1 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh, and 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: there's Chuck and Jerry's here for Dave. So let's get 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: it going about a really terrible disaster that happened back 4 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty five in France. 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 2: That's right, the disaster at Lamon's very dark time for 6 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 2: motorsports history. Something I've never been into, although I did 7 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 2: see the f one movie on a plane recently. 8 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, you were telling me about it. You were telling 9 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 1: me that as one of the better movies you've ever 10 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: seen in your life, if I remember correctly. 11 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 2: No, I did not. I think I spoke to it, 12 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:40,959 Speaker 2: spoke about it on the show even But this all 13 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 2: occurred on June eleventh, nineteen fifty five. We should probably 14 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 2: tell you a little bit about Lamon's as a race, 15 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: because it is different than you know, if you're just 16 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: sort of a casual race person and you're like, yeah, 17 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 2: they they drive around a track a certain amount of 18 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 2: times and then somebody wins. Once you've completed the two 19 00:00:58,960 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 2: hundred laps. 20 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: They just turn left a lot. 21 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that is not what happens at Lamon's. I think 22 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 2: they're going to hold a ninety fourth one this June. 23 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: It is an endurance race where you drive along with 24 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 2: two racing partners. There's three drivers and they take turns, 25 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 2: but you drive for twenty four hours and whoever completes 26 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: the most laps in that twenty four hours is the winter. 27 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: Yes. And in Lamon's in particular, the track is called 28 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: the Circuit de la Sarth and it's a d shape 29 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 1: about eight and a half miles or thirteen point seven 30 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: kilometers around, and it's not only made of racetrack, but 31 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: they also incorporate some actual public roads that get shut 32 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: down for the race. It's made of racetrack, it's made 33 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: of racetrack and public roads. I think that's fascinating. Oh 34 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: it is. 35 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 2: There's other races like this, there's public road like fully 36 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 2: public road races. 37 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: I know, and I find those fascinating too. 38 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, man, weirdly defensive about this. 39 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: So for Lemon's in particular, in this it's a twenty 40 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: four hour endurance race. Like you said, like really famous 41 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: car makers, especially by this time in the fifties, like 42 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: the top car makers would enter a car, hire an 43 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: elite driver and say get to it. And the distances 44 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: that they're covering in this twenty four hours on this 45 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: eight and a half mile track are akin to driving 46 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: in twenty four hours from New York to la or 47 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: Berlin to Athens, which I'm not even sure you can 48 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: do because Athens is in Greece, which is an island, 49 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: but you get the gist, or from Perth to Sydney. 50 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: So no matter where you are in the world, you 51 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: now realize that this is a really long amount of 52 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: miles or kilometers that they're driving on this d shaped 53 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: track in twenty four hours. 54 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. And they were even back then driving 55 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 2: really fast. I think the all time track record speed 56 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 2: like the tip top on a straightaway would be two 57 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty three miles an hour, which was nineteen 58 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 2: eighty eight. But even the nineteen fifties, you know this 59 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 2: crash occurred, I saw one hundred and twenty up to 60 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty miles an hour. So they were 61 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 2: driving these cars really really fast even back then. And 62 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: I don't know, I almost feel like we should take 63 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 2: an early break there. 64 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 1: I need too. 65 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 2: Okay, let's do it and we'll come back. We're in agreement. 66 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 2: I love it, all right. So the tragedy that unfolded 67 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: that day in nineteen fifty five was pretty much due 68 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 2: to a very poor track design along with a bad 69 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 2: maneuver by a driver. The poor design meaning, you know, 70 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 2: when you're if you don't know anything about auto racing, 71 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 2: there's something called a pit and a pit crew, and 72 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: you pull in and get like gas and get your 73 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 2: tires change and get your windows clean and whatever else 74 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 2: the car needs at the time. 75 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: Sure. Uh. 76 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: I actually watched NASCAR for like a season in thely 77 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 2: to mid two thousands. For some reason I got into it. 78 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: Did you have a favorite driver? 79 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 2: I did, and I can't remember his name now I 80 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 2: could picture him in my head. He drove the UPS car, 81 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 2: whatever his name was. 82 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 1: He drove a UPS car that be pretty impressive. 83 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 2: He was sponsored by UPS. 84 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: He was known for doing like wheelings in his UPS 85 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: car and going into donuts in the middle because he 86 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: knew he was never going And here comes a box 87 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: truck on the outside lane. He's wearing those shorts legs. 88 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: Oh man, this is crazy. Uh yeah it was. It 89 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 2: was a short flirtation birtation excuse me, so. 90 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: Heavy heavy bairtation, heavy heavy ritation. 91 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 2: So it was a quarter mile long stretch. This pit 92 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 2: road was. In this case, everyone was really tightly packed together, 93 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 2: so there wasn't enough space to begin with, and it 94 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 2: was right the on top of the track. It was 95 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 2: right along the edge. So if you wanted to complete 96 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 2: a pit stop, you had to cut to the right 97 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 2: really really quickly and then break really really severely, because 98 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: if you overshot and didn't do that, then you know 99 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 2: you can't go backwards, so you have to drive another 100 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 2: lap around. Sometimes you might not be able to right, 101 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 2: and so you know you have every incentive to like 102 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 2: make that tough move and quick stop to get in there. 103 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: Yes, and so the layout of the pit was bad enough, 104 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: like it was the thing that set the stage for 105 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: this disaster, but it was actually a terrible, terrible decision 106 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: by one of the drivers that actually triggered the disaster. 107 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: Paint a picture, thank you. Here I go. I'm just 108 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: dabbing my paintbrush to my tongue and interceding. I got 109 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: to beat the devil out of the brush first. 110 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 2: Okay, that's what they say. 111 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: That's what Bob Ross always said. Oh that's right. So 112 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: this driver's name is Mike Hawthorne. He was driving a 113 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: Jaguar for the Jaguar team and he was going in 114 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: for a pit stop, and as he was coming in, 115 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: there was another driver driving in Austin Heely. His name 116 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: was Lance Macklin, and Lance Macklin saw that a pack 117 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: of faster drivers, including Mike Hawthorne, were coming up behind him, 118 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: so Lance Macklin very courteously got over so they could 119 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: get around him easily. But right as he got over, 120 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 1: Mike Hawthorne wanted to go into the pit well rather 121 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: than just tailgate Lance Macklin for three four seconds maybe 122 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: and then veer into the pit. After Lance Macklin cleared it, 123 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: Mike Hawthorne overtook Lance Macklin and then slammed on his brakes. 124 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: That caused Lance Macklin to have to veer to the 125 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: left severely, and when he did ve to the left, 126 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: he veered right into the path of another driver named 127 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: Pierre Levegg, who was driving a Mercedes, and it went 128 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: really badly from that moment on. 129 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 2: So, like I said earlier, he was I heard a 130 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 2: contemporaneous call of this whole thing as one hundred and 131 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 2: twenty miles an hour, but maybe up to one hundred 132 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,679 Speaker 2: and fifty either way. Super fast. He hit that Austin Healy, 133 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 2: the sort of sloped back of that car acted like 134 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 2: a ramp and it launched Levegg and that Mercedes obviously 135 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: into the air. Apparently, Macklin said later he could feel 136 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 2: the heat from the exhaust as it flew over him, 137 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 2: which is crazy to think about. The Mercedes ran up 138 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 2: afore foot embankment and earthen embankment that was supposed to 139 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 2: protect spectators, hit a concrete staircase, burst into flames and exploded, 140 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 2: and I mean you could look this up on YouTube. 141 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 2: You can't see the actual crash, but you see the 142 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 2: explosion and very disturbingly you see very large car parts 143 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 2: just being hurled at, you know, one hundred miles an 144 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 2: hour plus into people. 145 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is Yeah, it's bad enough that peer Leveg 146 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: his car burst into flames and he died. But this 147 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: is where it gets particularly catastrophic because the front axle 148 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: to the car wheels that had come loose from the 149 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: act soul, the hood, the radiator, and the engine just 150 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: went flying at like over one hundred miles an hour 151 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: each through the crowd and just cut through the crowd 152 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: like a scythe and the path of destruction was just staggering. 153 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: What happened to the poor people who were standing in 154 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: the grand stands and were in the path of those 155 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: car parts. 156 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, because it was randomized, because there were individual car parts, 157 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 2: So you could be standing in one case this really happened. 158 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 2: You could be standing and ended up just fine next 159 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 2: to someone who was decapitated. Yeah, and nothing happened to you. 160 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 2: Very sadly, there was one little girl who was trampled, 161 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 2: still holding onto her ice cream cone. Leveg died, like 162 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 2: you said, but it was an instant thing. I think 163 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 2: fifty people died instantly, and eighty three spectators ended up 164 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 2: dying and close to two hundred ended up injured, like 165 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 2: including Leveg. Eighty four people killed at this race. 166 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. So there was a really controversial decision that was 167 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: made by the race director, and that was to allow 168 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: twenty four hours of Lamon's to continue. This happened at 169 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: like hour two and a half. 170 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 2: It sounds crazy, yeah. 171 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: And you're like, what a disgusting psychopath. But history has 172 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: actually vindicated the race director, I don't know his name, 173 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 1: but that he made the right move because the ha 174 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: had He said, you know, the race needs to end 175 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: right now. All those spectators who needed aid in whose 176 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: lives would have probably ended had they not received aid 177 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: pretty quickly. The emergency crews trying to reach them would 178 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: have been swamped by all those spectators leaving all at 179 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: the same time. So it seems quite heartless, but it 180 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: actually was the right move to make. 181 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder if that was the reason, though, do 182 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 2: we know that or if it's just like in retrospect 183 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 2: it worked out better. 184 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: I don't know. I want to just believe in humanity. 185 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,199 Speaker 1: So I'm going to say that that guy had that 186 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: level of foresight. 187 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 2: I hope. So. Regardless, Mike Hawthorne, the guy who caused 188 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 2: the crash, won the race. And no matter how history 189 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 2: looks at that decision, like him popping the champagne at 190 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 2: the end, when twenty one hours earlier, eighty people or 191 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 2: eighty four people had died, it's a tough bill to swallow, 192 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 2: you know. 193 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, not just died, died because of him, and he's 194 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: like just celebrating like it's the end of whatever race, 195 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: any other race, you know. Yeah, he never claimed responsibility 196 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: for it. He would he would never take accountability. In 197 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: two years after that, he died in a car wreck 198 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,719 Speaker 1: when he was racing a friend and when he overtook 199 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 1: the friend that was when he spun out and died. 200 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 1: He was also driving a Jaguar, so his death was 201 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: quite ironic. I say, hats off to the Mercedes team 202 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: because even though the race continued, they withdrew and they 203 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: waited until the emergency crews had done their thing and 204 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: cleared out, and they packed up, and they withdrew from 205 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 1: the race at one am, and they stopped racing all 206 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: the way until the nineteen eighties because of that incident. 207 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it really shook up the industry. Obviously 208 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 2: in the sport. There were official inquiries. Obviously everyone was absolved. 209 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 2: No one had to take the fall or anything like that. 210 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 2: They said, you know, we didn't have the right safety measures, 211 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 2: we didn't have the right layout. I didn't see if 212 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 2: there was any kind of like financial compensation to victims 213 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 2: or anything like that. 214 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: I didn't either. 215 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 2: It may have been at a time where that kind 216 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 2: of thing just didn't routinely happen like. 217 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: It would today. 218 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,719 Speaker 2: But there was obviously a huge public outcry, and that 219 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 2: track obviously went under all kinds of changes, including, you know, 220 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: more safety for the spectators, more barriers put in place, 221 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 2: and then a much safer pit situation, Like they fully 222 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 2: moved the pit road and made it much safer to 223 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 2: get into. 224 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, they moved it like a quarter mile back from 225 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: the track rather than right up on the track, which 226 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 1: I can't believe they ever did that in the first place, 227 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: you know, even in retrospect. Well, way to go, Chuck. 228 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: This is a car one and we don't normally do 229 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: car stuff, so great, congrats, thanks right back at you. 230 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: Well and then short stuff is that. 231 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 2: Stuff you should know is a production of iHeartRadio. For 232 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 2: more podcasts my heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 233 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 2: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.