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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host Mark Kenyon. In this episode number thirty three.

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Speaker 1: Today in the show, we're recapping the final hunts of

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Speaker 1: our RUT vacations and then discussing our lessons learned over

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Speaker 1: the course of the two thousand fourteen rut. Enjoy all right,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. And as I

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Speaker 1: mentioned today in the show, Dan and I are looking

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Speaker 1: back at the past few weeks of hunting during the

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Speaker 1: two thousand fourteen Rut and discussing our lessons learned. But first, Dan,

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Speaker 1: how are you? My friend? You know, I got a

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Speaker 1: little bit of tree stand withdrawal. Uh this week. Uh,

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Speaker 1: coming back to work was easy but hard, if that

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Speaker 1: makes sense. It was easy because I'm not suffering out

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Speaker 1: in this cold weather, and then it was hard because

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Speaker 1: I would rather be suffering out in this cold weather. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can relate. It's um gosh, is one of those

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Speaker 1: things that you dream about it all year and then

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Speaker 1: you get out there and you're freezing your butt off

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Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my gosh, this miserable, and then

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Speaker 1: as soon as you're done with it, you wish you're

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Speaker 1: right back out there, right. And I don't know. My

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Speaker 1: reality is slowly sinking into where my hunting season for

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Speaker 1: the most part is over. I may make it out

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Speaker 1: for a late season hunt, um, but you know, historically

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Speaker 1: in my area, once the shotgun hunters moved through and

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Speaker 1: the crops are out, they go other places that are

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Speaker 1: not my property. So, um, for the most part, I'm done.

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Speaker 1: I can't go hunting this weekend or next weekend, and

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Speaker 1: then the weekend after that, shotgun season starts for three

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Speaker 1: weeks in Iowa, and then after that it's pretty much

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Speaker 1: unless you have standing crops on your property, you're you're

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Speaker 1: out of luck. If Yeah, that's um depressing, Yeah it is, man,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. This season went by so fast too.

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Speaker 1: It just seems like it went by a lot faster

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Speaker 1: than normal. I know, I feel like every year goes

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Speaker 1: by faster than the last. It's just, uh, I think,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but maybe it's partly because I feel

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Speaker 1: like every year I'm working more and harder all throughout

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Speaker 1: the rest of the year leading up to the season,

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Speaker 1: and so all that build up, I think makes the

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Speaker 1: actual execution of it, the actual hunting season then just

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Speaker 1: fly by, right. And I think a little bit of

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Speaker 1: that has to do with, like you know, Toillebrand and

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Speaker 1: what you just said is we're preparing so much for

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Speaker 1: the season that when season does come, it's actually easier

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Speaker 1: for us to hunt because we've done so much prep

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Speaker 1: work the state. Some of the stands are trimmed out.

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Speaker 1: The only thing we're doing is the actual hunting, and

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Speaker 1: that that's the easy part, you know. And when it's easy,

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Speaker 1: it kind of goes by faster. Yeah, yeah, true, And

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Speaker 1: it's it's I'm right there with you in that it's

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Speaker 1: this weird and crazy build up to this point and

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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden it's gone. And I'm feeling like,

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Speaker 1: definitely my seasons on the downward spiral too really fast here. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm tagg down Ohio, which is great, but

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Speaker 1: here in Michigan you haven't been able to get things

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Speaker 1: to come together. And the farmer um who farms a

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Speaker 1: couple of the main properties that hunt here in Michigan,

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Speaker 1: disked up all the crop fields around my properties. Um,

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Speaker 1: so there's not a whole lot of good laces and

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Speaker 1: food left over. Um, some concerned about that. I've got

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Speaker 1: some good, some decent late season food plots I've planned,

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Speaker 1: but those even are getting picked over especially hard this year,

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Speaker 1: is well on the home front, right right, everybody's happy

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Speaker 1: It was, you know, two weeks so without without the family,

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Speaker 1: and that's like I mentioned you, I think on a

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Speaker 1: it if I should maybe ask the wife if I

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Speaker 1: which I know the answer to that, and I'll get

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Speaker 1: one of those that is the worst. So so I

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Speaker 1: don't think I'll even ask. And you know, for me,

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Speaker 1: far as hunting was concerned, just because, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: So there's always next year, I guess. Yeah, yeah, and

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Speaker 1: in a matter of weeks here We're gonna be talking

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Speaker 1: about the two thousand fifteen seasons. And that's pretty crazy. Yeah. Well, um,

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Speaker 1: most our conversation on to Dan, was talking about what

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Speaker 1: But before we get to that, I did want to quickly,

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Speaker 1: I'll detail what I saw here. Right, Let's see, I

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Speaker 1: two more since then, we've had we had two more

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Speaker 1: encounters with him UM. One at about eighty yards working

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Speaker 1: And then the second time at forty yards UM on

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Speaker 1: another trail, the doe came through UM and then instead

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Speaker 1: scrapes on it absolutely every year and so you know,

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Speaker 1: pictures on our trail cameras are a nighttime. But this

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Speaker 1: and so we were like, hell, why not let's just

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Speaker 1: And sure enough, we had a lot of encounters with

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Speaker 1: a lot of three year olds UM, one four year

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Speaker 1: old at a distance the big boy that we called

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Speaker 1: Looked a lot like him, but when we compared the pictures,

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Speaker 1: Show Jones buck that we were chasing. He had um,

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Speaker 1: let's see five six points six. He was a main

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Speaker 1: that next morning. We saw the same stand the next

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Speaker 1: morning in a very popular betting area and he didn't

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Speaker 1: he didn't come into rattling. He was a four year old,

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Speaker 1: probably between one and one fifty, ten pointer with crab

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Speaker 1: deer would come through. I mean, we played that cat

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Speaker 1: we're checking trail cameras. Here, oh man, big buck on

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Speaker 1: may have even seen the target buck that we were after,

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Speaker 1: We gotta go hunt this, you know, daylight pictures. We go,

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Speaker 1: we hunt it, We see the deer again. It was

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Speaker 1: but equally frustrating to be so close yet can't quite

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Speaker 1: pull it off. How how many different three and a

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Speaker 1: over the course of these two weeks of hunting three

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Speaker 1: and a half year old? Man, I don't even know.

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Speaker 1: I'll just start at four years old. We probably saw

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Speaker 1: maybe four or five four year olds, and then and

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Speaker 1: then the rest I guess would be older. So five, five, six,

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Speaker 1: and maybe one seven year old, UM, all at a disk,

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Speaker 1: all at a distance. But a majority of the bucks

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Speaker 1: that we saw were two and three year olds. And

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what going in, you know, I asked Ryan, hey, man,

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Speaker 1: what's your goal? He said, I'd like to get a

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Speaker 1: four year old and I'd like to get one in

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Speaker 1: the one forties. Uh. We never really had an encounter

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what. He did pass a really

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Speaker 1: good buck that was probably a four year old and

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Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But in Michigan, it's still fun

429
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 1: to just to see some bucks. But I did see

430
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: two three year olds, um, and one other buck that

431
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 1: might have been a three year old. UM. It was

432
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: hard to say. I never saw it was able to

433
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: get a really good look at his body. He was

434
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 1: always in this tall kind of crp grass. UM. None

435
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,479
Speaker 1: of them were giants, nothing, you know, incredibly impressive from

436
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: nailer standpoint. But it was nice to see that the

437
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: older deer I have on this property were on their

438
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: feet and chasing does. And one of those deer I

439
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,439
Speaker 1: saw was that eight pointer that um that you mentioned

440
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: there at the beginning. UM. And you know, as we

441
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: talked about over the course of the year, this these

442
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: couple of properties in Michigan that I hunt the most.

443
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 1: I just haven't been getting mature bucks on camera, not many. UM.

444
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 1: The only two bucks that I had on camera there

445
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: was one that was a real teeter tyler buck. I

446
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: wasn't sure if he was three or not. Based on

447
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 1: the pictures. He didn't have really good you know, antler growth. UM.

448
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: So it looked like a set of two year old

449
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: antler was on a three year old's body, but once

450
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 1: the rut hit, you could really start to see his

451
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: body characteristics clearly defined as the three and a half

452
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: year old. So that deer I kind of dubbed tin.

453
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: I've been calling him tiny because he's he's a three

454
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:03,959
Speaker 1: and a half year old. He's got tiny rack, so

455
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: that's what I'm calling him. And then this other buck

456
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: um that you mentioned. It was an eight pointer, and

457
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 1: I've gotten a handful pictures of him here and there,

458
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: but never could quite get a really good look at him.

459
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 1: And as I mentioned last week, I finally started getting

460
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 1: good pictures. He was all over the place and um,

461
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: he's got a three and a half year old, nice

462
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: slid a pointer And like I said, I saw him

463
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: chasing does that morning as well as tiny, and so

464
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: I decided to call this eight pointer call him big,

465
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: just so I've got big and tiny is my two

466
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 1: bucks three yearls run around and my hope is um

467
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: tiny for sure. I'm I'm gonna pass on him and

468
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: let him get to next year because I'd like to

469
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: see him just turn into Uh. He'll never be a

470
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 1: great scoring buck, I don't think, but he'll be a

471
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 1: solid four year old hopefully get some mass and it's cool,

472
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 1: cool deer, and it'd be neat because I've got two

473
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: years of trial camera pictures of him and tons of

474
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,239
Speaker 1: encounters now with him. So I'd love to see him

475
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: make it to next year and then if big, if

476
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: he makes it, he'll be a real done next year. Um.

477
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: But I'd still love you to crack at him this

478
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: year because he's a nice salad buck. So I saw

479
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 1: him Wednesday, um, chasing a dough. And then Thursday I

480
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: got out and just it was a little slower. I

481
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: saw five or six bucks, but they were all year

482
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: and a half holds and just a decent number of dough.

483
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: Was nothing too exciting. Definitely was a lot slower than

484
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: that Wednesday. And then Friday morning I moved up to

485
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: another spot. Um. And you know, the tough thing about

486
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: this property I was hunting is that the majority of

487
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: the action I was seeing was happening on my neighbor's property. Um.

488
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: On the property I'm hunting. Like I said, the crop

489
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: fields got plowed under, and so that the deer weren't

490
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: betting in the big swampy betting ears that they usually

491
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: do on my farm. Most of the activity was happening

492
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,479
Speaker 1: on my neighbors. Um. And so because of that, I

493
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: was only able to hunt near the edges sort of

494
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: my property. But a lot of the action I was

495
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: seeing happening in this crp and this cover on his side,

496
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 1: and I was just hoping, you know, if I can

497
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: get close enough to that, maybe a dough will lead

498
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: him my way. Um. And it just never happened. But

499
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 1: Friday morning I did push up to another kind of

500
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: around the corner of this property up until as close

501
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: as I could get to this other bedding area on

502
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 1: the neighbors. And that morning again I saw Big chasing

503
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: a dough, this time about a hundred yards away. Um.

504
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: Just you know, just can never get him to to

505
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: come any closer than that. But it was nice to

506
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: see him on his feet again. He's out there. Um.

507
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: And you know, now my plane and we'll talk more

508
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: about this in future episodes. But what I do on

509
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: these Michigan properties, um, because our hunting pressure is so

510
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: intense down here in southern Michigan. I mean it's really intense.

511
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: I mean every property around me has two to five

512
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: it probably. I mean, if I was out there on

513
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: opening day of guns season, there'd be there'd be literally,

514
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: I would guess thirty to forty different hunters in this

515
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: one block um you know, five acres or whatever it

516
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: is or acres um a lot of hunters and also

517
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: out and right arounds property. And so because of that,

518
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: the tact I've taken on these couple of farms is

519
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: to leave them completely alone during the firearms season and

520
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: let them become a sanctuary so that any deer being

521
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: pushed by all these other gun hunters and all the

522
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: other properties will come into my properties and say, hey,

523
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: there's no one here, this is a safe spot. And

524
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: then you know, as you know, I've worked pretty hard

525
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 1: in the off season to establish quality habitat with good bedding,

526
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: cover and good food plots on some of these spots

527
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: so that when they do get there, they've got the

528
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: food and cover they need to be comfortable. And my

529
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: hope is that by doing this, more of these bucks

530
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: from the surrounding areas will come to my property and

531
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: they'll make it through the guns season, and that allows

532
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: me to have you know, more dear and more success

533
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: possible after gun season. So December for me is when

534
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: when I'll be spending some more time out here, um

535
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: in that late season, hoping to capitalize on what I

536
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: call my my guns season sanctuary strategy. Um. So that's

537
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: kind of what I'm doing right now. I'm leaving these

538
00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: properties alone. I've got a handful of cameras out there,

539
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: hoping to collect, you know, some insight into what's been

540
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: happening while I'm gone. And so once I once December hits,

541
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: I'll sneak out there, check those cameras, see what happened,

542
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: and then make a make a game plan from there.

543
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: But that's kind of where things stand for me. Um.

544
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: You know, I headed up to our Northern Michigan deer

545
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: camp for a couple of days for the firearm opener,

546
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: had a great time out there with my family and friends.

547
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: And now I'm I'm back down here, catching up on

548
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: some work, catching up on some family time, and biding

549
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: biding my time till my next adventurous here in Michigan

550
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: or maybe Indiana. Are you now? Are you done with

551
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: other states? Or you're gonna head back to Indiana? Maybe? Yeah,

552
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: I think, Um, it's gonna it's gonna depend on you know,

553
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: just like you, I need to clear make sure, make

554
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: sure good things are good in the home front before

555
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: I go in any more trips, I guess is the

556
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: way to put it. Make the wife happy. Yeah, um,

557
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: but assuming um, you know, all is good on that front. Um,

558
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: I would like to try to get back to Indiana

559
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: at some point because I think there there is some

560
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: opportunity there, so I would love to get back down there.

561
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: And then at some point I'd love to get a

562
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: quick trip to Ohio um to try to take a

563
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: dough down there, because I know the landowner would love

564
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: to see us get a few more dear, So I'd

565
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: love to get down there and maybe help out Josh

566
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: drag a big buck out too. So those are my

567
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: hopes and plans for these next kind of six weeks

568
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: of the season. Cool. Well, hopefully you uh you knock

569
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: something down man, I know, like you said, the further

570
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: in in November and the year that we get harder

571
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: and harder it gets. Yeah, yeah, it really does. Um.

572
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: But I guess before we dive into that, um, we'll

573
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: talk about that next week and the week after that,

574
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: and we'll dive into some late season tactics. But today

575
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: I want to kind of I want to regroup post rut.

576
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: Here we've just lived through our two thousand fourteen rough vacations,

577
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: and we've had a few days now to decompress and

578
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: to think through some of these things I think that

579
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: we've experienced, and I thought maybe we could do a

580
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: little bit of, um a debrief on maybe what you

581
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: and I have learned from the two thousand fourteen run.

582
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: And I personally haven't really thought through a lot of

583
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: these things yet, UM, but I've kind of put some

584
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: different questions together. I think maybe we can get our

585
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: our brains kind of turning on this and get some

586
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: conversation started, and maybe you and I can uncover a

587
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: couple of things that we've learned, and maybe that will

588
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: be insightful to listeners or maybe just get them thinking

589
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: about things that they experienced and what they can learn

590
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: from them. So that's kind of my hope for this

591
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: next minutes of the show. Is that sound sound good?

592
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: I say, we do it? Cool? Man? Um, Well, how

593
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: about this. I'm curious, you know, if I break down

594
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: the different things, we might have different categories of lessons

595
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: we might have learned. The first thing I started thinking

596
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: about was, you know, purely from a you know, a

597
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: dear and dear behavior standpoint, you know, what did we

598
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: learn a about deer about the rut? Um? So I

599
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: don't know, Dan, what do you think for you, did

600
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: you learn anything over the past couple of weeks about

601
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: dear behavior or mature buck behavior or the rut in

602
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,479
Speaker 1: general that you think, um, that you can tell us about. Yeah,

603
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: I mean every year I learned a little bit more,

604
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: I say, when it comes to uh a dear behavior.

605
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: But there there was a couple of things this year

606
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: that that really stood out. And the first one was

607
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: I noticed that a lot of deer we're moving with

608
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,719
Speaker 1: the wind to their back, like they were going with

609
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: the wind, you know, heading in the direction of the wind.

610
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: So I was you know, and what made me think

611
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: about this is we hunted over this little marsh area

612
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: and that's where we had the encounter with the big

613
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: the big boy, and that's where we saw a majority

614
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: of the deer movement. They would come out of a

615
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: finger of timber, they would circle through this draw they'd

616
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: follow of a really thick fence line back to another

617
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: um another finger of timber. So they had their back

618
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: to the wind or like they were coming with the wind,

619
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: so the wind was not in their favor coming up

620
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: one of these ridges. And I always thought that that

621
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: was a no no. But at some point throughout a

622
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: day I noticed that these bucks are are are more

623
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: and more vulnerable than we think they are once they

624
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: get the females on their mind. UM. Now, the mature

625
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: buck when he came in, he was he came into

626
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: the area that um he wanted to set check where

627
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: all these does were kind of coming and it's like

628
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: a staging area before they went out to the crops.

629
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: But we had a southeast end and he came in

630
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: cornering towards the wind and came along the fence line.

631
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: He was getting ready before um Ryan missed him to

632
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,959
Speaker 1: jump the fence and leave the area with his back

633
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: to the wind, going with the wind. So I think

634
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: what I'm what I'm thinking here is these dear no

635
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: have have a destination in their head. They're specific betting

636
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: areas that they know they want to check. They're they're

637
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: not out cruising. They do have this agenda and um

638
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: they go from you know, I don't know, it's like

639
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: a hierarchy of betting areas. You know, betting area one.

640
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna check it all right now, I'm gonna take

641
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: the path of least resistance to the second betting area.

642
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: I don't care what the wind is, I'm going in

643
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 1: that direction. Uh. Then he'll find the down wind side

644
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: of that scent, check it, and then go to the

645
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: next And it's just basically um process of elimination, and

646
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: they keep running the circuit until they find a hot

647
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: dough or I don't know, they moved to another area.

648
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: That was That was the first thing that really stuck

649
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: out in my head. Yeah, that's that's definitely something that

650
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 1: I've seen too. And I can't remember if we talked

651
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: about it here, if it was on the rules of

652
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: the rut. But um, did we talk about this study

653
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: in Texas that basically explains the exact same behavior. Do

654
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: we talk about that yet? I don't think so. Okay,

655
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: So there was there was a study down in some

656
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: institute down in Texas where the GPS colored a whole

657
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: bunch of different bucks and and basically what they were

658
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: looking at was, you know, is movement during the rut random?

659
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: You know, like lots of us think of this bucks

660
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: chasing does all over the place, and what they Yeah,

661
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: we did talk about this, yet we didn't talk about

662
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 1: a little bit, so yeah, you know. In short, basically,

663
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: what they found is that bucks do exactly what you

664
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: just said, and its intuitive we kind of know this,

665
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 1: but bucks have, like you said, a series of betting

666
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: ears that those are their focal points, and they the

667
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: way they spend their time during the rut is cycling

668
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: through those betting ears or those dough hotspots. They check one.

669
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: If they don't find their hot dough there, they move

670
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: on to the next one, and then of course there's

671
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: a wrench thrown into things when they do find a

672
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: hot dough and they start chasing. But as soon as

673
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: they're done with that dough, it's right back to the cycle. Um.

674
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: And I think there's a lot of truth to what

675
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: you said too, And I think, you know, the topic

676
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 1: of how dear move with the wind is something that

677
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 1: I've I really want to dive deeper into because there's

678
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: so many different opinions on him. You always hear like

679
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: most of the time bucks like to move with the

680
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 1: wind in their favor in some way, or at least

681
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: with the wind quartering and some are cross winds they

682
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: can catch something. But then you know, you hear sometimes well,

683
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: they only want the wind in their face when they're

684
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: going to move into their bedding area, and so they

685
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: do a jayhook down to under to get down onto

686
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 1: their beds um. But when they go into feeding areas,

687
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: they you know, look at a feeding are with their

688
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 1: eyes and they want to smell behind them too, you know,

689
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: because they can watch ahead of them, and they want

690
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: to smell if there's danger coming from behind. So I've

691
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: heard so many different takes on this, and um, I

692
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: can't say if I know definitively what I believe anymore

693
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: because I've seen so many examples of every single different possibility.

694
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: So it's something I think we should, you know, talk

695
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: to more people about and get more opinions on and

696
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: and try to set some clearer lines of understanding, because

697
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: it's still something that I'm fascinated by and equally perplexed.

698
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: I'd say, yeah, and I agree with you the thing

699
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: about you know that we're never going to know why

700
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: doer do certain things or why how they play the

701
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: winds because we will never have that sense. So we

702
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: can't explain what a deer is doing when we we

703
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: don't think like them and we don't smell like them.

704
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: So you know, we can read you know, do scientific research,

705
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: and we can, you know, talk about it all we want.

706
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: It's just, I think, to be honest with you, it's

707
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: just one of those things that hunters just have to

708
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: deal with. Yeah, that's the truth. How how cool to be?

709
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 1: Its really just one day if we could get a

710
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: deer to like talk in English and explain explain why

711
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: he does what he does, like, how that would just

712
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: open our eyes to an entirely new world. I've got

713
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: to imagine. I thought you were going to say the opposite.

714
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: How cool would it be if we thought like a

715
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: deer for one day. I was gonna say, I get

716
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: hit by a car. Yeah, I'm not gonna go there,

717
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: oh down wind of a college bar with in my

718
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: in my younger years. Yes, And then oh boy, here

719
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: we go the next thing that I noticed, and I

720
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 1: here's kind of another funny story, Like I just remember

721
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 1: my dad never listening to any of my stories about

722
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: college or anything. He could have his his head down

723
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,959
Speaker 1: in the newspaper or magazine and we're watching the TV

724
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: and I try to tell him the story, and it

725
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: really wouldn't get his attention until I said something like, well,

726
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: you know, and then she took her shirt off, and

727
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: then he kind of he kind of pops and you know,

728
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: I'd only say it just to get his attention, and

729
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: he kind of put his head up and then know

730
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: that it was wasn't anything, and then put his head

731
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 1: back down to ignoring me again. Well, that is what

732
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: I kind of saw as far as calling at a

733
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: matured dear this year. What an awesome analogy about it. Yeah,

734
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: I mean, so we're sitting here and we're watching this,

735
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: you know, we're watching this big buck work down this

736
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: fence line and he's a shooter all day, and we

737
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:40,479
Speaker 1: pull out the grunk call and his ear the only

738
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: thing that comes up is his ear. He doesn't even

739
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: stop moving. You can tell he noticed us. His ear

740
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: turned back, but he had something else on his He

741
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: had other places he'd rather be. I mean, there's no

742
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: doze with him. Then we rattled, and he was facing

743
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: away from us. When he rattled, he turned around and

744
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: he looked in our direction, and then he turned away

745
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: the Then finally we did a snort weez, you know,

746
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: kind of like the last thing we had to win

747
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: in our favorite everything, And he stopped and he got

748
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: real tense, and he he like his ears kind of

749
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: went back a little bit and you could tell he

750
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: was a little bristled up. But then but then that

751
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: was it. Then he then he made his way off.

752
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: And man, I don't know, the more I call, the

753
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: less I call, because I just don't think these mature

754
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: deer you have to catch them at the right exact

755
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: that the perfect moment for them to come into a call.

756
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: I mean, we had we had yearlings, two year olds

757
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 1: and three year olds coming into calls all day long.

758
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: But those aren't the deer we're after. And if those

759
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: aren't the deer we're after, why are we calling? You know.

760
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 1: So it's just one of those things where these mature

761
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: dear We didn't really start calling until I'd say, maybe

762
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: the ninth where we would maybe start doing some blind rattling. Um,

763
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 1: we did grunt for the most part at these mature

764
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: box you know, we may not have rattled. But I

765
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: just don't think they care. I think they have their

766
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: own agenda, they have their own set of rules they

767
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: live by, and very very rarely they would come in

768
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: if at all, or even care even care about it.

769
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: Very interesting. It's you know, if you don't mind mutual

770
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: well I'll wait a second. Because I've got some thoughts

771
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: on this too, um from a from a tactic standpoint,

772
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: but I've I guess I'll just dive right into it.

773
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 1: I've seen some of the same things myself, but at

774
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: the same time, recently, especially this year, I've seen grunting

775
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: work better than usual for me, UM. But I think

776
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: I attribute that to something you you pointed out. You

777
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: said you have to do it at the exact right time,

778
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: And I think what we were able to do in

779
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: the couple encounters I had where I was able to

780
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 1: grunt in amature deer was get that timing just right.

781
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: So let me share three examples. I was successful in

782
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: grunting in three different mature bucks um nearly into shooting

783
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: range or into shooting range, and the first one was

784
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: the buck I killed. The second two were bucks um

785
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 1: while I was filming my buddy Josh. And in two

786
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: of those times we didn't We waited to grunt until

787
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: right when he was in an area or right about

788
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 1: to get onto a trail where he could go. It

789
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: could would be very easy for him. The path of

790
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: least resistance would be to come towards us already. So

791
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: it was like at a t so in the case

792
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: of my buck, he was heading towards essentially a t

793
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: in the road. If he turned right at the tea,

794
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: he'd come my direction. If he turned left at the tea,

795
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: he would go um away from me. As soon as

796
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: he hit that tea intersection. Is when I grunted. I

797
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 1: gave him one guttural, deep grunt, and that was enough

798
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: for him to say, hey, you know what, that's reason

799
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: enough to continue to move to the right. If I'm

800
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: gonna go left or right, I'll check that out to

801
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: go the right. And it was easy for him to

802
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: make that decision. Now, if I grunted, um, you know,

803
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: thirty seconds earlier, when he was way up, not at

804
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 1: the tea, in a totally different section, and it would

805
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: be much more difficult for him to come straight towards me.

806
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: He may not have reacted at all. Or he might

807
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: have stood there and listened for a while and I

808
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: would have grown it again, and he would have said

809
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: a little weird, that's kind of weird, and then I'd

810
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: snort ways out him maybe and they said, now this

811
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 1: this seems sketchy, and he'd bail out of there. Um.

812
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what would happen. Um, scenario number two, another

813
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: buck this time. Um the next day, this buck is

814
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: come cruising across the ridge line in front of us,

815
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: and this ridge goes in front of us, just a

816
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: kind of consistent ridge until it gets to a finger

817
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: that comes down off that ridge right towards us. And

818
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: the steer is going across the ridge, and and I

819
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: thought to myself, as soon as he hits that finger,

820
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: this t again as a T intersection kind of if

821
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: if we grunted to him when he was still on

822
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: that ridge, there'd be no easy way for him to

823
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 1: get to us unless he walked, you know, fifty yards

824
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 1: down the ridge and then turn left. But I thought,

825
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: if we wait until he gets to that finger right

826
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: at the intersection, where he could, if he chooses to

827
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: do so, could very easily come straight down to us,

828
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: that would be the time to do it. So we waited,

829
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: and we grunted right when he got to that T intersection,

830
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: and the same thing as with my buccan ohio, he

831
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: it was it was just easy. We're right there, and

832
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: he was able to drop right down the finger right

833
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: to us, and you know, he got really close. Now

834
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: those two worked pretty well. The third instance was then

835
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: the following day, actually I think it was, and this

836
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: time we had a big buck show up and was

837
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: just out shooting range. And at this point I didn't

838
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: I didn't see this scenario. And if I had better

839
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: seeing the situation now in retrospect, I think we could

840
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: have killed this deer. But we saw this buck. He's

841
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 1: at forty five or fifty yards and he's walking away

842
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: from us stimulan and so him said, Josh, give him

843
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: a goodheart grunt. So give him a grunt. He stops

844
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: and looks, turns and keeps walking away, grunting more time, stops,

845
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,959
Speaker 1: turns and looks and keeps going. So what I thought

846
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: he was going to be doing is I thought he

847
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: wasn't just keep on walking away. When I didn't realize

848
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: that I should have known, I should have remembered this.

849
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: But there's a deep ravine right between us and him

850
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: that I that I couldn't see because of some cover.

851
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: But there was this like seven ft ravine, the deep

852
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 1: cut that that buck was not going to jump across

853
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: to come get to us, because he wasn't that interested.

854
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: If we had waited until he walked further down where

855
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 1: he was going. Because now as I remember I watched

856
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: and walked down as he walked continue the way he went.

857
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: He would eventually hit across sing where all the deer

858
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: get to this crossing. They crossed that cut and then

859
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: they continue onto our ridge and would have walked right

860
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: parallel beneath us at thirty yards. If we had waited

861
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: to grunt or not grunted at all, he probably would

862
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: have walked down, got to that crossing and he might

863
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: have continued the way he was going. At that point,

864
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: maybe we would grunt to him um and maybe he

865
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: would have been it was been easier for him to

866
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: make decision to just hop over that little crossing, or

867
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: we might not have needed a grunt at all, because

868
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: he would have already taken that path of least resistance

869
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: and given us that shot opportunity. But I think we

870
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: preemptively grunted at a time when he couldn't react positively,

871
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: forcing us to overcall and to eventually, you know, lose

872
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: that opportunity. So I think that's something I learned when

873
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: it comes to calling to these mature DearS. I really

874
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: think through when the best time would be and try

875
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: to time it to make it as easy as possible

876
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: for that buck to to positively respond, right, Yeah, I

877
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: I do those same things. Man. I know for a

878
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: fact we didn't overcall on some of these deer um

879
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: one grunt maybe two and that's it, and we would

880
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 1: we would give up at that point because you know,

881
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: the last thing you want to do is spook him.

882
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: And if they're not gonna come, they're not gonna come.

883
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 1: Yeah yea. For me, I've definitely gone the same way. Um.

884
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: My rule has been, I'll do one contact grunt. If

885
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 1: I can get their attention with that, great, nothing else.

886
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: If he keeps going, I'll do one more just to

887
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: make sure I got his attention enough. If I've got

888
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: his attention, okay, that's the first I need to know.

889
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: Is if it's one grunt or two grunts, whichever gets

890
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: his attention. Great. At that point. If he still decides

891
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,720
Speaker 1: he's not interested and he keeps going, I'll try one snort.

892
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 1: Weis so perfect scenarios. I do one grunt, he looks

893
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: at me, I know he sees me or not sees me,

894
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 1: but his recognized as a call. If he still doesn't respond,

895
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: then the snort wes and that's like, okay, I tried

896
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: to get his attention. That didn't work. Now I'm gonna

897
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,479
Speaker 1: getting pissed. If that doesn't work, then I'm then I'm done.

898
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 1: But back when I was, you know, back in the day,

899
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: I used to grunt, snort, weis and grunt and then

900
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: try can call And then I tried ratling and then

901
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: try everything I could do until he walked out of

902
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: a site. But that's definitely not the way to go.

903
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: But back in the back in the heyday, that was,

904
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: you know, you just keep trying to keep trying, to

905
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: keep trying, hoping something will work in your bag of tricks.

906
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 1: But like you said, it's it's much better to quit

907
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: while you're still ahead rather than risk spooking them. That's

908
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: a fact. That is a fact. Um. Now, one other

909
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: thing I want to bring up. Um, that thing I

910
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: just mentioned there was kind of related to a strategic

911
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: lesson I learned. But one other thing I also kind

912
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: of was reminded about this season when it comes to

913
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: dear behavior is just how hot and cold dear behavior

914
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: is during the rut and and what the how that

915
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,919
Speaker 1: translates into action. And I thought this was a bad

916
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: last year, but this year was even worse for me. Actually,

917
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: it sounds like you had, um, a little more action,

918
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: but for me, like of my hunting over the course

919
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 1: of this rut was dead. I mean really really really slow.

920
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: A months of deer movement and then there's those periods

921
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 1: of chaos and tons of movement, and I think that's

922
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: in a lot of cases what the looks like because

923
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:10,720
Speaker 1: you've got um, you know, the dough movement in general

924
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: starts to change compared to what it is during the

925
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: rest of the year because does begin evading bucks and

926
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: they start going into thicker cover and trying to get

927
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: away from their harassment. Um. And then you get to

928
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: a period where all of a sudden, you've got all

929
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: the bucks chasing a couple of doughs or a couple

930
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: of hot doughs, and if that hot dos in your area,

931
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: you've got the action. But if the hot dos aren't

932
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: an area, you're not seeing the action. And then you

933
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: get to the lockdown phase within these bucks are actually

934
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: locking down and starting to breed, and that's another slow period. UM.

935
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: So it really can be you know, we've talked about

936
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: this before, but really is just a patience game you

937
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,720
Speaker 1: used to get in these areas that you're confident about

938
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: and then you just need to come to terms of

939
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 1: the fact that you might be in for some very frustrating,

940
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: long and slow sits. But you need to wait it

941
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: out for those periods of of of action and those

942
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: hot peer is because it will come. If you're in

943
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: the spots, you of confidence and that you're in there

944
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: for good reason. But in general, I mean, if anything,

945
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: it just keeps on hammering home to the fact of

946
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: me that the the idea of the rut being this crazy, chaotic,

947
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:16,439
Speaker 1: exciting um whirlwind of action for two weeks at least

948
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: for me, and I think for the majority of deer

949
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: hunters out there who are hunting, and most of these

950
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: average deer hunting states like Michigan, Pennsylvania, New York, Um Wiscon.

951
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: I mean, some of these other areas that maybe aren't

952
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 1: the hot spots with incredible populations of deer and trophy

953
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: management and a lot of these areas, it's going to

954
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: be really hot and cold, and it's gonna be tough

955
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: at times, and it just comes down to having that

956
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: confidence and sticking it out. Yeah, Man, as far as

957
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: a rut is concerned, I'm not when I think what

958
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 1: people think of the rut it's like you said, that whirlwind,

959
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: that crazy chasing and stuff. But when I think of

960
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: the rut, I think of the rut is the breeding season,

961
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: the breeding the three weeks where a majority of the

962
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:06,919
Speaker 1: breeding is done. And Um, on our farm, I bet

963
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 1: you I saw this. I did not see any hard

964
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: chasing where a dough would run through an area and

965
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: there'd be three or four bucks after. I didn't see

966
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: that one time. Um, we saw some bucks giving pressure

967
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: two doze. But I of all the mature deer that

968
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: we we saw, you know, maybe the seven that were

969
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: over four years old, only one of those encounters was

970
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: with a buck or the buck tailing a doll, trailing

971
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: a doll. The rest of them they were they were

972
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: moving by themselves, Which makes me think that this year

973
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: the breeding season was later and not earlier like the

974
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: rough prediction said. Yeah, that's another interesting thing to to

975
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 1: consider when it comes to all the timing of the

976
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:02,399
Speaker 1: breeding and everything. And I think, um, you know, I'm

977
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 1: still um a believer in the fact that I'm still

978
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: sticking with a biologist point of view on the timing

979
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: and that across most especially at least north of the

980
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: Mason Dixon line, the northern part of the country. I

981
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: know it down south it gets kind of wonky. UM.

982
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 1: But in areas that you and I hunt, you know,

983
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: pretty much consensus the biologists. The biologist say that the

984
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 1: almost all breeding the the high point of the Bell curve,

985
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: because like you said, breeding takes place over period of weeks,

986
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: but the high point of that period happens in the

987
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: middle of November, and then there's you know, slightly less

988
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: going down either side of that. But I do think

989
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: that there are these other factors that that impact how

990
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: much of this activity we see, the chasing, the cruising,

991
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: all those different things. And so I don't I still

992
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, what the deal is with this

993
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: rut if it was um, you know, I just really

994
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: thought with UM, you know, all these different factors, whether

995
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: it would be the moon prediction theories, or the fact

996
00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: that we are really good cold weather in a lot

997
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: of part across the country, UM, A lot of spots

998
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: I was hunting with good cold weather. I thought that

999
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: would lend itself to seeing a lot more daylight running activity. UM.

1000
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: And I just didn't see that to the degree I

1001
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: was hoping for expecting it to. UM. But I still

1002
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: believe it was happening. Um, I just don't know. I

1003
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: might not have been in the right places at all

1004
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,720
Speaker 1: the right times. And like I also, I mean another

1005
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: point for me, just in my unique instance, UM, I

1006
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 1: didn't spend as much time in the woods. I was tracking, dear.

1007
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: You know, three days I was changing properties, two days

1008
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: I was doing a handful of different things, so that

1009
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: that impacted things a bit too. But I mean, I

1010
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,399
Speaker 1: guess you saw similar things to a degree to right. Yeah,

1011
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 1: I never saw that peak. You know that I saw

1012
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: a lot of movement, but we never saw a lot

1013
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: of chasing um. And one thing that I talked to

1014
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: Ryan about in what we're seeing is I think we

1015
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:56,919
Speaker 1: had an equal amount of those in bucks, which which

1016
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: can be bad because then you start having uh you know,

1017
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: it's not hard for a buck to find a dough,

1018
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: you know, if if one's locked up, if one buck

1019
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: is locked up with the dough, there's another one to

1020
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: match him. So I think that I think there was

1021
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: an equal um buck to door ratio, which just meant

1022
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: that as these does were coming into their cycle, uh it,

1023
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: it made it easier for these bucks to find them

1024
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: and hook up with them. And and I don't know

1025
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: if it was all coming at one time or that,

1026
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 1: or if it's kind of plateaued. There was not the

1027
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: giant peak like you see. I think it just was

1028
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:45,439
Speaker 1: like the breeding season is happening and now it's over,

1029
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: you know, just kind of like very gradual, not not

1030
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: the spike that we would typically see. Yeah, it was.

1031
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: It was an interesting one. I'd be curious to hear from,

1032
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:56,919
Speaker 1: you know, some of our listeners out there, if you UM,

1033
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: I'd love to get your guys perspective on this too,

1034
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: if you want, choose a Facebook message UM or comment UM,

1035
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 1: you know on the blog post for this UM this podcast,

1036
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear what you've seen in regards to

1037
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: cruising and chasing and running activity UM, and to hear

1038
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: if this matches up at all of what Dan and

1039
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: I have seen, because I think, you know, the more

1040
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: we can hear from other people that might also help

1041
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: us come to some better conclusions about what's going on

1042
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: and what we can learn from it in what state

1043
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 1: you're hunting in, and then you know, maybe we can

1044
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: talk about that one of the next upcoming podcasts. Yeah,

1045
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,879
Speaker 1: I think that'd be great. So make sure you guys

1046
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,280
Speaker 1: go to where to Hunt dot Com slash episode thirty three,

1047
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: which will be the blog post this podcast and leave

1048
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: us a leave us your observations in the comments there.

1049
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: That would be awesome if you could do that. UM.

1050
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: Moving on though, I guess from that Dan, anything from

1051
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: a strategy or tactic standpoint that you learned for me,

1052
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: it would be the calling aspect. I think for me

1053
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: the time of my calling, that's one of the things

1054
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: that you know, I'm getting better as is knowing when

1055
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 1: to push those buttons. But what about for you there

1056
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: anything from a tactic standpoint that you think you would, um,

1057
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: that you could take away from the season, right. It's

1058
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: it's hard because when I think of strategies and tactics,

1059
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: I think of the same thing that I've always been doing,

1060
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: but making minor adjustments along the way, and you know,

1061
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: working the trail cameras over the scrapes and the pinch points,

1062
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: and and then using that information to to make your

1063
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: stand location choice. I just think this year, one thing

1064
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 1: I learned was you don't necessarily have to be in

1065
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 1: the perfect spot the first time into the area this

1066
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 1: time of year. You can get away with a little

1067
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 1: bit more uh error as far going into an area.

1068
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: Don't be afraid to set up an observation stand. I

1069
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 1: sat an observation stand with one day with Ryan and

1070
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 1: one day by myself before I tore it down. Heck,

1071
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,439
Speaker 1: I think three days total we sat in this one

1072
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: stand and then decided, Okay, there's gonna be a shift

1073
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: in this wind. It's gonna come out of the northwest.

1074
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: We need to move it to the east side of

1075
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: this marsh. Show our wind is blowing into a cornfield

1076
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: and not into the marsh. And and the next day

1077
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: it was rotating all the way to a southeast degrees

1078
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: and blowing into this this pasture. And that was the

1079
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: day that this buck came in. He you know, he

1080
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: felt he had the wind in his advantage. And uh,

1081
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: we ended up getting the shot. But you know, we're

1082
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: realizing that, you know, slow down, get that observation stand

1083
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: and if you're not where to go because you don't

1084
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: know the property or you don't have the exact tree

1085
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: trimmed out set up back from that location. And then

1086
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: if you get that information, you see that dear movement,

1087
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: that that intel, then you can you know, take your

1088
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 1: stand down down after a morning hunt and go right

1089
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: to that tree set up and then just wait and

1090
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: maybe it's the right tree, maybe it's not, but you know,

1091
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: keep keep moving, keep bouncing, keep you know, keep making

1092
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: those minor adjustments, because really hunting is micromanaging. Um all

1093
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: the big stuff is done before the season, and as

1094
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:28,919
Speaker 1: further way I hunt, I'm always moving, always trying to

1095
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: get that that nex spex, you know, the next best advantage,

1096
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: chasing that wind, you know, and not just planning for

1097
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: planning for that specific wind for that specific hunt. Look,

1098
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: it's like a chess match. Look two or three wind

1099
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: directions into it, and set a stand for that location

1100
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: and back out and then come into it another time.

1101
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: You don't necessarily need to hunt it. Although a lot

1102
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: of people would disagree with me. If you're gonna go

1103
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: in to an area to set a stand, hunt it,

1104
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: and I agree with that. I agree with that. But

1105
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: if if for some reason that strategy isn't working for

1106
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: you too, you know, go in, have a have a

1107
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: set where you're going to be in there and know

1108
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: you might may not see anything. In preparation for the

1109
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: next day when the wind shifts, to have a to

1110
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: have a completely different view of what the area holds.

1111
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: I think you may a lot. I think you make

1112
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: a lot of good points there. Um. And something that

1113
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: I've I've struggled with on a couple of those different

1114
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: things that you know, two things for me, um. Number one.

1115
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: You know, over the years I've been I've definitely been

1116
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: guilty of getting lazy when it comes to knowing I

1117
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 1: should probably move somewhere else, but not wanting to deal

1118
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: with tearing to stand down, hiking over to a new area,

1119
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: putting a new stand up, putting the camera, getting back up,

1120
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: pulling my bow back up, pulling and backpack back up,

1121
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: doing all that stuff. It sucks. Yeah, it's a pain

1122
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: in the butt. But just a year after year, I

1123
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: keep on getting reminded that you just sometimes you need

1124
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: to do it, and that you know, half an hour

1125
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 1: of annoying extra work is going to be something you'll

1126
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 1: forget about ten years from now when you look back

1127
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: and remember the encounter you had there or the deer

1128
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: you shot there because you made that move. And so

1129
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: I just, you know, constantly trying to remind myself to

1130
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: do that. And I did that more this year. I

1131
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: did made I made more moves. I did some more

1132
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 1: you know, hanging stands in new spots and it paid off.

1133
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: So I think that's definitely lesson learned for me too.

1134
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: And then another point you said something. Two things you

1135
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: mentioned the fact that, um, you know, you shouldn't be

1136
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: afraid to to set up observation stands and learn an area,

1137
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,479
Speaker 1: and agree with that. I think that's a great way

1138
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: to go in there and learn spot, figure out what

1139
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: the action is. Um. But then you it does come

1140
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: down as bow hunters, you can only learn so much

1141
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 1: from seeing deer to distance. Eventually you need to move

1142
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: in for the kill. And good enough is not good

1143
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: enough when it comes to bow hunting because bow hunting

1144
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: is a game of inches and feet and yards. And

1145
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: if you are close and you're getting that buck at

1146
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 1: forty eight yards, yeah that feels close. He's right there

1147
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: and you're in your you know, in your wheelhouse. But

1148
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: if you can't get a quality shot at a deer,

1149
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 1: that stand is crap. When it comes right down to it,

1150
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: you need to be setting stands after after you set

1151
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: your observation stand, let's say you've learned about the action,

1152
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: or maybe you set there and you realize you're fifty

1153
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 1: yards off of the you know, awful where you need

1154
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: to be. You have to get in there. I've spent

1155
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: too many days, you know, over the past, you know,

1156
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: five tenures sitting in stands that I kept sitting because

1157
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: I was seeing the big buck. I could see him

1158
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 1: out there. He's a hundred yards out or his eight

1159
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 1: yards out. Eventually he'll get closer and I'll see him

1160
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 1: out there the next night or a week later, and

1161
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 1: again he's still too far away. And then I'm out

1162
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 1: there a month later because I still see him from

1163
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 1: that stand and he's still too far away. Um, it

1164
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: doesn't cut it. When it comes to bow hunting. You

1165
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: need to move in and set up for the kill eventually,

1166
01:01:58,200 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: and you shouldn't be afraid to do that, and you

1167
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: don't be too lazy to do that. You need to

1168
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: go in there, and you need to get into range.

1169
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: And if you set up and you try it doesn't

1170
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: work out. You need to try again, like you said,

1171
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: and keep tweaking and keep micromanaging, and keep moving those

1172
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 1: chest pieces across the board. Um, because close is not

1173
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 1: close enough for these deer when it comes to ball

1174
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: on him. So I think that's another big takeaway from me.

1175
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 1: Right move in. It's like I don't know you nailed it,

1176
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 1: don't be afraid. Yeah, yeah, because what's what's the worst

1177
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 1: thing that could happen? You watch that buck go by

1178
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 1: again at fifty yards? Right? That that's it. I mean,

1179
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 1: you're never going to get a shot on him. You

1180
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 1: have to go for it eventually if you're if you're

1181
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 1: serious about it, you can either you know, would you

1182
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: rather have, Hey, I got to see a big buck

1183
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: three times great? Or would I like to say I

1184
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 1: got to see a big buck once in the second

1185
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 1: day I killed him. I'd much rather have the second story,

1186
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 1: right or or or shot him in the guts or

1187
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 1: hit his antler. We we'd rather avoid those two endings. Yeah,

1188
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: you know, at least I didn't hit one in the antler.

1189
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: That that's the story. At least I don't need to

1190
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: tell for myself that. Well, yeah, I tell you what.

1191
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 1: Um that broadhead still might be in his antler because

1192
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,439
Speaker 1: it busted off the arrow. How cool? Wo that shed

1193
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: find to be? Oh my god, I'd lose my mind.

1194
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 1: I called DIBs. That's what That's what I'm finding this spring.

1195
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 1: Oh geez, Okay, so we're we've put a pretty good

1196
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: chunk of time in here. But I wanted to maybe

1197
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 1: combine two questions in one and maybe this will be

1198
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: how we wrap it up here. Damn. Number one, what

1199
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: do you believe is the biggest mistake you made this run?

1200
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 1: And then maybe kind of following in that questions footsteps,

1201
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: what's the biggest thing or the one thing for sure

1202
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: you want to do differently this coming year, next year?

1203
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 1: Why don't you start this off? I need to think

1204
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 1: about that a second. Crap, that was my angle, Okay,

1205
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 1: but I'll get a shot. I'll get a shot, I think. Um,

1206
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: I think my biggest mistake was I think doing something

1207
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 1: that I mentioned right there, which I just mentioned is

1208
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 1: something that is a mistake people make. And I mentioned

1209
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: that because it's a mistake I've seen myself make and

1210
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: I've tried to fix that wrong. I try to fix

1211
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 1: that towards the end of my time here in Michigan.

1212
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: But it was because I realized I was screwing up,

1213
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 1: and this is a mistake I've made over the past

1214
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 1: three or four years on a couple of these properties

1215
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 1: where I've gotten really comfortable with a couple of areas

1216
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 1: that I always see these big deer from during the rut,

1217
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: and I have these encounters and they seem close, but

1218
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 1: I'm never getting the shot opportunity, and so I've wasted

1219
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: a lot of opportunity. I've wasted a lot of seasons

1220
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 1: and hunts even this year, thinking well, this will be

1221
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 1: the time when he's gonna come close enough, and he

1222
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 1: just hasn't. And um, that happened again, you know, in

1223
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:00,439
Speaker 1: Michigan a couple of times, and I made to change

1224
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 1: the last couple of days of my time here in Michigan,

1225
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: and next year I'm really going to change that, and

1226
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 1: that I'm going to This is just something you've talked

1227
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 1: about before a day and you've harped on field edges.

1228
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: How you know you want to get into that cover

1229
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 1: as much as possible. And I've tried to defend occasionally

1230
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 1: having to hunt field edges sometimes and sometimes you have to. Um,

1231
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:22,919
Speaker 1: but there is a really you know, if you can

1232
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 1: get into the cover during the rut, I really still

1233
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 1: do believe that you're going to have more activity during

1234
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 1: daylight because these doughs during the rut, they don't really

1235
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 1: want to be out in the big food sources as

1236
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: much as usual because they're getting harassed by bucks all

1237
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 1: the time. So you're getting these doughs spending at least

1238
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 1: less time out in the open, so they're further back

1239
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 1: in the cover. You've got the bucks cruising for does

1240
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 1: or maybe chasing doughs, but either one of those two things.

1241
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 1: The majority, not always, but the majority of that is

1242
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 1: still happening back and cover, and especially here in Michigan,

1243
01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 1: every day from November through novemb hunting pressure is increasing.

1244
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: You've got more bow hunters in the woods, and then

1245
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 1: as you get closer to the November firearm season opener,

1246
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 1: you've got more gun hunters coming into the woods to

1247
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:13,439
Speaker 1: scout or put their blinds up or do whatever. So

1248
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 1: every day closer to the end of that rut hunting

1249
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: bow period, you know, there's more pressure on these deer

1250
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: on top of the fact that already they want to

1251
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 1: stay in the cover. So those two things I think

1252
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 1: continue pushing these deer back into safe cover areas. And

1253
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 1: so I have you know, um notoriously on these couple

1254
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 1: of properties, been always afraid to push too deep into

1255
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 1: the heart of things. I've kept some sanctuary areas that

1256
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,920
Speaker 1: I've always tried to keep his off limits areas to

1257
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 1: keep the big box on my properties, and I think

1258
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: there's warrant for that. I think there's value to doing that,

1259
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 1: you know, in some of these areas where hunting some

1260
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 1: small parcels with extreme hunter pressure all around me, And

1261
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 1: so I think I want to continue to do with that,

1262
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 1: continue doing that throughout the most of the year. But

1263
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 1: then during the rut period it's okay. Swing for the

1264
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 1: fences sometimes and I wish that I had gone and

1265
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 1: there were the climbing tree stand or my porta will

1266
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 1: stand and pushed deep into the swamp and got real

1267
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 1: close up into these betting ears and sat back in

1268
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 1: there a couple of times, and yeah, yeah, I probably

1269
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 1: would have spoot some deer, and you know, I might

1270
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 1: have busted some deer pushing it in there and hanging

1271
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 1: to stand. But I think if I was going to

1272
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 1: get an opportunity, it would have been if I pushed

1273
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 1: it in those spots, if I were to go into

1274
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 1: those betting ears and um and stopped kind of pussy

1275
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 1: footing around the edges as much. So I think my

1276
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: big mistake was being still in something they've gotten better

1277
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 1: at every year. But I'm still too conservative to a degree,

1278
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 1: and so next year I just want to take that

1279
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 1: um I want to take that aggressiveness one step further. UM.

1280
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: I will say, I will add one disclaimer that I did. Um.

1281
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 1: This is me patting myself on the back. UM. So

1282
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 1: give me this little brief moment to feel good about myself. Dan. Um,

1283
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: I did take this advice of my own and I

1284
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 1: implemented in Ohio. I had this gut feeling that I

1285
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 1: wanted to be right inside this betting area. UM on

1286
01:07:57,560 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 1: that you know morning of November six, I didn't have

1287
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:03,439
Speaker 1: to stand there. You know, past me me three years

1288
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 1: ago I would have said, well, I've got to stand

1289
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 1: a hunter and fifty yards from there. It's safer, it's

1290
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 1: easier to get to. I don't need to hang anything.

1291
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 1: I'll just hunt there a good view. That'd be great. UM.

1292
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 1: But present me said, Nope, I need to get right

1293
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:18,640
Speaker 1: into this one specific spot. I know it's gonna be

1294
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: paying the butt to get in there and hang a

1295
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 1: stand in the morning, but I'm going to do it.

1296
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:24,640
Speaker 1: And I did it, and I killed the you know,

1297
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 1: mature buck because of it. So I think that was

1298
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 1: again proved to me that this is something I need

1299
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 1: to start implementing wholesale across my strategy. During the rut um,

1300
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 1: whether it's Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, UM, A property I'm just learning,

1301
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: or property I've been hunting forever. I want to, you know,

1302
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 1: continue to push that limit and not not be so

1303
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 1: comfortable on the edges. That's my my big takeaway. I

1304
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 1: think good makes a lot of sense. Man, Yeah, did

1305
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:51,880
Speaker 1: you did? I basically what I was trying to do

1306
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 1: it was just ramble for a long time to give

1307
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 1: you adequate time to to figure out your answer. Did

1308
01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 1: I give you time? Yeah? Yeah? Man, I mean, okay,

1309
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:01,640
Speaker 1: so we're talking about the biggest mistake and then what

1310
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:04,599
Speaker 1: we're gonna do different next year, right, all right? So

1311
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 1: one thing that I have a problem with is over analyzing. Um.

1312
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:11,719
Speaker 1: I'll look at a map, I'll look at wind direction,

1313
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 1: I'll look at what locations I need to be in,

1314
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: and I'll just sit there and think and overthink, and

1315
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 1: I think one thing I need to get better at

1316
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 1: it is probably just pulling the trigger and saying let's

1317
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 1: do it, you know, just just let's go. It doesn't

1318
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 1: have to be the perfect spot right away, because if

1319
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 1: you see something, you you dive in deeper. If you

1320
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 1: don't see something, you move out and um, you know,

1321
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 1: like this year, and we did it. We did it

1322
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 1: fairly well. Um. There was one instance where I think

1323
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:44,599
Speaker 1: we probably could have improved our stand location, um a

1324
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 1: little bit further up on this on this ridge where

1325
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 1: these deer were traveling, or maybe UM trimmed another couple

1326
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 1: of shooting lanes, but we ended up not doing it.

1327
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 1: So I don't know why we talked ourselves out of

1328
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 1: it or or what our reasoning, um was for was

1329
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 1: for not doing it, but I know that I over

1330
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 1: analyze my stand placements a lot. Yeah, So so that's

1331
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 1: that's one thing, and I'm gonna get to what my

1332
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 1: corrective action is going to be for next year. But

1333
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 1: my second thing is get to the stand. And I'm

1334
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 1: what I mean by that is a lot of guys

1335
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 1: will will sit there. They'll tiptoe through the woods, which

1336
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: you know is good. You've got to be quiet. But

1337
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:38,599
Speaker 1: for me, we took our time, we glassed the entire

1338
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:40,560
Speaker 1: way and we try to be as quiet as possible

1339
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 1: when when I really don't think a lot of that matters.

1340
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 1: The most important thing is your your scent. The more

1341
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 1: time you're taking to get to the timber, the more

1342
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: you're scent is cast out into the hunting area and

1343
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 1: the let the you know, the less chance you have

1344
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 1: of catching a buck come down, you know, downwind from you.

1345
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:02,679
Speaker 1: So you know, I think we just took a little

1346
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 1: bit too long to get to the stand, and we

1347
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 1: we weren't to the stand early enough, and in some

1348
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 1: instances we were and it sucks because we were getting

1349
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 1: up at three forty every day, UM, and I really

1350
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 1: think that we needed to get to the stand even

1351
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 1: just a little bit earlier, maybe forty minutes earlier, and

1352
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 1: let that timber settle down. And as you know, we have,

1353
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 1: we have camera equipment we were setting up and clicks

1354
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 1: and little ratchet straps here and there that that we

1355
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 1: really needed to just and you know, I don't even

1356
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 1: know if I'm gonna be filming next year. I'm thinking

1357
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 1: I might just be hunting, um, which will alleviate a

1358
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 1: lot of that stress, but give give the timber some

1359
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 1: time to settle down before prime time. And you know,

1360
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:52,800
Speaker 1: for the people who have hunt all day, that's not

1361
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 1: really an issue. But if you're like myself and like

1362
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 1: to move around a lot, like to, UM, have a

1363
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 1: specific morning and evening hot that's something that UM, I

1364
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna try to do better on next year. Yeah,

1365
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:07,600
Speaker 1: if you don't mind a comment on a couple of

1366
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 1: things that really quick, Man, I'm right there with you

1367
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 1: when it comes to getting in there early. Um yeah,

1368
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 1: I've got some friends and they have been very successful,

1369
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 1: you know, killing quality deer. Um that just don't. They

1370
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 1: don't get to their stands very early. And I just, um,

1371
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 1: I've really personally think that if you're not getting to

1372
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 1: your tree stand for me personally, my time. I think

1373
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 1: an hour before daylight is the minimum time for me

1374
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 1: before for when I'm getting into morning stand, I want

1375
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 1: to be there at least an hour before daylight. Because

1376
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:40,800
Speaker 1: to your point, I really think you need to let

1377
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:43,639
Speaker 1: you need to let things calm down because inevitably there's

1378
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 1: a good chance you're Even if you're playing everything right,

1379
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 1: you still can spook deer going into your stand in

1380
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 1: the morning. And I hate doing that, and gosh, that's

1381
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:54,719
Speaker 1: I hate. There's nothing more I hate more than coming

1382
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 1: in and out of tree stands and spooking deer. I

1383
01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 1: just get so mad every time I hear snort or crap.

1384
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 1: It just drives me nuts and stresses me out. Just

1385
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 1: so many crazy degrees, so I'm right there with you.

1386
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 1: Get in there as early as you possibly can, especially

1387
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 1: if you're trying to film. I try to get in

1388
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:13,760
Speaker 1: an hour and a half beforehand, so I have enough

1389
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 1: time to know, monkey around without my camera gear and

1390
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:19,679
Speaker 1: get set up in everything. Um. But then to two things.

1391
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 1: Let's say you're walking in during the afternoon or even

1392
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 1: in the morning. UM, I try my very best to

1393
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:27,160
Speaker 1: get in there as quietly as possible. I love those

1394
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:29,720
Speaker 1: mornings where there's some wind or it's been raining and

1395
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 1: the leaves are quiet, and then you can get in there.

1396
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:33,680
Speaker 1: Just great. Love a morning like that. But when it's

1397
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:36,840
Speaker 1: those days when it's just crunchy as all get out

1398
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 1: and you just know that anything you know within a

1399
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:42,759
Speaker 1: mile can hear you pretty much, those days dry me nuts.

1400
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 1: And this year I got to the point where I said,

1401
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 1: I'm walking so incredibly slow. I'm taking one little tiny

1402
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 1: step and then I'm taking one little tiny step, and

1403
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 1: I'm making this big crunch every time I step, and

1404
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 1: I'm stressing about it, and it takes me an hour

1405
01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 1: to get to my tree stand because I'm trying to

1406
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 1: go so slow. Deer still hearing me. I'm just making

1407
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:05,559
Speaker 1: noise for an hour. Maybe the better thing would be

1408
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 1: just a cruise into my tree stand and realize I'm

1409
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 1: making a ton of racket, but get there in fifteen minutes.

1410
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 1: And okay, I cost him casts in the woods for

1411
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, But now there's forty five minutes of quiet

1412
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 1: versus an hour of noise that just continued for long

1413
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 1: and slow period. I'm leaning more towards the fact that

1414
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 1: sometimes it's better just if you know you're gonna make

1415
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:26,680
Speaker 1: a lot of noise no matter what you do, just

1416
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 1: bum rush in there and get in there and then

1417
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 1: let it quiet down the rest of the time period.

1418
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 1: So that's one thing I'm leaning more and more towards,

1419
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:36,760
Speaker 1: which brings me to a final quick point. I saw

1420
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 1: ry I kind of jumped in the middle of your

1421
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:42,719
Speaker 1: here um, But this is well, I'm not the boss.

1422
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 1: I'm just the one that talks a lot. This is

1423
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 1: an interesting thing I picked up from Bill Winkie like

1424
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 1: last year, and then I went and actually wrote an

1425
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 1: article about it for North American White Tail picked Bill's

1426
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 1: brain a little bit more about it and some other people,

1427
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 1: and this idea of actually running to your tree stand

1428
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 1: during the rut and it follows the same logic I

1429
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 1: just said there, and that sometimes if you know you're

1430
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 1: making a ton of noise, you just accept that. You accept, Okay,

1431
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make noise, dear gonna hear me. So then

1432
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 1: you start thinking how can I minimize that damage done?

1433
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 1: And the logic behind a friend of bills was that

1434
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 1: if you run to your tree stand, you get to

1435
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 1: your stand as quickly as possible. So now instead of

1436
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 1: making noise for an hour, you make noise for five minutes.

1437
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 1: But if you make enough noise when you do it

1438
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:33,960
Speaker 1: in such a way, you might actually be get away

1439
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 1: with that noise. Because at this time of year, deer

1440
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 1: used to hearing crashing in the woods. They hear bucks

1441
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 1: chasing does all the time. So if you can almost

1442
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:46,759
Speaker 1: um simulate that kind of sound when you go crashing

1443
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 1: into your tree stand, you might be able to get

1444
01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:52,640
Speaker 1: away with it. They're almost more likely to forgive a

1445
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 1: quick sprint of crashing past them then they would accept

1446
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 1: a slow, steady gait for thirty five minutes walking around

1447
01:15:59,880 --> 01:16:01,760
Speaker 1: the edge of this you know, betting air where they're

1448
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:05,679
Speaker 1: sitting there and they here, step step step, they identify

1449
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 1: that as a human. If they're hearing crash crash, crash, crash,

1450
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:10,760
Speaker 1: crash crash. That's something you might be able to get

1451
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 1: away with. So that's it's a really interesting, kind of

1452
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 1: crazy idea, but it starts to make a lot of

1453
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:17,679
Speaker 1: sense when you think about it. Um, And it's something

1454
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 1: I've been thinking a lot about two and I think

1455
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 1: it's it's influencing how I start accessing my stands on

1456
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:25,600
Speaker 1: these loud days. Um. So, I guess that's that's my

1457
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:27,719
Speaker 1: little tangent on access that I've been kind of thinking

1458
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 1: about and kind of related to what you're saying there.

1459
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 1: So sorry about that, No problem. So what was it?

1460
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 1: What do we want to do different next year? All Right?

1461
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:42,519
Speaker 1: So this is gonna sound crazy, but I'm gonna go

1462
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:44,840
Speaker 1: out and I'm gonna do what I always do. I'm

1463
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 1: gonna go this this summer. I'm gonna go to my

1464
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 1: key locations, my my tree stand that I've always hunt.

1465
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to go and I'm gonna set them. I'm

1466
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:59,599
Speaker 1: gonna trim them out. Um but I'm not gonna leave

1467
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 1: any stage. Is there. What's what this gives me is

1468
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 1: a certain plus of stands now that I if I

1469
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 1: need to, I can go back to those locations. I

1470
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 1: don't have to do any trimming, just set the stand up.

1471
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 1: But what I'm noticing on especially the properties that I hunt,

1472
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 1: is the hot points of movement, the intersection points from

1473
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 1: the bedding to the food sources. The cruising has always

1474
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 1: been a little bit different every year. And when I

1475
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:34,719
Speaker 1: mean a little bit different, I mean forty yards thirty yards.

1476
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:38,760
Speaker 1: But for a bow hunter, that's important. Yeah. So I

1477
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 1: think what I'm gonna do is wait until i start

1478
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 1: hunting hard or even into October where I'm you know,

1479
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:52,679
Speaker 1: hunting majority travel corridors towards food sources. Um, I'm gonna

1480
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:56,839
Speaker 1: wait and and find those areas to hunt those stands

1481
01:17:57,200 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 1: or to you know, move into an area and hang

1482
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,840
Speaker 1: a brand, brand new set, trim out some lanes and

1483
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 1: and just and just run and gunne way more than

1484
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:09,599
Speaker 1: what we did because we had I want to stay

1485
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 1: close to on on this property that I hunt. You've

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01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 1: you've seen it. I had ten stands that were pre

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01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:18,599
Speaker 1: um pre trimmed out. I did have a stand for

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01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 1: every one of those locations, but we only hunted three

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01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 1: of those of those ten stands this year. Wow. So

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01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 1: we did a ton of running and gunning, and I

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01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 1: think that's why we had such a six well, I'm

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01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 1: gonna call it a successful season this year. Every time

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01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 1: we went into one of these locations was the best

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01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 1: time we had. Typically that night or that morning was

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01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:51,879
Speaker 1: the best um uh that location, that specific stand location

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01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 1: had to offer. And if I would have went to

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Speaker 1: another stand or the my typical stand in that area,

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01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:03,599
Speaker 1: I would have been way off or never even seen

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01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 1: some of these deer. So I think it's more you

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01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:12,800
Speaker 1: can't you can't put as much planning into it as

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01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 1: as we think you should. You know, we think I'm

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01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 1: gonna have a stand location and every one of these

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01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 1: uh spots uh, and the deer are going to come

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01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:25,760
Speaker 1: by there. Well they're not. They're gonna their their patterns

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01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 1: change every year. At least that's what I'm seeing. Granted,

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01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 1: there are a couple of spots where you know, we

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01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:35,559
Speaker 1: call our our best stands, our money stands. But I

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01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 1: think I'm just gonna I'm gonna try to go more

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01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 1: with the flow instead of putting together some kind of

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01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 1: plan of what I'm going to do for every hunt,

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01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:51,120
Speaker 1: if that makes sense, more more more of a natural

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01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 1: movement than a planned movement. I think you're I think

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01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 1: you're right on, and I love that, and I think

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01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:00,160
Speaker 1: it it lodses something kind of to what you know

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01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 1: both of us have been saying kind of throughout this

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01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 1: last half hour, is that so many times when we

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01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 1: go in there, we try to fit our strategy, we

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01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:11,600
Speaker 1: try to fit the deer. We try to convince ourselves

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01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 1: that the deer going to work to our plans. So

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01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 1: we set our stands based on what we assume the

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01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 1: deer will do. Right, we make our best decisions, and

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01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 1: then there's the temptation to be so um so stuck

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01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 1: in our plans that we stay there and we don't

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01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:30,679
Speaker 1: adjust to what the deer telling us. And I think

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01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 1: doing what you're doing, I don't know if I have

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01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 1: the gonads to do that, because I don't think I

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01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 1: enjoy setting up a new stand every time I hunt.

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01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 1: But good for you, because I think in a lot

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01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 1: of ways that's the right way to do it, because

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01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 1: you will never be tempted to take the easy solution.

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01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 1: You'll never be tempted to say, I'm just gonna hunt

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01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 1: that stand because it's pretty close to the area and

1533
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:52,679
Speaker 1: I got my stands set up there. Um, I'm gonna

1534
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 1: be tempted with that because I'll have fifteen stands or

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01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 1: five stands or whatever it is, and a given property, Um,

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01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:01,679
Speaker 1: you'll simply go there and say, where is the absolute

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01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:05,240
Speaker 1: best spot for this morning with this wind, given what

1538
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 1: I know most recently, where do I need to hang?

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01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:09,680
Speaker 1: And you'll go do that and that will put you

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01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:12,639
Speaker 1: in the very absolute best possible place to get a kill.

1541
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 1: And that's really how we should be thinking every time

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01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:18,680
Speaker 1: we go into hunt. Um, So I love it. And

1543
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 1: just to just to elaborate on that, and what what

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01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 1: made me think about this is, let's let's look at

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01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 1: the first two people who come to my mind when

1546
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 1: you say big buck killers are Dan in Fault and

1547
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:36,439
Speaker 1: Andre de Acosta di a Costo. Right, those are the

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01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 1: two guys that they that come to my mind. They

1549
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:45,640
Speaker 1: they have a stand on their back and they go

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01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 1: into an area and they find the best possible location

1551
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 1: and that's and that's what they do. And you know,

1552
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 1: their resume shows that they that they killed giant deer.

1553
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:59,599
Speaker 1: And I think I think as as if you want

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01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 1: to be a quote unquote good hunter, you have to

1555
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 1: learn how to how to be as mobile as possible

1556
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:09,880
Speaker 1: and think on the fly and not plan you know,

1557
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:14,080
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of planning, but it's dude, it's

1558
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 1: an art, it's a field. And I think I think

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01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 1: the more that creditors like ourselves get to that, then

1560
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 1: I think, uh, I think we're gonna kill bigger deer. Yeah,

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01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 1: I think there's a little more mature deer. There's a

1562
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 1: lot of truth to that and to all these things

1563
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:32,800
Speaker 1: we're saying, there's always exceptions. Um, there's always gonna be

1564
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:35,280
Speaker 1: situations where you know, you can plan these things out,

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01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 1: especially when you're doing some of the habitat management things

1566
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 1: where you can start manipulating habitat, you know, to encourage

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01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:44,639
Speaker 1: movement where you want it. And so sure there's there's

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01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:46,760
Speaker 1: ways to do that, and I know there's people having

1569
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:49,680
Speaker 1: success that way. But I think given the situations that

1570
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:51,519
Speaker 1: you and I are hunting in, and then I think

1571
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 1: a lot of other guys are hunting in, especially guys

1572
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:56,640
Speaker 1: hunting public land or you know, private land with four

1573
01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:59,240
Speaker 1: other guys hunting it too, I think, really, I think

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01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:02,200
Speaker 1: these types of actics really are the direction that we

1575
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:04,759
Speaker 1: need to be heading. So I'm sure we're gonna explore

1576
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:08,080
Speaker 1: some more and um, we'll continue picking the brains of

1577
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 1: deer hunters who are better than us and try to

1578
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 1: learn a few things from him, and hopefully you and

1579
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:14,680
Speaker 1: I can continue to grow and our listeners can learn

1580
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 1: a thing or two, and um, we'll have some good

1581
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 1: stories to share from it, right. I mean, when it

1582
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:21,680
Speaker 1: all comes down to it, man, if you're stuck in

1583
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 1: the same rut, we all want the same thing. We

1584
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:28,679
Speaker 1: all want that story we can share with our friends.

1585
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 1: Or you know, when someone says, hey, man, how did

1586
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:33,360
Speaker 1: your season going, you whip out your phone and you

1587
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 1: you pull up this booner or doesn't have to be

1588
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 1: a boonher, the biggest buck in your area. That the

1589
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 1: the deer that on your property. You you caught on

1590
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 1: trail camera, you saw from the stand and you went,

1591
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:46,599
Speaker 1: oh my god, that is a stud buck. I don't

1592
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 1: care what his score is or what his age classes.

1593
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:51,960
Speaker 1: If that if that's the deer that makes you go

1594
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 1: woe and you kill it, you know, because because you

1595
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:59,600
Speaker 1: tried something different, And that's all we want. That is

1596
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:01,719
Speaker 1: an us and feeling right there, that's what's all about.

1597
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:05,599
Speaker 1: So that's what's why we do what we do well.

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01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:07,519
Speaker 1: I think, Dan, this is a good place for us

1599
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 1: to wrap it up, because this is getna be a

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01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:11,760
Speaker 1: long show. We had some really long episodes lately, so

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01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 1: I hope people are okay with that. But one quick thing, Man,

1602
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:18,200
Speaker 1: I'm seeing people falling out of the tree stands. It

1603
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:21,479
Speaker 1: pisces me off. Like guy I know is dad fell

1604
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 1: out of the tree stand. Huge shoulder reconstruction. A guy

1605
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:28,280
Speaker 1: at work, uh fell out of his tree stand. He

1606
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:32,599
Speaker 1: had to bail and jumped off twenty ft broke his ankle.

1607
01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 1: Uh so he can't hunt anymore. Um So, if you're

1608
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 1: someone who's listening to this and does it wear a

1609
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:46,639
Speaker 1: safety harness, you're stupid. There is your Dan Johnson advice

1610
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:49,639
Speaker 1: for the day, right right, No, it's so true though,

1611
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:52,639
Speaker 1: I gotta have to do that. It's just not worth it. Right,

1612
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 1: closed down shop, Mark, I gotta go pick up my daughter,

1613
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna shut her down here. And um,

1614
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:02,759
Speaker 1: I guess as we always ask, if you have time,

1615
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 1: if you've been enjoying the show, if you go to iTunes,

1616
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:08,040
Speaker 1: it's really easy to get to. You can go on

1617
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:10,040
Speaker 1: your internet browser and get there, or you can if

1618
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 1: you've got the iTunes application, pull it up. Go to

1619
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 1: the podcast store look up word to Hunt, go to

1620
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 1: the ratings and review tab there and leave us a

1621
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:20,800
Speaker 1: rating and review, say a little bit of what you

1622
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:23,120
Speaker 1: think about the podcast. That is just a huge, huge,

1623
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:25,760
Speaker 1: huge help helps people figure out, you know, is this

1624
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 1: podcast worth listening to? And it helps us move up

1625
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:30,240
Speaker 1: in the ranking so that new people can find out

1626
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 1: about word Hunt. From what I've heard from listeners out there,

1627
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 1: this seems to be helping people and I love to

1628
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 1: hear that, and I would just love to help more people.

1629
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 1: So if you can, um join us in that mission,

1630
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 1: we would appreciate it. We've gotten a hundred and eight

1631
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 1: awesome reviews so far, and gosh it, it just makes

1632
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 1: my day every time I read one of those, so

1633
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:52,599
Speaker 1: so please know I read every single one of your reviews.

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01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:54,680
Speaker 1: It puts a smile on my face and I just

1635
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 1: we sincerely, sincerely appreciate it, so thank you. Negative reviews

1636
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 1: yet like Mark Kenyan's dumb and his host is even dumber.

1637
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:08,800
Speaker 1: You know, I have not gotten a review on iTunes

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01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:12,639
Speaker 1: like that. Um. I've had plenty of nasty things said

1639
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 1: about me elsewhere, but not on iTunes yet. So so far,

1640
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 1: so good. UM, the only negative thing we've heard in

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01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 1: a review. So far, we've gotten all five star reviews

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01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 1: except for like three, I think there's three four star reviews.

1643
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 1: And um, I think the two negative things I've heard

1644
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:33,400
Speaker 1: is they don't put out enough episodes, so they want

1645
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 1: more than once a week. And then someone said they

1646
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 1: don't talk about turkeys enough so yet I know, and

1647
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:42,880
Speaker 1: we're a deer hunting podcast. You know, it's kind of

1648
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 1: outside of our scope. But you will make that one

1649
01:26:45,479 --> 01:26:49,160
Speaker 1: person happy, and we'll give him an episode about turkey

1650
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:51,679
Speaker 1: hunt in this spring. You know, We'll we'll talk turkeys,

1651
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 1: will gobble gobble for him a couple of times. So

1652
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 1: I'm glad that most everyone's is pretty happy with what

1653
01:26:57,240 --> 01:26:58,680
Speaker 1: we're doing here, and we're just gonna try to keep

1654
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:02,599
Speaker 1: on making it better and better every week. So that said,

1655
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 1: be sure to visit word hunt dot com slash episode

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01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:08,559
Speaker 1: thirty three for show notes and links from this episode. Um.

1657
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:10,200
Speaker 1: And also, you know, as we talked about, if you

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01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:12,680
Speaker 1: could go there and leave us a comment, you know,

1659
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:15,200
Speaker 1: detailing how you've seen the ruts so far, what kind

1660
01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:18,920
Speaker 1: of activity you've seen, cruising, chasing, etcetera. We'd love to

1661
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 1: get that observation from you. Tell us what state you're

1662
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 1: in where you're hunting, and that I think would be

1663
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 1: a great resource for all of us to go look at.

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01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:27,439
Speaker 1: UM also, be sure to check out dance blog the

1665
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 1: Nine Finger Chronicles to check out the videos he's gonna

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01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 1: be posting soon and other updates from this season. UM,

1667
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:34,840
Speaker 1: I know you've got some good stuff up there, damn.

1668
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 1: And finally, we'd like to thank our partners who helped

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01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 1: make this show possible to keep us on the air,

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01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:43,080
Speaker 1: who have supported us so much over the year. So

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01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:46,120
Speaker 1: big thanks to Sick of Gear, Trophy, Ridge Bear Archery,

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01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:50,519
Speaker 1: Redneck Blinds, Carbon Express Arrows, Hunt Soft Lacrosse Boots, Big

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01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 1: and J Longrange Tractings, and the White Tail Institute of

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01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:56,920
Speaker 1: North America. Thank you so much all of you for

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01:27:57,000 --> 01:27:59,720
Speaker 1: joining us today on the Wired to Hunt podcast. I

1676
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:01,760
Speaker 1: really hope that your adventures during the Ruts so far

1677
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:04,280
Speaker 1: have been, you know, everything you've dreamed of. But if not,

1678
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:07,960
Speaker 1: don't give up. There's plenty of season left, so get

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01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:11,200
Speaker 1: after it. Hunt hard. Let's stay weired, Hunt