5: The military, like the whole academy. Like we couldn't.

484
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 3: We just like we literally couldn't because like again, like

485
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 3: we've been so brainwashed, like we when you're born in

486
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 3: Soviet Union countries or like in this for Soviet for

487
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 3: Soviet Union countries, like maybe like I think in China

488
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 3: they also have it.

489
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 5: You cannot say no, like you can't.

490
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: And we see all the same things that we see

491
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: in cults. You know, Russians are the chosen ones. They're

492
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: gonna use making you guys super exhausted, They're gonna.

493
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 4: Controlled like yeah, stimuli like.

494
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 5: You are.

495
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 4: There, You're an a cult essentially.

496
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's the cult of Russia. But then there's also

497
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 2: this school which is literally a brainwashing school. And and

498
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 2: your experience is I mean, first of all, the fact

499
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 2: that women are just sort of systematically raped within this

500
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 2: school is just.

501
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 3: That wouldn't call it rape. It's like part of the program.

502
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 2: Right, right, but as part of his training. But then

503
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 2: also you have you have this additional abusive relationship with

504
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 2: this controlling person who was high ranking with it, you know.

505
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 2: So there's just so many layers of control and indoctrination happening.

506
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: It's I don't know how you're here today.

507
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 3: Seventeen years of therapy, guys.

508
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's a week that will help. Yeah, So

509
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 2: your dad's like you're going to work for the government,

510
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 2: you're gonna go to this like he didn't call it

511
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 2: a spy school, but spy school. But then once you're

512
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 2: at the spy school, then you are recruited into this

513
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 2: sort of other more secretive program that your dad has

514
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 2: no idea about.

515
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 3: I probably shouldn't be recruited because of my dad name, right,

516
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 3: But I'm telling you, like in the podcast when I shared,

517
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 3: like I saw when we will line up the first day,

518
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 3: and the coronel he saw me, and he's straight away,

519
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 3: He's just like put his eyes on me, like straight

520
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 3: like that. And also you know, I cannot say, like

521
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't consider myself being really beautiful, blah

522
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 3: blah blah, but I'm really different from Russian girls. So

523
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 3: all of them blonde, blue eyes, okay, they gave me.

524
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 3: Actually my nickname was Exotic, so I was only one Asian,

525
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 3: you know, very like kind of like exotic look different.

526
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 3: So he straight away puts his eyes on when he's like, okay,

527
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 3: she's the one. She will go like straight so and

528
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 3: again like I couldn't. I didn't even know what was it.

529
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 3: Like in the beginning, I was like, what the hell

530
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 3: is it? Like I just didn't know and then after

531
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 3: after a certain time and after many years, and I

532
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 3: realized that it's been a drop.

533
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: You sort of just I mean, you do you describe

534
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 2: this first sexual assault that you experienced at his hands

535
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 2: in the podcast and first of all harrowing, but also

536
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 2: it's just there's so much he's threatening you with if

537
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: you don't comply. And again, yeah, you can get in

538
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: trouble with him, you get in trouble with the government,

539
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 2: you get in trouble, Like there's so many parents.

540
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 3: It's manipulation, right, it's a direct manipulation.

541
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what was the actual training like once you

542
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 2: were like really in the program, Like what were they

543
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: having you do?

544
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 5: Everything?

545
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 3: So basic subjects are were, of course the gun shooting,

546
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 3: how to use the gun, how to shoot blah blah blah.

547
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: The martial arts of course, which ones.

548
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 3: We did like symbol Somebody, it's like one of the

549
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 3: favorite put in martial arts. We did like all sort

550
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 3: of academic subjects like the law, of course, like different

551
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 3: types of lows like criminal law, administrative law. We had

552
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 3: like subject where we would study how to open doors,

553
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 3: how to put like bags, the technology kind of like

554
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 3: things like so we're to use these bugs microphones and

555
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 3: this kind of you know, new technology kind of like

556
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 3: James bondy things. It wasn't of course that advanced, but

557
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 3: like the basic ones. So we would know, okay, so

558
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 3: if I can put like the bug here and there,

559
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 3: so this will you know, bring the I mean like

560
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 3: it's just like different sort of tools which you can

561
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 3: use to.

562
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 5: Spy for someone.

563
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 3: So that was the main basic of course, a lot

564
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 3: of exercises, a lot a lot of like physical activities

565
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: like NonStop. But then after the main program, me and

566
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,719
Speaker 3: another girls who were choosing for this sex spanage program,

567
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 3: we would go and again like they wouldn't call it

568
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 3: sex spanage program. It was just like a separate subject

569
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 3: which was secret. We were not allowed to share this

570
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 3: you know knowledgies with anyone and even with our classmates

571
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 3: like our male classmates or somebody else, like no one,

572
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:04,959
Speaker 3: and we would go to that separate subjects kind of

573
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 3: like separate lessons, and we would we would be taught

574
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 3: how to I would say eighty percent would be about

575
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 3: psychology how to manipulate, but not in a direct way.

576
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 5: Okay, you do this, I will do this.

577
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 3: This is like really manipulative and silly and direct and

578
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 3: nobody loves it, likes it. We will be taught, like

579
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 3: all the psychological things first, the seduction part, how to

580
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 3: persuade someone, how to please someone, how to give compliments

581
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 3: in the right way, how to make someone to feel good,

582
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 3: because man, they don't fall in love in you because

583
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 3: you're so beautiful, right, They fall in love in the

584
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 3: in this beautiful atmosphere and condition you create around.

585
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 4: Him, So you're love bombing them, Yes.

586
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 3: But in a way where the man feels like I'm

587
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 3: the god, I'm the the man, and only woman can

588
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 3: create this environment about him, like, you know, praise him,

589
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 3: compliment him.

590
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 4: Did they ever train any men to try to suggest raven?

591
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, they call them raven, yes, I mean like they

592
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 3: call them in press whatever in the books. But yeah,

593
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 3: they were like secret male agents. They were taught the

594
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 3: same things. How to please a woman obviously, to make

595
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 3: her feel good, you know, giving great compliments and so on,

596
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 3: be very polite and intentive and be such such a

597
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 3: kind of like a gentleman, sort of like James Bond.

598
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 4: And that could work for men and women, and.

599
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 3: Absolutely and also men would I mean, like some of

600
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: them would need to have sex with the same gender

601
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 3: if the mission would require. So yeah, they would have

602
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 3: like these separate lessons. We were not together wherever they

603
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 3: were studying.

604
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 2: So what were some of the psychological techniques that they

605
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 2: taught you besides like lavishing attention on them? Like you

606
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 2: did mention a specific thing in the podcast you said,

607
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 2: the circles of how technic can you tell us about that?

608
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, of course there's so many techniques. I was,

609
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 3: you know, like when I put everything so the funny thing,

610
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 3: it just came to me and I was like, you

611
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 3: know what, I will not refuse it. So when I

612
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 3: started to share my story first time, I received so

613
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 3: many messages in Instagram from women saying please, I beg

614
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 3: you please help me. My husband is leaving me, or

615
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 3: I feel so ugly, I don't have anyone, I'm single,

616
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 3: I'm like almost forty years old, like what to do?

617
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 3: Or like another girl would say, like I'm like I'm

618
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 3: on a suicide and all this. So it's kind of like,

619
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 3: you know, like created that. It's like it's them who

620
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 3: came to me and say help us. And I believe

621
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 3: in karma. I believe in energy, and I believe in response.

622
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 3: In the university, all connected, all and me sitting here

623
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 3: right now with you. It's a sort of it's not

624
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 3: just coincidence. It is a special connection which will bring

625
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 3: us not just like downloads and whatever, but it will

626
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 3: bring maybe someone a hope, you know, in sort of

627
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 3: like you know, when I was abused and I wanted

628
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 3: to suicide, and I was just twenty one, and I

629
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 3: was laying alone, and I just basically like I was

630
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 3: saying goodbye to my life and everything I didn't have

631
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 3: any hope of, like becoming someone working red carpets of

632
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 3: Constant Festival, sitting here, living in Hollywood, to the city

633
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 3: of my dreams. I would never even dream of it.

634
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 3: Maybe now somebody will listen to this podcast, and some

635
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 3: girls somewhere in like god knowswhere, would say I'm right now,

636
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 3: I've been abused, I'm being raped. I don't have anyone

637
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 3: to support me. Maybe this will give her a hope

638
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 3: that look at me after. Yes it's not quick, Yes

639
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 3: it took me a lot of and a lot of work,

640
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 3: but where I am right now, you know, like I

641
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 3: would love to share this and give this. You know,

642
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 3: knowledge is for good, so KGB. Knowledge is because like

643
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 3: you know, putting is a former KGB agent it's kind

644
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 3: of like evil, right, But what if we can use.

645
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 5: And that's what I'm trying to do.

646
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 3: If we can use KGB techniques for good? And when

647
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 3: you ask me this question, like what techniques we started, Yes,

648
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 3: of course they were very manipulative because our goal mainly

649
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 3: was to seduce the victim to target quickly and either

650
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 3: terminate either hook him up on sex in order to

651
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 3: get information. And it was, of course very manipulative, like

652
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 3: circles of health, very manipulative technique which I don't give

653
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 3: to my students. So when I put all these knowledges

654
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 3: together and when I counted, like, there's techniques there over,

655
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 3: I don't know, like oh two hungry for sure, different different,

656
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 3: different techniques. And it's my responsibility not to share to

657
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 3: the world manipulative not sustainable techniques because I don't want

658
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 3: somebody to use it for yes, you know, not sustainable goals.

659
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: Right, I'm just gonna quickly interject because so my connection

660
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 2: to Neil is that when I was younger, I was

661
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 2: a freelance writer for Vice, and I happened to know

662
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: a couple of the guys who ran his seduction program

663
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 2: at the time. But I went on one of these

664
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 2: weekends of these like pickup artists, like war seminars, workshops,

665
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: and on its face, the way it is frequently I

666
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 2: should say, practiced seduction can be very manipulative, very dark,

667
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 2: very sexist, very like bad. However, what I witnessed in

668
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 2: Neil's program, there were these men who were really desperate

669
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: and had like grown as men who had never kissed

670
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: a woman, and like just really did not know how

671
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: to attract women and really actually genuinely needed help. And

672
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: by that point, like the sort of sexist part of

673
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 2: this just from neil program specifically at that point when

674
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: I did it, when I was there, had sort of

675
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 2: gone away and it was all about like self improvement

676
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 2: and just basic attraction techniques instead of this like manipulative

677
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 2: like make her feel bad or whatever, so veryggang, like negang,

678
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 2: or like talking to her friend instead of her, you know,

679
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 2: to take her down a peck whatever, So very much

680
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 2: connect with what you're saying. There are techniques that can

681
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 2: be used for bad, and then there are techniques that

682
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 2: can be used to actually help people who just want

683
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 2: love like that that is a very real thing.

684
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 5: And self esteem and self love.

685
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 3: That's exactly what so as a coach eventually when all

686
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 3: these girls they like, you know, please help us. So

687
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 3: I studied in Kinsey Institute, I did a lot of

688
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 3: coaching programs, and I became a coach because like it's

689
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 3: you see, like it's my responsibility to give to the

690
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 3: world sustainable things and sustainable tactics and techniques rather than manipulative,

691
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 3: because I don't want, you see, like as an energy.

692
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 3: If I send laugh, I'll receive love. If I send

693
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 3: negativity manipulative things, that's exactly what I will receive. And

694
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 3: your aura is so important. So like the rule number one,

695
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 3: and you just mentioned this guy who was in Nurdish

696
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 3: never kiss a girl and blah blah blah. I have

697
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 3: exactly the same students coming to me, and they come

698
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 3: to me because they see through me. They would love

699
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 3: to be like me, right, And they're about like in

700
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,479
Speaker 3: the twenties thirties. I'm much older now, and they see

701
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 3: the final destination. They're like, I want to be like you,

702
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 3: So how do I do that? And I see in

703
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 3: them me, you know, twenty years ago, like seventeen years ago,

704
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 3: being that girl like ugly duckling, scared of like I

705
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 3: never kissed a boy when I was enrolled to that school,

706
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 3: when I was raped first time, I never kissed a boy, like,

707
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 3: never even hold these hands, like I was so neurdish, ugly,

708
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 3: duckling pinpoles all over my face, like really really, you know, no,

709
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 3: like absolutely no self love, no self estim So the

710
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 3: first rule of seduction is loving yourself. To love yourself.

711
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 5: This is number one.

712
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 3: If you love yourself, people automatically feel it and they

713
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 3: will be attracted to you. And then when you love

714
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 3: yourself and you have like these self esteems of confidence

715
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 3: and self love, and there are certain techniques which again

716
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 3: like I shared to my students, and this guy from

717
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 3: the program, probably that's what he needed. And when you

718
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 3: have all these knowledges, it just gives you confidence because

719
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 3: you know, like, okay, so if I know how to

720
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,280
Speaker 3: do blah blah blah, this is instruction, I feel confident

721
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 3: right because like I know how to do it, so

722
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 3: the theory I know, so then I do the practice

723
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 3: and the circle of how technique I actually when I

724
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 3: shared it, when you ask me about this, it's a

725
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 3: very manipulative technique, but I used it. I use it

726
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 3: on that coronel who abused me and rate me and so.

727
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 3: But in that way, it was almost like surviving mode.

728
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 5: That's why I use it.

729
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 2: Like self defense manipulation.

730
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 3: Exactly because I had to survive because I wanted to,

731
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 3: you know, to be alive by the end of the

732
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 3: program and not being like great by many of them.

733
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 3: And you know, it's just like what was terrible. So

734
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 3: the circle of hell, how I give right now to

735
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 3: my students is basically it's very close to cold and

736
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 3: warm technique, and you know it when it's so. For example,

737
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 3: in the center it's you. And in the center of

738
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 3: this circle is the hope to have sex with you.

739
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 3: What man want when they see when he sees a woman,

740
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 3: he wants to have sex. It's normal, it's it's a

741
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 3: nature great So he wants to have sex with you,

742
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 3: and you give him a hope. The woman have to

743
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 3: build her value. So when she builds the value of

744
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 3: her personality and man up shades her as not just

745
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 3: a body, as a woman, as a human being than

746
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 3: when they have sex. And it doesn't matter when exactly

747
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 3: like you know, first or second day or whatever. Then

748
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 3: the whole perspective of having this connection with the woman

749
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 3: is different. For a man then he got more attached

750
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 3: to her. The center is you and hope to have

751
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 3: sex with you. Then you create all these circles around

752
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 3: you as more as you can, whatever, as well as

753
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 3: you want. Then you place the man in different circle

754
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 3: for example, right, and if he does something good, for example,

755
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 3: he sends you flowers I don't know, invite you for

756
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 3: a dinner, blah blah blah, like behaving as a gentleman.

757
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 3: You allow him a little bit closer to you, giving

758
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 3: him more hope. So for example, a kiss I don't know,

759
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 3: like you hold his hand blah blah blah. If he

760
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 3: does something wrong, he didn't call you, he didn't reply

761
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 3: to your message for a long time, blah blah blah,

762
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 3: you don't kind of like become a sterical and like,

763
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 3: oh you didn't reply blah blah blah, Like you know

764
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 3: all this drama nobody wants and nobody needs. You basically

765
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 3: distant yourself, and you kind of put him on this

766
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 3: is the cult position, Like you put him in a

767
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 3: little bit like further on another circle and you kind

768
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 3: of like ignore him. And this is ignorance. It is

769
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 3: the yes. Ignorance is the biggest manipulation much bigger than

770
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 3: you know, fights, arguments, blah blah blah wherever. So the

771
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 3: guy obviously feels it. He's like, what happened? She was

772
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 3: so nice to me, we had like the da da da,

773
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 3: and now like she doesn't even respond to me, like

774
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,240
Speaker 3: something is wrong. So he tries harder because he still

775
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 3: wants this sex with you. He has this hope. So

776
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 3: you kind of like put the carrot in front of him,

777
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 3: but not like, Okay, here is a carriage, You're welcome,

778
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 3: let's do it. No, you place the carrot like that,

779
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 3: and you can place the carrot for like years months

780
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 3: when you want, and like basically lead him in these

781
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 3: different circles of how closer, like further, closer, further, closer, further.

782
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 2: So you're almost almost acting like a cult leader where

783
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 2: you're giving them that like intermittent reward traumaize. Yeah, yeah,

784
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 2: yeah exactly. Do not recommend this for the start of

785
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 2: a healthy relationship.

786
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 3: You guys, absolutely not.

787
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: Bring us back to your life at that time. You're

788
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: doing this to get information to get Yes.

789
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 3: So with Coral Colonial Coronel. So in the beginning, he

790
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 3: abused me, right, so he was like that you choose

791
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 3: me for this, like stupid bloody program. Then he like

792
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 3: literally said like okay, it's like suck me right now.

793
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 3: And I was like, what the hell that guy?

794
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 5: I don't know when a hawk to keys.

795
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 3: I mean, like seriously horrible man. I had to use

796
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 3: the same techniques which he used on me because obviously

797
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 3: he was very experienced, high ranking officer blah blah blah.

798
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 3: So I wanted to use that in order to become

799
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 3: his protege, in order to become his lover, in order

800
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 3: to protect myself from all this you know, other orges

801
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 3: whatever happening with other female students.

802
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm curious about the orgies because I wasn't able

803
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 2: to listen to that fall up and you were tell.

804
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 3: Me about actually like we never really went deep into

805
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 3: that topic. So Neil just mentioned.

806
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:33,919
Speaker 5: There were like some orges and all that.

807
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 3: But okay, so look, I mean we lived in dorm,

808
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 3: right And then somebody would come, like one of the

809
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 3: titians say, okay, so you you you today you have

810
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 3: like the orges.

811
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 2: And I was like, this wasn't like people deciding to

812
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: have orgers together.

813
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 3: This was like like order like order you you you.

814
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 5: Let's it go.

815
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 3: And I was like, funk, I don't want to do

816
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 3: it or whatever, Like what did.

817
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 2: It and why did they say that? They want expected that?

818
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 5: Do you mean like teachers?

819
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, well because the horny motherfuckers.

820
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: True.

821
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 3: No, because like they basically used their power in order

822
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 3: to please themselves. I mean they are fifty sixty years

823
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 3: old gross men, right, and they're like twenty years old freshmen.

824
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

825
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: But what they try to spin it for you like

826
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: that you're learning something exactly.

827
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 3: What they say, like you learned theory, now you need

828
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 3: to practice in order to pass your exams.

829
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 2: Oh my god. So they are marketing it to you,

830
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: as to all of you as like, yeah, this is

831
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 2: part of your training, this is this is part of

832
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 2: your That is so disgusting.

833
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 3: It's disgusting. But you know what, I don't know. It's

834
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 3: actually like I don't know. I mean, like I became

835
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 3: who I am because of all that. Right, So after

836
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 3: therapy and all that, I feel just sorrow. I don't

837
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 3: feel any hate or like anxiety or whatever. Just feel

838
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 3: sorrow that even this man, they were part of this

839
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 3: big brainwashing system and they just were following what they

840
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 3: saw themselves. Maybe they were raped in the beginning when

841
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 3: they were twenty years old. You know, they all coming

842
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 3: not from helsy background.

843
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 2: So very empathetic perspective, and then they were susceptible to

844
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 2: the same training they were giving you you were using

845
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,399
Speaker 2: on them, which is we you.

846
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 3: See, Like the point is that, like I wanted to survive, right,

847
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 3: and I wanted to survive in a better condition rather

848
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 3: than all my girls being like raped and like being

849
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 3: fucked like that. And like again, because I was coming

850
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 3: from very religious like Muslim background, like my body is

851
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,919
Speaker 3: my church, Like I appreciate my VideA of my body.

852
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 3: I love myself, like I couldn't allow any whoever, like

853
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 3: men just go and like you know, take me just

854
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 3: like and then it was like one thing, what exactly happened?

855
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 5: You know, when I was just walking in.

856
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 3: The corridor, the guy, one of the high ranking my colleagues,

857
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 3: sort of like classmate, but he was in another course,

858
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 3: he just grabbed me, put me on the floor and

859
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 3: just fucked me. And I was laying like this and

860
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 3: I couldn't say anything. I was just laying like a

861
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 3: miserable beach, like a dog, and he just did his

862
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 3: stuff and I was still laying and he didn't even

863
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 3: say anything, and she's just like walked away. That was disgusting.

864
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 3: That was a fucking disgusting thing. And I was like,

865
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 3: I cannot allow any man just take my body like that,

866
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 3: Like I can't one thing. I sacrificed my body for

867
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 3: saving under age kidnapped girls for the sex trafficking.

868
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 5: That's my liddnk.

869
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 3: I'm doing this for them. Fuck that, like I you know, yes,

870
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 3: I appreciate my bide, but I sacrificed my body willingly

871
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 3: to help someone.

872
00:47:58,239 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 5: That's another story.

873
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 3: But when i'm man just comes to grabs your body

874
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 3: and just fuck you for his own, like wherever please,

875
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 3: Like I can't allow that.

876
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 5: I couldn't.

877
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 2: And was that what sort of led you to decide, Okay,

878
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make the colonel fall in love with me

879
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 2: so that I'm protected from these other.

880
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 3: Well, I didn't want him to fall in love completely

881
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 3: because too far. And then he proposed her with crazy

882
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 3: stuff like it.

883
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 4: And he had a wife and kids.

884
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 3: He was married that time, and he had like two daughters.

885
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 3: A daughter was older than me. The funny thing is

886
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 3: it like a few years older. So it was like, also,

887
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 3: you know, like I didn't want him to fall in love.

888
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,240
Speaker 3: I just wanted him to protect me, to say, like, Okay,

889
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 3: this is my girl, this is my protege, do not

890
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 3: touch her. I fuck her, that's all. Like you know,

891
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 3: I'm an alpha, this is my woman, do not fuck her.

892
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 5: That's it.

893
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 3: So I wanted that. I didn't want him to fall

894
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 3: in love, and I never wanted to, Like I literally

895
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 3: hated the guy.

896
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, what an insane situation to be in.

897
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 2: The choices you had to make for your own survival

898
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 2: are choices that nobody should ever have to make.

899
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 3: Yes, But you know, as a woman, you know, and

900
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 3: we women, and again let's not forget it's still men's

901
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 3: world number one. And women just got our race. I

902
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 3: mean only here in America and a couple European countries,

903
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 3: but the rest of the world, no, they still do

904
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 3: not have the rights. Women cannot be educated in certain countries.

905
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 3: I mean, how crazy is that. We fight for our raids,

906
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 3: you know, and we are women, like you're bond women.

907
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 3: We when we were born as a female, we already

908
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 3: have a position, had a position of like being under

909
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 3: the man. The man is the sea or the president

910
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 3: blah blah blah. Okay, so we have to adapt to

911
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 3: this man's world and how to adapt. If you will

912
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 3: confront men, what will happen. We'll go to jail, will

913
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 3: be killed, we will be raided, blah blah blah. That's

914
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,959
Speaker 3: exactly what would be happening to me if I would

915
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 3: say fuck off, I don't want to sleep with you.

916
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 3: That's in the second second part, which is coming fast June.

917
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 3: I will not spoil it for you, but that was

918
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 3: a part when I said fuck of no, and I

919
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 3: had to pay a very big price for that. I

920
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 3: was almost killed a couple times. And I will not

921
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 3: say it, but like I had to pay for my noo.

922
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 5: So instead of.

923
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 3: Confronting a force, any force in a job relationship, any

924
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 3: like love relationship, wherever, friendship, instead of confronting, you'd rather

925
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 3: softly manipulate nicely, where you make someone to have a

926
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 3: desire to help you, support you, and protect you, because

927
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 3: you create this desire in him or in her, And

928
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 3: that's the highest skill of manipulation.

929
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 2: Wow. So I don't want to do any spoilers, but

930
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 2: I want to know when you graduated from the school.

931
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 2: First of all, what did that look like?

932
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 5: I thought when I graduated?

933
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 3: I thought okay. So next no, I thought that, Okay,

934
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 3: my fraid am now like nobody will touch me.

935
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 5: I'm like untouchable.

936
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 3: I can do whatever. I thought that till the moment

937
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 3: the coronel were protecting me, till the moment he said

938
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 3: marry me and all that bullshit. So I graduated with

939
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 3: feeling that Okay, thank god I survived that. So this

940
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 3: is like that kind of like period of my life

941
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 3: has ended, thank god. So I was looking for kind

942
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 3: of like I thought I will be having better free life,

943
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:50,439
Speaker 3: but it became even worse, more dangerous.

944
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:55,280
Speaker 2: And what was your first like mission?

945
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 3: My first mission was so I was in this if

946
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 3: you would say it like the EA in America. So

947
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 3: it's like department of fighting drug trafficking. So my first

948
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 3: mission mostly were spying on criminals whoever wore, you know, dealing, trafficking, transferring,

949
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 3: or organizing the whole like heroin the time. So Heroin

950
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 3: was a big problem because after Soviet Union was collapsed

951
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 3: and put In became a president, but he was not

952
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 3: on that strong position as his right now. But while

953
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 3: Yelsen was a president, there were huge power of criminals

954
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 3: appeared in Russia because there was no power kind of

955
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 3: and then all these criminals, all these like boys, street boys,

956
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 3: you know, like twenty years old wherever abramovis and all

957
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 3: these you know boys, they will proving all the government

958
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 3: premises and government belongings like factories and lands wherever. And

959
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 3: then they became oligarghs. Eventually after like very quick time,

960
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 3: I would say, like in the two thousands. It's exactly

961
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 3: the time when I was serving in the military and

962
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 3: the criminal world was so big. It was almost like

963
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 3: a cult, and it was almost a trend. If you

964
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 3: are one of the criminal, you like cool guy, you

965
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 3: are like the best girls are yours? You like, you know,

966
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 3: the god of the city of the streets. It was romantic,

967
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 3: it was powerful, it was alpha male, and every girl

968
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 3: wanted to date a criminal. They even had like these

969
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 3: stupid songs, Mom, I want to like date I'm in

970
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 3: love with criminals. All this bullshit.

971
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 2: Seriously, spar Son loved the criminal Yeah, but they have

972
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,439
Speaker 2: like in Russia, they have like Russian songs like that.

973
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:14,240
Speaker 3: And then obviously what they were doing, they were selling guns, drugs,

974
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 3: and humans the most profitable businesses. And what happened all

975
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 3: these post Soviet countries, like my country, Kazakhstan, uz Biggistan, Tajikistan, Georgia, Azerbaijan,

976
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 3: all this Danstanstan because the uses are got so separated,

977
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 3: all these small countries. They went into very poor economical states,

978
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 3: like the people didn't have money. They were like in

979
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 3: a very big poverty. There was no food. So all

980
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 3: these young girls fourteen, twelve years old, weerever like twelve,

981
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 3: you know, twenty till twenty. They were kidnapped easily, or

982
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 3: they were taken from their families or wherever, and they

983
00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 3: would be trafficked. And of course the human trafficking goes

984
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 3: together with drug trafficking obviously, because how the hell they

985
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,760
Speaker 3: were operating. They would give her a needle of the heroine.

986
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 3: She's unconsciousness, and like they do whatever with her. You

987
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 3: know how many clients they wanted to give her, like

988
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 3: I mean, rape her while she's unconscious, and then what

989
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 3: would eventually happen. She would be drugged till that she

990
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 3: would be overdosed and they would just like rid of

991
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 3: the body and that's that's that's it, Like that's that's all,

992
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 3: that's her life. And it was a huge amount of

993
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 3: this kidnapped girls and boys. So the first operations. My

994
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 3: missions were to spy and understand where does it come from.

995
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 3: Mostly of these criminals were coming from Afghanistan because like

996
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 3: that's still this country is the main supplier of heroine

997
00:55:56,280 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 3: even now, yes, even now, yeah, yeah, so they traffic

998
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 3: all the heroine stuff through like you know, through the

999
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 3: Silk rowth the and to you like Russia through and

1000
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 3: then to Europe and so on. Not America because like

1001
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 3: you have your own gangsters here, yeah, not going into

1002
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 3: that direction. Yeah. So yeah, so it was a huge number.

1003
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 3: And like my my job was in the beginning to

1004
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 3: understand how does it work, like work on these operations.

1005
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 3: And in the beginning, we were just infiltrating those organization,

1006
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 3: those criminal organizations who would like do the drug trafficking

1007
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 3: and human trafficking.

1008
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 5: And just like get all these girls out.

1009
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,439
Speaker 3: And I remember some of the girls when we will

1010
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 3: actually take them out of this hostage, they were so young,

1011
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 3: like on the age like sixteen fourteen years old, and

1012
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 3: when I asked them to take off the clothes because

1013
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 3: I want to check the body and see like if

1014
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 3: they're carrying you know, because also you know, like they

1015
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:10,720
Speaker 3: would place drugs into day vagina to traffic to carry

1016
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 3: it through their borders. Yeah, so, and that's why, like

1017
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 3: I had to check them. So when I asked them

1018
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 3: to take off the clothes, I remember like the girl

1019
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 3: couldn't even take off her tights because the tides were

1020
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 3: so stick to her skin because of the wounds, because

1021
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 3: they would put harry needles into her legs till it

1022
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 3: would become a wound and it was just the fabric

1023
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 3: would stick to the.

1024
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 2: Leg that's so horrific.

1025
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 3: Yes, God, yes, so I have shivers even like I

1026
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 3: remember this, like I whoa, Yeah, I.

1027
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 2: Mean so that's what an interesting juxtaposition for you because

1028
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 2: you've you've just been through this sort of hellish experience

1029
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 2: of control and sexual assault in this school, and then

1030
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 2: you get out and you're like, Okay, I'm going to

1031
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 2: help these girls who have been through all that and

1032
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 2: more and like so on some level, did that feel

1033
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 2: rewarding that part of it?

1034
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 3: Absolutely?

1035
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1036
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 3: My salary was like one hundred dollars, working six days

1037
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 3: a week from like eight till sometimes ten twelve. So yeah, absolutely,

1038
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 3: Like it just was all looking and seeing all that,

1039
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 3: and you know, it's still like it hurts me so much,

1040
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 3: Like I now, I actually spoke with one of the charity.

1041
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 3: I want to become an ambassador of the Human Trafficking

1042
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 3: charity and just like raise some funds and bring awareness.

1043
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 5: It's just hurt me the most.

1044
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 3: I mean, like these kids, you know, they air kids,

1045
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 3: they're like teenagers. I have son who is a teenage.

1046
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 3: Like he has a girlfriend, she's a teenager. Like I

1047
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 3: can't like I just like I can't accept that this

1048
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 3: happening in our world in the twenty first century. Like

1049
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 3: I cannot accept this, and I'm willing to, you know,

1050
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 3: do anything I think I can in my life in

1051
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 3: order to help those kids. Totally wow.

1052
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 2: And so what kinds of missions would they have you

1053
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 2: doing to help the kids or for whatever other purposes?

1054
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,959
Speaker 3: They were using it for everything, like everything from infiltrating

1055
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 3: so sometimes actually like I had to pretend to be

1056
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 3: one of the girl in order to get insight into them.

1057
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 3: So they would usually take a house, block all the windows,

1058
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 3: and in every room there would be girl which would

1059
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 3: be you know, like tied to the bat or the

1060
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 3: wall wherever they would do like any anywhere, so she

1061
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 3: wouldn't be able to go anywhere and move a mattress

1062
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 3: on the floor nothing else, like no, you know, like

1063
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 3: no even like bathroom like nothing like that. No, like

1064
00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 3: she couldn't even shower have a shower, like disgusting the smell, and.

1065
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 2: It's like a horror movie. It's like what you would

1066
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 2: see in a movie.

1067
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 3: Well, at that time, I didn't see this kind of

1068
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 3: movies because they were not like allowed in Russia, I guess.

1069
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 5: And then they didn't really do this kind of movies.

1070
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 3: Like now slowly they start to show these movies and

1071
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 3: again human trafficking and what is one of the most

1072
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 3: profitable businesses in the world, Wow, only in California. Like

1073
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 3: I checked the statistics, over like a million trafficking. Like

1074
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 3: human trafficking, it's like over fifty billion worth business. So

1075
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 3: obviously whoever does it, they do not want to promote

1076
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 3: it and bring awarners to this big problem. But how

1077
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 3: many and living here, I know that some of the

1078
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 3: families who actually lost their kids because they wor kidnapped

1079
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 3: for the human trafficking then never could find them. And

1080
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 3: it's happening right now while we're sitting here in Beverly Hills.

1081
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 2: Wow. And I want to add to that, human trafficking

1082
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 2: also often doesn't look like the movies and is just

1083
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 2: someone who is working and unable to leave the house

1084
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 2: that they work in or you know, yeah, they could

1085
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 2: be at any number of businesses and it's not necessarily

1086
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 2: as extreme looking as you would think, but that doesn't

1087
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 2: mean that there isn't human trafficking happening there.

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01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:21,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, here's the big question.

1089
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 2: Were you taught how to kill people? Yes?

1090
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 3: Absolutely?

1091
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 2: And did you ever kill anyone?

1092
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 3: Okay, that's the question everybody asked me. I always reply, well,

1093
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 3: if I would tell you how many people, yeah have

1094
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 3: to kill you, it's a nice to responding kind of

1095
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 3: like answer. Look, And we spoke about it with Neil

1096
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 3: and I, you know, when we were recording like one

1097
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 3: episode about the war Decision War when I don't want

1098
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 3: to spoil it anyway, it was so hard, like I

1099
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 3: was crying and it was hysterical, like I just blogged

1100
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 3: that memories completely. Okay, So if you would ask me

1101
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 3: how many people did they kill? I don't know because

1102
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 3: I don't want to know. And I never counted because

1103
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 3: I never killed anyone like directly like this, Okay, here's

1104
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 3: the goud this is the person boom. Never. But yes,

1105
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 3: of course I was involved in different operations and obviously,

1106
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 3: like when I was in the war, where I would

1107
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 3: do some activities like poisoning or wherever, and I would

1108
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 3: kind of like considering that it would cause the person's

1109
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 3: death the target does. The one thing which came me

1110
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 3: down when I have this nightmares is that, first of all,

1111
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 3: it was my job, and the second they were not

1112
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 3: good people. They were criminals. I never killed anyone.

1113
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 5: Who is just a civilian.

1114
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 3: When it was proven that it was a criminal one

1115
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 3: hundred percent, then I would be like, you know what,

1116
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 3: do you're a bad boy? Fuck off? Like, yes, I'm

1117
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 3: a justice. You know, maybe it sounds really like dark

1118
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 3: or whatever, but you know what, now at this point

1119
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 3: I don't feel I had like a lot of guilt,

1120
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 3: but now of the therapy, I don't feel that I

1121
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 3: did something really bad. Yes, I understand that they were

1122
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 3: someone's sons and husbands perhaps blah blah blah, but they

1123
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 3: were killing others and they were doing bad things, and

1124
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 3: you know what, having that power and the right to

1125
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 3: do the justice, I did it, and I think that

1126
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 3: it was my job and I had to do it.

1127
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 2: That's all I mean. Thank goodness, you were in the department,

1128
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 2: you were in where you were able to actually see

1129
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 2: the good of your work. And because obviously there are

1130
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 2: other areas of Russian government you could have been working

1131
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 2: in that would have been you know.

1132
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 3: Just like spying on someone like this is the worst,

1133
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 3: you know, thank god I never did it. Like I

1134
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 3: feel like these people, these agents are not really even agent.

1135
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 3: They're just like, you know, like this, how do you

1136
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 3: call it, like the person who's just like watching someone

1137
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 3: and then complaining, oh he did this, like this kind

1138
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 3: of snatch snatch exactly, like cheap week snatch, Like they

1139
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 3: never were on field, Like I mean, like have a

1140
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 3: fucking gun and go and protect your country. That's a

1141
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 3: different story, you know, Like this is do you remember Littlevinenko,

1142
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 3: the former agent who was killed, who was poisoned in

1143
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 3: London in two thousand and six after he published the book.

1144
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 3: So he was a former KGB agent and he actually

1145
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 3: was poisoned by polonium by FSB agents actually in London

1146
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 3: in two thousand and six, which is the way you worked, right,

1147
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 3: So he mentioned in his book, and it's like written

1148
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 3: and it says that there are different types of spies,

1149
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 3: different types of agents, but those agents who are nut filled,

1150
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 3: that's the real James bond agents, those who are just

1151
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 3: like snatching and sitting and like you're reporting like oh

1152
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 3: he did this, he called there. You're like this is bullshit,

1153
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 3: Like seriously, this is bullshit, Like fuck you guys, you're

1154
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 3: doing nothing. This is snatching, Like this is bullshit. I mean,

1155
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 3: like you know, like I know, and we spoke about

1156
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 3: it with you know, like I know some agents who

1157
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 3: were sacrificing their lives and they stop terrorist attacks. How

1158
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 3: many people they saved by sacrificing their life. That's the

1159
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 3: real agent, that's the real spy.

1160
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 2: How did you actually leave? How are you able to

1161
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 2: get out of Russia and get out of this program

1162
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 2: and be free?

1163
01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 3: That's the second person Neil said, do not say ah, okay, okay,

1164
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 3: but quickly I just yeah, it's a long, long story

1165
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 3: how I did it. But I think like I just

1166
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 3: used them manipulation techniques where I manipulated my commander another

1167
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 3: one and I placed myself as so I put in

1168
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 3: his brain that I could be his daughter because he

1169
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 3: also had daughter my age. He actually had like a

1170
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 3: little like three daughters something like that. So and he

1171
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 3: was like promoting me, and you need to go, and

1172
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 3: like I understood by the time that it's really bad,

1173
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 3: like I don't want to be like associated. I want

1174
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 3: to live another life. And I basically yes, I used

1175
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 3: that manipulation techniques in order to get myself into that

1176
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 3: level where he would have the father feeling, you know,

1177
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 3: because like when you place yourself like this, people usually

1178
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 3: cannot do something bad to you. Because he like literally

1179
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 3: wanted to drop me to another that li mission eventually

1180
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 3: like oh, I give you a higher rank, I give

1181
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 3: you more money salary, I give you this and this

1182
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 3: go in another position. I'm like, fuck, no, thinks that's enough.

1183
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 3: So and second thing, I did another manipulation where I okay,

1184
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 3: so this manipulation is when you bring the fear. So

1185
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 3: he was obviously everybody who has a high position, they

1186
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 3: are scared to lose the position. So I said, like, well,

1187
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 3: guess what, I have evidences which we recorded and we

1188
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 3: collected and we spied on all the activities, your activities,

1189
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 3: your protege activities whatever your show says spy. Well, I

1190
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 3: mean it's in the second part. Sorry I can't, but

1191
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 3: like it's all came together. I mean like I didn't

1192
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 3: know that, but they all were corrupted and it's not

1193
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 3: my fault that they were all corrupted. It's just like

1194
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 3: we we just collected all the species and I put

1195
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 3: all this like puzzle, like you know, all the species

1196
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 3: like a puzzle to and say, like, guess what how

1197
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 3: about I will drop it to the to your commander.

1198
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 4: You know, and like, and I know you don't want

1199
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:09,439
Speaker 4: to go too my tanto.

1200
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 1: But as soon as you drop a bomb like that,

1201
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 1: don't you immediately lose the like baby privilege.

1202
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:18,640
Speaker 5: Of like, no, you don't if you manipulate in the

1203
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 5: right way.

1204
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 4: Ah, You're like, I don't want to have this information,

1205
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 4: but I'm so scared I have.

1206
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 3: It almost because look, okay, so your parents, your baby,

1207
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 3: you have a baby. The baby's like, mommy, I don't

1208
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 3: want to go to the school, like if I like

1209
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:36,599
Speaker 3: and you're like, no, you have to go to the school,

1210
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 3: blah blah blah, like and she would say oh. He

1211
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 3: would say like but you know, like this and this,

1212
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 3: like he bullied me, and I feel this and like

1213
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 3: I don't want like to like it will cause like

1214
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 3: more drama and then we would have more problems and

1215
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:52,560
Speaker 3: this may happen. You know, that's a manipulation, you know,

1216
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 3: And then you go deeper, deeper, dipper. So I use

1217
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 3: that what they taught me against them, and I got

1218
01:08:59,080 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 3: my freedom.

1219
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1220
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 3: But the only one thing he said, like you have

1221
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 3: to leave the country as soon as possible and never

1222
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:06,680
Speaker 3: come back. That's what's the deal.

1223
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 2: So that brings me to the next question that everyone

1224
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 2: asks you, which is aren't you scared?

1225
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 3: Of course, I'm scared, of course, And I actually said Neil,

1226
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:17,600
Speaker 3: like I a couple of times, like I've seen the

1227
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 3: same car next to my windows, and like I bet

1228
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 3: like they're watching me.

1229
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 5: But okay, we kind of like, let's be logical, Yes

1230
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:26,600
Speaker 5: they watch me.

1231
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 3: Yes, the American government probably already checked me out like

1232
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 3: a few times obviously, yes, before even giving me the

1233
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 3: green card. Thank you American government. I love you. But

1234
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 3: first of all, I do not say anything any any names.

1235
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 3: I don't and that's the most important. I don't bring

1236
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 3: any names. Neil knows all real names, but he will

1237
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 3: not tell it in public because like I gave him

1238
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 3: some names and he was, you know, looking at an

1239
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 3: internet and all that. But first of all, I'm not

1240
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 3: revealing any names. I'm not really any secret information like

1241
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 3: living and did, and that's why he was poisoned. Second, yes,

1242
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 3: I'm scared because it's kind of like but on another hand,

1243
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:17,480
Speaker 3: I didn't have another choice. You see how many illegals,

1244
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 3: illegals it's agents who working in different countries like America,

1245
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 3: England or whatever. How many of those legals who are

1246
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 3: actually living through you guys, you don't even know a lot.

1247
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:33,600
Speaker 3: Your neighbor may be like illegal and you don't even know.

1248
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 3: And they what they do, that's basically sneitching.

1249
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 5: They just leave their.

1250
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 3: Life, they have kids, they have like whatever job, but

1251
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:44,560
Speaker 3: they like listening to you what you're saying, What do

1252
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 3: you where are you going?

1253
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 2: Like like anyone or to show the Americans like.

1254
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:51,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, very similar. I actually haven't seen it. A

1255
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:53,719
Speaker 3: lot of people tell me, like, but so basically illegal

1256
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 3: is like when somebody is living in another country pretending

1257
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 3: to be just a civilian, but in fact he's reporting

1258
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:03,720
Speaker 3: what he sees, he's what he hear.

1259
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 2: That's interesting. Yeah, I was gonna In the podcast, Neil

1260
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 2: says that his transcriber he's been using for ten years

1261
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 2: called him and was like, at the place of work

1262
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:19,360
Speaker 2: I used to work at, they would warn us about

1263
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:22,679
Speaker 2: these of course women from Russia who would be trying

1264
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 2: to sort of like get comprom at on us. Yeah,

1265
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 2: like compromising video.

1266
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 5: And so, which leads me to a few years.

1267
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:35,760
Speaker 3: I mean, like a while ago before the Ukrainian War

1268
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:38,600
Speaker 3: and when I was like in London as well, the

1269
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 3: Russian government contacted me and that that was like the

1270
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 3: most funniest thing, like the way the contacted me. But

1271
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 3: the last time I got really scared and they wanted

1272
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 3: me to become illegal because I'm already living in America

1273
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:53,759
Speaker 3: being a civilian, like you know, doing my fashion bullshit

1274
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:57,639
Speaker 3: whatever Instagram stuff. Not seriously they like perfect, why don't

1275
01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 3: you like you know, report us and like come back

1276
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:03,560
Speaker 3: and again do I want to go back to this

1277
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:07,720
Speaker 3: trap and being again like you know, working for this

1278
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 3: as I said, like evil system and all that. I

1279
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 3: want my freedom. I want to be civilian.

1280
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:13,679
Speaker 5: I want to leave like a normal person.

1281
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 3: And I spoke with a lot of former my colleagues

1282
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,599
Speaker 3: and you know a lot of like very clever, very

1283
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:25,679
Speaker 3: wise people told me you need to go public, share

1284
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 3: your story without names, but share your story because they

1285
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 3: will never leave you till you expose your face. And

1286
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 3: that's what I'm doing. I'm exposing my face. I'm exposing

1287
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 3: my name, exposing my story so they do not come

1288
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 3: back and recruit me again.

1289
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:46,599
Speaker 2: And if something happened to you know, everyone would know exactly.

1290
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 3: And that's then I said, like, Neil, if something happened

1291
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 3: to me, you have to release the podcast like you

1292
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 3: want it. You don't want it like you have to do.

1293
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 3: That's why I'm doing this.

1294
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 2: Well, we have to wrap up, and I'm so sad

1295
01:12:57,680 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 2: that we do, because I want to ask you.

1296
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 3: Going for hours. You can do nothing one ja. I

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Speaker 3: love you guys.

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Speaker 4: Your podcast is incredible, so good.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell it to Neil.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait for the second part things And yeah,

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Speaker 2: where can people find the podcast and remind us of platform?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so basically everybody can listen it for free of

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Speaker 3: course on Spotify, Apple, iHeart whenever, like Audible anywhere, so

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Speaker 3: it's available to die for. Please listen. Leave your reviews.

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Speaker 3: I actually posted today reviews in my Instagram and said, like, oh,

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Speaker 3: thank you so much, guys, Like the reviews are so

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Speaker 3: like just like it just brings tears to my eyes.

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Speaker 3: It's so amazing to you.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry if you respond tears to my eyes as well.

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Speaker 4: But by.

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Speaker 2: People don't like podcasts, and where can people find you

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Speaker 2: on social media?

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Speaker 3: Just the Instagram Rosa r o z a Alia Rosa

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Speaker 3: with double eyes. So I'm there mostly. I love the

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Speaker 3: social media, Like I'm not really on Facebook in the

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Speaker 3: other social media, but yeah, I'm stay on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: Perfect.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you guy, fantastic. I love y'all. I hope,

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Speaker 3: like we'll do it the game.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna leave it there. We are going to ask

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Speaker 2: her to come back so we can ask her more

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Speaker 2: questions about the poisonings, et cetera, et cetera. But Megan,

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Speaker 2: do you think that.

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Speaker 3: You would become a spy? Fuck? No? Why? Fuck?

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Speaker 1: No? I like being comfortable. I like being safe. I

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Speaker 1: like being at home. I like not talking to people,

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Speaker 1: or you.

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Speaker 2: Like talking to people, But you like talking to people

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Speaker 2: in like a communal yeah, like on a farm somewhere.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess I could spy on a farm.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean I do.

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Speaker 1: I do like the thought of solving a mystery. Sure,

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Speaker 1: but like being a part of a spy network. I

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Speaker 1: couldn't sleep at night.

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Speaker 2: I think I could do it. Yeah yeah, I well,

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Speaker 2: you know, I wanted to be an FBI profiler when

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Speaker 2: I was a teenager or a pop star or those

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Speaker 2: were my two options to pop star or FBI. But

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Speaker 2: like you know, getting to the bottom of things like

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Speaker 2: uncovering the bat who the bad guys are was like, sure,

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Speaker 2: there's somewhere deep in my body. I think I always

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Speaker 2: have wanted to be a spy. Also, you know military family,

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Speaker 2: Like there's.

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Speaker 3: You could do it. I could do it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you absolutely could.

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Speaker 2: But I am really bad at lying, So there is that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you would have to feel very uncomfortable lying.

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Speaker 2: In case you guys hadn't figured out from my oversharing

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Speaker 2: on this podcast, I think you'd figure it out. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Maybe.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, I can't wait to have her back on.

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Speaker 1: Thank y'all for listening, Please come back and listen next week,

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Speaker 1: and as always, remember to follow.

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Speaker 2: Your gut, watch out for it, and never ever trust me.

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Speaker 2: I Trust Me as produced by Kirstin Woodward, Gabby Rapp,

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Speaker 2: and Steve.

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Speaker 4: Della, with special thanks to Stacy Para, and her.

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Speaker 2: Theme song was composed by Holly amber Church.

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Speaker 1: You can find us on Instagram at trust Me Podcast,

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Speaker 1: Twitter at trust Me Cult pod, or on TikTok at

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Speaker 1: trust Me Cult Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm Ula Lola on Instagram and Ola Lola on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: And I Am Megan Elizabeth eleven on Instagram and Bebraham

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Speaker 1: Hicks on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: Remember to rate and review and spread the word.