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Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys

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Speaker 1: on the Pure War Room for incenter news and draft analysis,

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys select Ezekiel Elliot and now your hosts Dane Brugler,

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Speaker 1: David Hellman, and Brian brought us. Well. We welcome you

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Speaker 1: to the Saturday edition of the Draft Show, coming to

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Speaker 1: you live from the twenty eighteen NFL Combine. Uh this

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Speaker 1: is our last show here in Indianapolis, so we will

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Speaker 1: try and put a nice big bow on it for

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Speaker 1: everybody out there. We had the quarterbacks, wide receivers and

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Speaker 1: tight ends work today, the big money positions that uh,

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Speaker 1: I mean some tight ends. Maybe you can make some

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Speaker 1: money today with the way they were out there. But

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Speaker 1: as always I got my scouting buddies. Dane Brugler, David Hellman,

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Speaker 1: Kent Garrison, Executive Producing. I want to open the show

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Speaker 1: tonight with though a little bit of sad news. And

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Speaker 1: we kind of talked about this last night, and this

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Speaker 1: is something that from the experience that we've we've learned

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Speaker 1: here at the combine. We talked about this as a

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Speaker 1: possibility and it tends to happen when medical are involved.

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Speaker 1: And really for the combine, the most important things for

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Speaker 1: these teams are the medical checks. You know, they need

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Speaker 1: to find out about these players. The health of these players.

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Speaker 1: Something that I was worried about last night. I think

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Speaker 1: we were all kind of worried about, is is there

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Speaker 1: gonna be a guy pop up? Is there something going

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Speaker 1: to happen that's going to allow that's not going to

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Speaker 1: allow someone to potentially not live their NFL dream. Now

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Speaker 1: again where you know, we'll need to see what all

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Speaker 1: the tests lead to. But as we get into more information,

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Speaker 1: Maurice Hurst, the very talented defensive tackle, the under tackle

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Speaker 1: three technique from Michigan, we're hearing from reports, has a

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Speaker 1: heart condition and so kind of running some things down.

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Speaker 1: Adam Schefter had it today and then I, you know,

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Speaker 1: we were just kind of thinking about my guys Shore.

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Speaker 1: We talked about it last night and now we have

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Speaker 1: a situation like that. But the thoughts are though that

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Speaker 1: Hurst is gonna have to they came, they found the condition.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna have to run some more tests if the

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Speaker 1: tests are going to determine whether he in fact can

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Speaker 1: continue his career playing football. So for a a young

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Speaker 1: man that Dane Brugler in his first mock traff had

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Speaker 1: coming to the Dallas Cowboys at eighteen. I think I

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Speaker 1: know I had him on the board at the first round.

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Speaker 1: I believe Dane had him on the first round. David,

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Speaker 1: you'd seen him before. But again, talk about him, Dane,

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Speaker 1: talk about the fear we had being here at the combine.

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Speaker 1: It's something like this was going to happen, and lo

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Speaker 1: and behold, they happened last night. Yeah, and it's unfortunate

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Speaker 1: because this is something that's potentially career ending. You know,

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Speaker 1: not to be that's not to be over dramatic or anything.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's a serious issue. And this isn't a precaution,

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's something that teams are really

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Speaker 1: worried about. So first and foremost, you just hope the

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Speaker 1: best for him as a person. Um, you know, he

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Speaker 1: gonna get second and third opinions, Uh, you know from

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Speaker 1: this out, and you know, we have this happened, but

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Speaker 1: she hasn't thirteam a star Lotu Lelee right when he

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Speaker 1: had a hard condition here at the combine, didn't work out,

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Speaker 1: rules out Maurice Hearst from draft consideration at nineteen or

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Speaker 1: for any team for that matter. But at this point

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Speaker 1: you know, unfortunate bit of news. But you know the

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Speaker 1: nauseum about how guys like Calvin Ridley, Roquan Smith probably

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Speaker 1: So this isn't a case where now you're gonna get

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Speaker 1: But it's a lot of I mean, guy, he I

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Speaker 1: I'd be surprised if you as the pick. But again,

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Speaker 1: Chark is he doesn't need to be a eight catchy

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00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,960
Speaker 1: game guy. He needs to make two explosive plays a

425
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,440
Speaker 1: game and he would justify. But going in the first round,

426
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 1: he needs to be a three catch one hundred and

427
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 1: ten yard kind of guy, which is and have a

428
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 1: you know, average eight yards on punts and you know

429
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 1: he can do that too. When you brought this up,

430
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,159
Speaker 1: I laughed at you, both of you. We're sitting here

431
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 1: at the combine and I'm like, yeah, because we play

432
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 1: every week. But when hey, it's a it's a big picture, right,

433
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,280
Speaker 1: You take the you take the combine, take the stats.

434
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 1: Oh sure, resume When you add it all together, it

435
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,200
Speaker 1: makes sense. I don't know if it's going to work

436
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 1: out for the team that does it, but I'm not

437
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,399
Speaker 1: going to be surprised at all. The NFL covets explosive plays,

438
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,400
Speaker 1: and DJ Chark is abble to create some of those.

439
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 1: Two other names don't want to talk about as possibilities

440
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 1: in the first round. Wide receiver. Two guys that you

441
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,880
Speaker 1: know we talk about Calvin really DJ More. I think

442
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 1: we see those guys as more of number two. Coming

443
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,719
Speaker 1: around with Callaway is that you're about to tell me no, nobody,

444
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 1: Nobody's Callaway, but you won't even make my board. I

445
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,399
Speaker 1: know who he's gonna talk about because I see him

446
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,879
Speaker 1: highlighted on his computer. Go ahead. Two guys that have

447
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:05,120
Speaker 1: number one potential Courtland Sutton and Equanimius Saint Brown. Yeah,

448
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 1: not St Brown, And I think a lot of the rises.

449
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 1: I think when you look at Saint Brown, it's the

450
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,360
Speaker 1: quarterback play killed him. He had a real quarterback there.

451
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 1: He might be absolutely being talked about what you will

452
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 1: about Deshaun Kaiser. But his production as a as a

453
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 1: sophomore question hire than what he did as a junior

454
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,440
Speaker 1: under Brandon Wimbush. But Saint Brown at that size, I

455
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,640
Speaker 1: mean he's almost six to five. His body's still developing,

456
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 1: he's still jacked. Uh. He runs really well and he

457
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,640
Speaker 1: makes plays at all levels of the field. And then

458
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 1: Courtland Sutton, he had himself a good day dinner. You know,

459
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,880
Speaker 1: we talked about it yesterday on the on the show.

460
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,639
Speaker 1: Five two athlete, four or five eight athlete, Right, he

461
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 1: runs a four or five five right in the middle,

462
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,440
Speaker 1: So you know, I not a bad time for him,

463
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 1: not a great time. The biggest thing for him, and

464
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 1: he had good numbers in the short agility drills. Big

465
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: thing for him will just be the route running. Can

466
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 1: he develop as a route runner and adjust to a

467
00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 1: pro style system. I think it might take a year

468
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,120
Speaker 1: for him. He might have the red shirt, not completely

469
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 1: red shirt. But I don't think he's gonna live up

470
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: to his status as a top fifty pick as a rookie.

471
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 1: But year two, year three, that's where you hope Sutton blossoms.

472
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 1: Does he remind you a little bit with the four

473
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: four or five speed of not getting any faster, not

474
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 1: getting any quicker? Does it? Does it bother you that

475
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 1: he's a six three guy two hundred plus pounds and

476
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 1: he's a four or five five guy. I think he

477
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 1: can compensate enough with that size and be a power

478
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 1: forward on the field that he doesn't need to beat

479
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley with his rounds. He doesn't need to be.

480
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 1: He just needs to give a little bit of separation

481
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: so his quarterback can have some kind of target. So

482
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 1: and if he can do that where you know he

483
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 1: doesn't get hung up on the on press and at that.

484
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 1: Did you ever see him get bullied a little bit

485
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: for a big guy A little bit? Yeah, But it's

486
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 1: hard because in college you know no, no, and I.

487
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 1: And the reason I'm asking you that is because we

488
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,679
Speaker 1: seem to get fooled by that. Again. I mean, I

489
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: can see you went at him. Oh No, I I

490
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 1: get fooled. I get I got fooled by the big guy.

491
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: If he would have come in here and say he

492
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: would have run four four eight four four seven, I'm

493
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 1: I'm going with you. But he's yeah, that's no, it's

494
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: not that, it's just the fact. No, No, it's not.

495
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 1: You even said about the scheme. You've said about the scheme,

496
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: there's a huge jump. Yeah, sure, but I'm talking about

497
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: a six three receiver that runs four five five. Yeah.

498
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: Are we gonna get any faster? No, But that's I

499
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 1: don't think you need to. Yeah, I mean that's in

500
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: this league. In this league, you said you just, oh,

501
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 1: you just have to do just enough to get separation.

502
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 1: Can he get separation? But I don't think it's an

503
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: athletic thing for him. It's a route running thing. Because

504
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,959
Speaker 1: he performed well in the short agility drills. He has

505
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: some quickness to him, and I think with work in

506
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: improving his routes, he can be in Alan Alshan Jeffrey's

507
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: not a burner, no, but he can do just enough.

508
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 1: And that's what I think that Alan Jeffrey went from

509
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: being a guy drafted and then and then and then

510
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: all of a sudden having to sign a one year

511
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: deal with Philadelphia, and then he got an extension and

512
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl ring. Yeah think well after after he

513
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: signed a one year deal. Well, and but I think

514
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 1: that's more laziness than all that. And that's that's what

515
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: you figure out. What was Sutton? If you think something's

516
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: gonna work at it, if you think that he is

517
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: going to put it into time to reach his potential,

518
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: and then a team will consider him at some point

519
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: in the first round. It's fair. The twenty shuttle was

520
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: four eleven, that's fair. It's a good time between three

521
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 1: sixty shuttle was eleven o six. You know what, You

522
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: make sense on that, that part of it you make sense.

523
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: I'm just looking I'm just looking at at the at

524
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: the thirty two and a half vertical ten four, broad's okay?

525
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 1: On that. The three cone was six to five seven.

526
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he doesn't have bus potential, No, no,

527
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 1: I uh six five seven, Yeah, that's ridiculous. That's ridiculous

528
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: for a guy that size. I mean, what would qut

529
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 1: have in a three cone? Do you have that? Yeah?

530
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 1: Of course I had that. But he's a smaller guy, right, Yeah,

531
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 1: should be trying to make here, and I have no

532
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: idea what he ran so qut was he ran four

533
00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 1: as official was four four three Cot was three. Okay,

534
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 1: Yeah for a Suddon, a guy that's you know, thirty pounds, bigger, taller,

535
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: just play that way then yeah, well, and that's again,

536
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: I don't think it's an athletic thing. I think it's

537
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: a route thing and just him being comfortable running a

538
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 1: full route tree getting the most at the top of

539
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: routes at the stem. It's something I think he's capable.

540
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 1: He has bus potential. There's no question we both agree there.

541
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 1: So you're on the on the forty, you're okay with

542
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: that because you're okay because of the three cone and

543
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: the shuttle numbers right exactly. That gives me hope that

544
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: he's not a bad He's not a bad athlete. He

545
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: just needs to be more polished. This is this is

546
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 1: a goal. I mean, the combine's over for us for

547
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: all intents and purposes. I know there's still a few

548
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: more days, but the goal not And it's not just

549
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: Lakwan Treadwell Brian, But like what we watched from this team,

550
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 1: you know Dez Bryant's problem. You know, route running is

551
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: in two for these receivers. Sure, and I think that

552
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: that scares you a little bit. It scares me. That's

553
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: I haven't paid a lick of attention to these big

554
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 1: receivers this entire process because I don't want them. But

555
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: it's not about what I want. And that's so you know, no, no,

556
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: it's a priority. It's a big priority for me to

557
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: figure out. I just a Cowboys feeling. I'm just thinking

558
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: about the National Football League and in separation overall. Here here,

559
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: let's talk about you know, Aggie's your muffs. Christian Kirk

560
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: or his agility numbers. Christian Kirk was seven oh nine

561
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: in the three cone, four to five five in the

562
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: twenty shuttle twelve O three in the sixty twelve O three.

563
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: That is not good. That's almost a full second. Yeah.

564
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: But his you know, his ten yard, his ten yard

565
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: was one five four. It's great. But for a slow receiver,

566
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it's getting off it's the it's getting off

567
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: the line. Sure, and that's great, but again that's not

568
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: translating into at the top of the route. Uh. And

569
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: that's Christian Kirk did not have a good day playing simple. Uh.

570
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: Now he has good tape, but he now I have

571
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: a good day. He not tests like we expected unfortunately

572
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 1: for him. Yeah, I just like I said, I just

573
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be I look at a guy,

574
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: a big guy that runs a four to five five,

575
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, is he gonna get faster? But yeah,

576
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: the shuttle numbers and all that, And again, folks, I

577
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: am not bashing on smun I'm not trying to bash

578
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 1: on uh you know, the big receivers and all that.

579
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: I just I worry about a little bit. But we'll see.

580
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: He has must potential. We'll see. We'll see about that, Okay.

581
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: Anybody else though, Michael Gallup, I kinda I saw him.

582
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: Any I'm looking at second round guys. I'm looking about

583
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 1: potential guys. Maybe for the cow was at fifty, you know, Yeah,

584
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: is sudden better he suddenly go in the first round. Yeah,

585
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: he's probably now with the way you've described him, stuff like,

586
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: he's probably gone before fifty. Is Gallop gone before fifty?

587
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: I don't think so know. But he had a good

588
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: day to day with a four or five one official

589
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: in the forty night, which is a good number for him,

590
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: as six nine five in the three cone, four three

591
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: seven in the twenty shuttle and then eleven eighty four

592
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: in the sixty. Yeah, and you know who I thought

593
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: I had a really good day was Deon Kane h Clemson, Clemson.

594
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: We got some off the field stuff with Deon Kane

595
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: um more injury stuff. But he has some off field

596
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: stuff too, but younger when he was younger, So I

597
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: don't I'm not sure how much of a concern it

598
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: is now. But if you read off his number, yeah,

599
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: eight three quarters hands the first thing I noticed it

600
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: shows because he has a lot of drops. Yeah, four

601
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: four three and the forty official U thirty three and

602
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: a half of the vert, ninety seven on the broad

603
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: six seven one in the three cone, four three seven

604
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: in the twenty shuttle, and eleven seventy eight in the

605
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: sixty Shuttle. Numbers are just kind of there. Yeah. But

606
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: but when you talk about catching the football and stuff today,

607
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,239
Speaker 1: I don't think that was terrible. I don't disagree with

608
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: you on that. Yeah, the film is up and down.

609
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: The drops were you a little bit, But just as

610
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: a a size, speed, strength type of receiver. That's the

611
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: type of guy that you look at on day two

612
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: and you want to develop him and turn him into something.

613
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: So Deon Keane's a name to remember for a day

614
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,239
Speaker 1: two target, Day two targets for sure? There all right, then, uh,

615
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: just gonna again kind of going, is there anybody else though? David?

616
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: Down there? They kind of caught your eye a little

617
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: bit that you that you were interested. I know you're

618
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: on Jerry Jones duty today, so it's probably a little

619
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: unfair for you to, oh, well, I'll actually you know, well,

620
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: I mean Gallup is a guy you know, as always,

621
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: I think of this in terms of the Cowboys, So

622
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you got your options at nineteen

623
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: and then I'm always looking for fallback options, which is right.

624
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,479
Speaker 1: So Gallup is a guy that has always stood out

625
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: to me. Dane always tells me he's not a not

626
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: a chance at eighty one, which you know, so I'm

627
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: it's fifty reasonable. And then another guy I think, I

628
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: actually this might have been a Twitter question, but I

629
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: don't care. Another guy. You know, I just said I

630
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: haven't paid enough attention to Sutton sat Brown. Another guy

631
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: that falls in that category for me is Pedis. Yeah,

632
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: he didn't work out today, so yeah, that was kind

633
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: of a situation. But I'll tell you what. Let me

634
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: let me throw one at you. Then David, let me

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Speaker 1: throw another one. Petis Dana and enlighten me on Dylan

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Speaker 1: Cantrell from Texas Tech. Okay, and and you know, and

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Speaker 1: I initially then when I asked you this, initially I

638
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Speaker 1: think it was you said kind of an h kind

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00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: of an That's how I graded him when I watched

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00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: this film, I thought he was a kind of a

641
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: hybrid receiver Texas Tech. Yeah, six two seven, two twenty six.

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00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: Now what's interesting about him? As the official time is

643
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,719
Speaker 1: four five nine, yeah, in the forty, but then you

644
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: flip him on the on the on the athletic stuff

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00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: thirty eight yeah, thirty eight and a half vertical, ten

646
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: ten broad jump, six five six in the three comb,

647
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: four h three in the twenty shuttle and ten eight

648
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: five in the sixty shuttle. This is now, I gotta

649
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: go watch tape on Dylan can triss for a player

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00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: at six three, two hundred twenty seven pounds, right, he

651
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: crushed it, right, And you're gonna watch his tape and

652
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna see a lot of sideline throws? Is it

653
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: gonna be the same thing as like watching Sutton play

654
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: at SMU A little bit with it's kind of screens,

655
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: very very limited route tre a lot of comebacks, yeah,

656
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: come back heavy in that offense. It sounds like you're

657
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: talking about Jaman Moore. Uh yeah, kind of a little

658
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: bit with the way the offense is set up and

659
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: the routes he's asked to run. But he's very efficient,

660
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: strong ball skills. He's used to making catches with a

661
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: receipt with the defender on his hip, so he can

662
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: Separation is gonna be a little bit of an issue,

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00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: but yeah, but he wasn't asked to run you know,

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Speaker 1: the sophisticated routes where he could really show that. I

665
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: don't think he wasn't coached up in that way. Yeah,

666
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: it was. It was just you know, simple comebacks where

667
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: it's just timing with him in the quarterback where but

668
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: he did a nice job on those because he wins

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00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: fifty fifty balls with the strong ball skills, he uses

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Speaker 1: his body to shield defenders from the ball. Uh. He's

671
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: a one speed guy. You know, you see him down

672
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: the field and there's just there's one gear. But he

673
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: does have that short area quickness, which I didn't think

674
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: he'd put up these numbers, but uh yeah, Dylan controls

675
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: one of my He's a favorite Day three target as

676
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: kind of an h back wide receiver hybrid type of role.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, and I'm not saying this

678
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: because I'm comparing a white wide receiver to a white

679
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,719
Speaker 1: wide receiver. But is this guy? Is this guy? I mean,

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00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: I think Jordy Nelson was quicker, But is it the

681
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: same kind of guy, the fifty fifty ball winner, the

682
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: guy that has the quickness, the guy that has some

683
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: lateral ability? I mean, is that hell of a comparison. Yeah,

684
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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. Again, I'm not trying to compare.

685
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: I'm not just because he's a white wide receiver. I'm

686
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: just sales beast though. Yeah. And second round pick from

687
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: Kansas State though too as well. But pick the number running.

688
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, though. If this guy's catching fifty

689
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: fifty balls, but has he maybe it's a bad comparison. Maybe,

690
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: But I'm just thinking about it. I kind of think

691
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: of Jordy Nelson being that guy that's kind of got

692
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Speaker 1: that the that the quickness and the you know, the ability,

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Speaker 1: the route running where he you know, can get a

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Speaker 1: little bit, can get open and stuff like that. Maybe

695
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: it's a maybe it's a really bad Ray Nelson. He's

696
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: so savvy and he's so he has such a great

697
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: understanding of how to break down the defender to create

698
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: that separation. I don't think Cantrell's there yet. He's just

699
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: you know, in the Texas Tech offense. Three guys for

700
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 1: sure right day three. Maybe these times will change that.

701
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: But that's the great eye gave him. Yeah, Okay, well,

702
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: I'm just I haven't seen the player. That's why I'm

703
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: asking about the game. And you know, I like him

704
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: best as kind of an H back hybrid, where you know,

705
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 1: line him up in the backfield, let him run rounds

706
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: out of the backfield, put him in the slot, try

707
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: him in line, see what he can do. I think

708
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: there's some versatility here where he can play outside. He

709
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: was the Z receiver in that Texas Tech offense. He

710
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 1: can do some things, though. I want to he'd be

711
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: a guy I want to bring my facility, work him out,

712
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: see what you could do with him. If versatility I

713
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: think he has. If he can work out that way,

714
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: that's a guy that I would look to target at

715
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: some point on day three. Okay, I'm looking at Ken

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00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: Garrison right now, ken, Am I good to break this

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Speaker 1: Is the Dallas Cowboy dot com draft. We're back here

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Speaker 1: in the twenty eighteen NFL combine. Date Brugler kind of

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00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 1: got some more information. Little nuggets. Linebackers got some nuggets.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I chance why we got you. I always

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Speaker 1: everything we can add it before we lose you one

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Speaker 1: of these teams. But what do you got? Um? So,

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Speaker 1: Josie Jewel linebacker, I got we talked about had a

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00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: formal meeting with the Cowboys. There you go. We know

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00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: this team is gonna be looking at linebackers. Jewel, Wait

768
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,200
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769
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: we know this team will be looking at linebackers. And

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00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: Josie Jewel he uh, he's your prototypical mic. Yeah. The

771
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: instincts are off the charts. The athleticisms okay, not bad,

772
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: not great. Uh, He's not on Sean Lee's level. But

773
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,439
Speaker 1: you see some Sean Lee in his game. You see

774
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: a lot of good tackling space. Yeah. White, the white comparison.

775
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: But you do see that, right, It's it's the instinct

776
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: that's why you draw comp play develop he can diagnose,

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00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: he go uh for a big guy, he kind of

778
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: gets through cracks. He does and he runs through and

779
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: gets the athlete not at all. You put him up

780
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: against Seaquon Barkley one on one and he but but

781
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: he struggled, but but everyone but kind of give everybody.

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00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: You don't think the numbers are going to be off

783
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: the chart tomorrow, No, No, it's just gonna be a

784
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a steady workout. Yeah, yeah, right, and

785
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: so tape is better than the workout. It's gonna be right, Yeah,

786
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: I think so. I think some of the short area

787
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: he might do better than people expect. For the forty

788
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: probably won't be great, um, but he's a guy three.

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00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: I think we had him at yeah one time at

790
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: number at pick number fifty, Josie Jewel. He's another guy

791
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: should be on the short list, a linebacker that can

792
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: come in and contribute right away. So we didn't get

793
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: a scene at the Senior Bowl. He was getting over

794
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: a sickness then. But he's a guy to keep on

795
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: the radar because the Cowboys are keep the Hawkeye traditional.

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00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: So David take this show over right now. Wow, Yeah,

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00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: I completely forgot about that. I was so engrossed in

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00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: the wide receiver conversation. Um, I mean didn't forget. I

799
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: got a questions you do? Um? Which, all right, well,

800
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: let's start and we covered so much wide receiver. Um.

801
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: Any tight end questions exactly? Eric wants to know about

802
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: tight ends that may be climbing into the first round.

803
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: And a follow up because we got a lot of

804
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: question about your favorite Nittany Lyon. Uh, Mike Jick right

805
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: about him? Uh, Matt wants to know if he's a

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00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: consideration at fifties. Talk to me, talk to me about

807
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: first round possibilities for tight ends, not not necessarily for

808
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, just in general. Yeah. And then also, what

809
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: mister Secki did we start with real quick? Yeah, Bran,

810
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: let me ask you this question, but are the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: do it? Are the Cowboys? Are they creative enough to

812
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: use a talent? The answer is probably not. Just because

813
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: creative is the question, the answers probably know. He's not

814
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: your traditional in line tight end. That's not how we

815
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: should be used. He's basically an oversized receiver. Right, and

816
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: he's a guy that we know can go up and

817
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: get the ball. He had what forty one and a

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00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: half invert today? Uh four or five four and the

819
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: forty yard dat. He's basically a supersized receiver. That's how

820
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: he should be used. And I want to see him

821
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Speaker 1: in the backfield. I want to see him the slot.

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00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: I want to see him all over the formation. That's

823
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: how we should be used. Would the Cowboys consider a

824
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 1: player like that when traditionally they don't haven't been open

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00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: minded to a guy like that. I'll tell you what, though,

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Speaker 1: they drafted a guy like that, To be honest him, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I wish they would. I

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00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: wish this guy would they've drafted fifty two or years ago,

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00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: or three years ago or four years ago. That's this

830
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 1: is the guy they needed to pick in the second

831
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Speaker 1: round when they were trying to to draft all those

832
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: tight end. Yeah, this was the guy they needed that

833
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: needed to be on the board. Not not Gavin Escobar.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry Gavin Escobar if you're watching from San Diego,

835
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: California or something like that, but yeah, this this is

836
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: the guy that needed to be the one that was selected.

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00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: Anything under a seven and a three cone for a

838
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: tight end is fantastic. And he had a six seven

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Speaker 1: six yeah, and a yeah short shuttle of four one

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00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: h number and six yeah, ten nine actually ten nine

841
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: brought forty one and a half on the vertical. Great numbers,

842
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I mean tweet. But again, the guy

843
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: will not block. He'll try, he'll try, but he will not.

844
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's tough, it is. There's some there's

845
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 1: some like huh huh some of that to him, And man,

846
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: I like that. I don't put that in the sky refore. Yeah,

847
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: just do it when you're typing it go huh okay

848
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 1: like that darn he got past me. Yeah, but no,

849
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I like you always laugh about my Will Disley,

850
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: who is like a terrible athlete. He's the topposite of

851
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: the exactly as a blocker. Yeah, and that's what I'm

852
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: saying though. This is but we can figure out a

853
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: way to combine the two. We don't need any more. Yeah,

854
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: you got the perfect time, absolutely, and uh, I'll get

855
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: into one more guy too, Hayden Hurst. You brought that

856
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: up yesterday and uh, you know, we had an interesting

857
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 1: conversation at dinner last night about that, you know, and

858
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: and the table, the table seemed to feel like that,

859
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: you know when you asked me about the yips and

860
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: I was like, uh, I'll take the gag on the

861
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: table turned against me last night. You guys just jumped

862
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: on me like I'd never take that guy? Are you

863
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: kidding me? And you know I'm still staying. Hey, Nurst

864
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: tight end he did actually did pretty well today. Four

865
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: six seven is the official time ten foot broad Uh,

866
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: seven one nine in your twenty shuttle, four three seven

867
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: in the short Excuse me, uh when I say that?

868
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: Seven one nine in the three cone, three four three

869
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: seven in the short shuttle, twelve fifteen in the sixty

870
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: show average numbers for a tight end and Dallas Goddard

871
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: did not work out, did not work on that hamstring

872
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: and bowl. But these tight ends, and I tell you

873
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: they all caught the ball well too, though it did

874
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: I thought they did galla drills everything about that and

875
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 1: a good day Oklahoma. Yeah, Ian Thomas from Indiana, Pete

876
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: Prisco's guy. He came over and wore you and I out.

877
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 1: We're trying to watch and Prisco sits down and my

878
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: favorite guy is you know, I'm like, Okay, thanks, I've

879
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: said this. I if the Cowboys want to tight end

880
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: in this draft Ian Thomas in the third round, Thomas,

881
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: that's who I would want them to because he doesn't

882
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: need to produce from day one. He's a guy that

883
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 1: you can grow into a starter. And we're not shocking

884
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: me at all. Five years from now we talking about

885
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: Ian Thomas as the best head end from this group.

886
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, I don't disagree with you there.

887
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: Where are you putting these guys? As always? That's what

888
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: I care about. Goddard I think is in the late first.

889
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: Hayden Hurst could get in the late first as well.

890
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: Uh with it again with Hurst, there's so many variables

891
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: that teams are talking about. Mark Andrews. By the way,

892
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: you're talking about the age, you talk about the yips,

893
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: you talk about just what is he going to? Where

894
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: is he fit in the offense. Guys the table hate

895
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: the yips. It's just part of the equation. You know,

896
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: think of a math equation for a player for Hayden Hurst,

897
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: and it's just part of the equation. But no, Mark

898
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: Andrews um from Oklahoma basically a slot receiver in Oklahoma's offense. Yeah,

899
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 1: but he has the size and the skill said of

900
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: an inline guy. He's gonna have to, you know, adjust

901
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: to a blocking role and that's not going to just

902
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 1: happen overnight. But his time to tie, his time tied

903
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: with a Hurst six seven. Yeah, so you had actually

904
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: Jalen Samuels from North Carolina State had the four to

905
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 1: five four And he's not really a tight end anymore

906
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: of your h back got to do everything guy, But

907
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: that guy Virginia Tech did. Everybody tried, Bucky Bucky Hodges,

908
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: that guy as a man without a position. Yeah, just

909
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 1: just I'm no disrespect to Penn State or the Nitney

910
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: Lions or mister Gasecki. Just keep him, keep him away

911
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: from me. How about them on this team? No, no, no,

912
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: It's got nothing to do with him as a player.

913
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: It's a wasted draft pick. It's a wasted draft pick.

914
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: Like the way they like to play and the fact

915
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: that Jason Witten is still playing. You talk about you're

916
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: not scared of the Lakwan Treadwell hangover. I got a

917
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: big time hangover from Gavin Escobarka because that's a top

918
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: fifty pick that played like what felt like half a

919
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: dozen snaps in his career. That's a fair point. I'm

920
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: you know, if you if you want to spend a

921
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 1: pick on a mid round guy that you think might develop,

922
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 1: and you need a tight end and you need special

923
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: teamers anyway, fine, I'm not trying to spend a premium

924
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: pick on a tight end until you think people would

925
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: just go nuts at fifty if they hit one of

926
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: these tights. No, I don't think people will go nuts.

927
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of people that would like that,

928
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: But me personally, I'm not worrying about that until Jason

929
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: Witten has decided to retire, because until then, I think

930
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: it's a waste of a research. If they let me

931
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: ask you this, if they don't take somebody other than

932
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: uh say Andrews, just Sicky or god or Goderd I

933
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: would say his name around, Godard, Godard, Goddard. If they

934
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: don't take one of those three, is it a wasted pick? No?

935
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, fifty, there's really only Well Goddard, Hurst,

936
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: Andrew's Kiseki. Yeah, uh possibilities at fifty. Um, you know,

937
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: one of those four I think probably gone. But they

938
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: will take one of those four, then you would kind

939
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: of consider Ian Thomas, that'd be too early for him. Yeah,

940
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: I think he's a third run player. Can I get

941
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: Ian Thomas at one sixteen? I don't think so. Me personally,

942
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: that's I don't want to eighty one. I'm not trying

943
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: to draft the tight end until okay three me which, Hey,

944
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: nobody cares about my opinion. If I'm looking forward guy.

945
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: If I'm looking for a guy in day three and

946
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: he passes the medicals, Chris Herndon from Miami, Uh, yeah,

947
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 1: that's a guy I need to watch. Yeah, Chris Herndon. Absolutely,

948
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: he did not work out today twenty one times. The

949
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: weights he is, I need to watch him six o

950
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: three six o three six two fifty three. He's got

951
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: thirty two and seven eight psalms nine and a quarter hands.

952
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, I've seen him on some flash tape. You

953
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: know when when you watch the tape, he's one of

954
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: those guys like, oh, who's that. He's a good player,

955
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: who's uber twenty three? Right, But again, yeah number twenty three.

956
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: But the knee late in the year. We just what

957
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: the medical staff says. But again, if you can get

958
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: him in the fourth and fifth round because of that, again,

959
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: kind of Dave was saying, you don't need your tight

960
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: end for the season opener, right, you know, I mean

961
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 1: he's a guy you project forward. The medical staff says, yeah,

962
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: he just needs to rehab and he'll be, you know,

963
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 1: just as good as new. Right. Yeah, he's a player

964
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: in the fourth round, fifth round, you look out. Uh.

965
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: Dane mentioned this guy yesterday. He actually called him a

966
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: Jarvis Landry clone. So that's Luise. Luis wants to know,

967
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 1: you know, he says that we really aren't talking about

968
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: Trey Quinn. Wants to know why that is. And and

969
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: I guess just more about him and what you think

970
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: about him Patriots is the right, is that our Pots

971
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: guy to have a Patriots visit, which is like the

972
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 1: most predictable thing ever. I think he's a Jarvis Landry

973
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: type of player where the speed's nothing. That's really five five,

974
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: my friend, right, And even on the field, I don't

975
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: know if he runs that fast. Yeah, And so he's

976
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: he's not the fastest guy, but he's his nice job

977
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: of breaking off routes and giving his quarterback a target. Uh,

978
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: he's very sure hands, strong hands. Uh, he can do

979
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: a little bit after the catch. Not a game breaker,

980
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: but he's just not not just a possession guy either.

981
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 1: Use him over the middle where he can find space

982
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: exposed zones, and that's what he does best. That's what

983
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: Jarvis Landry does best. And I think that's what this

984
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: guy can do. Uh So he's a good player, just

985
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: another one of these wide receivers in a loaded wide

986
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: receiver class, which for one nine on your twenty shuttle.

987
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: By the way, if you care, I pretty good. You

988
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: know you kind of you have these subconscious or not

989
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: even subconscious, but you kind of lean certain ways because

990
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: I don't see Trey Quinn fitting what the Cowboys are

991
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: looking for. Two guys on this that you have, you

992
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: have Cole Beasley and you have Ryan Switzer, right, Um,

993
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: I just would imagine the Cowboys, if they draft the receiver,

994
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: are looking more for a guy that's going to play outside.

995
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: So if we're not talking about him, that's probably why

996
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: uh vaughan, uh you know, poorly kept secret. But Jerry

997
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: Jones just kind of threw it out there for us

998
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: today that the Cowboys are going to take a look

999
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 1: at Byron Jones as a cornerback this year. Kind of figured.

1000
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,919
Speaker 1: But it's nice to have somebody important say it for sure? Yeah,

1001
00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: um so Vaughn wants to know, you know what, what's

1002
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 1: your plan at safety in light of that, I mean,

1003
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: if that is officially true. Now I'm taking that at

1004
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: face value. Byron's at least going to start the year

1005
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: out at cornerback. Pretty damn thin at safety. Um So

1006
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here thinking not. I mean, it's probably a

1007
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: free agency need, like whether that's you know, a big hey,

1008
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: whether it's a whether it's a big name or just

1009
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: a body, I don't know, but I would imagine you

1010
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: got to sign one. But then in the draft, I think.

1011
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why I've been, you know, talked so

1012
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: much about Derwin James. It seems like something that they

1013
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: would be smart to invest in in the first, you know,

1014
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 1: three rounds. What do you think you think? I mean,

1015
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: if you're the first, I said, I said this off

1016
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: the air today, as in love with DJ Moore, as

1017
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: I am, I would rather like, I'll I'll trade up

1018
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: to get Derwin James and forfeit my fiftieth pick over.

1019
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: Like if you told me I could have DJ Moore

1020
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: at nineteen, I'd still go after Derwin James at like

1021
00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:00,439
Speaker 1: twelve or whatever. I just I think would be dope. Um, Sorry,

1022
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: what was your question other than that, I think I

1023
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: mean because no, I think we agree Derwin James in

1024
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: the first probably in a trade up option. If you're

1025
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: gonna honestly, if you're gonna make if you're gonna draft

1026
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: a guy that's gonna make an impact immediately, like be

1027
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: good enough to push for a starting job immediately, it's

1028
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: probably gonna be by pick fifty. Yeah, because he I mean,

1029
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: JJ Wilcox was pick seventy. I think he was pick eighty,

1030
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: which is one pick before they picked this year in

1031
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,439
Speaker 1: the third and he got on the field as a rookie,

1032
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: but he certainly wasn't a difference maker as a rookie.

1033
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at the ways because Dane always likes

1034
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 1: to talk about safeties that are over two hundred pounds,

1035
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 1: you know, and I know our guy Golden from Tennessee

1036
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: measured in a one ninety seven, right, But I'm looking

1037
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,399
Speaker 1: at these other guys, the guys that could actually play.

1038
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: You know, people ask us a lot about Deshaun Elliott.

1039
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: He was two ten. They have Meeka Fitzpatrick at two

1040
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: oh four. They have him working with the safeties By

1041
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: the way, here at the combine U we've talked about

1042
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: let's see some of the guys. Derwin James, you mean him,

1043
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: he was two hundred and fifteen pounds, you know when

1044
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: you and that's kind of what you think. Justin Reid

1045
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 1: was a guy. A lot of people ask us about

1046
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: Justin Reid from Stanford. He was two o seven. But

1047
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: you know Monty Watts Texas A and M two o

1048
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: two uh Kaiser Kaiser white to eighteen and then your guy,

1049
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: Jordan Whitehead came in in one hundred and ninety eight.

1050
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: Good number for him. So yeah, I mean it's ah

1051
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: if you're looking for that guy, Jesse Bates, Jesse Bates,

1052
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: I was. I went too far down the list. I'm

1053
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: sorry about that day. Jesse Bates came in at two

1054
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: hundred pounds on the dot. There you go, uh one,

1055
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: sure he was going to reach two fifth or two hundred.

1056
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, good good day. Did Yeah. You know this

1057
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: safety class, we both love our Shawn Golden right, Um,

1058
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: but is he a true free safety or is he

1059
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: best as a Nichol? I mean I think he can

1060
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: do it, but you know who I compared him too, right, Yeah,

1061
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: Malcolm Jenkins, and I think that's a I like the

1062
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: comparison a lot. I think it makes sense. Um, I

1063
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: just compare him because I saw Malcolm Jenkins play at

1064
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 1: Ohio State at corner and now he covers in the slot.

1065
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 1: Now he cover, he covers tight ends. He carries the

1066
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: physical player of a versatile, versatile guy. And I think this.

1067
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: I think this guy could be a versatil player. I

1068
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: agree that's what they're looking for, and they're looking for

1069
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: a versatile guy once again. I'm very good. If they

1070
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: move Byron Jones, they better find somebody back there. It

1071
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: does have a little versatility that could play deep, It

1072
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: could play whatever they have to do. I'm sure that

1073
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: they can find a way to say, okay, even though

1074
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 1: we're gonna play Byron Jones. I wonder if Byron Jones

1075
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: is if they're gonna make this move, is Byron Jones

1076
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: gonna start at right corner? Why would you make this

1077
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: move if he wasn't gonna start? Oh No, I mean

1078
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: that's what I that's the question I have. I think

1079
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: the hope would be that he starts, well, as you

1080
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: gonna start with Lewis, because Lewis is your right corner.

1081
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: I mean, if we're reading Tea leaves here, I don't

1082
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: have a press release that tells me that. No, I

1083
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: know that, I know that. But if Byron Jones, are

1084
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: you moving him to be a backup? If I had

1085
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: to guess, I think they're preferred. Star three would be

1086
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: Byron Cheeto and Jordan Lewis. Lewis and the slot and Scandrick.

1087
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you're so then you're thinking it okay, You're okay,

1088
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 1: and in like Xavier Woods is now, you're just your

1089
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: straight safety and not playing in the slot anymore. That

1090
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: would be the goal. I mean, if he's up to it,

1091
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: then yes, I mean yeah, if if they could, if

1092
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: you could guarantee them that that Xavier Woods is good

1093
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: enough to start, they'd probably be elated. And and Jerry

1094
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,280
Speaker 1: Jones had some nice things to say about Cavan Frasier

1095
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: and Xavier Woods today. But you can't go into a

1096
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 1: season just hoping that that pans out for you, David.

1097
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 1: And then we have just five minutes or so, maybe

1098
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: a little more time than we can. I think that

1099
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 1: we're okay. Talk about with Jerry Jones today though, talk

1100
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: about what you learned on the bus today of this

1101
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: afternoon from the combine I did and stuff all but

1102
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna be on Dallas Cowboys dot com. We talked

1103
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: about Byron moving. I mean, there's there's so much stuff

1104
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: about Dez that you can go read on the website

1105
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 1: if you need more updates on that. Um, the big

1106
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: thing that you know, for the draft show. I just

1107
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: love Tier and Jerry talk about how wide open this

1108
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: thing is. Actually this plays into another Twitter question we

1109
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: got from Paper a guy named Peyton, which will just

1110
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: he said, if you're gonna double dip again in this

1111
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,479
Speaker 1: draft like you did at cornerback last year, where would

1112
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 1: you do it? And to that point, I just thought

1113
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: it was great how Jerry was saying, you know, I

1114
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: don't obviously every team has needs, but I don't think

1115
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have that glaring need that's like, oh my god,

1116
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 1: we absolutely have to address that. I mean, at the

1117
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: end of the day, this is not a bad roster

1118
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, I think they realized that.

1119
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: And Jerry basically said, you know, if if if a

1120
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: cornerback's the best option, we could draft a cornerback. We're

1121
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: we have enough picks and we have a good enough

1122
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 1: roster that we can do things like that to solidify

1123
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: our team, whether that means drafting cornerback best player available. Also,

1124
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: he noted that you can trade compensatory picks. I don't

1125
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys are going to be afraid to move

1126
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 1: around in this draft if they think they need to go.

1127
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: That's good news for fan. You know, Like I said,

1128
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: you know, in recent years you've kind of been able

1129
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: to peg a strategy because like they don't have any

1130
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: pass rushers or they're letting their secondary go. Like they

1131
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: needed to draft defensive backs last year in order to

1132
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: field a team this year not so much. So it's

1133
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: fascinating to think that there's really no direction that I

1134
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: don't think they could go in. Did you even the

1135
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: idea the tender on David Irving? Uh, he said that

1136
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: they're going to talk to that they want David back

1137
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: on the team. But um he he said, they're not

1138
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 1: gonna divulge it at all, which at some point they

1139
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: have to. But uh, they have not revealed which round

1140
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: they want to put on him yet. Okay, letter one

1141
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: or two, let's talk about two. Something that we saw

1142
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: today late in the day was Shaquille Griffin and the

1143
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 1: bench press Shakim Shakim, excuse me, brother, Yeah, Griffin, uh

1144
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: talk about that today. So that was something you know,

1145
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 1: I mean we uh the time use the prosthetic. Yeah,

1146
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: on the bench. It's amazing reps, really impressive. You know,

1147
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: it's it's just as you know, we we can't out

1148
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 1: how much energy energy thinks anything he's doing. It's really

1149
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: he's really impressive person. It's any impressive player and that's

1150
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 1: why you know you fell in love with them. Yeah, yeah,

1151
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: you know what final way to get him on the

1152
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: team and he'll make a contribution, you know, helped our

1153
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: team win a football game. So yeah, eager to see

1154
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: on the morrow and drill see how he does. I'm

1155
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: expecting a big day for him. Yeah. It seems like

1156
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: wherever we go, he's one of the big stories and

1157
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: he deserves it with everything that he's overcome and he

1158
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: continues to play at a high level and compete at

1159
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 1: a high level. Measured in at six zero zero three

1160
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 1: two twenty seven thirty two and an eighth on the

1161
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: arms and nine on the hand. Here's a fun thought

1162
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: for you, Brian Um which unfortunately he's such a he's

1163
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: such a great guy and I by the way, I

1164
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: did one more Repp than Tremaine Edmonds. That's amazing. That's

1165
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: six more rips in Orlando Brown. It's Yeah. I think

1166
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,879
Speaker 1: a lot of teams are gonna feel this way because

1167
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 1: he's such you know, he's such a great guy. Great guy,

1168
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: but hey, good football player too. You always talk about

1169
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: how confidently you can draft when your GM's the owner

1170
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: of the team. Right, He's he's the proverbial right kind

1171
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: of guy. He's got the good enough tape to justify

1172
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: a draft spot. And you're talking about a team that

1173
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: has supreme confidence in its decisions because the general manager

1174
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: owns the teams. Certainly wouldn't. I mean, I can very

1175
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: easily talk myself into the Cowboys falling in love with

1176
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 1: this guy, not you know, not as they're starting Mike,

1177
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: but as they got ten picks. Yeah, well they're not

1178
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: if they're if they're hunting wide receivers and Dames give

1179
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: you the nugget earlier, they're probably hunting linebackers too. They

1180
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: need to be. Yeah, and then tomorrow is which that

1181
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: day for the linebacker? Uh? You know, I really liked

1182
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: that question from Peyton. Yeah, I think I'd probably double

1183
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: up on linebacker in this draft. Um, if you know,

1184
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: if I'm the Boys, I don't what do you think

1185
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: I think if you could find it, Yeah, you're gonna

1186
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: it's when you're when you're double in the compensatory start.

1187
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: That's fourth round, fourth or fourth. They picked twice in

1188
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 1: the fourth and twice in the fifth. Yeah, so maybe

1189
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: maybe you double up in the fourth on those linebackers

1190
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: would be the ideal. Probably not gonna get it, ends

1191
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: on who's there to You know, you could convince me

1192
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 1: to pick a linebacker at nineteen if the right one

1193
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: was there, I would try to pick one with a

1194
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: premium pick, like first, second or third round, and then

1195
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: I would try to find a special team's type. Shakeene Griffin,

1196
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: guy on you know late on Day three, we're gonna

1197
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: get a lot of numbers this week and all that.

1198
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: You can't put a number on what he brings to

1199
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: a locker room. Sure that is something in itself. Jason

1200
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: Garrett's gonna fall in love with that. Yeah, you introduced

1201
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: him to the locker room and it's gonna be a

1202
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: better locker room for it. Now, you don't draft him

1203
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: just because of that, right, or you don't overdraft him.

1204
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: You watching the tape and he's making play. That's what

1205
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: you draft him for. But when you know in the

1206
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: fourth round, when maybe there's some other there's a good

1207
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: wide receiver, you like, there's this, that might be the

1208
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: difference why you take a player like that because of

1209
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 1: what he brings the locker room. The intangibles. Uh, that

1210
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 1: him setting that type of example of playing with that

1211
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: heart and passion that rubs off on the rest of

1212
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: the team and that'll play well in the locker room

1213
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 1: as well. So that's something that we won't have a

1214
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: number four, but is should be heavily considered in the

1215
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: draft process. Guys, as we leave Indianapolis for another year,

1216
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: just uh, kind of give me a thought or two

1217
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: about things you've heard, things you've seen, things you didn't expect,

1218
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: something you did expect. Just something that can kind of

1219
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: just like I say, put a bow on our time

1220
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 1: here this week. As we spent well, we expected, say,

1221
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: Quen Barkley to perform really well, and he did. And

1222
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: the great thing is is we still have plenty more

1223
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: positions to go. We haven't seen the defensive yet, right,

1224
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: no defensive player has tested yet except for the bench

1225
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: press Saturday Monday. For that today. Harrison Phillips forty two

1226
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: in the bench for US, right a Va forty one

1227
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: too ridiculous numbers, great numbers for both, but I'm eager

1228
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: to see fiative. I think he's gonna put on a

1229
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: show some of these corners. Denzel Ward came in basically

1230
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: five eleven, five ten and seven eighths, good length, longer arms,

1231
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: and Josh Jackson, so the size is not a worry

1232
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:20,919
Speaker 1: for me. With Denzel Ward, he came in much bigger

1233
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: than we expected, sure, and I think he's gonna run

1234
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: in the fourth threes. M Dante Jackson LSU he might

1235
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: run in the four twos. So we have plenty of

1236
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: guys who we have plenty of workout warriors so far.

1237
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: We're gonna have more the next two days with a

1238
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: defensive linemen and linebackers and then a defensive back. So

1239
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 1: it's been a fun week doing the offense. Still a

1240
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:44,439
Speaker 1: lot more to go to the defense, David uh even

1241
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 1: even including the year when they were picking fourth overall,

1242
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: I've never I've never been more intrigued by, like all

1243
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: the possibilities that lay in front of this team, and

1244
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: like from from evaluating draft guys, getting a closer look

1245
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: at him here, and then talking to team of I

1246
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: think this is going to be the most interesting spring

1247
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: that we've seen here in a while. And I'm not

1248
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, like, you know, they're gonna sign

1249
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: all these crazy deals and like pull a Giants and

1250
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: go spend two hundred million dollars in free agency. That's

1251
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: not what I'm saying. But there's just stuff this team

1252
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:18,439
Speaker 1: is going to have to do in the next month,

1253
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: whether that's Dez Bryant, whether that's filling some holes in

1254
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 1: free agency. The Zach Martin and DeMarcus Lawrence and David

1255
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: Irving contract situations are all hanging out there and they

1256
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: have to get resolved, probably sooner rather than later. And

1257
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: then you've got ten picks in the draft. And like

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Speaker 1: I said, I mean, yes, every team has holes, but

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Speaker 1: the holes on this team are not as glaring as

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Speaker 1: they have been in the past. So one way or another,

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Speaker 1: I think you can really significantly improve this team by

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Speaker 1: drafting well this year. And so you know, starting when

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Speaker 1: we get back and going until when the draft's over.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, I think it's going to be about

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Speaker 1: as active and interesting at two months as we've had

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Speaker 1: here in the last you know, in the time that

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Speaker 1: I've covered the team, I really think that Jerry Jones said,

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Speaker 1: the Philadelphi Eagles winning the Super super Bowl clearly raised

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Speaker 1: the bar, yeah for this football team, and I think

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Speaker 1: you're going to see a sense of urgency from this team.

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Speaker 1: I think that now. It's all the things that Dave

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Speaker 1: and Dane have said about this team, whether it's the draft,

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Speaker 1: free agency, des Brian stuff. That Philadelphi Eagles winning this

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Speaker 1: championship did. It got a lot of people's attention in

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Speaker 1: that front office. So again, they're gonna have to have

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Speaker 1: an outstanding draft. They're gonna have to make some decisions

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Speaker 1: on free agency, and if they bottom fish on some

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Speaker 1: free agents, they better find a way not to miss

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Speaker 1: on those guys. That's when things the Philadelphi Eagles were

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Speaker 1: very good at last year as they hit on some

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Speaker 1: of those guys, and the Cowboys can't afford to miss

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Speaker 1: got some dead money in that category right now, and

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Speaker 1: they don't need to have any of that anymore. So

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Speaker 1: it should be an interesting season. As as we head along,

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Speaker 1: we're running out of days, we're getting close to the draft.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for everybody hanging out with us. While we're here

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Speaker 1: in Indie Naples. Thanks for all the questions the tweets,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for hanging out on Periscope. Everything you do for us.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back next week at our SWBC Mortgage studios

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Speaker 1: from more of the Draft Show. See you guys, Stay tuned.

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