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Speaker 2: On this week's episode. In her space, we thank you

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Speaker 2: do so many things. I'm the kind of person where

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Speaker 2: I like to divo and doubt one everything right. So,

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Speaker 2: I used to want to be a fashion designer. I

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Speaker 2: wanted to be a psychologist. When I was younger, I

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Speaker 2: feel like it was always very challenging to figure out

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Speaker 2: what am I into, what am I interested in?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because one of the things that you pointed out

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Speaker 1: was that your job is your dream, funder, my job

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Speaker 2: About, right, your dream right? Wait?

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Speaker 1: So I knew from early on that I wanted to

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Speaker 1: be a psychologist. How okay, So there were two points

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Speaker 1: where I knew one. It was like some kind of

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Speaker 1: subconscious right so as a kid. Welcome to her Space,

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Speaker 1: a podcast dedicated to uplifting women like you. We're your

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Speaker 1: hosts Doctor Dominique Broussard, a college professor and psychologist.

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Speaker 2: And Terry Lomax, a techie and a motivational speaker. In

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Speaker 2: a world where black women are often misrepresented and misunderstood,

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Speaker 2: please join us as we initiate authentic conversations on everything

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Speaker 1: Be Thank you for tuning in with us today. I

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Speaker 1: want to start us off with our quote of the day,

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Speaker 1: don't confuse who you are with where you are on

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Speaker 1: your journey.

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Speaker 2: I think you got to say that again for the

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Speaker 2: people in the back, for the people in the way

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Speaker 1: Don't confuse who you are with where you are on

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Speaker 1: your journey.

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Speaker 2: Such a powerful quote. I think that means so much

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Speaker 2: to me. And if you're in a space right now

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Speaker 2: where you know that you aren't where you want to be,

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Speaker 2: actualizing your potential. Right, You're in a face of the journey,

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Speaker 2: but you're not where you know you could be. This

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Speaker 2: episode is for you, so be sure to stay tuned

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Speaker 2: because it's about to get good.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, since we're just gonna jump right in,

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Speaker 1: we are talk to us about your journey. Oh, I mean,

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Speaker 1: we we're just doing it.

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Speaker 2: Well, dond When I think about my journey and this quote,

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Speaker 2: my journey has been, it's been full of detours, it's

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Speaker 2: doing donuts. It's had some car crashes, some zigs, some zags.

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Speaker 1: years or so for me to have my PhD. Map

432
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Speaker 1: that shit out. Knew that's what was going to happen

433
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 1: after that. The plan was I was going to have

434
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 1: a private practice and life was going to be beautiful.

435
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: Now that is not That's not exactly where things are now.

436
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 1: So I did go straight through school, so after high school,

437
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: four years of undergrad six years of grad school. Not

438
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 1: I did that. That wasn't And that's not to say

439
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: that there weren't like roadblocks along the way like there

440
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 1: that I didn't have, like different things that came up,

441
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 1: like personally or even within school. But that was the goal.

442
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,439
Speaker 1: Like I knew to get to the next point, to

443
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Speaker 1: get to the point point of Dominique's psychologists. I knew

444
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 1: that that's what I had to do. So I stayed

445
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 1: focused on that. Now it was the after school, after

446
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 1: graduation thing that I was like, well, huh, I don't

447
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen. And so when I finished

448
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,679
Speaker 1: my postdoc, and for those that aren't aware, like a

449
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,479
Speaker 1: postdoc is what you do after you get your doctorate degree.

450
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 2: That was my next question, excuse me, man.

451
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 1: And depending on your depending on the field of study,

452
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 1: it may involve research or in my case, it was

453
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: a clinical position. So that meant that I was working

454
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 1: in a college counseling center and I was seeing students

455
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 1: college students, and so after that it was like, okay,

456
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Speaker 1: I'm looking for a job. The couple of things that

457
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: I applied to I didn't get and so it was like, oh, wait,

458
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: what's happening here? And so for the first time I

459
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 1: was like, I felt a little lost because I didn't

460
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: have a clear path. Because up until that point, I

461
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: knew what the journey looked like, like I could tell

462
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: you step by step what this journey was gonna look like.

463
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: And so at this point I didn't know. I'm trying

464
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,479
Speaker 1: to find, you know, trying to figure it out. And

465
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 1: a teaching position opened up. I remember being in graduate

466
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: school telling a professor, I don't need to take any

467
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: classes related to being a faculty member because I'm never

468
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 1: gonna do that. I didn't like the idea of teaching.

469
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: And then going back to what you said about thinking

470
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 1: about what people tell you when people compliment you on

471
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: I had multiple people tell me you would make a

472
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 1: good teacher. Have you thought about that? And every time

473
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: I would say, no, that ain't for me. And so

474
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 1: what became available, what was available to me was a

475
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 1: job teaching, and I went into it and I fell

476
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: in love with it, and right now I do both.

477
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: So I teach and I practice, and it's a lot

478
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: of work, but I thoroughly enjoy it. I get up

479
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: every morning knowing that at some point in my day

480
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,479
Speaker 1: I'm going to have Hopefully, my goal is to have

481
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:51,199
Speaker 1: a positive impact on someone. And my job as a

482
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 1: psychologist is not to give advice, but it's to help

483
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 1: people be their best selves.

484
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 2: That's amazing, dom I think about, That's just I wonder

485
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 2: what I don't know. I'm just kind of speciously. I'm

486
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 2: speechless because I think about how cool that is to

487
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 2: know from that age that, oh, this is what I

488
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 2: want to do, and just and I know some people

489
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: like that. Like I told you there was a girl

490
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 2: that I know when we were off air who wanted

491
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,239
Speaker 2: to be a dentist since she was a kid, and

492
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 2: she mapped that thing out and she's a dentist today,

493
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 2: and I'm like, that is so cool. And I think

494
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 2: about how we both have different experiences. But I mean,

495
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter what the journey is like. The

496
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 2: journey has lessons that we need to learn. There are

497
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: going to be obstacles that we're going to face that

498
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 2: are going to make us stronger. And it's I think

499
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 2: it's all about constantly checking in with yourself too, to

500
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 2: see am I still interested in this right? And I

501
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 2: guess for me, my question would be being as though

502
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 2: you've been on this journey for so long, it hasn't

503
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 2: Though you've had obstacles and you know, you faced personal things,

504
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 2: it hasn't changed much. I know I'm a person that

505
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 2: gets bored easily. How do you keep it fresh when

506
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 2: you know what you what you wanted to do and

507
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: you're like, I've been on this journey for like ten

508
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 2: because you said four years of undergrad and then six

509
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 2: years of grad school. Yeah, like that's some dedication. But

510
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 2: I guess it is your passion. I don't know how

511
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 2: do they keep it well?

512
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 1: What I'll say is that this year starting the podcast

513
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 1: with something new for me, right, and so it's taking

514
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: me out of my comfort zone in terms of I mean, now,

515
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: granted we are sitting here. I mean if you could

516
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: see us, then we're pretty comfortable over here. But and

517
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: so I'm not like in front of a crowd, but

518
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: I'm this is a space where I feel like I'm

519
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: still able to talk about my passion or live my passion.

520
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: Because we talk about mental health all the time, and

521
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: for me, what I'm most passionate about is reducing stigma

522
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: around mental health and helping us all to be our

523
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: best selves, whatever that may look like.

524
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 2: And so.

525
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: Starting this podcast has been an opportunity for me to

526
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: kind of find a new way to stay engaged in

527
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: my passion.

528
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 2: That's amazing. Wow, I'm just taking it all in, just

529
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: taking it all in.

530
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Speaker 1: What would you recommend for people to keep it fresh, because,

531
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: like you said, like your journey has been a little

532
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: bit different from.

533
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 2: Mine, it has. It's definitely been very different. There's been

534
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 2: there's been a lot of uncertainty, and I think the majority,

535
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 2: like we were saying, the majority of people are in

536
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 2: a place where they're like, I don't know what the

537
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: fuck I'm doing over here. I'm just trying. I'm just

538
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: figuring it out. And so I think a lot of

539
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: it was that. But I've noticed those common themes, and

540
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 2: I think paying attention to those themes and taking personality

541
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: tests and really going inward to figure out, you know,

542
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: not who is Terry, right, not who is the person

543
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: I'm portraying to the world, Because there were a lot

544
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 2: of times in the journey where I didn't know myself

545
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: and I was like, you don't know yourself. It's so

546
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 2: easy to get wrapped up in other people right and

547
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: putting trial on other people and you like something about

548
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: someone that you tried on for yourself, but like really

549
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 2: getting clear on who I am, so whether it's going

550
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 2: to therapy, doing the personality tests, those have been really

551
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: helpful for me. I found that some of those personality tests,

552
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 2: like Meyers Briggs, it tells you what career paths you

553
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 2: might be good for based on your personality, and so

554
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 2: that's been really helpful I think in keeping it interesting,

555
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 2: just being open to try new things. Like I guess

556
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 2: we should dive into our tips for finding your passion

557
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 2: and purpose because I think a lot of that is

558
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 2: going to be covered in those and so I think

559
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 2: the first is to have a vision and write it down.

560
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 2: So sometimes people are like, well I don't know what

561
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: I want to do, Okay, Well write down what you

562
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 2: don't want, because I'm telling you, when you figure out

563
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 2: what you don't want, it makes it a lot easier

564
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 2: for you to get closer to what you do want.

565
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 2: And I think that also I can down the lifestyle

566
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 2: you want. Your path was more so career focused and

567
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 2: you had very I want to say measurable goals yes

568
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 2: along that path, which is beautiful for me, I think

569
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 2: myth it was more so like lifestyle focused at that.

570
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 2: So I've had various careers. I mean I've worked almost

571
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 2: I've worked so many different jobs and so many different places.

572
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 2: But I think for me it was always Okay, I

573
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: want to be in a place where I'm helping other people,

574
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: and that's so vague, right, But as I began to

575
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 2: evolve and grow, I realized that I wanted to help

576
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 2: people in a certain way and that became clear to me.

577
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,239
Speaker 2: So for me today, it's helping people and empowering them

578
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 2: to become their best selves. So I got a bit

579
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: more I guess clarity on what helping people really meant

580
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 2: for me. It's like tried on different careers as I

581
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 2: worked at different jobs and I realized, oh, I definitely

582
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 2: don't want to do that shit again. And so for

583
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: me it was more so like what lifestyle do I

584
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: want to live? And so if you don't know what

585
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 2: you want to do, write down what you don't want

586
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: and also write down what is your ideal goal as

587
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: far as lifestyle, Like what do you want to be

588
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 2: able to do? Because sometimes we get wrapped up on

589
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 2: the material things, right, some people are like, oh I

590
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 2: want to get me this to do that. But it's like,

591
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 2: think about what you want your career or your path

592
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: to allow you to do. Do you want to just

593
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: have you know, two weeks of unlimited peachy or not unlimited?

594
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 2: But do you want to have I don't know, three

595
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: weeks of vacation per year? If that's going to be important,

596
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 2: look for that in your next job, right, right? Do

597
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 2: you want to make a certain amount of money for

598
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: your family and for what you want to do? Have

599
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 2: you wise, like think about the things that you want

600
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,239
Speaker 2: your career or your passion to allow you to do,

601
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 2: and that could also lead you closer to that.

602
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: And I would say too, to identify your why. That's

603
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: step two, to identify your why, because if you say, okay,

604
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: I have this set salary that I think this is

605
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: my goal, right, depending on your passion, it may take

606
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: a long time to get there. You know, you said

607
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: that one of the things that deterred you from psychology

608
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: was that someone told you, well, if you're going to

609
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: make money, you need to have a PhD. So basically,

610
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: like if you have a bachelor's in psychology, there's not

611
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: much you can do. There's a lot that you can

612
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: do with a bachelor's in psychology. It can be the

613
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: foundation for so many different careers. But that's my bias

614
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: because it's my feeling. But I say that to say

615
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: that you your journey to getting reaching that salary goal

616
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: or reaching that certain status within your passion may take

617
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: some time, and you need to know why you're doing it.

618
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: If you're doing it just for the money, then that

619
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: means you might need to find a passion that's going

620
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: to bring you money pretty quickly, because otherwise there's a

621
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: lot of sweat equity that goes into pursuing your passion.

622
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Speaker 2: You better preach, because I'm telling you I've definitely been

623
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 2: in something for the money before. And you know what's funny,

624
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 2: I actually I remember one of the one of my

625
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 2: first jobs after grad school. I was working as a

626
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: hall director at a school and I was making the

627
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 2: most I've ever made right I have my own place.

628
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 2: It was such a comfortable role, everything was great, but

629
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 2: I wasn't passionate about it. And I realized from that job,

630
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: I was like, you know what I have moment, don't

631
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: choose money over your passion, and if you do, try

632
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 2: to find a way back to your passion. Because I

633
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 2: realized that having the money and these things that made

634
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 2: me comfortable, it didn't really make me happy as far

635
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 2: as what I was looking for in a career. And

636
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: then speaking to your why, like, your why can be

637
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 2: that thing that wakes you up in the morning that

638
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 2: gets you excited, right, it could be family, it could

639
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 2: be just a personal goal that you've had for yourself.

640
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: And it's important to also realize that your why can

641
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 2: change over time, like people get. So I feel like

642
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 2: this is maybe like an old school sort of way

643
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 2: of thinking where it's like, oh, if you choose this

644
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: career path, you have to stay there. No, you can evolve,

645
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 2: you can change. I have a mentor, Miss Erica, and

646
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 2: she has changed careers. I mean literally, At one point

647
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,720
Speaker 2: when she was my mentor and I was a teenager,

648
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 2: she had a jewelry business where she sold jewelry at

649
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 2: a Kiosk in the mall. She's been a police officer,

650
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 2: she was a model. She now just opened a funeral home,

651
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 2: like she's a funeral director. She has had almost every

652
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 2: career I can think of, and she's always reinventing herself.

653
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 2: And I feel like sometimes in the world we're pressured

654
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: to stay in this box. You gotta do this one thing. Girl,

655
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to be reimitting myself for the rest of

656
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 2: my life. And I think it's okay for us to

657
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 2: realize that. That's okay, Like it's okay for you to

658
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: reinvent yourself. It's okay free to change your mind, it's okay,

659
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: free to change career paths. It's all about evolving. And

660
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: if you find that, for instance, I have a blog, right,

661
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 2: if I find that that no longer serves me and

662
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 2: I'm no longer happy there, or I've reached my mission

663
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: or goal with that particular project, move on to something else.

664
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 2: You don't got to stay in the same place.

665
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: Forever, exactly, And you don't have to be You're not

666
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: going back to our quote of the day that you know,

667
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: don't confuse who you are with where you are in

668
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: your journey. So, if you know that you have this

669
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: particular passion, you know your why, keep pursuing it and

670
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: know that it will come, that the things that you

671
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: are looking for will come. I had a mentor tell

672
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: me once that, you know, because I was, you know,

673
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 1: fresh out of grad school, and I was like, oh,

674
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: I'm broken. These student loans blah blah blah. Right, the

675
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: real life of somebody fresh out of school, and my

676
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: mentor told me, pursue your passion. The money will come.

677
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: And it's not necessarily looking for a set salary, but

678
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: knowing that if you are pursuing your passion, you be

679
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: satisfied in life overall. You're not looking for a certain

680
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: dollar sign. You know, you're not looking for a certain

681
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: amount of a certain amount of coins in your bank account.

682
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: If you really are pursuing your passion, you will feel

683
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: fine overall.

684
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: And that takes us to tip number three, which is

685
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 2: find a source of inspiration and restore often. I've found

686
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 2: that being in inspiring spaces and with inspiring people has

687
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 2: helped me learn more about myself and also what I

688
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: might be passionate about. So whether that's you finding a

689
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 2: good church or a spiritual community, or a practical self

690
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 2: help book a blog online, I mean, we have so

691
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 2: many online communities these days. You can find a group

692
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 2: for just about any anything, right, whether you think it's

693
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 2: like a quirky little thing that only you're into, like,

694
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: there are groups for everything, and so finding people that

695
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 2: are like minded that can also give you inspiration for

696
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 2: finding your way finding that path.

697
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,959
Speaker 1: I mean, we just realized as we were talking through

698
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: this episode that as kids, we both used to draw

699
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: outfits for characters for stories that we wrote. So and

700
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 1: I was sitting there thinking, I'm the only one who's

701
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: doing that right, and so there is someone else out there.

702
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: There are people out there who share some of the

703
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: same qualities within your passion.

704
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 2: And I don't know about you, but I find that

705
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: when I was like minded people, it has a way

706
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 2: of restoring my energy, right, yes, restoring my energy, but

707
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 2: also giving me like a fresh creative perspective on my life.

708
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: And it's just dope, Like hang out with people that

709
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,720
Speaker 2: inspire you. I think that's that's always good for the journey.

710
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 2: So you know, even if that includes you know, frequent

711
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 2: chats with positive family members or friends, inspiring music, whatever

712
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 2: it is, being around inspiring people has a way of lifting.

713
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: You up and that takes us to step four. So

714
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: where you want to go. So when you find those

715
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: people who are your sources of inspiration, find ways to

716
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: connect with them and learn from them on their level,

717
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: like engage in those conversations with them. So don't just say, Okay,

718
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: here's my source of inspiration. I'm just gonna sit and

719
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 1: watch in wonderment. That's great at first, right, because you know,

720
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: observation is key, but you're not gonna be able to

721
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: take your passion further if you're not actually pouring into it.

722
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: So part of pouring into it, to me, means having

723
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: a conversation with people who are where you want to

724
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: be to figure out how to get there.

725
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more dom And I think that when

726
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: I look back on my journey, one thing I notice

727
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 2: is that I have helped so many other people with

728
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 2: their vision. And I'm a firm believer that what we

729
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: help someone else do, God will help us do. Like

730
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: if you have a positive attitude and you may not

731
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 2: be where you want to be, but you see this

732
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: young sister out here who's doing her thing, and she's

733
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,959
Speaker 2: you know, making stuff happen. So into her. So whether

734
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 2: that's compliments, whether that's a financially, if you can do

735
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,720
Speaker 2: so financially, if you can buy her book or invest

736
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 2: in her some way, do that because I promise you,

737
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 2: when you put that good energy out there, it will

738
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 2: come back to you. And I've helped so many people,

739
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 2: whether it's like a you know, a friend that has

740
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 2: a business and I'm working for them for a discountant rate,

741
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,919
Speaker 2: or you know, even my church at home, like I've

742
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 2: helped them do so much and just kind of giving back,

743
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 2: you know, to the ministry or just friends in general.

744
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 2: Like I'm a big advocate for supporting black businesses as well.

745
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 2: And so when I see, okay, for example, I'll give

746
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: you an example here. So when I wanted to start

747
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 2: a blog back and what was that twenty eleven, twenty twelve,

748
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: I didn't know what to do. So I went online

749
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 2: and did my googles, and I found this woman who

750
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 2: had started a blog, and I was like, oh cool,

751
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 2: she has a coaching program. It was reasonably priced. So

752
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 2: I called her up for a coaching program and I

753
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 2: bought some of her resources so I could learn for myself, right,

754
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 2: So swing into myself, but also investing in her business.

755
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 2: So I think when you come from a place of

756
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: just genuine when you come from a place where you

757
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 2: want to genuinely help other people, I just believe that

758
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 2: good things are going to come to you.

759
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I like what you said about investing in yourself, right,

760
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: And so I think that's part of that process, is

761
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: that in investing in yourself. I mean, let's be real.

762
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: For a lot of us, investing in ourselves might appear

763
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: hard because we're looking at investing and we're equating that

764
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: with finances, and investing in ourselves does not necessarily mean

765
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: just from a financial perspective. It means investing time in ourselfs. So,

766
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: like you said, taking time to do those personality tests

767
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: to kind of figure out where you who you are,

768
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: and taking advantage of free resources that will help you

769
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 1: invest in yourself. And no matter what city you live in,

770
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: there are tons of free resources out there for you

771
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: to get the assistance to pour into you to help

772
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 1: you figure out where you want to go.

773
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 2: And we have Google, So come on, now, anything is

774
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 2: what googleable? I'm gonna just say, I'm just I don't know.

775
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: That's the word that's gonna be in the Westerns dictionary.

776
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: Pretty similarly, everything is googleable.

777
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 2: You can google anything. So whether you want to start

778
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 2: a business, start a podcast, right, that's what we did.

779
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 2: We would do on YouTube, like how do we start

780
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 2: a podcast? We didn't know what we were doing, and

781
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 2: so there are no excuses for us not to invest

782
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 2: in ourselves when we have so many resources at our disposal.

783
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 2: And the thing about it is, you know, we have

784
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 2: to be willing to invest in ourselves before we ask

785
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 2: other people to invest in us. This one guy that

786
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 2: I know and he started this company, and he was

787
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: so quick to ask people, Oh, can you do this?

788
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 2: Can you do that? But it's like, bro, you're not

789
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: even doing anything for yourself. And the thing about it

790
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: is people are more inclined to invest in you when

791
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 2: they see that you're excited and you're investing in yourself.

792
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 2: So before anyone invest in you, we should be really

793
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: investing in ourselves. Like if you think about the podcast,

794
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 2: we didn't go out asking for handouts. We put our

795
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 2: time in, We studied, we read, we learned, we fell forward.

796
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 2: I mean, we figured it out. And now people are

797
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 2: you coming to the podcast to offer feedback and to

798
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: you know, ask us to be you know, featured on

799
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 2: their platforms and things like that. But it's because we

800
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 2: believed in ourselves first. And so I think that's really

801
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 2: really important.

802
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 1: And I think the key with that too is one

803
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: and please understand that we are still growing in this

804
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: and that part of your journey means that there's not

805
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: necessarily an end to the journey. Like you're constantly moving forward,

806
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: and so that leads us to step five, create a

807
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 1: roadmap or find one. So creating that roadmap can look

808
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: like setting goals can look like outlining what it's going

809
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: to take to like concrete steps. Right, So for me,

810
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: initially I had that roadmap of Okay, from high school

811
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: to the PhD, what does this look like? And I

812
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: created a roadmap. Now part of my part of my

813
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: struggle was figuring out, well, what does the roadmap look

814
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: like after graduation? And I think for me what it

815
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 1: also meant was stepping back and realizing that the roadmap

816
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: is not something that is set in stone. There's going

817
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 1: to be lots of wiggle room and your goals, some

818
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: of those goals may get pushed back or may have

819
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: to come sooner than you expected. But at least have

820
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: some idea of the direction you want to go in.

821
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: And so again that roadmap doesn't have to have a

822
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: point by point, turn by turn navigation, but at least

823
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: have some idea of the direction you're trying to get to.

824
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 2: You to have an idea of where you're trying to

825
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 2: get to or where you're like, hell, no, I definitely

826
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 2: don't want to go there, write that too, because that'll

827
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 2: let you know, Okay, this is off limits. Let me

828
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 2: go to the other way. I think that's spot on.

829
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 2: And I think there's a quote. I think it's by

830
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 2: Henry Ford, but it says, if you believe you can,

831
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 2: you can. If you believe you can't, you can't. And

832
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 2: there was a recent experience that I shared with Dom

833
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 2: over dinner where I'm doing this new workout plan, trying

834
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 2: to bulk up a little bit, getting a gym, get

835
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 2: them muscles for the summer. And I was telling her

836
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 2: how the mail plan that I have, they're requiring, or

837
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: they're suggesting, that I drink two gallons of water a day.

838
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 2: And when I first read that, I was like, oh, hell,

839
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 2: that's not even possible. That's literally the first that I had.

840
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 2: I was like, that's not possible. Number one, I'm too

841
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 2: small to be drinking two gallons of water a day,

842
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 2: and even these six meals. And so I reread the

843
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 2: content and I was like, oh, this is interesting. I

844
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 2: noticed within myself like I have a limiting belief right now,

845
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 2: like I don't think even though this calls for me

846
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 2: to drink two gallons of water, I don't think it's possible.

847
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 2: And because I don't think it's possible, because I'm still

848
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 2: working on that belief, that shuts off any chance of

849
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: me accomplishing that because I've already told myself in my

850
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 2: mind it ain't possible. I can't do it. It's just

851
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 2: not a thing. It's funny, though. I talked to my

852
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 2: colleague the other day and he does jiu jit too,

853
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 2: and he was telling me that he drinks two gawns

854
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:04,720
Speaker 2: of water a day when he's trying to cut weight.

855
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, so it is possible and

856
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 2: he's like yeah, And I was like, okay, so that

857
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 2: means if he can do it, I can probably do

858
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 2: it too. This is like a real thing. People do

859
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Speaker 2: drink two gawns of water a day. But it was

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Speaker 2: in that moment how something so simple, right two gowns

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Speaker 2: of water day house Believing something or the lack of belief,

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Speaker 2: can really impact how we show up. So if you're

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Speaker 2: I'm going to gain weight, or I'm going to start

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Speaker 2: this blog or start this business. But in the back

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Speaker 2: of your mind, you're like, I can't do that shit,

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Speaker 2: it's not possible. People that look like me can't do it,

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Speaker 2: or no one in my family has done it. Guess

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Speaker 2: what you are literally that is a self fulfilling prophecy.

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Speaker 2: You are literally speaking that limitation on yourself. And just

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Speaker 2: like if I continue to say to myself and believe

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Speaker 2: that I cannot drink two gowns of water day, that's

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Speaker 2: just still seems bizarre. But I'm opening up to that

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Speaker 2: you got this, got to it, and I'm being honest

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Speaker 2: with myself, like you know what, this is where I'm

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Speaker 2: at today, because that shit really does seem like I

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Speaker 2: don't see how I'm gonna be able to do that

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Speaker 2: and do my job, and like I'm gonna be running

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Speaker 2: in to the bathroom. But you see how I'm like

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Speaker 2: making excuses. I'm still struggling with that right now. And

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Speaker 2: so I just had a real moment and I wanted

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Speaker 2: to share that with you, that our beliefs are so powerful.

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Speaker 2: So even if you're in your mind it's like saying, oh,

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Speaker 2: you can't do it, combat that with no, Yes you can.

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Speaker 2: And that's what I'm going to work on myself. You

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Speaker 2: do it and I'll do it as well. We'll see

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Speaker 2: where we end up.

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Speaker 1: It's July. We have a little under six months left

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Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. Let's do this. You have time to

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Speaker 1: start that road map to start your journey, whatever that

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Speaker 1: journey is. You have time to take some actionable steps.

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Speaker 1: And if you need help with trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: how to create those actionable steps, go back in our

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Speaker 1: archives to season one one. Episode two will talk about

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Speaker 1: how to manage your time, and episode three will talk

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Speaker 1: about how to overcome procrastination, which is a thing that

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Speaker 1: will keep us from actively pursuing our passion. So we'll

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Speaker 1: check in on the her Space sanctuary to see how

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Speaker 1: we are doing with pursuing our purpose and our passion.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us today in her Space. Please note

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Speaker 1: that our show may contain conversations about self help, advice,

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Speaker 1: self empowerment, and mental health, but it is by no

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Speaker 1: means meant to be a substitute for an ongoing formal

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Speaker 1: relationship with a trained mental health provider. If you are

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Speaker 3: Heard and want to keep the conversation going, connect with

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Speaker 3: or check out our website at herspacepodcast dot com. And

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Speaker 3: before we meet again, repeat after me, I will not

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Speaker 3: judge myself for where I'm starting. I'm making progress every day.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. We'll see you next week.

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