WEBVTT - The Insular Cases

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production

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<v Speaker 1>of iHeartRadio. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Tracy V.

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<v Speaker 1>Wilson and I'm Holly Frying. Today we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about some US Supreme Court cases, although not comical ones

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<v Speaker 1>like Nicks versus Headen, which we covered recently and was

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<v Speaker 1>about tomatoes. We are going to be talking more about

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<v Speaker 1>tariffs though this time. It's a collection of cases that

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<v Speaker 1>followed the Spanish American War, and these cases together limited

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<v Speaker 1>the rights of people living in certain US territories. These

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<v Speaker 1>cases still stand today. They still affect the lives and

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<v Speaker 1>civil rights of people in places like American Samoa, Guam,

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<v Speaker 1>the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico, and the US Virgin Islands.

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<v Speaker 1>So people who were born in all of these territories,

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<v Speaker 1>with the exception of Americans, are considered US citizens by birth,

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<v Speaker 1>but while living on any of these any of these

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<v Speaker 1>islands territories, they don't have the same constitutional rights or

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<v Speaker 1>representation in Congress as citizens who live in one of

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<v Speaker 1>the fifty States. Some of those court cases involved the

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<v Speaker 1>Philippines also, that was a US territory at the time

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<v Speaker 1>but has since become independent. So together these cases are

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<v Speaker 1>known as the Insular Cases, with insular meaning related to islands,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were in the news last year because the

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<v Speaker 1>US Supreme Court declined to her case that was challenging them.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we start with this, I want to note there's

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<v Speaker 1>a whole range of opinion in all of these places

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<v Speaker 1>about their relationships to the United States, Like, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>there are American Samoans who think that they should be

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<v Speaker 1>considered US citizens from birth, but then others who think

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<v Speaker 1>that would erase their existing culture and traditions. Or as

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<v Speaker 1>another example, there is a movement for Puerto Rican statehood

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<v Speaker 1>that's been going on for decades, but there are also

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<v Speaker 1>people who opposed that movement, with some of the opponents

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<v Speaker 1>advocating instead for an independent Puerto Rico. So this episode

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<v Speaker 1>is really focused on the court cases and the context

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<v Speaker 1>around them. It is not about the lived experiences and

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<v Speaker 1>opinions of the people living in all of these territories.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think the two of us are the best

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<v Speaker 1>people to try to like embody that no, and even

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<v Speaker 1>if we were, I feel like that is a podcast

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<v Speaker 1>of its own and not an episode of ARM.

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<v Speaker 2>Not an episode of ours for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we talk about these cases, we need to set

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<v Speaker 1>the stage on how the US had approached its territories

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<v Speaker 1>before the Spanish American War. The original borders of the

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<v Speaker 1>United States were set under the seventeen eighty three Treaty

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<v Speaker 1>of Paris, which formally ended the Revolutionary War between Britain

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<v Speaker 1>and its North American colonies. This treaty did not acknowledge

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<v Speaker 1>the indigenous names and peoples who had been in North

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<v Speaker 1>America for thousands of years prior to europeans arrival, or

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<v Speaker 1>contain any reference to borders of their own lands and territory.

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<v Speaker 1>For a time, the Articles of Confederation formed the basis

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<v Speaker 1>for the US government. These were ultimately replaced by the

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<v Speaker 1>US Constitution, which went into effect on March fourth, seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty nine. The Constitution didn't include anything specifically about adding

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<v Speaker 1>new territory to the United States, but it did include

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<v Speaker 1>language about adding states. An Article four, Section three quote,

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<v Speaker 1>New states may be admitted by the Congress into this Union.

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<v Speaker 1>But no new state shall be formed or erected within

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<v Speaker 1>the jurisdiction of any other state, nor any state be

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<v Speaker 1>formed by the junction of two or more states or

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<v Speaker 1>parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of

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<v Speaker 1>the states concerned, as well as of the Congress. Section

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<v Speaker 1>three also incl language about territory that was not considered

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<v Speaker 1>part of a state, quote, the Congress shall have power

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<v Speaker 1>to dispose of and make all needful rules and regulations

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<v Speaker 1>respecting the territory or other property belonging to the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>And nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as

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<v Speaker 1>to prejudice any claims of the United States or any

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<v Speaker 1>particular state. Soon, new states were being added to the Union.

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<v Speaker 1>The first state that wasn't one of the thirteen original

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<v Speaker 1>colonies was Vermont in seventeen ninety one. Kentucky became a

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<v Speaker 1>state in seventeen ninety two from land that had previously

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<v Speaker 1>been considered part of Virginia. Tennessee became a state four

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<v Speaker 1>years later, formed from the Southwest Territory that was land

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<v Speaker 1>that North Carolina had ceded to the federal government. Ohio

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<v Speaker 1>joined the Union in eighteen oh three and was formed

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<v Speaker 1>from part of the Northwest Territory. With the exception of Vermont,

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<v Speaker 1>which had considered itself an independent republic before becoming a state,

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<v Speaker 1>these newly added states had all been formed from organized,

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<v Speaker 1>incorporated territory that was already considered to be within the

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<v Speaker 1>US borders under the Treaty of Paris. So incorporated in

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<v Speaker 1>this case means that the territory is considered to be

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<v Speaker 1>fully part of the US under the Constitution, and the

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<v Speaker 1>only parts of the Constitution that don't apply to incorporated

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<v Speaker 1>territory are articles that specifically apply to the states. Organized

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<v Speaker 1>means that Congress had passed an organic act or a

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<v Speaker 1>body of laws establishing a government and usually a bill

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<v Speaker 1>of rights for the territory. So, for example, the Northwest

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<v Speaker 1>Territory was unorganized before Congress passed the Northwest Ordinances. The

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<v Speaker 1>Northwest Ordinances of seventeen eighty seven also outlined a process

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<v Speaker 1>for the territory to be admitted into the Union as

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<v Speaker 1>no less than three and no more than five states.

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<v Speaker 1>When the United States started acquiring new terrance, that new

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<v Speaker 1>territory was also incorporated. The first big addition of land

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<v Speaker 1>to the United States was the Louisiana Purchase in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>oh three. The Treaty of Session that was part of

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<v Speaker 1>the Louisiana Purchase agreement said, quote, the inhabitants of the

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<v Speaker 1>cated Territory shall be incorporated in the Union of the

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<v Speaker 1>United States, and admitted as soon as possible, according to

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<v Speaker 1>the principles of the Federal Constitution, to the enjoyment of

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<v Speaker 1>all these rights, advantages, and immunities of citizens of the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. Florida was also incorporated when it became part

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<v Speaker 1>of the United States under the Adam Zonice Treaty, which

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<v Speaker 1>took effect in eighteen twenty one. States formed from these

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<v Speaker 1>territories were added to the Union, following the same basic

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<v Speaker 1>template that had been outlined in the Northwest Ordinance of

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen eighty seven. As the nineteenth century continued, the United

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<v Speaker 1>States approach to expansion was described as manifest destiny. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a term first used in Right Blace in eighteen forty

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<v Speaker 1>five as part of an argument that the United States

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<v Speaker 1>should annex the Republic of Texas. This came to mean

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<v Speaker 1>that the United States was destined to expand across the

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<v Speaker 1>whole of North America, and this idea framed the United

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<v Speaker 1>States expansion as necessary and inevitable, and as the nation's duty.

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<v Speaker 1>This also was connected to a series of removals, wars,

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<v Speaker 1>and genocidal policies against the indigenous nations of North America,

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<v Speaker 1>in which tens of thousands of people were forced to

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<v Speaker 1>leave their homelands and move to land known as Indian

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<v Speaker 1>Territory west of the Mississippi River, primarily in what is

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<v Speaker 1>now Oklahoma. Support for the philosophy of manifest destiny was

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<v Speaker 1>not as universal as it sometimes described. There were people

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<v Speaker 1>within and outside of the US government who argued against

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<v Speaker 1>such aggressive expansion, and there were people of a range

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<v Speaker 1>of backgrounds, races, ethnicities, and religions who didn't want the

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<v Speaker 1>place they were already living to be annexed or purchased

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<v Speaker 1>by the United States for all kinds of reasons. Thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of Indigenous people also died as a result of the

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<v Speaker 1>force removals that were involved in making way for this expansion.

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<v Speaker 1>But the underlying assumption was that any territory the US

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<v Speaker 1>was acquiring would become one or more states. Assumption is

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<v Speaker 1>not even a strong enough word. It was obvious and

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<v Speaker 1>unquestioned that newly acquired territory would be admitted into the

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<v Speaker 1>Union as states. There were debates about whether slavery would

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<v Speaker 1>be allowed in newly organized territory and newly admitted states,

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<v Speaker 1>and a number of compromises and appeasements maintained a balance

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<v Speaker 1>between slave states and free States in Congress, but there

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<v Speaker 1>was really no debate about whether this new territory was

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<v Speaker 1>on a path to statehood. There was no sense at

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<v Speaker 1>all that a territory could be unincorporated. The only real

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<v Speaker 1>exception to this pattern involved the islands that were claimed

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<v Speaker 1>under the Guano Islands Act of eighteen fifty six. This

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<v Speaker 1>act allowed US citizens to claim uninhabited islands as sources

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<v Speaker 1>of guano or bird poop, so these islands didn't need

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<v Speaker 1>to be incorporated they did not have a permanent human population.

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<v Speaker 1>Alaska's status was also kind of vague for a while

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<v Speaker 1>after the US purchased it from Russia in eighteen sixty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>The US made this purchase just two years after the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the Civil War, it was still in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of trying to rebuild itself. In Secretary of State

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<v Speaker 1>William H. Stewart's decision to buy Alaska was widely criticized

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<v Speaker 1>and lampooned. Alaska was organized as the District of Alaska

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen eighty four, but at the very end of

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteenth century, the United States acquired territory that it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't necessarily want to incorporate. We're going to get to

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<v Speaker 1>that after we have a sponsor break. The United States

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<v Speaker 1>approach to its territories really shifted during and after the

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<v Speaker 1>Spanish American War. This war evolved from Cuba's struggle for

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<v Speaker 1>independence from Spain, and it was also influenced by sensationalized

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<v Speaker 1>news reporting in the United States and the explosion of

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<v Speaker 1>the USS Maine in Havana Harbor on February fifteenth, eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety eight. The Treaty of Paris that formally ended the

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<v Speaker 1>Spanish American War was signed on December tenth, eighteen ninety eight.

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<v Speaker 1>It recognized Cuba as an independent nation while giving the

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<v Speaker 1>United States control of Puerto Rico and Guam. Under the treaty,

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<v Speaker 1>the United States was also allowed to purchase the Philippines

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<v Speaker 1>from Spain, which it did, although the Philippines had declared

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<v Speaker 1>its own independence, and the US takeover of the Philippines

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<v Speaker 1>sparked the two year Philippine American War. There are many

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<v Speaker 1>treaties of Paris. This is obviously a different one than

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<v Speaker 1>the one that formerly ended the Revolutionary War. Paris is

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<v Speaker 1>where all the cool treaties happen, where we always go

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<v Speaker 1>to negotiate a peace. I mean, yeah, any excuse to

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<v Speaker 1>go to Paris. While the Spanish American War was ongoing,

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<v Speaker 1>the United States had also annexed Hawaii. For some very

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<v Speaker 1>brief context on that, in eighteen seventy five, the US

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<v Speaker 1>and the Kingdom of Hawaii had signed a reciprocity treaty

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<v Speaker 1>that allowed Hawaii to freely export goods like sugar.

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<v Speaker 2>To the US.

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<v Speaker 1>In exchange, the US took control of an area known

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<v Speaker 1>as Puuloa, now home to the Pearl Harbor Naval Base.

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<v Speaker 1>This treaty led to a huge explosion in the sugar

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<v Speaker 1>industry in Hawaii, driven by US business interests, which made

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<v Speaker 1>the Hawaiian economy increasingly dependent on these exports. Then, in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen ninety three, Sandford Dole, a lawyer who was born

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<v Speaker 1>in Hawaii to American parents, led a committee of sugar

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<v Speaker 1>planters and other American businessmen to overthrow the Hawaiian monarchy

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<v Speaker 1>with the backing of the US military. Dole petitioned the

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<v Speaker 1>US to annex Hawaii in eighteen ninety four, and one

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<v Speaker 1>reason the US did so four years later was to

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<v Speaker 1>ensure that it did not lose control of Pearl Harbor

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<v Speaker 1>while fighting a war with Spain. That is, like the

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<v Speaker 1>most brief abridged synopsis, and we're about to have another

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<v Speaker 1>one because then in eighteen ninety nine, the US took

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<v Speaker 1>control of part of the Samoan archipelago again incredibly briefly.

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<v Speaker 1>In the nineteenth century, Germany, Britain, and the US all

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<v Speaker 1>established business interests in Samoa and became heavily involved in

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<v Speaker 1>Samoan politics. Each of these nations backed different political factions,

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<v Speaker 1>and when a civil war began in eighteen eighty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>one side was backed by the US and the other

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<v Speaker 1>was backed by Germany. The first phase of fighting ended

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen eighty ten, nine, mostly because most of the

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<v Speaker 1>Western powers ships were either damaged or destroyed in a cyclone.

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<v Speaker 1>Violence resumed in eighteen ninety three, continuing for about a year,

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<v Speaker 1>again with Germany and the US backing opposing factions. Then,

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<v Speaker 1>when Marito lal Peppe, leader of Samoa, died in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety eight, the Chief Justice who issued the decision on

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<v Speaker 1>who his successor would be was an American citizen, so

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of Samoans and Germans in Samoa opposed this decision.

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<v Speaker 1>This led to renewed hostilities. Ultimately, Britain, the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>and Germany negotiated the Tripartite Convention without the involvement of Samoans,

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<v Speaker 1>and this partitioned the archipelago between the United States and Germany.

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<v Speaker 1>Just as a note, German Samoa was placed under control

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<v Speaker 1>of New Zealand after World War One. It became independent

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty two. The US portion still a US territory.

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<v Speaker 1>So by eighteen ninety nine, the US had taken control

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<v Speaker 1>of Puerto Rico, Guam, the Philippines, Hawaii, and part of Samoa,

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<v Speaker 1>and it had a number of reasons to want access

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<v Speaker 1>to territory in the Caribbean and the Pacific. Many of

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<v Speaker 1>these islands had strategic military importance and could also serve

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<v Speaker 1>as refueling points for trading ships. Investors saw range of

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<v Speaker 1>agricultural and commercial opportunities. This was also happening as the

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<v Speaker 1>Panama Canal was being built, a project that the US

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<v Speaker 1>took over just a few years after taking control of

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<v Speaker 1>these new territories, so people were seeing new potential for

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<v Speaker 1>international shipping. There was also an argument for the US

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<v Speaker 1>to take over these islands that was explicitly racist, that

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<v Speaker 1>they were not capable of governing themselves, so the United

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<v Speaker 1>States needed to take them over, an argument not to

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<v Speaker 1>keep control of all of these islands was also racist.

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<v Speaker 1>There were basically people who did it want islands full

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<v Speaker 1>of people who were predominantly indigenous or Hispanic to suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>become US citizens. In some cases, religious prejudice was also

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<v Speaker 1>a factor, since some of these areas were predominantly Catholic.

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<v Speaker 1>This can seem like an odd argument considering that the

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<v Speaker 1>US had already incorporated a lot of territory in North

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<v Speaker 1>America that had previously been colonized by Spain and had

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<v Speaker 1>some demographic similarities to these islands, like under the Treaty

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<v Speaker 1>of Guadalupe Hidalgo that ended the Mexican American War in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen forty eight, Mexico ceded more than half its territory

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<v Speaker 1>to the US. People living there had been given a

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<v Speaker 1>year to decide if they wanted to become US citizens,

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<v Speaker 1>and by the time the Spanish American War ended, multiple

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<v Speaker 1>states had been formed from that territory. But as an example,

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<v Speaker 1>when California became a state in eighteen fifty, formed from

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<v Speaker 1>territory that had been part of Mexico, it had a

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<v Speaker 1>population of about ninety two thousand people. Meanwhile, at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the Spanish American War, the population of Puerto

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<v Speaker 1>Rico was more than ten times that, and there were

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<v Speaker 1>roughly seven million people living in the Philippines. The entire

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<v Speaker 1>United States population at this point was about seventy six

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<v Speaker 1>million people, So there were a lot of people who

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<v Speaker 1>just completely freaked out about the idea that if the

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<v Speaker 1>Philippines became a state, Filipinos would make up almost ten

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<v Speaker 1>percent of the population of the United States. Also, with

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<v Speaker 1>the exception of Puerto Rico, these newly acquired islands were

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<v Speaker 1>geographically very far from continental North America, and that added

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<v Speaker 1>to the perception that they were more foreign than something

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<v Speaker 1>like the southwestern part of the continent was Also, to

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<v Speaker 1>be clear, we're not suggesting that racism and prejudice were

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<v Speaker 1>directed only at the people in these newly acquired island territories,

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<v Speaker 1>or that everyone living in the continental US had the

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<v Speaker 1>same constitutional rights at this point as exact samples. After

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<v Speaker 1>the US Civil War, the Fourteenth Amendment had granted citizenship

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<v Speaker 1>to anyone born or naturalized in the United States and

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<v Speaker 1>subject to US jurisdiction, and the fifteenth Amendment had given

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<v Speaker 1>black men the right to vote, but in practice, many

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<v Speaker 1>black men could not freely exercise their right to vote,

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<v Speaker 1>and women did not have a constitutional right to vote

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<v Speaker 1>at all. Native Americans were not considered US citizens, and

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<v Speaker 1>immigrants from many Asian countries were banned from becoming citizens.

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<v Speaker 1>So the idea that the US might apply constitutional rights

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<v Speaker 1>and protections only to some people also was not.

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<v Speaker 2>At all new.

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<v Speaker 1>What was new was the idea that the US could

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<v Speaker 1>acquire territory without that territory ultimately becoming a state. That

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<v Speaker 1>is where we get to these Supreme Court cases. On

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<v Speaker 1>May twenty seventh, nineteen oh one, the US Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 1>issued its decision in six cases that had all been

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<v Speaker 1>argued over the course of nineteen hundred and nineteen. Most

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<v Speaker 1>of these were related to Puerto Rico. There was also

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<v Speaker 1>one case relating to Hawaii and one related to the Philippines.

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<v Speaker 1>Some constitutional law scholars frame these six decisions as the

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<v Speaker 1>core insular cases. There are others who include two other

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<v Speaker 1>cases that were decided in December of that same year.

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<v Speaker 1>There are others who include a lot more cases that

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<v Speaker 1>were decided over the next two decades, for up to

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<v Speaker 1>a total of thirty five cases. So like the argument

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<v Speaker 1>over which cases are the insular, cases can really vary

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<v Speaker 1>depending on whose opinions.

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<v Speaker 2>You're reading.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea that at least some of these cases would

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<v Speaker 1>be grouped together as the Insular Cases was there right

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<v Speaker 1>from the beginning. Some of the court's opinions collectively refer

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<v Speaker 1>to the Insular Tariff Cases. In February of nineteen oh one,

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<v Speaker 1>after the cases had been argued but before they were decided,

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<v Speaker 1>the House of Representatives passed a resolution calling for the

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<v Speaker 1>briefs and arguments from five of the cases to be

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<v Speaker 1>printed together as a book called the Insular Cases. That

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<v Speaker 1>book is one thousand and seventy five pages long, well

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<v Speaker 1>light reading. Yeah, clearly we're not going to be talking

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<v Speaker 1>about all of these cases in detail to quickly tick

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<v Speaker 1>through these nineteen oh one cases. That's not just the

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<v Speaker 1>first six, it's the other two as well. One outlier

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<v Speaker 1>was Who's versus New York and Puerto Rico Steamship Company.

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<v Speaker 1>This looked at the question of whether Puerto Rican ports

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<v Speaker 1>were domestic or foreign ports in the context of US

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<v Speaker 1>shipping law and New York laws around the pilotage of

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<v Speaker 1>nautical vessels. Most of the other cases addressed the core

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<v Speaker 1>question of whether Puerto Rico, Hawaii, or the Philippines should

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<v Speaker 1>be considered a foreign country in terms of tariff law.

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<v Speaker 1>These cases were Delema versus Bidwell, Gutsa versus United States,

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong versus United States, two different cases called Duly versus

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<v Speaker 1>United States, and fourteen Diamond Rings versus United States. These

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<v Speaker 1>cases all involved similar scenarios. A person or business had

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<v Speaker 1>been required to pay a duty or had something seized

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<v Speaker 1>by customs, but they argued that no duties or fees

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<v Speaker 1>should have been required or customs should not have seized

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<v Speaker 1>the goods since the goods had not come from a

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<v Speaker 1>foreign country. The Court issued decisions in these cases establishing

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<v Speaker 1>that none of these places were foreign countries in the

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<v Speaker 1>context of tariff law unless the duty had been imposed

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<v Speaker 1>before the United States annexed them. The last of these

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen oh one cases, not in terms of time decided

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<v Speaker 1>just in terms of us talking about them, was Downs

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<v Speaker 1>versus Bidwell, and that looked at whether parts of the

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<v Speaker 1>Forker Act were constitutional. The Foriker Act, also called the

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<v Speaker 1>Puerto Rico Organic Act, had been passed in April of

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen hundred. Among its many provisions, the Forker Act established

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<v Speaker 1>a fifteen percent tariff on goods that were imported into

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<v Speaker 1>Puerto Rico from the United States and vice versa. But

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<v Speaker 1>Article one, Section eight, Clause one of the US Constitution,

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<v Speaker 1>known as the Uniformity Clause, requires that quote all duties, imports,

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<v Speaker 1>and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States. So

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<v Speaker 1>if throughout the United States included Puerto Rico, it was

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<v Speaker 1>unconstitutional for it to have this separate tariff. The Supreme

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<v Speaker 1>Court's plurality decision was that no, the Foriker Act was

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<v Speaker 1>not unconstitutional because while Puerto Rico belonged to the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>it was not part of the United States. Of all

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<v Speaker 1>these cases, Delema versus Bidwell and Downs versus Bidwell have

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<v Speaker 1>gotten the most attention in terms of study and analysis,

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<v Speaker 1>and Downs versus Bidwell in particular has become notorious for

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<v Speaker 1>its racist language. To get into more on that, after

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<v Speaker 1>a sponsor break, as we noted before the break, in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen oh one, the US Supreme Court issued a decision

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<v Speaker 1>in Downs versus Bidwell that described Puerto Rico as belonging

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<v Speaker 1>to the United States but not part of it. Downs

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<v Speaker 1>versus Bidwell also established a distinction between incorporated and unincorporated territory.

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<v Speaker 1>As we talked about in the first part of this

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<v Speaker 1>show like this was a new idea. This was not

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<v Speaker 1>how the United States had been doing it before. In

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<v Speaker 1>the words of a concurring opinion by Justice Horace Gray, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>so long as Congress has not incorporated the territory into

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, neither military occupation nor session by treaty

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<v Speaker 1>makes the conquered territory domestic territory in the sense of

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<v Speaker 1>the revenue laws. But those laws can so learning foreign

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<v Speaker 1>countries remain applicable to the conquered territory until changed by Congress.

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<v Speaker 1>If Congress is not ready to construct a complete government

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<v Speaker 1>for the conquered territory, it may establish a temporary government

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<v Speaker 1>which is not subject to all the restrictions of the Constitution.

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<v Speaker 2>That doesn't sound.

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<v Speaker 1>Like a fat loophole at all. In other words, Puerto

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<v Speaker 1>Rico and by extension, the other island territories were not

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<v Speaker 1>foreign countries in terms of tariff law, but also were

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<v Speaker 1>not part of the United States in any way that

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<v Speaker 1>would bring them under the Constitution's uniformity clause.

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<v Speaker 2>This decision sort of.

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<v Speaker 1>Read into various parts of the Constitution and previous court decisions,

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<v Speaker 1>arguing that you really couldn't infer from the Constitution that

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<v Speaker 1>territories were part of the United States, like the thirteenth

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<v Speaker 1>Amendment to the Constitution abolished slavery quote within the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>were in any place subject to their jurisdiction. So, according

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<v Speaker 1>to this argument, that had to mean there were places

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<v Speaker 1>that were subject to US jurisdiction but were not part

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<v Speaker 1>of the United States. Or in the fourteenth Amendment quote,

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<v Speaker 1>all persons born or naturalized in the United States and

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<v Speaker 1>subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United

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<v Speaker 1>States and the state wherein they reside. So in the

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<v Speaker 1>Court's view, that suggested that in the United States and

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<v Speaker 1>subject to US jurisdiction could be two totally different things.

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<v Speaker 1>To quote from the plurality opinion authored by Justice Henry

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<v Speaker 1>Billings Brown quote, We are also of the opinion that

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<v Speaker 1>the power to acquire territory by treaty implies not only

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<v Speaker 1>the power to govern such territory, but to prescribe upon

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<v Speaker 1>what terms the United States will receive its inhabitants and

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<v Speaker 1>what their status shall be in what Chief Justice Marshall

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<v Speaker 1>termed the American Empire. There seems to be no middle

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<v Speaker 1>ground between this position and the doctrine that if their

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<v Speaker 1>inhabitants do not become immediately upon annexation citizens of the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. Their children thereafter born, whether savages or civilized,

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<v Speaker 1>are such and entitled to all the rights, privileges, and

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<v Speaker 1>immunities of citizens. If such be their status, the consequences

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<v Speaker 1>will be extremely serious. Indeed, it is doubtful if Congress

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<v Speaker 1>would ever assent to the annexation of territory upon the

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<v Speaker 1>condition that its inhabitants, however foreign they may be, to

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<v Speaker 1>our habits, traditions, and modes of life, shall become at

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<v Speaker 1>once citizens of the United States. Legal racism. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>very It's like, it's straightforwardly racist. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>The Plurality opinion concluded. Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>If those possessions are inhabited by alien races differing from

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<v Speaker 1>us in religion, customs, laws, men, methods of taxation, and

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<v Speaker 1>modes of thought, the administration of government and justice according

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<v Speaker 1>to Anglo Saxon principles, may for a time be impossible,

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<v Speaker 1>And the question at once arises whether large concessions ought

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<v Speaker 1>not to be made for a time that ultimately our

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<v Speaker 1>own theories may be carried out, and the blessings of

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<v Speaker 1>a free government under the Constitution extended to them. We

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<v Speaker 1>decline to hold that there is anything in the Constitution

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<v Speaker 1>to forbid such action. It went on to say, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>we are therefore of opinion that the island of Puerto

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<v Speaker 1>Rico is a territory, a pertinent, and belonging to the

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<v Speaker 1>United States, but not a part of the United States

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<v Speaker 1>within the revenue clauses of the Constitution. That the Foriker

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<v Speaker 1>Act is constitutional so far as it imposes duties upon

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<v Speaker 1>imports from such island, and that the plaintiff cannot recover

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<v Speaker 1>back the duties exacted in this case. So this was

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<v Speaker 1>one of many five four decisions among the insular cases.

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<v Speaker 1>Just in case folks are not from the US, they

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<v Speaker 1>don't necessarily know how the Supreme Court is set up.

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<v Speaker 1>There are nine justices, and so in a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>these cases, the decision was five to four. A dissent

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<v Speaker 1>by Chief Justice Fuller included the statement quote great stress

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<v Speaker 1>is thrown upon the word incorporation, as if possessed of

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<v Speaker 1>some occult meaning. Justice John M. Harlan also penned a

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<v Speaker 1>dissent of his own, which set in part quote these

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<v Speaker 1>are words of weighty import. They involve consequences of the

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<v Speaker 1>most momentous character. I take leave to say that if

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<v Speaker 1>the principles thus announced should ever receive the sanction of

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<v Speaker 1>a majority of this Court, a radical and mischievous change

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<v Speaker 1>in our system of government will be the result. We will,

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<v Speaker 1>in that event, pass from the era of constitutional liberty

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<v Speaker 1>guarded and protected by a written Constitution into an era

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<v Speaker 1>of life legislative absolutism. Together, these nineteen oh one cases

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<v Speaker 1>established the idea that Puerto Rico, Hawaii, the Philippines, Samoa,

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<v Speaker 1>and Guam were part of the United States in some

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<v Speaker 1>ways but not others, and could stay that way indefinitely.

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<v Speaker 1>Cases that followed later in the early twentieth century also

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<v Speaker 1>outlined limits on the constitutional rights of people living in

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<v Speaker 1>these territories. As we said earlier, some scholars consider these

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<v Speaker 1>later cases to be part of the insular cases, and

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<v Speaker 1>some do not. As a few examples, Door versus United

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<v Speaker 1>States decided in nineteen oh four looked at the question

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<v Speaker 1>of whether residents of the Philippines had the right to

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<v Speaker 1>a trial by jury. The right to a jury trial

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<v Speaker 1>is outlined in the sixth Amendment to the Constitution, but

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<v Speaker 1>the Court ruled that it would only apply in the

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<v Speaker 1>Philippines if Congress enacted legislation to establish that right. Hawaii

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<v Speaker 1>versus Mankiche was similar, finding that the right to a

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<v Speaker 1>jury trial had not existed in Hawaii in the window

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<v Speaker 1>between when the US annexed it and when Congress passed

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<v Speaker 1>an Act to provide a government for the Territory of

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<v Speaker 1>Hawaii in nineteen hundred. This act bestowed US citizenship on

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<v Speaker 1>the people who had been citizens of the Republic of

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<v Speaker 1>Hawaii as of August twelfth, eighteen ninety eight. So once

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<v Speaker 1>people in Hawaii were considered to be US citizens, they

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<v Speaker 1>were entitled to a trial by jury. But when Hawaii

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<v Speaker 1>was a US territory whose residents were not citizens, they

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<v Speaker 1>were not entitled to a jury trial. Gonzales versus Williams

0:29:37.400 --> 0:29:40.880
<v Speaker 1>was decided in nineteen oh four. Although Puerto Ricans were

0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:44.640
<v Speaker 1>not considered US citizens at that time, they were supposed

0:29:44.680 --> 0:29:47.360
<v Speaker 1>to be able to travel freely to the United States.

0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:51.360
<v Speaker 1>Isabella Gonzalez had tried to join her fiance in New York,

0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:55.080
<v Speaker 1>but was turned away at port. She was pregnant, and

0:29:55.160 --> 0:29:58.440
<v Speaker 1>authorities described her as an alien who was likely to

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<v Speaker 1>become a public charge. The court found that she was

0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:04.160
<v Speaker 1>not an alien and should not have been denied entry

0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:06.920
<v Speaker 1>into New York, but also did not find that she

0:30:07.080 --> 0:30:10.280
<v Speaker 1>was a citizen. This case is sometimes cited as a

0:30:10.320 --> 0:30:14.080
<v Speaker 1>factor in Puerto Rican's ultimately being given citizenship as part

0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:18.360
<v Speaker 1>of the Jones Schafroth Act in nineteen seventeen. When I

0:30:18.400 --> 0:30:19.680
<v Speaker 1>got to this part, I was like, I kind of

0:30:19.680 --> 0:30:22.480
<v Speaker 1>wish I had done a whole episode on this one case,

0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:25.080
<v Speaker 1>which might happen at some point in the future. We

0:30:25.160 --> 0:30:25.840
<v Speaker 1>still could.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the last.

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<v Speaker 1>Cases that is sometimes grouped together with the insular cases

0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:35.240
<v Speaker 1>was Balzac versus Puerto Rico, decided in nineteen twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>This was a case in which Jesus M. Balzac, editor

0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:42.920
<v Speaker 1>of a Puerto Rican daily newspaper, had been charged with libel.

0:30:43.720 --> 0:30:46.480
<v Speaker 1>So this case was connected to the rights of free speech,

0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:49.440
<v Speaker 1>freedom of the press, and trial by jury, which are

0:30:49.480 --> 0:30:54.200
<v Speaker 1>all considered basic constitutional rights in the United States. The

0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:58.000
<v Speaker 1>court found that Puerto Rico had not been incorporated into

0:30:58.000 --> 0:31:00.840
<v Speaker 1>the United States, and that the sixth the Amendment right

0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:03.880
<v Speaker 1>to a jury trial did not apply, and that Balzac's

0:31:03.920 --> 0:31:07.000
<v Speaker 1>published work was not protected by the rights to free

0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:10.520
<v Speaker 1>speech or a free press. There are a lot of

0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:15.240
<v Speaker 1>contradictions among these cases and sometimes within the cases themselves.

0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:18.400
<v Speaker 1>As we said earlier, many were decided five to four,

0:31:18.560 --> 0:31:22.160
<v Speaker 1>and often those five justices agreed on the outcome but

0:31:22.280 --> 0:31:25.920
<v Speaker 1>not on the reasoning behind it. But together they established

0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:30.480
<v Speaker 1>what's known as the incorporation Doctrine. They outlined differences between

0:31:30.520 --> 0:31:35.000
<v Speaker 1>incorporated and unincorporated territories and set the stage for the

0:31:35.080 --> 0:31:38.920
<v Speaker 1>United States to be able to claim unincorporated territories in

0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:43.120
<v Speaker 1>perpetuity without allowing them to enter the Union as states

0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:47.440
<v Speaker 1>or de annexing them. While the US Constitution established the

0:31:47.520 --> 0:31:51.920
<v Speaker 1>nation as a representative democracy, the Insular cases set aside

0:31:51.960 --> 0:31:56.560
<v Speaker 1>several territories territories that were inhabited primarily by Hispanic and

0:31:56.640 --> 0:32:00.640
<v Speaker 1>Indigenous people as not entitled to full particition, patient or

0:32:00.680 --> 0:32:04.960
<v Speaker 1>representation in that democracy. While as we said earlier, these

0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:07.960
<v Speaker 1>cases still stand, there have of course been some shifts

0:32:07.960 --> 0:32:12.360
<v Speaker 1>in details over the last century. The Philippines became independent

0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:15.600
<v Speaker 1>from the United States in nineteen forty six after being

0:32:15.640 --> 0:32:19.560
<v Speaker 1>occupied by Japan during World War Two. Japan had actually

0:32:19.640 --> 0:32:22.920
<v Speaker 1>declared the Philippines independent in nineteen forty three, sort of

0:32:22.920 --> 0:32:26.000
<v Speaker 1>trying to get the support of Filipinos during this occupation.

0:32:26.920 --> 0:32:29.760
<v Speaker 1>As we said earlier, the people of Puerto Rico were

0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:34.400
<v Speaker 1>granted statutory citizenship in nineteen seventeen, and in nineteen fifty

0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:37.760
<v Speaker 1>Public Law six hundred authorized the people of Puerto Rico

0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:41.680
<v Speaker 1>to draft their own constitution, so Puerto Rico today is

0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:45.520
<v Speaker 1>considered to be self governing. Hawaii became a state in

0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:49.120
<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty nine, a process that took more than fifty years,

0:32:49.200 --> 0:32:53.280
<v Speaker 1>due in part to racist attitudes against the archipelago's native

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:58.800
<v Speaker 1>Hawaiian and Asian residents. While voters in Hawaii overwhelmingly ratified

0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:02.880
<v Speaker 1>at statehood, many Native Hawaiians have pushed instead for Hawaiian

0:33:02.920 --> 0:33:07.920
<v Speaker 1>independence and sovereignty. Residents of Guam gained US citizenship under

0:33:07.960 --> 0:33:11.320
<v Speaker 1>the Guam Organic Act of nineteen fifty after having been

0:33:11.440 --> 0:33:14.440
<v Speaker 1>essentially abandoned by the United States and left to a

0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:19.600
<v Speaker 1>horrific occupation by Japan during World War Two. Today, American

0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:25.080
<v Speaker 1>Samoans are considered US nationals, but not US citizens. You

0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:26.760
<v Speaker 1>can say this of all of these places, but the

0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:32.600
<v Speaker 1>United States has definitely been most focused on them when

0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:35.440
<v Speaker 1>it has been like the most within US interests to

0:33:35.520 --> 0:33:40.479
<v Speaker 1>do so so, Like there's the most focused on the

0:33:40.480 --> 0:33:44.760
<v Speaker 1>well being of Guam when there's a like strategic military

0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:46.480
<v Speaker 1>reason to do so for some reason, and like This

0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:49.160
<v Speaker 1>abandonment of Guam during World War Two is kind of

0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:53.280
<v Speaker 1>the US did basically just like cut his losses. We

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned the Northern Mariana Islands and the US Virgin.

0:33:56.480 --> 0:33:59.320
<v Speaker 2>Islands the top of the show. They have not come up.

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<v Speaker 1>Again because they were not US territories when the first

0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:06.400
<v Speaker 1>Insular cases were decided. The US purchased the US Virgin

0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:11.080
<v Speaker 1>Islands from Denmark in nineteen seventeen. The Northern Mariana Islands

0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:15.000
<v Speaker 1>became a US territory in nineteen seventy five, even though

0:34:15.280 --> 0:34:19.400
<v Speaker 1>neither was a US territory when the original Insular cases

0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:24.040
<v Speaker 1>were being argued and decided. They're both considered unincorporated territories.

0:34:24.080 --> 0:34:28.400
<v Speaker 1>Following this same model that the Insular cases established, the

0:34:28.520 --> 0:34:32.200
<v Speaker 1>US Virgin Islands, American Samoa, and Guam are all on

0:34:32.239 --> 0:34:37.760
<v Speaker 1>the United Nations list of non self governing territories. Broadly speaking,

0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:41.200
<v Speaker 1>people living in these territories are considered to be entitled

0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:46.040
<v Speaker 1>to fundamental constitutional rights, but not necessarily to others, and

0:34:46.120 --> 0:34:49.719
<v Speaker 1>opinions can also differ on which rights should be considered fundamental.

0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:54.360
<v Speaker 1>The unincorporated territories are not represented by the Electoral College

0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:58.799
<v Speaker 1>in presidential elections. They are represented by one delegate each

0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:01.319
<v Speaker 1>in the House of Representation, it is who can serve

0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:06.400
<v Speaker 1>on committees and can introduce legislation, but cannot vote. There

0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:09.400
<v Speaker 1>are actually six total non voting members of the House.

0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:13.200
<v Speaker 1>The sixth one represents Washington d C. So, as is

0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:16.920
<v Speaker 1>the case with the unincorporated territories, residents of Washington d C.

0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Don't have the same representation in Congress as people who

0:35:21.040 --> 0:35:23.799
<v Speaker 1>live in what the states do. A key difference here, though,

0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:28.279
<v Speaker 1>is that the Constitution itself outlines the creation of a

0:35:28.360 --> 0:35:31.440
<v Speaker 1>district to serve as the seat of the government.

0:35:31.960 --> 0:35:32.640
<v Speaker 2>Washington d C.

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<v Speaker 1>Did not come about because the Supreme Court kind of

0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:39.840
<v Speaker 1>made up but justification to do so. At this point,

0:35:39.880 --> 0:35:44.520
<v Speaker 1>there's near unanimous agreement among historians and constitutional law scholars

0:35:44.560 --> 0:35:48.560
<v Speaker 1>that the insular cases are rooted in racism and colonialism,

0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:51.680
<v Speaker 1>but there's less agreement about what the outcome would be

0:35:51.719 --> 0:35:54.799
<v Speaker 1>if these cases were overturned, and whether that outcome would

0:35:54.880 --> 0:35:58.560
<v Speaker 1>ultimately be positive for people who would be affected. And

0:35:58.640 --> 0:36:01.439
<v Speaker 1>in more recent years, they're some attempts to use these

0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:03.879
<v Speaker 1>decisions to try to protect the rights of people who

0:36:03.920 --> 0:36:07.280
<v Speaker 1>are living in these territories. For example, in the US,

0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:11.520
<v Speaker 1>it would be considered unconstitutional to pass laws tying property

0:36:11.560 --> 0:36:16.879
<v Speaker 1>ownership to race. Theoretically, since the unincorporated territories don't have

0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:21.360
<v Speaker 1>full constitutional protection, it would be possible to pass laws

0:36:21.400 --> 0:36:25.120
<v Speaker 1>giving these islands indigenous people's preference in terms of land

0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:28.400
<v Speaker 1>ownership based on their race, which could help protect their

0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:32.720
<v Speaker 1>connections to their ancestral homelands and their traditional ways of life.

0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:37.520
<v Speaker 1>Having worked on this show for a decade, Tracy notes

0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:40.480
<v Speaker 1>that she's not really optimistic about this working out. I

0:36:40.520 --> 0:36:43.879
<v Speaker 1>would agree with that, And she also read a lot

0:36:43.880 --> 0:36:46.120
<v Speaker 1>of arguments that basically kind of summed this up to,

0:36:46.640 --> 0:36:48.480
<v Speaker 1>no matter what good end you try to put them to,

0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:50.880
<v Speaker 1>these decisions are still racist and should.

0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:51.480
<v Speaker 2>Still be overturned.

0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:54.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And to be very clear, the only reason I

0:36:54.160 --> 0:36:57.680
<v Speaker 1>said there is near unanimous agreement instead of just unanimous

0:36:57.719 --> 0:37:00.480
<v Speaker 1>agreement is because I know if we say unanimous, we're

0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:02.880
<v Speaker 1>gonna get an article somebody sends to us that's like,

0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:06.880
<v Speaker 1>here's the one outlier who claims this was not about racism.

0:37:07.880 --> 0:37:11.600
<v Speaker 1>There have also been a number of Supreme Court cases

0:37:11.640 --> 0:37:15.200
<v Speaker 1>in more recent years that have continued to uphold elements

0:37:15.200 --> 0:37:18.319
<v Speaker 1>of the Insular cases and to outline ways in which

0:37:18.360 --> 0:37:22.319
<v Speaker 1>people living in these territories can be treated differently from

0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:26.200
<v Speaker 1>people in the fifty States or Washington, d C. In

0:37:26.480 --> 0:37:30.880
<v Speaker 1>accept the context of congressional representation, we're talking about Washington DC. So,

0:37:30.960 --> 0:37:34.799
<v Speaker 1>for example, the US versus Valeo Madero was decided in

0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:38.200
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two. Valeo Madero was a Puerto Rican living

0:37:38.280 --> 0:37:42.080
<v Speaker 1>in New York who had been receiving supplemental Security income

0:37:42.160 --> 0:37:46.840
<v Speaker 1>payments that's what we colloquially called social security or disability payments.

0:37:47.600 --> 0:37:50.640
<v Speaker 1>He moved to Puerto Rico, making him no longer eligible

0:37:50.640 --> 0:37:53.960
<v Speaker 1>to receive these payments, and the government did not realize

0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:57.040
<v Speaker 1>he had moved and kept sending the payments. When they

0:37:57.080 --> 0:38:00.200
<v Speaker 1>realized what had happened, the government sued to try to

0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:04.600
<v Speaker 1>recoup that money. The argument in this case was that

0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:09.359
<v Speaker 1>excluding Puerto Ricans from the program violated the Constitution's due

0:38:09.360 --> 0:38:13.040
<v Speaker 1>process clause in the Fifth Amendment. In an eight to

0:38:13.120 --> 0:38:17.040
<v Speaker 1>one decision, the Supreme Court disagreed, ruling that the Constitution

0:38:17.280 --> 0:38:21.239
<v Speaker 1>did not require supplemental Security income payments for people in

0:38:21.280 --> 0:38:26.200
<v Speaker 1>Puerto Rico. Justice Neil Gorsich wrote a scathing concurrence, agreeing

0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:30.520
<v Speaker 1>with the majority opinion but also arguing stridently against the

0:38:30.600 --> 0:38:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Insular cases. He wrote, quote, flaws in the Insular cases

0:38:34.640 --> 0:38:37.880
<v Speaker 1>are as fundamental as they are shameful. Nothing in the

0:38:37.880 --> 0:38:43.120
<v Speaker 1>Constitution speaks of incorporated and unincorporated territories. Nothing in it

0:38:43.200 --> 0:38:48.359
<v Speaker 1>extends to the latter only certain supposedly fundamental constitutional guarantees.

0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:52.240
<v Speaker 1>Nothing in it authorizes judges to engage in the sordid

0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:55.600
<v Speaker 1>business of segregating territories and the people who live in

0:38:55.640 --> 0:38:59.239
<v Speaker 1>them on the basis of race, ethnicity, or religion. The

0:38:59.239 --> 0:39:02.239
<v Speaker 1>Insular case uses can claim support in academic work of

0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:07.040
<v Speaker 1>the period, ugly racial stereotypes and the theories of social Darwinists,

0:39:07.280 --> 0:39:09.919
<v Speaker 1>but they have no home in our Constitution or its

0:39:09.920 --> 0:39:14.799
<v Speaker 1>original understanding. The case that the Supreme Court declined to

0:39:14.880 --> 0:39:19.400
<v Speaker 1>hear last year was Fitisimanu versus United States that was

0:39:19.480 --> 0:39:24.760
<v Speaker 1>brought by three American Samoans living in Utah. They argued

0:39:24.840 --> 0:39:29.560
<v Speaker 1>that the Fourteenth Amendment's birthright citizenship clause should apply to

0:39:29.600 --> 0:39:34.040
<v Speaker 1>the people of American Samoa. While American Samoans who moved

0:39:34.080 --> 0:39:37.400
<v Speaker 1>to the United States can apply for citizenship, they're not

0:39:37.520 --> 0:39:42.120
<v Speaker 1>guaranteed citizenship. They are also denied various rights like voting

0:39:42.160 --> 0:39:45.799
<v Speaker 1>and running for office until they become citizens if those

0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:49.000
<v Speaker 1>applications are successful. As we said at the top of

0:39:49.040 --> 0:39:52.600
<v Speaker 1>the show, people in American Samoa have varying opinions on

0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:56.440
<v Speaker 1>these issues. In this case, the government of American Samoa

0:39:56.520 --> 0:40:01.080
<v Speaker 1>and Congresswoman al Mua Amada, who represents American samo submitted

0:40:01.080 --> 0:40:04.440
<v Speaker 1>a brief opposing this idea. It read, in part quote,

0:40:04.600 --> 0:40:09.120
<v Speaker 1>the citizenship clause does not require imposing birthright citizenship on

0:40:09.200 --> 0:40:11.839
<v Speaker 1>the people of American Samoa over the objection of their

0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:15.400
<v Speaker 1>elected representatives and government, and in violation of their basic

0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:19.400
<v Speaker 1>right to self determination. This brief stress the importance of

0:40:19.480 --> 0:40:22.360
<v Speaker 1>FAA Samoa, or the Samoan culture and way of life,

0:40:22.920 --> 0:40:26.400
<v Speaker 1>arguing that FAA Samoa is fundamentally important to the Samoan

0:40:26.440 --> 0:40:30.799
<v Speaker 1>people and that imposing birthright citizenship on American Samoa would

0:40:30.880 --> 0:40:34.960
<v Speaker 1>undermine it. The Samoan Federation of America, which supports and

0:40:35.080 --> 0:40:38.520
<v Speaker 1>advocates for Samoan Americans living in the United States, was

0:40:38.520 --> 0:40:43.120
<v Speaker 1>one of the organizations that submitted a brief supporting the petitioners. Yeah, so,

0:40:43.719 --> 0:40:46.640
<v Speaker 1>as we said earlier, people are not a monolith. There

0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:50.560
<v Speaker 1>are varying opinions on this. There were more briefs submitted

0:40:50.680 --> 0:40:56.600
<v Speaker 1>in support of applying birthright citizenship to American Samoa, but

0:40:56.640 --> 0:40:59.600
<v Speaker 1>also a lot of people currently living in American Samoa

0:40:59.640 --> 0:41:03.839
<v Speaker 1>who really that's not what we want though, a lot

0:41:03.840 --> 0:41:08.560
<v Speaker 1>of these things are complicated and we have not gotten

0:41:08.560 --> 0:41:11.839
<v Speaker 1>into it here. But like these distinctions and which rights

0:41:11.880 --> 0:41:15.279
<v Speaker 1>apply and which don't, like a lot of them just

0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:19.480
<v Speaker 1>trickle down to all kinds of things about people's everyday lives.

0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:21.680
<v Speaker 2>A lot of.

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<v Speaker 1>These places have uh, disproportionately higher participation in military service,

0:41:29.040 --> 0:41:31.560
<v Speaker 1>so there are a lot of military veterans, but uh,

0:41:31.760 --> 0:41:34.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, military veterans and returning to these places aren't

0:41:34.200 --> 0:41:38.520
<v Speaker 1>able to do things like vote president afterward. And in

0:41:38.560 --> 0:41:42.399
<v Speaker 1>some cases the veterans services in their local areas are

0:41:43.120 --> 0:41:43.560
<v Speaker 1>a business.

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<v Speaker 2>Good. Yeah, I was reading.

0:41:45.120 --> 0:41:49.240
<v Speaker 1>I was reading one thing about people from Guam needing

0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:52.400
<v Speaker 1>particular veteran services and having to go to Hawaii to

0:41:52.480 --> 0:41:58.879
<v Speaker 1>get them, which is like four thousand miles away. So anyway,

0:41:59.120 --> 0:42:02.320
<v Speaker 1>do you have listened mail? I do I have listener mail?

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<v Speaker 1>It is from Miranda. Miranda wrote after our Two Sergeants

0:42:09.520 --> 0:42:12.719
<v Speaker 1>episode and said, Holly and Tracy, longtime listener, first time writer.

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<v Speaker 1>I was listening to your episode on Judith and Emily's

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<v Speaker 1>sargent and a name caught my attention, Minister Gordon Gibson.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine my shock to hear the name of the retired

0:42:21.680 --> 0:42:25.319
<v Speaker 1>Unitarian minister who used to be my neighbor. I'm just

0:42:25.320 --> 0:42:27.560
<v Speaker 1>going to put a note here to say that Gordon

0:42:27.600 --> 0:42:30.600
<v Speaker 1>Gibson is still living, is retired. We don't normally talk

0:42:30.640 --> 0:42:32.400
<v Speaker 1>a lot about living people in the show, but then

0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:34.400
<v Speaker 1>in this case, this case, we're talking about a thing

0:42:34.480 --> 0:42:38.600
<v Speaker 1>related to like their historical connection. So this email went

0:42:38.600 --> 0:42:40.440
<v Speaker 1>on to say, it was interesting to learn about an

0:42:40.440 --> 0:42:43.560
<v Speaker 1>early Unitarian in the form of Judith, who participated in

0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:47.080
<v Speaker 1>slavery as an institution. When I usually picture Unitarians as

0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:51.840
<v Speaker 1>being abolitionists, it's a fascinating juxtaposition that mister Gibson discovered

0:42:51.840 --> 0:42:52.600
<v Speaker 1>those papers.

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<v Speaker 2>As he was.

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<v Speaker 1>Very active in the civil rights movement. He was arrested

0:42:56.480 --> 0:42:59.000
<v Speaker 1>in Alabama and founded a project to keep the history

0:42:59.000 --> 0:43:01.200
<v Speaker 1>of the civil rights movement alive. He was the only

0:43:01.320 --> 0:43:05.120
<v Speaker 1>Unitarian Universalist minister in Mississippi from nineteen sixty nine to

0:43:05.200 --> 0:43:08.560
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty four. I'm always fascinated by the intersection of

0:43:08.640 --> 0:43:11.839
<v Speaker 1>historical people and moments with each other over and through

0:43:11.880 --> 0:43:13.680
<v Speaker 1>time and I was so tickled to hear his name.

0:43:13.760 --> 0:43:16.600
<v Speaker 1>He's retired now but still very active in the community.

0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:18.920
<v Speaker 1>I alas have moved away, but I'm very proud to

0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:21.759
<v Speaker 1>have known him. Attaching my pet tax Scottie is my

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<v Speaker 1>bad tempered nine year old calico. Her sweet face is

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<v Speaker 1>a lie and the flufey baby boy is Willow, just

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<v Speaker 1>over a year and very naughty. These cats are definitely adorable.

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<v Speaker 1>We have one in a little cat sort of one

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<v Speaker 1>of those sort of like plushy little cat houses, which

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<v Speaker 1>we have a similar one at our house that is

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<v Speaker 1>gray that one of our kitty cats likes to lie

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<v Speaker 1>in in a very similar position.

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you so much for sending that.

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<v Speaker 1>This comment about Judas Sergeant Murray participating in slavery at

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<v Speaker 1>a time when Miranda usually pictures Unitarians as being abolition

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<v Speaker 1>reminded me a little bit of Benjamin Leigh, who we

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<v Speaker 1>covered on this show a few years ago, who was

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<v Speaker 1>a Quaker, not a Unitarian, but was expelled from congregations

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<v Speaker 1>for his incredibly vocal denunciation of slavery at a time

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<v Speaker 1>when like a number of Quakers were participating in slavery.

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<v Speaker 1>So that just sort of reminded me of that a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. I don't know if we have run that

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<v Speaker 1>episode as a Saturday Classic, but maybe if not, I

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<v Speaker 1>might line that up. Having been reminded, Benjamin Lee is

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<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite historical figures. So thank you so much,

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<v Speaker 1>Miranda for this email in these cat pictures and this

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<v Speaker 1>note about things that I did not know about Gordon Gibson.

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