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Speaker 1: Bold reverence and occasionally randomed. The Sunday Hang with Clay

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Speaker 1: and Buck podcast. It starts now play. I'm a coffee drinker.

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Speaker 2: I love coffee, and sometimes I like to just go

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Speaker 2: for a little stroll and get some of the morning.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of a ritual. I'll make it myself at

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Speaker 2: home some days. The other days I'd like to go

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Speaker 2: for a walk and in my neighborhood coffee place, which

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Speaker 2: is always bustling, they have not only do they ask

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Speaker 2: for a tip, but I believe it also has a

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Speaker 2: mandatory service charge added to your bill. So when you

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Speaker 2: get your pumpkin spiced oat milk latte with an extra

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Speaker 2: sprinkle of cinnamon, for example, not that either of us

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Speaker 2: would ever drink such a thing, but when you get that,

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Speaker 2: you are charged a twenty I think it's eighteen or

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Speaker 2: twenty percent service fee on the initial charge, and then

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Speaker 2: it asked you want to give an additional It's kind

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Speaker 2: of like in hotels, which I really, I really don't

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Speaker 2: like this. You know, they'll do like room service in

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Speaker 2: hotels a lot of the time, it'll say, you know

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Speaker 2: what tip are you going to give? Well, there's a

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Speaker 2: fifteen dollars service charge to bring you a cheeseburger on

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Speaker 2: a plate, right, so that's supposed to be the tip.

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Speaker 2: Pew did a bunch of polling on this, and the

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Speaker 2: American public, according to Pew Research on this new survey,

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Speaker 2: seventy two percent say they opposed businesses with automatic service

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Speaker 2: charges on bills.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of this.

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Speaker 3: Sirch, Tipping is out of control in this country, period,

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Speaker 3: And I think everybody out there listening, even people who

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Speaker 3: that happen. For most of Lifebuck, you didn't have to

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Speaker 3: You understood, hey, restaurant servers, they're making two three dollars

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Speaker 3: an hour or whatever it is, and so you're going

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Speaker 3: to tip on it. The first time that I really

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Speaker 3: saw this start to take off, and you may remember

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Speaker 3: this too, was they started asking you to tip when

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Speaker 3: you went and picked up your own food. Restaurants started

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Speaker 3: having to go. This is pre COVID restaurants would have

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Speaker 3: to go. And let's say you went to outback steakhouse

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Speaker 3: they would have your food and you'd be asked to

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Speaker 3: now I every time I buy something, I feel like

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Speaker 3: I'm being asked to tip. Have you noticed this where

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Speaker 3: well you basically already getting charged. It doesn't even matter

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Speaker 3: It's like fifteen twenty sixty eight percent. You're like, well,

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Speaker 3: I mean this seems like a lot.

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Speaker 2: Well, also this thing of you're in a line of

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Speaker 2: people and the people behind you, let's say, and they

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Speaker 2: flip that tip screen spot. Yeah, you never want to

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Speaker 2: you know, you never know someone you know, somebody on

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Speaker 1: Guys, you know, zero tip.

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Speaker 2: Like, you know, say, there's a little bit of it

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Speaker 2: feels mildly coercive to around the tiply coercive.

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Speaker 3: I think it's almost completely coercive. Because I tip, I

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Speaker 3: feel fortunate to be able to do so. But given

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Speaker 3: how much prices have already gone up, the idea that

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Speaker 3: of extraordinarily high prices oftentimes for people not actually doing anything.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is my one of my only things about

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Speaker 2: with something. But but just you know, the tipping has

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Speaker 1: That's about all Amen Sunday Sizzle with clay and buck.

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Speaker 2: Fun fact that burn the boats comes from hernand Cortes

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Speaker 2: and the invasion of the Aztec Empire, and not either one.

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Speaker 1: To know but where it came from.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that's that's generally. You know, you know, he

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Speaker 1: But I was thinking about this also yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Because you mentioned to burn the boat's thing, and we

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Speaker 2: I also mentioned Napoleon and someone wrote in Genghis Khan

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Speaker 2: the case of the Khan of the Khanate and Genghis

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Speaker 2: Khan in particularly, you're talking about, I mean mass destruction

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Speaker 2: a that's a tough one, but incredible military machine. The Mongols.

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Speaker 3: Khan like, there's some insane percentage of his DNA that

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Speaker 1: This I do not know. I've heard something along those lines. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: You probably weren't expecting ginghis Khan genealogy, but it's some

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Speaker 3: unbelievable number of children that he individually and his family

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Speaker 2: I also think if you're talking about the greatest generals

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Speaker 2: who were strategic geniuses. A little bit, you know, you

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Speaker 3: You know. Actually you got me thinking now too, like

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Speaker 3: who is the greatest American general of all time?

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Speaker 2: This audience gets, we'll get our VIPs on email, because

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Speaker 2: us your the greatest American general of all would you argue,

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Speaker 2: I think you'd get a lot of people who would say,

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Speaker 2: based on results, Douglas MacArthur has to be high on

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Speaker 2: I think people would argue that. Now others would say

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Speaker 1: That is just that is a fact. Of military history.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you could no one's saying here,

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Speaker 1: Who comes to mind for you.

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Speaker 3: From the American side, Well, it's gonna be even more

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Speaker 3: or so I'll give you a couple from the Civil War.

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Speaker 3: Nathan Bedford Forest, to me is probably the greatest cavalry

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Speaker 3: some interesting stories buck again just talking military genius. If

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Speaker 3: impressed by Forrest reportedly was Rommel, who traveled pre World

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was about to bring up that. You know,

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Speaker 2: Ramel wasn't you know, Nazi fighting World War Two. But

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Speaker 3: And that he came here and studied and walked the

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Speaker 2: And I mentioned Hernan Cortes at the beginning and the

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Speaker 2: was had a human sacrifice in slavery by the way,

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Speaker 2: but the Aztec Empire, massive slave empire, actually you don't

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Speaker 3: We've got some Gighis con updates. Let me also give

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Speaker 1: Yeah you're you're on you Oh yeah, I said Robert Lee.

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Speaker 3: Nathan bed Forrest, who had a checkered at best passed

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Speaker 3: The idea when Sherman decided to begin his march to

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Speaker 3: And obviously Sherman's ability to basically fight the will of

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Speaker 1: You throwing Grant under the bus here. No, no, I

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say, George Washington, if you look at

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Speaker 2: Actually George kept the army together during very tough times.

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Speaker 3: You go look at George Washington on the battlefield as

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Speaker 2: But he was an insurgent, and insurgents just have to

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Speaker 2: And also if you want to say, okay, if you

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Speaker 2: promise we'll get to that too. But eight hundred two

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Speaker 1: I'm sure we're leaving people out there.

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Speaker 1: How dare I?

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Speaker 2: I'll balance it for the left wingers by saying that

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Speaker 2: Zukov in the Second you know, Soviet Zukov in the

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Speaker 2: Second World War was a very effective general and tactician

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Speaker 2: in the Soviet sense, which means, you know, lose as

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Speaker 1: And by the way, Stonewall Jackson genius.

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Speaker 3: I should have obviously mentioned him, but he obviously is

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Speaker 3: very well known. Sorry, I'm fired up here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there, he's fired up folks. Eight hundred two A

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Speaker 2: two two eight A two. We'll get back into some

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Speaker 2: of this. Let us know what you think about it.

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Speaker 2: And also our VIP sent us at Clayanbuck dot com

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Speaker 2: VIP send us your.

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Speaker 1: Thoughts Sunday draw with Klaan Buck.

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Speaker 3: Four call screeners never thought they were going to step

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Speaker 3: into greatest American general fire today with body.

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Speaker 1: You seal these VIP emails. We are drowning.

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Speaker 3: Lots of history hot takes coming in this this morning.

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Speaker 3: By the way, let me I was not far off

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Speaker 3: from my on my gar dingis Khan take Ali again

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Speaker 3: something she probably wasn't expecting to look up. Historians long

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Speaker 3: known that he had a ton of kids, But according

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Speaker 3: to a two thousand and three study in the American

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Speaker 3: Journal of Human Genetics, zero point five percent of the

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Speaker 3: world's male population is a descent of Ginghis Khan. Eight

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Speaker 3: percent of all men living in his former territory Buck

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Speaker 3: every two hundred people in men anyway that they can

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Speaker 3: trace through the Y chromosome, one in every two hundred

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Speaker 3: men is a descendant of Ginghis Khan and one in

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Speaker 3: every what is that? One in sixteen of every men

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Speaker 3: in the world area in which he conquered. That is unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: Now they said they knew he had a lot of kids.

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Speaker 3: Six i'ves untold number of concubines, But and it could

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Speaker 3: be I guess his son's as well.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: I imagine that Genghis Khan had a lot of suns,

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Speaker 3: and that would obviously have continued as well, and they

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Speaker 2: It makes sense because when people, for example, are having

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Speaker 2: might have some gang. Yeah, makes makes perfect sense.

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Speaker 3: And yes, the the amount of emails that are rolling in.

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Speaker 2: Right now, I can't I look at you. You just

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Speaker 2: that was just you were just starting the fire there.

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Speaker 1: You were throwing. You were throwing an M.

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Speaker 2: Eighty into a bucket of gasoline with your well, I

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Speaker 2: guess that would actually put it out, But you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean, you're.

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Speaker 3: Throwing George, my George Washington, Washington, take my George, which

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Speaker 3: is accurate historically, military historians, they're nodding all the rest

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Speaker 3: of you are ready to tar and feather.

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Speaker 1: Me and and throw me in the IM just want

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Speaker 1: to say, I sit here.

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Speaker 2: I have total solidarity with George Washington on this issue.

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Speaker 2: I think that he had a very tough hand that

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Speaker 3: So militarily he was a poor general. Now in terms

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Speaker 3: in the ring. I don't think GW took a great

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Speaker 1: I mean, its beenned, Nick Darnold talk over here. It's

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Speaker 1: all I can tell you. It's crazy. Crazy.

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Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Stonewall Jackson, the Valley Campaign, I was I was

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Speaker 3: talking about Nathan Bedford Forrest. Probably the greatest strategic military

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Speaker 3: campaign in in in our history is what Stonewall Jackson

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Speaker 3: did in the shenando A Valley, Uh, with the with

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Speaker 3: the with his army there. It's still unprecedented to this day.

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Speaker 3: What he accomplished incredibly brutal.

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Speaker 2: But Julius Caesar would be somebody you should also think

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Speaker 2: We think of him in a much more sort of

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Speaker 2: theatrical sense in getting stabbed and all that. Steve in

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Speaker 2: that we haven't talked about yet.

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Speaker 1: What's up, Steve?

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Speaker 3: How about General George Patton? Yep, that was one that

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Speaker 3: we yeah, one of the greatest thank you for the call,

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Speaker 3: maybe the greatest military movie ever made.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's that's that's a whole dude. That's it. You

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Speaker 1: can't just throw these you can't just drop these.

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Speaker 2: Bombs, Clay said, conversation, military movie, I know I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: What would you say is the best military movie ever?

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Speaker 2: Uh, most realistic, most realistic for modern combat, Blackhawk down,

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Speaker 2: best military movie ever made.

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Speaker 1: And dude, you can't put me on the spot like that.

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Speaker 1: You can't do that. I mean, there's so many.

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Speaker 3: Patton is so good, so good, I mean, Braveheart, Gladiator

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Speaker 2: I was thinking more like military combat. I mean, Saving

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Speaker 2: Private Ryan is a phenomenal movie that holds up incredibly well,

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Speaker 2: incredibly well made, So that has to be on my list.

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Speaker 3: And there's lots of tell it like Band of Brothers obviously,

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Speaker 3: that are television series that are incredibly well done. But Patton,

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Speaker 2: People are shouting out Apocalypse. Now, there's a lot of movies.

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Speaker 1: I see.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a person, but we could talk. We could

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Speaker 2: talk about that