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Speaker 1: The Charlie Kirk Show starts now today.

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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk rests in glory in heaven for all eternity.

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Speaker 2: He has gone from speaking on campuses in Wisconsin to

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Speaker 2: kneeling at the throne of God, where he is right now.

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Speaker 3: Verly, verly, I say unto you, this is Christ speaking.

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Speaker 3: Except a corn of wheat fall onto the ground and die,

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Speaker 3: it abideth alone. But if it die, it bringeth forth

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Speaker 3: much fruit. And I want to thank Charlie for his

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Speaker 3: sacrifice because much fruit is going to be realized now.

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Speaker 4: I want you to know that Charlie right now is

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Speaker 4: in heaven. Not because he was a great husband and father,

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Speaker 4: Not because he saved millions of kids out of darkness

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Speaker 4: on college campuses, not because he changed minds and chased

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Speaker 4: votes to save the country, not because he sacrificed himself

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Speaker 4: for his savior. Charlie Kirk is in heaven because his

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Speaker 4: Savior sacrificed himself for Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 5: But the main thing about Charlie and his message, he

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Speaker 5: was bringing the Gospel to the country. He was doing

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Speaker 5: the thing that the people in charge hate most, which

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Speaker 5: is calling for them to repent.

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Speaker 6: I believe Charlie is still urging us on, urging us

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Speaker 6: not to sit back, not to be quiet, but to

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Speaker 6: carry on his mission forward loudly, proudly, and with the

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Speaker 6: same conviction he showed.

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Speaker 7: Sacrifice is a gift.

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Speaker 8: Sacrifice is that last full measure of devotion for God,

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Speaker 8: for country, and for his people.

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Speaker 1: Peo will devote the rest of our lives.

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Speaker 9: To finishing the causes for which Charlie gave his last

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Speaker 9: measure of devotion.

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Speaker 10: You cannot defeat us, You cannot slow us, you cannot

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Speaker 10: stop us, you cannot deter us.

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Speaker 7: We will carry Charlie and Erica in our heart, but.

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Speaker 2: We go forward, strengthened by his faith and boasted by

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Speaker 2: his courage, and inspired by his example, to defend the

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Speaker 2: country he lived for.

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Speaker 4: You see, Charlie Kirk was a true believer for the

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Speaker 4: cause of freedom, for the power of young people, belief

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Speaker 4: in our republic and our founding principles, in America first

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Speaker 4: and make America great again.

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Speaker 7: But more importantly, he was a true believer.

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Speaker 1: Only Christ is King our Lord.

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Speaker 2: And say the lesson of Charlie's life is that you

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Speaker 2: should never underestimate what one person can do.

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Speaker 11: With a good heart.

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Speaker 2: A righteous cause, a cheerful spirit, and the will to fight, fight, fight.

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Speaker 12: Charlie lived with our founders, envisioned freedom, the right to

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Speaker 12: speak even when we disagree.

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Speaker 13: Freedom.

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Speaker 12: I may not agree with what you say, but I

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Speaker 12: will fight to defend to the death with my very life,

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Speaker 12: your right to speak.

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Speaker 14: Now, our whole administration is here, but not just because

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Speaker 14: we love Charlie as a friend, even though we did,

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Speaker 14: but because we know we wouldn't be.

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Speaker 7: Here without him.

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Speaker 8: In the words of sore and Kergarten, the tyrant dies

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Speaker 8: and his rule is over.

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Speaker 1: The martyr dies in his rule has just begun.

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Speaker 7: On the cross.

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Speaker 12: Our Savior said, Father, forgive them, for they not know

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Speaker 12: what they do.

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Speaker 7: That man, that.

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Speaker 13: Man, I forgive him.

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Speaker 14: Every day there's a battle for your mind, raging information

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Speaker 14: coming from every angle, but the will to the sea

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Speaker 14: fear not. You found the place for truth, the voice

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Speaker 14: of a generation that still has the will to believe

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Speaker 14: in the greatest country in the history of the world.

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Speaker 7: This is the Charlie Kirk Show. Fuck a lot, here

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Speaker 7: we go on. Everybody, Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

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Speaker 15: This is Andrew Colvett, executive producer of this show. And

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Speaker 15: that empty chair reminds us of Charlie's legacy is memory

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Speaker 15: and the fact that political violence took his life an

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Speaker 15: assassination did. And this morning we awoke to more news

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Speaker 15: of political violence targeted at ICE in Texas and to

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Speaker 15: start off the show, and we had a whole show planned,

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Speaker 15: but I thought it was important that we do this

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Speaker 15: simply it hits very close to home for this team,

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Speaker 15: I can tell you, and so I wanted to have

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Speaker 15: Borders are time I'm home and kick off the top

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Speaker 15: of the show with us. So Borders our home and

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Speaker 15: thank you for joining us. What can you tell us

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Speaker 15: about what happened in Texas.

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 16: This morning a long gunman was targeting an ICE facility

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Speaker 16: in Dallas, Texas. It's where aliens are processed either for

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Speaker 16: removed or transfer to a facility. And again it's a

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Speaker 16: third shooting that's occurred in Texas against immigration officials. And

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Speaker 16: we had a shooter show up at Borbitrol facility an

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Speaker 16: by agents. Then we had a group of people show

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Speaker 16: and tried to kill ICE agents and they did shoot

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Speaker 16: the scene. And now we have this today, we're a

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Speaker 16: lone gunman stood at perch and open up on ICE

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Speaker 16: during a transportation transfer, and we know we haven't please.

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Speaker 11: Two dead and.

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Speaker 16: Officers are uninjured. And it later was announced by a

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Speaker 16: cash battelle that one of the bullets had anti ICE

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Speaker 16: a slogan on the bullets, so this was clearly a

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Speaker 16: target attack against ICE.

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Speaker 15: Well, borders are I just know that Charlie, this is

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Speaker 15: his show. He was such a supporter of yours and

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Speaker 15: was worried for our brave men and women in law

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Speaker 15: enforcement that were doing what the voters had voted for

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Speaker 15: very clearly to remove illegal aliens from this country. And

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Speaker 15: we've seen these stats that the targetings are on the increase,

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Speaker 15: that assaults against ICE officers. Are we still seeing a

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Speaker 15: ramp up? I mean, this instance is awful. Thank god

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Speaker 15: no law enforcement were harmed or injured. But you know,

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Speaker 15: our prayers are with the families of the detainees that

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Speaker 15: have lost their lives. But are we seeing this continue

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Speaker 15: the violence and the attacks against ice officers.

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Speaker 16: First of all, you're right. I've had I had many

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Speaker 16: discussions with Charlie and he always ended the discussion to

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Speaker 16: be safe and that ICE officers should be safe because

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Speaker 16: the rhetoric has continued to increase. Assaults on ICE officers

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Speaker 16: up over one thousand percent. And know that rhetorica has stopped.

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Speaker 16: And ICE said months ago, months ago, that the hateful

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Speaker 16: rhetoric didn't decrease. It's going to end in bloodshed. Someone's

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Speaker 16: going to die. And of course I was called a fearmonger,

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Speaker 16: and the left said I was, you know, making irresponsible comments.

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Speaker 16: Unfortunately I was right. And uh, just this past weekend

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Speaker 16: mean in Chicago, the ice facilities under attack. Portland in Portland, Oregon,

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Speaker 16: the ice facility there has been under attack for months.

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Speaker 16: So you know, no, it has not sold down, either

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Speaker 16: has the hateful rhetoric from some up on hill. Some

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Speaker 16: I would say on the left, you know, not everybody,

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Speaker 16: you know, not everybody on the Left as a bad person.

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Speaker 16: Most of them, you know, aren't, but there's that fraction

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Speaker 16: that listens to this rhetoric and they feel empowered to

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Speaker 16: take action against ICE. If you've got a member of

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Speaker 16: directfiliation of the Nazis, or calling straight out Nazis to terrorists,

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Speaker 16: or governor knew some just recently said the secret police.

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Speaker 16: I mean he just he just passed the legislation about

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Speaker 16: secret police. I mean, bottom line is that rhetoric is

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Speaker 16: causing some of this violence. And I've been calling for

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Speaker 16: people stop the hateful rihetic because it's more going to

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Speaker 16: I said at that time, there's going to be more

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Speaker 16: if the rhetoric doesn't stop. I've seen this. I've seen

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Speaker 16: this game before. I've seen this story before, and I

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Speaker 16: know between what you know, what happened to ourselficers across

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Speaker 16: I mean, you know, at what point the people just,

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Speaker 16: you know, stop the hate. You can disagree with Ice does,

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Speaker 16: but taking those towards actions, it's just it's unbelievable. There's

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Speaker 16: no excuse for it.

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Speaker 7: I want to show you a graphic. I'm going to

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Speaker 7: put up a graphic.

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Speaker 15: It's it's basically who which groups justify violence based on age.

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Speaker 7: And political affiliation?

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Speaker 15: If you could put up one forty one, this is

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Speaker 15: the question, is it ever justified for citizens to resort

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Speaker 15: to violence in order to achieve political goals? And this

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Speaker 15: is the percentage responding yes. And you can see there

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Speaker 15: that's thirty percent believe that sometimes violence is justified to

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Speaker 15: achieve a political goal. And I believe you know that

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Speaker 15: matches with what happened to Charlie. I don't know that

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Speaker 15: you know the age of this particular shooter in Texas,

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Speaker 7: Are seeing an alarming rise.

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Speaker 15: And by the way, it's worth noting conservatives eighteen to

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Speaker 15: right to quell the violence. To quell the rhetoric to say,

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Speaker 15: We have to find a solution here. And yet that

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Speaker 15: a sore thumb there, Tom eighteen to thirty nine. Thirty

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Speaker 16: Your thoughts, Well, it's not the country I grew up in.

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Speaker 16: I mean, you've never heard of this. When I went

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Speaker 16: just for violence. Ever, I really think that many of

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Speaker 16: the colleges have failed us, you know, and also think

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Speaker 16: that the negative publicity being pushed by ninety percent of

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Speaker 16: the media, ninety percent of the media constant attacked this

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Speaker 16: administration and the work we're doing. And I've said it before,

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Speaker 16: I think there's groups out there that hate President Trump

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Speaker 16: more than they love their communities and more than they

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Speaker 16: you know, have any common sense. It's there's no reason

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Speaker 16: for it. I mean, it's just it's out of control.

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Speaker 11: And you're right.

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Speaker 16: The last four years on a Biden administration, everybody was

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Speaker 16: angry about the border. Everybody is angry about what the

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Speaker 16: number of Americans dying from Fatinahl, the fast increase in

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Speaker 16: sex trafficking, the cartels having placement in this country, killing

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Speaker 16: mains of Americans were poison You didn't see that. That

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Speaker 16: counter protests that turned criminal. So it's it's mainly on

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Speaker 16: one side. And and again I'm hoping today, on top

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Speaker 16: of everything that's happen in the last few months, let's

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Speaker 16: stop the hate. Well that's all. Let's have a meaningful debate,

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Speaker 16: which Chartie was all sport. Let's have a debate about

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Speaker 16: the issues. Let's get back to talking. Read Tom putting

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Speaker 15: Tom, I want to make this personal about one minute remaining.

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Speaker 15: I know that this kind of rhetoric has directly impacted

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Speaker 15: your life and your family. If you if whatever details

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Speaker 15: you can share, I want the audience to know what

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Speaker 15: the real impact is for real people like yourself.

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Speaker 7: One minute.

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Speaker 16: I have a twenty four to seven on a security

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Speaker 16: detail because the threats against me. I don't live with

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Speaker 16: my family because I don't want them around danger as

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Speaker 16: much as I can. So you know it's tough, but

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Speaker 16: I'm not going away. I'm not shutting out. I can

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Speaker 16: continue fighting to make the country great.

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Speaker 15: I thought it was important to lead with that and

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Speaker 15: on behalf of a grateful nation. Tom, thank you for

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Speaker 15: your service, thank you for your courage, thank you for

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Speaker 7: More when we get back from break, we'll be right.

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Speaker 18: Back, Terrence, bea too with your real American's voice.

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Speaker 10: News great, thanks so much for being here with us.

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Speaker 10: They're working to update you on the latest information involving

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Speaker 10: this morning shooting at a Dallas ice facility. Investigators now

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Speaker 10: confirming that at least one victim is dead two others hurt. However,

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Speaker 1: Politically motivated violence is wrong.

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Speaker 9: It was two weeks ago today that we saw a

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Speaker 9: To every politician who is using rhetoric demonizing ICE and

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Speaker 10: Please pray for the victims and their families. Well, it

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Speaker 10: I'm Terrence Bates.

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Speaker 15: All right, Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. This

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Speaker 15: as the great doctor James Or. Honored to have you,

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Speaker 11: Well, Andrew, thank you. It's just so good to be

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Speaker 15: You were a really important bridge for him, and he

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Speaker 11: rare these days on elite campuses on both sides of

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Speaker 11: the Atlantic. And it was when fortunate to have him.

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Speaker 11: And and then we've got some we got some images. Yeah,

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Speaker 11: the bouncy yeah, oh bless him. Yeah, he that was

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Speaker 11: Charlie found that so funny.

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Speaker 7: It looks like a Harry Potter figure. That's it, that's it.

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Speaker 11: He was yeah, quick on his feet, just jumping up

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Speaker 11: and down and yeah, amazing, I remember that so well,

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Speaker 11: and it was it was just great to see. And

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Speaker 11: as I said, it punctured the group thinking. You know,

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Speaker 11: I've said this before that the trouble with with group

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Speaker 11: think is that wrong think becomes evil think. You know,

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Speaker 11: when there's just this this tiny minority opinion, then that

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Speaker 11: it just becomes subversive, it becomes something that is that

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Speaker 11: is threatening, it's it's and so it's it's so easy

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Speaker 11: to demonize. And what we saw a boat on both

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Speaker 11: those debates was Charlie's ability to put across cases and

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Speaker 11: positions in a winsome, civil, respectful way. And you know,

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Speaker 11: I think the assassination has has just it's triggered off

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Speaker 11: a whole lot of very interesting debates on the free

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Speaker 11: speech side of things, of course, and Charlie's great free

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Speaker 11: speech warrior. We've been fighting a lot on free speech

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Speaker 11: battles and university campuses and but you know, if this is,

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Speaker 11: if this is how it ends, if one side is

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Speaker 11: so quick to resort in the end of lawfare or

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Speaker 11: warfare or violence, what do we do? Where does that

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Speaker 11: leave liberalism? Where does where does that leave of the project?

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Speaker 8: I don't you know, we've seen the reaction around the world,

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Speaker 8: but there's Cambridge students who came out to support Charlie

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Speaker 8: last mew.

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Speaker 11: How they reacted to this, Well, they've I tell you,

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Speaker 11: they've been in They've been in pieces, they've they've it's

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Speaker 11: it's been very upsetting for them and my son in particular,

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Speaker 11: who just worshiped Charlie and Charlie recorded little video for

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Speaker 11: him actually when I was here at the offices a

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Speaker 11: month ago. It's been very hard and even those who

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Speaker 11: didn't know them at all. I mean, we gathered the

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Speaker 11: two days after it happened Friday. It was the Friday

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Speaker 11: evening outside Downing Street, a pretty spontaneous visual thousands and

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Speaker 11: thousands of people around the Cenotaph from Whitehall, just so moving,

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Speaker 11: just this very kind of very unusual to see that

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Speaker 11: in London, and just sort of it was there was

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Speaker 11: there was a sense of a great, great kind of

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Speaker 11: piece in love.

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Speaker 15: Radio back here. Yeah, well we'll take radio back. But

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Speaker 15: I love where this is going. Stay right there, welcome

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Speaker 15: back to radio stations across the country. We have doctor

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Speaker 15: James Or who is a brilliant man, and you're a

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Speaker 15: professor at Cambridge University, and you welcomed Charlie to the UK.

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Speaker 15: You helped get these debates set up for Charlie, which

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Speaker 15: would be one of his last big trips. And it's

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Speaker 15: hard to think about that. He loved that trip, he

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Speaker 15: loved meeting you. You are so dear to him. And

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Speaker 15: I know that you guys had great plans to keep

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Speaker 15: learning from each other. And you are yourself becoming sort

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Speaker 15: of known politically in the UK, and I know that

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Speaker 15: you enter into that with fear and trembling and a

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Speaker 15: great and a great weight on your shoulders. And we

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Speaker 15: could get into that a little bit later, but I love.

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Speaker 7: What we're talking about.

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Speaker 15: You were witnessing the immediate aftermath of the assassination, and

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Speaker 15: there was huge visials throughout the UK and I said

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Speaker 15: something it before that profits are rejected.

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Speaker 7: That is sort of the model.

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Speaker 15: And he was a prophet taking the truth around the world,

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Speaker 15: even to the UK. But there was a remnant that

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Speaker 15: heard what he said. And then you had Tommy Robinson

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Speaker 15: lead this huge march.

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Speaker 7: Elon Musk called in. They talked about Charlie.

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Speaker 15: I saw so many people with Charlie's picture and they

510
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Speaker 15: were chanting, Channing, Charlie, Charlie. It was really beautiful for

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Speaker 15: me to see this outpouring of love for Charlie even

512
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Speaker 15: across the pond. What what was that like? It take

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Speaker 15: us into that moment?

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Speaker 11: Yes, well I didn't go on on that much, but

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Speaker 11: I know that over the summer there was a lot

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Speaker 11: of anxiety in the press within the establishment about about it.

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Speaker 11: And I remember talking to Charlie about it last last month,

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Speaker 11: and you know, they were just sort of you know, premonitions,

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Speaker 11: people thinking that this is gonna this is going to

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Speaker 11: end violently. It was, it was, it was demonized. I

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Speaker 11: think you know, one silver lining you might say is

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Speaker 11: that that I think the march, from what I can tell,

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Speaker 11: was broadly peaceful. I mean there about one hundred thousand

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Speaker 11: people marching through the streets, and I think there was

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Speaker 11: something like twenty five arrests, which I think, you know,

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Speaker 11: you compare it to similar kinds of events, that's not

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Speaker 11: not out of the ordinary at all. And it was

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Speaker 11: from what I could tell from just just looking at

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Speaker 11: the footage, was it was peaceful. And I'm sure that

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Speaker 11: that sense of it being a vigil for Charlie, of

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Speaker 11: being a sort of witness to Charlie, as you say,

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Speaker 11: his face was all over posters everywhere of him, and

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Speaker 11: I think that would have had a calming effect on

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Speaker 11: the march. And I think, you know, there there was

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Speaker 11: a great atmosphere from what I could tell, you know,

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Speaker 11: it was broadly demonized in the mainstream media afterwards as

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Speaker 11: far as I could tell, but I think it went

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Speaker 11: off a lot better than many people were worrying about

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Speaker 11: over the summer.

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Speaker 16: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: Well, and to the point about violence, and I know

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Speaker 15: that there's an establishment press that is even more entrenched

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Speaker 15: in the UK than there is in the US, and

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Speaker 15: they still have more power to sort of set narratives

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Speaker 15: and things, and so that's certainly something that needs to

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Speaker 15: be addressed in the UK. But the point is you

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Speaker 15: had all these people that have a lot of reason

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Speaker 15: to be upset about things, but they are largely peaceful.

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Speaker 15: And that's the actual truth. The actual truth is that

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Speaker 15: it was sort of beautiful and really respectful. And we

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Speaker 15: got a note yesterday. I can't dive olge who this

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Speaker 15: is from, but this note was passed along. So just

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Speaker 15: got off the phone with a friend, won't say the

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Speaker 15: name who is swat and was tasked with working the

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Speaker 15: memorial for Charlie here in Glendale, Arizona. He said they

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Speaker 15: were all briefed to one hundred percent expects something major

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Speaker 15: to happen, and the whole event came and went without

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Speaker 15: one arrest between Peoria, MASAK, Glendale, and Phoenix PD, all

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Speaker 15: assisting a complete anomaly for an event even ten percent

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Speaker 15: this side.

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Speaker 8: Even the Super Bowl would have someone get drunk and

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Speaker 8: like punch a guy.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, they didn't have one arrest. And the power of prayer.

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Speaker 15: You know, I keep saying this over and over again,

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Speaker 15: the first time in my life that I've I can

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Speaker 15: feel the prayers of strangers just sustaining this whole team

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Speaker 15: through turning point, Turning point action the Charlie Kirk Show.

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Speaker 7: You can feel it.

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Speaker 15: And you could feel the prayers inside the memorial and

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Speaker 15: you were there. You actually made it back, which is

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Speaker 15: a whole other saga, which is incredible, and I think

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Speaker 15: such an honor. Charlie would have been just so honored

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Speaker 15: to know what you went through in order to get

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Speaker 15: like plane strays and automobiles for you in that trip.

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Speaker 15: But I want to do I do want to stay

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Speaker 15: on the UK. Do you think you know a lot

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Speaker 15: of people are talking about this as a revival moment

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Speaker 15: in the US. A lot of people are talking about

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Speaker 15: this is the turning point, this is a politically galvanizing moment.

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Speaker 15: Do you feel like this is having at least some

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Speaker 15: sort of the same effect in the UK.

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Speaker 11: It's had extraordinary verberations all across Europe, I think, and

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Speaker 11: definitely definitely in Britain. I'm having conversations with people about

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Speaker 11: about faith, about family, about about freedom, about loving your

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Speaker 11: country that I simply, you know, it was just very

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Speaker 11: very difficult to have before. And he's he's unleashed something extraordinary.

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Speaker 11: A lot of people didn't really know who Charlie was.

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Speaker 11: I think in Britain it's only you know, when when

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Speaker 11: the news broke, people started you know, you know, the

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Speaker 11: framing I think even on the BBC. The BBC to

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Speaker 11: start with at least was saying his is a far

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Speaker 11: right character, some of the some of the press which

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Speaker 11: just were demonizing him, but very quickly that that shifted

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Speaker 11: and it was just just just obvious he was. You

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Speaker 11: couldn't mistake it. He was an extraordinary husband, loving father, civil,

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Speaker 11: respectful in his engagement with with young people. And that

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Speaker 11: came across very very quickly. And so it's it's been,

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Speaker 11: it's it's been remarkable the kind of conversations that have

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Speaker 11: opened up. And I think his legacy is going to

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Speaker 11: be a remarkable one. I think, you know, we're having

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Speaker 11: these big debates in Britain at the moment around exactly

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Speaker 11: these kinds of issues and all of those, all of

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Speaker 11: those sort of those great sort of four cornerstones I

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Speaker 11: think of, you know, the faith, family, flag and freedom

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Speaker 11: that were just celebrating that extraordinary way in the stadium

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Speaker 11: on Sunday and those It's very difficult still in Britain

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Speaker 11: to have conversations around around those. But something's shifted and

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Speaker 11: I'm sure that Charlie's legacy will be to catalyze that,

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Speaker 11: and and and to put those issues back on the

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Speaker 11: table and they're going to be right, you know, front

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Speaker 11: and center of the British political landscape over the next

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Speaker 11: five years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: I just want to make sure you're getting because you

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Speaker 15: and James, You and James. You were in England with James.

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Speaker 15: So I just want to make sure I'm giving what's happen.

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Speaker 8: Of course, of course, you know, before we move on

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Speaker 8: too far from the debate. I know this is I

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Speaker 8: followed this, you definitely followed it. But I don't know

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Speaker 8: that a lot of people in the US know about this.

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Speaker 8: That one of the Oxford Union people that Charlie met

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Speaker 8: when he debated there, he posted something about Charlie's death

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Speaker 8: that was that was pretty bad and there's been a

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Speaker 8: backlash to that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely, So the it's the incoming president of the Oxford

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Speaker 11: Union who who debated Charlie back in May. I think

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Speaker 11: said something. I can't remember the words he said.

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Speaker 1: Kay.

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Speaker 8: He so President elect George Aberonnier, who there is an

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Speaker 8: image of them debating. I'll get that loaded to our

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Speaker 8: team so they can put this up. Get that asap, guys.

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Speaker 8: So he posted he debated Charlie. He was one of

634
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Speaker 8: the people who debated him, and he appeared to sell it.

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Speaker 8: He shared multiple celebratory remarks about the shooting on WhatsApp.

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Speaker 8: According to the Oxford Student, one message said Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 8: got shot. Lets effing go, and the other said scoreboard FN.

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Speaker 8: I don't know what that means. I think Ryan would

639
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Speaker 8: probably be able to tell me what that means. But

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Speaker 8: basically scoreboard, I mean it's like basically put a point

641
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Speaker 8: on the board because we took one down and you

642
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Speaker 8: can probably tell us more about what happens.

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Speaker 7: So has he been punished for this?

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Speaker 11: So there was a big debate kind of blew up afterwards.

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Speaker 11: I to be honest, I was so upset at the time.

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Speaker 11: I was just trying I was tuning out of the

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Speaker 11: negative reactions and I was trying not to dwell on

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Speaker 11: it too much. But I was getting a lot of

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Speaker 11: texts from people who were signing a letter of effectively

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Speaker 11: a letter of no confidence. And I think the threshold

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Speaker 11: is it's something like one hundred and fifty. So if

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Speaker 11: you were an officer of the Oxford Union in the

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Speaker 11: past that you were, you could you could force you

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Speaker 11: could force a resignation. I'm not I think they've hit

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Speaker 11: about seventy signatures and we are I mean, it's a

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Speaker 11: very damning Yeah, I mean I think it's it's touched

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Speaker 11: enough because you know, the worry is is this, you know,

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Speaker 11: is this legitimate speech? Is this? Is this he was

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Speaker 11: you know, should he'd be should he be expelled for this?

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Speaker 11: Should he be rusticating?

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Speaker 15: But hold on that this is one of these stupid

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Speaker 15: academic cul de sacs that people that are you know,

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Speaker 15: educated but beyond their intelligence get themselves into. And this

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Speaker 15: is like, I'm sorry, Charlie Kirk was murdered, assassinated. Do

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Speaker 15: you think it's okay that Martin Luther King or jfk

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Speaker 15: or Lincoln or whoever was assassinated?

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Speaker 7: Do we think that this is okay? Do we think

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Speaker 7: political violence okay?

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Speaker 15: Listen, I understand if some fringe character on some discord

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Speaker 15: chat thinks that it's you know, it's gleeful, but that

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Speaker 15: that person does not represent Cambridge or Oxford that is

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Speaker 15: supposed to be a premier institution. I'm calling I hope

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Speaker 15: this gets clipped. I am calling on you sane left

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Speaker 15: wing students that are still you know, advocates for civilization

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Speaker 15: to sign that petition that letter, whatever it is, get

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Speaker 15: it to one point fifty. That is not okay, even

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Speaker 15: if you disagree with Charlie. Charlie was a fun mentally

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Speaker 15: good and decent, loving husband and father who believed in

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Speaker 15: the building blocks of Western civilization. He did not deserve this,

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Speaker 15: and for somebody that to represent your school that would

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Speaker 15: celebrate his death is shocking that you cannot get one

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Speaker 15: hundred and fifty people to put their name to disciplining

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Speaker 15: or at least or whatever.

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Speaker 7: I don't even know what this but the fact that

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Speaker 7: that can go unchecks is abysmal.

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Speaker 15: It is such an indictment of the moral character and

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Speaker 15: the lack of moral clarity that exists at the UK's

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Speaker 15: elite institutions. I just have to say that get it

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Speaker 15: over one fifty absolutely right.

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Speaker 11: You know, language like that it LAIDs down the enabling

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Speaker 11: conditions correct for violence, and.

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Speaker 15: It dehumanizes conservatives that if you are a conservative, you're

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Speaker 15: less than human, you don't deserve to live. And by

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Speaker 15: the way, if somebody kills you, you had to come in.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: To be clear, the unanimous reaction on left and right

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Speaker 11: in Britain was one of condemnation and anger. Good and so.

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Speaker 8: Just surely not unanimous, but when somebody actually has to

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Speaker 8: put their name to it, they get weak in the knees.

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Speaker 15: What is there to be weak in the knees about

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Speaker 15: political assassinations?

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Speaker 11: I couldn't agree more. And I mean two days later,

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Speaker 11: I remember we were I was having lunch with Nigel

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Speaker 11: Nigel Paragen and people there's this group walked out and

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Speaker 11: screamed fascist at us, and I just thought to myself,

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Speaker 11: you know, and he gets that all the time, of course,

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Speaker 11: but I just thought to myself, just you know, Charlie's

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Speaker 11: blood had barely run cold, and still they would have

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Speaker 11: known exactly what had happened. They would have known the

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Speaker 11: kind of rhetoric and the demonizing that can lay down,

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Speaker 11: as it were, the conditions for uh for for violence

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Speaker 11: on the left. And I just, you know, I don't see.

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Speaker 11: I didn't see how we come out of this, you know,

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Speaker 11: I don't see what solutions liberalism, liberalism has.

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Speaker 15: You know, I want to I didn't mention this, but

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Speaker 15: it's worth mentioning that that go up, and go ahead

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Speaker 15: and put up one forty one again, you can do

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Speaker 15: it on the screen, and this is this poll about

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Speaker 15: political violence being justified.

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Speaker 7: One forty one.

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Speaker 15: And you look at the date that this was conducted

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Speaker 15: September twelfth through September fifteenth. Charlie was murdered on the tenth.

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Speaker 15: This is a poll conducted after the assassination of Charlie Kirk,

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Speaker 15: and thirty percent of young liberals still believe that that

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Speaker 15: is extreme. That'll make Yeah, that should be a sobering,

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Speaker 15: sobering stat for anybody. We've got to take a quick break.

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Speaker 15: We'll be right back with doctor James Or from the UK.

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Speaker 10: Terrence Bits here with your Real America's Voice newsbreak.

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Speaker 18: Thanks so much for being here with us.

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Speaker 10: We're continuing to update the investigation regarding this morning's shooting

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Speaker 10: at a Dallas ice facility, Investigators now saying at least

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Speaker 10: one victim is dead two others injured. However, police only

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Speaker 10: confirming that no law enforcement official was hurt. No confirmation

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Speaker 10: about who the victims are or in what capacity they

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Speaker 10: were at that facility. We do know that a sniper

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Speaker 10: went on a shooting spree from a nearby rooftop and

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Speaker 10: eventually killed himself. The FBI, investigating the attack quote as

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Speaker 10: an act of targeted violence, saying that some of the

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Speaker 10: bullet casings as you can see here, had anti ICE

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Speaker 10: messages on them.

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Speaker 9: Politically motivated violence is wrong. It was two weeks ago

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Speaker 9: today that we saw a political assassination in Utah that

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Speaker 9: hard out of much of this country. This is the

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Speaker 9: third shooting in Texas directed at ICE or CBP.

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Speaker 1: This must stop.

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Speaker 9: To every politician who is using rhetoric demonizing ICE and

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Speaker 9: demonizing CBP, stop to every politician demanding that ICE agents

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Speaker 9: be docksed and calling for people to go after their families.

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Speaker 1: Stop. This has very real consequences.

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Speaker 10: DHS Secretary Christy no Im posting this message on X

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Speaker 10: writing in part, while we don't know motive yet, we

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Speaker 10: know that our ICE law enforcement is facing unprecedented violence

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Speaker 10: against them.

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Speaker 18: It must stop. Please pray for.

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Speaker 10: The victims and their families. An FBI search of former

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Speaker 10: National Security Advisor John Bolton's Washington d C office reportedly

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Speaker 10: turned up classified docum. That's the word from a court

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Speaker 10: filing that was released on Tuesday. The documents were reportedly

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Speaker 10: gathered in August and allegedly included materials that reference weapons

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Speaker 10: of mass destruction, among other things.

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Speaker 18: That's a quick check of your headlines.

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Speaker 15: All right, Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk show time

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Speaker 15: is flying with you, by the way, doctor James Orr.

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Speaker 7: It's truly amazing.

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Speaker 15: We have actually Charlie's debate with the it's coming. I

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Speaker 15: don't know that we have it yet with the new

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Speaker 15: incoming present president. Yes, so we'll play that before this

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Speaker 15: segment ends. But I mean, give us I don't know,

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Speaker 15: you're just sum it all up, Charlie, England, the UK,

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Speaker 15: free speech, wherever you want to take this, because we

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Speaker 15: have actually we're discussing in the break all these other

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Speaker 15: things we're going to get to, but I think I

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Speaker 15: think we need to put a capstone on this hower.

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Speaker 11: I once made the mistake of asking Charlie what part

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Speaker 11: of the Motherland he was from, his family was from.

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Speaker 11: He said, my surnames Kirk. Where do you think I'm from?

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Speaker 11: I said, yeah, okay, right, he's he's he's proud of

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Speaker 11: his Scottish heritage. He loved Britain, and he had this

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Speaker 11: sort of you know, I think sometimes in our country,

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Speaker 11: we we we got a sense a note of almost

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Speaker 11: kind of a smug contempt from from America's to to

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Speaker 11: what's going on over here. But it's just not true.

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Speaker 11: And I think and Charlie sort of personified that he

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Speaker 11: Charlie was somebody who he loved the country.

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Speaker 7: He was.

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Speaker 11: He was sort of heartbreaking what he saw was happening

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Speaker 11: to it, the fact that it was just losing, you know,

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Speaker 11: that it was no longer the cradle of those founding

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Speaker 11: values that he believed made America great, that that that

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Speaker 11: gave America. It's DNA, and you know, he was so

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Speaker 11: passionate about and not just you know, not just recently.

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Speaker 11: I mean I can't remember when he set up Turning

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Speaker 11: Point UK. I think must have been twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 11: I don't know if he's done that and did that

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Speaker 11: in any other country. I mean, he had a just

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Speaker 11: a you know, fierce desire to to kind of connect

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Speaker 11: that sort of Anglo American axis. And I think it's

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Speaker 11: been pretty successful.

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Speaker 7: Tp UK.

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Speaker 11: They're the ones who organized that visual outside Downing Street.

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Speaker 7: Just had a good social media absolutely right.

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Speaker 11: And so it's something we talked about it a lot

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Speaker 11: actually last month, and you know, how to help you know,

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Speaker 11: ramp it up and how to kind of develop this

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Speaker 11: sort of you know, a youth movement on the right

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Speaker 11: in Britain. And so he was passionate about and I

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Speaker 11: think felt you know, the rights and a little bit

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Speaker 11: of chaos at the moment. In some ways, I think

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Speaker 11: it's kind of fruitful chaos. We talked a lot about it.

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Speaker 11: There's all sorts of emerging movements. There's a lot of

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Speaker 11: vitality now I think on the right, a lot of

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Speaker 11: philosophical energy, a lot of political energy, and you're seeing

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Speaker 11: that now is reflected in the polling.

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Speaker 7: Do you think that reform?

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Speaker 15: Do you think Nigel Faras is the likely next prime

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Speaker 15: minister of things called?

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Speaker 7: Yes?

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Speaker 16: I do.

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Speaker 11: I think he is set to be the next Prime

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Speaker 11: Minister of the United Kingdom. When of the election is

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Speaker 11: going to be held? I think the latest it could

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Speaker 11: be held is August twenty twenty nine. That's a long time.

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Speaker 17: A long way. That's an eternity.

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Speaker 11: That was it Adam Smith who said there's a lot

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Speaker 11: of ruin in a nation. Well, I just don't know

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Speaker 11: how much run there is left in ours with the

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Speaker 11: current government, certainly. But yes, I think if you were

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Speaker 11: the betting markets and the polling would suggest that the

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Speaker 11: Nigera is set.

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Speaker 7: Here's very unpopular, extremely unpopular.

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Speaker 11: Yes, absolutely, I think he's just this week his approval

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Speaker 11: ratings sank to below what I think Boris Johnson had

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Speaker 11: it his very you know, at the the Deer.

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Speaker 7: Exactly, and so it sounds better.

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Speaker 11: There's there's a lot, you know, there's a lot of

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Speaker 11: maneuverings now on the left, which is now fragmenting into

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Speaker 11: the kind of the Rainbow Caucus, the Crescent Caucus, the

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Speaker 11: the star the Old School, the Socialists, and it's it

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Speaker 11: may be that he gets almost very likely that Starmer

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Speaker 11: gets unseated. I mean, we're good at ditching primenisters. Yeah,

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Speaker 11: I was gonna say what triggers it? Well, so we're

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Speaker 11: in parliamentary democracy. So what that means is you've got,

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Speaker 11: you know, the party that can command a majority and

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Speaker 11: command the confidence of the House of Commons is the government.

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Speaker 11: And now Stalm has got a majority in the I

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Speaker 11: think one hundred and fifty four. And so Turkeys don't

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Speaker 11: vote for Christmas, even if the Turkeys really really hate

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Speaker 11: each other. And so it's very likely, very likely that

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Speaker 11: the government will survive in some form till you know,

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Speaker 11: till the end of the electoral cycle. But I suspect

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Speaker 11: Stalm is not going to be that long in Downing

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Speaker 11: Street and one could hope.

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Speaker 15: So Nigel's well positioned by the way, we were going

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Speaker 15: to play sweat pants bro.

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Speaker 7: But I actually like this better.

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Speaker 15: Let's let's play the clip from the UK of Charlie

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Speaker 15: paying you quite the compliment Blake one six two, and.

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Speaker 7: Blake is like the smartest person I know.

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Speaker 17: We're all uny prepared.

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Speaker 7: To like that.

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Speaker 15: Was sorry, I just had to do that for you,

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Speaker 15: you know, Charlie. Charlie was very impressed by Blake's intellect

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Speaker 15: and by your memory, and that was you traveling with

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Speaker 15: your your travel but you guys were international travel buddies

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Speaker 15: at the end.

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Speaker 7: I mean it really, it really was.

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Speaker 11: I picked up on that reverence for Blake dinner in

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Speaker 11: Cambridge and whenever there was this kind of difficult moment,

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Speaker 11: a difficult discussion and we needed some facts to charlieood

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Speaker 11: Ton Ton to his left, say Blake, and he'd always

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Speaker 11: have the answer.

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Speaker 7: Well, it's true.

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Speaker 15: You do have a weird, weirdly photographic memory for history.

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Speaker 15: Maybe it's not photographic, whatever it is, you have a

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Speaker 15: great recall, you have a great reef call. We're gonna

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Speaker 15: we're going to transition an hour or two and we're

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Speaker 15: going to talk about this Jimmy Kimmel controversy, and we're

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Speaker 15: gonna we're gonna start debunking this both sideism with some

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Speaker 15: some actual facts, and uh, I think that's important. We'll

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Speaker 15: be right back with doctor James or don't go anywhere.

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Speaker 18: Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm

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Speaker 18: Terrence Bates.

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Speaker 10: The big story of the day involves this morning shooting

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Speaker 10: at a Dallas ice facility, Investigators saying that at least

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Speaker 10: one victim is dead, two others hurt. Police only confirming

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Speaker 10: though that no law enforcement official was hurt. No confirmation

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Speaker 10: about who the victims are or in what capacity they

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Speaker 10: were at that facility. We also know that a sniper

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Speaker 10: went on a shooting spree from a nearby rooftop and

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Speaker 10: eventually killed himself. The FBI, investigating the attack quote as

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Speaker 10: a targeted violent as an act of targeted violence, saying

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Speaker 10: that some of the bullet casings, like the one you

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Speaker 10: see on your screen, had anti ICE messages on them.

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Speaker 1: Motivated violence is wrong.

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Speaker 9: It was two weeks ago today that we saw a

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Speaker 9: political assassination at Utah that tore the heart out of

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Speaker 9: much of this country. This is the third shooting in

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Speaker 9: Texas directed at ICE or CBP.

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Speaker 1: This must stop.

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Speaker 9: To every politician who is using rhetoric demonizing ICE and

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Speaker 9: demonizing CBP, stop to every politician demanding that ICE agents

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Speaker 9: be docsed and calling for people to go after their families.

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Speaker 9: Stop this has very real consequences.

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Speaker 10: DHS Secretary Christy nom posting this message on AX, writing

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Speaker 10: in part, while we don't know motive yet, we know

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Speaker 10: that our ICE law enforcement is facing unprecedented violence against them.

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Speaker 10: It must stop. Please pray for the victims in their facelies.

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Speaker 10: An FBI search of former National Security Advisor John Bolton's

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Speaker 10: Washington d C office reportedly turned up classified documents. That's

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Speaker 10: the word from a court filing that was released on Tuesday.

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Speaker 10: The documents were reportedly gathered in August and allegedly included

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Speaker 10: materials that reference weapons of mass destruction and records related

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Speaker 10: to the US government Strategic communications. Inventory from the search

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Speaker 10: lists several folds that were labeled confidential in some pages

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Speaker 10: that were marked secret. Similar to the search of Bolton's

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Speaker 10: home in August, agents confiscated computers and other electronic devices

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Speaker 10: as potential evidence. The searches were both conducted as part

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Speaker 10: of three felony investigations for gathering, transmitting, or losing national

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Speaker 10: defense information in violation of the Espionage Act, as well

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Speaker 10: as retaining classified information without permission. Well, it looks like

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Speaker 10: the federal government will be shut down this time next week.

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Speaker 10: While House Republicans passed a continue resolution that would keep

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Speaker 10: government agencies funded until November twenty first, the Senate failed

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Speaker 10: to pass a similar measure and won't return to Washington

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Speaker 10: until right before the deadline to.

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Speaker 17: Pass a funding bill.

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Speaker 10: Plus, President Trump just canceled a meeting with top congressional

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Speaker 10: Democratic leaders to discuss ways to avert a potential government shutdown.

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Speaker 10: Taking the true social the president, writing, I have decided

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Speaker 10: that no meeting with their congressional leaders could possibly be productive.

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Speaker 10: If the shutdown happens, it would mark the fifteenth partial

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Speaker 10: shutdown of federal services since nineteen eighty one. The man

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Speaker 10: who tried to assassinate then presidential candidate Donald Trump while

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Speaker 10: he played golf in Florida tries to stab himself in

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Speaker 10: the neck with the pen after a jury took just

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Speaker 10: two hours to convince him to convict him. Excuse me,

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Speaker 10: These courtroom sketches illustrate just how it all went down.

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Speaker 10: The fifty nine year old was found guilty of attempting

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Speaker 10: to assassinate a major presidential candidate, possessing a firearm in

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Speaker 10: furtherance of a crime, violence, and assaulting a federal officer,

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Speaker 10: among a long list of other charges. He now faces

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Speaker 10: up to life in prison. During a sentence in December eighteenth.

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Speaker 2: Very appreciative of the justice that was given and the

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Speaker 2: way it was handled by Pam Bondi and Todd Blanche

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Speaker 2: and everybody.

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Speaker 18: That it's been and their team of people.

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Speaker 2: It was really well handled, and it's very important.

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Speaker 18: You can't let things like that happen.

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Speaker 2: Nothing to do with me, but a president or even

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Speaker 2: a person.

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Speaker 1: You can't allow that to happen.

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Speaker 2: And so justice was served and we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 10: Prosecutors say, the guy spent weeks plotting the attempted assassination.

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Speaker 10: He lost the case and his freedom after representing himself

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Speaker 10: during the trial, Attorney General Pam Bondi says, the verdict

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Speaker 10: illustrates the Department of Justice's commitment to punishing those who

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Speaker 10: engage in political violence. That's a quick check of your headlines.

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Speaker 10: As always, we appreciate having you along for the ride.

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Speaker 10: Now let's get you back to your regularly scheduled programming.

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Speaker 15: All right, Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. This

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Speaker 15: is Andrew Colvett, your executive producer. I am joined by

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Speaker 15: the great British patriot, doctor James Orr who. It was

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Speaker 15: interesting actually when we hung out in Aspen, there had

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Speaker 15: just been this piece that came out about you calling

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Speaker 15: you the mentor of JD Vance and you are friends

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Speaker 15: with JD.

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Speaker 7: We are friends with JD.

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Speaker 15: He actually hosted this show the Monday after September tenth

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Speaker 15: and was a great honor, great tribute.

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Speaker 7: But you took umbrage with that, didn't you?

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Speaker 15: That framing of things because JD hung out he went

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Speaker 15: on or something with in the cards Wall.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I've known him for a few years. He had

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Speaker 11: a trip to England over August. It was supposed to

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Speaker 11: be a family holiday, but it just took the whole time.

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Speaker 11: He turned into a media circus and he had to

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Speaker 11: cut it short. He did some golf up and up

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Speaker 11: in Scotland, I think, And no, yeah, I took umbradge

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Speaker 11: at the description that this idea that I'm somehow mental

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Speaker 11: to the Vice President the United States is not Drue Toll.

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Speaker 11: I've learnt a great deal more from him than than

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Speaker 11: he's ever learned from me. But the last time I

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Speaker 11: saw him in Washington must have been just a few

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Speaker 11: days before it happened. I think it was about a

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Speaker 11: week before it happened, and I just said, I look,

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Speaker 11: I was out in Arizona and spent some time with

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Speaker 11: Charlie and his team, and it's my goodness, you know

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Speaker 11: you're in You're in good shape for twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 11: That that that machine is going to be is roaring

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Speaker 11: and with energy and enthusiasm.

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Speaker 7: We hope he dives in.

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Speaker 15: I mean every indication would you would think a vice

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Speaker 15: president would be primed for there, But he's very coy

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Speaker 15: about Yes, of course, respectful, and of course we appreciate that.

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Speaker 15: It's it's still the era of Trump and we're into

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Speaker 15: that too.

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Speaker 11: But of course, but yeah, tell us.

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Speaker 7: About your relationship with him. I think that's interesting.

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Speaker 11: Well, we met Gosh, I think, yeah, a few years ago,

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Speaker 11: and I think summer of twenty nineteen. I think it

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Speaker 11: was through mutual friends, and yeah, we hit it off.

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Speaker 11: He was a private citizen at the time. I'd read

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Speaker 11: hill Billy Ellergies when it came out, I think in

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Speaker 11: twenty sixteen. At a textan friend of mine he was

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Speaker 11: end of twenty sixteen, pressed a copy into my hands

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Speaker 11: and said Trump is going to win and this is

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Speaker 11: why you need to read this. And I read it,

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Speaker 11: loved it. So he was on my radar early on,

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Speaker 11: and then had the chance to meet him in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 11: We hit it off. We talked a lot, and not

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Speaker 11: not actually very much about politics at all, though you know,

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Speaker 11: there's a lot of philosophy, talked about faith, talked about theology,

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Speaker 11: and I thought, gosh, this guy is this guy's promising

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Speaker 11: he could be a congressman one day.

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Speaker 7: Congressman.

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Speaker 11: He looks like you've got a bright future.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, everybody.

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Speaker 15: By the way, you know, I usually don't share numbers,

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Speaker 15: but at him hosting Charlie's show, and I hope people

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Speaker 15: understand there's a there's a difference between a million views

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Speaker 15: on YouTube and a different and a million downloads of

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Speaker 15: a podcast.

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Speaker 7: I've never seen a podcast.

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Speaker 17: Just let's just say it's our most downloaded bit.

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Speaker 7: It's the most.

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Speaker 15: Downloaded podcast episode. And I will just say that ever

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Speaker 15: of all time. And JD did such a magnificent job,

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Speaker 15: and I was thinking about that this morning. What he

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Speaker 15: said on his episode when he hosted. He said, yes,

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Speaker 15: we want unity, but first we have to have truth.

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Speaker 15: And I think that is really relevant to something that's

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Speaker 15: happening in our own news cycle right now. And the

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Speaker 15: truth is and I think we're going to discuss both

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Speaker 15: this hour about this, both sides of them.

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Speaker 7: It's a lie.

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Speaker 15: But also Jimmy Kimmel said that, you know, he essentially

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Speaker 15: inferred stated, I think very clearly that the shooter came

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Speaker 15: from MAGA, and that really upset me. Had a trans

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Speaker 15: boyfriend or whatever, however you're supposed to say it. I

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Speaker 15: think that's probably the right way to say that he

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Speaker 15: was into all this weird stuff. He was writing all

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Speaker 15: of all of these notes on these these bullet casings

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Speaker 15: and things like that, and his own parents were worried

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Speaker 15: about his radicalism. And then to go on the air

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Speaker 15: and say, no, actually it was from MAGA. MAGA killed him.

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Speaker 15: What that means to me is that you can lie

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Speaker 15: with impunity, that there is a machinery in place that

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Speaker 15: will defend you. Your life is not important. That I'm

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Speaker 15: free to desecrate you know, your memory because conservative's bad

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Speaker 15: and what you had it coming and more. Should you know,

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Speaker 15: it's basically a license to say we're going to support

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Speaker 15: you guys if you guys go do this stuff out

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Speaker 15: in the out in the real world, and that's not okay.

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Speaker 7: And so we have.

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Speaker 15: Clips Blake, I don't know which clip it is, the

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Speaker 15: Jimmy Kimmel in response to the back last year received, Yeah,

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Speaker 15: we can just play one of these. I mean, it

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Speaker 15: doesn't matter.

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Speaker 19: Uh, I don't think what I have to say is

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Speaker 19: going to make much of a difference.

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Speaker 1: If you like me, you like me.

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Speaker 17: If you don't, you don't.

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Speaker 19: I have no illusions about changing anyone's mind, but I

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Speaker 19: do want to make something clear because it's important to

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Speaker 19: me as a human, and that is you understand that

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Speaker 19: it was never my intention to make light of the

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Speaker 19: murder of a young man.

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Speaker 11: I don't. I don't think there's anything funny about it.

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Speaker 19: I posted a message on Instagram and the day he

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Speaker 19: was killed, sending love to his family and asking for compassion,

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Speaker 19: and I meant it.

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Speaker 7: I still do.

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Speaker 19: Nor was it my intention to blame any specific group

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Speaker 19: for the actions of what it was obviously a deeply

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Speaker 19: disturbed individual that was really the opposite.

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Speaker 7: Of the point I was trying to make.

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Speaker 19: But I understand that to some that felt either ill

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Speaker 19: timed or unclear, or maybe both. And for those who

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Speaker 19: think I did point a finger, I get why you're upset.

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Speaker 19: If the situation was reversed, there's a good chance I'd

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Speaker 19: have felt the same way.

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Speaker 15: So what I'm lacking there is that I'm sorry, I lied,

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Speaker 15: I misrepresented the nature of who the shooter was.

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Speaker 7: I'm sorry. I will do better.

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Speaker 15: My sincerest apologies to Erica Kirk into the Kirk family

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Speaker 15: and James. You're a Christian, Explain the difference between what

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Speaker 15: he did sort of parsing words, never kind of owning it.

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Speaker 15: It was sort of I'm sorry if you were offended,

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Speaker 15: Explain what a Christian, what Christian contrition looks like, what

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Speaker 15: it looks like in scripture historically, what it means, and

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Speaker 15: what that was lacking.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, look, I I could hear some contrition

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Speaker 11: in his in his voice, as he is clearly emotional.

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Speaker 11: Whether the emotions is being driven by what had happened

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Speaker 11: to him, you know the fact that is his career

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Speaker 11: looked like it was on the precipice. I don't know.

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Speaker 11: I mean I think, you know, true contrition expresses itself

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Speaker 11: in actions, and you know, I detected sort of a

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Speaker 11: hint to the politician's apology, there is deeply, deeply sorry

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Speaker 11: that that that offense has been caused. But you know, repentance.

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Speaker 11: You know, the Greek the New Testament is metanoia, which

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Speaker 11: means a complete transformation of one's mind, of one's intellect,

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Speaker 11: one's understanding, one's heart. And you know, the Latin translation,

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Speaker 11: I think is pinetaiminy, which is kind of not just repentance,

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Speaker 11: but do penance. And there's a lot of debate about

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Speaker 11: that in the Reformation, about you know, his sort of

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Speaker 11: repentance is something not just of the heart.

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Speaker 7: But you've got to do it.

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Speaker 11: You've got to do stuff that shows that that is

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Speaker 11: going to the outward working, the outward expression of inner

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Speaker 11: contrition within within, within one's heart. And I don't know, Look,

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Speaker 11: I don't have a window into into men's souls. I

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Speaker 11: don't have a window into Jimmy Kimmel's soul. I just

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Speaker 11: hope that that this, this this incident, this whole sorry sagas,

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Speaker 11: has has made the left, has made the kind of

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Speaker 11: American liberals think a lot, a lot harder about the

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Speaker 11: language that they're using, and and just and just being

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Speaker 11: aware that that you know, spinning the kind of conspiracy

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Speaker 11: theories that are completely fact free, as seems to be

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Speaker 11: the case with this extraordinary charge that the killer was

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Speaker 11: motivated by by but was part of the MAGA movement,

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Speaker 11: just simply absurd, not a shred of evidence for it.

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Speaker 11: And I just hope that this will give them, you know,

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Speaker 11: pause for thought, and that they'll just slow things down.

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Speaker 11: And yeah, I mean, you know, we just they cannot

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Speaker 11: be civil discourse if it's you know, if one side

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Speaker 11: is constantly paying the consequences for uh uh, you know,

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Speaker 11: indiscreete speech or or violent rhetoric, on the other side

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Speaker 11: effectively gets a free pass and U And that seems

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Speaker 11: to be what's what's happening just not just in America,

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Speaker 11: but all across the landscape of Western Western culture, Western politics.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: Well, and I mean, like, I don't you have kind

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Speaker 15: of a contrarian take here because you think this we

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Speaker 15: should just sort of move on from this topic.

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Speaker 7: I want the I want more.

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Speaker 8: Well, so, I what's frustrated me about it is they

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Speaker 8: went and do to sort of how unfolded we allowed

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Speaker 8: it to become that like Jimmy Kimmel was this free

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Speaker 8: speech martyr against like, you know, because we had Brendan

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Speaker 8: Carr at the FCC.

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Speaker 17: He stepped out and he basically said.

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Speaker 8: You better take him off the air or we're going

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Speaker 8: to like investigate ABC and Disney and they're going to

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Speaker 8: have to answer for all these things. And you took

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Speaker 8: what it should have been, which is Jimmy Kimmel said

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Speaker 8: something disgusting and there was there really was this big

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Speaker 8: organic anger against them, and that got tamped down and

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Speaker 8: it turned into, oh, this guy in the Trump administration

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Speaker 8: is silencing Jimmy Kimmel, who is also lame and not funny.

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Speaker 8: And it took something that was good and it changed

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Speaker 8: it and it also colored and unfortunately what we also saw,

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Speaker 8: which was the very organic anger against all the other

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Speaker 8: people who said disgusting things.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I want to keep talking about that. We'll do

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Speaker 7: it in the break quick break on radio. We'll be

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Speaker 7: right back.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, keep going with that though, Blake, And I mean

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Speaker 15: I know there was I will say one of the

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Speaker 15: things that I noticed, and you saw this with the

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Speaker 15: Pam Bondy, I think I think it was a misspeak

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Speaker 15: on Pambondi's behalf because she kind of clarified her point

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Speaker 15: after she was she was talking about incitement.

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Speaker 7: She meant to get to incitement.

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Speaker 17: She said, hate was so frustrating.

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Speaker 15: But I would just say there was a lot of

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Speaker 15: voices that on the right that said, we don't agree

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Speaker 15: with the.

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Speaker 7: Way she said that.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, that was also frustrating.

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Speaker 7: It's not Charlie's peel.

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Speaker 8: We've had to do it now, We've had to endure

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Speaker 8: all this stupid, nasty, fake stuff on the left. We're like, oh,

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Speaker 8: the left, the right doesn't care about free speech at all.

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Speaker 8: They want to crack down. No, the backlash to Bondi

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Speaker 8: saying the hate speech thing was immediate. It was basically

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Speaker 8: on the ranomous. It was dial this back right now,

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Speaker 8: and she did, thankfully. But it is a similar It

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Speaker 8: was a similar issue here where I think there is

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Speaker 8: a huge amount of genuine backlash to what Kimmel did.

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Speaker 17: I think he probably would have got and suspended.

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Speaker 8: In fact, we got reporting from the Wall Street Journal

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Speaker 8: and others that suggested he was going to be suspended

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Speaker 8: at minimum even without what car said.

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Speaker 17: And I think it put.

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Speaker 8: The wrong color on it that there was that kind

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Speaker 8: of overt threat and then the way he was If

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Speaker 8: you go to Car's Twitter account, he's like posting all

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Speaker 8: these memes and just like bragging about what he did.

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Speaker 8: And I understand the impulse. It is a way, there

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Speaker 8: is an element where the Trump movement made the movement

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Speaker 8: more assertive, more you know, more bragging.

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Speaker 17: And we've seen it. We've seen it with like.

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Speaker 8: The Ice stuff, where they're like, we're deporting people and

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Speaker 8: here's a meme of this person who is also a

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Speaker 8: you know, a child predator getting deported. And it's great

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Speaker 8: and people have liked that, but you do have to

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Speaker 8: be careful because we do want to make sure that

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Speaker 8: this is about that, you know, Charlie, who is a

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Speaker 8: martyr for free speech, a martyr for Christianity, and we

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Speaker 8: don't want that to turn into Charlie is ever considered

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Speaker 8: some sort of like justification for an anti speech.

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Speaker 15: Charlie would reject that, by the way completely. He was

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Speaker 15: basically a free speech absolutist. I mean I think I

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Speaker 15: say basically because you know, I'm just hedging in my mind,

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Speaker 15: maybe some sort of incitement he would draw a line at.

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Speaker 15: But you know, he believed in ugly speech. He believed

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Speaker 15: in vile speech. He believed in the freedom to say

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Speaker 15: evil things. I mean that does cross the line into incitement,

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Speaker 15: which which is illegal when you're calling for violence for somebody.

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Speaker 7: But I mean I struggle with asking the question.

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Speaker 15: You know, when we think about some of these ugly

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Speaker 15: reactions people celebrating. You think about the Oxford kid, sweatpants,

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Speaker 15: sweatpants bro, you know, where you're celebrating the murder of somebody.

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Speaker 15: Is that not incitement in a way?

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Speaker 7: I think.

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Speaker 15: I think the spirit is certainly the same. Legally, the

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Speaker 15: barrier I've you know, is different.

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Speaker 8: So one of the things that makes American free speech

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Speaker 8: so exceptional even compared to other Western nations, is we

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Speaker 8: have kind of the Brandenburg standard over speech. It is

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Speaker 8: a Supreme Court case, and it's basically like it is,

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Speaker 8: in fact, only incitement if you are directly calling for

1224
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Speaker 8: some criminal act and like in.

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Speaker 17: A specific way.

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Speaker 8: So if someone were to say someone should go to

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Speaker 8: the Utah Valley event and shoot Charlie Kirk, that is incitement.

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Speaker 8: But even saying someone should shoot Charlie Kirk isn't by itself,

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Speaker 8: And you know that lead that enables a lot of

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Speaker 8: ugly speech, as Charlie himself said, I think he has

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Speaker 8: a tweet where he says like there is ugly speech,

1232
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Speaker 8: there is deranged us, but there.

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Speaker 17: Is not hate speech.

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Speaker 8: And the thing with incitement, what's good about that strict

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Speaker 8: standard is that gives us So it means that an

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Speaker 8: authoritarian government like the Biden administration has so little ground

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Speaker 8: to come out and say and the left loves to

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Speaker 8: do this where oh this thing you said, you know

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Speaker 8: that was actually inciting hate against migrants, that was inciting

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Speaker 8: hate against trans people, that was inciting hate against minorities,

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Speaker 8: just because you say, oh I don't want more immigration.

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Speaker 17: And certainly doctor or can tell us all.

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Speaker 8: About how that's been abused in the UK next which

1244
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Speaker 8: they'll claim they'll claim that's a free speech country, but

1245
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Speaker 8: not but.

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Speaker 15: That that this this is the distinction, and I think

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Speaker 15: it's really important for us to remain morally very clear

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Speaker 15: on this. I what I was trying to say was

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Speaker 15: that celebrating and it is in the say it is

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Speaker 15: from the same demonic spirit that I think somebody would

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Speaker 15: you know, this incitement legal. So I'm talking there's two distinctions.

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Speaker 15: There's almost like the demonic spirit that I would call

1253
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Speaker 15: it versus a legal standard. And I'm not conflating the two.

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Speaker 15: I'm saying to you know, if you're gonna, if you're

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Speaker 15: going to celebrate that, certainly maybe you didn't break a law,

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Speaker 15: but you are, you are participating in the same demonism.

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Speaker 15: And I would just say I am not fully internalized

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Speaker 15: that other than to say that may you live a

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Speaker 15: life so remarkable, so courageous and so true that the

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Speaker 15: demons celebrate when you die, and may your enemies your

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Speaker 15: enemies celebrate because that means you have done something, you

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Speaker 15: have been so extraordinary that you live around free in

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Speaker 15: their heads. And they know not. They don't know anything

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Speaker 15: else to do other than to say, you know, thank goodness,

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Speaker 15: that extraordinarily effective person is off the board.

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Speaker 7: And and but you know and so and so.

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Speaker 15: In care of Guard's words, that's really just the beginning

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Speaker 15: when when a martyr dies. And so we're gonna welcome

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Speaker 15: back radio. We'll be right back in just one second.

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Speaker 15: The Doctor or Charlie, was a free speech absolutist, and

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Speaker 15: one of the themes of his trip to the UK

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Speaker 15: was about this issue of free speech. We've heard that

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Speaker 15: in the UK it's thirty arrests are made to day

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Speaker 15: for people criticizing immigration. Basically just this see of human

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Speaker 15: and you know, we have a ton of immigration into

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Speaker 15: this country, which is one of you know, my pet

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Speaker 15: projects is to limit that. But we also have a

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Speaker 15: country that's much larger, and you it sort of can

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Speaker 15: absorb the visceral feel, the visual feel of it can

1280
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Speaker 15: absorb it a little bit differently than the UK, which

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Speaker 15: is remind me, what are you sixty eighty million?

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Speaker 7: I can't remember.

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Speaker 15: So if you have a couple of million migrants come

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Speaker 15: into the UK, I mean, it's instantly, very visible, it's

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Speaker 15: very it impacts the daily life of a lot of

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Speaker 15: Britains really quickly. Tell us about the state of free

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Speaker 15: speech in your country. Did did this one hundred thousand

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Speaker 15: person march push back against that?

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Speaker 7: Was that a theme of it? Explain?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, sure, well of course, you know, just go

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Speaker 11: back to your earlier conversation. We don't have anything alike

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Speaker 11: the sort of sort of you know, the jurisprudence that's

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Speaker 11: built up around the First Amendment of you know, over

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Speaker 11: the last one hundred hundred and fifty years. But I

1295
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Speaker 11: think up until you know the end of the end

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Speaker 11: of the last century, there was no sense that there

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Speaker 11: was a kind of you know, there were speech problems

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Speaker 11: in Britain. It's really been the last twenty five years,

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Speaker 11: I think, you know, intensifying in the last ten to

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Speaker 11: fifteen and I don't think there's any real doubt that

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Speaker 11: it is connected to the rapid demographic change at scale

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Speaker 11: that we've witnessed in the last twenty five years, but

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Speaker 11: particularly in the last five to ten years. And what

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Speaker 11: happens there, I think is that the sort of sense

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Speaker 11: of a kind of high trust society, a moral community

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Speaker 11: that is basically shares the same universe of norms and

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Speaker 11: standards of speech, that kind of gets fragmented and silos

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Speaker 11: begin to open up and there's really just a dialogue

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Speaker 11: of the death between you know, different blocks within different

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Speaker 11: demographic blocks, and so sort of that sense of being

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Speaker 11: a you know, in a shared enterprise is starting to

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Speaker 11: kind of unravel. And what happens there is the state

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Speaker 11: increasingly has to police these fragile boundaries between these different

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Speaker 11: these different silos, and that's what we've seen in the

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Speaker 11: last ten to fifteen years. We've seen it under a

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Speaker 11: labor government, left wing government, we've seen it under conservative government.

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Speaker 11: The last Conservative government government brought in something called an

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Speaker 11: Orwellian phrase, non crime hate incidents, where police can record

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Speaker 11: your name, whether it's they accept that no crime has

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Speaker 11: been committed, that you're exercising lawful free speech, but they

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Speaker 11: make a note of it. It goes on your record.

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Speaker 11: Until recently, I think that was your on your record forever.

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Speaker 15: Now it's just this database the state that the LEVA

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Speaker 15: then is just collecting this.

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Speaker 17: That's right.

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Speaker 11: The police, you know, they are policing tweets, not streets,

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Speaker 11: and it's it's getting it is getting worse.

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Speaker 7: Nigel Fix Prime Minister.

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Speaker 11: Well, I think one of the central focuses, one of

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Speaker 11: the kind of guiding one of the north stars of

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Speaker 11: the reform sort of philosophy and policy agenda is without

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Speaker 11: question free speech. So there's a lot of debates I

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Speaker 11: think internally as to what that's going to look like.

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Speaker 15: Isn't that just I mean, isn't that just politics? I

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Speaker 15: want fewer immigrants in my country.

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Speaker 11: M yes, so look you're not going to get well,

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Speaker 11: you may well get a knock on the door if

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Speaker 11: you say that in the wrong way online. I mean,

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Speaker 11: it wouldn't wouldn't surprise me. But yes, I think that

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Speaker 11: there's you know, there's this thing about this, this sort

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Speaker 11: of dominant left wing orthodoxy is become this sort of

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Speaker 11: you know, the become the moral universe.

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Speaker 15: It's like a pure puritanical like a purity is poetry

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Speaker 15: exactly right, So that any dissent, you know, as I

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Speaker 15: said earlier, is any wrong think is is evil think.

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Speaker 11: You know, it's something that that that is, that is

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Speaker 11: you know, you've got to demonize. So it's it's it's

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Speaker 11: this old point that made it many it's you know,

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Speaker 11: on the left, the idea is that you're not just wrong,

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Speaker 11: you're morally wrong. And on the right, you know, okay,

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Speaker 11: maybe it's not always the case, but I think generally speaking,

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Speaker 11: on the right, we do just think that, you know,

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Speaker 11: the left, honestly and sincerely mistaken, we don't. There isn't

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Speaker 11: the same rhetoric, widespread rhetoric of demonizing and at which

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Speaker 11: and a kind of name calling that Okay, maybe it's

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Speaker 11: not direct causal incitement, maybe it doesn't meet the Brandenburg standard,

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Speaker 11: but it's certainly I think shifting the conditions. It's laying

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Speaker 11: down the enabling conditions for violence. If you call somebody,

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Speaker 11: you know, public figure Hitler fascist often enough, then you

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Speaker 11: shouldn't be surprising that that crazy people will want all

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Speaker 11: do violence against them.

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Speaker 8: It's one of the most frustrating things where we've had.

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Speaker 8: The left is certainly pushed in the last couple of

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Speaker 8: weeks to try to argue actually, like there's more right

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Speaker 8: wing violence than left and one it's false and we'll

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Speaker 8: get into that and the rest of the show. But

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Speaker 8: I'm just I'm looking at these tweets. Matt Iglesias that

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Speaker 8: like fat guy from Vox, he was like people reminded

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Speaker 8: him themselves of things he said while ago, I'll read

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Speaker 8: this one quick and we can go back into it.

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Speaker 8: But he said it was when Tucker Carlson got harassed

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Speaker 8: at his home in like twenty seventeen or twenty eight eighteen.

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Speaker 8: People were trying to like kick in his door, basically

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Speaker 8: like terrorizing his house, and he was saying, I'll read

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Speaker 8: the full tweets later, but he was basically saying this

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Speaker 8: is a good thing, like you should do this to

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Speaker 8: right wing people. And now he's going to come out

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Speaker 8: and be like, oh, I oppose violence against the right. No,

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Speaker 8: you just are trying to read the wins.

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Speaker 15: Matt dehumanization, otherization. We have a little bit of a

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Speaker 15: surprise coming. Don't go anywhere.

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Speaker 10: Terrence Bates here with your Real America's Voice News Break.

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Speaker 10: Let's take you to the White House where it looks

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Speaker 10: like Ben Carson is standing by. Let's listen and see

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Speaker 10: what's being talked about here.

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Speaker 20: For this country and leading this country. And so that

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Speaker 20: was just another step. We have the dietary guidelines coming

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Speaker 20: out very soon. Doctor Carson's going to play a major

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Speaker 20: role in that. Will have a very big announcement, most

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Speaker 20: likely next month, but there will be a fundamental shift

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Speaker 20: in the way that we are suggesting, and ultimately the

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Speaker 20: DGAs drive a lot of the government nutrition program. So

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Speaker 20: that's coming soon. Stay tuned. Amongst other things. Listen. What

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Speaker 20: the question was about was the hunger survey that USDA

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Speaker 20: canceled recently. Our research showed by it's not statutory, no

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Speaker 20: one was asking us to do it. There are a

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Speaker 20: lot of other good reports that are out there that

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Speaker 20: better capture the question. This specific survey had been used

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Speaker 20: for years, we believe incorrectly to make the case that

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Speaker 20: under the last administration, spending in snap increased I don't

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Speaker 20: know forty to fifty percent, but even that survey showed

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Speaker 20: the hunger in America only increasing three percent, but it

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Speaker 20: continued to be used as a driver. We just felt,

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Speaker 20: and the White House agreed that it was one more

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Speaker 20: waste of taxpayer dollars not being used appropriately. We believe

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Speaker 20: at USDA and with our other counterparts across the government,

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Speaker 20: HHS and others, there are many many other surveys collecting

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Speaker 20: that data.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, on that question, other survey will work.

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Speaker 20: Well, yes, no, there are other surveys at USTA, I

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Speaker 20: don't have the name, but we'll get that to you

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Speaker 20: and then across AHHS and also several of the other

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Speaker 20: agencies as well, so we'll make sure and send that

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Speaker 20: your way. We will not be creating a new one,

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Speaker 20: just making sure that the ones that our used are

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Speaker 20: the most appropriate. We'll do one more question, y'all, just as.

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Speaker 13: A fellow up to that.

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Speaker 20: Do you have any updates on how your is rolling

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Speaker 20: out the changes to work repliments full snap the We

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Speaker 20: are working on that right now. Obviously, work requirements were

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Speaker 20: an important part of the One Big, Beautiful Bill and

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Speaker 20: ensuring that every tax payer dollar was being spent in

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Speaker 20: its highest and best use, and so there's been a

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Speaker 20: lot of narrative around the work requirements. What I will

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Speaker 20: say is those work requirements that were included were for

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Speaker 20: able bodied adults that could work, that didn't have children

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Speaker 20: under the age of thirteen or fourteen. So we'll continue

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Speaker 20: to build on that in partnership with the States. Of course,

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Speaker 20: they're the laboratories of democracy, and more announcements on that

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Speaker 20: are forthcoming. We'll do one more go ahead, Dada, thank

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Speaker 20: you so much.

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Speaker 13: Second, great, Oh, when do you guys plan to make

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Speaker 13: a decision on farmer relief?

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Speaker 20: So the farmer relief is continuing. I've had a lot

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Speaker 20: of conversations with you guys here in the gaggle on

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Speaker 20: that over the last six months. Obviously based on a

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Speaker 20: couple of very unprecedented factors. In the last number of years,

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Speaker 20: the farmers only five percent have made money over the

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Speaker 20: last decade, five percent. It is a continuing struggle in

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Speaker 20: this farm economy. In the last administration, of course, we

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Speaker 20: had the cost of inputs go up on average twenty

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Speaker 20: five percent, but even more than that, fertilizer increased thirty

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Speaker 20: six percent, fuel increased twenty eight percent, seeds increased thirty

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Speaker 20: five percent. Interest rates for our farmers. By the way,

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Speaker 20: if you're a farmer, you were lie on the bank

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Speaker 20: to get your harvest harvested and your next crop planted.

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Speaker 20: Those went up almost seventy three percent under the last administration.

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Speaker 20: At the same time, we had a trade deficit of

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Speaker 20: fifty billion dollars in agriculture just under Biden. We went

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Speaker 20: from a surplus and Trump one to a massive deficit

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Speaker 20: under Biden. So that, alongside, of course the President's effort

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Speaker 20: to realign America around American products and making all of

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Speaker 20: these new deals, we are at a point where we're

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Speaker 20: looking at the harvest, where we're looking at our soybean, corn, wheat, sorghum,

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Speaker 20: cotton farmers who were facing very, very difficult times. We

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Speaker 20: are currently in conversations here at the White House across

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Speaker 20: the government on a farmer aid package in our current

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Speaker 20: programming right now, we've got about thirteen billion dollars moving

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Speaker 20: out under ECAP, which is our old farmer payment system,

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Speaker 20: based on losses from last year and the year before.

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Speaker 20: So this would be in addition to that. In partnership

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Speaker 20: with our colleagues on the Hill, we should have an

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Speaker 20: announcement very soon, perhaps in the next couple of weeks before. Yeah,

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Speaker 20: what about the President's prayer initiative for the two hundred

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Speaker 20: and fiftieth of America.

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Speaker 7: That's a beautiful thing to end on.

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Speaker 6: You.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, why don't we end on that, because that's a

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Speaker 20: great way to end. We were just talking about this

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Speaker 20: in the last administration. Obviously, faith and religious liberty and

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Speaker 20: working for a higher power, for God, for Jesus has

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Speaker 20: always been a driver for so many of us in

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Speaker 20: President Trump's administration, but we believe that even now it's

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Speaker 20: even more of a driver, and you saw that with

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Speaker 20: Charlie's memorial on Sunday. We all just believe we're called

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Speaker 20: for a time such as this. We believe that we're

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Speaker 20: fighting for the soul of America, but also fighting for

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Speaker 20: what's good and right, fighting for our God. And so

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Speaker 20: this President's next step of having prayer and services as

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Speaker 20: a part of that as we celebrate America at two fifty.

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Speaker 20: I'm just so proud to be a part of this

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Speaker 20: team every single day.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And we are complex beings. We're not just the

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Speaker 3: physical aspect. It's the mental aspect and the spiritual aspect

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Speaker 3: that makes us different from other creatures. And we need

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Speaker 3: to recognize that in all of our policies. And remember

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Speaker 3: that America didn't become great by accident. It was because

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Speaker 3: of the policies, the Judeo Christian values that we live by.

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Speaker 3: And look what's happened as we begin to throw those

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Speaker 3: things away instead of love your neighbor, cancel your neighbor.

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Speaker 3: Those are our good things. So it's good to have

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Speaker 3: a government that actually realizes that. And I think we

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Speaker 3: will be realizing many blessings when we can continue to

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Speaker 3: move down the right pathway perfect.

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Speaker 20: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 13: Thank you everybody.

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Speaker 10: You were listening to Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rowlins along with

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Speaker 10: former Secretary of Housing and Urban Development doctor Ben Carsisp

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Speaker 10: outside the White House. We of course will have continuing

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Speaker 10: coverage throughout the day here on Real America's Voice. But

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Speaker 10: for now, let's get you back to the Charlie Kirkshaw.

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Speaker 21: Do not allow the signs of the times for you

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Speaker 21: to be paralyzed, static, to not engage in the culture.

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Speaker 21: We must challenge people to be greater, to reach higher,

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Speaker 21: to be biblical, to be christ Like. And I'm telling

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Speaker 21: you this generation cannot just be the most conservative generation.

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Speaker 21: For the most Christian generation as we continue to be

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Speaker 21: salt and light in every single walk of our life.

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Speaker 11: Oh amen, extraordinary, I mean just going. I find it

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Speaker 11: difficult to look at old footage, and you know, I've

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Speaker 11: tried to just screen it all out because it's makes

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Speaker 11: me too emotional. But he had this extraordinary gift to

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Speaker 11: talk about faith in a way that was just so

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Speaker 11: accessible to It just grounded everything he said, all of

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Speaker 11: the politics, all of the sort of neurologic issues in

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Speaker 11: this kind of non negotiable you know, moral foundation, and

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Speaker 11: there was just such authenticity and sincerity there. And I said, it's,

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Speaker 11: you know, something that that the right really needs to

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01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:14,840
Speaker 11: remember that you got to be anchored in clear moral foundations.

1520
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:16,599
Speaker 11: And I think, you know, without faith and without that

1521
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 11: sort of you know, without that framing that Charlie was

1522
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:25,200
Speaker 11: always so insistent on, it unravels. It unravels, and we

1523
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 11: get towards a sort of you know, nietzsche nihilism or

1524
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 11: actual racism. And it's just amazing to just to be

1525
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 11: reminded of what he was like in full flight. And

1526
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 11: I've never never seen him using notes, never seen him

1527
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 11: reading from a speech, but just extraordinary fluency and extraordinary

1528
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:48,120
Speaker 11: sort of I think just just raw rhetorical flair for

1529
01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:49,679
Speaker 11: someone that young.

1530
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 15: The story of how Charlie was discovered is I think

1531
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:57,120
Speaker 15: very telling and actually something that Ben Shapiro because he

1532
01:24:57,160 --> 01:25:00,040
Speaker 15: had come in on the Tuesday after it happened, and

1533
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:02,719
Speaker 15: he said, you know, Charlie wasn't charismatic at the beginning.

1534
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 15: And Ben said wonderful things about Charlie. Please don't take

1535
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 15: this the wrong way, but it's actually a bit of

1536
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:13,320
Speaker 15: the opposite of that. He was gifted from God without

1537
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 15: any training with this rhetorical flare. And the story was

1538
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 15: that Bill Montgomery was at some sort of tea party

1539
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 15: rally and Charlie was eighteen, and he was going to

1540
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 15: be one of the speakers because he had, I think

1541
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:30,600
Speaker 15: gains a little bit of local notoriety for organizing, so

1542
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:32,639
Speaker 15: they invited him to be one of the speakers eighteen

1543
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 15: years old. And the story that was conveyed to me

1544
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 15: is everybody's asleep. This was actually Bill told me a

1545
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 15: story actually many years ago. He said, everybody's kind of

1546
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:45,120
Speaker 15: sleep and dazed and bored. And then all of a sudden,

1547
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:48,559
Speaker 15: Charlie took the stage and Bill said it was like

1548
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:50,599
Speaker 15: he looked at everybody in the audience. All of a sudden,

1549
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 15: Charlie starts speaking, and everybody goes head up, ears perk up,

1550
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 15: because Charlie just had this way of his words would

1551
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:02,360
Speaker 15: pierce like they would pierce your your your mind and

1552
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 15: your heart. And I think this is he he was.

1553
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 15: His moral clarity was so strong that he did he

1554
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 15: was sort of like a dividing line. Like his words

1555
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 15: were a sword, and they were they were sharp, and

1556
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:16,720
Speaker 15: they would cut through and it would force you to

1557
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 15: pick aside when he didn't leave you any ground to

1558
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:22,760
Speaker 15: sort of remain in the mushy middle. He would say

1559
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:24,800
Speaker 15: things so and and he took a lot of flak

1560
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:26,400
Speaker 15: for that. He took a lot of heat, took a

1561
01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 15: lot of slings and arrows because he was so morally clear,

1562
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:33,600
Speaker 15: and he would say it with such force that you

1563
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:37,400
Speaker 15: had to sort of wake up and perk up Outviously,

1564
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 15: I actually forgot that. Bill told me that was the

1565
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 15: first time I ever met Bill Montgomery. And may he

1566
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:45,760
Speaker 15: rest in peace. He died in twenty twenty, But you

1567
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 15: know that was that's that was Charlie from the start.

1568
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 11: It's easy to think, you know, obviously, off to twenty sixteen,

1569
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:53,479
Speaker 11: on both sides at the Atlantic. You know, there was

1570
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:55,840
Speaker 11: you know that there are many, many more people are

1571
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 11: coming through, and the sort of the new media imaged

1572
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:00,720
Speaker 11: you know, you usked, you know, started to see a

1573
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:04,240
Speaker 11: lot of incredible conservative voices coming through. But Charlie at eighteen,

1574
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 11: this is we're talking the Obama years, this is the

1575
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 11: early twenty tens, when it was extremely costly and very

1576
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:14,080
Speaker 11: rare for people of any age to be coming out that,

1577
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 11: you know, to have that kind of trenchant, clear moral

1578
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 11: horizon and that clarity, it's just just remarkable. And it

1579
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 11: must have been you know, Kirk Contramundum in twenty twelve,

1580
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:28,839
Speaker 11: and I can't you know, I wasn't tracking American politics

1581
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:30,760
Speaker 11: that closely back then, but you know, I would have

1582
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 11: thought within the GOP that would have been very unusual.

1583
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 11: And he was I don't know what sustained I don't

1584
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 11: know where he got it from.

1585
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 15: You know, yeah, it was straight from God. I mean

1586
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:44,360
Speaker 15: that God had a plan from Charlie's for his whole life.

1587
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 15: But that eighteen to thirty one.

1588
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 11: Charisma like that's difficult to.

1589
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 15: Explaining so much into it, and you saw it up

1590
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:53,160
Speaker 15: close in those last trips, but he his schedule was

1591
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:57,080
Speaker 15: truly to manage that schedule that he kept, especially at

1592
01:27:57,080 --> 01:28:01,360
Speaker 15: our conferences. It was booked from six to the time

1593
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 15: he put his head down on the pillow. It was

1594
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 15: truly remarkable how much he disciplined it took. And I

1595
01:28:07,439 --> 01:28:09,680
Speaker 15: want to say, you talk about his fluency, and this

1596
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:12,519
Speaker 15: is something that Blake and I talked about. Actually had

1597
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 15: a line in my speech at his moor and I

1598
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:17,519
Speaker 15: cut it just for time. But this show was his

1599
01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:21,439
Speaker 15: was how he got battle ready. And everybody kind of

1600
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:24,479
Speaker 15: reflects that Charlie leveled up over the years. And really,

1601
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:26,639
Speaker 15: and I do think it was the show because every

1602
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 15: day he was forced to come on the show and

1603
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:31,599
Speaker 15: defend his values or his political takes or how he

1604
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:33,760
Speaker 15: was reflecting on the current news of the day. And

1605
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 15: it just gave him repetitions, repetitions, repetitions. And originally the

1606
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:39,360
Speaker 15: show was a three hour show, so he was doing

1607
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 15: a three hour show. We didn't move to a two

1608
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 15: hour show until January of this year, which was really

1609
01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:46,559
Speaker 15: wonderful for his schedule because he could get more done.

1610
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:49,720
Speaker 15: But it did really make him battle ready and some

1611
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:52,640
Speaker 15: of the arguments we'd have before show, I mean, it

1612
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 15: was that was really special moments, right, Blake. I mean

1613
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 15: it was your line battle ready, which you're aligned, So

1614
01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:02,320
Speaker 15: I was trying to give you credit for it, and

1615
01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 15: it was a good line. But so we do have

1616
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 15: a potential surprise coming for you. Somebody might be joining us.

1617
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:13,599
Speaker 15: I don't want to flag it unless it ends up happening,

1618
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 15: out of respect, but nevertheless, I really hope it happens

1619
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:19,599
Speaker 15: because it would be it would I think it would

1620
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:21,559
Speaker 15: be a really a really sweet moment if we can

1621
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:25,599
Speaker 15: do it. In lieu of that, however, Blake, let's talk

1622
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:28,120
Speaker 15: about both sides ism, Yes, let's do that. Are both

1623
01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 15: sides equally guilty of political violence?

1624
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 8: So this is we've seen this a ton in the past,

1625
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 8: well since this happened.

1626
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:36,880
Speaker 17: So this came out.

1627
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:41,720
Speaker 8: It was obviously the most spectacular, the most damaging assassination

1628
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:47,280
Speaker 8: in the US since RFK probably fifty years ago and

1629
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:49,280
Speaker 8: actually almost sixty years ago now.

1630
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:51,639
Speaker 17: And so it's been.

1631
01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:55,680
Speaker 8: And so people are like, well, this fits into you know,

1632
01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:57,920
Speaker 8: and it came right after, you know, there was this

1633
01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:01,880
Speaker 8: apparently racially motivated stabbing on that bust in Charlotte, and

1634
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:03,519
Speaker 8: people are saying, Okay, there's a lot of left wing

1635
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:07,760
Speaker 8: violence out there, and so these experts trotted out with

1636
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:10,559
Speaker 8: some charts that were in the Economist or in CATO

1637
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:13,920
Speaker 8: or whatever, where they're like, actually, actually, left wing violence

1638
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:16,200
Speaker 8: isn't common. It's right wing violence that's way more common.

1639
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 8: I even heard that, yeah, they have DHS. You know,

1640
01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:22,840
Speaker 8: DHS was made that a huge priority under Biden. They

1641
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:24,960
Speaker 8: always like to make it a priority because you know,

1642
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:26,960
Speaker 8: that's who works at a lot of d who.

1643
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 17: Was doing a lot of that work at DHS or

1644
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:28,960
Speaker 17: at the FBI.

1645
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:33,000
Speaker 8: You know, remember when they were investigating pro life like

1646
01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:35,759
Speaker 8: Catholic churches because this was going to be this terrorist nexus.

1647
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:38,479
Speaker 8: And so finally people are saying, you know what, let's

1648
01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:40,720
Speaker 8: actually look at the numbers. What is what is the

1649
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:43,599
Speaker 8: real deal with these numbers, because they're just getting pushed.

1650
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 8: And so one of these studies that went really popular,

1651
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:49,280
Speaker 8: it was literally just compiled by an Antifa person, and

1652
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:52,599
Speaker 8: Antifa person made a study of what was more common

1653
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 8: left or right wing, and if you dig into the numbers,

1654
01:30:55,479 --> 01:30:58,280
Speaker 8: there is so much lying about it. So I'm looking

1655
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:00,920
Speaker 8: at this thread by Tim Carr where he just looked

1656
01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 8: at some of the numbers in what they were using

1657
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:08,760
Speaker 8: for this database. So for example, a suicidal young man

1658
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:11,000
Speaker 8: made a hit list that included Trump on it. He

1659
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:13,479
Speaker 8: then later killed two strangers who were both white. This

1660
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 8: was counted as right wing political violence according to an

1661
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:19,880
Speaker 8: ADL study, because the shooter had a swastika on his gun.

1662
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 8: There was a felon in New Hampshire, Jesse James Sullivan

1663
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:26,760
Speaker 8: in twenty twenty four. He murdered his half brother, who

1664
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 8: was white, but they counted it as a right wing

1665
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:32,599
Speaker 8: political violence because he had joined a white prison gang

1666
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:33,679
Speaker 8: while he was in prison.

1667
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:35,800
Speaker 15: By the way, previous events, what happens in prison, you

1668
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:37,680
Speaker 15: have to find somebody that will protect There.

1669
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:40,679
Speaker 8: Was someone I found where someone like sent anti gay,

1670
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:44,120
Speaker 8: like made a harassment call to George Santo's and said

1671
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:45,720
Speaker 8: that he had like hurt the gay community with what

1672
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:48,759
Speaker 8: he did, and that was like right wing anti government threats.

1673
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:51,280
Speaker 15: All right, well, we're going to take a quick radio break.

1674
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:52,720
Speaker 15: I think we're going to keep going in the in

1675
01:31:52,800 --> 01:32:09,240
Speaker 15: the in the stream hangtag, all right, welcome back for

1676
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:11,920
Speaker 15: the stream, keep going, Blake, because yes, George Santos, he

1677
01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:14,560
Speaker 15: so this guy calls him and makes a threat to

1678
01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:17,200
Speaker 15: him because he because George Santos made fools.

1679
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:17,519
Speaker 7: Of the gay community.

1680
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:20,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, that must gay activists left a threatening voicemail for

1681
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:23,400
Speaker 8: George Santos and said he felt he had untaken under

1682
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:27,479
Speaker 8: anti gay acts and that was right wing government focused violence.

1683
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:32,880
Speaker 8: And then another one was a homeless man broke into

1684
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:35,840
Speaker 8: a hotel and attacked someone and used a racial slur.

1685
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:39,000
Speaker 8: It was later put in a mental institutions.

1686
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:42,720
Speaker 17: That's right wing racially motivated violence. And so this.

1687
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:44,599
Speaker 8: Happens over and over, and there's even a chart that

1688
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:48,960
Speaker 8: was in I think this was in the Economists somewhere,

1689
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:51,800
Speaker 8: but it shows that you know overtime and how they

1690
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:54,439
Speaker 8: allegedly there's all this right wing violence that peaks in

1691
01:32:54,439 --> 01:32:56,120
Speaker 8: twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, and then it goes down in

1692
01:32:56,160 --> 01:32:58,519
Speaker 8: twenty twenty. And that's how you always know all this

1693
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:00,960
Speaker 8: stuff is a bs. Whenever they put out these studies,

1694
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:04,000
Speaker 8: they don't count what was clearly the biggest outburst of

1695
01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:08,599
Speaker 8: politically motivated violence in our lifetimes, which is in twenty

1696
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 8: twenty George Floyd died. We had gigantic riots in Minneapolis

1697
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:13,200
Speaker 8: where they burned down.

1698
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 17: A police station.

1699
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:18,800
Speaker 8: We had gigantic violence in uh sorry, one moment there.

1700
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:22,080
Speaker 8: We had gigantic violence in Minneapolis, we had gigantic violence

1701
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:25,880
Speaker 8: in DC and that right wing I think they're just not.

1702
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:26,519
Speaker 17: Even counting it.

1703
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 8: They're just like, oh, that's something else. This is mostly though,

1704
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:32,120
Speaker 8: it's mostly peaceful protests, or they'll say.

1705
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:39,120
Speaker 17: Someone has to be con so the prosecution project.

1706
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:41,040
Speaker 8: This is one that was getting shared a lot that

1707
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:46,200
Speaker 8: was supposedly tracking what violence occurs and what they'll often do. So,

1708
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:48,160
Speaker 8: for example, in this chart, they say resulting in a

1709
01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:53,479
Speaker 8: guilty verdict. So if they have clearly hundreds or thousands

1710
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:57,960
Speaker 8: of people going around smashing windows, doing graffiti everywhere, terrorizing

1711
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:01,640
Speaker 8: the public, but whoh no, he was convicted of this.

1712
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:03,280
Speaker 15: This is a great point. This is a great point,

1713
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:05,599
Speaker 15: because nobody was convicted of anything. As a matter of fact,

1714
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:08,360
Speaker 15: the cities ended up settling, with many of the.

1715
01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:12,320
Speaker 8: Settles giving them money, giving them money, or Saint louis

1716
01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:15,880
Speaker 8: a mob like braves and terrorizes that family. It was

1717
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:20,879
Speaker 8: that the mccaskey's, the mcclauskey's, the mcclauskey's bring out empty

1718
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:23,799
Speaker 8: guns to have these people not storm their.

1719
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:25,000
Speaker 17: House and attack them.

1720
01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 8: And I bet that's probably counted as nothing, or it's

1721
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:30,400
Speaker 8: going to be counted as right wing violence, you know,

1722
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:33,680
Speaker 8: anti anti protester anti racial justice, and it's just a

1723
01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:38,000
Speaker 8: total shams. They besiege a courthouse in Portland for that. Oh,

1724
01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:39,600
Speaker 8: that was another one one of the data sets that

1725
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:42,280
Speaker 8: was getting shared around. It did not count a member

1726
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:46,000
Speaker 8: of Antifa taking a gun shooting a Trump supporter in

1727
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:48,280
Speaker 8: the head in a murder, and they didn't count that

1728
01:34:48,520 --> 01:34:52,120
Speaker 8: as left wing political violence here, probably because he wasn't

1729
01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:54,519
Speaker 8: convicted because he was killed by the police before he

1730
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:55,160
Speaker 8: actually well.

1731
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Speaker 15: And this is why it's such an a salient point

1732
01:34:57,439 --> 01:35:01,600
Speaker 15: you're making, is because we saw in the aftermath of

1733
01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:05,800
Speaker 15: what happened to Charlie. We didn't riot, we didn't burn

1734
01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:06,559
Speaker 15: down buildings.

1735
01:35:06,640 --> 01:35:07,000
Speaker 7: We didn't.

1736
01:35:07,160 --> 01:35:09,760
Speaker 17: It is a silt we need to learn the talking point.

1737
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:13,879
Speaker 8: We did not loot businesses. We prayed and like everyone

1738
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:17,599
Speaker 8: knows this, nobody is like nobody actually you know, was

1739
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:21,280
Speaker 8: you know, prepping their stores or anything, or nobody was

1740
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:23,679
Speaker 8: doing excess preparations like, oh, we have to be ready.

1741
01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:26,080
Speaker 8: Nobody after Charlie, there's no one was worried about the

1742
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:29,160
Speaker 8: Charlie Kirk riots. Nobody was even worried about that. We

1743
01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:32,960
Speaker 8: might have worried about other violence happening, but nobody was worried, Oh,

1744
01:35:33,080 --> 01:35:35,200
Speaker 8: all of those conservatives who like Charlie Kirk are going

1745
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:39,080
Speaker 8: to go and burned down, you know, Salt Lake City

1746
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:41,640
Speaker 8: burned down Phoenix. No one was worried about that. We

1747
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:45,479
Speaker 8: do worry about that all the time, with Antifa, with BLM,

1748
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:48,680
Speaker 8: with causes that are on the left. This, this is

1749
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:52,200
Speaker 8: what the reality is. We're the statistics, yes about this.

1750
01:35:52,360 --> 01:35:54,600
Speaker 11: You can trade statistics and studies all you like, but

1751
01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:57,519
Speaker 11: the true character of a political movement comes out in

1752
01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:00,840
Speaker 11: moments of crisis and of tragedy. And I'm sorry, but

1753
01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:04,439
Speaker 11: the contrast is as clear as day between what happened

1754
01:36:04,760 --> 01:36:07,120
Speaker 11: in May, the aftermath of the Floyd killing in May

1755
01:36:07,160 --> 01:36:10,200
Speaker 11: twenty twenty and and and Charlie's death. I mean that

1756
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:13,320
Speaker 11: that that what you were saying earlier, Andrew, just not

1757
01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:15,679
Speaker 11: a single arrest, you know, at one hundred thousand people

1758
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:17,960
Speaker 11: in that stadium, and I you know, we were all there.

1759
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:19,400
Speaker 7: It was just so peaceful.

1760
01:36:19,400 --> 01:36:22,200
Speaker 15: There's nothing There was almost three hundred thousand people in

1761
01:36:22,240 --> 01:36:23,240
Speaker 15: and around the state night.

1762
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:23,720
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1763
01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:27,679
Speaker 15: I got to welcome back radio. Uh hang tight, final

1764
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:41,000
Speaker 15: segment of the day. Excited all right, welcome back the

1765
01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:45,360
Speaker 15: final segment of the show. It has flown by, and

1766
01:36:45,439 --> 01:36:49,160
Speaker 15: it's really a tragedy, uh, doctor Orr, because we could

1767
01:36:50,200 --> 01:36:52,599
Speaker 15: we could, really, I mean, if we wanted to just pick,

1768
01:36:53,120 --> 01:36:56,160
Speaker 15: you know, a single thread, to pick any any of

1769
01:36:56,200 --> 01:36:59,320
Speaker 15: them from the Western canon, you would then let me

1770
01:36:59,439 --> 01:37:03,040
Speaker 15: let loose like a mustang to just you know, delve

1771
01:37:03,080 --> 01:37:06,320
Speaker 15: into this chapter and verse of this ancient text.

1772
01:37:06,479 --> 01:37:08,240
Speaker 7: And we could go on for hours.

1773
01:37:08,520 --> 01:37:11,360
Speaker 15: So it's almost a disservice to you to make you

1774
01:37:11,439 --> 01:37:15,160
Speaker 15: reflect it all on the you know, the ice shooting

1775
01:37:15,439 --> 01:37:18,680
Speaker 15: or you know the statistics about X, Y and Z,

1776
01:37:18,840 --> 01:37:22,400
Speaker 15: because truly you are a marvel and you are a

1777
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:26,280
Speaker 15: unique human that understands the Western canon and what built

1778
01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:31,000
Speaker 15: Western civilization, unlike anybody I've ever met. And I had

1779
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:33,240
Speaker 15: some wonderful time with you, and we have a really

1780
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:36,160
Speaker 15: dear shared friend, Don Williams, who was actually the man

1781
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:38,600
Speaker 15: that married me and my wife, who you happen to know,

1782
01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:41,160
Speaker 15: and we discovered our mutual connection. Don went to be

1783
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:44,240
Speaker 15: with Jesus a couple of years ago, but a truly

1784
01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:47,400
Speaker 15: remarkable man that had a great, great life and a

1785
01:37:47,439 --> 01:37:49,919
Speaker 15: great ministry, and he ministered to you, and he ministered

1786
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:53,080
Speaker 15: to me, and so I think the floor is yours,

1787
01:37:53,080 --> 01:37:56,559
Speaker 15: my friend, like this and this hour as you see fit.

1788
01:37:56,720 --> 01:37:59,200
Speaker 15: And I mean, maybe it's remembering Charlie, maybe it's.

1789
01:37:59,320 --> 01:38:01,559
Speaker 7: Maybe it's what you hope does he come from this?

1790
01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:03,320
Speaker 7: And whatever it.

1791
01:38:03,240 --> 01:38:06,479
Speaker 11: Is, Thank you Andrew the checks in the post later.

1792
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:10,439
Speaker 11: That's so good of you to say. And and it's

1793
01:38:10,479 --> 01:38:13,640
Speaker 11: so strange to meet not just Charlie but but but

1794
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:16,360
Speaker 11: you and to his team just just a few months ago.

1795
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:18,600
Speaker 11: And yet you know, I felt like, just you know,

1796
01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:22,800
Speaker 11: the lifelong friendships were emerging, and we just had these

1797
01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:26,719
Speaker 11: these great plans. And I learnt far more from Charlie

1798
01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:29,559
Speaker 11: than I think he learnt from me, because you know,

1799
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:31,280
Speaker 11: I think I was joking Earl.

1800
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:31,559
Speaker 17: I was.

1801
01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:34,200
Speaker 11: I spent months trying to get him to call me James,

1802
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:36,720
Speaker 11: but it was always doctor all that incredible kind of

1803
01:38:36,720 --> 01:38:37,719
Speaker 11: well right humility.

1804
01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:39,880
Speaker 15: It's ironic that he's known to be sort of anti

1805
01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:41,479
Speaker 15: college and all this stuff, but yet when he met

1806
01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:44,719
Speaker 15: a true scholar, how much reverence he actually had.

1807
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:48,240
Speaker 11: And that came across I thought in Larry Anne's beautiful

1808
01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:51,320
Speaker 11: tribute to him in the stadium, and I've never never

1809
01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:55,600
Speaker 11: seen Larry, you know, deeply kind of a move like that.

1810
01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:58,559
Speaker 11: He's always very good at keeping it together. But it

1811
01:38:58,680 --> 01:39:00,800
Speaker 11: was just such an extraordinary test to me. I think

1812
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:03,320
Speaker 11: he mentioned at one point that you know, he said

1813
01:39:03,360 --> 01:39:05,760
Speaker 11: to he said to Charlie, you know you've got to learn,

1814
01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:08,479
Speaker 11: and it's going to take suffering. It's a great bit

1815
01:39:08,479 --> 01:39:13,120
Speaker 11: of wisdom from Eschylus's Agamemnon pathemeta mathemeta you have sufferings

1816
01:39:13,320 --> 01:39:17,519
Speaker 11: learnings and that idea, SESSI. Larry's just instills that in

1817
01:39:17,560 --> 01:39:20,880
Speaker 11: his in his in his cohorts at Hillsdale, and then

1818
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:23,759
Speaker 11: just Charlie goes off and does all thirty one Hillsdale

1819
01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:27,000
Speaker 11: courses available. Then you know, it comes back, comes back

1820
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:30,840
Speaker 11: for more and just extraordinary. And I think, you know,

1821
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:34,320
Speaker 11: it's hard to hard, you know, hard to replace somebody

1822
01:39:34,360 --> 01:39:37,240
Speaker 11: with that that kind of package of of powers and

1823
01:39:37,280 --> 01:39:41,679
Speaker 11: skills and abilities and aptitudes and replace them not but

1824
01:39:41,680 --> 01:39:45,799
Speaker 11: but I felt on Sunday, you know, something had shifted

1825
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:49,120
Speaker 11: and that although he could not be replaced, there was

1826
01:39:49,400 --> 01:39:54,599
Speaker 11: there something something stirring, something that is, something that is

1827
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:57,559
Speaker 11: that is peaceful, something that it is you know, that

1828
01:39:57,560 --> 01:40:01,240
Speaker 11: that is kind of recovering the ancient, the ancient vision

1829
01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:05,240
Speaker 11: for the West, of hope, of faith, of love, the

1830
01:40:05,320 --> 01:40:09,639
Speaker 11: great you know, the great Trinity of theological virtues, and

1831
01:40:10,600 --> 01:40:14,400
Speaker 11: it was just extraordinary to witness that, And there's a

1832
01:40:14,439 --> 01:40:16,519
Speaker 11: kind of envy. I remember that that last show we

1833
01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:18,479
Speaker 11: did that all that was aired as his last show.

1834
01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:20,760
Speaker 11: We recorded it back in August, and I think I

1835
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:22,800
Speaker 11: opened it by saying, I don't normally like watching things

1836
01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:24,479
Speaker 11: I do, but I wanted to watch that because I

1837
01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:27,320
Speaker 11: wanted to be reminded of him and of our time together.

1838
01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:29,920
Speaker 11: And I think I just started by saying, look, you know,

1839
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:33,200
Speaker 11: young people are always saying we want to change the world,

1840
01:40:33,240 --> 01:40:35,320
Speaker 11: and I tend to think that the world would be

1841
01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:37,479
Speaker 11: a much better place if you're young people try to

1842
01:40:37,560 --> 01:40:40,040
Speaker 11: change it. But in Charlie's case, I said, you know,

1843
01:40:40,120 --> 01:40:42,479
Speaker 11: you really are changing the world. You are really shifting

1844
01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:46,439
Speaker 11: shifting things in extraordinary ways. And I think I said

1845
01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:48,519
Speaker 11: at one point, we need to we need to bottle

1846
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:51,200
Speaker 11: some kirk juice and bring it back, to bring it

1847
01:40:51,240 --> 01:40:54,640
Speaker 11: back to the mother country. But I think there's going

1848
01:40:54,680 --> 01:40:58,240
Speaker 11: to be a lot of Kirk juice in Britain now.

1849
01:40:58,240 --> 01:41:00,599
Speaker 7: It's been better than bottled. It's been on lease. That's right,

1850
01:41:00,720 --> 01:41:01,759
Speaker 7: that's right, and that's.

1851
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:02,000
Speaker 18: Going to be it.

1852
01:41:02,040 --> 01:41:03,680
Speaker 11: There's a there's a there's a torrent of it all

1853
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:06,439
Speaker 11: over all over the West now. And and he what

1854
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:08,439
Speaker 11: a role model he will be, what an exemplar he

1855
01:41:08,479 --> 01:41:12,439
Speaker 11: will be in in in death, to to to to

1856
01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:15,320
Speaker 11: so many many who who who'd never really come across

1857
01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:17,759
Speaker 11: him before. It's as true as I said in Britain,

1858
01:41:17,800 --> 01:41:20,400
Speaker 11: he's been He's been discovered for the first time by

1859
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:22,800
Speaker 11: by by millions of France.

1860
01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:26,400
Speaker 7: I've heard similar stories about France and Spain.

1861
01:41:26,200 --> 01:41:28,479
Speaker 11: Especially among the young. I'veant lost count of the non

1862
01:41:28,479 --> 01:41:30,320
Speaker 11: people saying like, I've never heard of this guy, but

1863
01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:33,240
Speaker 11: my my children are talking about it. My children are

1864
01:41:33,280 --> 01:41:38,240
Speaker 11: incredibly upset and and and it's just just an extraordinary legacy.

1865
01:41:38,240 --> 01:41:40,840
Speaker 11: I counted just such a high honor to have got

1866
01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:42,439
Speaker 11: to know him in the last few months of his life.

1867
01:41:42,439 --> 01:41:45,600
Speaker 11: And and we we we we missed. Honor him in

1868
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:47,879
Speaker 11: the months and years ahead, Honor his legacy.

1869
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:51,840
Speaker 15: And you and he's shared a mission to save the

1870
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:56,840
Speaker 15: West and we must we must do that.

1871
01:41:57,040 --> 01:41:57,559
Speaker 7: We must.

1872
01:41:58,240 --> 01:42:01,559
Speaker 15: It's worth saving. It's beautiful, and that was his passion.

1873
01:42:04,439 --> 01:42:06,400
Speaker 15: It's just been an honor to have you here. Dr

1874
01:42:06,520 --> 01:42:07,240
Speaker 15: Or James.

1875
01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:12,559
Speaker 7: I don't know, well, Dor We'll see you tomorrow.

1876
01:42:12,720 --> 01:42:13,920
Speaker 11: Thank you Andrew, Thank you Blake.

1877
01:42:14,640 --> 01:42:15,840
Speaker 19: H m hm

1878
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:20,320
Speaker 13: Hm