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Speaker 1: M L. King Is in episode three forty nine. Really

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Speaker 1: first time we got to hang out with her. We met,

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Speaker 1: good and at an unfortunate circumstance leading into it, which

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Speaker 1: even though that the situation was not pleasant for anybody.

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Speaker 1: But L is here and just to look back at

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Speaker 1: L real quick worth a shot is her new song

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Speaker 1: with her and Dark spent Ley. Here you Go. So

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Speaker 1: they're back together and I stay back together. They did

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Speaker 1: different for girls together back into which I can't believe

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Speaker 1: it's been that long, can you? I mean, it's I

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Speaker 1: guess pandemic brain? Six years? Is that right? Is that? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: It's like when we started this podcast. That's been six years,

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Speaker 1: six years since that song. That can't be right? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that song is six years old. Now. Wow, she had

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Speaker 1: a big old smash. It's her song with Miranda Here

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Speaker 1: is Drunk and I Don't Want to Go Home and

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Speaker 1: a couple other number ones here and then I'll let

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Speaker 1: you look that up, Mike. But x Is and Os

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Speaker 1: was the number one alternative song and Shame was the

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Speaker 1: number one alternative song. Yea, so yeah, I looked at

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Speaker 1: up Mike and I'll talk that's that bizarre, bizarre bizarre.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, so you're gonna like it. We talked about

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Speaker 1: it all and I just leave it there. We do

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Speaker 1: talk about it all. I just enjoyed spending some time

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Speaker 1: and it's just one on one and they're like, what's

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Speaker 1: happening here? But L was good from the from the

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Speaker 1: get and so I loved it. Check her out at

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Speaker 1: L King Eat l l K, I n G check

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Speaker 1: out a new song and enjoy this hour. All right,

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Speaker 1: we are here with L King, which the I guess

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Speaker 1: the worst part about doing a show from your house

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Speaker 1: is that if things break, you have to fix it yourself.

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Speaker 1: When I'm at the radio show, so the breaks that

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Speaker 1: then I come back and it's fixed. Like ten minutes

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Speaker 1: before you got here, the air went out, so we

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Speaker 1: frantically try to call you to go what do you

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Speaker 1: want to do? And you much more of a chance

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Speaker 1: than I am. Ready to piece out. I just go sitting.

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Speaker 1: You said let's do it, and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: she's tougher than I am. I didn't want to she

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Speaker 1: made me sound okay, well good, Well neither one of

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Speaker 1: us then no, I actually can't tell. So okay, well

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Speaker 1: we'll give it. We'll give it about ten minutes or so. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So it's really good to see you. I think we've

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Speaker 1: met briefly a couple of times, like on the side

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Speaker 1: of things. Yeah, right, because I don't know that we've

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Speaker 1: like hey, yeah, I think I like said hi to

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Speaker 1: This is the first song. So would that have been

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Speaker 1: like You're maybe not first, but like your biggest, most

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Speaker 1: she's doing this song with Dirks, So how did that

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Speaker 1: all come together? Just how did you get? Like how

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Speaker 1: different spacecraft? How did you how did Jews arrive? And

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Speaker 1: and and when? And why? Um? Well, I was riding

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Speaker 1: this guy named Dirk's Bentley wants wants me Dirks Bentley, Ellie,

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Speaker 1: You're about to not only be on the radio and

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Speaker 1: And I think maybe they would have told you that

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Speaker 1: But that isn't all I am, right, And so you

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Speaker 1: like listen to that pop song and cry while I

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00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 1: worked out. I don't work out anymore, but when I did,

428
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 1: I would listen to that song. I want to play

429
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 1: and take a little side step here. This is l

430
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 1: with dirks. This is worth a shot. Anyone here shot shot?

431
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,159
Speaker 1: So does dark So you want I mean, do you

432
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 1: have a free coupon? That's like I would think You're like,

433
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 1: all right, I did that song. It's quite the hit,

434
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 1: like whenever I'm ready, I'm going to cash this in.

435
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 1: No oh come on, no no no, no, no, no, no,

436
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 1: no no. This was um, it was like a it

437
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 1: happened very quickly. Um My, My whole the whole process

438
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: of this record was Um, it's just kind of organical,

439
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 1: Like it really did happen super organically. And I'm learning.

440
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: I'm still every day I'm continuing to learn, like how

441
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: different it is to be in country music. And two, um,

442
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: there's there are no fans like country music fans, and

443
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: they're like their lifelong fans and you have to kind

444
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 1: of prove it to them and once you do, then

445
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 1: they love you. And um, and so when the whole

446
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 1: thing was you know, Drunk came out and UM, I

447
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 1: got signed to a signed with a second label, Sunny Nashville,

448
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 1: and UM they're like, well, okay, how are you gonna

449
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: we'll we'll play it on the radio, Like how are

450
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 1: you going to follow it up? Like why should why

451
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 1: should we play drunk? And UM said, okay, well let's

452
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 1: make any b And then the EP came together and

453
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,719
Speaker 1: it was like really really, I mean it's really good.

454
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,199
Speaker 1: So they said make a whole record and I was like,

455
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: I mean, twist my arm. So it kind of came

456
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: up out where Worth a Shot was a song that

457
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 1: was going to make it on Dirk's record, and I'm

458
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 1: I'm making the record with Ross Copperman, and UM, he

459
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: just said, well what about this? And we were just

460
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 1: laughing like well what if Dirk's sang on it? And

461
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 1: I also feel like I couldn't make a country record

462
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 1: and not kind of pay my respects of I mean,

463
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,439
Speaker 1: not only did he bring me into this, but change

464
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: my life in so many ways. And he's a wonderful

465
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: friend and we genuinely enjoy being around each other. He's

466
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 1: very funny, and UM, when you do things like this

467
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 1: with a friend, some of these things can feel like work,

468
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: and when you do stuff with someone like Dirk's, it's

469
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 1: you know, your stomach herds from laughing and and it's

470
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just but I had to text

471
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: him and ask him. But did you just go hill

472
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: and be like, hey, did you have both of them?

473
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: I mean that's what I went on. I've been like, hey,

474
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 1: Drks forever. Yeah. She was like, no, you need to

475
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 1: text him. So she takes gonna ask him classic Okay,

476
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: that's that is very much on brand for her because

477
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: she would still make you do it yes, And what's

478
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: the message that you Because even though you know he

479
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: os yeah, you don't have to say yes to that.

480
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: But even though he does, you have a coop one,

481
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 1: you still have to ask and it's awkward. It is awkward.

482
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: What do you say? Do you? Do you text it?

483
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: Do you voice memoir like I do? So it won't

484
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: stay around. People can keep those, yeah, but they don't.

485
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 1: They forget. They're always keep everyone like two minutes later

486
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: like oh I should keep that, and then it's gone.

487
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: I pressed keep before. Never So do you just text

488
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: andally like, hey have a song you want to be

489
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: on it? Um? It's different when you, I mean you

490
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: have to. Like when I texted Miranda for a drunk

491
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 1: it was a different text with Dirks, it was still

492
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,959
Speaker 1: like I fault mortified because for me, I value like

493
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,439
Speaker 1: our our friendship and I have some severe paranoia of

494
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: growing up with you know, a famous dad um that

495
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: I never want to be a take. I never want

496
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: to be a taker. I never want to seem like

497
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: I don't like users. I don't want I don't need

498
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: any I don't want anything from you. If you're you know,

499
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: if I become friends with you, it's like that's enough.

500
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: But if you did want to do this, you know, um,

501
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: it's always like, hey, I love you. I heard that

502
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: you didn't want to like put this song in your

503
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: record like Ross gave it to me. Maybe if he'd

504
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: be interested, like what you want to sing on it

505
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 1: with me? No pressure, absolutely no, I promise you can

506
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: say no. Heck, i'd say no, that's I don't want

507
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: to do it. There's no way I'd want to do

508
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 1: this to me. But if you do, yeah, and so

509
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: how long until he goes yes? Um? He sent me

510
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: a very like a video of him going WHOA, Yeah,

511
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,239
Speaker 1: I want to do it. Yeah, I'd love to but

512
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: that's Turks, you know. And I guess he had some

513
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: familiarity with the song. He knew it, yeah, and we

514
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: changed the key so he had and he even did

515
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: a higher harmony. I mean, he's just his voice is

516
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: very incredible, and I think that we sound good together.

517
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 1: And Dirk's wouldn't do it if he didn't want to.

518
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 1: He's enough going on. I do want to talk about Drunken.

519
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to go home if you play that one, Mike.

520
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: I mean massive, just massive over in this world, and

521
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: holy crap, congratulations because it's one of those rare ones

522
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: that's so big that it's a unicorn that you see

523
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: maybe twice a year, and it's one of those. But

524
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: I guess I wonder what your relationship was with Miranda

525
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: before this, if you had one, And because that's one

526
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: that I would think would be a little more difficult

527
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: if you don't have that relationship, or easier because you

528
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: don't have the relationship, because you can just avoid the

529
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 1: rest of your life. That's I'll be like, oh, you

530
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: said no, I'll never see you again, right, Yeah? Yeah.

531
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: I wrote drunk with Martin Johnson when I was twenty four.

532
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: That really so years ago wild Yeah, we wrote uh,

533
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: I had two days to two session days with him.

534
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: We wrote America Sweetheart, which is a song off my

535
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: first record that I mean should have I think she

536
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: should have been a country song, which, by the way,

537
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: that one I know that one too really well. Was

538
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: that after or before record? Okay, so because I guess

539
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: maybe which was first as a single where America Sweeter

540
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: was never single. I thought America Sweeter it was gonna

541
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: be single. I thought Drunk was going to make the record. Um,

542
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: I just had different I didn't I didn't know that

543
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 1: I had to say um, and it just kind of

544
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 1: takes life to teach you um. And but I'm glad

545
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 1: that it didn't because I had a manager that didn't

546
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: want me to be pop and so he really had

547
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: no idea kind of I probably shouldn't be thought of this,

548
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: but he really tried to bury that. And I was like, man,

549
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: that's gotta kick ass song and and so. But I

550
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: still hadn't had my confidence in writing rooms yet. So

551
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: Drunk that I always thought was like, dang, that's a

552
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: massive chorus. But I hated the verses and um, it

553
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: took me. I mean, I don't want to age my self.

554
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: But I was probably twenty four and then how many

555
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: years ago? I know, I'm all over the place right now.

556
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: So we were sitting on that song. And then the

557
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: last like three or four years, I signed a Red

558
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: Light and I've been working with Mary and I was like, Mary,

559
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: I've got this song that's like like we have we

560
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,239
Speaker 1: got to sell it to a DJ or something. And

561
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: Martin and I hadn't spoken in years, and out of

562
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: the blue, um, he texted me and he was like, Hey,

563
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: would you want to sing on a song on my record?

564
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: And I was like, yo, you got it. Funny you

565
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: texted me because I think that we should rewrite the

566
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:35,479
Speaker 1: verses for Drunk Now. This is I met Miranda through Dirks.

567
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: Dirks brought Miranda to one of my shows, I think

568
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: Marathon Works or Marathon Music Works. Yeah, and um, and

569
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: I met her and like, I like, I was embarrassed

570
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: because I was learning about in years and I felt

571
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,479
Speaker 1: like I did a bad job. And um, here's like

572
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: the super megastar and I may not know much about

573
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: country music, but I know who she is, and um,

574
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: she was really cool and really nice and um, and

575
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: then I see her kind of like at award shows

576
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: because Dirks and I got nominate for Grammy and I

577
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: was kind of like, hey, what's up. And then I

578
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: was doing nothing in country For two years. I was

579
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: opening for like rock rock bands. I was opening I

580
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: did like a very long tour with Heart and Joan

581
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: Jett and Brandy Carlisle was on it. And then I

582
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: Miranda asked me to be direct support for Roadside Bars

583
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: and Pink Guitars and um. So we would kind of

584
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: hang every night, and then she had, you know, we

585
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: did the food round and film left thing and so

586
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,719
Speaker 1: every night at the end of the night, we'd all

587
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: get up on stage and then she's got Wanda this

588
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: like trailer that's a bar and loud music and just

589
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: to hang and it's like her tours like the dream,

590
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: you know, makes everyone feel welcome, and so we kind

591
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: of just became cool. And then you country tours are

592
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: so smart because you do like Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and

593
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: then you wake up on the bus Nashville and Sunday

594
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: and you can have a few days with your family.

595
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 1: So I would come back and I was writing with

596
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: Martin and we rewrote Drunk in fifteen minutes, and um,

597
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: me and Mary were just talking and like, what if

598
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: it's a duet? What if we asked Miranda? And I

599
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: was like, well, how do we ask Miranda? Girl? You

600
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: gotta text her. You need the sender of the song.

601
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: You need to just do it. I was like shaking, hey,

602
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,719
Speaker 1: just like I love you so much, like I'm already

603
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: I missed you from the tour and thank you so

604
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: much for everything I have this song. And I said

605
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: to her, it's true. I said, you're the only person

606
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: I'm asking if if you say no, it's not going

607
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: to be a duet. Like I'm so grateful for the tour,

608
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,719
Speaker 1: it was so much fun, Like if you would at

609
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: all be interested in doing this, like let me know,

610
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: and if you don't like it, lie to me. So um,

611
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: she didn't tasket me back for a whole day, and

612
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: the next day she text me back and she said

613
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: that it was really catchy and she heard her husband

614
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: singing in the shower and so she said yes. And

615
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: neither of us. I knew it was a big chorus,

616
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: but we were going to go to pop an alternative

617
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: with it. I didn't, neither of us. We still laugh

618
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: because we're like we did not think that it was

619
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: going to do what it did, um, which is a

620
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: beautiful thing. And uh, that song alone taught me so

621
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: much about allowing things to have life of their life

622
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: of its own, and it's really helped me to like

623
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: not put pressure on things and kind of give room

624
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: for I don't know, sometimes things to do it themselves.

625
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: My wife is she just listened to a lot of

626
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: Tipperary countries. She grew up in Oklahoman, listened to a

627
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: lot of two thousand's country. Now she's very much into

628
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: emo pop type thing. And but she came in the

629
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: other day and she was like, hey, you know my

630
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: new jam is. I was like, what's that. She goes, well,

631
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: it popped up on like my emo pop playlist. I

632
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: was like what. She was like drunk and I don't

633
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: want to go home. And I was like, that's just

634
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: not getting to you. She was, well, I don't listen

635
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: what you do, I said, it only it only comes

636
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: to me through this way. She was like, that's a

637
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: good song, huh. And I was like, yeah, it's a

638
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: really good song if you're asking me eight months ago

639
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: when I was listening to it, I said, but it's

640
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: great that it's still living right, like it's It's it's

641
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: the life of it is still new to people because

642
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: it is still such a good song. It is growing

643
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: now in other places that's not just country, which is

644
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: kind of the which is kind of where it started

645
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: in a place that didn't really have a home in

646
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: a good way, Like it was just art that you

647
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: had written and you didn't really have a genre name

648
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: or it was it was all for my first record.

649
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: I wouldn't bring guitar to these sessions. I brought my banjo.

650
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: I was just like a banjo chick. You were the

651
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: banjo a chick that is that is wild? You know

652
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: my perception. I'll just be honest with my perception. He

653
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: is completely different than what I'm experiencing now because this

654
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: is what I've felt when you came to town you

655
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: did the song with Dirks that you were massive L

656
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: a star. You you and I think this is how

657
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: a lot of people feel because they don't know you.

658
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: So I'm glad that we're actually able to sit down

659
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: for and have the extended conversations Massive L a music

660
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: star who have heard on pop radio or satellite or

661
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: you know, do you know who is probably thinking she

662
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: doing country music? Favor is really good at this as

663
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: all these massive shows, and you know she'll be here

664
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks and get her hit and

665
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: bail out like that because you came from and it's

666
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: not Now you learn it's not even that world. Like

667
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: you had your own version of the musical world you

668
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: were living in. I was completely wrong about where you

669
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: were coming from from. Most people are about me, to

670
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: be fair, and I think what is great is now

671
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: we get to learn why our understanding was off. First

672
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: of all, that you spent a lot of your life

673
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: one to eleven and then back and forth in you know,

674
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: southern Ohio. I have friends that are from there. That's

675
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: as rural as it gets. Like your influenced by everything

676
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: country music included in that um. And then again, I

677
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:46,919
Speaker 1: just thought you were a big l a music star

678
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: coming to grace this with the presence and then chunk deuces.

679
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: But two and I mean this in the best way possible,

680
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 1: but too here and understand that you were in your

681
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,280
Speaker 1: own version of finding yourself at the same time time

682
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: still am me too write that is a different picture

683
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: that I'm read that I'm repainting of you. And I'm

684
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: glad I got to hang out and learn that version

685
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: because I just thought, well, all right, she's gonna come

686
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: do us favor. Hop down here, do a couple of hits,

687
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: and get out of town and go back to our

688
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: fancy schmancy Los Angeles. No, I live on a farm

689
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: in Rhode Island, by the way, So you live on

690
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: a farm too. I have no idea who she is.

691
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: Like every it's all misconception. King is misconception. At this point,

692
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: she had no idea. Um, okay, well that is good

693
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: to know. Not that it matters, but I think that

694
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 1: I I think even with your dad being famous, I

695
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: think we thought, oh Richard Hollywood kids, A lot of

696
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: people think that, yeah, and I don't. Yeah, And I

697
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: would understand why because and I saw that. I saw that.

698
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: But my childhood had two like, like very big extremes.

699
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: I had a dad that was I mean in the

700
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: early two thousand's forget even SNL. I mean, yeah, I've

701
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: got some memories of being backstages Saturday Night Live. You know, Um,

702
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,399
Speaker 1: I didn't spend a lot of time with my dad

703
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: and your biological father, yeah, my dad Rob, Yeah, I

704
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: didn't spend a lot of time with him and I

705
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: would see him, you know, he would get me for

706
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: like a little bit of time. But I spent a

707
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: lot of time with his mother, my Filipino grandmother recently

708
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 1: passed on, and um so I saw very different lifestyles.

709
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: Um Uh. My dad was like a really big movie

710
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: star in the early two thousand's and it was interesting

711
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 1: to see. Um. But then my mom's side of the family,

712
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 1: which is why I go by King because that they

713
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: raised me. And um, I don't know, I if you,

714
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: if you go through southern Ohio, you'll I don't know,

715
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: I don't really know how to explain it, but like

716
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: that's what home is to me, and um, I appreciate it,

717
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: and I love to home my family. My family still

718
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: lives there. Um So, I don't know, it's it's it

719
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: was an interesting way to grow up to see both extremes.

720
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: Um I'm glad that I had it because I saw

721
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: what like I saw what can happen with fame, and

722
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: I saw what can happen with money. And I I'm

723
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: always like a watcher. I like I take everything in

724
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: almost to like a paranoid point. Um But I'm glad

725
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: that I saw a lot of that. You know, my

726
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: quick version of why I'm asking this question is, I don't.

727
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: I didn't have a dad. My dad left when us five,

728
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: until I was thirty three, until I chased him down myself,

729
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: I didn't. I had no relationship and so so we

730
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: were estranged for a long time. It doesn't sound like

731
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 1: were you guys are stranged at all through your childhood. No,

732
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: so he was still your were able to be a

733
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: fan of his work because he didn't resent him. It

734
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: was just you would see him at times because I

735
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: resent in mind terribly, Um, do I have daddy? Is

736
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: he was like not asking as a kid? Did you?

737
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: Were you angry? Happy that he was your dad? Like,

738
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,439
Speaker 1: what's what's the year old I'll think about her dad

739
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: being famous? Yeah, I mean I I still have a

740
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: lot of um. I mean I've done a lot of

741
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: therapy in my life, UM, which has really helped me,

742
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: like unload brick by brick of the crap that we

743
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: carryer old lives. Um. But yeah, like I resented him

744
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: a lot. I love me and my dad have a

745
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: like a good relationship now and I love him a

746
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: lot and I appreciate him and um him having young

747
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: children really kind of I don't know it helped our

748
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: relationship and um, but yeah, I was a very I

749
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: was a really really angry teenager. Um, I was. I

750
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: was labeled a bad kid. But I think it was

751
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: just now that I'm a mother, I can understand like

752
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: you just labeled them bad kid instead of thinking like,

753
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: well maybe their needs aren't being met or like what

754
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: is going on with them, or like what do they

755
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: not have that is nurturing them? And um, for me,

756
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: a lot of it was like I felt like my

757
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: dad didn't like want, like he was like embarrassed of me. Um,

758
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 1: because I was like a chubby teenager and my mom's

759
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: this beautiful model and my dad is just like funny,

760
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: goofy comedian but cares very much about what he has

761
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: to look like on screen because that's his career. And

762
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: so it was. It was a weird thing. I was

763
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: like the chubby, goofy kid and nobody, no one expected

764
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: me to get any level of success at all, um,

765
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: because of the I'll do think the bad kid that

766
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: you were not even the bad kid, more like the

767
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: like the fat kid, like the goofy kid. I went

768
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: to a lot of schools. I got kicked out a

769
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: lot of schools I was. I wasn't a very good kid,

770
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: and uh, I don't know. I just always played music.

771
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: And I mean I had residencies in Brooklyn at like

772
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 1: sixteen seventeen years old, and my my mom was supportive.

773
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: She'd helped me. She care my guitar and whatever. But

774
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: like nobody thought that out of all, Like the kids

775
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: in my family, like my dad's brother had three daughters

776
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: that were like beautiful ballerinas. They thought they were going

777
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 1: to be like jamous actresses, singers and blu alone um

778
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 1: and I kind of, I don't know, nobody thought that

779
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: I was going to do, especially because I didn't want

780
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 1: to use my dad's name. I mean, when I kind

781
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: of started to get successful, we didn't. We hadn't been

782
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: talking for years. My legal name is Tanner el Schneider.

783
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: Oh it is okay, so you purpose okay, got it? Yeah,

784
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: I got it. I started using my my mother's last

785
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: name like as a teenager, and I just wanted to

786
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 1: do I just wanted to use that name, not because

787
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: I mean probably because I was angry and it's cooler,

788
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: but also like that was my family and I I

789
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: worked very very very very hard to get signed to

790
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: get any tour, to play any show ever. And I

791
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: never wanted anyone to say, you've got it because your

792
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: dad and he knows this now you know. And because

793
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: he wasn't he was, he didn't do anything. I worked

794
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: my ass off and I didn't want to be connected

795
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: to that do This is when my therapist as me

796
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: all the time, and I struggle with it. But and

797
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: this may be the dumbest question you've heard and can

798
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: answer it so easily, but are you proud of yourself

799
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: for what you've been able to do? Or do you

800
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:34,479
Speaker 1: struggle with being proud for yourself? Uh? Sometimes I it's

801
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: important to be able to kind of like step outside

802
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: of the snow globe and see the glory of it,

803
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: especially if you know. I'm not like a cookie cutter person.

804
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: So I feel like I I feel like I have

805
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: to fight less hard now. But I'm very proud of myself.

806
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 1: I'm very proud that my son, uh gets to see

807
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: two parents that have very strong drive in their field,

808
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: and that I want my son to see that he

809
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: is more important in my career. But I want him

810
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: to see that I can do this and take I

811
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: take him on tour with me, like he comes first,

812
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: and I want him to be a part of this.

813
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: That's always been my dream. He's nine months, so he's

814
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: not doing a lot of communicating yet. He's just taking

815
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: a lot of in so far. I mean, yeah, he

816
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: talked in his own way, but yeah, he takes it in.

817
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 1: But he's cool man, Yeah, yeah he's cool. Did being

818
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: a mom alter a lot of the feelings you had

819
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: about being a kid? Um? Yeah it gives. I mean

820
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: I have so much empathy. I mean my parents are

821
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: very very young, and um, it softens me on them.

822
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine doing any of this, um in my

823
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: early twenties, and my mom had two of us. So, um,

824
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: more empathy for my mother than dad, but especially because um,

825
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: you know, my my partner is an incredible father and

826
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: it is very very present and very hands on. Um.

827
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: But I don't know all of it makes me the

828
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: mother that I am. And I think I'm a good mother.

829
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I also think i'm a ship mother. But

830
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: I care very very much and I want to be

831
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: a good mom and I want to be a very

832
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: present person because I also have a career that is

833
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: different from my dad. But I am realizing that like

834
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: I am in this entertainment industry, but I want to

835
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: do it differently. And um, that's a huge thing that

836
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: I love about country music is that they come back

837
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 1: and they're with their families and and there's family tours.

838
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm touring like all your with stable tms

839
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: and like I bring my son like it's it's I

840
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: feel very safe about that, and I don't know, it's

841
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: just I'm gonna do it my own way. Though. When

842
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: you're you're an artist, you know you're more than a musician.

843
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: You're an artist, especially hear when you talk about the

844
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: different ways you're affected by by art. Do you have

845
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 1: the other art skills like drawing? Can you? I don't

846
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: know what? What else can you do creatively? Because I

847
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 1: just feel like I'm looking at your all your tattoos,

848
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: like there's something in you that just wants to always

849
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 1: make an impact on something and through creation. So what

850
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: else is it? What? How do you else do you

851
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: fulfill yourself doing ours? It's very nerdy, but I I

852
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: love I don't I don't know what I love crafting.

853
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 1: I feel that SI I love Oh my gosh, um

854
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: it comes out in different ways and I don't always

855
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: get to have. Um. I'm never in one place for

856
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: very long. So UM. It was weird because during the pandemic,

857
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: I got really really into a very specific type of tidy,

858
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 1: which is shibori, which is like a Japanese technique of

859
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: folding and then natural indigo die. So it's like really

860
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: beautiful and very intricate, and um, in hopes of having

861
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: a baby and getting pregnant be we were trying, I

862
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: made all these like extremely intricate and beautiful like baby blankets,

863
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: and um, I love tie dyeing. I asked for a

864
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: sewing machine for Christmas, and I'm like, I'm making everybody

865
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: baby blankets like applicates. It's like very nerdy. Um. I

866
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: like super intricate things that helps me shut my mind

867
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: off if I'm just like busy work. I like to

868
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: knit crochet. Um. When I was younger, I went to

869
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 1: art school. I thought I wanted to be an editor.

870
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to make music videos or short films. Um.

871
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: And I got really into illustrations, and I mean, I

872
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm good at that anymore. Worst handwriting

873
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: in the world, worst handwriting in the world, Um, like

874
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 1: around the house car. It's different now that I'm a mom.

875
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: I'm I'm very neurotic. Um. I I think because it's

876
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: so like we're not that we're unstable, but because we

877
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 1: haven't bought a house here yet and we live out

878
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: of suitcases. So I have systems, like I'm routine and

879
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: systems in our chaos, so like folding techniques and organization

880
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: is like a massive thing. Are you control freak? One

881
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: hundred percent? But I think that that might come and

882
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: stem from a place of not feeling like I had

883
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: any control as a kid completely get it same, I'm

884
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 1: such a control freak, but because I was a poverty

885
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: kid and had no control of anything else. Yeah, but

886
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: everything I could control, control completely and that has I mean,

887
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: it still lives in me. And I have a wife,

888
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: so I don't control as much, but things away from her.

889
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: Like I'm such a control freak that now I can

890
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: also see why it's not good sometimes. Finally, Yeah, it

891
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: took a long time, but you can only hope that

892
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 1: no matter when it comes, you are able to see it.

893
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 1: You know, some people don't ever want to see it though, well,

894
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: because when you when you see it, you have to

895
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: acknowledge it, and you have to I didn't want to

896
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: acknowledge it right exactly. It was working for me. I

897
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: was being rewarded through my career with the things that

898
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:03,919
Speaker 1: got me to that point to be a control freak.

899
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: So why would I try to fix that? Heck, I'm

900
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: scared to go to therapy. I was like, I don't.

901
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to come to therapy. If I have fixed,

902
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be a failure. Like my fear was going

903
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 1: to therapy would make me a failure because it was

904
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: going to wash away some of the struggle that had

905
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: got me to therapy, which is a drive right yes, yeah,

906
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: And he's like, chill, yeah, you're good, homie. It will

907
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: only deepen your drive. And he was like, I'm gonna

908
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: fix you anyway. You can't wait. You can hear you

909
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: get fixed like this is You're like a car, not

910
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 1: a carburetor. We can just plug up. But wow, I

911
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: see that you are hosting the c M A Fest show.

912
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: That is first of all, good for you. That's awesome

913
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: for you and Dirk's um I've hosted that show before

914
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: it well, yeah one time. This is what you will

915
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: love working for Robert Um. I worked with him there

916
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: and I do this the CBS New Year's Show and

917
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: love Him it is the same clothes for four nights

918
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: because love that though. Yes, yes, I agree, Yes, that

919
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: part's good. I dressed loud man and if I got

920
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: a sick outfit, I'm aware four Here's the good part One.

921
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: You only gotta pay for one outfit unless you get

922
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: a backup case you spill on it. Right your they

923
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: may be like I might have too because performance and hosting,

924
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: well I mean hosting outfit right right, it's the same thing.

925
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: You may have a second one in case you spill something. Yeah,

926
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: So with that, that's good. We didn't get that. Maybe

927
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: we should text Tiff. Yeah, So that's that's a good

928
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: part of it. But the second thing is about day

929
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: two in the same clothure like do I stink? Like

930
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: do I. It's a lot of waiting around a whole lot,

931
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: and you've got to be there all the time just

932
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 1: in case something goes down. But you're gonna love it.

933
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: It's awesome, and you're gonna spend four days and all

934
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: these hours doing it and then they're going to show

935
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: up for like an hour and a half and be

936
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: like that was four days. I just use the twelfth

937
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: second clip for Ford, it's awesome. Yeah, but know TV

938
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: just weird. It is weird. It's weird. Congratulations, that's really

939
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: freaking cold that you're doing that. It's it's very cool

940
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: to me because my experience with it was I mean,

941
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: it was during different for girls and it's it's funny

942
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: that you or like your perception of me was that

943
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: I was like some big l a m. Because when

944
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: I performed that song with him, that was the biggest

945
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: live audience that I'd ever played for. And I walked

946
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 1: off stage and people, I remember people were like grabbing

947
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:32,959
Speaker 1: at me and they put me on the golf cart

948
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: and we went like whatever past the stage and I

949
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: had them pull over and I put my face in

950
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: a corner and I cried because it was like such

951
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: a big moment for me. So when they asked me

952
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: to host, I was like and there, and they're probably going,

953
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if we should ask her, She's probably

954
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: gonna think this is not nothing. Ask no, No, it's

955
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: a huge deal for me. But all of these things,

956
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I get, I still get very very excited.

957
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: Good for you. Yeah, I mean, I mean I I've

958
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: lost a lot of that because I just think I'm

959
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: gonna screw it up, and so I don't have excitement

960
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: I have, So you let the anxiety get oh, fear

961
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: of never being able to work again because I screw

962
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: up so bad, no one's ever gonna hire me. See,

963
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 1: my thing is I always mess up, so the bar

964
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: is low, so you know you're going to mess up.

965
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: So part of my charm beb Okay, Well my charm

966
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: is that the bar can't. I don't have a whole

967
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: lot of talent. Talent so if I if I don't

968
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: have I can't really screw up that much. So I

969
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: can't allow to screw up because I don't have a

970
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: lot of anything else. I can only sing that well

971
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: only my only funny. It's just a thing where but

972
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, if this doesn't work and the ratings

973
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: are terrible, I'm never never getting hired again. I like

974
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: that though, that You're just like, I suck. That's what

975
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: I need to do. Yeah, well, I mean, I don't know,

976
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 1: it's it's worked for you. All of this stuff is

977
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: from our childhood trauma, right, all of it's like, I

978
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: don't know, it's not that I don't have confidence in

979
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: myself because I actually I don't I And I don't

980
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,439
Speaker 1: know how I come off as I don't know if

981
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: I I know what I look like and I know

982
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: that like I'm allowed as bitch, not in the not

983
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: like and and I hope not as much as I

984
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: used to be, but like energetically, I hope I'm not.

985
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: But like I look loud, you know. Um, But it's

986
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: taken me a long time to like be okay in

987
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: my body. And so I had to fake a lot

988
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: of like really hardcore confidence, which is like very tough exterior,

989
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: but like inside I'm like putting, you know. Um. And

990
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,720
Speaker 1: so now I'm just trying to kind of like mend

991
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: the two of like I'm as softie, I don't have

992
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: as much to prove anymore. Um, So maybe I can

993
00:51:56,239 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: like let at like layer by layer, just like let

994
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: it kind of chill. I think that's life, right, trying

995
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 1: to mind it, trying to figure out the perfect mind

996
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: hopefully hopefully try to heal and like get to a

997
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: place of you know what, this is good. I'm happy.

998
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:15,879
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm gonna figure it out, and then

999
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: the next day I'm gonna die. Yeah, I figure that

1000
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 1: thinks that's what happens, right, where I was like, I'll

1001
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: finally figure it out. We die. That's it. I think

1002
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 1: that's life. It's like, oh, that's what it is. Yeah,

1003
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: you're dad, and I'm going to share it with you.

1004
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: Somehow somebody up there pushes the button and it down. Now, Yes, okay,

1005
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: look we have I'm only mildly sweaty, So I'm going

1006
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,800
Speaker 1: to count today as a success. I appreciate you sitting

1007
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 1: through and being in the sauna here. This is not hot?

1008
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: Is this hot seat? Because I feel cool? Maybe I'm

1009
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: just so comforting an interview that it's cool to you

1010
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: even think about that. Maybe. Yeah, it's a lot lott toast.

1011
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lie. Um, let me say this. The new

1012
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 1: song which I think you're coming up to the radio

1013
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: show tomorrow to play, is that true? Yeah? Yes, dang,

1014
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna find out if you can really sing Oh

1015
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: my gosh. Yeah. I wish they don't give us like

1016
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: they don't give us anything. Uh so uh l and

1017
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: Dirk's worth a shot. Now. The entire body of work

1018
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: that you've been creating that was so good, it's went

1019
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: from an EP to an LP. No, don't build this

1020
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: up now, don't you. No? No, no no, I'm only come on,

1021
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 1: you said it to me. I'm holding a mirror back

1022
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: up they Okay, someone found it to be just good enough,

1023
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: fair enough. If you take take it off me, then

1024
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: someone else found it to be just good enough to say, hey,

1025
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 1: you should make more songs and make a record. When

1026
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: does that whole thing happening? I would like to know, okay,

1027
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: so that there's not a date that I don't have. No, no, no, no,

1028
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 1: because there I'm soon got it and I don't even

1029
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 1: need a date. I just didn't want to miss something

1030
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,879
Speaker 1: if it's like, yeah, idiot's it's all Friday? Okay, because

1031
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,720
Speaker 1: so it's not. But the new songs out um dronking,

1032
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to go home massive. Are you guys

1033
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 1: still pushing that in places? Another four? No, Well, it's

1034
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: showing up. That's the crazy part about it still showing

1035
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: up in places. Count your money, that's that's awesome. Keep

1036
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: counting it's coming. Congratulations on everything, really, thank you and

1037
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: the baby, and just thank you. Um. I like to

1038
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: congratulate myself because I found out a lot about you

1039
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: that I did not know, and that usually happens here.

1040
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: But I'm usually not wrong on just general perception. Pretty good,

1041
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 1: pretty good at that I've swung a miss big time one. You.

1042
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,760
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, and so I'm really glad

1043
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 1: that that you came in and Mike, you just like, yeah,

1044
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: who knew? Who knew? She's cool? You know? All right?

1045
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: You guys follow L L King at E L L

1046
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: E King and I guess I'll see you in the morning. Yeah. Honestly,

1047
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: I want to say, like, thanks for giving me the

1048
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 1: opportunity to share more about myself because a lot of

1049
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: people probably have um their own perception of me and

1050
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 1: I can only be myself, so thanks for having me

1051
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: I try to be someone other than myself. Yeah, I

1052
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: like it, That's okay. Yeah, I don't want to be

1053
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 1: British sometimes that'd be cool, homelike, all right, el King,

1054
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: there she is and we'll see you guys. M