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Speaker 1: Unafraid Show Daily Live College Football Apostles.

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Speaker 2: It's your boy, George Riister.

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Speaker 1: That's that man, Ralph Amsden right there, and thank you

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Speaker 1: guys for joining us again.

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Speaker 2: Today's show is hot and heavy. Ralph.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you can see the steam coming

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Speaker 1: off of Ralph's head, but there is steam coming off

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Speaker 1: of his head. Because the ASU allegations with Antonio Piers

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Speaker 1: and all sorts of guys that I played with in

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Speaker 1: the NFL and against oh Man, this is crazy. Greg

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Speaker 1: Sanki he makes comments about the Super Team League, and

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Speaker 1: this is exactly why we need a college football commissioner

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Speaker 1: is because of what Greg Sankie said. Lincoln Riley talks

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Speaker 1: about eligibility and how many years that players will should

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Speaker 1: have being that we have all sorts of guys talking

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Speaker 1: about sitting out red shirtan and all of this, and

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Speaker 1: I think he makes sense the new Super Team League.

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Speaker 1: And how about feud. I love when people in the

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Speaker 1: media start feuding, because this is the new beef.

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Speaker 2: You know, we used to have rap beefs.

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Speaker 1: We just had Kendrick Drake, but now it is media

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Speaker 1: members going at each other. Oh and this time is

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Speaker 1: Nicole ahurback and Brett McMurphy, two people. I love their work,

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Speaker 1: but we are here for all the drama and the

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Speaker 1: Pac twelve new basketball league with Gonzaga and Grand Canyon

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Speaker 1: University and maybe Memphis and uh, of course we have

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Speaker 1: to talk about which new undefeateds are legit and we

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Speaker 1: got games this weekend. This is a jam packed show.

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Speaker 2: All of these things they helped the show grow.

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Speaker 1: Because this is the greatest college football show that you

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Speaker 2: Are you ready to go, Ralph?

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Speaker 3: I'm ready.

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Speaker 2: He's mad. We're gonna get to the ASU think in

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Speaker 2: a minute.

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Speaker 1: But I wanted to start with Greg Sankey's comments because

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Speaker 1: Greg Sanki the commissioner of the SEC. He was asked,

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Speaker 1: well to go back to last week's show just a

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Speaker 1: little bit. The Big ten and the SEC. We're having

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Speaker 1: a meeting and having a powow about and they didn't

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Speaker 1: invite the Big Ten. I'm sorry they didn't invite the

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Speaker 1: ACC didn't invite the Big twelve, because this is the

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Speaker 1: big Dog's talking. And what they decided. What the news

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Speaker 1: that came out of that was is that YO, with

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Speaker 1: this new fourteen team playoff, we want foot guaranteed four

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Speaker 1: spots for the Big Ten and for the SEC.

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Speaker 2: That's what we want.

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Speaker 1: And Greg Sanki was talking also talking about the idea

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Speaker 1: of a college football commissioner, and he said, quote, I've

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Speaker 1: studied it a little bit, and I come back to

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Speaker 1: I don't want to dumb down the Southeastern Conference to

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Speaker 1: be part of some super league notion with seventy teams

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Speaker 1: that people speculate what would happen. They want to be us,

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Speaker 1: and that's on them to figure it out, not on

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Speaker 1: me to bring myself back down to earth. Ooh, he

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Speaker 1: was like, and so I gotta unpacked, and we gotta

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Speaker 1: unpack this statement, Ralph, because this led me down. I

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Speaker 1: was like, this is exactly why we need a commissioner

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Speaker 1: in college football. This what Greg Sankie said. It exposed

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Speaker 1: it's the problem when we complain about the SEC and

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Speaker 1: eight conference games. This is what This is the reason why,

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Speaker 1: because he knows it is a distinct advantage. And we

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Speaker 1: are college football fans, we love college football and the

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Speaker 1: but a commissioner is tasked with doing what's best for

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Speaker 1: college football. Each individual school they are mercenaries and that

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Speaker 1: are part of a conference. So each school is trying

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Speaker 1: to do something. It's crabs in a bucket to keep

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Speaker 1: everybody else down and keep themselves up. Each conference the

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Speaker 1: same thing, hold the other conferences down while you stay up.

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Speaker 1: But in reality, is that what's best for college football?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: Is it best for college football that Vandy never ever

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: What's better for college football is when you have competition.

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Speaker 1: It's no different in business, it is no different in

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Speaker 1: getting better. Just in general and athletics, competition matters. And

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Speaker 1: he just exposed the fact that the SEC is trying

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Speaker 1: that because the NFL model is the right model.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. When I was typing up the outline to send

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Speaker 3: to you, I kept typing Greg Sanki and my autocorrect

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Speaker 3: kept changing it to snaky apropriate. Here's who Greg Sanki

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Speaker 3: thinks he is. Greg Sanki thinks that he is Kareem Abdulgaba.

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Speaker 3: That's what he thinks. In nineteen sixty seven, the NCAA

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Speaker 3: band dunking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah because of because one dude.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because of one dude, right, and that rule stayed

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Speaker 3: in place for nine years. Now, what happened because of

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Speaker 3: for like fifty years. That I mean that, that's the

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Speaker 3: But the truth of the matter is it's he doesn't

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Speaker 2: Yep, this is actually fear.

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Speaker 3: He's just Greg sink He's just a scared little boy,

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Speaker 3: because if he had to have nine conference games, he

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Speaker 3: calls that dumbing the SEC down. The SEC teams playing

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Speaker 3: each other is dumbing the SEC down.

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Speaker 1: Yes, big like uh Ralph, because that would mean and

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Speaker 1: we've done a whole study on this, is that playing

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Speaker 1: eight conference games versus playing nine conference games is a

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Speaker 1: difference of a half of loss more per team. So

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Speaker 1: you have an average of four losses per team with

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Speaker 1: eight conference games that have to be spread out throughout

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Speaker 1: the conference. However it happens, some people are going to

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Speaker 1: go undefeated, some are going to go lose all their

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Speaker 2: It is four and.

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Speaker 1: A half game, four and a half losses per team.

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Speaker 1: So in a sixteen team league, that is an additional

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Speaker 1: eight losses that have to be spread out. And that's

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Speaker 1: the difference in HMM Bowl eligibility for a couple of teams.

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Speaker 1: That's the difference between college football playoff spots. That's the difference.

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Speaker 1: And he knows that, and people have been fooled into

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Speaker 1: Like I don't want to sound like that, persons AC

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Speaker 1: is overrated. No, the idea that the SEC is so

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Speaker 1: great from top to bottom. No, they've just had the

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Speaker 3: And they I mean they are they are if if

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Speaker 3: you know, let's say that the you just played by

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Speaker 3: NBA rules here, the Western Conference is better than the

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Speaker 3: Eastern Conference. But it doesn't have it. It isn't what

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Speaker 3: you think it is, right, like you don't. There isn't

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Speaker 3: like a Western Conference commissioner that gets to take credit

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Speaker 3: for the fact that, like so many Eastern Conference teams

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Speaker 3: cities aren't where basketball players want to be. You know

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Speaker 3: that it has nothing to do with anything. Like the

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Speaker 3: SEC has a natural advantage in that it has access

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Speaker 3: and now especially with the inclusion of tech UH in Texas,

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Speaker 3: A and M. It has access to Florida, it has

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Speaker 3: access to Georgia, it has access to Alabama, it has

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Speaker 3: got all of them. Yeah, Louisiana, all these places where

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Speaker 3: where high school football is incredible, where the athletes are incredible.

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Speaker 3: Good for you, Good for you that you have all that,

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Speaker 3: But trying to take credit that it was like your

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Speaker 3: leadership or something like that. The whole thing is like,

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Speaker 3: bring me back down to earth, like I'm the I'm

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Speaker 3: the superstar, I'm the send it figure of all this. Greg,

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Speaker 3: I gotta tell you somebody, they don't need you at

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Speaker 3: all to be the best in football.

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Speaker 2: You didn't.

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Speaker 3: You didn't help Alabama win. You didn't.

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Speaker 2: You didn't.

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Speaker 3: You're not helping anybody win these big games. You're not

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Speaker 3: the one playing on the field. You have set up

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Speaker 3: a system where it's a little bit easier for the

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Speaker 3: rich to stay rich. That's it, and it not not

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Speaker 3: to be like it's not political like we need to

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Speaker 3: get billionaires to pay their fair share. It's not like

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Speaker 3: that at all. It's just if we're gonna call college

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Speaker 3: football college football, there should be some standard rules. And

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Speaker 3: instead college football is starting to look more like professional boxing,

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Speaker 3: where you've got like a WBO title and then a

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Speaker 3: different title and then all of these different weight classes. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 3: that UFC eclipses boxing and popularity because it's got a

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Speaker 3: unifying body yep, and they just.

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Speaker 1: Run in their bed fight that people want to see.

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Speaker 1: And Ralph, that is a great example comparing it to boxing.

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Speaker 3: Dude, you and you create opportunities for corruption. You create

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Speaker 3: opportunities for guys like Greg Sankee to get in there

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Speaker 3: and be the Bob Aram and say no, it's only

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Speaker 3: It reminds me, and I know we're on opposite sides

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Speaker 3: six years saying, you know, no, I want three extra

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Speaker 3: things if I'm gonna fight Manny Pacquiao, I want three

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Speaker 3: extra things that aren't in the rules, if I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: do this. A unifying body would not have let Floyd

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Speaker 1: Or it would have made it it was Oh, if

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Speaker 1: it was Dana White, they would have fought a long

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, Dana White would have had his goons hold you

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Speaker 3: like that. And that's what And so I understand that

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Speaker 3: Greg Sankie probably thought that he felt like he probably

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Speaker 3: He's probably feeling himself. But he comes off like a

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Speaker 3: scared little boy. He really does. It's not what you

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Speaker 3: think it is. It's not what you think it is

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Speaker 3: that you have your team's playing Mercer and Tennessee Tech

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Speaker 3: in the Citadel and Chattanooga in November.

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Speaker 1: That and that's what I'm saying, rough, is that that's

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Speaker 1: not what's best for college football. We only get twelve

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Speaker 1: opportunities to watch our teams play, to watch college football, guarantee,

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Speaker 1: and why on Earth? And I do understand the concept

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Speaker 1: of buy games and we support that, but there should

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Speaker 1: not be more than two of.

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Speaker 3: Them, and they shouldn't come in November.

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Speaker 1: Correct, because them coming so late in the season messes

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Speaker 1: up the rankings and the evaluation process of teams.

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Speaker 2: So well, and the FCS teams that have to go

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Speaker 3: But first they got to worry about trying to block

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Speaker 3: Walter Nolan, Like come on, man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's a it's a bad it's a bad setup.

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Speaker 1: Now you got twenty twenty games left. See I okay.

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Speaker 2: What do you think that, I'm not mad.

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Speaker 1: Like North Carolina, you you are trying to block trans

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Speaker 3: he gave to the last quarterback he signed. But he's

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00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 3: also owner of the Milwaukee Bucks. And guess who else

439
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 3: is listed as a as a founding member of the

440
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 3: College Student Athlete League, Mark Lazari, another co owner of

441
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 3: the Milwaukee Bucks. There are I think there are like

442
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 3: twelve people that are listed that are part of this.

443
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 3: Another one of them is Danny White, the athletic director

444
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 3: for University of Tennessee. Yes, yeah, so, I don't know.

445
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 3: There's some interesting names on here. Uh and and it's

446
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 3: an interesting idea. Now, would I do any thing involving

447
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 3: involving Jimmy Haslem? That that's too well, it's twofold. It's twofold,

448
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 3: because what do you always say? Uh uh, everything's for sale?

449
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 3: Everything just ain't on sale? Yes, is that you're that

450
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 3: you're saying? Right? So, I'm I compared to Jimmy Haslem,

451
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 3: I'm I'm as broke as broke gets. I'm I'm living

452
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 3: in the slums of moon By compared to I'm sure

453
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 3: with one phone call he could convince me to endorse

454
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 3: this league.

455
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: Ralph, Ralph, if you get a two million dollar checker,

456
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna be all in on this league.

457
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 3: I will, Oh my gosh, I'll get Grant Hill's face

458
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 3: tattooed over my face. Oh my gosh, No, it would.

459
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 3: But it is a decent idea. It is a decent idea.

460
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 2: Oh there.

461
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: And and we we pride ourselves on being honesty, brokers

462
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: and all of that stuff. But in being an honesty broker,

463
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: you do have to admit that, like, all right there,

464
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: like you said, everything is not for sale, well everything's

465
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: not on sale. Well everything is for sale, but everything's

466
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 1: not on sale, So that there is like that this

467
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: is not something that's going to hurt people. So there

468
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: is a price where unafraid show could get behind this idea.

469
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, and you know me, I think

470
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 3: you can speak for me on this. If there's anybody

471
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 3: you know who doesn't care about money, it's probably me. However,

472
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 3: people keep asking me for this money that I don't

473
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 3: care about for my kids, saxophone lessons, for football equintment.

474
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 2: So this thing I don't care about people keep asking

475
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 2: me for.

476
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 3: I'm starting to realize that there might be a reason

477
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 3: that other people do care about this thing. At the moment,

478
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 3: I am not on saye. But but yeah, I'm sure.

479
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 3: I'm sure that I'm sure that if I saw something

480
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 3: with a bunch of zeros behind it, I might I

481
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 3: might get a little hypnotized.

482
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 2: But it's not a bad idea. Anything that facilitates being

483
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: able to sign student athletes into enforceable contracts where they

484
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 2: get to share in the revenue is something I'm going

485
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 2: to be more interested in than the current structure. Yep,

486
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 2: it is.

487
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 3: It just happens to be that when I see Jimmy

488
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 3: Haslam's name on something, I'm like, gives you the it, Okay,

489
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 3: hide the yeah, hide the valuables. He's leaving here with something,

490
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 3: so you know, it makes me wonder what he thinks

491
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 3: he can get out of it. But I mean, this

492
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 3: man is like sixty five seventy years old, Like it's

493
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,959
Speaker 3: you know, maybe maybe he actually does care about the

494
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 3: about the health, or maybe it's just all about University

495
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 3: of Tennessee because the University of Tennessee might believe that

496
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 3: all other things being equal, that they would just dominate everything.

497
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 3: And maybe they're right, look at their recruiting lately. But

498
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 3: I just I don't know. It is a it is

499
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 3: a very very interesting idea. Would you support this model

500
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 3: over the current NC double.

501
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: A Yes, yes, pretty pretty much anything over anything that's

502
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: going to create a single league. I am in it

503
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: in some way, shape, form, or fashion. But it was

504
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: Nicole Arbak who I first saw that tweeted that out.

505
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: But her and Brett McMurphy have been in a fight

506
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: this week, and this is over technicalities.

507
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 2: This is a journalist fight.

508
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: Because Brett McMurphy tweeted that Gonzaga was going to be joined.

509
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: I think he tweeted it on September twenty third, if

510
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, that Gonzaga was going to be joining

511
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve and all and everybody came out of

512
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: the woodwork, Oh they're not joining the PAC twelve and

513
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: ronious report. Oh look at this dummy in this idiot.

514
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it was pretty much to that extent, right,

515
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: mm hmm it was.

516
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 3: And yeah, you got everyone piled on John Rothstein, Canzano, Uh,

517
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 3: Nicole Airbach, they they all, they all jumped on him.

518
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 3: And Nicole has a has a previous beef with him

519
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 3: over the mel Tucker firing. So he said mel Tucker

520
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 3: is gonna get fired and she was like, well, he's

521
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 3: not fired yet.

522
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: So it was the exact same situation.

523
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: Oh and oh yes, yeah, yeah, because he did tweet

524
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: Oh wait is mel Tucker fired yet? Because because so.

525
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: And the reason why that's a technicality is because in

526
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: a lot of these states, the way the coach's contracts

527
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: are set up is is that you can't immediately fire them,

528
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: even if even if they were caught on tape punching

529
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: his wife for or pushing a baby down the steps

530
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: or anything. You can't fire him immediately. You have to

531
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: essentially put them on leave. The same thing is true

532
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: in some police departments and other sectors of the world too,

533
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: where you can't fire them immediately even though everybody in

534
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: they mama knows that you're going to fire them. There's

535
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: a required cooling off period or whatever it's called in

536
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: certain states where you have to put them on leave,

537
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: and then once that seven days, ten days, fourteen days,

538
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: twenty one days, whatever the requirement is, is fulfilled, then

539
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: they terminate the person. So and I don't know what

540
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: the mechanism, I mean, the reason for that is, but

541
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: that's the reason why it actually happens. But this beef

542
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: between the two of them over technicalities is interesting because

543
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: she's like, well, the whole point of this is were

544
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: you right at the time? And I would say that

545
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: Brett was right at the time, it just wasn't finalized.

546
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: And like, have you guys ever noticed that we get

547
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: these interesting that we get these very interesting tweets from

548
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: like Feldman, who when somebody is taking a job he tweets,

549
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: oh it looks like Oregon is considering hiring Dan Lanning

550
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: and then an hour later Oregon's hiring Dan Lanning. Like

551
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: so he words it very interesting, but he but he

552
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: won't tweet it until it's done, essentially.

553
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, or like WOJ would be like it looks like

554
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 3: the seventy six ers have zeroed in on Ben Simmons, Yeah,

555
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 3: or something like that, like zeroed in on but they

556
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 3: didn't make the selection right, correct.

557
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,719
Speaker 1: So I like the people who say something. That's the

558
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: reason why I like Brett McMurphy. Think he does a

559
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: great job and you know, and he's not afraid to

560
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: tackle them, to tackle people. Just why I like Pete

561
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:11,479
Speaker 1: Damil because he will go after even people Ralph that

562
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: that he has to get breaking news from.

563
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. And what this feels like to me is it

564
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 3: feels like it feels like religion. Right, it feels like

565
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 3: Protestants arguing with other Protestants, and you know the difference

566
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 3: between Baptists and Methodists. This is the church of journalism.

567
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 3: And technically Nicole Arbach is correct, like you don't report

568
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 3: something has happened until it has happened. But the problem

569
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 3: is that's not what Brett McMurphy did in this instance,

570
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 3: he said, Gonzaga is leaving, which is a like a

571
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 3: future tense thing, And it really felt like she was

572
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,959
Speaker 3: probably still mad about the mel Tucker thing and brought

573
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 3: it up again. You know, they were going back and forth.

574
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 3: But it wasn't just her that that when you know,

575
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 3: on this whole Gonzaga thing, and the thing that made

576
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 3: it really funny is Nicole Arbach took a shot at

577
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 3: Brett McMurphy said, why don't you go back to wishing

578
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 3: coaches happy birthday? Right, Like, why don't you go back

579
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 3: to sucking up to get your scoops. The funny thing

580
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 3: is one of the people that went after Brett McMurphy

581
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 3: for filing this report that Gonzaga was going to the

582
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 3: PAC twelve was John Rothstein. And John Rothstein's emails all

583
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 3: got linked leaked and his text all got leaked, and

584
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 3: he wishes every coach in America happy birthday, to stay

585
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 3: in constant communication with them for scoops. So even the

586
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 3: people who were on Nicole Arbox's side of this practice

587
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 3: some of the things that she talked about, I'm sure

588
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 3: she's friendly with some of her sources.

589
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: Yes, do you realize how crazy that that is and

590
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: how diabolical it is. Ralph, If I only text you

591
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: when I need something or when I want something, how

592
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: are you going to react after the first couple of times.

593
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 3: I'm I'm gonna feel like a lady of the night.

594
00:35:59,280 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 2: Yes.

595
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: So you can't just have people feel like you just hey, hey, hey,

596
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: bend over.

597
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 2: No, no, hey I'm here today.

598
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 1: No, man, you there's a certain element of it's not

599
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: sucking up, it's just oh, okay, cool, I had an it.

600
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: You have to create moments of interactions with people that

601
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: aren't when you need something.

602
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels What's what's crazy is it kind of

603
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 3: feels like it mirrors. And I'm sure you've had some

604
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 3: of these conversations in your marriage when it's like, hey,

605
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 3: you know, your wife's like, hey, garbage disposal and you're like, yeah,

606
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 3: I'm on it. Now you are going to be on it.

607
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 3: But there's not a timetable there. Correct, You're just gonna

608
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 3: be on it.

609
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 2: You believe, you believe, you know that.

610
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 3: You're gonna get to it. And when she asks again

611
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 3: in three weeks and you say I'm on it, she

612
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 3: canna be like, no, you're not is it done? You know,

613
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 3: so like, yeah, technically she's right, but I'm on it.

614
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 3: It's happening, It's going to happen. I'm going to get

615
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 3: to it, you know. I'm sure that. I'm sure that

616
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 3: in Brett mc murphy's desire to be first on this information,

617
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 3: breaking this news that he believed would happen, you could

618
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 3: say yeah, but it's not official, so can you actually

619
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 3: say it? And I wonder if he had changed one

620
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 3: or two words to say like Gonzaga's planning on leaving

621
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 3: or whatever. But the interesting thing is how this is

622
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 3: going to affect the weird new version of the Pac twelve,

623
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 3: which is still going to have football but seems to

624
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 3: really be gearing itself toward basketball.

625
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so with the addition of Gonzaga, the possible addition

626
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: of Grand Canyon and Memphis, because the reports are now

627
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: that the teams that said they were staying in the

628
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: American or the Mountain West or whoever, that they.

629
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: Are considering that they're reconsidering.

630
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: And remember the Memphis ad was like, yo, the finances

631
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: didn't make sense, But now they trying to sweeten the deal.

632
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 1: And yeah, so I do believe that Memphis is getting

633
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: out of the American Big because they wanted out of

634
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 1: the American into the ACC or the Big twelve. They

635
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: didn't like that they got snubbed when the Big twelve

636
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: expansion happened, because that's where they really wanted to go.

637
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: A basketball league, the best basketball league in the country,

638
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: and you would be in a good spot in football,

639
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: your revenues would go up.

640
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 2: They wanted that and they didn't get it.

641
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: And they're trying to figure out if the PAC twelve

642
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: is their next stepping stone to get to where they

643
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: really want to be.

644
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 3: And the PAC twelve needs what one more football school

645
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 3: yep to remain.

646
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, well they.

647
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: Have one more general member one, so it can't be

648
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: football only. It's got to be another general member in

649
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: all sports. Well obviously not all sports, but there's a

650
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: certain amount of sports that you have to because you know,

651
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: all schools don't have all sports.

652
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 3: So yeah, the new PAC twelve feels to me like, uh,

653
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 3: I don't know. I went to see Earth Wind and

654
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 3: Fire and it was like one original member of like

655
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 3: an eleven person band. That's kind of what it feels

656
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 3: like to me. Or it feels like the new Marvel Avengers,

657
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 3: where you're like, wait a minute, Captain America's black now

658
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 3: and he's the Falcon, And Robert Downey Jr. Is a

659
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 3: different character, He's not iron Like.

660
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird.

661
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what the new PAC twelve feels like. But

662
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 3: it will be a viable basketball league if they can,

663
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 3: if they can get.

664
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: It's the power five status without snatching up some of

665
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: that ACC talent when the ACC breaks up, if they're

666
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: gonna get the the what they really really want. But

667
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: now the thing, oh, Ralph, I can see the steme

668
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: has cooled from your head a little bit because we

669
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: have not talked about it, and we got all these

670
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,439
Speaker 1: other directions. You had started to light up in your

671
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: in your face, but now we got to get to

672
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: the nitty gritty, buddy, and now I can see your

673
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: your your face is starting to turn red. And it

674
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: is because Arizona State new violations, which we knew about

675
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: already have been revealed, and people called us crazy. They're like, oh,

676
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: it's not that big of a deal. This this and

677
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: this and and all of that. Yeah, it should be

678
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: a big deal.

679
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 3: Do you want to explain to the listening audience who

680
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 3: might be new to college football? Apostles what our particular

681
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 3: history is with this story.

682
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 2: Oh oh, so, I said.

683
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 1: So we were on the show and we tweeted out

684
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: that there, well, I tweeted out that there was going

685
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: to be bombshell allegations.

686
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 2: I put the the.

687
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 1: Mushroom cloud, and it would have been if there were

688
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: like a commissioner. However, the way that this has bread

689
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 1: crumbed out over the years, because we have now found

690
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: out that one of the investigators passed away, so that

691
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 1: put a reset on the investigation.

692
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 3: And we're forty months out. We're forty months out from

693
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 3: your tweet.

694
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 2: Damn those three years ago, almost four months ago, so.

695
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: And so, and now today we get the show caused

696
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: violation for eight year show cause for Antonio Pierce, who

697
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: I played with with the Giants where I had a

698
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: cup of coffee up there, known him for a while.

699
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, the wide receiver coach who he played

700
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: at Arizona State de Yeah, Derek Hagan, who I know, Well,

701
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 1: what do you get a ten year show cause?

702
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 3: Yeah?

703
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 2: And at what did Adam Brenneman get or is he

704
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,240
Speaker 2: not in there?

705
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 3: Well, he's not listed anywhere in the report, so you

706
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 3: can assume what that means.

707
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 2: And remember Adam Brenneman is Princess Gill in there.

708
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, yeah.

709
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 1: So sway so out of the coaches that Arizona State

710
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: actually fired, the only one that's not in the report is.

711
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 3: Is Adam Brenneman, someone who happens to be a very

712
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 3: good storyteller in his current profession.

713
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: Yes, oh so Adam Brennanman went so so he got immunity,

714
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: That's what I'm not subject. This is clear he went

715
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: in there and and granted I'm not mad at him

716
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: because Adam Brennanman's career is blossoming, and he was like

717
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: this appears to be a guy like that. And I

718
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: have to phrase this in a way that doesn't make

719
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: things just so obvious, but uh, there.

720
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 2: Is a.

721
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: Let's just say it's obvious that there's a reason why

722
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: he's not named in there when he clearly participated in

723
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: things that happened. I mean, this is just a natural assumption, right, Yeah.

724
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 3: And I will say this too for context. For context,

725
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 3: you won't see me beating up on Adam Brenneman. And

726
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 3: here's why he was the same age Cam Rising is

727
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 3: now when all this is going down.

728
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was and when you have somebody and

729
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: remember we talked about this about Antonio Pierce. Antonio Pierce

730
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: is not cut out to be a college coach. Is

731
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: he cut out to an NFL like the NFL because

732
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: you don't have these sorts of rules and recruiting violations

733
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: and all of this stuff. Because he's a by any

734
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: means necessary, I gotta do what I gotta do kind

735
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: of got that's suited for the NFL and the professional leagues.

736
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: So he's not suited for college football. And I would

737
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: say that to his face, considering that there are so

738
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: many rules and byo, you know, intricate things surrounding it,

739
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: that just ain't the place for him. He should be

740
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: in the NFL, which is where he is. But when

741
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: he was, the way that he was in power in

742
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: Arizona State and the way that they were forcing things

743
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 1: in and forcing people to do things that they knew

744
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: were going to could come back and bite him in

745
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: the ass or put their careers in jeopardy. And it

746
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: was okay because college football coaching is one of the

747
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: hardest professions to break into, period. So when you get

748
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: your foot in the door, you can't just be like no,

749
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: because because if you get fired as a GA or

750
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: quality control coach, how are you.

751
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 2: Gonna get another job?

752
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 3: You got no reference?

753
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 2: Yeah none.

754
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,479
Speaker 1: If that's your first job, that's gonna be your only

755
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: job if you get fired, and.

756
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 2: You could hate the person you work for.

757
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 3: And there's a there's a current position coach at University

758
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 3: of Arizona who worked at Arizona State. He's got a

759
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 3: kid in the NFL. He worked at Arizona State for

760
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 3: a year. He hated Todd Graham so much, hated that man,

761
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 3: hated him and still had to go out to all

762
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 3: these high schools and tell kids you got to come

763
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 3: play for Todd Graham. That's a spot to be because

764
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 3: that's an ager of the job.

765
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: That's an ague of the job.

766
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 3: But what's what was very interesting in this case is

767
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 3: Herm Edwards gave Antonio Pierce his shot right, made him

768
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 3: a position coach, and within I'm imagining this happened pretty quickly,

769
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 3: Antonio Pierce noticed that Herm Edwards has literally no idea

770
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 3: what he's doing, no idea like mister Magoo style, no clue,

771
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 3: completely clueless, And it does not it does not upset

772
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 3: me that Antonio Pierce took the wheel because someone's got

773
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 3: to take the wheel. You have to in that situation,

774
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 3: you have to. So I don't blame Antonio Pearce for that,

775
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 3: But Antonio Pierce fired a bunch of Arizona State assistants,

776
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 3: one of which Charlie Fisher was a head coach at

777
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 3: a college program, stepped down to compy HERM Edwards wide

778
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 3: receivers coach, coached back to back first rounders in Nikhil

779
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 3: Harry and Brandon Ayuk, and then they fired him to

780
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 3: bring in Prentice Gill because Antonio Pierce realized, if I

781
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 3: give a bunch of people their very first gig, they

782
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 3: will have to be loyal to me. So a twenty

783
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 3: five year old Chris Hawkins, a twenty five year old

784
00:46:54,520 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 3: Adam Brenneman, Prentice Gill Hawkins.

785
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,439
Speaker 1: His dad runs Ground Zero, which is a big time

786
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: seven on seven program.

787
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 3: Hawkins talked, and I think he's his is still twenty

788
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 3: twenty eight, so it's a four year deal. Prentice Gil

789
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 3: talked and one of the things that they mentioned is

790
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 3: that Antonio Pierce told them if you get caught doing

791
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 3: any of this, it's cool. I'm rich. I'll take the fall.

792
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 3: I don't need this job anyway. But then when it

793
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 3: actually all went down and somebody sent a dossier to

794
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 3: the NCAA, which is how you know we found out

795
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 3: about it. We broke the news right before Pete Damil

796
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 3: and that was a mess, and I don't want to

797
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 3: relive that.

798
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 2: But it.

799
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 3: When that all happened, they all lost their jobs, and

800
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 3: he stayed on for another year with his mouth shut

801
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 3: and let all them take the hit. So he did

802
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 3: not he And what's even crazier about this and you

803
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 3: can read it, it's sixty seven pages. They brought in

804
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 3: like thirty five recruits during COVID dead periods, took them

805
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 3: to the gun range, took them bowling, partied with him,

806
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 3: took Jade and Daniel's mom and the parents of her

807
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 3: recruit to a strip club, made one of the recruiting

808
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 3: staffers drive them there and be the designated driver. Flew

809
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 3: to Florida and visited with some kids and paid for stuff,

810
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 3: got one of the assistant equipment managers to give free

811
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 3: stuff to everybody. Unbeknownst to the equipment manager at the time,

812
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 3: that person got a heavy show cause Dereck Hagen refused

813
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 3: to testify on behalf. He got a longer show cause

814
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 3: than Antonio Pierce did. He got ten years. Zach Hill

815
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 3: got hit with one. He ended up having to go

816
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:37,919
Speaker 3: to the high school level. You know Zach Hill. He's

817
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,959
Speaker 3: with the Seahawks now. Antonio Pierce is obviously head coach

818
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 3: to the Raiders. Herm Edwards is on ESPN, where Pete

819
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 3: Thamil also works, who broke this story. It seems like

820
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 3: everybody made out fine except for those assistants who were

821
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 3: brought in to do Antonio Pierce's bidding. And then the

822
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 3: funniest part about this is in the dossier Herm Edwards

823
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 3: was like, yes, I met with recruits during COVID. I

824
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,760
Speaker 3: only did it to talk to them about the dangers

825
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 3: of COVID. And it reminds me of that line from

826
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 3: The Simpsons of like I was only in there to

827
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 3: get directions on how to get away from there. You know,

828
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 3: I don't know it's anyway, it's super, super messy. It

829
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 3: has me pretty pissed off in Antonio Pearce that like, yes,

830
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 3: it's obvious you had to take the wheel because Herman

831
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 3: Edwards had no idea what he was doing. But you

832
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 3: should have some loyalty to the man that gave you

833
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 3: a shot, and you ruined his reputation. Not that he

834
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 3: deserved his reputation, he didn't, but you ruined his reputation.

835
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 3: And you messed over a lot of young people trying

836
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 3: to break in and you're not going to see any

837
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 3: consequences for it. And and that's extraordinarily unfortunate when you

838
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 3: look at how how the justice of this situation was

839
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 3: doled out, the penalties for Arizona State. I'm not bitter

840
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,919
Speaker 3: or mad about it. I promise when you get caught,

841
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 3: you get caught. It is what it is. I'm mad

842
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 3: that he was so bad at cheating, so ridiculously brazen

843
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 3: about it, that there's no way he would have not

844
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 3: gotten caught.

845
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:12,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and okay, so as we so. Chris Cartman

846
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: from was it the Rivals, No though the two four

847
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: seven Arizona State, he tweeted about site. He tweeted about it,

848
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 1: and somebody responded, Yo, makes you wonder what the elite

849
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,439
Speaker 1: schools are doing, and don't get caught. That's one way

850
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: to recruit, taking parents to a strip club class act.

851
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 2: No, no wonder. He got the good players the uh well.

852
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 3: So in this dos in the in the breakdown I

853
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 3: guess they did get a sit down to the Antonio peers,

854
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 3: and a lot of the stuff he got in trouble

855
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 3: for was lying in these interviews because they already had

856
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 3: testimony from other people. But one of the things he

857
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 3: said is like, well everybody was doing it, so I

858
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 3: figured why not. And it's like, but you don't know,

859
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 3: you don't know that for sure. And so when this broke.

860
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 3: The funny thing about it was like David Sean knew

861
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 3: about it. Mario Christobal knew about it. Knew because I

862
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 3: talked to you, so I knew.

863
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 2: I talked to.

864
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: Mario Christabaal the day that I tweeted that right, talked

865
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: to him that that day, and he was like, we

866
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: all we all knew, Like we all knew what was

867
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: going on, that what Arizona State was doing during COVID,

868
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: they knew. And but the coaches aren't gonna dye each

869
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: other out. They're just like, okay, I see you, so

870
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: you know, so if I violate something, my double dog

871
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 1: dare you decide? I double dog dare you to say something?

872
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 3: What's interesting is not. Adam Brenneman is not the only

873
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 3: name that's missing from this, but Dave Christensen, who Dave

874
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,280
Speaker 3: Christensen was the offensive line coach, former head coach at Wyoming,

875
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 3: former O C at Missouri, like one of the originators

876
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 3: of the spread. He was the O line coach at

877
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 3: Arizona State, and he had Kevin Mawai working under him. Yeah,

878
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 3: Kevin Mawai played Jets and UH and for a year. Yeah,

879
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 3: he's a Hall of Fame center. They said. For years,

880
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 3: Arizona State told every single recruit Dave Christiansen is retiring

881
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 3: when you get to ASU, Kevin mcwaii is going to

882
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 3: be your coach. And then when it came time to

883
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 3: make that hiring decision, understanding that Antonio Pearce is in

884
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 3: charge of all hiring and firing at Arizona State because

885
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 3: again HERM Edwards magoo complete McGoo, no idea what's going on,

886
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 3: doesn't even know what day it is, right, So when

887
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 3: it comes time to make the decision to replace Dave

888
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 3: Christiansen with Kevin mawaii, who is another close personal friend

889
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 3: of HERM. Edwards, Antonio Pierce makes the decision that like, no,

890
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 3: we're not, We're not going to make that switch. We've

891
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 3: been telling everybody who's going to happen for years. Right,

892
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 3: So what they did instead is they hired somebody from

893
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 3: the NFL to come and replace Dave Christiensen. Well, that

894
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 3: person came, spent two weeks, two weeks, two weeks at

895
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 3: ASU and was like no, thank you, and took Kevin

896
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 3: Mwai back with him to the Indianapolis Colts. So the

897
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,720
Speaker 3: program when all this broke, blamed Kevin Mwai and said,

898
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 3: this is definitely the dude who had to have dined

899
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 3: us out as like a vengeance thing. Yeah, but the

900
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 3: truth is there was like twenty people on staff who

901
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 3: all hated Antonio Pearce, and Dave Christiansen was one of them.

902
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,240
Speaker 3: Dave Christiensen spent three years telling everybody that Kevin Mwai

903
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 3: was going to replace him, and Dave Christiansen retired right

904
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 3: around the time the dossier broke, drove straight to Salt

905
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 3: Lake City and hung out with his buddy Kyle Whittingham. Hmm. Interesting,

906
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 3: So it wasn't It wasn't Kevin Mwai. It was a

907
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 3: large group of people, which is how I found for me, buddy,

908
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 3: And I told you there was a large group of

909
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 3: people that hated Antonio Piers, hated that he had multiple

910
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 3: cell phones, hated that he went out and did a

911
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 3: bunch of self promotion and photo shoots. They knew that

912
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 3: he was bringing recruits in. They knew that he was

913
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 3: effectively stealing equipment and goods and committing NCUBA violations with him.

914
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 3: They knew he had an inappropriate relationship with a very

915
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:26,280
Speaker 3: prominent player's parent who was paying for all of the visits,

916
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 3: and Antonio Pierce was was giving them that money in

917
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 3: cash to recuperate. Shout out to Regina Jackson. And they

918
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 3: also knew. They also knew above everything else that when

919
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 3: Asu hired Antonio Pierce, he was in deep, deep trouble

920
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 3: for one hundred cars going missing at his car dealerships.

921
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 3: So they knew all this and they were mad at

922
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 3: Antonio Pierce. It was only a matter of time before

923
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,720
Speaker 3: you had a fracture because Herm Edwards wasn't controlling anything.

924
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 3: And in the DOSSI or in this NCAA report, it

925
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 3: says every week her Medwands would sit down with them

926
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 3: and say, make sure you are complying to a group

927
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:08,919
Speaker 3: of people who were all cheating under his nose at

928
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 3: the hest of Antonio Peers.

929
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this is the uh yeah, and like herm.

930
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: Edwards looks better and better as this hap like. I

931
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 1: think that he was just too trusting.

932
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 3: He's Grandpa handing out worthers. He was he he wasn't

933
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:30,240
Speaker 3: to anything.

934
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

935
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 3: He spent the whole first two years of his tenure

936
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 3: at Arizona State honoring his radio commitments. He was doing

937
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 3: radio hits about the Kansas City Chiefs. In Kansas City,

938
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 3: he was getting up at four thirty am to lift

939
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 3: to jazz music. He had no understanding of the time

940
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 3: commitment it was going to take to run a college program.

941
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 3: Somebody was going to have to take that over. And

942
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 3: Antonio Pierce made that decision, a business decision, we'll call it.

943
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 2: And it was.

944
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 3: You know, he was not good for business in the

945
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 3: long run for Arizona. The truth is they him I

946
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 3: But for Antonio Pierce, it worked. He's now the head

947
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 3: coach of the Raiders. So are you ever are you

948
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 3: ever gonna come out with your uh Antonio Peers related

949
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 3: conspiracy theory? Are we gonna hold that one in the

950
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 3: back pocket?

951
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 2: Now, we're gonna We're gonna We're gonna hold that one

952
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 2: in the back pocket? Fail? Yeah?

953
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Hey, and the cold part is See, this

954
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 1: is why discretion is important because there are things that

955
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: me and Ralph talk about off camera off air that

956
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 1: are Let's let's take for instance, remember on when Lashawn

957
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 1: McCoy and the Seawan Dashawn Jackson they're on this podcast

958
00:56:54,080 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: together and Lashawn McCoy tells this story about out the

959
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: Kimbai Mutumbo and you know, some chick and he was

960
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: cheating on his wife and all of this stuff. That's

961
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: nasty work. I don't care what podcast that is nasty work.

962
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: That is despicable, low down dirty behavior. Especially like it's

963
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: different if you if you're like I'm telling this story

964
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: I love on moral high ground all the time.

965
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:26,439
Speaker 2: That ain't true.

966
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: So so there are things that we talk about off

967
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: air that are not for public consumption because it's nasty

968
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: work like that. And so I have no and I'm

969
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: not talking about Arizona State in general. I'm just saying

970
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: just in general that there are things, as it relates

971
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: to college football and all of this stuff that we

972
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: keep close to the best, that we that are important

973
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: because that they're notable things and that people talk about

974
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: in the whispers. But these aren't things that you should

975
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: be you know, bringing up because it's just not it's

976
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: just not right. I think that there has to be

977
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: some sort of like boundaries about this thing. Even though

978
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: people do really want to know what's in the sausage factory,

979
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: sometimes you don't want to know what's in the sausage factory.

980
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 3: So how do you feel about And because I'm I'm

981
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 3: a big Derrek Haagan fan. My wife had classes with

982
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 3: him at ASU. I was a big fan of his,

983
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 3: and yeah, but so he he this is his alma mater.

984
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 3: Right for everybody else involved, like Antonio Pierce went to

985
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 3: u of A. So for everybody else involved in this,

986
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 3: it wasn't necessarily like it was for Derrick Hagan, where

987
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 3: it was like, man, if I go and I talked

988
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 3: to the NC double A, it's going to make my

989
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 3: university look bad. So he eats a larger penalty than

990
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 3: everybody else. Do you respect that?

991
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: Yes, dude, because h so, so do you remember when

992
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: Real Sports was doing the investigations on college football and

993
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: oh wait, whether it was Real Sports or you know,

994
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: they talk, oh guys getting paid and all of this stuff.

995
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: So I got so when I was in college, we

996
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: got investigated by the NC double A. Me Sammy Parker

997
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: Ontario Smith. We all had to talk to the NC

998
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: double A about some alleged like jerseys getting sold and

999
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: all of this stuff.

1000
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 2: And and then.

1001
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 1: Fast forward years later to the real sports thing. I

1002
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 1: get a call like, yo, do you want to come on?

1003
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: Here's how much it's going to be. I'm like, listen,

1004
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: I got nothing to say. I know nothing, like I

1005
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: have nothing to say, and I do believe that that's

1006
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: the way that Derek Hagan did it. Now, mind you,

1007
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: I didn't have anything to say. Still don't have anything

1008
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 1: to say. We'll never have anything to say about things,

1009
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: especially things I do not know anything about, but so

1010
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 1: speak on things that I have no knowledge of, but

1011
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:10,439
Speaker 1: of well you know so.

1012
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 2: So I do.

1013
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: Anyways, Yes, so I understand what Derek Hagan is doing.

1014
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 2: I understand it.

1015
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: And because there's not a I don't know how much

1016
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: money it would take for me to to like not

1017
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 1: be able to go back to Oregon.

1018
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 3: Well, let's call jimmyas them.

1019
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: Well, and you know what, it was funny because I

1020
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: saw this meme and it was talking about families and

1021
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: it said Ralph, because you have siblings, so and a

1022
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: brother in particular who is amazing. So it said, you

1023
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 1: if you get five thousand dollars per week, but you

1024
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 1: can't talk to your sibling for ten years, would you

1025
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 1: take that money? And I sent it to my to

1026
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: my sisters and they were like, George, would you would

1027
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 1: you want me to take the money?

1028
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 2: That was the response back.

1029
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 1: And then another one said that your mom has to

1030
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 1: go to jail for a year or no, no, your yeah,

1031
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: mom has to go to jail for a year, prison

1032
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: for a year, but you get ten million dollars.

1033
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 2: What do you? What do you? What are you doing?

1034
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna talk to my mom. My

1035
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 1: mother would walk herself in jail and because she wouldn't

1036
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 1: know when she got out in that year, my mother

1037
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 1: would have ten million dollars.

1038
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 3: I want you, I want you to present me with

1039
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 3: either one of those two situations right now out Ralph, Well,

1040
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 3: I can't with your mom because your mom passed away.

1041
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 3: So no, but I gotta I got step mom, I

1042
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 3: gotta step I got a replacement.

1043
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 2: Okay.

1044
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 1: I gotta say, okay, route, your step mom has to

1045
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 1: go to jail for a year, but you get ten

1046
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: million dollars.

1047
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 3: Yes, oh, ten million dollars. Okay, I just said yes regardless.

1048
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: All right, no you can't. You can't speak to your

1049
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 1: sibling for ten years. But you get five thousand dollars

1050
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: per week.

1051
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 3: That would mean that I have already fulfilled the obligation

1052
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 3: and I will expect the amount in full in my

1053
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 3: bank account. Right now.

1054
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 2: You were like, that ain't no problem. I did that before. Yeah,

1055
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 2: we already, we already.

1056
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 3: Haven't talked like ten years. No, my family's cool. My

1057
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 3: family's cool. We're just uh, we're just like, uh, just

1058
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 3: like your family. We got we got our stuff. But

1059
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 3: shout out to Susie. She's a nurse. She's out in

1060
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 3: South Dakota doing her thing, and if she had to

1061
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 3: spend a year in jail to to cash a ten

1062
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 3: million dollar jack, she would do that time. She is

1063
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 3: a hard worker, Yeah she would.

1064
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: All right, Let's get to the games of the weekend though.

1065
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: So first game up, we have Michigan at Washington and

1066
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 1: oh actually before even met Ralph, can you give us

1067
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: the totals?

1068
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 2: Where are we at? Because am I far behind you

1069
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 2: right now?

1070
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 3: So you entered in last week at eleven and ten.

1071
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 3: We gave you a bonus pick. You went three and three,

1072
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 3: So you're fourteen and thirteen right now.

1073
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 2: Damn. Okay.

1074
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 3: I went two and three, which put me at sixteen

1075
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 3: and ten. I'm a little bit concerned that I have

1076
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 3: these numbers incorrect though. Well, you were no hold on,

1077
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 3: so I was going in the week. I was fourteen

1078
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 3: and seven. That's twenty one. You were eleven and nine.

1079
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 3: You were eleven and nine.

1080
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 2: Okay.

1081
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 3: So you went three and three, so you're fourteen and twelve.

1082
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 2: Okay.

1083
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 3: I am sixteen and ten. So you were two games off.

1084
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I'm not that bad.

1085
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 1: So the first game up that we're gonna pick, we

1086
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: have Michigan at Washington. Washington is a two and a

1087
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 1: half point favorite.

1088
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 2: Ralph.

1089
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: I was shocked when I saw this line. I thought

1090
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 1: Michigan would be favorite after talking to Jordan Reffitt on

1091
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 1: the show, talking about the five games and really dissecting

1092
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 1: what was going on at Washington. Their quarterback Will Rodgers

1093
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 1: has not thrown an interception, but they have.

1094
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 2: Been terrible against the run.

1095
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 1: Because we watched the Rutgers game, Michigan can't throw the ball,

1096
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: and I do not understand why people like usc in.

1097
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 1: The Michigan game was in two high safeties at times there.

1098
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 1: That makes zero sense to me. I am going to

1099
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 1: because alex Orgy either cannot throw the ball or they

1100
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 1: refuse to throw.

1101
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 2: The ball with him.

1102
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: If I am Washington, Ralph, I am going to I

1103
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 1: am taking Washington minus.

1104
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 2: To two up.

1105
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 1: Sorry plus, I'm not actually, Oh damn, that means they

1106
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 1: gotta wines. I'm gonna take Washington for the upset, Ralph.

1107
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,959
Speaker 1: I believe that I hope Jed Fish in this team

1108
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:37,959
Speaker 1: is going to just play zero coverage and double dog

1109
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 1: Dare alex Orgy to beat you with his arm.

1110
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say that Michigan is a bad four

1111
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 3: and one and Washington is a good three and two.

1112
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 3: And here's what I mean by that. Washington, when they

1113
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 3: get inside the thirty, they have no idea what they're doing.

1114
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 2: Yes, they've been bad, they have no problem getting to

1115
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 2: the exactly and so I believe they'll figure that out.

1116
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 3: They dominated Rutgers and lost. They've depended way too much

1117
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 3: on Grady Gross and then it turned around to bite them.

1118
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 3: They should be five and zero right now. They have

1119
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 3: been a very very good football team and the results

1120
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 3: don't reflect it. They're kind of like the opposite of

1121
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 3: Texas Tech. Texas Tech has been a bad football team,

1122
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 3: and they're winning most of their games. I will say

1123
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 3: that Michigan's win over Fresno State now looks ridiculous since

1124
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 3: UNLV just dropped sixty on Fresno State. They almost choked

1125
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 3: away the game against Minnesota and an officiating mistake kept

1126
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 3: them from losing. Yes to Minnesota. Yes, and USC came

1127
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 3: back on them to take the lead. And if USC

1128
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 3: had any, you know, any ability to stop that ten

1129
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 3: play ninety yard drive that Michigan went on to ultimately win,

1130
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 3: then they would have won that game as well. So

1131
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 3: I am not a big believer in Michigan right now.

1132
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 3: They're doing what it takes to win games. That's fine,

1133
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 3: But I believe very much that Washington is the reason

1134
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 3: Washington has lost twice and it wasn't Rutgers. You know,

1135
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 3: they outgained Rutgers by like two hundred some yards.

1136
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1137
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think if they get their issues figured out,

1138
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 3: like the running a pitch play against Wazoo or to

1139
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 3: win the game, or after.

1140
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 2: You get a missed field goal, don't run on the field.

1141
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:41,919
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, So I don't know. I think I think

1142
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 3: they'll figure it out. At Washington, and I think that

1143
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 3: Michigan's works will start to show up. So I'm gonna

1144
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 3: take Washington.

1145
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: One hundred because Michigan is averaging eighty three pass yards

1146
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 1: per game over the last three games.

1147
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 2: Eighty three That is.

1148
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 1: Behind the Triple Option Service academies as well. So just

1149
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 1: just so you know, all right, Uh, Missouri at Texas

1150
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 1: A and M tex AEM is uh so when I checked,

1151
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:17,680
Speaker 1: it was a two point line. Now it is two

1152
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 1: and a half points. Tex A and them is given. Well,

1153
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 1: tex ANEM is favored by two and a half points. Uh,

1154
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 1: this game is in college station. I don't trust Texas

1155
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 1: A and M, but I also trust Missouri less Like

1156
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 1: they didn't look good versus Vanderbilt, they didn't look good

1157
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 1: versus Boston College either, And I think that obviously that

1158
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 1: that they're better that Tech A M is better than

1159
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 1: both of those two teams. This I dropped Missouri in

1160
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:57,680
Speaker 1: the Unaffraid Show rankings, And yeah, I think that this

1161
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 1: is gonna be a big fat l They're of a

1162
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 1: few and it's time to get them up out of

1163
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:07,680
Speaker 1: the out of that even playoff conversation.

1164
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, Brady Cook is by far the best quarterback in

1165
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 3: this matchup, Missouri has the better running game. They pressure

1166
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 3: the passer better. Texas A and M is great, great

1167
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:27,759
Speaker 3: at home, but they are depending on a backup quarterback,

1168
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 3: a young quarterback, and Brady Cook just yeah, and Brady

1169
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,599
Speaker 3: Cook just kind of took a dump on Kyle Field.

1170
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw that what he say.

1171
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 3: He's like, our practices are louder than their games or

1172
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 3: something like that. So if if Missouri's coming in with

1173
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 3: that attitude and they have not looked as good as

1174
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 3: i'd hope that they would look, but the defense is

1175
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:53,759
Speaker 3: still even losing their DC. The defense is still legit,

1176
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 3: so h And Brady Cook has yet to have that

1177
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 3: breakout game. He's only got four touchdown passes so far,

1178
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 3: but he's not turning ball over. I hate picking against

1179
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 3: Texas A and M at home, but you kind of

1180
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,720
Speaker 3: have to, if you just being logical, you kind of

1181
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 3: have to.

1182
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. I want to go with Missouri.

1183
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:14,719
Speaker 1: I just don't trust him and but I trust Texas

1184
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 1: and them even less so. But I still am gonna

1185
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:21,879
Speaker 1: take Texas A and M and just cross my fingers. Okay,

1186
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 1: all right, next game up Old miss at South Carolina.

1187
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:31,759
Speaker 1: Oh lord, have mercy, Ralph, uh, this line has fallen.

1188
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 1: It started at ten and a half. I believe for Texas.

1189
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 1: For Old Miss, they fall into number twelve, even though

1190
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 1: that they are number twenty two in the Unafraid Show rankings.

1191
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 1: And South Carolina they get their quarterback Sellers back after

1192
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 1: he got hurt in the oh that game that they

1193
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 1: should have won against LSU, and that was another game

1194
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:58,759
Speaker 1: that South Carolina just literally blew.

1195
01:10:58,840 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 2: That game.

1196
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 1: They had a pick got called back because you hit

1197
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 1: the quarterback that was the game sealer. And now Old Miss,

1198
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:09,560
Speaker 1: after losing to Kentucky last week, is headed out there, Ralph,

1199
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 1: give me South Carolina and give me them nine points.

1200
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 1: Everything about it said screams a lock of the week

1201
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 1: for me.

1202
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 2: South Carolina.

1203
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 3: I want to believe in Ole Miss. I think you

1204
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 3: picked them to be one of your college football playoff representatives,

1205
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 3: but they're not. Jackson Dart had the opportunity to have

1206
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 3: his Heisman moment, he didn't ye. I don't know they're

1207
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 3: gonna have to deal with a mobile quarterback either way.

1208
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 3: I don't think the North Sellers is playing. But Robbie

1209
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 3: ash Ford, that's a big dude, and he you know,

1210
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 3: he'll he'll run with the ball. It's not an easy

1211
01:11:56,000 --> 01:12:01,640
Speaker 3: place to go and get a win. Give me, I

1212
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 3: just want to be opposite. You will give me all.

1213
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:09,560
Speaker 1: Miss Okay, So right now Leonora's Sellers is listed as questionable.

1214
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:15,599
Speaker 3: I think your camera went out, George.

1215
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 1: Next game up, Miami at Cal Ralph. This is a

1216
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 1: game that I'm looking forward to because this is essentially

1217
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:27,799
Speaker 1: pac twelve after dark, and I know it's gonna get freaky.

1218
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 1: Like Miami fans think that they're just gonna walk in

1219
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:35,599
Speaker 1: there with a seven thirty pm Pacific time kick and

1220
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 1: it all be good. Listen, it took days for their

1221
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 1: equipment truck to just get across. They they gonna have

1222
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 1: to they even gonna get their equipment back until the

1223
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 1: middle of next week. And they think that everything is fine,

1224
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 1: that everything is okay, that you're just gonna walk over

1225
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 1: there with a ten thirty body clock kick and nothing

1226
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:58,639
Speaker 1: weird is gonna happen. They don't understand, Ralph. They don't

1227
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:03,120
Speaker 1: understand they have stepped in to the calgarithm and this

1228
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 1: is a their favorite by ten points and this is

1229
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 1: upset city. Buddy, this game. I give me cal give

1230
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 1: me the plus ten. Actually, this is the lock of

1231
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:17,719
Speaker 1: the day that I got two. I got a double lock.

1232
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 1: You're in a bad neighborhood, huh, I got to double

1233
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 1: lock the car.

1234
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 3: Yes, So I'm I'm with you. I'm going with Cal

1235
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 3: just on vibes. I know cam Ward tore up tore

1236
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 3: up this Cal defense twice when he was with Washington State,

1237
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:40,240
Speaker 3: but he made a lot of mistakes in those games too,

1238
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 3: and one of them he actually cost them the game.

1239
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 3: But like you said, that's the full cam Ward experience.

1240
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 3: He is as good as it gets.

1241
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 2: They have not experienced it.

1242
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 3: Nope. And on the road at Cal with college game

1243
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 3: day there, that might actually be the time. It's not

1244
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 3: gonna hurt my feelings if Camboard and Miami stay on

1245
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:03,799
Speaker 3: this tear though, because it's it's a it's an awesome story,

1246
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 3: and I love Camboard, but I like Cal. I like

1247
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 3: Cal a lot. I like Fernando Mendoza, Miami native. For

1248
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 3: Fernando Mendoza, Jay not hasn't got going yet. He hasn't

1249
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:16,639
Speaker 3: had his game that he needs to have this year

1250
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 3: to prove that he's the man. And I think that

1251
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 3: this is going to be the game where they do it.

1252
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 3: So give me cal plus ten.

1253
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 1: Ooh ooh, all right, I'm taking cal plus ten. This

1254
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 1: feels like a layup to me, wide open layup, dude,

1255
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 1: and next game up s MU at Louisville.

1256
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 2: Our guy, Tyler Shuck. Tyler's damn it? Did? I did

1257
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:44,839
Speaker 2: I say it correctly?

1258
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:46,679
Speaker 3: You did? You did?

1259
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:49,680
Speaker 1: It's confusing, dude, because I don't want to mess up

1260
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 1: his name anymore. I promised I would get it right.

1261
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 1: Tyler Shuck.

1262
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 3: You're shuk about Shuck.

1263
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm shook about Shuck and his Louisville team is

1264
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:00,760
Speaker 1: six and a half point favorites in this game. I

1265
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 1: like Louisville to win this football game. SMU has been

1266
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 1: on a tear since they switched their quarterback to Kevin Jennings.

1267
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 1: And but I think this Louisville team is too much

1268
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 1: and like they lost to Notre Dame by a touchdown

1269
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 1: and it's because they turned the ball over. Like they

1270
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 1: didn't even allow Louisville's offense to be great, I mean, sorry,

1271
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 1: Notre Dame's offense to be great. And SMU's offense has

1272
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:31,320
Speaker 1: been completely different with the switch at quarterback. But I

1273
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:33,799
Speaker 1: do believe that they come back down to Earth today, buddy.

1274
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they made the switch at quarterback, but

1275
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:39,599
Speaker 3: it's not like Kevin Jennings is doing much. They're running

1276
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 3: the ball. They're running the ball like crazy. They have

1277
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 3: one hundred and eight points over the last two weeks,

1278
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:48,360
Speaker 3: and that's not necessarily a Kevin Jennings thing. So I'm

1279
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 3: a Tyler Shuck fan obviously. I think that Louisville is

1280
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 3: very good. They only surrendered two hundred and eighty yards

1281
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 3: to Notre Dame. They should probably feel like they should

1282
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 3: have won that game. Yes, Louisville is awesome at home.

1283
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 3: They are just awesome at home. And a really cool

1284
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 3: thing about this game is this is the first time

1285
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 3: that Tyler Shuck has played five straight regular season games

1286
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 3: since twenty twenty since he was at Oregon. Injury kept

1287
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 3: him from doing that in twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two,

1288
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:16,759
Speaker 3: and twenty twenty three at Texas Tech. It's the reason

1289
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:19,599
Speaker 3: that he's still in college football because he's been beat

1290
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 3: up a lot.

1291
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:23,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I've made it over the If he

1292
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:26,639
Speaker 1: makes it out of his game healthy, he will probably

1293
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:28,639
Speaker 1: feel like a relief, like, oh my god, I made

1294
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 1: it past the Mason Dixon line.

1295
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I I you know, it's funny because we

1296
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 3: kind of had written SMU off after looking bad against

1297
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 3: Nevada and getting beat by BYU.

1298
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 2: What turns out b Yu is very good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so yes, actually, like a premier college football game,

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Speaker 3: give me the line one more time. I'm just gonna

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Speaker 3: do it right off.

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Speaker 2: Louisville and a half. Louisville favored by six and a half.

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Speaker 3: Do it, give me SMUs Louisville wins by Oh.

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Speaker 2: That could very well happen. That little hook got me

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Speaker 2: hooked up too.

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