WEBVTT - Geist Minds Think a Zeit 10/2: Gov Shutdown, Criminalized Dissent, Jane Goodall

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<v Speaker 1>Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of Geist Minds,

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<v Speaker 1>Think of Zeit courtesy of Big and Scary Ato two,

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<v Speaker 1>in reference, of course, to.

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<v Speaker 2>The phrase geist minds think all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Geist minds thick alike?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh right, yeah, yeah, it's probably.

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<v Speaker 1>That I don't know, man, I'm I'm not paid to

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<v Speaker 1>know these phrases idioms. You didn't even know QuickTime player,

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<v Speaker 1>get I know, I'm I'm at a place where it

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<v Speaker 1>took me five seconds to remember the name of quick

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<v Speaker 1>time to open up the recording, even though we were

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<v Speaker 1>we recording QuickTime every day. Yeah. Yeah, some do, many,

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<v Speaker 1>many do.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't use QuickTime. Just wll disclosure if I just

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<v Speaker 2>want to put that out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Think you're better than me?

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no, not at all.

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<v Speaker 1>All right it is make them a lot better than

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<v Speaker 1>October second, twenty twenty five. Yeah, those are our facts.

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<v Speaker 1>You are a lot better than me. My name is Jack.

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<v Speaker 1>That over there is mister Miles. Great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, whoa, whoa, yes, let's go. What's trending?

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<v Speaker 1>I got him? I did to a art show opening

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<v Speaker 1>for Todd Gray by a friend who like works at

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<v Speaker 1>a gallery. Yeah. I was like the fun.

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<v Speaker 3>That's funny Ledge When is it. I don't even know

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<v Speaker 3>there's an opening in the new year. Oh shit, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, I'll wake you up one September.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, please do all right, it's October. Oh shit, man,

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<v Speaker 1>wake me up when October ends. Also, just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>can we can we click this ship? Can we just

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<v Speaker 1>fast forward run through a couple of years here? All right?

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<v Speaker 1>What's happening in the news. The government shutdown is happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump trying to be real shrewd with it, is

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<v Speaker 1>basically like I'll starve you to death.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I mean, like it's just it's just retaliation.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot happening. The insistence on this is a

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats shutdown, Like there are mass emails going out, like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because the Democrats are like fucking over or

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<v Speaker 2>like if you get a bounce back email, they're like,

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<v Speaker 2>due to the Democrats shutdown, we will be slow and

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<v Speaker 2>responding to da da da da da. He's really trying

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<v Speaker 2>to just sort of like seed that idea that this

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<v Speaker 2>is all at the responsibility of the Democrats because this

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<v Speaker 2>is a lie. He's saying it's because they want to

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<v Speaker 2>give illegals health care, and that's the hill they want

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<v Speaker 2>to die on, So we're just going to have to

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<v Speaker 2>shit they then we have no choice. And to that end,

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<v Speaker 2>we are going to threaten thousands of federal workers with

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<v Speaker 2>layoffs too as a way basically just blackmailing the Democrats

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<v Speaker 2>to be like, we'll do it, Yeah, we'll do it.

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<v Speaker 2>We're fucking wacky man read Project twenty twenty five. So

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<v Speaker 2>he and Russell Vott are now using the shutdown to

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<v Speaker 2>just see how much damage they can inflict first, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>on blue states, to try and really upset the people

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<v Speaker 2>in those states, like by pulling all kinds of green

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<v Speaker 2>energy money that was supposed to go in there from

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<v Speaker 2>the Green New Deal. So pretty much any state that

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<v Speaker 2>didn't vote for him is seeing that money get pulled,

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<v Speaker 2>along with a few other states with like other specific programs.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's kind of they're at that place now and

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<v Speaker 2>just trying to take it out on federal workers as

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<v Speaker 2>a way to try and bring Democrats to the table.

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<v Speaker 1>Just a hostage situation essentially.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But it's just it's fucking crazy because you're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about the people that do the work, that even give

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<v Speaker 2>people the idea that things work. So then when there

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<v Speaker 2>aren't any people to sustain those agencies. That's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be that's going to manifest in chaos, and I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>that's that is part of Project twenty twenty five is

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<v Speaker 2>to completely gut the federal government essentially.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And so it just gives them an excuse.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think that's the other thing too, is like

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<v Speaker 2>doing that really close to I mean, while if we

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<v Speaker 2>have normal elections, you know, having like a government like

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<v Speaker 2>that is absolutely just not fucking working isn't a great look.

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<v Speaker 2>But for the people in power, yeah, they're really never

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<v Speaker 2>interested in, look what a good look is. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>just very you know, right now, it's starting with this

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<v Speaker 2>shit about being well, we're not going to give you

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<v Speaker 2>your windmil money, right, but I'm sure we'll. They're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>probably crank the heat up the more they realize how

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<v Speaker 2>much people are laying this at their feet, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Democrats are just being like no, uh, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a Trump shut down, and like it's just yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>they're being.

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<v Speaker 2>Clear and being like this is this is not whatever

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<v Speaker 2>the fuck they're talking about. It's because they're gonna take

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<v Speaker 2>away all these healthcare subsidies and like your assurance tax credits,

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<v Speaker 2>like people, you know, they're giving examples of like, let's

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<v Speaker 2>say you're a sixty year old couple in Mike Johnson's

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<v Speaker 2>like the state of Louisiana, your your fucking premiums are

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<v Speaker 2>gonna go up like three hundred percent without some of

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<v Speaker 2>these tax credits intact. So yeah, it's just a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of screaming right now. As you know, this thing just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of grinds to a halt for a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, great, great country, we got here, Yeah, killing it.

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<v Speaker 1>We're doing We're doing good work. Everything's functioning great. We do.

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<v Speaker 1>We did get a sense of like how they're talking

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<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes a little bit with a hot mic

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<v Speaker 1>moment from who what's this.

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<v Speaker 2>Reverend Madaline Dean Madeline Madelin Dean as a Democrat speaking

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<v Speaker 2>of Mike Johnson, pretty candid, the way that people might

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<v Speaker 2>speak to one another. Yeah, just cam him in the corner,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, this is getting a lot of attention

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<v Speaker 2>because a lot of you'll just see she's like, what

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<v Speaker 2>the fuck's going on with the president? Basically yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is Mike Johnson subconsciously agreeing with her by nodding

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<v Speaker 2>his head in agreement as she's talking, but then being

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<v Speaker 2>like well no, no, no, no. But here's this interaction that

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<v Speaker 2>was sort of happening off camera, but because the mic

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<v Speaker 2>was on, we got to sort of hear it all happen.

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<v Speaker 4>The president is unhinged, he is unwell. What are you

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<v Speaker 4>doing on your set?

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<v Speaker 1>Are too? I don't control?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, please that performance in front of the

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<v Speaker 4>generals that it's so dangerous. You know, I serve on

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<v Speaker 4>foreign affairs and appropriations. This is a collision of those

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<v Speaker 4>two things. Our allies are looking elsewhere, our enemies are laughing. President,

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<v Speaker 4>she's a president who is unwell.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of folks on your side are two? Are two? Two?

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<v Speaker 1>As in I know you are.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That seems to be accepting that the president is out

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<v Speaker 1>of his mind, and then saying, well, you guys have

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<v Speaker 1>some like bad ones too, which seems like a real

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, he admitted it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's what a lot of people are being like, Wait,

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<v Speaker 2>hold on. So when she goes he's unhinged, he's unwell,

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<v Speaker 2>and you said people on your side are too, is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god?

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<v Speaker 1>This is yeah. I mean I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>Her response after the like a lot of folks on

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<v Speaker 2>your side are too, it was like, oh my god, please.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm kind of here for this.

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<v Speaker 2>Wake the fuck up, dude, Like that's what it felt like?

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<v Speaker 2>That did you because you know he knows it's an

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<v Speaker 2>L because you said that performance in front of the

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<v Speaker 2>generals when.

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<v Speaker 1>He was just like, I didn't see it. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>they know it's an L when they say I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>see it. Yeah, I actually didn't watch that thing that

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's been talking about for the past twenty four hours

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<v Speaker 1>where the president spoke to the most powerful military figures

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<v Speaker 1>in the country. I actually, uh, didn't you follow up?

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<v Speaker 1>How did you think about that? Actually? So that was

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<v Speaker 1>the thing?

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, follow up your third in line to be president,

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<v Speaker 2>just so you know, and you you didn't see that?

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<v Speaker 2>So are you bad at your job? Also? Do you

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<v Speaker 2>want to see it now? And then you can tell.

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<v Speaker 1>Me what the fuck is up? Sure you want to

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<v Speaker 1>do that?

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<v Speaker 2>You want to try that shit out?

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<v Speaker 1>This did make me just wonder, like, why the fuck

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<v Speaker 1>aren't the Democrats talking like this in public? Was my

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<v Speaker 1>first thought, Like is it are they just standing on

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<v Speaker 1>decorum at this point where, like, you know, the lives

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<v Speaker 1>of people they represent are being violently upended, and they're like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we can't be rude and say officially, like the prade is.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, e Nile, He's slipping into darkness, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm yeah, I mean, families and communities are being torn

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<v Speaker 1>apart by government sanctioned kidnappings, and they're choosing to like

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<v Speaker 1>point out that the president is unhinged behind closed doors.

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<v Speaker 2>See well, and this is where I'm maybe this is

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<v Speaker 2>they are keeping that same energy, because yesterday Illinois Governor JB. Pritzker,

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<v Speaker 2>in front of microphones was like the here, I'll just this.

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<v Speaker 1>This is JB.

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<v Speaker 2>Pritzker at a press conference.

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<v Speaker 5>It appears that Donald Trump not only has dementia set in,

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<v Speaker 5>but he's copying tactics of Vladimir Putin. Sending troops into cities,

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<v Speaker 5>thinking that that's some sort of proving ground for war

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<v Speaker 5>or that indeed there's some sort of internal war going

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<v Speaker 5>on in the United States. Is just frankly inane, and

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<v Speaker 5>I'm concerned for his health.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes on to be like, yeah, you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fifth Amendment here, he might need to be removed

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<v Speaker 2>from office, right. I mean, I honestly think like the

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<v Speaker 2>concern trolling is probably a good tactic. Here is he okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Is he okay? Is he okay? Are you sure what

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<v Speaker 2>was that about? What was that about? I didn't see it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you should see it and then tell me what

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<v Speaker 2>that was about.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, exactly, just keep pressing yeah, because you can

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<v Speaker 1>only press.

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<v Speaker 2>They can only mitigate for so long, which they have

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<v Speaker 2>been doing. But it's also I think that I think

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<v Speaker 2>the people who are on the opposing side of it go,

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<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, let me ask a follow up question, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's clear to everyone on the left or who isn't

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<v Speaker 2>a Republican who's like a total sick event that he

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<v Speaker 2>has fucking cooked mentally.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know, Like, I think it's a good

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<v Speaker 1>way forward just to like, it's just the energy of it,

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<v Speaker 1>to just be like, this is not normal. Fuck, this

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<v Speaker 1>guy is like the energy of it. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if it's caused by senility or you know, moments of sinility,

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<v Speaker 1>or if the I don't know, like he just he's

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<v Speaker 1>still just barfing out the same shit. He's just worse

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<v Speaker 1>that and seems more tired and like scattered. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, but if you compare it to any person who

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<v Speaker 2>we would say is healthy and in their maybe middle age,

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<v Speaker 2>even they can say full sentences, they can connect ideas

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<v Speaker 2>like objectively, his speech is all it's like scatterbrained. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>he was mistaking Albania for Armenia recently, Like he can't.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't get anything straight that is objectively not good.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think, you know, we're sort of like operating

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<v Speaker 2>in this thing where like everyone kind of knows, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this guy's kind of fucking something's wrong with him. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think Republicans it's easy for them like, oh, he's

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<v Speaker 2>he's a quirky, fun president. But if you kind of

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<v Speaker 2>keep insisting this is so different, this is like something

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<v Speaker 2>is wrong, like is he okay? I think it at

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<v Speaker 2>least shift the conversation to at least yeah, because the

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<v Speaker 2>framing is still the framing isn't that guy something's wrong

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<v Speaker 2>with him? The framing is he's kind of a weird guy.

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<v Speaker 2>That's kind of what we're operating in, and that needs

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<v Speaker 2>to conversation. If this kind of tactic is effective, it

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<v Speaker 2>would shift it to what's wrong with him? And why

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<v Speaker 2>aren't you guys who are in his party doing something

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<v Speaker 2>about it? Because to leave him there is putting everyone

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<v Speaker 2>in grave danger. I mean, like already we are. But

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<v Speaker 2>I guess in terms of like rhetorically, how Democrats or

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<v Speaker 2>Republicans talk on the hill that would at least begin

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<v Speaker 2>to put more pressure on them explaining like why he's

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<v Speaker 2>posting weird shit. Caroline Levitt was asked about the medbed

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<v Speaker 2>video guy, and the press is like, what was he

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<v Speaker 2>trying to communicate with that video? He deleted it, but

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<v Speaker 2>what was he trying to communicate to that with that? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and she just went on a version of like, he

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<v Speaker 2>likes to post memes and like stuff that he sees

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<v Speaker 2>that he likes, and isn't it refreshing? But then you

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<v Speaker 2>can be like, he was talking about technologies that don't exist.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, that seems weird for the president to send a

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<v Speaker 1>video that says he's created a technology that doesn't exist.

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<v Speaker 2>That seems does he believe in it? Or what is

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<v Speaker 2>he implying by that that's that's aspirational for him?

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<v Speaker 1>What is the that you know politics much better than me?

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<v Speaker 1>What is the fourth that is stopping them from speaking

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<v Speaker 1>the way that she just spoke to him on a

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<v Speaker 1>hot mic that stopped them from saying they're weird? Is

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<v Speaker 1>that the consultants being like, if we're too mean, it

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<v Speaker 1>seems unlikable.

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<v Speaker 2>What what's I mean there's always some version of like

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<v Speaker 2>because like the messaging gets so vetted, like if it's

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<v Speaker 2>coming from the party, like they're they're fucking in the

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<v Speaker 2>lab trying to be like what what what happens with

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<v Speaker 2>this group? BEFO, we're talking this way right? How is

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<v Speaker 2>how does this messaging poll with this group? I think

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<v Speaker 2>right now the reason is because I for what I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>like what we've seen is just that Democrats they're still

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<v Speaker 2>insistent on having this sense of like, well, we're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to I mean they were they were casting aspersions

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<v Speaker 2>on Joe Biden's mental acuity, right, and and that's just

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<v Speaker 2>that's just really unbecoming.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's so so you should have cast dispersions on

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden's mental acuity?

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<v Speaker 2>Dumb fucks. That's what I mean that I would be effective.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be like, hey, guys, you know we should have

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<v Speaker 2>actually acted sooner, right, and you know what, and now

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<v Speaker 2>we're telling you.

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<v Speaker 1>We're coming off a massive mistake that we made and

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<v Speaker 1>we're worried, like it's like you can't have the same

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<v Speaker 1>exact thing happened two times in a row and not

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<v Speaker 1>catch it, like the same shit has happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the other thing too, is they don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to start doing the like he's he's got dementia thing,

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<v Speaker 2>because then the Republicans just cook up some fake doctor's

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<v Speaker 2>note and be like.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, guys are like you guys are Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I'm saying, like, just adjust it a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit and go yeah, okay, a little tweak, Yeah that

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<v Speaker 2>all right.

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<v Speaker 1>The energy is important to me. I don't think that

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<v Speaker 1>this is like the only way forward, being No, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think they'll be able to just like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>work around that. I do think journalists should be changing,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you said, they should be asking follow up questions

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<v Speaker 1>in a very reserve way that uh forces him, especially

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<v Speaker 1>to think on his feet if they're continuing to make

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<v Speaker 1>him a bit to the media, which I guess they

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<v Speaker 1>don't do that often. But when you have that opportunity,

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<v Speaker 1>go in knowing that you were this is both an

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<v Speaker 1>attempt to like get information but also an attempt to

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<v Speaker 1>give him a public like neurological exam, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and get them he would have them to articulate

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<v Speaker 2>a defense of it too, because half the time it

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<v Speaker 2>just doesn't make sense. Although you know, I think a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people they they do just see him as

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<v Speaker 2>quirky or whatever. You know that are like that are

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<v Speaker 2>his fans, because really they just like to see you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, I just want to drink liberal tears.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you can find little moments where he says

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<v Speaker 1>something that seems to make sense. It's just yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when taken in the hole. Anybody who has you know,

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<v Speaker 1>lived with or had a loved one who suffered from

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<v Speaker 1>dementia recognizes the energy. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's more like you got to it's more about

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<v Speaker 2>putting pressure on the sick of fans, Yeah, in the House,

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<v Speaker 2>in the Senate and in the cabinet to be like, yo,

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<v Speaker 2>you're good with this, yo, this you this you you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like more more so about making a person individually account

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<v Speaker 2>for what that what how they're seeing it. Like that's

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<v Speaker 2>why Mike Johnson got so uncomfortable because she was She

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<v Speaker 2>was like, what's going on with him? What do you

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<v Speaker 2>think about this? And he's like, well, you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>guys do it too.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just wild that he didn't know the very basic

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<v Speaker 1>rules of like how you respond to a playground insult.

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<v Speaker 1>He was like, you know, uh, you seem like so

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<v Speaker 1>stupid that like I'm I'm actually worried about you. And

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, well, you are too. Yeah. It's like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you say, I know you are, but what am I

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<v Speaker 1>You're not? You're You're not supposed to include you, dip shit.

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<v Speaker 1>We're both really dumb. Yeah, I know, but you are too.

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<v Speaker 1>We're both dumb as fuck.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, right, man, let's just get to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Header gut. You are bad at this header gun man,

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus Christ, fucking sucker, dick man, don't beat me up.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's take a quick break. We'll be right back.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're back.

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<v Speaker 2>We're back.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's this new order named NSPM seven. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>did we touch on that yesterday on Monday?

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<v Speaker 2>On Monday, just basically talking about yeah, like the new

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<v Speaker 2>directive to make anything anti traditional, anti Christian, anti capitalism,

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<v Speaker 2>anti America.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty indicator for terrorism. Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's basically I don't know. So this Time Magazine article

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<v Speaker 1>just lays it out. The Trump administration is facing mounting

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<v Speaker 1>criticism over a sweeping directive that expands the government's definition

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<v Speaker 1>of domestic terrorism indicators to include a wide range of

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<v Speaker 1>political beliefs, with lawmakers and civil liberties groups warning it

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<v Speaker 1>could be used to criminalize descent. It could be used

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<v Speaker 1>to criminalize descent. The wording is it directs the FBI's

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<v Speaker 1>Joint Terrorism Task Force to investigate networks, entities, and organizations

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<v Speaker 1>that foment political violence, and identifies ideological markers such as

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<v Speaker 1>anti Americanism, anti capitalism, and anti Christianity as red flags.

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<v Speaker 2>There's another thing too, that said extreme views on gender

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<v Speaker 2>or extreme views on immigrants. Basically, if you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>essentially whatever, if you guys are if you're not on

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<v Speaker 2>board with this, then you were going to label you

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<v Speaker 2>as some kind of terrorist to you know, bring back

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<v Speaker 2>this new McCarthyism.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I've always said Time magazine as a garbage publication.

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<v Speaker 1>But to claim that this could be used to criminalize descent,

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<v Speaker 1>it is the Criminalizing Descent bill. It is the explicit, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>how could it be any more explicit? Like that's like

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<v Speaker 1>saying a handgun that is pointed at your head could

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<v Speaker 1>be used to shoot you. That's the whole fucking reason

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<v Speaker 1>it's there. Yeah, like what what other things? Well, so

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying it could be used what other things could

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<v Speaker 1>it be used for?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is specifically a weapon to make it so

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<v Speaker 1>they can arrest trans people or people who are critical

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<v Speaker 1>of fucking capitalism.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like, I mean, the order itself is just

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<v Speaker 2>very wacky, and it's like sort of it's doing this

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing of like there's all these foreign money coming

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<v Speaker 2>in because a lot I was reading a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people who talk about like Farah enforcement, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>Foreign Agents Registration Act, Like they're trying to use that

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<v Speaker 2>to try and say like if there are affinity groups

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<v Speaker 2>or advocacy groups that are receiving money from anything that

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<v Speaker 2>could be tied to like like a foreign country or

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<v Speaker 2>foreign national, Yeah, that they're going to try and use

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<v Speaker 2>that to be like, oh, we have foreign people trying

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<v Speaker 2>to affect like, you know, the conversation in this country

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<v Speaker 2>by backing these groups or whatever. So I was reading

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<v Speaker 2>about like lawyers who work with certain groups that you

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<v Speaker 2>know could be seen as quote unquote being in the

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<v Speaker 2>part of this, like you know, a terroristic group that

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<v Speaker 2>they should really be looking over because seems like maybe

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<v Speaker 2>like foreign money is going to be an inroad with

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<v Speaker 2>how they try and legally fuck people over too, like

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<v Speaker 2>to start yeah with like these like you know, larger

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<v Speaker 2>organizations to be like why are you getting money from

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<v Speaker 2>this person who lives out of the country. Oh, that's strange.

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<v Speaker 1>In this global economy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's just really it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's not interesting. It's just very confusing because

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<v Speaker 2>like legally, like all the people who read it, they're like, like, legally,

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<v Speaker 2>this documents all over the place, but they're also like,

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<v Speaker 2>at the same time, the government is using nothing but

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<v Speaker 2>like legally dubious arguments to fuck with people right now.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So in that way, it's like hard to know

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<v Speaker 2>how this actually ends up like manifesting.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems bad, it seems no, no, it is I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>like to articulate it already to be like, if you

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<v Speaker 1>do not believe Jesus Christ is the Savior and money

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<v Speaker 1>is his rest, the greenback is his father, you will

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<v Speaker 1>go away for whatever or lose.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything or whatever. They you know, decide to punish it.

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<v Speaker 1>They were annoyed that they only had to take Jimmy

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<v Speaker 1>Kimmel off the air. They were wishing they could just

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<v Speaker 1>arrest him, you know. The update on the Gods of

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<v Speaker 1>flotilla is that it has been intercepted by the Israeli Navy,

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<v Speaker 1>who detained hundreds of activists and arrested them with no

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<v Speaker 1>right to do so in any way, And I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's really it's very depressing. And then like I'm also

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<v Speaker 1>really depressed to report that I was like half relieved

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<v Speaker 1>that they didn't murder them all. That's like where the

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<v Speaker 1>fucking where my expectations are for the Israeli military. But

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<v Speaker 1>I like everybody should be outraged. There are protests cropping up,

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<v Speaker 1>but these are they're arresting and detaining people who were

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<v Speaker 1>trying to bring fucking baby formula and like humanitarian aid,

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<v Speaker 1>humanitarian aid, purely humanitarian aid. So that's extremely frustrating. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that the people who organized this were hoping

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<v Speaker 1>that they could get aid to the starving people in Gaza.

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<v Speaker 1>But also we're aware that this is a possibility of

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<v Speaker 1>just like showing how nakedly fucked this enemy is and

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<v Speaker 1>how fucking awful they are, how like they will arrest

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<v Speaker 1>people and treat it like you're trying to smuggle heroin

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<v Speaker 1>for trying to bring baby formula to starving infants.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I mean it just shows you. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>like when when the West, you know, the quote unquote

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<v Speaker 2>the West are like the former colonial powers are on

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<v Speaker 2>your side. It's one thing, right, That's why Ukraine is

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<v Speaker 2>getting support, right, because all these countries are sort of

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<v Speaker 2>like they're mostly in agreement that they're like yeah, yeah, yeah, Russia,

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<v Speaker 2>bad fight them, Here's here's stuff to fight them with.

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<v Speaker 2>But with this, I'm sorry, like the idea of these

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<v Speaker 2>people like acknowledging the oppression and the apartheid state and

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<v Speaker 2>all that, like that's just it's just like a thing

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<v Speaker 2>they can't that's just a bridge they're not able to cross.

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<v Speaker 2>So now we have this like weird disjointed movement where

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<v Speaker 2>like some countries are like, yeah, fucking do something, but

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<v Speaker 2>also fuck man, maybe turned back.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Shit, it's hard and there's only a.

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<v Speaker 1>Few you're gonna make the mad stop. Yeah, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>undermine peace talks. Jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you have the other nations who are very much

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<v Speaker 2>staunchly opposed in our vocal about it. But again because

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, they don't have the same standing as

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<v Speaker 2>like an America or a France or UK. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it allows you know, Israel to keep doing this shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was listening to an interview with one of

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<v Speaker 1>the people on the flotilla, who is like the Spanish

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<v Speaker 1>and Italian support was seemed pretty lax, Like they were

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<v Speaker 1>like just so you know, if you guys get attacked,

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<v Speaker 1>we're like not engaging. We're just and we're probably not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be with you much longer because this is scary. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we don't want to like get dragged into this,

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<v Speaker 2>like as a government. But good luck, good luck to you,

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<v Speaker 2>good luck to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Finally, we want to say rip to Jane Goodall, legendary

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<v Speaker 1>primatologists who passed away at the age of ninety one

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<v Speaker 1>of Natural Causes, famous for living with chimpanzees. Her research

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<v Speaker 1>was pivotal and proving similarities in primate and human behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>The video that's going viral is a footage of her

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<v Speaker 1>comparing Trump's behavior to male chimps, saying, quote, the same

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<v Speaker 1>sort of behavior as a male chimpanzee will show when

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<v Speaker 1>he is competing for dominance with another They're upright, they swagger,

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<v Speaker 1>they project themselves as really more large and aggressive than

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<v Speaker 1>they may actually be in order to intimidate their rivals.

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<v Speaker 1>But also, like she you know, we like chimpanzees. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like this is a disservice to her message for

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<v Speaker 1>this to be the thing that's going viral. Yeah. The

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<v Speaker 1>thing that I found it interesting that I did not know.

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<v Speaker 1>Our writer jam pointed out she was very open to

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of bigfoot go on.

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<v Speaker 4>Jane.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, she once said that during a trip to Ecuador,

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<v Speaker 1>locals recalled seeing six foot tall monkeys with no tails,

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<v Speaker 1>which she speculated could be the last of the Neanderthals.

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<v Speaker 1>This is super interesting. Like this is from the interview.

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<v Speaker 1>We'd flown for two solid hours over unbroken forest in

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<v Speaker 1>a small plane, so just all forest to like think

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<v Speaker 1>of the most remote place you can imagine. We visited

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<v Speaker 1>four tiny little communities, thirty to fifty people, no roads.

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<v Speaker 1>They communicate with each other by means of like in

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<v Speaker 1>the old days it was a town crier. But they

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<v Speaker 1>are hunters and carry the news from one village to another,

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<v Speaker 1>and letters and things like that. So I had an

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<v Speaker 1>interpreter and I said to him, when you next meet

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<v Speaker 1>one of these hunters, could you ask if they've ever

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<v Speaker 1>seen a monkey without a tail. Three of the hunters

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<v Speaker 1>came back and said, oh, yes, we've seen monkeys without tails.

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<v Speaker 1>They walk upright and they're about six feet tall. This

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<v Speaker 1>was an interpreter from the village. He knew nothing about Bigfoot,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing at all. Every single country has its version Yei

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<v Speaker 1>Yawie in Australia, wild Man in China. So I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if it's perhaps a myth that stems from maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the last of the Neanderthals. But then is the last

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<v Speaker 1>of the Neanderthals still living in these remote forests? And

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<v Speaker 1>then in another interview she said, there's something I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what it is. I have throughout my life been

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<v Speaker 1>very dismissive of people who believe in Bigfoot, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is very interesting that she's like, yeah, no, I've been

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<v Speaker 1>out there. There could totally be a Bigfoot, right. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's so much of the world, so much of the

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<v Speaker 1>oceans we always talk about, but even a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>like the world is pretty unexplored, you know. We we

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<v Speaker 1>have this. The one thing that I feel like I've

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<v Speaker 1>learned as I've gotten more, you know, read more and

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<v Speaker 1>lived more, is we have this myth that I had,

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<v Speaker 1>like when I first started, you know, coming out of

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<v Speaker 1>my like public school education, was that like we have

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<v Speaker 1>the world locked down. There's just like cameras ever we

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<v Speaker 1>know everything, we know what's going on everywhere, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>just not true, just not true. There's so much mystery

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<v Speaker 1>out there.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean this definitely, that's that's a good that's a

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<v Speaker 2>good uh good coast sign from Jane good All.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the best coast sign you could probably get.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I wonder how many people.

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<v Speaker 1>Are like fuck Jane. Yeah, I'm sure these are probably

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<v Speaker 1>the last two things she would want people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, right, Like I mean, did anyone ever ask

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<v Speaker 2>her about the one hundred men versus a gorilla?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm sure, And I'm sure she didn't deign to.

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<v Speaker 2>She'd be like, oh yeah, She's like, one hundred men

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<v Speaker 2>will get cooked. I wish they have no fucking chance.

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<v Speaker 2>She was. Actually, what's wild is she was going to

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<v Speaker 2>do a tree planting ceremony in Pasadena near Alta Dina

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<v Speaker 2>as like a way to sort of commemorate like the fires.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, like this week. Yeah, and then like she

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<v Speaker 2>just didn't passed away. It was just.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well rip, what a life? Uh what a ledge

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<v Speaker 1>true ledge. Yeah. Those are some of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>are trending on this October second, Thursday afternoon. We are

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<v Speaker 1>back tomorrow with the whole last episode of the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Until then, be kind to each other, be kind to yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>get the vaccines where you still can't get your flu shots,

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<v Speaker 1>don't do nothing about white supremacy, and we will talk

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<v Speaker 1>to you all tomorrow. By bye.

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<v Speaker 2>The Daily Zeit Guys is executive produced by Katherin Law,

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<v Speaker 2>co produced by bay Way, co produced by Victor Wright

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<v Speaker 1>by Brian Jeffries