1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: Y'all are listening to Waiting on Reparations the production of 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. Yeah, yeah, Yo, I'm waiting a reparations record, 3 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: as we said it straight to did I say we 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: was waiting funk that we never patient. Knife has been 5 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: in the fight since the days of the segregation, Roller 6 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 1: Blunt and I lighted im blazing. I'm meditating, well, ling 7 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: were faking demonstrate and we're just taking names, y'all. Just 8 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: stay in lane. We're just taking aim. Weren't playing games. 9 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: We just take the system and we shake the frame, 10 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: trying to bend that ship and maybe make a change. 11 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: And I don't even know when it will be fall. 12 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: I'm not gathering new somebod. I don't need a total 13 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: recall from right wingers whoill be on the mic singing yeeha, 14 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: the COVID cases going up and down like se sauce. 15 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: All I got is me, y'all, let me get it started. 16 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: Go ahead and just speak. I'm gonna get my co 17 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: host back next week. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yet yeah, alright, Okay, 18 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: my name is Dope Knife, and y'all are listening to 19 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: Waiting on Reparations. Hurry up. I am so glad that 20 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: this is about to be the last time that I 21 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: have to do that by myself, because next week, y'all, 22 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: the homegirl Lingua Franca is coming off of her much 23 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: needed and deserved maternity leave and she's going to be 24 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: rejoining me for some all new episodes and all that jazz. 25 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: But we got one more day of it just being 26 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: the Dope Knife Show. I do have somewhat of a 27 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: little announcement to make. I have fallen in love with 28 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: a new album. What would'all think, get your get your 29 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: mind out the gutter? No, I have been listening to 30 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: that new West Side Gun album, Hitler Wears Hermes eight. 31 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: I guess that's because it's the eighth one, and all honesty, 32 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: out of all the Griselda guys, west Side Gun is 33 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: probably my least favorite. But um, I just I haven't 34 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: stopped listening to the joints since I got that ship. 35 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: It is super dope. I mean, obviously you have all 36 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: of the usual features from the Griselda Cats, but the 37 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: beats on this ship, I mean, it's nuts. It's nuts. 38 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say West Side Gun is 39 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: kind of an acquired taste, you know what I'm saying. 40 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: But if you have the ear for it, then that 41 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: is going to get awaiting on reparations, dope knife stamp 42 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: of approval. You need to check that ship out. So 43 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: what do we have in the news today? Oh, I'm 44 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 1: an airhead. So as I'm recording this, the results are 45 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: kind of coming in for that California recall election, and 46 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: it appears that Gavin Newsome is going to survive and 47 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: he's going to serve out the rest of his two 48 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: years as the governor of California. Um. Yeah, I didn't 49 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: even make the actual recall stage. Is you know everybody 50 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,399 Speaker 1: voted no or enough people voted no. I think if 51 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: it had gone through, then his main runner up was 52 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: gonna be Larry Elder. Now, for those of you who 53 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: don't know who Larry Elder is, he is, Um, how 54 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: do you best describe Larry Elder? He is a one 55 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: of those right wing black token Republican hacks, you know 56 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. He's been around for like decades, but 57 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 1: you know he's now he's part of that whole Trump 58 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: He ship. So they were they were making a planet. 59 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: Luckily they lost, but he's already him and Trump are 60 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: already claiming Electron fraud and it was rigged or whatever. 61 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: They were doing that before a vote even came in. 62 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: To be honest with you, a couple of days before, 63 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: they were on news Max and ship and and talking 64 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: that up. I think that's about to be the new normal, 65 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, everybody listening right now. I 66 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: think from now until the day that we all die, 67 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: there's not gonna be an election that Republicans lose and 68 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: they don't say we were they were cheated, you know 69 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: what I mean. I think that's just the that's just 70 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: the new standard operating procedure with those cats. I don't 71 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: think that is going anywhere anytime soon. But good for Kellie, 72 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, way way to uh delay 73 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: the apocalypse. What else is going on? Oh, A couple 74 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: of days ago, Joe Biden issued out a federal mandate 75 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: on vaccines for federal workers. I think all in all, 76 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's supposed to affect 77 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: a hundred million Americans. The anti factors and you know, 78 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: the usual coons and goblins are losing their mind about 79 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: the same people who what just like six months ago, 80 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: were watching Donald Trump order unmarked troops to snatch people 81 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: off the streets. They were looking at it and they 82 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: were like, oh no, that's dope. And then to take 83 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: a vaccine for a deadly disease, let's killed millions of 84 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: people around the world. Just nah, this is the authoritarianism. 85 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: For a hot second. On the day that Biden gave 86 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: that speech, do not comply or don't comply, some ship 87 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: like that was trending on Twitter and it was I 88 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: checked it out. It was a bunch of right wingers 89 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: talking about don't comply's elected officials saying it. It was 90 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: talk radio hosts, bloggers, like they were all kind of 91 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: in lockstep. Do not comply, don't comply with the tyranny. 92 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: In all honesty, it's kind of a soft mandate. I mean, 93 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 1: if you don't want to get the vaccine, then you 94 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: can still just choose to like get tested like all 95 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: the time or more frequently or something like that. So 96 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:44,239 Speaker 1: it's not even like a strong arm, Hey, we're gonna 97 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: hold you down and jab this in your butt type 98 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: of thing. But being in Georgia and as well as 99 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure people can relate who are in 100 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: other Southern states. You know, we've got these governors and 101 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: senators and stuff who are pretty much at this point 102 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: pro COVID, I guess is the best way to describe 103 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: their ideology on the topic. So they're gonna be fighting 104 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: against all of that tooth and nail as much as 105 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: they can. So I don't, you know, I'm not smart 106 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: enough to know how they're gonna enforce that ship realistically. 107 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: But the whole thing got me thinking, like, obviously this 108 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: is going to affect business, and it's just got me 109 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: wondering how are business is going to adapt and how 110 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: are they adapting? Like well, like, really, what's it like 111 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: to open up to start a new business at this 112 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: point in the game and have to abide by the 113 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: changing in COVID policy. You know, sometimes it's ratcheted up 114 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: like it was a few months ago with Delta, then 115 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: it kind of dies down. Then we're not sure if 116 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: it's going to come back, and then people aren't getting vaccined, 117 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 1: and then they're gonna do a mandate. So how is 118 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: it that business owners, particularly black business owners, are dealing 119 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 1: with us? You know, that's a question in and of itself. 120 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: But then if you take it down to the South 121 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: where we have local governments that are you know, vehemently 122 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: opposed to any sort of regulation or anything that's gonna 123 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: help with the whole COVID situation to begin with, How 124 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: are black business owners and entrepreneurs navigating this new landscape 125 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: that we find in the South. So that's what I'm 126 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: gonna be talking about today. I'm also gonna be having 127 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: a little chat with a new black business owner and 128 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: creative down here in Savannah by the name of lb 129 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,239 Speaker 1: Elms mean her. Are going to have a conversation about 130 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: that topic, and I will be back after we go 131 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: pay some bills. So, for a lot of people, the 132 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: idea of owning your own business and working for yourself, 133 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: it's still very much like the epitome of the American dream, 134 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like it's kind of 135 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: what everybody's low key working towards. I'm an independent musician. 136 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: It's been my hustle since i was eighteen, you know, 137 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: So it's I've always looked at that kind of with 138 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: that small business mindset. But I've had tons of friends, 139 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: especially being in this town like Savannah, where there's a 140 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: lot of creatives, a lot of artists, a lot of 141 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: people who are trying to get something started. I've seen 142 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: how difficult it can be to, you know, to make 143 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: that decision and take that leap, and you know, for 144 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: for go those safety nets and conveniences to be like, hey, 145 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to start my own business. To go out 146 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: and say that I'm gonna build something from the ground up, 147 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: with all of the hurdles and obstacles that are going 148 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: to be in the way, it can be a lot, 149 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 1: you know, and it definitely doesn't have a guarantee of 150 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: any kind whatsoever. There's over thirty million small businesses in 151 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: this country, and the number of those that survive is 152 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: just a fraction. So like of small businesses failed after 153 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 1: the first year, thirty percent of small businesses fail after 154 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: the second year. Then you get fifty percent of them 155 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 1: fail after five years, and by the time you get 156 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 1: to year ten, seventy percent of them are called the quits. 157 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: All that ship is just generally though, and you know, 158 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: anything that affects the country is gonna affect black people 159 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: double fold. So for minorities, it's even more of a 160 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: daunting task to start a small business. Eight percent of 161 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: black owned businesses fail within the first two years eighty percent, 162 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: and COVID's only exacerbated all that. Now, according to CNBC, 163 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: African American entrepreneurs have had to close their doors at 164 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: more than twice the rate of their white counterparts. Black 165 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: owned businesses declined by forty one percent between February and April, 166 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: and that's compared to a seventeen percent decline amongst white 167 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: owned businesses. There was a little boom in terms of 168 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 1: the revenue earned by black owned businesses after the Jeor 169 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: Floyd protests, just in the midst of all of the 170 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter stuff. You know, a lot of people 171 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: were donating, a lot of people were reaching out, and 172 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: I guess there was little boom, but that did not 173 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: last for long at all. Now, there's a number of 174 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: factors as to why this happens, and you know, there's 175 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: people way smarter than me that I'm sure have already 176 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: broken it down. But pretty much the key key amongst 177 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: all of the different reasons for why African American businesses 178 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: struggle is the access to finances. Many startups rely on 179 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: support financially from friends and family. So it's just like 180 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: a matter of simple math. If your social network doesn't 181 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: have that much money, then that will translate into how 182 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: they're able to help you, if they're able to help you, 183 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: and with that all of the basic trial and error 184 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 1: that usually goes in with starting a small business, especially 185 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: in the early days, it ends up being something that's 186 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: fatally costly and you when you don't have access to 187 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: the capital like that. In real talk, if we live 188 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: in a country where a black sounding name on a 189 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: job application is going to stop a motherfucker from hiring you, 190 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: then I'm pretty sure the same thing goes along with 191 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 1: whether they'll shop with you or not. Uh, just a 192 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 1: drive that home before COVID, Black owned businesses nationally average 193 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: fifty eight thousand dollars annually, and that's compared to over 194 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: half a million dollars for white owned businesses. In a 195 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: report conducted in three Southern states by Prosperity Now that 196 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: was Mississippi, Georgia, and I believe North Carolina, UM. The 197 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 1: report was titled Stuck from the Start the Financial Challenges 198 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: of Low and moderate income African American Entrepreneurs in the South. 199 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: So for this they interviewed thirty African American business owners 200 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 1: in eastern North Carolina, South Eastern Georgia, and Jackson and 201 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 1: Delta regions of Mississippi. Many stated limited managerial and industry 202 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: experience and launching businesses and lower revenue service industries and 203 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: black communities. Also noted was the lack of a robust 204 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: network of supportive institutions, including ones that could provide managerial training, 205 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: technical assistance, and strategic advice, and an inability to establish 206 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: lines of credit that could support expansion plans or covering 207 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: operating expresses. Many of the major obstacles facing African American 208 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: entrepreneurs flows from the challenge of starting a business with 209 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: little to no savings or family wealth. The researchers found 210 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: the black entrepreneurs simply don't have the savings or the 211 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: wealth that white families do to leverage either on their 212 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: own or through their family networks. As one North Carolina 213 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: entrepreneurs stated, we didn't inherit. Nothing, nothing was passed down. 214 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: Our parents do all they can for us, but it 215 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: was all on us from the beginning. However, even with 216 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: all the hardships, there has been a bit of a 217 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: kind of a migration over the last decade or so 218 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: black entrepreneurs coming down South and bringing their ideas down here. 219 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: Report by Black tech Week stated that the top three 220 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: cities where black owned businesses found success were Memphis, Montgomery, 221 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: and Atlanta, all in the South. Now, the factors contributing 222 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: to this where low cost of living compared to places 223 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: like New York and San Francisco. I can attest to that. 224 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: It's one of the reasons that are brothers down here. 225 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: There's also been an increase in business incubators in southern 226 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: metro cities, so destinations like Atlanta have had a surge 227 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: of tech incubators to foster rising black owned businesses that 228 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: are all in the same field. In the South still 229 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: has one of the largest pockets of African American population 230 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: in the country, so and they also have a long 231 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: history of supporting black owned businesses. So it's just more 232 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: of an inviting situation. And I guess and with that, 233 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: I'm going to be bringing down our guests for the day, 234 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: who herself is a black small business owner who has 235 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: migrated to the South to get her business popping. You know, 236 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: before we even started rolling, she she said she's going 237 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: to handle the introduction duties because it's quite avouthful to 238 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: to say the whole title. Absolutely, thank you for having me. 239 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: Um again, I'm LB LM, and I'm the owner and 240 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: founder of the Culturist Union, which is the first of 241 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: its kind and only black owned coffee house and artists 242 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: in marketplace in Savannah, Georgia. That's what's up. So how 243 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: when did you go about, you know, moving to Savannah 244 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: to open it? So this is my second time around 245 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: in Savannah. The first time I was a SCAT student UM, 246 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: and I wasn't performing arts. And then I transferred to 247 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: Howard h U you know, okay, how I used to 248 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: go toward. I used to go to Howard and so 249 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: I was up in Irah Audredge, you know, hanging out 250 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: of the theater doing the thing. I was in theater 251 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: management and then I did some d I work and 252 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: traveled around and then I got this idea to create 253 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: a gathering space. UM. But I didn't want it to 254 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: be kind of like a coworking space. I wanted it 255 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: to be a place that was a little bit more relaxed. UM. 256 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: I remember being a student at scared and feeling like 257 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: there was nowhere to go UM as a black artist, 258 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: as a black creative, there wasn't a space for me 259 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: to go on a Tuesday and just really be centered 260 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: and feel, you know, like I have full autonomy over 261 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: myself and all of these things. And so I decided 262 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: that I was gonna come here and create that space. 263 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: And so about two and a half years ago I 264 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: quit UH a job that was very lucrative and and 265 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: in Minnesota and and UM started on this journey. And 266 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: here we are today. So where are you from? Originally? 267 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: I know you said that you were RB brat, But 268 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: do you have like kind of a central lies place. 269 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: So I'm from Pantiac, Michigan. Um. Right, my granny's house 270 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: is right behind the Silver Doll, so I'm right there. 271 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: And then UM, when I was six years old, my 272 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: mother married UM, an army man, and he adopted me, 273 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: and so that's my stepdad. And when we traveled all around. 274 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: And when I was seventeen, I joined the Air Force 275 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: and did that for almost ten years. So then what 276 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: made you pick Savannah to open up your business? Time? 277 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: Like I said, just the connection from going to scab 278 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: then you being in town, you know. So I didn't 279 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: even know Scott existed. My parents UM retired in Richmond Hill, 280 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: which is a little town right outside of Savannah. And 281 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: when I was getting out of the Air Force, I 282 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: wanted to be closer to family. So I moved to Savannah, 283 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: and I didn't have a plan. I was just out 284 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: here just trying to figure it out and going to 285 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: coffee shops. I love coffee shops. I'm going to coffee shops, 286 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: just kind of doodling, drawing, just wasting my day. We're 287 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: trying to figure out what's next in my life. And 288 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: there was a SCAT tour and one of the you know, 289 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 1: tour guds just like you can just hop on. It's easy. 290 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 1: You know, this is pre COVID, you know, and you 291 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: just dish it. So hopped on the tour, Go to 292 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: the Performing Arts, go to Cride Hall, which is where 293 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: the performing arts department is, and I didn't even know 294 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: they had a performing arts department. Go to Pride's Hall, 295 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: audition on the spot, and then I got in. And 296 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: so I went to SCAT because I got in. And 297 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: then that was kind of like falling in love with 298 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: Savannah at that point, or yeah, it was, and it 299 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: was it was this, It was this thing because SCAT 300 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: opened me up to all these possibilities, all of these 301 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 1: things that I had no idea even existed or was 302 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 1: even possible in my life. And meeting all these people, 303 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: but I still didn't feel like there was a space 304 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: for me. I still didn't feel like I was connected. 305 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: And when I went to Howard, I felt like I 306 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 1: was at home. I felt like I was like I 307 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: felt like I got both of those things. So Scab 308 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: was the catalyst. But Howard, Howard pulled it all in 309 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: it and it made it possible, and it made me think. 310 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: It gave me an example of other black people, black women, 311 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: particularly who is doing the thing. And I said, okay, 312 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: well these people can do the thing that I can 313 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:21,719 Speaker 1: think too. So then just to get to the bottom 314 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: of it. So then what made Savannah that spot on 315 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 1: the map that you wanted to start this adventure in. Well, 316 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: so I read this book called The Purple Cow um 317 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: years ago, like when I'm still in the military, so 318 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: this has to be six and eight years ago. And 319 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: in that book it says that you always need to 320 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: be first or um the only. And I recognized that. 321 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: In d C. You know, there's multiple black owned establishments, 322 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 1: gathering places, coffee houses where you could go. You know, 323 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: it's called Chocolate City. I mean it's gentrified now, but 324 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: it's called Tropic City. In Minneapolis where I was at, 325 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: where I was working, Excuse me, it was the same thing. 326 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: And so Savannah just felt like a space for me 327 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: to start. And I knew that it was going to 328 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 1: take a while to start, and I knew that I 329 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: had to cultivate change in the South. But I also 330 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: knew that if I was able to pull it off 331 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: here where there where there is no example, then the 332 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: sky is the living. So it was kind of like 333 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: a personal challenge for it. Well, I mean, since you've 334 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: taken up that challenge, what has it been like so far? 335 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 1: Because you know, I've had several I've had several friends 336 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: who have tried to open up businesses in this town 337 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: who were white and had difficulty doing it. You know 338 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: what I mean that, I've had friends who have been 339 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: black who have had difficulty doing it. So what is 340 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: it like in a post COVID world trying to do that? 341 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: So so before COVID, when I was first starting, it 342 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: was it was it was a tough It was a 343 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 1: tough heal. Right, it was a tough heal because not 344 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: only am I saying that I'm hoping up a creative 345 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 1: space for creatives, people get that. People didn't understand coworking 346 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: spaces at the time. People didn't understand social enterprises at 347 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: the time down here, because these weren't conversations that we 348 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 1: were having in the South. No one's talking about taking 349 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: up space and diversity and equity in the South yet. Right, 350 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: So I'm you know, are you a separatist? Are you? 351 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 1: Why are you? Why are you doing reverse racism things? What? 352 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: What is a coworking space? What are you doing? I 353 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: don't understand the concept. But then, um, there was a 354 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: shift when George Floyd, when when we went to COVID, 355 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 1: George Floyd happened. All of these things kind of created 356 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: this opportunity for conversation. And so I started having information 357 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: sessions where I started giving Diversity Equity UM a platform, 358 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: and I started creating these things called roundtable discussions, and 359 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: I started gathering people and they and it was funny 360 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: because I wasn't doing anything different than what I was 361 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: doing the year before for some reason before listening, right, 362 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 1: and then, UM, I just kept doing I just kept 363 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: doing this. You know, I knew that I didn't have 364 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: a lot of capital. I knew that I didn't have UM, 365 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of financial backing or cloud or 366 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: you know, the network connections. But I also knew that 367 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: I just needed to make sure that everybody knew of 368 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: my idea and that it was mine and that eventually 369 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 1: something I was gonna network my way into my net worth, 370 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: something was gonna click. So I was proud funding. I'm 371 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: hosting these pop ups, I'm hosting these events, I'm giving 372 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 1: these information sessions, I'm connecting to people, and I'm just 373 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: honing in on my message, honing it on my message, 374 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 1: you know, a space for black creative space for black creators. 375 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 1: And then it just kind of took on a life 376 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: of its own. And then I got a phone call 377 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: from uh, the American Express reps to UM to back 378 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: you know, my idea, that I got a phone call 379 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: from T Mobile to back my idea, that I got 380 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 1: a phone call from Essence to do a spread on 381 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 1: this concept. Then America, you know, then Savannah Morning News. 382 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: So all of these things just started to happen, and 383 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: I think it's just because I was just kind of 384 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: putting in the work and just putting one foot in 385 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: front of another. And so UM we were able to 386 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: get the funding. We were able to work with Carver 387 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: State Bank, which is a black owned bank, to help 388 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 1: with UM with the small business loan funding and and 389 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: now we're in construction. So just for our listeners, can 390 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: you uh kind of go into detail explaining what is 391 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: a coworkerspect? So a coworking space UM is a space 392 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: where you can work from home. So think of it 393 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: as UM a you know, a private space kind of 394 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: similar to a coffeehouse or kind of similar to you know, 395 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: your regular office space where other people who may work 396 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 1: from home or who may have small businesses can kind 397 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 1: of gather and and work and create UM. And so 398 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 1: what we're doing is we're taking the coworking space concept 399 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: and we're taking the coffeehouse concept and the marketplace concept 400 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: and fusing them together. So TC was more than a coffeehouse. 401 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: We serve coffee and we have that aspect, but then 402 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: we have forums and discussions and UM creative services and 403 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: you know, space for artists and then we UM and 404 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 1: then we also sell artists products, so black artisans, local 405 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: products you can buy in our store. So is UM 406 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: is is it open yet? Is not open? We're in 407 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: the middle of construction, so we're not opening yet. So 408 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: then what are some of the like how is COVID 409 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: popping up again affecting a decisions that you're making. So 410 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 1: I'm glad you asked that question, because COVID has it's 411 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: slowed down our trajectory. We were supposed to open June Team. 412 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:16,239 Speaker 1: Um because of COVID it have been sorry, you know, 413 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 1: but we were supposed to open June Team. Because of 414 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: COVID marketing, our material prices have skyrocket. What is three 415 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: times the amount of UM that it used to be 416 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: um UM, the materials cost is more UM. Workers are 417 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: you know, we're filling a worker shortage in all industries, 418 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: even in construction, even in the trades, and so people 419 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: who would have readily been available to work are no 420 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: longer here to work. Um. You know, coffee sleeves kind 421 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: of did a toilet paper thing and they just disappeared. 422 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: And what I could find coffee sleeps. And so if 423 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: you walk into your coffee shopping, you don't and they 424 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,160 Speaker 1: don't put a sleeve on because they ain't got one, 425 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 1: you know. And so because of all that, we you know, COVID, 426 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: you know, there was a shutdown, that there was a 427 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: scare with Delta and all of these things. We're you know, 428 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: we're navigating do we make our workers get vaccinated? Do 429 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 1: we do. We only hire people who are vaccinated. You 430 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: know what is those things? You know we're having these conversations, 431 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: but honestly, COVID, it's just it's slowing things down. It's 432 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: raising the prices on everything. And if you already know, 433 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: you know, I don't have the same um financial backing 434 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: or the same you know, social economic status as my 435 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: white counterparts. So it's hitting me harder. You know, when 436 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 1: when I have to go and crawdfund. You know, I 437 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 1: could have a friend and I'm just gonna use this collocalism. 438 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: But Sarah could crowd fund and probably raise you know, 439 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars in ninety days, I'll be hard 440 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: pressed to get tent in those same many days. And 441 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: it's just because our social um so social circle of 442 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: influence doesn't have that same amount to give. No one 443 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: has a thousand, five thousand dollars to give to invest 444 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 1: in someone's dream when we're all trying to make sure 445 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: that we're pairing our bills and making sure, you know, 446 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: our life is good for ourselves. So it's difficult, but 447 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 1: it's you know, we're still on the journey, we're still 448 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: figuring it out. So I mean I'm sure you guys 449 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: are going to figure it out. I mean, it looks 450 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: like guys are on the right half with everything. So 451 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: I mean, does it ever, like does it frustrate you 452 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 1: kind of that It's like you're hearing you guys are 453 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: starting to have all of these serious conversations about how 454 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: you guys are going to navigate through COVID and to 455 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 1: keep not only your employees safe, but you know what 456 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: I'm saying, potential people who come to you safe as well. 457 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: Does it like frustrate you to live in a state 458 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: where it seems like from a government level, you know 459 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: that it's that's not really a concern, or at least 460 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: they're fighting against federal moves that are being made to 461 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: stop the spread of COVID or just to get things 462 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: back to normal, you know whatever normal is. Yes and no. 463 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: So yes, because it's counterintuitive. Um, you know, you say 464 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: you want to stop the you want to stop the virus. 465 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,880 Speaker 1: You want to get workers back to work, you want 466 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: to you know, you want to support small businesses, small 467 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: businesses on the background, we want to, we want to 468 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: support these things. But then you're not creating an atmosphere 469 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 1: where people can move forward. You know, you have a 470 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: kind of instagnation that we wear mask we that were 471 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: massive were allowed to do this, and we're not allowed 472 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: to do this. And it's like whose rights are you protecting? 473 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: Who are who are you disenfranchising at this point. So 474 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: it's confusing and it's frustrating. On the other hand, UM 475 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: I do believe that. Um I do believe that certain 476 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: people I've created this fear propaganda because it didn't suit them. 477 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 1: And now everybody's trying to backtrack. Right, so you you 478 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: created this hysteria. Oh the vaccs are COVID isn't real. 479 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: Covid isn't real. These this vaccine took to you know, 480 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: it was it happened too soon. I need to do 481 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: my research. And they're they're trying to, you know, take 482 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: our soul away there, you know, all these right, all 483 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: of these things. Um and now you're like, oh, well 484 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 1: you should get the vaccine but not so it's it's 485 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: it's counterintuitive, and it's it's frustrating. Yeah, I guess you know, 486 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: it's I don't know, it's it's the worst, it really is, 487 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: and you know it. And it's like, as a business owner, 488 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: do I make the decision to make people get vaccinated, 489 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: Well what happens if they can't get vaccinator or what 490 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: happens if they morally don't want to get vaccinating? Like 491 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: what do I do as a as an owner? How 492 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: do I? How do I navigate that? Do I let 493 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: people who are not vaccinated into the space? Do I? 494 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: You know? Do I'm then wear masks? And if you know, 495 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: I had a friend of mine who owns a business 496 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: and she has this mask role where you have to 497 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: wear a mask. And a guy walks into her business 498 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: and takes a bottle of pop from the north, so 499 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: we called blah Blah shakes it up and sprays her 500 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: entire space because he's upset he had to wear a 501 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: mask in her space. And it's like, is this what 502 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: life is gonna look like for me when we open? 503 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: You know? Like how do we navigate? So I mean 504 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: like that is those are the sort of things that 505 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: you're considering when you know, trying to make those decisions 506 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: absolutely and you know and and so uh for right now, 507 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: obviously we're telling people you're gonna have to wear a 508 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: mask unless you're seated in your space, and and you know, 509 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: we're hot. We're highly encouraging people to be vaccinated, and 510 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: we're taking that into consideration where we're doing our hiring. 511 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: But it's it's it's a tough place to be in. Yeah, 512 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: why don't you tell everybody where they can find you? Absolutely, 513 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: so you can check us out at the Culturist Union. So, um, 514 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: it's c U l T you r I s T 515 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: the Culturalist Union dot com on social media, The Culturist 516 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: Union Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, Um, and hit me and my 517 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: team up. We're here and we're ready. We're gonna be 518 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: located on MLK Street. So if you ride down, okay, 519 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: you'll see our big will go and it says future 520 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: home of the Culturalist Union. So open. It's coming struct 521 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: but it will be here before the end of the year. 522 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: I can promise you that. Um. And so when we come, 523 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: we just help you, you know, take up some space whatever. 524 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: Hell yeah, of course, of course. Yeah. Well I'll be 525 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: thank you for dropping on the show, and I will 526 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: be right back after we take a little break. Yeah, 527 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: I mean you said, you know we can talk about 528 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: we can talk about hip hop politics. Alright, alright, well, 529 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: then this is gonna be the second week in a 530 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: row where the guests have wanted to drive in on 531 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: the hip hop discussion of the day. I really wanted 532 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: to tell you a story and kind of kind of 533 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: hear your perspective of it. Okay, So I had a 534 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: woman and I do a lot of diversity equity work. 535 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: Obviously my space is all about you know, inclusion and 536 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: equity and things like that. And so there was a 537 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: Facebook post that a woman made and on the Facebook 538 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: post she quoted um or she hear a phrased Earth 539 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: the Kit and she says, you know, um, um, I 540 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: don't see black, I don't see white, I don't see pink, 541 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: I don't see green. All I see as a woman 542 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: and um. There was this huge debate on whether or 543 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: not she should have said that, and I said, um, 544 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: I said, well, it's really funny that she chose Earth 545 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: the Kid to quote because the Kit with the Kanye 546 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: of her top. And I wanted to know, what do 547 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: you think about these um people who quote actors and 548 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: musicians as keystones or cornerstones of black culture to justify 549 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: their point. Well, I mean, I think it's it's I 550 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: think it might be rooted in like having some sort 551 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: of like personal cover, especially nowadays, because I find that 552 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: the discourse that I find that discourse is like a 553 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: regular thing with hip hop now between you know, the 554 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: different races of fans where you know, just keeping it real, 555 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: like if a white person says something about like a 556 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: particular rapper artist that's like unfavorable, then it almost seems 557 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: like as a reflex, then the discussion turns into, well, 558 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: what do you call how you qualified to judge black music? 559 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: You know? I mean, but when they're packing the stadiums 560 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: and everybody's singing the N word, you know what I mean, 561 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: Like like nobody's thinking about anybody's qualifications to like listen 562 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: to the music and stuff like that. I think if 563 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: you're going to have that energy, that you should be 564 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: consistent with it. But I don't think somebody is saying 565 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: that they didn't like track twelve of your album is 566 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: like when you start bringing up you know, like that's 567 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: just me. That's that's just my opinion on it. Um 568 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: As far as why people do it, I think it's 569 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: precisely for that. You know, It's like the it's it's 570 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: the same same thought process as being used with like, 571 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: oh but my friends black. You know what I'm saying. 572 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: It's like I'm making this point let me quote this 573 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: black person who said this thing, and I'm justified, Like, 574 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: for example, she knew or whoever posted it knew that 575 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: there was going to be of a vocal group of 576 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: people that had an issue with it. But the cover 577 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 1: is yo, I'm not like quoting Sally Field or something 578 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: like that. It's another black person. Now they're assuming that 579 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 1: people are going in not knowing who earth the kid 580 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: was the assuming you're just gonna see that's a black person. 581 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 1: It was like, oh, okay, I guess, I guess right, 582 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: it is. It's funny to me. It's it's funny to me, 583 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 1: how you know. And so in that regards do you 584 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: judge Do you judge an artist in their work by 585 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: by their personal morals or do you with Yeah, I 586 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: mean with hip hop, it's it's it might be kind 587 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: of different because I'm just such a fan of like 588 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: the craft itself, you know what I mean, Like as 589 00:34:55,200 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: as like a practice and activity rhyming rhythmically overbeats. I'm 590 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: just like fascinated with that craft that to a certain extent. Yeah, 591 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,399 Speaker 1: it's like I can I can disconnect, Like I can 592 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: even listen to rappers and I don't even particularly like 593 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: just to hear people rap, because I like hearing rapping, 594 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But when it comes to 595 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: who I'm a fan of and stuff like that, that's 596 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,839 Speaker 1: much more of a personal thing. And that's where like 597 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 1: the my like admiration of technicality and stuff like that 598 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 1: kind of goes by the wayside. That if I think 599 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,479 Speaker 1: you're whack as a person, you know what I mean, 600 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: then it makes it a lot harder for me to 601 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: enjoy your music or to say that I'm a fan. 602 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 1: It's funny that you brought up Kanye because he's a 603 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: recurring a recurring theme on this particular show. I was 604 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 1: never particularly a big fan, but my co host was 605 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: a fan, and she she, you know, has lost a 606 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: lot of her fandom with his flirtation with fascism that having, 607 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: you know, just like a few months ago that everyone 608 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: seems to have forgotten about it. Don't we don't we 609 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: just forget like we just I mean we have we 610 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: have am like celebrity amnesias like oh that it doesn't 611 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: matter anymore, It's right, Yeah, it's funny. I mean, I 612 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,360 Speaker 1: don't know, I like I like artists that make me 613 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: do work like they make me think and I have 614 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: to go and research what they're saying, you know, like 615 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:27,879 Speaker 1: like Kendrick Lamar's latest single, I'm over here, like what 616 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 1: it is? Megatron? What is this? You know? I'm just 617 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 1: like I'm googling. I like that, I'm what is this? 618 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: And I feel, you know, important and smart. When I 619 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,399 Speaker 1: figured out it's like, that's like the ship that got 620 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 1: me into hip hop in the first place. It was 621 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: like trading cards, you know what I mean, Like, Oh, 622 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 1: this this ripper, you know, he he uses better for 623 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,359 Speaker 1: us like this, Oh man Wu Tang. You can't even 624 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,280 Speaker 1: understand what they're saying unless you got like an encyclopedia 625 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: next year. So I think that element definitely is missing 626 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: from things like these days. I mean, I guess I 627 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: gotta take that back a little. There's there's a lot 628 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 1: of people that are doing real dope stuff, but it 629 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,839 Speaker 1: just I never downplay how important it is to have 630 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: mainstream exposure when it comes to stuff like that. You know, 631 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: It's like it's gonna be hard for a kid to 632 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 1: see somebody who's wrapping the way that you're describing and 633 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: then aspire to do that if the ship is never 634 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: like in front of him. But that definitely could just 635 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: be some old guy talk for I mean, I'm, you know, 636 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 1: I'm I'm, I'm I guess I'm you know, I'm the 637 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:38,279 Speaker 1: middle aged millennial. I think I'm I'm not geriatric, but 638 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 1: I'm I'm getting up there. I'm in my mid thirties. 639 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,359 Speaker 1: And my son, he's eleven, and he's like listening to stuff, 640 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 1: and I'm like, that is what the hell is this? 641 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 1: This is not small? That is the thing, you know. 642 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: I mean, oh man, this is this, But I mean 643 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 1: that's the thing is like, it doesn't Maybe I'm just 644 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,400 Speaker 1: remembering stuff the wrong way. And I'm totally been to 645 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 1: like everyone having their blinders and their filters and biases 646 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 1: and stuff. But it's just like hip hop, even in 647 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 1: its most hedonistic form when I was a kid, wasn't 648 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 1: about being dumb, you know, Like that wasn't like that 649 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 1: wasn't a thing, you know what I'm saying. Even like 650 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,839 Speaker 1: the most gangster gangster I'm gonna kill a gangster wasn't like, yo, 651 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 1: I'm an idiot or ada. And I'm like, and I 652 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 1: think about my dad, Like my dad he's he's a 653 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 1: younger dad. He's in his fifties now, so you know 654 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 1: he had me pretty young. But like listening to rock him, 655 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 1: listening to jay Z, listening to the nas, you know 656 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 1: all I need this one. M I remember those songs 657 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 1: in the car and I'm listening to him now and 658 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:48,719 Speaker 1: SLA you're talking about like old school cats. You could 659 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: go back. Look if Nellie was the worst thing that 660 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 1: we had to listen to, how much better would be 661 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 1: if if if the worst, if the worst rapper that 662 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 1: you heard when you listen to the radio right now 663 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 1: was Nellie or like like we would be good, We 664 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,319 Speaker 1: would be good. And it's funny because I remember being 665 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 1: in high school and like clowning, Um, who was it? 666 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 1: Who did I keep the computers coputing? Yeah? And I 667 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:29,600 Speaker 1: remember being like computer and now you compare computers, compare 668 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:41,360 Speaker 1: computers like he was out here. Nellie is rock him 669 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 1: compared to these new dudes, you know, like straight up 670 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: and that is that is so not an exaggeration. Do 671 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:51,520 Speaker 1: you remember when like the like if you were to say, 672 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 1: what is an example of a whack rapper like Vanilla 673 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,920 Speaker 1: Ice and like mc hammers, like the default, if you 674 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,799 Speaker 1: that is the exam of what a whack rapper? Right, Well, 675 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 1: I've been rapping for eighteen years. Vanilla ice wraps better 676 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: than a lot of a lot of the So what 677 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 1: is a bad rapper? Then? You know? I don't. I 678 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:18,839 Speaker 1: listened to it and I said, I said, how do 679 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,000 Speaker 1: you how do you listen to this every day all day? 680 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 1: And he's like, well, I mean it's cool. You listen 681 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,919 Speaker 1: to the bet, you don't listen to the words. Don't 682 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:33,040 Speaker 1: what you said? Your son's eleven. He's eleven. I mean, 683 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 1: you know, and that's you know, and that's and I 684 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:41,360 Speaker 1: have you know, cousins and nephews that are you know, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, 685 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,680 Speaker 1: and they're listening to this and I can't even understand 686 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,760 Speaker 1: them at this point. There's no dictation, there's no enunciation. 687 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 1: It's just mush. It's like I'm like, no, I mean, 688 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,359 Speaker 1: you know, it's like I guess so that we don't 689 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,719 Speaker 1: go so this doesn't turn it into a geriatric millennial rant, 690 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that. It's like I would never argue 691 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,920 Speaker 1: with an eleven year old or like a thirteen year 692 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,799 Speaker 1: old on why they like the stupid things that they like, 693 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,720 Speaker 1: because they're third team, they're supposed to like stupid stuff. 694 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 1: And the thing that gets to me is when I 695 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: see grown men and women. Definitely we're gonna have to 696 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 1: have you back in continue this hip hop discussion. Absolutely absolutely. 697 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,839 Speaker 1: I'm glad I was able to keep up. I'm more 698 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,319 Speaker 1: of Anita Baker thing I can get. I can get 699 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:38,600 Speaker 1: real dirty with my hip hop. I apologize. No, this 700 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 1: is great, Well, thank you for coming. Let's close it 701 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,800 Speaker 1: off the way that we always do. Y know, my 702 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 1: homie Joel give a brother beat. Oh I love this one, 703 00:41:54,440 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 1: hot yo yo straight and see poor crazy little rapper 704 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,760 Speaker 1: name mc knife dropped out of college because my money 705 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,479 Speaker 1: didn't act right. I'm down to do this freestyle ship 706 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,799 Speaker 1: every damn night. You flow in the post. You must 707 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,759 Speaker 1: be smoking the crack pipe. Heartless representators. Built Design want 708 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,200 Speaker 1: to hang, but they can't match Build Design killed with rhymes. 709 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 1: I'm sort of like a lethal weapon when I jump 710 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,279 Speaker 1: into a cipher, I don't even need protection. Who you liking? 711 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 1: Who you checking? This ship is kindepressing, But tune in 712 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:29,440 Speaker 1: next week and I'll give you all the lesson. Yeah yeah, yeah, 713 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:36,400 Speaker 1: we're waiting. We wait in our reparation. I'm dope Knife 714 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,920 Speaker 1: and you are listening to waiting on reparations to see 715 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 1: you next week, waiting on reparations the production of I 716 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,839 Speaker 1: heart Radio. For more podcasts from my heart Radio, check 717 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,680 Speaker 1: out the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you 718 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 1: get your podcasts.