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Speaker 1: Welcome NFL Dailey, where we cannot believe the season is

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Speaker 1: over one week from right now, I'm Greg Rosenthal in

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Speaker 1: my garage talking to my friend Jordan rod Riegue of

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Speaker 1: the Athletic and setting up what is gonna be an

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Speaker 1: awesome week. We are not heading down to New Orleans,

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Speaker 1: Jordan until Tuesday, so we'll have some fun today. We

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Speaker 1: got some news, we got some all pros to talk about,

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Speaker 1: and we'll have fun tonight as well.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we're not heading down to New Orleans yet, because

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Speaker 2: we have a very good cause to champion. Tonight, you

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Speaker 2: me a couple of big time guests on the live

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Speaker 2: taping of the Menachimes, and to be clear, other people

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Speaker 2: are the big time guests. It's you me and then

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Speaker 2: the big time guests on the MENA Times show featuring

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Speaker 2: Lenny at the Belasco, which I still cannot freaking believe

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Speaker 2: that we are getting to be on that stage, and

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Speaker 2: Kobe Turner is going to take the stage at the

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Speaker 2: Belasco all for wildfire relief efforts. Of the funds raised

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Speaker 2: tonight this is it will be Monday Night in Los

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Speaker 2: Angeles will go to fire relief efforts and Omaha Productions

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Speaker 2: is matching all of it too, which is really rock star.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's also a Kobe Turner jersey which which the

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Speaker 1: NFL has chipped in, which is a game warn jersey

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Speaker 1: from the playoff appear. And so yeah, if you're hearing

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Speaker 1: this on Monday, it is not too late to head

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Speaker 1: downtown little foggy here in Los Angeles on Monday, stay warm,

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Speaker 1: come with us, have fun. It'll be outstanding, And this

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Speaker 1: show's gonna be fun too. We're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: all the coordinator hires, but we're gonna do it quickly, Jordan,

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Speaker 1: because the two of us like to honk. So I'm

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Speaker 1: putting a clock on that, and then we're gonna go

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Speaker 1: back and we're gonna make our all pro teams because

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Speaker 1: I want a document at the beginning of the year

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Speaker 1: we set up our ideal roster, and I want a

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Speaker 1: document that that shows us who the best players of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five are. Why are you laughing?

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Speaker 2: It was like such a stressful show in the best way,

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Speaker 2: because we were like, this is the platonically ideal roster. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: then like each of us like forgot a player or

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Speaker 2: then like counted wrong, and then we did great. We

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Speaker 2: defined everything's good. That document exists in the ether.

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Speaker 1: Now, yes, no, I have it. I have it. This

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Speaker 1: will be a little more straight in arrow. Our All

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Speaker 1: Pro Team, the official NFL Daily All Pro Team, and

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Speaker 1: our award winners NFL Honors is coming up Thursday night,

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Speaker 1: so we talk about it all season long. I did

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Speaker 1: want to close that circle too and give you our

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Speaker 1: award winners, and we're gonna have to come to an agreement,

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Speaker 1: which I really like. But we have to start the

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Speaker 1: show talking about Miles Garrett. Monday morning, Miles Garrett sees

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Speaker 1: Luka Doncic traded to the Lakers. The next day it's

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Speaker 1: Darren Fox is going with Wemby and san Antonio, and

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, man, this NBA trade deadline is going to

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Speaker 1: dominate the whole lead up to the Super Bowl, and

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Speaker 1: Miles Garrett, He's got our back. He releases a statement

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Speaker 1: through Ian Rappaport that's at least where I saw it

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Speaker 1: first on Monday morning that he wants to be traded

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Speaker 1: from the Cleveland Browns, saying that his goal in his

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Speaker 1: career was not to go from Cleveland to Canton. It

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Speaker 1: is to win championships along the way, and he wants

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Speaker 1: to do that somewhere other than the Browns. A lot

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Speaker 1: of directions we can go here, Jordan, but do you

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Speaker 1: think it's realistic that it actually happens for some context

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Speaker 1: the Browns GM. Andrew Barry said just last week maybe

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Speaker 1: he says this was coming, that we do not plan

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Speaker 1: to trade Miles Garrett, we do not want to trade

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Speaker 1: up in his future. Miles Garrett apparently does not want

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to peel back the curtain a little bit too,

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Speaker 2: something like this does come up to a general manager

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Speaker 2: when local reporters, people on the beat, the beat reporters

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Speaker 2: at the Senior Bowl. And this is where this conversation

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Speaker 1: Well, wow, I wouldn't know that that they even gave

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was Zach, my colleague at the Athletic

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Speaker 2: Miles Garrett and his camp clearly have had this planned

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Speaker 2: And that's where I think you have to be really

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Speaker 2: If it's a real legitimate thing, then this could get

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Speaker 1: Well, him releasing the statement that clearly I think puts

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Speaker 1: it past that point where it's messy. He's putting it

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Speaker 1: of year big trades could potentially happen, is really leading

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Speaker 1: Stafford Cousins, And so Garrett's that level of player and

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Speaker 1: I think it could be very difficult for the Browns

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Speaker 1: If they traded him, they would actually take a cap

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Speaker 1: trade him away. And yeah, you're taking that short term

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Speaker 1: So their solution might be to just offer Miles Garrett

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Speaker 1: He's been there seven years. It's not like they haven't

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Speaker 1: But he is about to turn thirty next year, and

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Speaker 1: his value is so high right now that what could

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Speaker 1: Are you gonna be good in the in the meant him?

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Speaker 1: Probably not? So if you're getting possibly two first for

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Speaker 1: you like to see him possibly go? Or do you

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Speaker 2: Uh? Well, I wanted to get further back in your

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Speaker 2: it to me it is organizational malpractice the way that

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Speaker 2: they've had this guy on their roster and have not

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Speaker 2: maximized the roster and in fact done quite the opposite.

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Speaker 2: This one move of going out and acquiring Deshaun Watson

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Speaker 2: to just be a bad football player. And that's not

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Speaker 2: even touching the entire rest of the mess surrounding Deshaun Watson,

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Speaker 2: but just to be a bad football player and to

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Speaker 2: to be the franchise face and instead the only conversation

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Speaker 2: around your team as a brand is this mess that

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Speaker 2: they've made. So I think this is multi layer. If

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Speaker 2: cornerstone and the face of this organization and instead everything

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Speaker 2: else around this team has only been a plummeting your

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Speaker 2: And he said that as plainly as he possibly could

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Speaker 2: in his statement. And I don't see any aspect of

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Speaker 2: a whatever it takes trade, Like if he's available, if

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Speaker 2: they're actually answering your phone call, because they've been adamant

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Speaker 2: that they won't. If they're actually answering your phone call,

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Speaker 2: you do whatever you can. You shake out every mattress,

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Speaker 2: you shake out, You shake out every mattress you have,

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Speaker 2: it's a Buffalo bills question. Honestly, I think that, you

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Speaker 2: know what, I'm not going to rule out. I think

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Speaker 2: it could be a Kansas City chiefs question. I know,

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Speaker 2: I know it's a but, but it's true.

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Speaker 1: It is without a ton of cap room. The bills

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Speaker 1: actually are thirteen million dollars over the cap as we

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Speaker 1: speak now. There of course, like every teams around that,

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Speaker 1: you can always vond Miller. They're going to restructure Josh Allen.

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Speaker 1: There's other people that they can cut, but there are

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Speaker 1: Bills for sure.

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Speaker 2: like take like seven years to build up this roster.

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Speaker 1: They have seventy eight million dollars in cap space, they

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Speaker 2: They've made that clear. Obviously, that will only up the

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Speaker 1: So let's start with the Raiders. Start the clock. Chip

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Speaker 2: I love it. I think that's gonna be fun. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: I just like the look of that.

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Speaker 1: And he's an offensive coordinator instead of him as a

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Speaker 2: takes what it looks like to be a really, really

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Speaker 2: good offensive coordinator. And I like Scott Turner. I think

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Speaker 2: everywhere Scott Turner has been, where he hasn't been scapegoaded,

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Speaker 2: he's been a really solid mind and a really solid

435
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Speaker 2: presence to have in the room. I've known Scott Turner

436
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Speaker 2: for a long time, and I just think he's a

437
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Speaker 2: good fit over there. I think it's good vibes over there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Really interesting that Dan Campbell didn't choose to go

439
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Speaker 1: with him and Engstron, and I think that was the

440
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Speaker 1: expectation locally, and he did promote from within it on defense,

441
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Speaker 1: but on offense they went with John Morton. They also

442
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Speaker 1: hired David Shaw, the former Stanford coach, which is interesting.

443
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Speaker 1: But Engstron is the eighth Lions assistant coach to leave.

444
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Speaker 1: One of them was asked not to come back, So

445
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Speaker 1: that's really seven that were hired by other places. That's

446
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Speaker 1: a lot. That's a lot to deal with, and Dan

447
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Speaker 1: Campbell will really be tested. And I do think when

448
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Speaker 1: you think about what works in a Lion's type of offense,

449
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Speaker 1: or even Scott Turner, I mean, Aaron Rodgers is just

450
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Speaker 1: the just for the football is probably better than they

451
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Speaker 1: can do else why elsewhere, Like just in terms of

452
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Speaker 1: who can play football the best for them in twenty

453
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Speaker 1: twenty five, he's probably better now. The contract and the

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Speaker 1: person make it less palatable to bring him back. But

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Speaker 1: I think this move like I could see him in

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Speaker 1: that offense. Let's go to the Cowboys. They hired Clayton

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Speaker 1: Adams we had mentioned this was a possibility. He's he

458
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Speaker 1: was the offensive line coach for the Cardinals, known for

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Speaker 1: his running game chops shoddy kind of putting together a

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Speaker 1: fun little staff there in Dallas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I liked the Cowboys right now in terms of

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Speaker 2: what they look like on paper. With that coaching staff,

463
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Speaker 2: this tells me that they want to run the ball,

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Speaker 2: and they want to do it in a variety of ways. Now,

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Speaker 2: the Cowboys have physically stated this in years past, and

466
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Speaker 2: then the moves they've made have been really questionable and

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Speaker 2: told us no, they actually don't want to run the

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Speaker 2: ball and don't care having a fully developed and asserting

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Speaker 2: an attacking run game. But hiring Clayton Adams actually does

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Speaker 2: tell me, Okay, we noticed our We've recognized our flaws

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Speaker 2: in this phase a little bit. We're a little bit

472
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Speaker 2: light in the pants here, So now we need to

473
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Speaker 2: go and Drew petzing this thing up a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I think that this is a good hire. I'm excited

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Speaker 2: to see how it manifests on the field.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and hiring Brian Schottenheimer tells you that too, that

477
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Speaker 1: I'm sure he was stressing the run game. And you

478
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Speaker 1: can connect the dots with reports that come out. The

479
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Speaker 1: report was that Kellen Moore was looking at Clayton Adams.

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Speaker 1: They both have went to Boise State for what it's

481
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Speaker 1: worth as his offensive coordinator, and then like an hour later,

482
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Speaker 1: it's like, oh, the Cowboys probably raised their offer to

483
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Speaker 1: Clayton Adams and closed the deal. The Bucks are hiring

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Speaker 1: Josh Grizzard, a man who I wasn't familiar with, but

485
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Speaker 1: was with Mike McDaniel in Miami and then was with

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Speaker 1: the Bucks on their staff last year and was their

487
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Speaker 1: third down play caller. And you know who led the

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Speaker 1: NFL and third down efficiency last year. Now I'm just kidding, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean yeah, but they got it done without Chris Cowin,

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Speaker 1: so I like that. They they interviewed a lot of

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Speaker 1: interesting names, I thought, but then they hired the guy

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Speaker 1: from within. So some continuity there for Baker.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly what I wrote in my note system continuity.

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Speaker 2: They're going to have to take this into a two

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Speaker 2: point zero version of what they were in last year

496
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Speaker 2: because everything they did was on tape. So this is

497
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Speaker 2: going to be interesting. I am excited because of his

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Speaker 2: experience with Mike McDaniel. I am interested to see how

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Speaker 2: forty nine ers up. This kind of goes now that

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Speaker 2: Liam Cohen, who had some of the RAMS influences, is

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Speaker 2: out of the building.

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Speaker 1: That's a great point. And I like Craig Baker finally

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Speaker 1: having a little continuity here. The players all seemed like

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Speaker 1: they were fans of grizz who's a young guy kind

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Speaker 1: of looks like a McDaniel type.

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Speaker 2: Did you hear that at the Senior Bowl or not?

507
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Speaker 2: At the Pro Bowl? Baker told reporters that, and I

508
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Speaker 2: think he was joking, but it's Baker sees a lot

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Speaker 2: of dip on his chip that he left Liam Cohen

510
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Speaker 2: on Red when he was telling him about potentially taking

511
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Speaker 2: this job. Spicy Baker is the best Baker.

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Speaker 1: There's been some reporting the Saints have told other coaching

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Speaker 1: candidates in the in their coaching search, which would probably

514
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Speaker 1: be Anthony Weaver, that they are trying to move forward

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Speaker 1: essentially with Kellen Moore. They're going to wait to talk

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Speaker 1: to him to after the Super Bowl. That The interesting

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Speaker 1: thing here is our friends at the Saints Block Party

518
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Speaker 1: podcast set on their show that Kellen Moore told the

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Speaker 1: Saints he only wants the job if they don't keep

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Speaker 1: Derek Carr. They've nailed their sources and their stories over

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Speaker 1: the year. Is that is spicy. I love that.

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Speaker 2: They're plugged in. I listened to your show from the

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Speaker 2: Senior Bowl where they were patched in from the Senior

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Speaker 2: Bowl this morning. Actually, I thought they did a great job,

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Speaker 2: and I learned I don't watch a single prospect other

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Speaker 2: than with a bullet chips on a Saturday if I'm

527
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Speaker 2: ever at home instead of traveling through the college football season.

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Speaker 2: So I felt like they got me ready to hit

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Speaker 2: draft season and running some good intel there. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: they've they've been on it, like they had the Ben

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Speaker 2: Johnson reporting that nobody else had.

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Speaker 1: They clearly I don't know who inside the building who No,

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Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. They got they got someone. But that's

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Speaker 1: really interesting because then Derek Carr will become available. He's

535
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Speaker 1: not going to be the guy that you want as

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Speaker 1: your quarterback, but he probably will be starting other Oh,

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Speaker 1: we got the clock on. We have less than a minute.

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Speaker 1: Last one. Jaguars hire Anthony Campanilea. Do you have any

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Speaker 1: thoughts on him? The Packers linebackers coach. Kind of an

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Speaker 1: up and coming guy.

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Speaker 2: He was on hard knocks at some point too, wasn't

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Speaker 2: he if I'm maybe I'm mistaking now you're right for people.

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Speaker 2: But okay. So one thing about the Jags that is

544
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Speaker 2: maybe a little bit more interesting than this is that

545
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Speaker 2: they're going to start honing in on their general manager

546
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Speaker 2: candidates this week. So expect to see a few names

547
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Speaker 2: start getting floated around UH as that part of the

548
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Speaker 2: football building gets built out, It's going to be interesting.

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Speaker 2: Everybody will report to Shad Khan according to what's coming

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Speaker 2: out of that building right now.

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Speaker 1: He had a fiery speech in the Dolphins hard Knocks.

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Speaker 1: Good call. People love him. We did it in under

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Speaker 1: a minute. I'm a little worried they're under.

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Speaker 2: Of course it was you, Greg.

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Speaker 1: Of course that was so close. I don't care. It's

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Speaker 1: our show, Jordan. I can say what I want. It

557
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Speaker 1: is a first time head coach with a first time

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, very very young, and he's gonna have.

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Speaker 2: A first time oh see, and he might have a

560
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Speaker 2: first time GM.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that that happened in Seattle last year, and

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Speaker 1: I think there were maybe some regrets in terms of

563
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Speaker 1: the coaching staff. That happened in Tennessee did not go

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Speaker 1: well for them in Tennessee last year.

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Speaker 2: A part of this is Liam Cohen has been trying

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Speaker 2: to bring in people that he knows, but the Bucks

567
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Speaker 2: keep blocking him. And I think they're fair to be

568
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Speaker 2: doing yet right now, they're trying to keep their own

569
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Speaker 2: continuity in place over there. They've got to think about themselves.

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Speaker 2: And you know, and and Liam, I think you know,

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Speaker 2: because he's jumped around so much over the last several years,

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Speaker 2: it is difficult to assess, okay, way over, what direction

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Speaker 2: are what direction are well you started it? What direction

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Speaker 2: are we going? And then how can we actually form

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Speaker 2: an identity? But then the who of it is the

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Speaker 2: big question as well, because there's just a lot of

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Speaker 2: dispersal around the league of people that he's worked with before.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's going to be challenging. One other news item

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Speaker 1: wanted to mention before we go to break. I had

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Speaker 1: mentioned the accusations against Justin Tucker on our last show,

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Speaker 1: and I did just want to update that three additional

582
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Speaker 1: massage therapists are accusing Ravens kicker Justin Tucker of sexually

583
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Speaker 1: inappropriate behavior. Again, great reporting by the Baltimore Banner in

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Speaker 1: terms of just the first hand accounts and having everything

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Speaker 1: really buttoned up, and I would recommend everyone just read that.

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Speaker 1: Just from my vantage point. What's striking is how the

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Speaker 1: new accusations are so consistent in the stories are all

588
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Speaker 1: very similar, and with one of the recent accusations, there's

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Speaker 1: some documentation of the therapist no longer wanting to work

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Speaker 1: with Justin Tucker because of his behavior. So we will

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Speaker 1: have to wait and see how the Ravens and or

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Speaker 1: the league respond on that. Let's take a quick break.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna come back and we are gonna do our

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Speaker 1: All Pro teams. It's never too late. We're taking the

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Speaker 1: playoffs into account. We're gonna do some awards right after

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Speaker 1: this back on NFL Daily. I'm really excited about this.

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to get into the off season before

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Speaker 1: doing our official NFL Daily All Pro Team. We decide

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Speaker 1: on our perfect roster before the season, Jordan, that was

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Speaker 1: fifty three men. This is more select and what this

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Speaker 1: is gonna be is our all Pro team, and there's

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Speaker 1: a difference between ours and the one that's already out there.

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Speaker 1: We're allowing playoff performances to impact our voting. If we want,

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Speaker 1: it could be a tie breaker, it could be something

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Speaker 1: that takes someone off the table or puts them over

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Speaker 1: the top. We're going to do first and second teams.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have a document and I plan to do

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Speaker 1: NFL Daily for the next twenty four years. I would

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Speaker 1: say so every year we will have this, and my

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Speaker 1: goal is for this to be on the Pro Football

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Speaker 1: Reference page. They'll actually list the NFL Daily All Pros

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Speaker 1: as a special honor first and second team. Let's start

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Speaker 1: with quarterback. And yes, we're going to do the awards.

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Speaker 1: NFL Honors is Thursday night in New Orleans. We're going

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Speaker 1: to do the awards at the end of the show

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Speaker 1: as well. We'll pick We'll pick our guys to me,

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Speaker 1: you tell me if you disagree. I think it was

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Speaker 1: pretty obvious that the two quarterbacks are still Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: in Lamar Jackson. I don't. I don't think there's much

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Speaker 1: case for anyone else to be in there. It's just

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Speaker 1: deciding the order. What is your order, or do you

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Speaker 1: disagree and have a different quarterback in there.

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Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson is first to me, and so he would

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Speaker 2: be my first team selection. I wanted to at least

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Speaker 2: open the table because I have both of these names down.

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Speaker 2: Wanted to at least open a brief discussion. Should we

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Speaker 2: at least talk about Joe Burrow for second team? Yes,

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Speaker 2: because I think this could have This could really go

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Speaker 2: in so many ways. But it's really hard to argue

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Speaker 2: with Joe Burrow's production this season, and really, he would

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Speaker 2: have been all the way down the line in this

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Speaker 2: MVP conversation had he a better team like these other

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Speaker 2: two quarterbacks had, and he would have been all the

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Speaker 2: way down the line in this discussion as well as

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Speaker 2: a three headed MVP conversation for quarterbacks, had he even

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Speaker 2: had they made the playoffs, which we are considering. And

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Speaker 2: so because we're considering the playoffs, I'm not I have

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Speaker 2: Lamar first in Josh second. But I wanted to at

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00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: least talk about Joe Burrow and give him his flowers

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Speaker 2: here because if he would have, if they would have

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Speaker 2: at least snuck into the playoffs, this makes this conversation

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Speaker 2: way more interesting, and I think reintroduces a third person

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Speaker 2: into it.

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Speaker 1: That's fair. I should have mentioned that to me, he's

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Speaker 1: a really strong third. Yeah, to me, he is third,

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Speaker 1: And it's not because of the playoffs. That's part of it.

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Speaker 1: That's more the MVP for me, like he is a

648
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: lot lower. Not a lot lower, I should say, but

649
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: he is lower. Let's say in some of the advanced

650
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: metrics like QBR, it's one two three, these three guys

651
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,239
Speaker 1: and Broke the other two are basically tied, and it's

652
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: because of all the sacks he took. And I actually

653
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: think that is a playing style thing. So I actually

654
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: think between the rushing value, which Alan and Lamar have

655
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: so much rushing value it's just outrageous, and the sack

656
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: avoidance that especially Allen has, but that even Lamar has

657
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: compared to Joe Burrow, I actually think that, and how

658
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: they played in late and close situations, the other two

659
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: get a little bit of an edge. That he's still

660
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: third to me just regular season, but it's really close.

661
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: He could have maybe won the MVP last year. I

662
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: actually think he would have. He would have been my pick.

663
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: I think for MVP A year ago he was out

664
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: obviously better to me than Lamar, Jackson or brock Perty

665
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 1: or whoever you would have voted for a year ago Burrow.

666
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: But this year, that's how it goes. I guess we'll

667
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: go Lamar then first team. I wrote Allen down first team,

668
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: but I kind of wrote it as like I'm just

669
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: gonna give this one a Jordan, because I have other

670
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: ones I feel strongly about, and it's just a coin.

671
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. I never made up my

672
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: mind between Gibe.

673
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: You're Kitty vote. Yeah, I did. I've made it. I

674
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 2: had my I have my mind made up. And it's

675
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 2: not taking anything away from anyone. It's just that that's

676
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 2: how I see the body of work that they put

677
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 2: together this year, and both are great. And I did

678
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: think it was important to bring up Burrow though, because

679
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 2: I just think we are seeing especially with these three.

680
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 2: And then I put Patrick Mahomes and then you obviously

681
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 2: also and this before people freak out, listen to the

682
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: second part of my sense, and I think you have

683
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 2: to put Matthew Stafford in this conversation too, of quarterbacks

684
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 2: who do the most at the line of skirmage, and

685
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 2: Lamar is incredible at this and it's really cool watching

686
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 2: every year more and more and more and more is

687
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 2: a signed to him that he handles at the line,

688
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 2: and Josh Allen has done more and more and more

689
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: as time has passed. Joe Burrows has entered the league

690
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 2: doing this, but has done more as time has passed.

691
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford's been doing this for ten years. Patrick Mahomes

692
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 2: is elite at it, and I just think that when

693
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 2: you talk about quarterbacks who are like orchestrating their entire

694
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 2: system at elite levels, these are the quarterbacks that you

695
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 2: could say that about. Now, the quarterbacks I'd want to

696
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 2: build a franchise around are Lamar, Pat Mahomes, Josh Allen,

697
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow, and Jaden Daniels. So I wanted to just

698
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 2: throw those guys some flowers.

699
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an interesting category of like who does the most,

700
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: and I would say it'd be Mahomes and Burrow, but

701
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: Alan is getting there, which is crazy.

702
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 2: And I don't think he gets talked about enough for.

703
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: How much Lamar and Lamar. Absolutely, it's been increasing incrementally,

704
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: especially with Todd Monkin. All Right, we'll go, We're gonna

705
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: go Lamar Jack one, Josh Allen two. And the playoffs

706
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: of it all was an interesting thought experiment here because

707
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: while Josh Allen and his team beat the Ravens and

708
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: Lamar had an up and down game, the playoffs didn't

709
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: make any difference for me trying to separate those two

710
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: because actually, I think Josh Allen had maybe his worst

711
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: two game stretch of the season in the playoffs, his

712
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: last two games, and it wasn't bad, but it was

713
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: just kind of not quite integral in the in the

714
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 1: Ravens win, and not great in the AFC Championship, worse

715
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: than I thought when I went back to rewatch that.

716
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: So they didn't really separate themselves. If anything, I think

717
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: Lamar's average game was probably a little better in the playoffs,

718
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: but not a big deal. Let's go Let's go on.

719
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: We can't spend all day running back. It's only two

720
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: running backs here, Okay? Who are your first and second team?

721
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 2: First team Saquon second team Derrick Henry, honorable mention Josh Jacobs. Okay,

722
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 2: but first team Saquon Barkley definitively not a doubt in

723
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 2: my mind, and second team is Derrick Henry for me?

724
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: Okay, I agree. I checked out the actual voting with

725
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: this too. Gibbs was the only other player that got

726
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: a couple votes, and it.

727
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 2: Was barely I'm only got some votes.

728
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: It was almost literally every single person voted Saquon one,

729
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: Henry two. It wasn't even like Henry got a couple

730
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: first No, it's like I think it was forty eight

731
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 1: people voted Henry two and two people voted Gibbs too,

732
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 1: and other than that, everyone agreed, and I agree too.

733
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: In another year, Gibbs or Bijon I think could have

734
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: been first team or second team. This just was a

735
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: crazy year for running backs, and Jacobs would have gotten

736
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: some votes as well, including yours.

737
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: Do you know what I was talking to t Sean.

738
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 2: We mentioned earlier my colleague at the Athletic he covers

739
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: the readers, and we were laughing because the Raiders couldn't

740
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,439
Speaker 2: even win the My former running back goes somewhere else

741
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 2: and has an amazing season storyline this year, like two

742
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 2: other teams won and above them. So I'd like four Raiders,

743
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 2: like they can't even win that one, Like they can't

744
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 2: even win the storyline.

745
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: Although he looks much better in the Packers' uniform, I

746
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: gotta give it to him. Okay, wide receiver. It's funny

747
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 1: because only two running backs make it, and then six

748
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 1: receivers make it, which is interesting. That's how it's set

749
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: up in terms of the All Pro voting. UH three

750
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: on the first team, three on the second. We'll go

751
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: back and forth in terms of who goes first, So

752
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: I'll go first with receivers, and my first team was

753
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase Justin Jefferson. Those were easy too for me,

754
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 1: and I went aj Brown with with my third pick.

755
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: My second team is Pukinakua, Terry McLaurin, and aman Ra

756
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: st Brown. I can get into the honorable mentions, but

757
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,959
Speaker 1: those are my two teams. So that's good.

758
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 2: It's good, and I do want to extrapolate on this

759
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: a little bit more. Yes, it's I'm n raw. Saint

760
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 2: Brown had over a seventy percent success rate on targeted plays,

761
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 2: which is just the second best among any receiver this year,

762
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 2: and the first was Chris Godwin, who got an Honorable

763
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 2: Flowers nod from me because he would have been a

764
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 2: first team All Pro in my opinion, had he had

765
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 2: the entirety of the season. And then I wanted to

766
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 2: point to Pooka Akua and both of those guys, I'm

767
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 2: on Ron Pookinakua fit in this category to me of

768
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 2: if you have to have a play, that's who you

769
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 2: that's who makes the play, like they're just known, Like

770
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 2: if you have to have a play, they're gonna get

771
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 2: open or they're gonna make it insane catch or they're

772
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 2: gonna get the ball somehow, whether it's scheme, whether it

773
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 2: is the quarterback making a play to the receiver, whether

774
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: it's the receiver making a play. And those two guys,

775
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 2: in my opinion, are right there next to each other

776
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: in that regard of like this is your go to

777
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 2: if you have to have a play that's not your necessarily,

778
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 2: like you're Justin Jefferson a team without you know, a

779
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson or a true ex in that way.

780
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Pukut didn't. I was surprised. I hadn't checked

781
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: out all the voting, but Puka didn't come that close

782
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: to actually making the second team. So I'm a little surprised.

783
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 1: I give more weight to what did you do when

784
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: you were out there, and on a yards per target

785
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: run efficiency, it was one of the greatest wide receiver

786
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: seasons of all time. It was actually better than any

787
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: other receiver this year by a decent amount. And so

788
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: that's enough for me. With the miss time that he

789
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: gets on the second team, aman Ra's numbers were ultimately

790
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: better than AJ Brown, so were Terry mclaurin's. He got

791
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: thirteen touchdowns ag Brown had nine. I believe they both

792
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: didn't go over eleven hundred yards, which isn't crazy. And

793
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: I know he wasn't as good after the injury, but

794
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 1: when he was healthy and it was like the first

795
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: thirteen games of the season or whatever, so it was

796
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: most of the season. I think if you just watch

797
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: the tape.

798
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 2: And see what a.

799
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: AJ Brown's doing, I just think he's better than a

800
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: moan ra and Terry and so that was just what

801
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: I went with that. I think I just think he's

802
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: he was just a little bit better. I actually think

803
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: he there was a decent argument that he was the

804
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: best wide receiver in football. Now the production didn't get

805
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: there and he fell off, so no way at the end.

806
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: But that's how good he was. You know, Mike Evans

807
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: could have been mentioned here. He got a lot of votes.

808
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: Actually you got more than Puka. Brian Thomas wouldn't have

809
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: been that creas.

810
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 2: I had him as an honorable mention. I don't think

811
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 2: that's crazy at all, especially relative to his experience level.

812
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: Like you know, I don't think that's crazy at all.

813
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: If there was a third team, I probably would have

814
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: gone Brian Thomas, Mike Evan CDE lamb, let's go to

815
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: tight end, give me your two in order. Felt like

816
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 1: it was a three man raise for two spots. Tell

817
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: me if you.

818
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:51,439
Speaker 2: Disagree, Okay, but yes, but I wanted new blood in there.

819
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 2: So I put Brack Bauers and Trey McBride first team

820
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 2: and second team. And I did that because I know that, Listen,

821
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,959
Speaker 2: I know that purely. I'm a fantasy football perspective. People

822
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: will yell at me, and you might yell at me

823
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 2: about Trey McBride. I think he's one of the best

824
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 2: tight ends in football. And it is like, I don't

825
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: argue or look at it from that perspective because I

826
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,959
Speaker 2: actually don't play fantasy football and I haven't in many,

827
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 2: many years, And so I'm looking at it from what

828
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 2: these guys are doing right now in the league, from

829
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 2: a holistic standpoint, what they mean to their team, and

830
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 2: what their production and what they're like levels of excellence are,

831
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 2: especially as they are ascending in some of their peers,

832
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 2: in my opinion, are maybe on the back stretch of

833
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: their career. They're the number three and four in receptions

834
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 2: in the NFL this year of all targeted players, and

835
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 2: both of them eclipsed eleven hundred yards and ten yards

836
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 2: per catch, and we're really the workhorses for their offenses,

837
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 2: even when other players like Marvin Harrison Junior and the

838
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 2: Cardinals was available.

839
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: We've got our first disagreement because I'm going to I

840
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 1: will stand on the table and push back. I need

841
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: to get Kittle on the team. I agree with everything

842
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: you're saying, and it really is painful for me to

843
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: take any one of these three off I had McBride third,

844
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: but I'm willing to kick off Boers if i need to,

845
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: because I had kiddled first. Because everything you just said

846
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 1: about McBride is true about Kittle. They're probably the two best,

847
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: most complete tight ends. I mean, I this might have

848
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: been Kittle's best season eleven hundred yards, eight touchdowns, and

849
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: he's still I think he changes the math in a

850
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: way as a receiving threat and blocking threat that no

851
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: one else other than maybe now McBride can do. So

852
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 1: I actually think he It's hard for me to say

853
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 1: George Kittle in one of his peak seasons, like he's

854
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: a first ballot Hall of Famer to me, is in

855
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: one of the two guys Like ultimately, who would I've

856
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: rather had this season? On my team to help me win,

857
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: and the stats still back it up. And so I

858
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: think it's still Kittle over those two guys. So I'll

859
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: let you choose between the other two. And if I

860
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: have to be second, I don't know. I'll deal with

861
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: second team, but I I need Kittle on the team.

862
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, maybe we'll give it to the rookie next

863
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 2: year then, because yeah, that's the thing. That's what I

864
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 2: said too, is the three man race, like it was

865
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 2: so tight to me. But I mean, if you go

866
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: and watch some of the things that brock Bauer and

867
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 2: I know you have Greg, like some of the things

868
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: that is able to do as a rookie, I mean,

869
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 2: you know, okay, but ten years tenure and George Kittle

870
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 2: had an amazing season, you.

871
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: Cannot It's it's it's about the every down impact. It's

872
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: about the blocking basically, and what.

873
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 2: Well and I think and I think George Kittle would

874
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 2: be first in every down impact if we're really if

875
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 2: that is like specifically the category of it, I.

876
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: Think of getting there though they'd use him in a

877
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: lot of creative ways he does.

878
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 2: Would you let me agree with you for no God's sake,

879
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 2: Like just this is how I'll get you next time,

880
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 2: is like I'll just like agree with you and then

881
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 2: you'll be like oh no and freak out.

882
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: Then have to like, okay, so what are we doing here?

883
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: We're killing right of Brock Bowers.

884
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: We're going.

885
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 1: Will we go out? You want to bring McBride first,

886
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: I'll give you that.

887
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put Tray McBride first.

888
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna go McBride first. Love for McBride.

889
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: Apologies to Bowers, and man, he's not gonna get Offensive

890
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: Regular of the Year either. For me. That's tough. Sorry, sorry, Brock,

891
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: but you'll have future success. We got to speed this

892
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: up a little left tackle. I had worfs in my

893
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: lotta as my one two. Okay, shout out to Dion Dawkins.

894
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: Really nice kind of rebound season. Rashaun Slater is good

895
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 1: left guard. What do you have.

896
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 2: Joe Tooney and Quentin Nelson?

897
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, I had. I went landon Dickerson in Toney.

898
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: I guess I'm giving a little bump to the playoffs

899
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: of it all, although we got you know, he got

900
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: hurt in the Conference championship, but I don't know. I'm

901
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: not gonna fight you over Quentin Nelson.

902
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 2: He did I think, I mean, yeah, I think he

903
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 2: just I think he was excellent.

904
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: I did have first team for Dickerson, so.

905
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 2: Toony's my first team because he's also playing left tackle

906
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: at times. I mean, for.

907
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 1: God's sake, but is he? Is he playing it that well?

908
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: I think it was better in the ac G.

909
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 2: I don't care. He's moving positions like he's He's able

910
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 2: to do it on a championship team in the National

911
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 2: Football League. Okay, give him a bone here, Greg.

912
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 1: Can I can you give me Dickerson then? And now?

913
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: I owe you one?

914
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 2: Now one you do, and I'm saving it because I

915
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 2: know what you can.

916
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: Tony's won Dickerson two left guard center. We're not offensive

917
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: line experts. I went, I went create, Humphrey. I didn't

918
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: know who to pick us my second center. I went Linderbaum.

919
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: People love them some Zach Frazier, but those are my two.

920
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: What did you go, Frank? I know, but when I

921
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: watched them, I don't know. Man. People love him and

922
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 1: the on off splits are great, like the PFF numbers

923
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: are great, but like I actually thought they had some issues.

924
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: But I'll give you that. That's fine. Humphrey and frank

925
00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:59,439
Speaker 1: ragnow Franken Creed.

926
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 2: I did want to give a really positive shout out though,

927
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 2: and an honorable mention even though it's not a real thing.

928
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 2: But he took on an impossible job. That is Cam

929
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: Jurgen's you had to be the next guy, yes, after

930
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 2: the elite like all star face of the franchise guy,

931
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 2: and I think he handled it admirably.

932
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: All right, give me your right guard and your right tackle.

933
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: Let's let's go fast.

934
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 2: Okay, I've got Quinn Miners and Sam Cosmy, who I

935
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 2: really want to get on here is one of the

936
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: best right guards in the NFL this season. You have

937
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 2: it on yours too, Greg showing his notes. Greg Greg

938
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 2: is like has a printer in his house. I'm looking

939
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 2: digitally here.

940
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: Never I always dog might be one.

941
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 2: Of the last humans on earth that has a printer

942
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 2: in his house. So that's good. Though, someone has to

943
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 2: keep a record of this. Quinn Miners and Sam Cosy,

944
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 2: he had one sack all season per next Gen and

945
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 2: to be able to do that while also feeling and

946
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 2: learning and growing as a blocker for a quarterback who

947
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 2: can move and run and can can freestyle and create like,

948
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 2: that's such a hard thing to do, and I thought

949
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 2: he handled it brilliantly. Right tackle, I have Lane Johnson

950
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 2: and Pine Sewel.

951
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: I had him but reversed. Man, I think sewell just

952
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: we were talking about him as like offensive.

953
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah first, yeah, yeah, Oh. I didn't do it

954
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 2: in order.

955
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I first, Lane second, minors first caused me second

956
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: and with these offensive linement I did send some emails,

957
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: some texts around see what people thought, and uh, I

958
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: think we have good picks. All right, let's go to

959
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: the edge. We're going to defense. Edge was tough. Why

960
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: don't you go? I'll go first. I went in the

961
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: end my first team. There's two on the first team,

962
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: two on the second. I wrote down like seven names,

963
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: but my first team in the end, I went with

964
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: Myles Garrett and Trey Hendrickson. And my second team I

965
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: went with Micah Parsons. He's kind of like the Puka

966
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 1: in aj Brown argument for me that on a down

967
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: and down basis when you just watched him, I think

968
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 1: he was maybe the best player, like on defense in

969
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: the NFL this year, So I'm giving him a second team.

970
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: That's how I tend. I go with a higher peak

971
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 1: and miss some games. And I want to Daniel Hunter,

972
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: but as my second team. But I'm really open to

973
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 1: conversation here. What do you got?

974
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. I have Daniel Hunter, Jonathan Greenard, and

975
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,959
Speaker 2: Micah Parsons as honorable mentions. And I did not give

976
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 2: Micah Parsons a complete grade because you know, missing some

977
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 2: time this season. I have Miles Garrett and Nick Bonito

978
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 2: on my first team.

979
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: Wow.

980
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 2: However, I would agree with you on Miles Garrett and

981
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson on my first team and then Nick Bonito

982
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 2: and Kyle van Noy.

983
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: What on my side game too?

984
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 2: This is too much doing it for the old guys. No,

985
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 2: I'm in all seriousness. Nick Bonito and Daniel Hunter would

986
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 2: make a nice okay, a nice second team in my opin.

987
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: I want to be pushy on Parsons, man, he's so good.

988
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 2: I feel like you always want to be pushy, isn't

989
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 2: Is that.

990
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: Not the I didn't want to on the QB one

991
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I wrote down three other names. One

992
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: of them was Benito, so I'll live with that as

993
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: a second teamer. I don't love it. He was the

994
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: seventh name I wrote down, So I'm giving you that.

995
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: I wrote down Will Anderson as well. Yeah, and I

996
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: wrote down Van Ginkle. I you know, Van Ginkle to me,

997
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: is a better choice. If you're going with the Vans,

998
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: go van Ginkle, not van Noy. But so we have

999
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: Benito as our second team, we have Garrett and Trey

1000
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: as our first team. We still have one open spot

1001
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: that could be either Parsons, Hunter or one of the

1002
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: one of the Vans.

1003
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm putting Daniel Hunter there. If it's Miles,

1004
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 2: all right, Miles and Tray and then Nick and Daniel.

1005
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 2: But I want to I want to point out, like

1006
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 2: I said, I say Kyle van Noy because I want

1007
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 2: to shout out for the thirty three year olds recently

1008
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 2: turned thirty three. Cannot imagine how he is twelve and

1009
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 2: a half sacks, twelve tactics for the last two bad

1010
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 2: of passes, two forced fumbles, like making a difference in

1011
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 2: the postseason with a detached like retina slash, broken eye socket,

1012
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 2: Like that's pretty crazy to me. And so like I'm

1013
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 2: just wanted to shout him out. Yeah, put him in

1014
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 2: my honorable mentions.

1015
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: Greg as wells I hate not having Michaeh. Parsons on

1016
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: this team instead of Benito? Man, Like, where was Nick

1017
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: Benino in that playoff? I don't know.

1018
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 2: Incredible season? Now you incredible season?

1019
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 1: Now you owe me one?

1020
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 2: Are we not even?

1021
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: I don't know who's keeping track? All right, we're even?

1022
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 2: Well you help on this one because this is where

1023
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 2: Securier was tough.

1024
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: Actually, I was pretty clear with my top four. I

1025
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: just didn't know what order to put him in. My

1026
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: top four were Zach Allen, Jalen Carter, Cam Hayward, and

1027
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: Chris Jones.

1028
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 2: Yep, those are too, okay.

1029
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 1: I had two honorable mentions Dexter Lawrence for half a season.

1030
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have put him on a team, but he

1031
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 1: probably would have been first team for his half season.

1032
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: And then Leo Williams was pretty sweet for for most

1033
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: of the year. That was the order I wrote them

1034
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: down in Alan, Carter, Hayward, Jones. I don't I don't

1035
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: know if you have a first team like hope. I

1036
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: really think Zach Allen had kind of a first team

1037
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: All Pro type of year. I really do.

1038
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I put Hayward, Alan Jones, Carter.

1039
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: Okay, let's just do that order. Yeah, because I think

1040
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: Chris Jones. If we're counting the playoffs, you know, he

1041
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: gets a bump for sure. Hayward kind of disappeared a

1042
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: little bit at the end of the year. I don't know,

1043
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: he was maybe fighting suit through something and Carter went crazy.

1044
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: I tell you what, now that we're talking playoffs, actually

1045
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: I don't want to have Hayward as my first team.

1046
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: I want to give some playoffs if we're Carter or

1047
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: Chris Jones.

1048
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 2: If we're talking playoffs, then I think you have to

1049
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,439
Speaker 2: give it to Chris Jones. Jalen. Carter then also also

1050
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 2: did basically win that game for the Eagles after the Rams,

1051
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 2: we're trying to make a comeback, so I want to

1052
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 2: give him a nod there. But I think going that

1053
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 2: you're not going to get a lot of argument for

1054
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 2: me on going Zach Allen Chris Jones is.

1055
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: Your okay, let's do that. Let's do that. No, we agreed.

1056
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: This is what this is what it is.

1057
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 2: This is this next one about insidelnebackers where I need

1058
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 2: help because you already know my first two, but I

1059
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 2: need you. I'm gonna need your help on it. So

1060
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 2: I'll just give you my first My first team is

1061
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 2: Zach Bond and Frankie Luvu, but I need your help

1062
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 2: on the second team because this is one of the

1063
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:16,760
Speaker 2: positions where like so much, so much is just unknown,

1064
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 2: like some of the calls, some of the ways that

1065
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 2: they're aligning their defenses, like all of these things, whether

1066
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 2: or not their D line is setting them up, and

1067
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 2: then they have to make up for the D line,

1068
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 2: and so, you know, there was a couple of guys

1069
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 2: that really stood out to me. I liked I liked

1070
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 2: Diane Henley's season for the Chargers. I liked Rocwon Smith's season.

1071
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 2: I have, of course Fred Warner on here. I have

1072
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 2: actually as an honorable mention, Ernest Jones quietly had like

1073
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 2: a really really really good year in Seattle. But I'm

1074
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 2: gonna need Patrick Queen. You always talk about Patrick Queen,

1075
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 2: but I you know, I want to.

1076
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: Know Patrick, not not this year. I don't have him.

1077
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 2: I have him been an honorable mention as a shout out,

1078
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 2: but I had Zach Bond and Frankie Louva was my

1079
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 2: first team, and then I'm open for whatever conversation. For

1080
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 2: second team.

1081
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 1: This is a position where it was harder to find

1082
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 1: obvious options. I actually didn't think it was that hard

1083
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,720
Speaker 1: to go Bond and Luvu like you, and then Warner

1084
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: to me is second team because of the same reason

1085
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: that I just said about Pooka and aj Brown. For

1086
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 1: the first granted it was only like six seven games

1087
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: of the season, he was probably the defensive player of

1088
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: the year. So even though he played through an injury

1089
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: and wasn't the same in the second half of the year,

1090
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 1: that brilliance was so brilliant. He's an easy second teamer

1091
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: that leaves one spot. And I actually settled pretty strongly

1092
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: on one guy, and it's Blake Cashman.

1093
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 2: Oh, I like that one. You know what I missed.

1094
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 2: I missed it he because he missed part of the year.

1095
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 2: But he was absolutely excellent for them when he was

1096
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,399
Speaker 2: in the first part and then in the back part.

1097
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 2: I totally forgot about him. I knew I was gonna

1098
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 2: forget someone, but I thought he was excellent this year.

1099
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 1: To me, it was him or Rocon. Rocan so excellent.

1100
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: But until they kind of changed the responsibilities with that

1101
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: Ravens season, like it seemed like Rocon was hurt for

1102
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: a bit, like he was not playing well for a

1103
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,760
Speaker 1: minute and played Cashman missed the perfect amount of games,

1104
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 1: which was three in the on off splits were crazy,

1105
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: like their defense kind of fell apart without playing Cashman. Yeah,

1106
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: and he made He just felt like a really important

1107
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: blue guy on one of the defining defenses. So I

1108
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: like him as a second teamer. Glad we agreed there

1109
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: all right, cornerback, I am curious where you went. This

1110
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 1: was one of the toughest ones. Now all Pro separates

1111
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: slot cornerback and outside corner. So outside corner has two

1112
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: spots first team, two spots second team, and then slot

1113
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 1: is is separate. So let's start with outside corner.

1114
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:33,439
Speaker 2: Yes, so outside corner, I have Pat certain first team,

1115
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 2: I have Stang first team, Second team. I have Sting's

1116
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 2: teammate Kamari Lassiter.

1117
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: Wow.

1118
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 2: And I also have Christian Gonzalez, Kamari Lasser and Derek

1119
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 2: Stingley Junior allowed the lowest and second lowest completion percentages

1120
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 2: among defenders with at least fifty targets face this season,

1121
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 2: including the playoffs, totally made the absolute difference in at

1122
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 2: least their miniature playoff run in that first game, and

1123
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 2: I just think, like, where the hell are you gonna throw?

1124
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about it from this perspective, I wanted to

1125
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 2: get the teammates on there, because where in the hell

1126
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 2: are you going to throw the football? Obviously, the Chiefs

1127
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 2: picked them apart right up the seams where they were

1128
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 2: lacking players, right, And so this is to me, I

1129
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 2: like having them that these teammates that really anchored this

1130
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,919
Speaker 2: really this defense that could show it was truly outstanding

1131
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:27,359
Speaker 2: in flashes this year, especially in that playoff game.

1132
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: I like the thought, but I'm going to push back

1133
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: on lass. I don't think. I don't think. Although the

1134
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 1: fourth spot is wide open. So the toughest decision I

1135
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: had this whole time was Stingley or Gonzales on my

1136
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: first team. I ended up going with Stingley because of

1137
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: that playoff game. I think Gonzales probably is a better

1138
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 1: is a slightly better player, and maybe even at a

1139
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: slightly better season, but that playoff game put it over

1140
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: the top for me. So I went with you and

1141
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: went Stingley and insertan first team Gonzalez second team. That

1142
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: leaves one spot. I think it has to go to

1143
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: one of these four guys. Quinon Mitchell, Oh yeah, Christian Benford.

1144
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 1: Christian Benford was great this year. He really was like

1145
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: a CB one on a really good defense, Trent McDuffie

1146
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: not probably his best, you know, playing.

1147
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 2: Outside he got moved around her.

1148
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: Still ultimately awesome and super valuable and in Denz Award,

1149
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: Like I don't, I'd have to talk to more people

1150
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: about it. But his best games are like the best

1151
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: of anyone's best games. So I wrote him down.

1152
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 2: I would take off Kamari if we put on Quinon.

1153
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 1: That that was the guy I ultimately put in my

1154
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: fourth spot, but I didn't feel strong about it. I

1155
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: would have accepted Benford or maybe McDuffie awards. So let's

1156
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: go Quinnon Mitchell Second team opera? Why not?

1157
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:50,439
Speaker 2: So wait? So PS two staying Christian Gonzales.

1158
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: And Mitchell is our outside corners in the slot? Oh

1159
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: wait do it? Do you owe me one yet?

1160
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 2: Because no, let's talk about it. Let's talk about it

1161
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 2: because I don't know you, you know, but let's talk

1162
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 2: about it because and I've been texting with one of

1163
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 2: our friends, bo Wolf, planning that this is what I

1164
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 2: was going to do to you today. Oh wow, Because

1165
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 2: when you remember Greg all the way back at the

1166
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 2: beginning of the season, when all of this needless debate

1167
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 2: over where is Cooper gen gonna play? When he is

1168
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 2: finally healthy and what is he going to do and

1169
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 2: how is he gonna blah blah blah. Okay, Actually he

1170
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 2: is built ideally for the revamped Vic Fangio defense and

1171
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 2: the star position, which is a slot position, yes, and

1172
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 2: it's a hybrid between a safety and a corner, and

1173
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 2: they have different coverage roles than some teammates sometimes. And

1174
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 2: to watch Cooper dejene really take over that role and

1175
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 2: turn into in my opinion, one of the better slot

1176
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 2: defenders in the entire NFL, especially down the stretch. If

1177
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 2: you go and watch some of the All twenty two

1178
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 2: about where he positions himself and where he's just able

1179
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 2: to affect the direction and the way that plays are

1180
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 2: made and the way that he has his attackle I

1181
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 2: think that I would like to talk about him, and

1182
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 2: bo Wolf does as well, about potentially making this team

1183
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 2: maybe second team. We'll see.

1184
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: Well, I didn't write him down. I should have, because

1185
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: I also wrote down Garrett Williams from the Cardinals just

1186
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,919
Speaker 1: as an honorable mention. I would put de Gine ahead

1187
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: of him, probably Toron Johnson. The actual second team surprised me.

1188
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: It was Derwin James.

1189
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that really surprised me on the That's why I

1190
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 2: felt like.

1191
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: I wrote him down. I feel stronger about my second

1192
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: teamer than anything else here. I put Marlin Humphrey, which

1193
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: is what the voters did to as my first team.

1194
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: Yeah too, I put Devin Weatherspoon as my second. Devin

1195
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: Weatherspoon is such a good player, and he didn't have

1196
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: a lot of ball production this year because they didn't

1197
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: like throw at him. But everything you're saying about Degene,

1198
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: I just think if you asked everyone around the league,

1199
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: like who's a better player right now? Who had a

1200
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: better season, I think it's I know he didn't have

1201
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: like crazy numbers, but when you watch him, he might

1202
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: be the He's so good. Devin Witherspoon is so good

1203
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: that I really want him on this team. That first

1204
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: I know.

1205
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 2: I know Devin Witherspoon is so good. He's written on

1206
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 2: my notes. But I do want to tell you that

1207
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 2: this this the way that the Eagles are able to

1208
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 2: stay in their A plus defense the entire game, the

1209
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 2: championship game. Eagles are able to stay in their A

1210
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 2: plus defense because they have the sort of master key

1211
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 2: player that Vic Fangio has always coveted in his schemes,

1212
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 2: but has now developed some of his coverages forward because

1213
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 2: he has a quinyon Mitchell and because he has a

1214
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 2: Cooper gen because he's got safeties playing well, but because

1215
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 2: he has a like It reminds me of twenty twenty

1216
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 2: with what they were trying to do at times with

1217
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 2: the with Jalen Ramsey and then also with Troy Hill

1218
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 2: at different times where you try to make this an

1219
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 2: unavoidable player. So you have to tilt all of your

1220
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 2: coverages away from somebody who happens to be taking up

1221
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 2: space in the middle field, and you can keep them

1222
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 2: on tight ends, you can keep them deep if you

1223
01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 2: want to, but you probably don't want to because you

1224
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 2: want him around the ball at all times. And so

1225
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 2: I think that that's where I would make this argument.

1226
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 2: And I was telling Bo last night when I was

1227
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 2: texting him, I was totally going to do this. And

1228
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 2: my brain is now wired to automatically argue with you

1229
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 2: in my head as I make a case for something

1230
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 2: and then bring somebody onto my team.

1231
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: So we're agreeing on Marlon Humphrey for sure.

1232
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 2: And I don't want to take anything away from Devin Weatherston.

1233
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,959
Speaker 1: The only person I wrote all on this entire sheet

1234
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: feel strong. Next to was Devin Witherspoon. But you know,

1235
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: it's been a great first year with you, Jordan. No

1236
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 1: one knows ball like you. I will just give you

1237
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 1: Cooper de Gene even though I don't agree with it.

1238
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: I mean, he would probably be my third or fourth team.

1239
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 1: It's not like it's crazy. I'm getting me. I don't

1240
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: like it. Devin Witherspoon, if you're out there, you know

1241
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: Seahawks fans, I believe. I believe he's a better player.

1242
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 2: Devin Witherspoon. I think you're one of the best defensive

1243
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 2: players in the league. Greg is trying to again.

1244
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: Till you wouldn't even think it on over.

1245
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 2: Greg is the ultimate Greg is the ultimate slot corner

1246
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 2: because he's tilting coverage is left and right and changing

1247
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 2: goalposts for arguments.

1248
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 1: You know. So for what it's worth, you know Dejeane

1249
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: didn't play the first month.

1250
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 2: Okay, well we have Blake Cashman. I didn't know.

1251
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 1: But here is between these two guys. I don't think

1252
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: Dejeane's heights.

1253
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 2: You wanted Micah Parsons on there, and he's as defensive

1254
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 2: player in the league.

1255
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 1: For those guys, they were so much better than the

1256
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: other guys.

1257
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 2: Puka Nakua on there too, and he you know.

1258
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: Missed the argument for those guys as they were so

1259
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 1: next level when they did play it. I don't I

1260
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: don't believe the corners. I'm giving it the league, I'm

1261
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 1: giving it to you. I'm not happy about it. Safeties,

1262
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 1: I went with the lot both Lions. I went with

1263
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 1: Joseph and Branch and then I had McKinney the fourth safety.

1264
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 1: Who did you have? I kind of left that open

1265
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: with I actually put.

1266
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 2: I know it was spotty at first, but I actually

1267
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 2: put Kyle Hamilton out there too, because once he got

1268
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 2: moved back and they made some of those adjustments in

1269
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 2: their secondary, it just was night and day. You could

1270
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 2: just tell that things were a little bit strained early on.

1271
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 2: And I just think watching him play is just pure

1272
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 2: It's just pure joy watching how he navigates space and

1273
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 2: manipulates it, like it's just awesome to watch.

1274
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 1: I wrote down Derwin as my initial one, like counted

1275
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 1: him as a safety, but obviously he could put him

1276
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 1: in the slot, and then, you know, just to have

1277
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 1: some Cardinals representation, we could put Buddha Baker here as

1278
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: a second.

1279
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 2: I know, and I like that he I liked that

1280
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 2: he got a nod too, and I put him I

1281
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 2: put him a question mark. Question mark could be on

1282
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:40,439
Speaker 2: this list, could be honorable mention.

1283
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: That's what I said. We're going Joseph and Branch as

1284
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: our team. I was surprised Branch didn't even come close

1285
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 1: to making all pro. Wh's just crazy to me. But

1286
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Speaker 1: he would have been. He would have gotten my first

1287
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: place vote. But reasonable minds disagree. I know the production

1288
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 1: wasn't there at the end, but I just think of

1289
01:03:55,920 --> 01:04:00,040
Speaker 1: his value. And then McKinney's second team, and then it

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Speaker 1: either Hamilton, Buddha or Buddha. I guess for the second team.

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01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 2: Oh, I probably go Buddha.

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01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: I feel much stronger about my Weatherspoon pick. Can I

1293
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:13,439
Speaker 1: put him at safety? No, it doesn't really make sense,

1294
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: all right?

1295
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 2: And then finally just put him on the list. Good lord.

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01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: No, actually, let's make a new let's make a new category.

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01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 2: I don't feel that strongly about anything.

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01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 1: You're going to do it.

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01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 2: You do what you want to do.

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01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 1: We're going to do it every year. Like I said,

1301
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 1: this is a document. We're putting it up on social

1302
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: every year. We get to add just one player each

1303
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 1: and you can choose any team, any any position, because let's.

1304
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 2: Put Joe and let's put let's put Burrow back at

1305
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 2: quarterback as the third, and then we'll put Witherspoon as

1306
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 2: the third in the slot. I love this. This is

1307
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 2: great compromise.

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01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 1: We each get one wild card pick every year, my pick.

1309
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: I love every Weatherspoon. I love that you're getting Joe

1310
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 1: Burrow on there.

1311
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 2: That. Yeah, I love this. This is this is great. Now,

1312
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 2: this is the platonically ideal roster.

1313
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 1: Platonic. Yes, I will see we can.

1314
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oagsmund ogsmund.

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01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 1: Okay, that's it for the All Pro team. I thought

1316
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: would be quicker. Of course we're not. Let's take one

1317
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 1: quick break and we're gonna run through the awards and

1318
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 1: we're gonna get onto our day down down to the

1319
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 1: Blasco Theater. Back here all right, wrapping up NFL Daily.

1320
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 1: It's Super Bowl Week? How crazy is that? It really

1321
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: is boggling my mind that in forty eight hours we

1322
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 1: will be taping our Wednesday show. We have really great guests,

1323
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 1: some big time quarterbacks, big time players at other positions. Again,

1324
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to jinx it, because sometimes these things

1325
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: change at the last minute. In aggregate, they're gonna be great,

1326
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna say say the names. Very excited,

1327
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 1: but there is there is a name that we're going

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01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 1: to be mentioning here for Offensive Rookie of the Year

1329
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 1: that you know, we we have written down, so hopefully

1330
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 1: we get to talk to him MVP. We ended up

1331
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: kind of agreeing on Lamar on first team. I didn't

1332
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 1: feel strong about it. I almost want to just make

1333
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 1: Saquon the MVP just after these playoffs and we're allowed

1334
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 1: to vote it, and then I don't have to choose,

1335
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 1: can we do? Should I do that? I wrote down

1336
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 1: Lamar Allen Saquon and then literally as we're talking, would

1337
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 1: be fun to just make it Saquon or No.

1338
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 2: When you wonder why these shows go long, this is

1339
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 2: an example of why.

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01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's go Lamar Allen in Saquon. Jordan

1341
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: has asked for this part of the show. I'm going

1342
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 1: to present my three and she's just gonna tell me

1343
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 1: where she disagrees or wants to change it. So I

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01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 1: will go Lamar Allen Saquon one, two, three. What do

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01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 1: you think?

1346
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 2: I agree?

1347
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 1: Okay, Defensive Player of the Year toughest one. I think

1348
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 1: it's different than figuring out our All pros like Miles

1349
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 1: Garrett to me could be first team All Pro, but

1350
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 1: maybe not Defensive Player of the Year, although he is finalist,

1351
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 1: because I don't know. It's tough. You have to be

1352
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 1: you have to be so far ahead of the path,

1353
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 1: I think to be on a team that bad and

1354
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 1: he just wasn't so in the end. And I'm thinking

1355
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 1: about the playoffs too. I'm going Zach Bond Defensive Player

1356
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:10,919
Speaker 1: of the Year, Patrick number two, and Trey Hendrickson three.

1357
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 1: I just think when you think about this season, it

1358
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 1: feels like more it was the Zach Bond season than anything,

1359
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 1: and he was the key to the best defense in

1360
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 1: the league.

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01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 2: WHOA. I think that broke my brain. I mean, I

1362
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 2: like your argument, but I still think Miles Garrett should

1363
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 2: be the defensive Player of the Year. I do like

1364
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 2: your argument. If you went Miles Bond, certain I'd be

1365
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 2: fine with that.

1366
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 1: I'm sticking with my guy Bond. We'll put in Miles

1367
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 1: over Tray. I kind of agree with you there at least,

1368
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: so we'll go Certain second and Miles Garrett third. Offensive

1369
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: Player of the Year. This is where Saquon will get

1370
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 1: his like sloppy seconds kind of weird. Let's just make

1371
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 1: a quarterback award in an offensive player award separate. But yeah,

1372
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 1: I went Saquon Chase in Burrow. It's like all the

1373
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 1: guys that you couldn't give the MVP two necessarily.

1374
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chase has to be in there. I mean what

1375
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 2: he accomplished this season, and like it kind of felt

1376
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 2: sneaky quiet that he yeah, yeah, you know what I mean,

1377
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 2: Like it just felt like that he just racked up,

1378
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 2: you know what, a triple crown, and like it just

1379
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 2: it just felt like it went way under the radar.

1380
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 2: And maybe that's like part of the machine doing its

1381
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 2: work because they're trying to suppress his pay eventually or something,

1382
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 2: but like it just felt like it was I just

1383
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 2: felt like it was quiet. Like it just was too quiet.

1384
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 2: I would have liked to see more celebration of that.

1385
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 2: I know that there was some, but like I just

1386
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 2: I would have liked to see people focus more on that.

1387
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 1: That's an amazing thing to do, it is, and the

1388
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: Saquon thing bothers me too, because if this was not

1389
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 1: an MVP running back season, there can't be one, you know,

1390
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 1: but I yeah, or there can't be one in a

1391
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 1: season like this again, if you put Saquon into last season,

1392
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 1: I think he wins this award over twenty twenty three

1393
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, which was one of the week gest MVP

1394
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 1: years I've ever seen. It happens now. And then there

1395
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 1: was there was there was a Defensive Player of the

1396
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 1: Year award where no one knew what who to give

1397
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 1: and like Terrell Suggs won and he had a good year,

1398
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 1: but it was just like he got like fifteen votes,

1399
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 1: but no one knew it happened. Sometimes offensive Rookie of

1400
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 1: the Year, this is the name I was teasing before

1401
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:20,639
Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels number one. And then our guy brock Bauers.

1402
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 1: We'll give him a two here. We kept him with

1403
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 1: sure five. It's too bad. Could we do ties at

1404
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 1: tight end? That would be we could really be just

1405
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 1: sneaky here. And then I put Brian Thomas as my

1406
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 1: third nice.

1407
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 2: I like that one. If you were going to say,

1408
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 2: Malik Neighbors, I would have roasted you again for putting

1409
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,600
Speaker 2: a truncated season again, even though you argue with me

1410
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:44,640
Speaker 2: that I can't do it again anyway. I like your

1411
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 2: picks Greg, great picks, nice job, good thinking, nice brain.

1412
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 1: There are levels, Jordan, if you put the I know.

1413
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,959
Speaker 2: I know you do not see the nice twisting.

1414
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 1: Like the Davis Hall of Fame case. It's like you

1415
01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 1: have to be Terrell Davis to make the Hall of

1416
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 1: Fame off those five years, but you weren't to Roald Davis.

1417
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 2: It's just nice to know there are just certain things

1418
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:04,639
Speaker 2: that can get under your skin.

1419
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 1: Greg.

1420
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 2: Honestly, like it's just.

1421
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 1: Nice comeback Player of the Year. Burrow's probably gonna win it,

1422
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 1: and I have to admit I wrote him down first,

1423
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 1: but I hate this award. I'm actually changing it now

1424
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:20,719
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be biased towards our guest on NFL

1425
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 1: Daily at Chargers Camp, and I'm gonna give it to JK.

1426
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 1: Dobbins and I'll go Donald second and Tomar Hamlin third.

1427
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be stupid when Burrow wins Offensive

1428
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 1: Player of the Year potentially and Comeback Player of the Year,

1429
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 1: and that could happen. So it's like it's kind of

1430
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 1: a weird award, but I'm gonna go Dobbin's Donald Damar Hamlin.

1431
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 2: One thing I did want to ask is how comfortable

1432
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 2: are you doing that knowing that also Dobbins did not

1433
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 2: have a complete season, and I say that very earnestly,

1434
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 2: like yeah, he then unfortunately I hated seeing it, but

1435
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 2: was hurt again. So it's almost like, okay, well, do

1436
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 2: you give him an incomplete and then you go Donald

1437
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 2: Hamlin or do you kind of right the wrong of

1438
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:06,639
Speaker 2: the DeMar Hamlin situation last year? You go Hamlin first.

1439
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:09,600
Speaker 2: This award is so convoluted and messed up at this

1440
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 2: point that I don't know that there's any right way

1441
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 2: to do it.

1442
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 1: Yeah. I really hope the NFL. I need to. I

1443
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:17,880
Speaker 1: need to find someone to talk to could make a

1444
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 1: most Improved award, because I think that's a better award. Yeah,

1445
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 1: you could. You could do come back and that's off injury,

1446
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:23,720
Speaker 1: but do.

1447
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:25,719
Speaker 2: Most improvement like literal death?

1448
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 1: Like the candidates which I just looked up and I

1449
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 1: didn't know we're actually the the players we all just said,

1450
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 1: Plus Christian Gonzales was in that mix, so, uh, Coach

1451
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 1: of the Year. I that this is one we did

1452
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 1: talk about on the show quite a bit. I now,

1453
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 1: considering the playoffs, I threw dan Quinn into the top three,

1454
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 1: but I still stuck with my original one two, which

1455
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 1: was Dan Campbell Andy Reid, I didn't feel like I

1456
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: wanted to be pushed off of that. But I now

1457
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:55,800
Speaker 1: snuck Quinn in as third. And if you put John

1458
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:57,599
Speaker 1: Payton in there, I wouldn't argue with you either.

1459
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 2: I had Andy Reid and then Dan Quinn and then

1460
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:01,919
Speaker 2: Dan Campbell.

1461
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:04,600
Speaker 1: Okay, And then there is an Assistant Coach of the

1462
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:09,600
Speaker 1: Year award, and the finalists are really funny. Do you

1463
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 1: have any strong takes on this?

1464
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 2: Vic M Fink Fangio wins this award.

1465
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:16,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he might win the award, and that

1466
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 1: will be really funny to see the taped video that

1467
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 1: he sends into NFL Honors or whatever.

1468
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna be so grumpy. He's gonna be so mad.

1469
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 1: Joe Brady was nominated. By the way, Ben Johnson is

1470
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 1: a finalist if you didn't give it to Fangio and

1471
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 1: this guy is not a finalist. I always say with

1472
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:35,639
Speaker 1: this award, it does not say Coordinator of the Year.

1473
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:38,640
Speaker 1: It says assistant coach. So give me some Jeff Stoutland,

1474
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 1: Let's give him like a career Achievement award. You just

1475
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 1: turned Mackay Beckton and the Saquon season into absolute goal.

1476
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 1: New center Dickerson's like used to play like everything is

1477
01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 1: my lot as a development case. So I'm giving my

1478
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 1: Assistant Coach of the Year to Jeff Stotlin. But I

1479
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 1: think Vic Fangio would be a great jow.

1480
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 2: Let's have him share it. I mean front side of

1481
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:02,680
Speaker 2: the ball, backside of the ball, like you got it,

1482
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 2: like I love it, You've got it. And you know

1483
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 2: who would really love sharing it is Vic Fangio.

1484
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 1: So I don't think maybe I'm wrong. Actually, he probably

1485
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:12,400
Speaker 1: would want the credit everyone wants.

1486
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 2: It was sarcasm, Greg, but he wants a little.

1487
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, pat pat in the back. I was I was

1488
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:20,639
Speaker 1: gonna say, I'm arguing to myself that what he doesn't

1489
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:22,719
Speaker 1: care about awards. You know, he's a guy who's gonna

1490
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 1: be like, I don't care.

1491
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:25,680
Speaker 2: But deep down, you know that's not true. They all

1492
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 2: care about awards.

1493
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 1: You know it cares.

1494
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 2: I know.

1495
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to NFL Honors that is Thursday night.

1496
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to tonight downtown at the Belasco Theater. Again,

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Speaker 1: if if you're listening to this on Monday, it's not

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Speaker 1: it's not too late. If you're in the LA area

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Speaker 1: and all the tickets UH will go to a great

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Speaker 1: cause supporting wild fire relief efforts. Thank you, Jordan. I

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Speaker 1: will see you tonight. I also see you on Tuesday

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Speaker 1: because we're on the same plane, but I will see

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Speaker 1: you on air on Wednesday. Hit the music, let''s get

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Speaker 1: out of here. Thanks Jordan. Tuesday show and there will

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Speaker 1: be a show. We'll be done at the Chris westleyan

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Speaker 1: podcast studio with my friend Patrick Clabon. Might try to

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Speaker 1: get another guest here before I go and get on

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Speaker 1: that plane. And yeah, and we're just two days away

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Speaker 1: from getting on that plane. You know, football is back.