WEBVTT - Short Stuff: 1955 Le Mans Disaster

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's Chuck and Jerry's here for Dave. So let's get

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<v Speaker 1>it going about a really terrible disaster that happened back

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen fifty five in France.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, the disaster at Lamon's very dark time for

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<v Speaker 2>motorsports history. Something I've never been into, although I did

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<v Speaker 2>see the f one movie on a plane recently.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you were telling me about it. You were telling

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<v Speaker 1>me that as one of the better movies you've ever

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<v Speaker 1>seen in your life, if I remember correctly.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I did not. I think I spoke to it,

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<v Speaker 2>spoke about it on the show even But this all

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<v Speaker 2>occurred on June eleventh, nineteen fifty five. We should probably

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<v Speaker 2>tell you a little bit about Lamon's as a race,

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<v Speaker 2>because it is different than you know, if you're just

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<v Speaker 2>sort of a casual race person and you're like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they they drive around a track a certain amount of

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<v Speaker 2>times and then somebody wins. Once you've completed the two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred laps.

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<v Speaker 1>They just turn left a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is not what happens at Lamon's. I think

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to hold a ninety fourth one this June.

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<v Speaker 2>It is an endurance race where you drive along with

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<v Speaker 2>two racing partners. There's three drivers and they take turns,

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<v Speaker 2>but you drive for twenty four hours and whoever completes

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<v Speaker 2>the most laps in that twenty four hours is the winter.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes. And in Lamon's in particular, the track is called

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<v Speaker 1>the Circuit de la Sarth and it's a d shape

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<v Speaker 1>about eight and a half miles or thirteen point seven

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<v Speaker 1>kilometers around, and it's not only made of racetrack, but

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<v Speaker 1>they also incorporate some actual public roads that get shut

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<v Speaker 1>down for the race. It's made of racetrack, it's made

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<v Speaker 1>of racetrack and public roads. I think that's fascinating. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>it is.

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<v Speaker 2>There's other races like this, there's public road like fully

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<v Speaker 2>public road races.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, and I find those fascinating too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Look, man, weirdly defensive about this.

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<v Speaker 1>So for Lemon's in particular, in this it's a twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four hour endurance race. Like you said, like really famous

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<v Speaker 1>car makers, especially by this time in the fifties, like

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<v Speaker 1>the top car makers would enter a car, hire an

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<v Speaker 1>elite driver and say get to it. And the distances

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<v Speaker 1>that they're covering in this twenty four hours on this

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<v Speaker 1>eight and a half mile track are akin to driving

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty four hours from New York to la or

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<v Speaker 1>Berlin to Athens, which I'm not even sure you can

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<v Speaker 1>do because Athens is in Greece, which is an island,

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<v Speaker 1>but you get the gist, or from Perth to Sydney.

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<v Speaker 1>So no matter where you are in the world, you

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<v Speaker 1>now realize that this is a really long amount of

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<v Speaker 1>miles or kilometers that they're driving on this d shaped

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<v Speaker 1>track in twenty four hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure. And they were even back then driving

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<v Speaker 2>really fast. I think the all time track record speed

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<v Speaker 2>like the tip top on a straightaway would be two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty three miles an hour, which was nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty eight. But even the nineteen fifties, you know this

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<v Speaker 2>crash occurred, I saw one hundred and twenty up to

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and fifty miles an hour. So they were

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<v Speaker 2>driving these cars really really fast even back then. And

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I almost feel like we should take

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<v Speaker 2>an early break there.

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<v Speaker 1>I need too.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's do it and we'll come back. We're in agreement.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it, all right. So the tragedy that unfolded

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<v Speaker 2>that day in nineteen fifty five was pretty much due

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<v Speaker 2>to a very poor track design along with a bad

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<v Speaker 2>maneuver by a driver. The poor design meaning, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when you're if you don't know anything about auto racing,

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<v Speaker 2>there's something called a pit and a pit crew, and

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<v Speaker 2>you pull in and get like gas and get your

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<v Speaker 2>tires change and get your windows clean and whatever else

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<v Speaker 2>the car needs at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually watched NASCAR for like a season in thely

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<v Speaker 2>to mid two thousands. For some reason I got into it.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you have a favorite driver?

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<v Speaker 2>I did, and I can't remember his name now I

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<v Speaker 2>could picture him in my head. He drove the UPS car,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever his name was.

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<v Speaker 1>He drove a UPS car that be pretty impressive.

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<v Speaker 2>He was sponsored by UPS.

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<v Speaker 1>He was known for doing like wheelings in his UPS

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<v Speaker 1>car and going into donuts in the middle because he

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<v Speaker 1>knew he was never going And here comes a box

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<v Speaker 1>truck on the outside lane. He's wearing those shorts legs.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, this is crazy. Uh yeah it was. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a short flirtation birtation excuse me, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Heavy heavy bairtation, heavy heavy ritation.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was a quarter mile long stretch. This pit

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<v Speaker 2>road was. In this case, everyone was really tightly packed together,

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<v Speaker 2>so there wasn't enough space to begin with, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was right the on top of the track. It was

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<v Speaker 2>right along the edge. So if you wanted to complete

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<v Speaker 2>a pit stop, you had to cut to the right

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<v Speaker 2>really really quickly and then break really really severely, because

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<v Speaker 2>if you overshot and didn't do that, then you know

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<v Speaker 2>you can't go backwards, so you have to drive another

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<v Speaker 2>lap around. Sometimes you might not be able to right,

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<v Speaker 2>and so you know you have every incentive to like

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<v Speaker 2>make that tough move and quick stop to get in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and so the layout of the pit was bad enough,

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<v Speaker 1>like it was the thing that set the stage for

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<v Speaker 1>this disaster, but it was actually a terrible, terrible decision

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<v Speaker 1>by one of the drivers that actually triggered the disaster.

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<v Speaker 1>Paint a picture, thank you. Here I go. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>dabbing my paintbrush to my tongue and interceding. I got

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<v Speaker 1>to beat the devil out of the brush first.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's what they say.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what Bob Ross always said. Oh that's right. So

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<v Speaker 1>this driver's name is Mike Hawthorne. He was driving a

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<v Speaker 1>Jaguar for the Jaguar team and he was going in

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<v Speaker 1>for a pit stop, and as he was coming in,

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<v Speaker 1>there was another driver driving in Austin Heely. His name

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<v Speaker 1>was Lance Macklin, and Lance Macklin saw that a pack

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<v Speaker 1>of faster drivers, including Mike Hawthorne, were coming up behind him,

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<v Speaker 1>so Lance Macklin very courteously got over so they could

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<v Speaker 1>get around him easily. But right as he got over,

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Hawthorne wanted to go into the pit well rather

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<v Speaker 1>than just tailgate Lance Macklin for three four seconds maybe

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<v Speaker 1>and then veer into the pit. After Lance Macklin cleared it,

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Hawthorne overtook Lance Macklin and then slammed on his brakes.

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<v Speaker 1>That caused Lance Macklin to have to veer to the

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<v Speaker 1>left severely, and when he did ve to the left,

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<v Speaker 1>he veered right into the path of another driver named

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<v Speaker 1>Pierre Levegg, who was driving a Mercedes, and it went

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<v Speaker 1>really badly from that moment on.

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<v Speaker 2>So, like I said earlier, he was I heard a

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<v Speaker 2>contemporaneous call of this whole thing as one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>twenty miles an hour, but maybe up to one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and fifty either way. Super fast. He hit that Austin Healy,

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<v Speaker 2>the sort of sloped back of that car acted like

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<v Speaker 2>a ramp and it launched Levegg and that Mercedes obviously

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<v Speaker 2>into the air. Apparently, Macklin said later he could feel

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<v Speaker 2>the heat from the exhaust as it flew over him,

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<v Speaker 2>which is crazy to think about. The Mercedes ran up

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<v Speaker 2>afore foot embankment and earthen embankment that was supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>protect spectators, hit a concrete staircase, burst into flames and exploded,

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<v Speaker 2>and I mean you could look this up on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't see the actual crash, but you see the

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<v Speaker 2>explosion and very disturbingly you see very large car parts

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<v Speaker 2>just being hurled at, you know, one hundred miles an

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<v Speaker 2>hour plus into people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is Yeah, it's bad enough that peer Leveg

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<v Speaker 1>his car burst into flames and he died. But this

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<v Speaker 1>is where it gets particularly catastrophic because the front axle

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<v Speaker 1>to the car wheels that had come loose from the

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<v Speaker 1>act soul, the hood, the radiator, and the engine just

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<v Speaker 1>went flying at like over one hundred miles an hour

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<v Speaker 1>each through the crowd and just cut through the crowd

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<v Speaker 1>like a scythe and the path of destruction was just staggering.

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<v Speaker 1>What happened to the poor people who were standing in

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<v Speaker 1>the grand stands and were in the path of those

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<v Speaker 1>car parts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because it was randomized, because there were individual car parts,

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<v Speaker 2>So you could be standing in one case this really happened.

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<v Speaker 2>You could be standing and ended up just fine next

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<v Speaker 2>to someone who was decapitated. Yeah, and nothing happened to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Very sadly, there was one little girl who was trampled,

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<v Speaker 2>still holding onto her ice cream cone. Leveg died, like

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<v Speaker 2>you said, but it was an instant thing. I think

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<v Speaker 2>fifty people died instantly, and eighty three spectators ended up

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<v Speaker 2>dying and close to two hundred ended up injured, like

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<v Speaker 2>including Leveg. Eighty four people killed at this race.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So there was a really controversial decision that was

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<v Speaker 1>made by the race director, and that was to allow

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four hours of Lamon's to continue. This happened at

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<v Speaker 1>like hour two and a half.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds crazy, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're like, what a disgusting psychopath. But history has

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<v Speaker 1>actually vindicated the race director, I don't know his name,

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<v Speaker 1>but that he made the right move because the ha

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<v Speaker 1>had He said, you know, the race needs to end

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<v Speaker 1>right now. All those spectators who needed aid in whose

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<v Speaker 1>lives would have probably ended had they not received aid

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<v Speaker 1>pretty quickly. The emergency crews trying to reach them would

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<v Speaker 1>have been swamped by all those spectators leaving all at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time. So it seems quite heartless, but it

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<v Speaker 1>actually was the right move to make.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wonder if that was the reason, though, do

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<v Speaker 2>we know that or if it's just like in retrospect

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<v Speaker 2>it worked out better.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I want to just believe in humanity.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm going to say that that guy had that

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<v Speaker 1>level of foresight.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope. So. Regardless, Mike Hawthorne, the guy who caused

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<v Speaker 2>the crash, won the race. And no matter how history

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<v Speaker 2>looks at that decision, like him popping the champagne at

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<v Speaker 2>the end, when twenty one hours earlier, eighty people or

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<v Speaker 2>eighty four people had died, it's a tough bill to swallow,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, not just died, died because of him, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>like just celebrating like it's the end of whatever race,

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<v Speaker 1>any other race, you know. Yeah, he never claimed responsibility

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<v Speaker 1>for it. He would he would never take accountability. In

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<v Speaker 1>two years after that, he died in a car wreck

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<v Speaker 1>when he was racing a friend and when he overtook

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<v Speaker 1>the friend that was when he spun out and died.

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<v Speaker 1>He was also driving a Jaguar, so his death was

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<v Speaker 1>quite ironic. I say, hats off to the Mercedes team

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<v Speaker 1>because even though the race continued, they withdrew and they

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<v Speaker 1>waited until the emergency crews had done their thing and

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<v Speaker 1>cleared out, and they packed up, and they withdrew from

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<v Speaker 1>the race at one am, and they stopped racing all

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<v Speaker 1>the way until the nineteen eighties because of that incident.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, it really shook up the industry. Obviously

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<v Speaker 2>in the sport. There were official inquiries. Obviously everyone was absolved.

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<v Speaker 2>No one had to take the fall or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>They said, you know, we didn't have the right safety measures,

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't have the right layout. I didn't see if

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<v Speaker 2>there was any kind of like financial compensation to victims

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<v Speaker 2>or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't either.

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<v Speaker 2>It may have been at a time where that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of thing just didn't routinely happen like.

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<v Speaker 1>It would today.

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<v Speaker 2>But there was obviously a huge public outcry, and that

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<v Speaker 2>track obviously went under all kinds of changes, including, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>more safety for the spectators, more barriers put in place,

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<v Speaker 2>and then a much safer pit situation, Like they fully

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<v Speaker 2>moved the pit road and made it much safer to

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<v Speaker 2>get into.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they moved it like a quarter mile back from

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<v Speaker 1>the track rather than right up on the track, which

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe they ever did that in the first place,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, even in retrospect. Well, way to go, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a car one and we don't normally do

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<v Speaker 1>car stuff, so great, congrats, thanks right back at you.

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<v Speaker 1>Well and then short stuff is that.

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