1 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are solely 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: those of the authors and participants and do not necessarily 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: represent those of iHeart Media, Tenderfoot TV, or their employees. 4 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 1: This series contains discussions of violence and sexual violence. Listener 5 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: discretion is advised. Previously on Algorithm, police in haim In, 6 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: Indiana investigated Africa Hardy's murder. What time do you think 7 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: you got the hotel? Police learned Africa had last spoken 8 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: with her friend Shamika at five thirteen. Africa told her 9 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: a client had just arrived at her motel room. What 10 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 1: number did you call her from? Number? Police worked through 11 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,599 Speaker 1: the night and use cell phone records and surveillance footage 12 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: to track down the vehicle the suspect had driven. They 13 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: learned that the jeep and cell phone were both registered 14 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: to a woman named Regina Beard. Two officers drove out 15 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: to her home and Gary, Indiana, and in front of 16 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: the house was the blue jeep they were looking for. 17 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: From my Heart Radio and Tenderfoot TV, this is Algorithm, 18 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: I'm ben key Brick. The lead detective on the case, 19 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: Sean Ford, and his supervisor, Captain Zeke Kinajosa, also traveled 20 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: out to the suspects home. Together, the officers went up 21 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: to the house and knocked on the door. A young 22 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: woman answered. They told her that they had a warrant 23 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: to search the home, and she let them in. Inside, 24 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 1: Kinahosa saw a bald man in his mid forties that 25 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 1: resembled the man that they'd seen on the motel's surveillance footage, 26 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: and they saw a puffy jacket hanging on a chair 27 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 1: in the kitchen, similar to the one the suspect had 28 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: been wearing. Kinajosa instructed the bald man to come into 29 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: the living room, but the man stood his ground. Again. 30 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: Hinahosa demanded that the man surrender himself to police, and 31 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: again the man didn't comply. Two officers rushed him, threw 32 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: him to the ground, and handcuffed him. Police then secured 33 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: the building. Detective Ford brought the young woman who'd answered 34 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: the door into a side room. He asked her if 35 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: anyone had been driving the blue jeep. She said yes, 36 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: the man they had handcuffed had driven it. He was 37 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 1: her uncle, Darren Vaughan, and he'd been looking after her 38 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: while her mother was on vacation. Detective Ford returned to 39 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 1: the kitchen and helped the suspect Darren Von up from 40 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: the ground. Ford asked Vaughan if he knew why they 41 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: were there. Vaughn told them that he did know, and 42 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: said that he'd messed up by leaving Gary. Vaughn said 43 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 1: he was surprised by how quickly police had located him. 44 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: He said that Gary police don't work on weekends. Detective 45 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: Ford noticed a button was missing from Vaughn's shirt, and 46 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: he remembered that they'd found a button in the motel 47 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: room where Africa had been killed. When they further searched 48 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: the house, they found Africa Hardias missing cell phone on 49 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: top of a cabinet in the kitchen. Beside it was 50 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: an extension cord with its ends cut off. Police informed 51 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: Vaughan that he was under arrest and they put him 52 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 1: in the back of a squad car. According to a 53 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: police report, Vond told the officers in the car to 54 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: bring a prosecutor down to the station. He said that 55 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 1: the district attorney would want to hear what he had 56 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: to say. At the station, he asked the booking officers 57 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: for toilet paper and started to cry. He said that 58 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: he was tired and just wanted to get this all 59 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: over and done with. At eight thirty pm on Saturday 60 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: oct Detective Forward and Captain Hinojosa brought Vaughan into a 61 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: small room. It was the exact same room that Shamika 62 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: had sat in the night before. You want some and 63 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: what you're about to hear has never before been made public. 64 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: That's Vawn. They're asking if police had done the two 65 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: things that he asked them to do. It's a strange interview. 66 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: Vaughn is trying to cut himself some kind of a 67 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: deal and the detectives want him to talk, but they 68 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: also need to follow procedure and we're not going to 69 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: pressure you. Everything today is kind of your own free 70 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 1: willy right here? All right, that's Detective Sean Ford. Like 71 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: I said before, if you understand each of these, I 72 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,119 Speaker 1: want you to put your initials next to him because 73 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: it shows we went over the phone together. He has 74 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: Vaughn read through his Miranda rights. Is there anything that 75 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: you need to explain? No, And that's Captain Kinejosa. We 76 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: got me all nervous. I feel like I mean and 77 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: evaluate today with my bossing around here, I don't like 78 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 1: to try to play themerga scientists around trying to play 79 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: some camp, mouse games or something like that. Can come 80 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: here kind of tell a something anyway? All right, I 81 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: knew y'all come about me the fake on purpose? Okay? 82 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: What in your own words? What would you say has 83 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: brought you here today inside of this room with us? 84 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 1: Why do you think you were arrested? Especial? I'm like Hamley, 85 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say a MURDERKA say murder, A murder of who? 86 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: I can't really give her night because I don't know 87 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: her night? Okay, that occurred where I don't really know? 88 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: Y'all road saying a multa which one see mot y'all sex? 89 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 1: All right? Remember the rule number? Just not talking from 90 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: putney deal a good? Right? Okay, Well here's here's what 91 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: are your concerns? What are you looking for it? Because 92 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: here's our thing. We can't necessarily play take a deal 93 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: anyone legally? Is you ready? We can't promise you anything, 94 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: but just why to say? Folk? So well, let me 95 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: let me just what are you trying to get out 96 00:05:53,520 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: of this? How a my and put the death before 97 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: my next birthday? The deal that Bond wants is to 98 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: be put to death before his next birthday. I want 99 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: to put the death before my next birthday. Okay, that 100 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: that would almost be five. You got death ros your 101 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: multiple murders, I give you. I can get death. But 102 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: listen real quick here. They don't have to say out 103 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: that quick thought. Wait. Wait, I noticed for faith, because 104 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: if I wave on my rights, I give you three 105 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 1: or four murders. I had a right you put to death, 106 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: and I'm willing to give you the body and a location. 107 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: I think they will give him my death row. Let 108 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: me ask you that are they all locally? And then yeah, 109 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: I can give you anything. I could give some out 110 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: of inn but had then I would have. We don't 111 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: need a better deal with y'all. You can just talk 112 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: about it now. I have to go to deal because 113 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: I have to make sure I get death row. Then 114 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: Von tells them that he doesn't want to go through 115 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: a trial in the whole legal process. Instead, he wants 116 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: to sign a plea bargain guaranteeing him the death penalty 117 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: in exchange for confessing to other murders. Y'all got one. 118 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: I'm trying to get y'all areas, But that's what I'm saying. 119 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: The prosecutor doesn't really look into things until we complete 120 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: our investigation. I'm trying to give them death. Then give 121 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: y'all the bodies. So for the one we have, imple 122 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: did that purpose, so y'all't even have to do a 123 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: DNA out of Well, let's listen, if we can do this, 124 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: want to get through it and have the conversation and 125 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: match it up with the evidence we already have, and 126 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: we we can establish your credibility that you're legit, because say, 127 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: you could be crazy. You could be sitting here and 128 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: talking some man Crady on five eight Motail six, Room one, 129 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: five eight. That's all there for you. Room was the 130 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:26,239 Speaker 1: motel room where Africa's body was found. Information that Vaughan 131 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: would have no reason to know unless he was involved 132 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: in the murder. That is right. Now, are do you 133 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: believe that you're here to be questioned about it or 134 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,839 Speaker 1: are you saying that you did it? I'm here to 135 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: be question about the coach. I'm not sure that's why 136 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: you dollar agrests the game. Well, of course that's part 137 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: of all of completing and that's fairly recent, right, this 138 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: is Friday. So going back to the question, and you 139 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: know you're saying that you know you're not wanting to 140 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:00,199 Speaker 1: contest the issue, but this one makes rigue out. That's 141 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I understand what I'm gonna do what 142 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: you won't at your room one five mates, I only 143 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: reason I know that I knew it. I can even 144 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,599 Speaker 1: tell you where you found the body? Where do we 145 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 1: find the body in a shower with the water running? 146 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: What happened that part? I'm not really sure about. I 147 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: know where I put it after but during my act rays, 148 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 1: I really don't remember a lot of stuff. So you 149 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: get enjoy it. Act always always Okay, okay, how how 150 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: did you get connected with this person in this room? 151 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: How did you get connected? She had a head? We're 152 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: right crazy? Okay, do you remember anything about that? And 153 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: specifically you've got a picture in it where she has 154 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,599 Speaker 1: curly hair. That's a long enough, that's a picture I 155 00:09:55,679 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 1: caught mine. Bond said that in the ad Africa went 156 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 1: by the name Octavia, which lined up with what Shamika 157 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: had told police. As a warning, this next section gets 158 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,839 Speaker 1: very graphic, but I think it's important to acknowledge the 159 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: reality of Vaughan's crimes. I'm also compete her earlier baby sitting. 160 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: She called me back, I sure was higg and I 161 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 1: went what was she by herself in the room. Did 162 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: you have to have any drinks or anything like that 163 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: in there? Try not to drink makes your worst? Did 164 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: you pay her the money right away as soon as 165 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: you walked in? Yeah, I thought I had little bath room. 166 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: Went to the bathroom. She got undressed from the bottom down. 167 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: I got undressed. Really be we kinda said, she saunds 168 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: too rough. Factually I'm really rough. And I didn't really 169 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 1: give her a time though. You just right to get adjusted, right, 170 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: And then she started like crying. She started crying, right, 171 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: you let me keep going for man, I guess when 172 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: I didn't slow down and you get mad and hit me, 173 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: and she's trying to say, you mean to hit anybody? 174 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: It was too late. I started choking her. And after 175 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: that is anybody's ball game? What were you choking her? 176 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: Was at first with my hand. Is this that anger 177 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: we're trying to controller, not a thought anger because she 178 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: struck me? Is your choking or did she continue this trouble? Yes? Okay, 179 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: this shooms consciousness. Have your same person choked? Yeah? Where 180 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 1: they're they're not unconscious, but they're not I don't know 181 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: how to say it. They're defenseless. Yeah, they're defenseless. Yeah, 182 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: do your best words to say defense us, Like I 183 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: told you, get funnic. I know I hit her and 184 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: I threw off the bed. I remember that, I remember 185 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: showing it. I don't know any talents like he. I 186 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:17,719 Speaker 1: know I hit her close best. I don't know. I 187 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: don't know if our karality character because I remember my 188 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: hand going up coming down. I remember a knee And 189 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: now I just know I choked her. I couldn't even 190 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: say I just choked her. You ever get so made 191 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: like and then when you realize what you did, and 192 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, I made like a big mistake. I know 193 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 1: she was dead when she hit the floor. When she 194 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: one day, it definitely made me reached for the horde. 195 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta finished this. When I first 196 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: heard this part of the confession, my heart dropped. Bon 197 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: said is that when Africa hit him, he went into 198 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: a blind rage and started choking her. When he calmed 199 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 1: down and gained awareness about what had happened, Von thought 200 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: that he had killed Africa and panicked, but he hadn't 201 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: actually killed her. She started stirring, and now outside of 202 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: his rage, Von made the conscious decision to strangle her 203 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: to death already almost killed her, like I'm out of whale, finished, 204 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: And I was like, it's kind of like a pang, 205 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: because that wasn't the purpose of me going here. Okay, 206 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: there wasn't a purpose, but in your mind you had 207 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 1: almost killed her pride, And I was like you You're 208 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: got have stopped, right. I couldn't, yeah, because but you didn't. 209 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: I did. If you would have stopped and just left. 210 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: What did you feel when a pet I'm the very prisoner, 211 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 1: he said. I had to kill her with all of 212 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: like instincts I always reached for in the year's weapon 213 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 1: was record tell she NiFe? Always weapon? In this particular 214 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: resident STI cord centric cork. Where was that a carr 215 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: An e cure guy anymore? The detectives are confused about this. 216 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 1: If he wasn't intending to kill Africa, why did he 217 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: bring gloves and a weapon with him to the motel. 218 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: His response was that he always carries these things with him. 219 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: The weapon, I can imagine maybe for self defense. The 220 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: gloves though, just in case he needs to dispose of 221 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: a body. If a snap always carry up her gloves? 222 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: What kind of gloves? I know? We could have been 223 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: a row one he could have been a white ones 224 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: are Swiss gloves or Swiss clothes? I swish so much 225 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: stuff have been joined this for years now? What's the 226 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: purpose of wearing the gloves? May surely your favorite print. 227 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: I can't decide if I believe him that Africa's murder 228 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: wasn't premeditated, or if he's just lying for some reason, 229 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: trying to justify the murder through twisted logic. Obviously he's 230 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: not trying to escape a conviction. He willingly admits he's 231 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: guilty of murdering her, But maybe this is the way 232 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: that he tries to justify the murder to himself. We're 233 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: faced with a problem here, one that we're often faced 234 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: with in cases like this. Only Vaughan knows many of 235 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: the details of what he did, and only he knows 236 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: why he did it. But when someone cares so little 237 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: about others that they're willing to murder a stranger in 238 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: cold blood, I don't think they're going to lose any 239 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: sleep about lying. How did you get her to the 240 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: bathroom drug not to wear a shower? I'm there, I'll 241 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: fighting stuff moment. Reasons for doing that. I hadn't always 242 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: moved victims do you always put the victims in the 243 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: same place. No, never wait, are you see Jill and 244 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: I can't bring you over an away and you could 245 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: that bring another during this Eventually you'll be able to know. No, 246 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to. You don't want you right because 247 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: I want my dad grow and I can't have more 248 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: than one stay fighting. That's only that would prolong the process. 249 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: All right, Talent can get you out of stuff that's recent. 250 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: How many people are you responsible for killing? Said this lifetime. 251 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: I couldn't even too and Indiana, I said, I couldn't 252 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: even tell you. I could tell you the ones I 253 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: want to give you, I can't tell you the ones 254 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: that would incriminating somebody else. Okay, the ones that you 255 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: want to give us. Are they all males or females? 256 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: I'm going to give your female a female the male 257 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: if I can't give you because I was paid to 258 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: do them, okay, and that would put somebody else. What's 259 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: you're concerned about? That? My me going on? But we've 260 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 1: always had to code. We don't never put nobody else 261 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: the females. How are these females skilled? All strang like? Well, 262 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: trying to think har one knife? Oh my gun? They 263 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: will kill the female, would have done not in Indiana. 264 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 1: Never killed a female with a gun in Indiana. Okay, 265 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: I think it's a knife line in Indiana. I'm trying 266 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: to do between Primes and India. They were all strangled. 267 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: The one I'm gonna give you all the strangled. That's 268 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 1: the best way I could say it. Okay, are there 269 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: any other big ones in Hammond? In Hammon? Not that 270 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: I asked here? One was the other victims from Anna. 271 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: In so many years, I'm done a crime. I'm in 272 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: heaven in so many years. How can you remember? There 273 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: was a There was a girl a long time ago 274 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: whose body was on the railroad tracks. Most of the 275 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: victims that Hargrave's algorithm had identified were found in the 276 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 1: city of Gary, but one victim, Yvonne Wallace, was actually 277 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: found in Hammond, strangled near some train tracks in the 278 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: summer of ninety six, eighteen years earlier. There's one girl 279 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: had it. There's one girl in him, and I don't know. 280 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: I have claimed the body, so I wouldn't know where 281 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: she's at. I said, haven't joined this for years. I'm 282 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 1: on trying to get one as close because I remember 283 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: what about any that the bodies I never found. That's 284 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 1: trying to give you not probably give you two four? 285 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: Can we can we start with with this real quick 286 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: like obviously this incident Hanton on Friday. What is freshest 287 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: in your mind from there? That the one murder just 288 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: previous to the Motel State Ranky, the one before the 289 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: Motio State State. Here, Darren Vaughan says he can't give 290 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: detectives information about the murderer he committed just before Africa Hardy, 291 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: because it took place out of state and he doesn't 292 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: want to involve other jurisdictions. I want to point this 293 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: out because they'll soon change his story. We can't always 294 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: know when Vaughn is telling the truth, but we can 295 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: catch him in lies when he contradicts himself. We can 296 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: learn something important from these lies about the extent and 297 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: the nature of his crimes. Ranky, the one before the 298 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: Motio State State, the one before him. It's somebody I 299 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: knew changing well that obviously, that would be an easy 300 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 1: one to start with if you know her well. I 301 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: don't know where nor like I know where from the streets. 302 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: Her nickname on the streets was cast where she was 303 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:10,360 Speaker 1: a prostitute. She's a Caucasian, but the real big here. Yeah, 304 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 1: as you said, some people say bev w she's thirty two. 305 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put it not older because she is. 306 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: I wouldn't think so, yes, I don't know this blonde 307 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: or brown? My color blind. So where'd you kill hern? Oh? 308 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: So you're gonna tell you that the coach in the 309 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: house I killed her? And Gary all even Gary, I'm 310 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: giving you so gaspers bodies inside of a an abandoned house. 311 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: Yeahs her inside of things. And I believe that that 312 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: you kind of want to put it into this, But 313 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 1: would you be willing to to take us and I 314 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: mean almost, I mean I don't always you call it 315 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: like a field trip and just show us your word produence. 316 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: I don't really call it work. I call even my 317 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: mistakes because they didn't really they did something that trigger 318 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: my hanger where I was already angered, but they really 319 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 1: like cass or cast for with my friends eyes being 320 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: to kill her, what are we going to recover her body? 321 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 1: I would do a cash for the part because she 322 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: was my friend, she was a good person. We could 323 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: take that right. What we're probably gonna do is we'll 324 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: probably put you in some legs shadows, because this is 325 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: not something we do every day. You take this to 326 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: cash for this Friday, and I'll if I was goin 327 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: to cash the prosecutors, right, I will give you other 328 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: fire someone you promised me they're gonna give me there 329 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: pro al Right, go ahead and stand up where hand 330 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: cups back on your right. If it isn't already clear 331 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: at this point, this isn't if you've done it. Where 332 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: we're trying to figure out who killed Africa Hardy Darren 333 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 1: Vaughan killed Africa instead. This is a story exploring how 334 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: the police and Gary ignored the signs that there was 335 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: a killer on the loose targeting women in the area. 336 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: They ignored hargrooves warnings when he sent them the letter 337 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: about the algorithm, and they ignored other more obvious clues 338 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: as well. But I'm getting ahead of myself. On October 339 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: at eleven PM, Vaughn told police he'd take them to 340 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: one of the recent murders he'd committed in Indiana. He 341 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: told them he couldn't take them to the most recent 342 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: murder before Africa, whereas he knew her Octavia, because he 343 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: said that murder took place out of state and he 344 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: didn't want to involve other jurisdictions. Instead, he offered to 345 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: take them to the body of a woman that he 346 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: knew as Casper. But before they were even out the 347 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: door of the interrogation room, Vaughan changed his mind. I 348 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: don't know if they found her, and I I'm not 349 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: sure if chars we see wish book, I'll take you 350 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: to her body. Before I was there for this racing. Now, 351 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: Vaughan was saying that he could take them to the 352 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 1: murder directly before Africa, and he was saying that it 353 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,959 Speaker 1: wasn't out of state. In fact, the murder had occurred 354 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 1: in northwest Indiana and the body was in Gary. Investigators 355 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 1: didn't call him out about the discrepancy. I'm not sure why, 356 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: but I wonder if that's because they weren't sure if 357 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: any of what he was saying was true. But he 358 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: promised them a body and they wanted to investigate. With 359 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: Vaughan in handcuffs that linked to the front of his 360 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 1: belt and shackles around his feet, Ford walked him out 361 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: to a squad car, where they met Officer Kelly Mickey. 362 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: What made you decide to get done? I was tired, 363 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: she wrote in a police report that as she talked 364 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 1: to On, she tried to mirror his emotions, a technique 365 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: cops used to keep suspects talking, but she struggled to 366 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: mirror him because he was so relaxed and casual while 367 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 1: he described horrific events and scenes. How long does it take? 368 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: Is it always the same? What do you mean to 369 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: kill a person? Yeah? What you kill them with? Like you? 370 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: Your thing seems to be strangulation? One thing now with strangleletion, 371 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: because I'm not what we would have gone. So do 372 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: they ever plead for their life? They? Like? Do they 373 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 1: beg you? That's not like I'm not going to I'm 374 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: not going to. Oh they're trying to just get away 375 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: now when you're actually strangling them? Do they no? But 376 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: I mean do they like as anything? I don't know. 377 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: I don't even know what I want to ask you? 378 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: You want to ask? No, I don't. I don't know 379 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 1: how I'm there are I've never killed a human. I mean, 380 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: I've never killed a cup. You never shot? No, No, 381 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: I've been bust I've been busted that way sixteen years. 382 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: So I almost shot a couple of people, but God's intervened. 383 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: Did not let the hand the streets. Oh yeah, I 384 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: just became a detective. Okay, well, yeah, I worked the 385 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: streets for sixteen years. You've been shot at. I know 386 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: you've been shot at. Yeah, I didn't shot at somebody 387 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: fifteen years ago and hand. Yeah, police called the right 388 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 1: m In fact, they almost arrested me with the office 389 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: shooting me down. When he's shaking me down, he made 390 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: the gun fall to the ground. So I just kicking 391 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: the ground while you're searching. Some cops are stupid, ain't they. 392 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: It's like, we don't pay attention. He couldn't have seen it, yeah, 393 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: but they just don't pay attention. It was too dark. 394 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: I made sure it's the dark while I stopped to 395 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: walk day and I walked off and walk back and 396 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: got the gun its folds. Vond told them the body 397 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: wasn't an abandoned home, but he couldn't give them exact 398 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: directions to the building because he had always walked there, 399 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: taking shortcuts through abandoned lots. Eventually they made it out 400 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 1: to the four hundred block of East Avenue in Gary. 401 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: It was a thin suburban road, and like many parts 402 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: of Gary, it's riddled with abandoned homes. Sections of the 403 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: street shift abruptly. A string of houses will be well 404 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: maintained with manicured blonds, only for the next three houses 405 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: to be boarded up and so overgrown with weeds that 406 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 1: you can't even see the sidewalk. The home where Von 407 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: guided them was completely dark. It looked as if it 408 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: had been recently abandoned. It was isolated from nearby houses 409 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 1: by overgrown shrubs at the edges of the yard. Bond 410 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: told them that the body wasn't inside this home, but 411 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: in a smaller, more decrepit brick building behind the house. 412 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: He told them to drive around the corner to a 413 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 1: gravel alleyway that ran behind the buildings. Police still weren't 414 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: sure if Vaughn was telling them the truth or leading 415 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: them on a wild goose chase. They asked him where 416 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: exactly they'd find the body. In her police report, Detective 417 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: Mickey remembered Vaughan's voice taking on a creepy tone. Vaughn 418 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 1: told them to enter the back of the building. He 419 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: said that there was a door that went down into 420 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: a seller like basement. He told them to be careful 421 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: because the basement was pitch black and they need to 422 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,159 Speaker 1: watch out for large rats or wild dogs, and he 423 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 1: told them that somewhere deep back in the basement, they'd 424 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: find a room where the victim would be buried under 425 00:27:53,760 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: a pile of dolls. Mickey remembers telling him, could you 426 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 1: make this sound any scarier? George Geleapolis was working that 427 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: night at the coroner's office. He was also called out 428 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: to the scene. Got to the area. Most of the 429 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 1: homes are abandoned. I see a scrub car out there. 430 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 1: The house was taped, and of course it was abandoned. 431 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 1: It was dark. Is that scary? I mean, I guess 432 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: the idea of like going into an abandoned building with 433 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: a flashlight to like look for a dead body, you know, 434 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 1: I think most people would be terrified. I don't know 435 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: if you just get used to that. No, it was scary. No, 436 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. It was scary because we would 437 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: only be maybe floor of us in the house, and 438 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: we don't know who's in the house or who's in 439 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: the area, and if they, like police officers, were not 440 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: you know, we first take pictures of the home, and 441 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: then we take pictures of where we're going. I obtained 442 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: these fitters from the Hammond Police Department through my Fayre request. 443 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: The first few photos show the home from the outside. 444 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: It's a nondescript brick building with white siding. Then comes 445 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: a shot of a wood floored entrance way, a sort 446 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: of walden porch with stairs going down into a basement. 447 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: There's a detail on this photograph that I miss until 448 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: I go onto the next picture, which is a close 449 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: up shot of the corner of the staircase. There's a 450 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: dark stain there a liquid trail that's dripping down the stairs. 451 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: The next picture shows that at the bottom of the 452 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: stairwell there was a mound of garbage, bottles, boxes, trash bags, 453 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: and the photos continue past that pile of junk. The 454 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: basement was still a mess, but at least you could 455 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: see the floor. Geleopolis and his team continued through what 456 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: looked like it was once a den into a concrete 457 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: floored room that was also strewn with trash. Diliopolis says 458 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: that the whole building smelled bad, but as they entered 459 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: this room, he started to smell a familiar odor. That's 460 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: one thing that you will never forget, that's for sure, 461 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: and I'll tell you I can't explain. It's something rotten, 462 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: rotten fruit, maybe really bad. Garbage stays on your clothes. 463 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: If you breathe a little heavy and it goes into 464 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: your throat, it stays in your throat. If you move 465 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: your hair with your hand, you'll smell it. From there, 466 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: they turned the corner to a third, smaller room. This 467 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: room was much cleaner, but the smell grew more intense. 468 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: There were some wooden boards and a garden hose on 469 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: the floor, and in one corner there was a pile 470 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: of objects that looked as if it had been deliberately placed. 471 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: A big, large truckt or trailer tire and a couple 472 00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: of stuffed animals, big plush stuffed animals, like the ones 473 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: that you might win at a carnival. As they approached 474 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: this pile in the corner, the smell became overwhelming, and 475 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: through the center of one of the tires they saw 476 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: what appeared to be socked feet. Sticking out of the 477 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: other end of the pile was the dark fuzz of 478 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: human hair. It was the corpse of a woman. She 479 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: looked as if she had been killed recently, and you 480 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: could tell that she'd been strangled because of a groove 481 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: running across her neck, a damp wound on her dark 482 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: skin covered by a line of white maggots. Darren Vaughan 483 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: wasn't taking them in a wild goose chase. He'd led 484 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: them straight to a body, the body of a thirty 485 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: five year old woman named Anne Jones, and the night 486 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: was still young. What later became known as the death 487 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: Mark had just begun. Next time on algorithm. Has there 488 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: been any indication all how many victims may be out there? 489 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: At this point we are unsure of the number. As 490 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: of last night, he was continuing to lead police to 491 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 1: the bodies of victims. Something I think about sometimes is 492 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: was there something I could have done better? Because they 493 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: weren't even looking. I at least knew that there was 494 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: a serial killer active in Gary. The adults would leave 495 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: at five o'clock and at night they would be left 496 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: with the counselors who were and they would go down 497 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: in his hell whole, the basement, and they would have 498 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: gladiator games where they would have the kids square off 499 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: and have to fight each other. If you're own book, 500 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: you're not really a liver. You're just did you kill 501 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: somebody specific to get left in? I'm who they told 502 00:32:54,600 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: me to kill. This episode was written and produced by 503 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: me ben Keebrick Algorithm is executive produced by Alex Williams, 504 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: Matt Frederick, and Donald Albright. Production assistance by Eric Quintana. 505 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: Thanks to Christina Dana, Trevor Young, Miranda Hawkins, Josh Thane, 506 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: and Jamie Albright for their notes on this series. Music 507 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: is by Makeup and Vanity Set and Blue Dot Sessions. 508 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: If you like where you're hearing, please follow and leave 509 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: us a review on Apple Podcasts