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Speaker 1: On today's episode, Where's the Big twelve headed? Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Dake Edith State? Is that whoo whoom? And Dan and

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Speaker 1: Tie welcome back to the solid Verbo boys and girls.

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Speaker 1: My name is Ty Hildenbrandt. I am joined as always

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Speaker 1: by my beloved co host on No Coast the heart

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Speaker 1: of the Midwest, Dan Rubistine, Sir, Welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: How are you today, my friend?

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Speaker 2: I'm great, Ty, I'm great as always. We have a

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Speaker 2: topic today that we've discussed a lot of but specifics

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Speaker 2: of which we have not discussed in the in the

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Speaker 2: depth that I hope we were able to. We're plumbing depths.

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Speaker 2: Is that a thing?

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Speaker 1: Sure?

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Speaker 2: You plumb the depths? Right? So, as always, Ty excited

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Speaker 2: to bounce some thoughts off of you. I'm sure you're

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Speaker 2: excited to do the same. And almost immediately after the

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Speaker 2: recording of the show, I'm going to the summer destination, Ty, Cincinnati, Ohio.

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Speaker 1: make sure you stay tuned to that. On today's show though, Dan,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna play it, you're gonna yell it.

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Speaker 2: We have breaking news, good breaking news, breaking news.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: That happened like two weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: It happened two weeks ago. You're yelling it because my

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Speaker 1: and half. But here, here's the deal, right, we did

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Speaker 1: several episodes now, some of which I think were of

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Speaker 1: the emergency variety because of conference realignment. Right, Oregon and

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Speaker 1: Washington going to the Big ten. We had Colorado before that,

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Speaker 1: leaving to go to the Big twelve. The Colorado move

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Speaker 1: was kind of a harbinger for what was to come.

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Speaker 1: What we haven't discussed in any great detail is I

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Speaker 1: think the state of the new look Big twelve because

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Speaker 1: after the organ and Washington News, Arizona, Arizona State, and

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Speaker 1: Big twelve now is pretty big conference. Big twelve is

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Speaker 1: kind of amassing its forces, and there's some talk they

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Speaker 1: make themselves a better basketball conference, whatever the intention would

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Speaker 1: be behind that. Today, though, we just want to take

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Speaker 1: a look at where this conference is at, where we

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Speaker 2: Dan, correct, Yes, and there was obviously a ton of

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Speaker 1: Which is which is I gotta say, kind of interesting

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Speaker 1: Plus it's the scene in office Space where he's got

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Speaker 2: Yes, Orlando Jones, I want to say, was that actor?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, from that standpoint. From that standpoint, it's certainly no brainer.

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Speaker 1: Arizona all the while, seemed pretty keen to move Arizona State,

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Speaker 1: But not recently, right, But that was a deal that

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Speaker 1: one issue that I think is really interesting. I alluded

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Speaker 1: Dan from a football standpoint, is Utah instantly the favorite.

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Speaker 2: No, Utah is instantly on the top tier of a conference,

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Speaker 2: Should also have TCU two ceiling pyrotechnics after what we

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Speaker 2: When you add in the Arizona schools, you've seen you

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's anywhere near it. I really don't.

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Speaker 1: You can make a case for Utah.

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Speaker 1: We don't we don't have the twenty twenty three seas. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think it's too much there when you

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma State is a conversation.

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Speaker 1: kind of the tweener for me, like maybe in the

436
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Speaker 1: top tier, maybe like one B would be Oklahoma State.

437
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Speaker 1: You know, we could talk about the other schools if

438
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Speaker 1: we want. I'm curious to get your sense for how

439
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 1: Arizona and Arizona State fit in, because you know, Arizona

440
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Speaker 1: State more recently has had some success on the football field.

441
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Speaker 1: It's been a minute since we could envision them as

442
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Speaker 1: a stable program. Right in Arizona. Obviously, like you said,

443
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Speaker 1: the lows have been pretty catastrophic. How do they kind

444
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 1: of rank in this pecking order to you school like

445
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Speaker 1: middle to lower?

446
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 2: Okay, I think it was a quantity play for the

447
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 2: Big two twelve that with more teams and more time

448
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 2: zones come, you know, more interesting options for TV networks

449
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 2: and interesting matchups. Arizona is also, as I mentioned, a

450
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 2: state that has produced more and more talent, So potentially

451
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 2: now you have not that Texas schools need more access,

452
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: but Texas a big state. And most recently, what do

453
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 2: Arizona high school players do? They just leave? They exclusively

454
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 2: leave the state. Now, I think in this upcoming class,

455
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 2: Arizona has secured two of the top three players in

456
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Speaker 2: the state. Elijah Rushing is the big name, a five

457
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 2: star defensive end who everybody wanted, and I think their

458
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,199
Speaker 2: quarterback of the future is also relatively local. But you

459
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 2: look at some of the names which have been huge,

460
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 2: Spencer Rattler, Bjeon Robinson, Keeley Ringo, like huge, even like

461
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 2: go down to like Brock Purtyle say what you will, yeah,

462
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 2: but like say what you will about a lot of

463
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 2: these guys in the up and down nature of their careers,

464
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 2: they were coveted by everybody, and no Arizona or nor

465
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,159
Speaker 2: Arizona state could keep them in state. Some years it

466
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 2: was like the first night the highest ranked nineteen of

467
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 2: twenty or something like that left the state. What's interesting now, though,

468
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 2: is where do you go if you're leaving right if

469
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Speaker 2: you're a top kid from California, a top kid from Arizona,

470
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 2: a top kid from Texas whatever these states internally in

471
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Speaker 2: a lot of cases, if you look at California and

472
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 2: Texas are split between conferences, and so the Arizona schools

473
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 2: could rely on, you know, maybe some of the kids

474
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 2: that USC and UCLA passed on in southern California, and

475
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 2: maybe you strike on a huge name like Vontes Perfect.

476
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 2: But like, if you're a top flight recruit or even

477
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 2: a third tier recruit from California, is the promise of

478
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 2: playing in Waco and Lubbock and Morgantown and Ames and

479
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 2: Provo and Orlando? Is that a selling point like it

480
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 2: used to be? Whereas Okay, maybe I'll leave southern California,

481
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 2: but I'm still playing up and down the West coast.

482
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 2: My parents can come. I'm familiar with these teams. I'm

483
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 2: familiar with this conference, and so now what do you

484
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 2: do if you are in Arizona, if you're in Utah, whatever,

485
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 2: and you have options. Is the Big Twelve going to

486
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 2: be as interesting to you because you're not in your

487
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 2: geographic footprint and you just don't have the same level

488
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 2: of familiarity with the schools you'd be playing if you're

489
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 2: going to the hometown.

490
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Speaker 1: Do you think do you think that matters? Yes?

491
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Speaker 2: Really, yes, yeah, I absolutely do. Because what we're seeing

492
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 2: is we're seeing a hierarchy of conferences. So if you

493
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 2: are a top kid in Arizona, it's not just about

494
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 2: playing in the Power five now, it's if you have

495
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 2: the opportunity to play at Oregon or Washington or USC.

496
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 2: Because the sport is so much more nationalized, you know that, oh,

497
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be much more seen in the Big Ten

498
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 2: than I am the Big Twelve. I have a better

499
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 2: And that's what is being sold to them by these

500
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 2: coaches as well. Whereas if you were a USC coach, yes,

501
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 2: you could sell you know, Chris O'Dowd or whoever from

502
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 2: the state of Arizona and say, yeah, you know you're

503
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 2: gonna be USC you're gonna play with all these players,

504
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 2: you're gonna have better coaches, but at the same time,

505
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 2: still playing in the Pac ten, Pac twelve, Right, you're

506
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 2: still like on level footing with some of the other

507
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 2: big schools that are recruiting you. Now, it's just you're

508
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: so much more split. Conversely, though, Arizona could go into

509
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 2: where Arizona stak can go into Texas more, go into

510
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 2: Oklahoma more and say, oh, well, it's much more interesting

511
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 2: to even if you're not being recruited by Texas or Oklahoma.

512
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: Look how much more fun it is to come to

513
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 2: Tucson or Asu than it is to go to Waco

514
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 2: or Ames or Morgantown or Manhattan, Kansas or something like that.

515
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: That's a selling point that it's new, it's different, and

516
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 2: there's something novel and interesting about going to one of

517
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 2: the Arizona schools that you're charting your own path. So

518
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: I get that that it goes both ways, but I

519
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 2: just wonder with these schools having so many relationships on

520
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 2: the West Coast and now the West Coast being divided

521
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 2: up more than ever, I just wonder what that does

522
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 2: to any recruiting momentum that Kenny Dillinghammer Jetfish have.

523
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: I think all the way back to the Houseyon days

524
00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: of NCAA fourteen, the old video game. Yeah, remember one

525
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 1: of the one of the items that you could recruit

526
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: on was conference prestige. Maybe they had the idea correct

527
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 1: all the way back then. They just didn't know where

528
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: things would evolve to in the next decade or so.

529
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: But we do have this conference hierarchy. I just I

530
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: guess I'm a little skeptical on that because I wonder

531
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: in this era of nil and the ability to transfer,

532
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: like these newfound player rights that we have in college football,

533
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: which are long overdue in their own right, have I think, do.

534
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 2: You think it's equal to playing field to the point

535
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 2: a little bit?

536
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: A little bit, I think it's taken away some of

537
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: that edge. Whereas before, if you were, you know, a

538
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: kid in Ohio going to play for Ohio State or

539
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: Penn State, so you could be in the Big Ten

540
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: because you grew up on the Big Ten. I don't

541
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: know if that has the same value it once had.

542
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: Because you can go to an SEC school now and

543
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: you can make you know, two million dollars a year.

544
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: It just seems like there are new factors in that conversation,

545
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: not saying you're wrong, I think it's different.

546
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: But do you think if one of the Arizona schools

547
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: recruits a high school kid, he shows out as being

548
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 2: incredible and he then finds himself having opportunities to play

549
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: at Ohio State, Notre Dame, Florida State, any of these

550
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 2: huge places that are playing in conferences with more visibility,

551
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 2: arguably with Florida State, but still at Floria State. It's

552
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: a bigger place in Arizona. Do you think those are

553
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 2: destinations that can lock rosters in. I mean, nobody can

554
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: lock a roster in in twenty twenty three what exactly?

555
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 2: But I think Utah has a better shot of doing

556
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: it because of the stability and proven track record no

557
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 2: matter the conference. But I think the Arizona schools, especially Arizona,

558
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: seen as a basketball school, ASU is always in flux

559
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 2: though their success has been on the football field more

560
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 2: than basketball. That I just I don't see it with them.

561
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 2: And I think that's where the conference thing comes into play.

562
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 2: That if you are a star running back at Arizona

563
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 2: and Georgia needs a running back, you're just nowhere near

564
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 2: big enough and you're not playing in a conference that

565
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: justifies you staying at Arizona. Right again, nobody can lock

566
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 2: a roster. But I still think what the Big twelve

567
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 2: has done, it's and this is not a take of

568
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 2: any kind. It's a survival move more than anything. And

569
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 2: so I get it from the Arizona schools trying to survive.

570
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 2: I get it from the Big twelve schools left behind

571
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 2: by Texas and Oklahoma doing everything they can to survive.

572
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: And from that standpoint, they've done a crazy, admirable job.

573
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: They have done a wonderful job of building up, staying together,

574
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 2: you know, sort of exposing the brands, perhaps more nationally

575
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 2: because of new time zones. They've done as good a

576
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 2: job as I think they could have hoped to do

577
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 2: short of Oregon and Washington not having the Big ten

578
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: option and going to the Big Twelve. So that's to

579
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 2: be commended. I just don't think Arizona's ceiling in this conference,

580
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 2: with where they've been, how they've traditionally succeeded and everything's changed,

581
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: I don't see them giving themselves a more interesting ceiling

582
00:30:58,440 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 2: in the Big Twelve than what they had in the

583
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 2: Pack twelve because of geography and look if jetfish wins

584
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: eight games at Arizona, is he saying to himself, well,

585
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 2: I'm in the Big twelve and this is as good

586
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 2: as it gets. No, Jetfish will have opportunities if he

587
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 2: consistently wins a ton of games at Arizona. Same goes

588
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 2: for Kenny Dillingham, even though he went there. So I'm

589
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: just not sold on those being huge value adds as

590
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 2: much as financial time zone. You know, everybody's building up

591
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: into bigger conferences. We should too. It doesn't do a

592
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,959
Speaker 2: lot for me. I think it's much more bulk than

593
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 2: it is intrigued. I mean, what is your viewpoint of

594
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 2: the Arizona schools? Because Utah has been on a big

595
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: national level, right, Utah just played your alma manor in

596
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 2: the Rose Bowl. They've won a ton of big games

597
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: against a ton of big schools. Yeah, but you are

598
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 2: about as far away as one can get in major

599
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: college football geography from the Arizona schools. You haven't spent

600
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: much time in the Sonoran Desert.

601
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: No. I love the mountains, though I know you're in Tentpe.

602
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,719
Speaker 1: That was awesome. I enjoyed that part of it. What

603
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: am I What is my viewpoint of it? I mean,

604
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: I can really only view from afar. My vantage point

605
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: is that Arizona State's a mess at the administrative level,

606
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: and more often than not, that's the tail that wags

607
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: the dog when it comes to football success, and it's

608
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: really hard to be good when you've got an administrative

609
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: system that's kind of in flux. On the Arizona side,

610
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: they've obviously seen some renewed optimism with Jedfish, and I

611
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: think he's done a really good job in a short

612
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: period of time. Curious to see what happens this season,

613
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: but like it's definitely pushing a boulder uphill to get

614
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: that program back to a point of stability, to a

615
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: point of respectability. They were really really low in the

616
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: previous regime, and he's done a good job to kind

617
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,719
Speaker 1: of build them up quickly at least take on some transfers,

618
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: and kind of give them a renewed sense of where

619
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: this thing could go. So I definitely feel better about

620
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: where Arizona is at than Arizona State. I'm very on

621
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: the Kenny Dillingham higher, even though I think he's a

622
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: guy who wants to be there. He has spoken at

623
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: length about this being his dream job. Of course, that's

624
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: another one of those those coaching tropes that we tend

625
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: to block out. But you know, we'll see where he

626
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: can get that program in a short period of time.

627
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: In terms of where they fit in, how they fit

628
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: into the Big twelve, I think the Big twelve is

629
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: fun as hell as.

630
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 2: Who I Well, that was my other point is I

631
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 2: think the floor is a lot higher in the Big

632
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: Twelve than it's been in the Pac twelve. Yeah, so

633
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: this is much more difficult for the Arizona schools. You know,

634
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 2: I could sit here and kind of read you the

635
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: the recent history of Arizona football. That's not going to

636
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 2: do much for this conversation.

637
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: What I do think that they add is an element

638
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: of unpredictability to the Big Twelve, which the Big Twelve

639
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: in a sense has always been kind of that conference

640
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: where anything goes and hmm, like we've seen it in

641
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: recent years, they kind of cannibalize each other. They all

642
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: beat each other. The games are fun as hell. Texas

643
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: is getting better, Oklahoma took a step back last year,

644
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: Kansas State takes a step forward. It just seems like

645
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: this is a conference of risers and fallers almost every

646
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: single season, and that makes it unpredictable and maybe the

647
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: most interesting conference in college football. To throw Arizona into

648
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 1: that mix, upset minded Jedfish led Arizona into that mix.

649
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: To throw Arizona State into that mix, we have no

650
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: idea what Arizona State's going to look like next year.

651
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: We don't know what they're going to look like a

652
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: month from now, to say the least. To throw those

653
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: two teams into that mix, with Texas Tech, with BYU,

654
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: with UCF, with all these schools that we frankly don't

655
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: know what the future looks like three years down the line,

656
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: I think the conference is fascinating. It's part of the

657
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: reason why when we had this discussion, you know, when

658
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: all this news broke like two weeks ago, my first

659
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: impulse was to say, the pecking order is SEC in

660
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: Big ten, whichever you prefer, and then the Big twe

661
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: not the ACC, even though the ACC is better at

662
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: the top, Okay, with Florida State and Clemson, I think

663
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: that's undeniable, But the Big twelve as a whole. Who

664
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: to talk about quality in bulk, There's a lot there,

665
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: and a lot of it totally is very much in

666
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: fux and very interesting because of it. But the other item,

667
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: and this is almost no sample size for Arizona, right

668
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 1: they improve their record from it was one and eleven

669
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: to five and seven. There's a lot of penciling in

670
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve. When you look at a schedule, there's

671
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: a lot of like, you got cal you got Colorado,

672
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: you have like the worst of the Washington schools rightly

673
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: the worst of Oregon State recently. Not true now for

674
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,720
Speaker 1: a lot of these schools, but it seems as if

675
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: in any given year there are three games that you

676
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: can just pencil in and then if you don't schedule

677
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: super highly in the non conference, and both of these

678
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: teams have scheduled relatively admirably. I know, you know Arizona

679
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 1: has had Mississippi State lately, and Arizona State has played

680
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: a number of high profile games last ten to fifteen

681
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: years non conference wise, nearly beat Eastern Michigan if you

682
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 1: remember tie, Arizona State nearly beat those big moments.

683
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: But you have you're almost starting out with five wins.

684
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 2: If you're a decent Arizona school, you're almost starting out

685
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 2: with where the Pac twelve has largely been and having

686
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: bottom dwellers plural I think in the Big twelve nearly

687
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: every team, and we've had a crazy down Kansas for

688
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 2: a long time. I understand this, and you've had a

689
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: number of teams have awful, awful years. But it seems

690
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 2: in the back of my head that you can point

691
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: to basically all of these teams, if not all of

692
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 2: these teams, and you can squint and say, I could

693
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 2: see how they could carve out a bowl season because

694
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 2: of their defense, because of their quarterback, because their offense,

695
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 2: because of their smart coaching. You can now look, you

696
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 2: look at Kansas, you look at Oklahoma State, TCU, Kansas State,

697
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: like there are a number. Texas Tech I think is

698
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: another school that I think is above thorniness, which is

699
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: to say, I don't think they're just a pain of

700
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: the ass. I think they're know ascending to full on

701
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,959
Speaker 2: goodgre is a program. I heard Joey maguire, I agree

702
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: with that, and so my my issue with the Arizona schools,

703
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 2: and again it's their survival. I understand that's the primary motivation,

704
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 2: but what is the actual competitive value that they're adding

705
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 2: when they couldn't get it figured out in a Pac

706
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 2: twelve that didn't have a ton of strength at the

707
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 2: top you know, you'd have a Washington under Chris Peterson

708
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 2: or an Oregon under Chip Kelly or USC here and there,

709
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 2: but like there wasn't the four teams like it seems

710
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 2: there are this year, all that consistently, all the Arizona

711
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: schools had opportunities to jump up more often and just

712
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: basically never did. You had a couple of Todd Graham moments,

713
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 2: But what are they going to do in the big

714
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: twelve with a raised floor? To me, it's six and six,

715
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 2: seven and five. That's that's where they can operate more

716
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 2: often than not if things are going well. And that's

717
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 2: not a huge ad to me. Yeah, yeah, I get

718
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: why it all happens. I get why at both sides

719
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: we're super keen on it. But it seems like an

720
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 2: October conference, which is great for me, it's great for us,

721
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 2: it's worth watching. But I don't know if it if

722
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: there's more polish to the conference adding these teams.

723
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I do like if I'm k State,

724
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: if I'm Oklahoma State from TCU, I like that I

725
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: am in a big enough, stable enough conference to be

726
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: considered power for mm hmm. And it feels like the

727
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: while the floor is higher, which is great for scheduling

728
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: and great for consideration in the polls. I think the

729
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: ceiling is a little bit lower. You lose Texas and Oklahoma,

730
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: you're not having to play those schools every year. The

731
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: pathway to get into that playoff, and I know you're

732
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: not always gong ho to make that about make contrast

733
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: that playoff, but the pathway makes sense, right, the pathway

734
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: to be in the Big twelve if you consider yourself

735
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: a playoff caliber program. I'm not saying Arizona or Arizona

736
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: State are there. I think Utah is pretty close to

737
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: being there. You look at the pathway to get into

738
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: the playoff. If you're Utah in the Pac twelve where

739
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: it currently stands this year, Utah is going to be

740
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: a good team. Utah might be fourth best in the

741
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: conference this year because of their schedule, because of some

742
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: of their questions, because I think, frankly, some of the

743
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: teams above them are better. Whereas if you take this

744
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,479
Speaker 1: Utah team and put it in next year's Big twelve,

745
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: which of course is not something we can physically do,

746
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: but you get my point, it's a much easier pathway.

747
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: You're suddenly looking at the schedule and say, can we

748
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: win ten eleven games and get ourselves in that conversation,

749
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:47,720
Speaker 1: get ourselves in the top twelve.

750
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: Absolutely well, Okay, here's the other question. Does Utah immediately

751
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 2: have the best coach in the Big twelve at the school?

752
00:39:58,640 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: Right?

753
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: You can say, like us Malls has had gone to

754
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 2: higher heights than Kyle Whittingham. I think the answer is

755
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 2: probably yes.

756
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: Answers probably yes. I mean again, it's so much of

757
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: that question comes down to what you think of.

758
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 2: Sunny Dikes has taken a team to the playoff.

759
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: Of Sunny Dykes, of Mike Gundhy, who's been there forever.

760
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: And he's won a ton of games.

761
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like I don't want to just kind

762
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: of throw that out, even though I'm a little bit

763
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: down in Oklahoma State. But it's look, Kyle Whittingham is

764
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: very much in that conversation. I mean has to be.

765
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 2: If you were starting a program, I don't know what

766
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 2: the square geographic center now is of the Big twelve,

767
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: Saint Louis or something, If you were going to start

768
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 2: a program somewhere around there, which of these coaches would

769
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 2: you want to start it?

770
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: From?

771
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 2: Point number one? And it's probably Kyle Whitning.

772
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: PRIK, Yeah, Kyle Whittingham. I mean I like Dave Randa

773
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: a lot, but the Baylor project, Yeah, a year he

774
00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: had one year a little bit inconsistent recently. Yeah, I

775
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: mean Whittingham had like dikes.

776
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 2: You know what you're getting with sunny dikes one year?

777
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, so's that?

778
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 2: To me? Is the fascinating thing that Utah immediately becomes

779
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 2: top tier within the conference and you'll have you'll have

780
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: rotating guests ty come in and out playing the drums,

781
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 2: whether it's TCU, Kansas State, UCF. But this is not

782
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 2: a track record conference. Like as soon as it seemed

783
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: like Matt Campbell was going to do it at Iowa State,

784
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: they sort of come back down to earth and field

785
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 2: an awful, awful offense for a couple of years running

786
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 2: and now have gambling stories swirling within the state. West

787
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 2: Virginia thought they were going to hit it out of

788
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 2: the park with Neil Brown. Now that's maybe on its

789
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 2: last legs. We'll see. It seems like there's more promise

790
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 2: on offense right now. And the Mike Gundy situation is

791
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 2: you know what his ceiling is. You know, if things

792
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 2: had continued to pace with how he hired on both

793
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 2: sides of the ball and how Oklahoma State especially developed

794
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: on defense, that he's the no brainer, top guy, top

795
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: coach in Oklahoma State is positioned to be.

796
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: The alpha alpha.

797
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 2: Within the conference. Doesn't seem like that's the moment at

798
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 2: this time, right, So that makes it that makes for

799
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 2: a good competitive conference internally, but without real separation, which

800
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 2: nobody's recruiting on a high level maybe other than UCF

801
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 2: at the moment, and good for them. I just you know,

802
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 2: I see it as a good story and good football,

803
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 2: but nothing great.

804
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: Let me let me pivot off this a little bit,

805
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 1: and just for the purposes of completeness, because we're recording

806
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: this on a Monday. It drops on a Tuesday. And

807
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier that there is potential, at least I

808
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: don't know how likely it is for further movement among conferences,

809
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: because the ACC has a deadline on August the fifteenth

810
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: that if any schools wish to leave and play all

811
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: swear in twenty twenty four, they got to let them

812
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: know by August fifteenth. A lot of that conversation has

813
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: centered around Florida State. Now there have been varying accounts

814
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: of how serious Florida State is about this. My read

815
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: on the situations that they're quite serious, and of course

816
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: they have gotten to the point where they're even exploring

817
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: some very curious ideas i e. Private equity money from

818
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: the outside that could come in and help help give

819
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: them the money that they need, like three hundred million

820
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: dollars or so to get out of their current grand

821
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: of rights with the ACEC, which extends all the way

822
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: through twenty thirty six. Most of the bigger schools in

823
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: the conference hate it. If you're Florida State, they've been

824
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: champing at the bit to get unequal revenue sharing, but

825
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like that's going to fly among the

826
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: other schools either. There was this push by the ACC

827
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: to potentially add some of the leftover parts from the

828
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: PAC twelve. It doesn't make a whole lot of geographic sense.

829
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: We're talking about col and Stanford. There was also an

830
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: SMU discussion, but that seems it was voted down. The

831
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: ACC put it to a vote. They couldn't get to

832
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: the seventy five percent threshold needed, namely because North Carolina,

833
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 1: North Carolina State, Florida State, and Clemson voted it down.

834
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: Notre Dame had been interestingly pushing to try and add

835
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: those schools to the ACC, even though Notre Dame itself

836
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: is not a full member of the conference. Right, that's

837
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:24,439
Speaker 1: again a whole separate issue altogether. Where things stand now

838
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 1: at time of recording is I am watching to see

839
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: what Florida State does. I am watching to see what

840
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: Florida State does, because I think if Florida State decides

841
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: to break ranks, if they find that they are better

842
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: off breaking their agreement, paying the money, getting out of

843
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: the conference, that could trigger a whole other wave of

844
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 1: this thing. I don't know how likely that is, because

845
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 1: we're running out of time here. We're running out of time,

846
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: and I don't know how many other schools would want

847
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: to sign on for that type of financial penalty agreement.

848
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: But Florida State seems very serious and they're the next

849
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: one that I watch again, not necessarily expecting it to

850
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: happen tomorrow or I guess today as people listen to this,

851
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: at least on the public feed, but it is something

852
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: that I wanted to mention because all too often we

853
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: find ourselves in the situation of the show go steal

854
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: because new information is available, So just watch that, watch that,

855
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: and may not happen this year, but that's probably the

856
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 1: next domino to fall.

857
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly the ACC because these teams are signing in

858
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: TV deals that are going to run for the next

859
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 2: few years, as the Big Ten and Big Twelve have

860
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 2: already done, SEC recently did. And so it's now a

861
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 2: question for Florida State is can they find the money?

862
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 2: Can they justify the money that they're going to make

863
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 2: so much more money in a new conference in the

864
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: Big ten or whatever?

865
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: And what is that conference? What is that conference? You know?

866
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: I think with Oregon and Washington, it was pretty clear.

867
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: We talked to Brett McMurphy. We've got videos out there

868
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: from back in March April where he knew We knew

869
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: via him and others that if Oregon and Washington were

870
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: going to leave, it was going to be to the

871
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: Big Ten. It wasn't gonna be the Big twelve. It

872
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 1: was gonna be the Big Ten. Right if an inviting

873
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: they were gone, that that made sense. I mean, maybe

874
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 1: not geographically, but well there's.

875
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 2: No such thing as geographic sense anymore. Now, there's no

876
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 2: We're going to have UCF at you know, Arizona. We're

877
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: going to have Oregon at you know, it's not going

878
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 2: to happen all that often. Where these West coast schools

879
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 2: are going all the way east. I'm sure they're going

880
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 2: to be paired in rotations with you know, Nebraska and

881
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 2: Wisconsin of course much closer. Of course, there's no such

882
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 2: thing as geograph there's no such thing as that anymore.

883
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: But I just think it was so obvious that the

884
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: Big Ten was going to be their final destination. I'm

885
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: not sure for Florida State, because Florida State could fit

886
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: in with the SEC geographically speaking, that would make sense.

887
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: But Greg Sankie hasn't really been bending over backwards on

888
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 1: the expansion front. He seems pretty focused on Texas at

889
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: Oklahoma right now. The Big Ten just expanded with the

890
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,439
Speaker 1: Big State with the Big Ten, want to expand again

891
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: into Florida. Now, I don't know, I don't know the

892
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: dynamics there, but that to me seems a little bit

893
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: more murky. I've even seen some people talk about, well,

894
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: maybe Florida State just wants to go independent. There's probably

895
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: a better case for that in the short term than

896
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: there is conference alignment. But we'll see we'll see. Just

897
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: keep your keep your intent is up on the Florida

898
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: state front, and they could be the next one to

899
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: fall one way or the other.

900
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I look, I think we kind of all have

901
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 2: an idea about how this is all going to end.

902
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 2: This doesn't seem like a sustainable path forward for college

903
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 2: sports in general. So I think we all kind of

904
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 2: have an idea that there is going to be a

905
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 2: major reorganization of football as it relates to its ties

906
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 2: to other sports. Chip Kelly talked about this, and so

907
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 2: whether that happens in the next few years or into

908
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 2: the twenty thirties, it's just not a sustainable way to

909
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 2: go about business where everybody's traveling all of the time

910
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 2: and everything is TV and there's just it doesn't make sense.

911
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 2: Chip Kelly talked about football only traveling once a week

912
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 2: for four months, and not even once a week obviously

913
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 2: only a handful of times per season. And so eventually

914
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 2: what it's going to be is it's not going to

915
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 2: be a full unbundling. We're not going to go back

916
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 2: to a Power five or Power six or something like that,

917
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 2: but the Big ten will have some sort of Western

918
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 2: division that Tony Petiti runs, and they'll have an Atlantic

919
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 2: Division that Tony Petiti runs, and Greg Sankee will have

920
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 2: something that follows that same pathway. And I don't think,

921
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 2: you know, softball and gymnastics and tennis and diving are

922
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 2: going to be tied to these things geographically, because they're

923
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,479
Speaker 2: completely different industries. And so I think we will get there.

924
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 2: I think as the number of streamers increases, even though

925
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 2: the streaming business is disastrous, as things consolidate with linear TV,

926
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 2: and I just don't see a future in which we

927
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 2: are going to have for the next forty years a

928
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen Big Ten and a twenty eight team SEC

929
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 2: and every program following suit within a school. I just

930
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think it makes any actual sense,

931
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,760
Speaker 2: not that college football has ever been based in rational sense,

932
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 2: but I don't know. I don't think this is something

933
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 2: that goes on forever. I just think it's everybody making

934
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 2: extremely short term decisions that will eventually get unwound when

935
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 2: there is a proper reorg in the next i don't know,

936
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 2: ten twelve years.

937
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, you've got Callen Stanford, Oregon State and Washington State, Yeah,

938
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: entering into a consulting agreement with our one true God,

939
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: Oliver Luck to help them figure this all out. If

940
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: anybody can save us, if anybody can save college football

941
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 1: from itself, it's all over. Luck.

942
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: Do you think the Big Ten will add Oregon State

943
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 2: and Washington State and callen Stanford for room and board,

944
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 2: the full full circle. They'll get some academic training, some

945
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 2: job training, room and board. I mean, look, I really

946
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 2: do think that's where it's heading. I really do think

947
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 2: the Big Ten will not just swallow the best of

948
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 2: the Pac ten Pac twelve, but they're just going to

949
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 2: create their own version of the Pac ten Pac twelve

950
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 2: and they'll have you know, preseas or non conference games

951
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 2: that will will happen and they'll be it's almost like

952
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 2: in a college basketball way. But no, I find this

953
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 2: to be inevitable. It'll all be under the Big ten umbrella.

954
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: But I just I don't know.

955
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: I think at some point there is going to be

956
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 2: some sort of council at the top of high level

957
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 2: college football that says, Okay, guys, what are we doing here? Yeah,

958
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 2: and we'll get to a point that it makes more

959
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 2: sense from a competitive and travel and TV standpoint.

960
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's I really do.

961
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm just a hopeless utopian optimist. But that's where

962
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 2: I think we're heading there.

963
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: I think we're headed to a point where there's like

964
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: an emergency phone line, i e. United States and Russia

965
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: to avert the fear of nuclear holocaust. We get Tony Pettiti,

966
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 1: we get Greg Sankie on the phone on a red

967
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 1: phone somewhere in a well.

968
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 2: Do you think they're in charge of their conferences? Is

969
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 2: that what you say?

970
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think so. I think it's

971
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: probably something on the network side, but maybe maybe it's

972
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: more of a zoom conference between a number of other

973
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: interested parties. But there's going to be a meeting of

974
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: the minds at some point to hopefully sort this thing

975
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: out and end the horse trading, because it's just kind.

976
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 2: Of we've seen it on o Recer levels. If you

977
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 2: remember the very brief TCU Big East era where they

978
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 2: joined the Big East and then reverse like we've seen that,

979
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 2: like these things are not forever. If that's the only

980
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 2: thing we've learned about college football is that bowl games, conferences, divisions,

981
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 2: names of divisions, legends and leaders like things can be

982
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 2: scrapped quickly. But we've never had the sport organized on

983
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 2: this level by television in this specific way, so it's

984
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 2: going to take a cooperative effort. But no, I just

985
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 2: don't see this at all being sustainable, interesting enough to

986
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 2: fans that viewership will can continue grow. I just it

987
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 2: doesn't make sense to me, Like it just seems like

988
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 2: this is for almost nobody and that will play out

989
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 2: I think.

990
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if I fully agree with that. I think, okay,

991
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: regular season product will be fun, and I think for

992
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: the people who are watching at home it will be

993
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: it will be fun. Look, if television is responsible for

994
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,280
Speaker 1: reshaping this, I think the television product will be fine.

995
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 1: In the second week of October, I think the playoff

996
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: will be a very fun I do I do the term.

997
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: I think we'll get very interesting matchups. I can't speak

998
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:42,800
Speaker 1: for the financials of Oregon and Washington, of UCLA and USC.

999
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: I think that probably is going to be a bigger

1000
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: drag than anything. But as for the home viewer, the

1001
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: TV product, people are still going to watch. I think

1002
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: people are still going to go to games. I don't

1003
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 1: know if USCI was going to have the same draw

1004
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: in southern California as USC Stanford, but you know, I

1005
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 1: think by and large the product will be will be

1006
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: okay from the home viewership standpoint. I just think the

1007
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: the financials of this get really really murky as conferences

1008
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: start adding teams. I think there's only there's only so

1009
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: big a pot that the networks can donate to the cause.

1010
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: At some point you're just sort of splitting it too

1011
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,879
Speaker 1: many ways that it stops making financial sense. I think

1012
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: that's what ultimately stops this. But as for the home product,

1013
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: they'll find a way to make it interesting, even if

1014
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: we end up losing a lot of traditions in the process,

1015
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:38,719
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1016
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,319
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1017
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1018
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1020
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1029
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1030
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1031
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1032
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1033
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 2: Can I ask you a question, Let's do it. This

1034
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 2: is the best way I can ask this question. I know.

1035
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 2: With this episode is about the Big Twelve and Arizona

1036
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 2: Schools at Utah. There is something about the Big Twelve

1037
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 2: that kind of makes sense to me. I don't think

1038
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 2: they have a competitive identity that like, oh, there are

1039
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 2: a bunch of air A teams that don't play defense,

1040
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 2: like that doesn't exist anymore in any conference. No, But

1041
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 2: there is something that makes sense to me that like

1042
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 2: all of these programs, while they have basketball strengths, they

1043
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 2: there's no like clear long term incredible team that's you know,

1044
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 2: recruiting on a top five teen level or something like that.

1045
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 2: There's not that, but it almost seems like you can

1046
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 2: understand how the Big Twelve would be entertaining that there's

1047
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 2: a lot of quality in the Big Twelve and there

1048
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 2: is that like the shared identity of like, Okay, perhaps

1049
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 2: we're not, you know, one of the best fifteen or

1050
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 2: twenty teams in the country year in and year out,

1051
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 2: but we share that passion in that feistiness or something

1052
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 2: like that. I think there is that in the Big Twelve.

1053
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 2: I think there is that in the SEC, that there

1054
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 2: are enough older rivalries and you kind of understand what

1055
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 2: the different schools are about, and there's enough scar tissue

1056
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 2: within the conference that look like Florida has its scar

1057
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: tissue with A and M and vice versa and Ole Miss,

1058
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 2: and you have the personalities and you have you know,

1059
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,959
Speaker 2: Ole Miss, Bama and South Carolina's played in a bunch

1060
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 2: of weird games against number of schools and now A

1061
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 2: and M has done that. Obviously LSU has a bunch

1062
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 2: of Really there's there's a lot of that connective webbing

1063
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 2: within the SEC that the SEC just sort of makes

1064
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 2: sense to me, even adding Texas and Oklahoma because of sure,

1065
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 2: you know Texas Alabama matchups in Oklahoma and Big Bowl

1066
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 2: games they they've got a lot of this. The Big

1067
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 2: Ten doesn't make any sense to me, Does it make that?

1068
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 2: Does it make sense to you? Because now we're talking

1069
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 2: about a conference that has the number of traditional Big

1070
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 2: ten powers or Big ten powers ish in the Michigan schools,

1071
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 2: Penn State, Ohio State, Wisconsin, that they've done a lot

1072
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 2: of great things against each other nationally, they played in

1073
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 2: a lot of big games. It makes sense. You've got

1074
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 2: a number of schools in the Big Ten that are

1075
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 2: either recent or have not really done much to affect

1076
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 2: things in the conference in the modern era, Indiana, Purdue, Rutgers, Maryland, Nebraska,

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00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,720
Speaker 2: and I don't know, Minnesota just sort of finds itself

1078
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 2: in the middle. There as occupying different you know, different limbs,

1079
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 2: occupying different parts of those ideals. And then you're adding

1080
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 2: West Coast powers in quote unquote powers with some of

1081
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 2: these schools, but like in the La School Washington and

1082
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 2: so the Big Ten doesn't make sense to me in

1083
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 2: the way that those other conferences do because it just

1084
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 2: seems kind of scattershot as you try to connect ideals

1085
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 2: or history or rivalries or what is actually interesting about

1086
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 2: the conference because year in and year out, the most interesting

1087
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 2: thing about the conference to me is either an upset

1088
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 2: or having, you know, Penn State Michigan be a top

1089
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 2: ten matchup Ohio State Penn State, or Wisconsin Ohio State.

1090
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 2: And now you're just you're adding in elements of like

1091
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 2: four different kinds of things. It doesn't make sense to me.

1092
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 2: I don't know, Maybe I'm crazy.

1093
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: I think it makes more sense to think of conference

1094
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: re alignment as a fantasy draft versus anything here on earth,

1095
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: one that exists in reality. Right when you're clumping together

1096
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: big names for the sake of TV revenue, then it

1097
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:56,959
Speaker 1: makes sense as a fantasy draft. But when you're trying

1098
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: to clump them together in terms of tradition and schools

1099
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: that actually fit together in a natural sense, No, from

1100
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: that standpoint, it doesn't make a whole lot.

1101
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 2: It's like, I always bring things back to food, Ty,

1102
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 2: this is who I am, This is who I'm always

1103
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 2: going to be. You like Thai food? I do? Yeah,

1104
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 2: you're like, I'm into Thai food. There's a Thai restaurant around.

1105
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 2: Super cool. Also, it's your name, so I understand it.

1106
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 2: Do you like sushi?

1107
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: I do?

1108
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 2: Do you like dim sum or Chinese? What? Yes? How

1109
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 2: do you feel about a restaurant that serves all three.

1110
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: Right, we're talking about a cheesecake factory and not a sponsor.

1111
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 2: Could be do they do all three?

1112
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: I think they do everything that they do every on

1113
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: some level.

1114
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. They've got a book for a menu.

1115
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 2: You're just like, Man, what am I interested in specifically

1116
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 2: with this place? I guess I'll just get the burger.

1117
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 2: If they're serving a burger, that's the safest way out.

1118
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 2: But like that, to me is the the end game

1119
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 2: of all of this is I understand how the ACC

1120
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 2: and the former PAC twelve makes sense. I don't understand

1121
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 2: how this new look Big ten makes sense. I just don't.

1122
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 2: I it's likely because I am slow, But short of that,

1123
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 2: it's like I don't. I don't get it. I don't

1124
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 2: And so maybe that that'll change by week seven of

1125
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. I don't know. But that's where I'm

1126
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 2: struck with all of this. That I can squit and

1127
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 2: make sense of the rest of it, not this at all.

1128
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: I feel bad for the guy who's got to reorganize

1129
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 1: or gal who's got to reorganize. The schedule reveal for

1130
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four for the Big Ten. I feel bad

1131
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: for that person because they made a big to do

1132
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: of it. Big to do. They beat the sec to

1133
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: the punch to unveil their schedules and they're protected plus

1134
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: whatever they called it. They gotta ready do the whole

1135
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: damn thing now, Yeah, whole damn thing. We're going to

1136
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: watch them. Look. Much more to be said on this

1137
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 1: topic as we forge ahead into twenty twenty four, whether

1138
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 1: it's the Big twelve, whether it's the Big Ten, whether

1139
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: it's who knows where things go with the ACC We

1140
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: have some actual football to discuss that is coming up

1141
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: very very soon. That's why we wanted to get this

1142
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: show out of the way. On our next episode, we're

1143
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 1: going to give our I guess official predictions yeah for

1144
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four on both the macro and micro levels, Dan.

1145
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 2: Will this finally be the year and you probably play

1146
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 2: closer attention. You do pay closer attention to this than

1147
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 2: I do. But will this be the year where like

1148
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 2: ESPN unveils their like big pop song that they use

1149
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 2: for bumpers and commercials. Will this be the year? We're like,

1150
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 2: I've just never heard of this person singing this song.

1151
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 2: Are we going to be old enough this year because

1152
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 2: I think going back, we've had that like like I

1153
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 2: don't know this country person or I don't really know

1154
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 2: this rapper this rock band, but I've heard their name

1155
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 2: and like as I hear this song, like oh, I've

1156
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 2: kind of heard this on social media or come across

1157
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 2: it somewhere. Will this be the air where it's just like, no,

1158
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 2: no concept for this musical act.

1159
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 1: It's possible.

1160
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 2: It's it's you listen to more pop radio than I do.

1161
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it's definitely possible for you. It's increasingly possible

1162
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 1: for me.

1163
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, unless it's like The Impossibles or Spring heel Jack,

1164
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 2: like a super obscure ska band from two thousand, it's

1165
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 2: gonna be tough. It's gonna be tough for me because

1166
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 2: there is going to be a year. Could this be

1167
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 2: an ed M artist year where it's just good?

1168
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: Yeah? As the ever world? Does we know it? Are em?

1169
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 2: You ever see like a Hot Ones advertised where they're like, oh,

1170
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 2: we had Brittle on and he's like, I don't know

1171
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 2: who Brittle is, not even anywhere near, but yeah, that's

1172
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 2: going to be I don't know if it's my prediction

1173
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 2: for us this year with the college football season, but

1174
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 2: it's on the horizon.

1175
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 1: Tie right in soberbagmail dot com is always that as

1176
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: the email. Hit us up on social media, let us

1177
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: know where you're listening and what take is on all

1178
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 1: of our takes here today, we are excited to actually

1179
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: start talking about real American football being played on the

1180
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: college football level. Wow, it will be here before you

1181
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: know it. How to get this show out of the way.

1182
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 1: In the meantime, for that guy over there, my good

1183
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 1: friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Tie Hillebrandt, we will talk

1184
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: to y'all on Thursday. At meantime, stay solid, Peace,