Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your
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Speaker 1: Draft Show, just forty two days away, a Bury Church
Speaker 1: number away from the Dallas Cowboys and the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one NFL Draft. We've got plenty to break down as
Speaker 1: we've got potential scenarios, first, second, third round, We've got
Speaker 1: plenty of prospects that we're gonna get to and then
Speaker 1: also some pro days that we're gonna hit in this
Speaker 1: episode of the Draft Show. Glad you're with us on
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com in the various streaming platform Jeff Kavanaugh,
Speaker 1: Kevin Kate t turning Rock in the Mean Green this
Speaker 1: afternoon or I guess this morning rather as North Texas
Speaker 1: of course playing in March Madness starting tomorrow against Purdue,
Speaker 1: and then Dame Brugler, who's a lot closer to March
Speaker 1: Madness than we are up in Ohio. He's a little
Speaker 1: bit closer to the Indiana madness. But gentlemen, it's been
Speaker 1: a crazy week already with free agency, some new players
Speaker 1: coming in for the Cowboys, a little bit of depth
Speaker 1: at it, and then of course some starters that have
Speaker 1: thus walked on and gone elsewhere. But Katie, I know
Speaker 1: you're very adamant on Twitter that this is not the
Speaker 1: free agency show. This is the draft show. I've seen
Speaker 1: that reply a couple times for you over the last
Speaker 1: twenty four hours or so. But doesn't free agency directly
Speaker 1: correlate with the draft? No, No, it totally does. I
Speaker 1: just like when I put out the tweet for everyone
Speaker 1: to ask their questions to you for Twitter on the
Speaker 1: twenties so I don't have to look at it and
Speaker 1: you can handle and filter the questions. When people and
Speaker 1: asking questions about free agency, I'm like, hey, ask questions
Speaker 1: about the draft the free agency questions. You can do,
Speaker 1: and I'm want to do that on talking Cowboys or something.
Speaker 1: But it does correlate, like, for instance, with the Cowboys
Speaker 1: picking at ten. I found it to be quite interesting
Speaker 1: that the Broncos signed Ronald Darby a cornerback. Does that
Speaker 1: mean that the Broncos would not take a cornerback at nine.
Speaker 1: Absolutely not, but it might mean they don't feel that
Speaker 1: urgency to take a cornerback at nine. I thought the
Speaker 1: Panthers getting Hassan Reddick was very interesting because maybe they're
Speaker 1: toying around at the notion of maybe we trade pick
Speaker 1: eight and maybe we could throw Brian Burns into it
Speaker 1: for maybe a Deshaun Watson package. You know, just at
Speaker 1: things like that is what I was kind of thinking
Speaker 1: of in terms of what the Cowboys have done. We know,
Speaker 1: with Cheeto gone, Jordan Lewis stays, you still have Anthony Brown.
Speaker 1: You might you might say cornerback is not as gent
Speaker 1: as maybe it was if you had lost George Lewis too,
Speaker 1: but you still gotta upgrade at that position. So I
Speaker 1: don't think it changes. I don't think it changed much
Speaker 1: of anything, to be honestly, Jeff, do you think it
Speaker 1: changes anything from a Cowboys standpoint? The fact of the
Speaker 1: players that had gone and then those that have stayed.
Speaker 1: I don't think it changes much, only because I think
Speaker 1: cornerback is still a really big position of need. I
Speaker 1: think it was this is something that you should have
Speaker 1: known was going to happen as a Cowboy fan, whether
Speaker 1: it was gonna be Jordan Lewis or whether it was
Speaker 1: going to be somebody else. In free agency, they weren't
Speaker 1: going to go into an NFL draft butt naked. They
Speaker 1: weren't going to go in there with two with two
Speaker 1: NFL starting caliber ish corners on the entire roster. So
Speaker 1: you know, Jordan Lewis is probably a slot guy. I
Speaker 1: wonder if they'll look at him at safety. Probably not,
Speaker 1: but let me just throw it out just in case. Ye,
Speaker 1: But yeah, you weren't going to go into a draft
Speaker 1: with that big of a blinking light of need at
Speaker 1: a position. They were going to sign somebody, and they did.
Speaker 1: So now you, in theory, could go play on Sunday
Speaker 1: because you would have Jordan Lewis and the Slott Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown out wide, Trevant Diggs out wide, and you could play.
Speaker 1: And that's the goal to get ready for the draft,
Speaker 1: is to sign the free agency that make it so
Speaker 1: that if you had to, you could go play. So
Speaker 1: now I can be closer to best player available to
Speaker 1: get the best value possible in the draft. Free agencies
Speaker 1: about need. The draft is about value. Let's go find
Speaker 1: the value Dane. Have there been any other moves around
Speaker 1: the NFL that could potentially shake kind of like what
Speaker 1: Kate was talking about, what the Cowboys are going to
Speaker 1: do in the draft, whether it's because they acquired a
Speaker 1: certain player or they did something specific in free agency. No,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I mean, I do appreciate Katie's
Speaker 1: imagination with each one of these deals because you know,
Speaker 1: obviously it's you know, it's ripple effect whatever. When one
Speaker 1: thing happens, it affects other moves and potentially on draft day.
Speaker 1: So uh, you know, it is interesting to go down
Speaker 1: that that rabbit hole. But I do agree with Jeff
Speaker 1: that you know, this is the free agency is about
Speaker 1: filling needs so you can go out and play tomorrow,
Speaker 1: and it's more about rounding out your roster. So on
Speaker 1: draft day, you know you can take the best players.
Speaker 1: You can stick to your board and you're not reaching
Speaker 1: for need and targeting a specific position and forcing things
Speaker 1: and so you know, and we're just looking at you know,
Speaker 1: we still have a lot, a lot to happen in
Speaker 1: free agency. You know, we saw that first wave and
Speaker 1: then there's a little bit of a lull, and then
Speaker 1: I think there's going to be, you know, slowly but
Speaker 1: surely picked back up a little bit, especially with some
Speaker 1: of these markets like the receiver market, taffle market. But
Speaker 1: you know, for the most part, I don't think anything
Speaker 1: happened in free agency thus far that will necessarily alter
Speaker 1: what we thought about how the Cowboys are going to
Speaker 1: attack the draft here in a month and a half.
Speaker 1: Well good, So we don't necessarily have to pivot on
Speaker 1: a whole lot. We can just kind of continue on
Speaker 1: with what we were talking about prior to this week,
Speaker 1: which is something that I know some people were worried about,
Speaker 1: but I think it's exactly what we expected overall. Like
Speaker 1: Jeff said, if you're a Cowboys fan, you knew you're
Speaker 1: probably gonna lose a corner keep a corner, depending on
Speaker 1: which one it was. And Cheeto signed with the Cincinnati
Speaker 1: Bengals within about five hours of the opening of free agency,
Speaker 1: so of course it was then Jordan Lewis was the
Speaker 1: next man up. It seemed like from the corner position,
Speaker 1: and really, in my mind, I think it was probably
Speaker 1: the better corner to keep because of the money, but
Speaker 1: it was something that the Cowboys needed to get done.
Speaker 1: Now there have been a lot of pro days that
Speaker 1: have been going on over the last couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: simultaneous with the free agency market and with kind of
Speaker 1: the roster acquisitions. There's the continuation of this draft process.
Speaker 1: No NFL combine this year. That's been duly noted over
Speaker 1: the last couple of draft shows as well. But these
Speaker 1: pro days are actually happening, and there's things that are
Speaker 1: official and unofficial, and of course you got to take
Speaker 1: everything with a grain of salt, Dane. But before we
Speaker 1: go into the specific pro days, what has been your
Speaker 1: overall thought of the pro day only process that we've
Speaker 1: really seen for the first time here in twenty twenty one. Well,
Speaker 1: obviously it's not ideal not having the combine, but you know,
Speaker 1: I'm glad we have something. And you know, the pro
Speaker 1: day circuit is interesting because obviously we're dealing with on
Speaker 1: campus workouts. So we're talking about different venues, different tracks.
Speaker 1: You know, some of these are inside, some of them
Speaker 1: are outside, and you know, so just totally different environments.
Speaker 1: And you know, they structured it so they made it
Speaker 1: as easy as possible for uh, you know, scouts to
Speaker 1: hot from pro day to pro day, hitting multiple pro
Speaker 1: days in one day. Uh, you know, yesterday Illinois had
Speaker 1: their pro Day in the morning. They scheduled Illinois State
Speaker 1: Pro Day for the afternoon so those guys can just
Speaker 1: zip over. And you know, they tried to make it
Speaker 1: as scout friendly as possible. And you know, as we
Speaker 1: get these results coming in, some of them are you know, surprising, Um,
Speaker 1: some of them are more expected. But you know, as always,
Speaker 1: it's just it's good to have the data because we're
Speaker 1: missing that from the combine. And so I'm just you know,
Speaker 1: even if the pro day data isn't you know all
Speaker 1: it's not perfect in terms of how it's gathered, and
Speaker 1: you know, the is there a degree of you know,
Speaker 1: could could have an error here or there could be
Speaker 1: offwasher on the CRODA. No. I mean, like I said before,
Speaker 1: we're talking about fast tracks, slow tracks inside outside, you know,
Speaker 1: like it's it's tough, um. You know, it's some of
Speaker 1: these guys that are running in tougher situations. So you know,
Speaker 1: and as scouts, you know, you're you're taught to maybe
Speaker 1: aut a tenth of a second here or there, depending
Speaker 1: on the track, and so there's a lot it's a
Speaker 1: it's a more of a formula when you're trying to
Speaker 1: boil down these times and the data, but nonetheless it
Speaker 1: it's better than not having any data at all. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a We're gonna take Creed Humphries four
Speaker 1: four six that he ran on the twenty yard shuttle,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna we're gonna add a tenth of a second.
Speaker 1: There is that what you're saying there, Dane, if it's
Speaker 1: a little too fast, because that would have tied as
Speaker 1: were Cleveland for the fastest of last year's combine. So
Speaker 1: I mean, there's been numbers that have still stuck out,
Speaker 1: but you're saying that once again, you got to take
Speaker 1: it with a grain of salt. And I didn't really
Speaker 1: realize this until you said it a moment ago. But
Speaker 1: there's a system to it. Oh yeah, definitely. And I
Speaker 1: mean I wouldn't say take with a grain assault what's
Speaker 1: reported out there as the drills are happening, because people
Speaker 1: are doing it with their phones. They're you know, like
Speaker 1: it's just wait for you know, later on that day
Speaker 1: when the quote unquote official times, because honestly, the official
Speaker 1: Times is whatever the NFL teams are using. Okay, So
Speaker 1: even if it's off by a little bit, it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter because if that's what NFL teams are going by,
Speaker 1: that's good enough for me to call it officials. So
Speaker 1: Creed Humphrey, for example, the official short shuttle for him,
Speaker 1: this is what NFL teams have is four four nine,
Speaker 1: So that far off, you know, pretty close to what
Speaker 1: he ran. So um, but hey, that's another reason to
Speaker 1: get the Beast because all the official times that NFL
Speaker 1: teams will be using will be in there for every
Speaker 1: single player. Look, so if you don't, if you don't
Speaker 1: get the Beast, just watch me on YouTube, and I
Speaker 1: do it in my head. I watched Eric Stokes run
Speaker 1: is forty and I got I got three seven, I
Speaker 1: got three seven eight, So I just fund three one thousand. Well, no,
Speaker 1: because I watched Henry Ruggs and Jayalen Wattle race on
Speaker 1: the internet and I got that at three point two.
Speaker 1: So that's the record. They both ran a three two
Speaker 1: just one one thousand's fair two one thousands. And as
Speaker 1: long as I count at the same speed every time,
Speaker 1: I think I'm in good shape. It's the capital class,
Speaker 1: all right, friends, stance when it goes to U. But yeah,
Speaker 1: like I remember Autostow like talking about how some some
Speaker 1: fields are like uphill and downhill. Like he's like got
Speaker 1: this little little pieces up before like where it's not
Speaker 1: the flat land. But like Dan makes a good point,
Speaker 1: like it doesn't hurt to like wait a couple hours,
Speaker 1: like for instance, I will and this is just me.
Speaker 1: This is no offense to anyone who's out there covering
Speaker 1: this stuff. But like I'll trust uh Senior Bowl director
Speaker 1: Jim Naggy's time with a stop watch over. You know
Speaker 1: a guy named Steve on Twitter who just put something
Speaker 1: out whoa, whoa. If Steve is a good dude, Well
Speaker 1: Steve just puts it out there real quick, and you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: well let's get there, let's get I'll trust the guy
Speaker 1: who you know runs the Senior Bowl, like and he's
Speaker 1: got time life. For instance, he had the times for
Speaker 1: Eric Stokes. But this is what's kind of like also,
Speaker 1: we like to overrate all these times sometimes too. We
Speaker 1: know Eric Stokes is fast. If Eric Stokes runs a
Speaker 1: four two five versus four three two, what does it
Speaker 1: matter to me? It comes it twice, don't count it twice.
Speaker 1: So this goes back to a joke I've issued on
Speaker 1: this show before. But there's a reason Jeff and Day
Speaker 1: entitled their old podcast trust the Tape. That's that, Trust
Speaker 1: the Pro Day. Trust the Pro Day did that? Well?
Speaker 1: I don't, but trust the Pro Day you can admit
Speaker 1: would have gotten terrible ratings. Oh yeah, hard to say,
Speaker 1: really hard to say. Well, Georgia, it's weird because did
Speaker 1: Georgia have half their guys run downhill and have them
Speaker 1: run uphill? Because safety Richard LeCount running a four eggs
Speaker 1: probably not good? Yeah, that was real bad. Yeah the
Speaker 1: official was a little bit better than that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: he did not have the best workout. But who did
Speaker 1: who had a pretty good workout? Several players of the
Speaker 1: Texas Pro Day. Uh Sam caused me just ridiculous. Came
Speaker 1: in at six six three fifteen thirty three in arms,
Speaker 1: so just good enough in terms of the arm length.
Speaker 1: But he ran a four eight five with a one
Speaker 1: six eight ten yards split, which is just unbelievable for
Speaker 1: that for that size. So he was moving. He helped himself. Um.
Speaker 1: Joseph Osai I thought ran well at two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty six pounds. He ran a four to six two.
Speaker 1: But one thing with Osai is it's you always take
Speaker 1: notice when a guy Alex not to run or to
Speaker 1: perform a certain drill, and Joseph Osai, who's not the
Speaker 1: most bendy guy, chose not to run the three cone
Speaker 1: or the shuttles. And that's if you know, if you're
Speaker 1: an a valuator, that's a red flag. You know that
Speaker 1: that sticks out like a store firm. Isn't that better?
Speaker 1: Because like what I when I saw the Richard LeCount
Speaker 1: forty time, Like, if I'm his agent, I'm telling him, Hey,
Speaker 1: we're just gonna let people assume you run a four
Speaker 1: to six five like we're not running. If I know
Speaker 1: I'm gonna run a four eight, if I know I'm
Speaker 1: gonna put up a bad three cone time, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have a meeting with my agent be like, hey, what
Speaker 1: our NFL team's gonna assume I would run if I
Speaker 1: don't do this? And am I actually gonna run worse
Speaker 1: than that? We ain't running. But if you students need
Speaker 1: to not work out, if you and I get that,
Speaker 1: but if you choose not to run, then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you know, okay, we thought Joseph saw was
Speaker 1: going to run a seven two three cone, but then
Speaker 1: he chose not to run it's like, oh, well, maybe
Speaker 1: it's even worse than that. Maybe it was seven three. Maybe,
Speaker 1: you know, like your mind as an evaluator starts to
Speaker 1: really think, Okay, well maybe maybe it was so bad
Speaker 1: during testing because obviously they you know, he got three
Speaker 1: cone time during his training. Maybe it was just that
Speaker 1: it wasn't even an average, it was well below average.
Speaker 1: And so it's something that definitely stands out and instead
Speaker 1: of putting a number to it, it's gonna leave evaluators
Speaker 1: to the their imagination to come up with a number.
Speaker 1: So just it's it's it's something worth noting and paying
Speaker 1: attention to for sure. I just think like if Orlando
Speaker 1: Brown didn't work out at the combine and didn't run,
Speaker 1: I think he would have made millions more dollars. Like
Speaker 1: his his workout was so bad that I was like, man,
Speaker 1: just let teams imagination be as bad as they want,
Speaker 1: because it wouldn't be that bad. Well, yeah, and he's
Speaker 1: he's the extreme case because his his numbers were historically bad.
Speaker 1: So yeah, he's definitely an extreme case. But that and
Speaker 1: that's why with the like an Osai, because he didn't
Speaker 1: do the three cone, does that tell me that his
Speaker 1: three cone times during training weren't even average, you know,
Speaker 1: were they well below average? And so but it you know,
Speaker 1: evaluators gonna be kept guessing. Now, is that gonna push
Speaker 1: him down draft boards? No, I highly doubt it. Teams
Speaker 1: already knew he was a little stiff through the hips. Um.
Speaker 1: But it's just it's one of those things that it's
Speaker 1: it's part of it becomes part of his evaluation. Well,
Speaker 1: can I throw in one more thing too? And I
Speaker 1: know we're like just bounced to the Texas about I
Speaker 1: want to go back to Georgia real quick with Richard
Speaker 1: LeCount whose numbers were not great. Um. And but you
Speaker 1: know he's got questions too because he had the motorbike
Speaker 1: at to that, you know, in his senior year. But
Speaker 1: he's got you know, a career, uh, some interceptions, you know,
Speaker 1: ball skills, things like that. But I had written down
Speaker 1: in my notes kind of slow and a little undersized.
Speaker 1: So like I saw his numbers and I know the
Speaker 1: official numbers come out later, and I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: really not surprised, But is there pressure to run when
Speaker 1: Tyson Campbell's running, or Eric Stokes is running or Monnie
Speaker 1: Rice is running? Like, hey, all these guys are running.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get measured anyway. They're gonna know how, they're
Speaker 1: gonna know. I'm a little shorty, though he's got decent
Speaker 1: lengked with his long arms. I just kind of like,
Speaker 1: that's kind of what I think, Richard account is. I
Speaker 1: kind of had got a little confirmed of what I
Speaker 1: thought about LeCount at least after seeing his time yesterday. Well,
Speaker 1: and then on the flip side, with a guy like LeCount,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be some teams that look at that and say, oh,
Speaker 1: a four eight, all right, now, we might be able
Speaker 1: to give him in sixth round. Now, you know, like
Speaker 1: they're they're doing a little fist pump when they see
Speaker 1: that number because instead of being a fourth or fifth rounder,
Speaker 1: which you know, I think that's what most teams thought
Speaker 1: he would be, you know, mid season before that injury. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, now maybe he could be in a later rounds.
Speaker 1: Obviously the medicals would be a big part of that. Dan,
Speaker 1: what do you what did you think about him previous
Speaker 1: to the injury, Because I know you've kept up with
Speaker 1: him pretty much the last couple of years, But previous
Speaker 1: to the injury, was he a different player than he
Speaker 1: was after that motorcycle accident. Well we didn't. We didn't
Speaker 1: really see him after tra accident unfortunately, um he. But
Speaker 1: I tell you we did see him for one play,
Speaker 1: um he, which wells it was the final player of
Speaker 1: the ball game. It's which it was kind of like
Speaker 1: the Landed Dickerson situation, you know, where they just put
Speaker 1: him out there so he could finish his career right,
Speaker 1: which speaks a lot to his you know character and
Speaker 1: you know the way they think of him in that program. Um,
Speaker 1: I like LeCount to be honest with you, I think
Speaker 1: he plays faster than whatever he was gonna run. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, he's his pursuit range is outstanding. He could
Speaker 1: play both sidelines. He plays fearless. Um. So you know,
Speaker 1: I think you have to live with the inconsistencies that
Speaker 1: he has. But still, you know, he reminds me a
Speaker 1: little bit about what of his uh Marquise Blair coming
Speaker 1: out of Utah a few years ago. Wow, uh kind
Speaker 1: of can do it, can do a little bit of
Speaker 1: everything as a nickel. Um you know, he's I think
Speaker 1: he's an undersized version of a Marquise Blair. So I
Speaker 1: do like him. I like that a lot. Any other
Speaker 1: Pro Day's Katie, that kind of stuck out to you,
Speaker 1: and that numbers jump off the page at least from
Speaker 1: either in a positive way or a negative way. Well,
Speaker 1: I can tell you that nothing that happened at the
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Pro Day is gonna make me change about how
Speaker 1: I feel about any of these guys coming from Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: I think all these guys at Pittsburgh, and some of
Speaker 1: them have like some some traits that are very interesting.
Speaker 1: But after watching them, pretty much every evaluation I had
Speaker 1: on the Pittsburgh guys, I was kind of like a yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, okay, Weaver's okay, uh is that that sound?
Speaker 1: Does that? If that sound means that sound means okay?
Speaker 1: You know you know, no, I'll let someone else have him.
Speaker 1: You know that whole thing Like Patrick Jones, you sit
Speaker 1: there and go, okay, great good explosion off the ball, okay,
Speaker 1: and then that's it. That's that's about it. There. I
Speaker 1: thought Paris Ford's tape the safety was terrible. Um. And
Speaker 1: you know, Twyman is very interesting, you know, two hundred
Speaker 1: and ninety pounds, um. But I still kind of just
Speaker 1: on taping like I don't know, if you know. And
Speaker 1: again like I'm talking about one hundred top one hundred prospects.
Speaker 1: These gonna be guys you you would taken on round three,
Speaker 1: you know. And I don't think I feel that way
Speaker 1: about any of those guys. The guy I kind of
Speaker 1: liked from them and it's not it's not like in love,
Speaker 1: but like we're looking for safeties, right. I do like
Speaker 1: Damar Hamlin a little bit. I've got a fourth round
Speaker 1: grade on him, but you know, I don't know if
Speaker 1: he holds up as a free safety. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he moves well enough. So again, that was looking
Speaker 1: for a little more clarity from those Pittsburgh guys, and
Speaker 1: I just I don't think you see that with them.
Speaker 1: Those Pittsburgh guys. Which is interesting is Twinan and Twinman
Speaker 1: didn't play this year. He opted out, Paris four opted
Speaker 1: out mid season. So we're talking about two guys that
Speaker 1: opted out and still ran those below average times. That's
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's saying something when you have all
Speaker 1: this time to train and get ready and you still
Speaker 1: turn in those times. I mean, it's just another you know,
Speaker 1: dynamic to this draft process. Okay, Can I throw on
Speaker 1: a quick question though, because there's one guy from them
Speaker 1: I haven't seen. He allegedly ran under a four or
Speaker 1: five forty four four seven forty was Jason Pinnock, the cornerback.
Speaker 1: And he's the guy that I didn't like focus in
Speaker 1: on room watching them. Yeah, and I need to go
Speaker 1: go see him again. What are your thoughts on him? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he's a I don't know that he's draftable.
Speaker 1: I think he's more of a late round guy, p
Speaker 1: F A M. He did put in turn in some
Speaker 1: good times and decent size, you know, not the biggest guys.
Speaker 1: I think he came in what five ten and a half,
Speaker 1: I believe, But you know he you know, his dad
Speaker 1: played college football, He played at a high level. He
Speaker 1: consistency was an issue for him, and I think that's
Speaker 1: the biggest reason why he's not a lock draft pick.
Speaker 1: But I thought the times that he turned in yesterday
Speaker 1: a certainly help. Do you think guys like that Dane
Speaker 1: have a better chance of getting drafted this year or
Speaker 1: a lesser chance of getting drafted? And my point being
Speaker 1: just the fact that they do run and the fact
Speaker 1: that there is no combine and they are still going
Speaker 1: out there. They're competing, they're putting their times out there,
Speaker 1: whereas in the past you would have multiple chances for
Speaker 1: a good handful of prospects to put their times out there.
Speaker 1: Do you think those guys that are bubble draftable dudes
Speaker 1: that could potentially up their value just by running and
Speaker 1: putting out a decent time. I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: something that is interesting about this class is um watching
Speaker 1: who who's a combined invite who's not a combine invite?
Speaker 1: Because the combine invites, we know we're gonna get those medicals, okay,
Speaker 1: And so the guys that are on the bubble but
Speaker 1: are combine invites, they've got a much better chance of
Speaker 1: getting drafted because at least teams will have some clarity
Speaker 1: on what's you know, what's going on with them from
Speaker 1: a medical perspective. But some of these other guys, it's
Speaker 1: they're gonna it's it's gonna be a lot tougher to
Speaker 1: get medicals that they can trust because you know, they're,
Speaker 1: you know, gonna get all these different information from the
Speaker 1: agents and from random doctors, and teams aren't going to
Speaker 1: know what to trust. So I think it's fair to
Speaker 1: say we're gonna have probably a record low uh not
Speaker 1: in combine guys get drafted this year. Um, and you
Speaker 1: know part of that is, you know, character wise, not
Speaker 1: being able to learn more about these guys in person,
Speaker 1: the lack of medicals, m but you know, the putting
Speaker 1: up good times will help. But it's just gonna be
Speaker 1: a tough They're they're behind the eight ball as they
Speaker 1: go through the process because of you know, not having
Speaker 1: not be getting an invite to the Combine, to not
Speaker 1: being able to be you know, an official visit, not
Speaker 1: being able to meet with these teams. It's going to
Speaker 1: make it tough. It will make it tough, and I
Speaker 1: think scouting departments in front offices are having a tougher
Speaker 1: job than ever before trying to compile all of these
Speaker 1: different numbers and all this information. We'll continue talking about
Speaker 1: pro days here in the weeks to come, but when
Speaker 1: we come back here on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com
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Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Back here on the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, We've got Dane Brugler, Jeff Kavanaugh,
Speaker 1: Kevin kat Turner on y'allmen's time. Now for some Twitter
Speaker 1: on the twenty on the twittery Chris Beam as always
Speaker 1: punching the buttons in the bank and doing a fantastic job.
Speaker 1: And I've got a lot of good questions coming in today,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna start with one from Cowboys Coffee Talk,
Speaker 1: and i want to talk safety with you. Guys for
Speaker 1: just a moment said Hey, Kyle safety with the highest
Speaker 1: ceiling Morigg Holland, Grant Cisco, and he says, my apologies
Speaker 1: to Jeff for leaving out his tiny safety aka dar
Speaker 1: Darius Washington from TCU. So, Jeff, I'm gonna let you
Speaker 1: answer this question first without Washington being the name that
Speaker 1: you say. But what we're out of those four mo
Speaker 1: Rigg Holland, Grant Cisco. So the tough part here is
Speaker 1: the two guys that I don't really like out of
Speaker 1: that group. I can't acknowledge that there is a potential
Speaker 1: for a big hit there, like Andre Cisco. Have they
Speaker 1: had their pro day yet? I haven't seen the numbers,
Speaker 1: but I'm told that he's going to be a really
Speaker 1: good athlete and he's got a ton of forced turnovers.
Speaker 1: But I don't trust andre Cisco like I wouldn't take
Speaker 1: him in the first three rounds of a draft. He
Speaker 1: gives up more big plays than any safety I have
Speaker 1: ever watched. So and then Javan Holland. I like the
Speaker 1: ball production, I like the way that he diagnoses what's happening.
Speaker 1: I just don't know if he's athletic enough to play
Speaker 1: corner I don't know if he's physical enough to play safety,
Speaker 1: so I'm kind of scared of him, and so I'm
Speaker 1: going to narrow it down to the two guys that
Speaker 1: I really like, and gosh, it's a tough question because
Speaker 1: Richie Grant I have tape of him playing a good
Speaker 1: amount of single high safety and showing the sideline to
Speaker 1: sideline range. And Merrick played at TCU where they basically
Speaker 1: ran a split safety system where they both were deep
Speaker 1: have sometimes you're down, sometimes you're up. But Merrick probably
Speaker 1: has a blend of the physical tools that gives you
Speaker 1: a higher ceiling, and that's I think that's why he's
Speaker 1: projected to go so high, because I think on tape
Speaker 1: he's my third or fourth favorite safety. So Dan, you
Speaker 1: tell me with marriage, is it the blend of prototypical
Speaker 1: size and you think that he's going to test well
Speaker 1: and he could be good at every aspect that makes
Speaker 1: him the number one safety? Yeah, I think that's fair.
Speaker 1: I mean, I personally, I like Richie Grant is my
Speaker 1: top safety. But if we're talking highest upside, if that's
Speaker 1: the question is which one has the highest upside, then yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you can make an easy case for Marek
Speaker 1: because of the range, because the ball skills. You know,
Speaker 1: he's he was a corner and wide receiver in high school,
Speaker 1: and so you know, you still think he's going to
Speaker 1: get better at safety in terms of recognition, in terms
Speaker 1: of his steps. So yeah, I think in terms of
Speaker 1: overall upside, Merrig probably the easy answer there. But as
Speaker 1: a just player in prospect, I give Richie Grant the
Speaker 1: edge just because I feel a little bit better about
Speaker 1: who he is. He's gonna be for me. You mean,
Speaker 1: he's a little bit older than you want. He's gonna
Speaker 1: be a twenty four year old rookie. But uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I just I'm a big Richie Grant fan and and
Speaker 1: think that his game translates really well. I like Grant
Speaker 1: more than Merrick. But but because you guys both answered
Speaker 1: with those players, can I throw out a wild card
Speaker 1: a guy that's not even on there, even though even
Speaker 1: though we haven't exactly seen him play safety. What about
Speaker 1: Sean Wade? Everyone's forgotten about it. Molden's a power yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's a corner, right, I would say for now,
Speaker 1: I think which cut the corner? I think? But Sean,
Speaker 1: I mean, Sean Wade just just for having fun here.
Speaker 1: You know, let's what if he what if he all
Speaker 1: of a sudden is drafted, and let's say he's drafted
Speaker 1: the sixth round, which is could happen um And let's
Speaker 1: say all of a sudden he plays and he's incredible.
Speaker 1: I mean, the ceilings there, we've seen him play really well,
Speaker 1: like of a year of really excellent tape now playing inside,
Speaker 1: and then a year of really bad take playing outside.
Speaker 1: It's just throwing that out there. That's wouldn't be what
Speaker 1: my answer is. But I'm just wanting to be different
Speaker 1: than what you guys did because I'm kind of trying
Speaker 1: to come here from a centrist point of view. Yeah
Speaker 1: it was they also thought I go early. We'd be
Speaker 1: willing to bet on that day three. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: I don't know. He's such an enigma because if what
Speaker 1: you saw this past year was a guy playing half
Speaker 1: speed who just looked like a fish out of water outside.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean based off his two has a
Speaker 1: nineteen tape when he was inside, he played a lot better.
Speaker 1: He's a physical tackler. But you know, I still wonder
Speaker 1: if he has the traits, especially above the neck, needed
Speaker 1: to really thrive there. I don't know he is. He
Speaker 1: is one of the toughest players in this draft to
Speaker 1: figure out, no question. Yeah, he was one of those
Speaker 1: guys that, at least last year you're talking about moving
Speaker 1: him to safety and the potential of him moving to safety.
Speaker 1: Last year, they thought it was a good idea to
Speaker 1: move him from a slot corner to an outside corner,
Speaker 1: and that didn't really work very well. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe his versatility just isn't what it appears to be,
Speaker 1: or maybe that was just because he wasn't a good
Speaker 1: fit at the corner spot. I think that's more likely,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. Maybe he just isn't as versatile
Speaker 1: overall as a player. Now, going on to this question
Speaker 1: from Justin on Twitter, this is an interesting question. I
Speaker 1: don't see this a lot from Cowboys fans, but he
Speaker 1: said who are some of the possible mid round tight
Speaker 1: ends to keep an eye on, saying that he wants
Speaker 1: the passing game to be quote unquote awesome in this offense?
Speaker 1: Can the Cowboys pass on the position With Dalton Schultz
Speaker 1: emergence and Blake Jarwin as a perpetual potential guy. Katie,
Speaker 1: You're excited to answer this question. I like this question.
Speaker 1: I think tight ends are very fun to watch. A
Speaker 1: little bit of blocking, a little bit of catching. I
Speaker 1: really enjoy value tight ends. Give me Tommy Trimble from
Speaker 1: Notre Dame all day long. And you know, maybe you
Speaker 1: know when you say mid round, obviously you don't want
Speaker 1: the Cowboys this year unless it's Kyle Pitts spending a
Speaker 1: premium pick on a tight end. But and Tommy Trimble
Speaker 1: probably goes. You know, Tommy Trimble probably doesn't make it
Speaker 1: today three, but he might. And yeah, so it's kind
Speaker 1: of a guy like I Also, I like Yaboa from
Speaker 1: Old Miss, and I know that he's a little he's
Speaker 1: kind of an odd player, just like he's six to four,
Speaker 1: about two fifty and he was at Temple for a
Speaker 1: long time before going to Old Miss. But you know,
Speaker 1: there's there's some plays that he made on tape, especially
Speaker 1: one was in the Alabama game. It was very interesting.
Speaker 1: I think he's got pretty good ball adjustment skills, like
Speaker 1: he showed that he can make catches away from his
Speaker 1: body and things like that. And uh, and I don't
Speaker 1: know if he's like an explosive guy. And lord knows,
Speaker 1: this team probably doesn't need that lay right now. But no,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's like a top nuch route runner
Speaker 1: or anything. But I think he's a very interesting player
Speaker 1: with pretty good size and kind of a mismatch type
Speaker 1: of guy. I feel like it feels like Carolina is
Speaker 1: a pretty good landing spot for him given his history
Speaker 1: at Temple. But that's a Kennyyboa from Old miss is
Speaker 1: a guy I like in the mid rounds at tight end. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not bad. I mean this is an interesting tight
Speaker 1: end class because it's kind of like there's the big
Speaker 1: time guys and then there's no middle class, and then
Speaker 1: there's a lot of intriguing late round guys like Kyle
Speaker 1: Pitts is obviously at the top, and then on day
Speaker 1: two you've got Friar Muth and Brevin Jordan, Tommy Trumbull,
Speaker 1: Hunter Long. So those five guys are at the top.
Speaker 1: I think all are going to top one hundred. Brevin
Speaker 1: Jordan's I think would be the one for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: That would be really interesting. I like that fit a
Speaker 1: lot what he can add to this offense. Now, again,
Speaker 1: you have to give him a third round. They get
Speaker 1: a draft a third round tight end. I doubt it,
Speaker 1: but you know who knows. Um. But like I said,
Speaker 1: I don't really I don't really think there's a mid
Speaker 1: a mid round tight end market this year. Like you're
Speaker 1: looking at uh, you know your Boa McKitty, Um, you know,
Speaker 1: guys like that. I don't. I'd rather have them fifth, sixth,
Speaker 1: seventh rounds. So I don't. I actually don't even have
Speaker 1: a tight end graded as a fourth round pick. Um.
Speaker 1: And then in like between rounds five and seven, I've
Speaker 1: got like eight of them, you know, like just really
Speaker 1: intriguing guys. Uh, you know, like Pro Wells from TCU, uh,
Speaker 1: Briley Moore, Kansas State. Um, you know there's a group
Speaker 1: of these guys that are intriguing and that offers something
Speaker 1: that you know, at least are worthy of draft conversation.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's just I don't think it's a
Speaker 1: great year for the for a mid round tight end.
Speaker 1: Kyle Pits, that's all you want to say, Pits. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're not picking cow Pits, I don't want to
Speaker 1: tight I got two tight ends. I'm fine. But if
Speaker 1: you want to pick caps, pick Calpits, I'd be cool.
Speaker 1: I'll bring the bell Dozer back as a tight end
Speaker 1: three I'm gad to go. I think I'm right there
Speaker 1: with you. I don't know if I'm really interested because
Speaker 1: of those two guys, because of, at least at the moment,
Speaker 1: the kind of discount that you would potentially be getting
Speaker 1: those two on, and as starting caliber tight ends. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're not picking a big time guy, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I would necessarily even ways to pick on
Speaker 1: that at this point, but those are intriguing guys. I
Speaker 1: like Tremble a lot actually as a player. I just
Speaker 1: don't necessarily know if the Cowboys need to spend a
Speaker 1: pick there, I'd rather spend that on a on a
Speaker 1: third round corner or a third round safety. I think
Speaker 1: that would just be a better use of it. Now,
Speaker 1: this is another question that kind of perked up my
Speaker 1: eyebrows a little bit, just because I haven't seen this before.
Speaker 1: But Michael Will ask on Twitter, could you guys see
Speaker 1: a scenario and this is gonna make Jeff Cabitall mister
Speaker 1: captain trade down either extremely happy or not so happy
Speaker 1: at all. I don't really know yet. Could you see
Speaker 1: a scenario where it would make sense for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: to trade completely out of the first round stack. Plenty
Speaker 1: of more premium picks for twenty twenty two, where there's
Speaker 1: a more interesting draft class coming up than using this
Speaker 1: draft to fill more of the gaps expected next year. Jeff,
Speaker 1: do you like that as captain trade doown? Or if
Speaker 1: you're captain trade doown, do you have a cap on
Speaker 1: how far you old fall? No, because let me tell
Speaker 1: you a secret about captain trade down. Okay, Captain trade
Speaker 1: doown likes this draft. Captain tradedown doesn't love the top
Speaker 1: ten of this draft if you're looking for defensive help.
Speaker 1: So I love the idea of trading down, absolutely do.
Speaker 1: I do not love the idea of using those picks now. Look,
Speaker 1: as a long term play, you get better value if
Speaker 1: you are trading for next year's picks. So if you
Speaker 1: are a bad team or a building or rebuilding team,
Speaker 1: then I think that's a great strategy. The Cowboys planned
Speaker 1: to win. So I think that if you want to
Speaker 1: trade down at this draft, I want to still exist
Speaker 1: strongly in the second and third rounds because I think
Speaker 1: it's a really good draft there. I think the one
Speaker 1: place that it's a little bit worrisome is if you're
Speaker 1: picking around, oh, I don't know ten and you're looking
Speaker 1: for defense. So Captain Traddown does want to ride, but
Speaker 1: Captain Traddown does not want to leave this year. Dan Now,
Speaker 1: I get that personally. You know, if the team's offering
Speaker 1: me a one next year and a second round pick
Speaker 1: for number ten, I'm thinking really strongly about that. And
Speaker 1: trust me, I no one loves drafting more than I do.
Speaker 1: I'd hate to draft out of the first round this
Speaker 1: year because I think even if you don't love the
Speaker 1: top ten, there's still quality players you'd love to add
Speaker 1: to this roster. But the chance to add another Day
Speaker 1: two pick, maybe another Day three pick as well, plus
Speaker 1: a one next year, that's you know, you got to
Speaker 1: think long term, and I think that would you're getting
Speaker 1: excellent value at that point. So you know, I think
Speaker 1: there's something to be said about the cap situation, and
Speaker 1: you know, filling out the roster with Day two picks
Speaker 1: rather than you know, like a top ten pick which
Speaker 1: you know makes X amount of money. You know, you
Speaker 1: have a chance to trade back and still get a
Speaker 1: solid player, and you're getting them for lesser money. So
Speaker 1: I think that factors into so a lot of moving
Speaker 1: parts here. It's worth having the conversation. If the offer.
Speaker 1: Is there no question I'll be quick on this. I
Speaker 1: think you start to get to round five, six and seven,
Speaker 1: and maybe you've got it narrowed down to five guys
Speaker 1: you want to draft, and then say, okay, there's three
Speaker 1: guys that want to take right here, and a lot
Speaker 1: of these guys, let's say they didn't play last year
Speaker 1: and I'm going off twenty nineteen tape and things like that.
Speaker 1: That's kind of where i'd go. You know what, if
Speaker 1: someone wants to get in back in the fifth round,
Speaker 1: I'll take a pick for next year. I think I'm
Speaker 1: more likely to throw around picks in the fifth, sixth,
Speaker 1: and seventh round. But I think there Jeff made a
Speaker 1: good point there. You're not planning to be picking tenth
Speaker 1: in each round next year. This is a team that's
Speaker 1: gonna try to win and I think likely will be
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. So I think you're probab have a
Speaker 1: pick in between nineteen and thirty two. It's a little
Speaker 1: different right there, but you know, but I'm willing to
Speaker 1: play that game in the fifth, sixth, and seventh round.
Speaker 1: And Dane also brought up the point of the money
Speaker 1: in the way that the draft funds are going to
Speaker 1: have to be allocated. I don't know. Maybe is this
Speaker 1: year's salary cap going to be better than next year's
Speaker 1: salary cap? That's my biggest question, because at least right now,
Speaker 1: it doesn't look like that's the case. It looks like
Speaker 1: this year is actually going to be a better year
Speaker 1: for the cap and for the different funds that would
Speaker 1: be allotted. Now you have eleven or ten draft picks
Speaker 1: that you're gonna have to go and dish that out
Speaker 1: to at some point if you end up keeping all
Speaker 1: of those, which I don't necessarily anticipate happening, but that's
Speaker 1: an interesting point to keep in there as well. If
Speaker 1: the Cowboys feel like next year is a better year
Speaker 1: to have multiple first round draft picks on your salary,
Speaker 1: then maybe they do in tree or entertain some of
Speaker 1: those offers and maybe move back a little bit more.
Speaker 1: So that is something as well. All Right, Dane, this
Speaker 1: one's for you. Jason wants to hear about the centers
Speaker 1: and guards in this class. We've talked a lot about
Speaker 1: the tackle position. We've talked a lot, of course about
Speaker 1: the tight ends in the defense, but we haven't really
Speaker 1: talked a whole lot about those centers in those guards.
Speaker 1: So tell me just kind of a general synopsis of
Speaker 1: what you think of that interior offensive line. I think
Speaker 1: it's a really good group. I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: starting with the first round and working all the way
Speaker 1: through the drafts, there's a center or guard, multiple guards
Speaker 1: that you could draft and add to this team that
Speaker 1: are going to give you immediate depth and im possible
Speaker 1: future starter. So I'm a big fan of what both
Speaker 1: positions have to offer. A guy like Kendrick Green from
Speaker 1: Illinois who isn't talked about a lot, but this guy's
Speaker 1: a top one hundred pick all day long. He had
Speaker 1: an outstanding pro day yesterday. His movement skills are outstanding.
Speaker 1: He could play center, he could play guard. Quinn Miners
Speaker 1: from Whitewater, I think he's only he probably wouldn't even
Speaker 1: make it to the Cowboys third round pick. I think
Speaker 1: he's going top sixty. But even in a Day three,
Speaker 1: you know, a guy like Drew Dolman from Stanford would
Speaker 1: be a good pickup. Notre Dame's got a couple of
Speaker 1: guards with Aaron Banks and Robert Hanzy that I think
Speaker 1: they're gonna be quality pros. You know, I really like
Speaker 1: I was mentioned talking about tight end. How you know
Speaker 1: there was you know, top one hundred guys and then
Speaker 1: late guys, and like the middle class was missing with
Speaker 1: my guards this year, I've got a lot of guys
Speaker 1: in the top one hundred. I think have ten guys
Speaker 1: in the top one hundred, and then I've got like
Speaker 1: eight guys between rounds four and five, and then I
Speaker 1: don't really like the late rounders. So I love the
Speaker 1: depth of this guard and center group. So if that's
Speaker 1: a position they want to attack, they're gonna have options
Speaker 1: for sure. Jeff, I hate the offensive line. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you that. I remember that I was typing down. I
Speaker 1: was typing down names as Dane was saying, I'm just
Speaker 1: to use the list together because I have watched the
Speaker 1: first couple of round guys and um, like for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: I don't viewed as a big position of needs. So
Speaker 1: I'm not all that deep into it yet, but I
Speaker 1: do like some of the guys that I've seen. I
Speaker 1: think the Ohio State guy is solid. I think the
Speaker 1: Alabama Giant man, Deontay Brown, he's interesting. I don't think
Speaker 1: he really fits here, but I think he's fun. Clemson's
Speaker 1: tackle I think might be a guard. Leatherwood and Alabama
Speaker 1: I think might be a guard. I think the offensive
Speaker 1: line group based on what I've seen, I like, if
Speaker 1: you need an offensive lineman this year, I think you're
Speaker 1: a good ship. Well. And that's that's a good point
Speaker 1: because a lot of my guard rankings a lot of
Speaker 1: more former tackles. With Elijah Vera Tucker from USC he's
Speaker 1: the top guard in this class in my opinion. He
Speaker 1: played left tackle this past year. Jalen Mayfield from Michigan
Speaker 1: played right tackle, but I think he's I think he's
Speaker 1: best inside a guard, Alex Leatherwood, like Jeff mentioned and
Speaker 1: Jackson Carman. So that that's a part of what makes
Speaker 1: I think this guard class really really intriguing. So I
Speaker 1: throw out a question to you, guys be Oddish at center.
Speaker 1: Do we see enough from him as a rookie that
Speaker 1: we think he's definitely the future or is it more
Speaker 1: of okay, well, he did enough to earn him one
Speaker 1: more year to figure him out. I mean, what do
Speaker 1: we think about him long term? I think you're going
Speaker 1: in with him as the starter. And I'll tell you this,
Speaker 1: I think this applies to multiple guys on the roster.
Speaker 1: If you think that there's a guy available that can
Speaker 1: beat that guy out at the right value spot. I
Speaker 1: apply to Donovan Wilson too. I love what we saw
Speaker 1: from him last year. But if you just could magically
Speaker 1: put Jeremiah usu Cormo on this team, he's taken Donovan
Speaker 1: Wilson's job. Yep. If you get to the second or
Speaker 1: third round and you think that there's a center on
Speaker 1: the board that's going to step in and beat Beyodish
Speaker 1: out for that job, then you pick him. And I
Speaker 1: would have no problem with that. Again, I think the
Speaker 1: draft is about value. If you run into a spot
Speaker 1: where you think center is the best value and he's
Speaker 1: the best player available, and you believe he'll walk in
Speaker 1: and start for you, be honest, hasn't done anything to
Speaker 1: make me not want to do that. I think what
Speaker 1: thing too we've seen here is that they're the cowboys,
Speaker 1: are sometimes reactionary and kind of look at recent history
Speaker 1: and things like that, and there's a couple things that
Speaker 1: I wonder. I wonder, if you know, seeing the Connor
Speaker 1: Williams type of left guard makes them want to go
Speaker 1: more to a bigger, mawling type. You know, just a
Speaker 1: guy who plays with a little more power. And I
Speaker 1: also even wonder about, like where they draft that guy,
Speaker 1: if that side maybe turn them off to like a
Speaker 1: sicker round offensive lineman. I know that's a bit of
Speaker 1: a leap and a kind of a broad thing to say,
Speaker 1: but you know, you follow their history. We know they're
Speaker 1: comfortable taking first round offensive lineman. But like there's some
Speaker 1: guys like I'm interested in, like Royce Newman from Ole,
Speaker 1: miss who can play all five spots on the line
Speaker 1: because the cow was quite frankly, They've got some guys
Speaker 1: who they just need to figure out. Yeah, Connor Williams
Speaker 1: is kind of being one of them, And I'm comfortable
Speaker 1: if there's an injury to one of the tackles, I'm
Speaker 1: comfortable saying that Zach Martin is one of those guys.
Speaker 1: I don't They'll say right guard, plug him in, But
Speaker 1: like I think I feel comfortable is Zach Marker to
Speaker 1: play right tackle a guy I M not a good body, um,
Speaker 1: but you want a big guy. And I'm talking day
Speaker 1: three here, we're pushing him back. Here, We're gonna like
Speaker 1: we're in a round four here. Aaron Bakes from Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: I didn't hate and there's there's just something about the
Speaker 1: three hundred and forty pound guy. And again, it's not
Speaker 1: a good body, and it's not it's not always pretty.
Speaker 1: He gets beat every once in a while, but when
Speaker 1: he does hit his target and finish, it's a it's
Speaker 1: a sight to be seen. And I just wonder if
Speaker 1: that's something you might want to take a shot at
Speaker 1: on day three, you know, in the draft. And I
Speaker 1: actually think Banks, I think, if you want, you gotta
Speaker 1: take him in the third round. I don't think you're
Speaker 1: gonna make it to the I don't think he's gonna
Speaker 1: make it a top one hundred. Um. I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna go somewhere on day too. So if he's there
Speaker 1: in the third round, I think that's what you gotta do.
Speaker 1: And another name was Ben Cleveland, Give it, give it?
Speaker 1: Can I have him in the fourth day? I think
Speaker 1: he's borderline. You know, could go late three and maybe
Speaker 1: still there in the fourth. I think, you know, it's borderline.
Speaker 1: I think, honestly, what I've heard from teams feedback on
Speaker 1: him is they just want to be convinced that he
Speaker 1: loves football, you know, kind of because he's a he's
Speaker 1: a big hunter, he's a big outdoors guy, like you know,
Speaker 1: like there's some things that he loves doing that more
Speaker 1: so than football, and so team just need to be
Speaker 1: convinced that football's top on his priority list, which you know,
Speaker 1: I'm they're finding they're trying to figure that out that
Speaker 1: answer during the process. Well, top on my priority list
Speaker 1: right now is getting us to break so that way
Speaker 1: we can come back and hear Jeff Kavanaugh's different first, second,
Speaker 1: and third round scenarios. We're gonna talk about that and
Speaker 1: we're gonna give you players, which one would you choose?
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Speaker 1: gonna get into this really quickly because I do want
Speaker 1: to hit all of these. It's a lot of fun
Speaker 1: from Jeff Cavanall. He orchestrated three different scenarios of positions,
Speaker 1: and then for each position group that you would potentially
Speaker 1: choose in the first, second, and third round, it would
Speaker 1: be three different types of players, or maybe even more
Speaker 1: than that. So we're gonna start things off corner in
Speaker 1: the first round, safety next, and then moving on to
Speaker 1: defensive tackle, which in my opinion, I think is the
Speaker 1: most likely of the three. Even though the Cowboys haven't
Speaker 1: taken a safety in the first or second round since
Speaker 1: two thousand and two. But we've got the options up
Speaker 1: on the screen here, Jeff, what is your thinking with
Speaker 1: this position group one through three? Okay? So to me,
Speaker 1: the point of the exercise is trying to take three
Speaker 1: positions that the Cowboys reasonably need that could be their
Speaker 1: first three picks, and then draw me a map of
Speaker 1: what that draft could look like so that everybody who's
Speaker 1: listening or watching can see, Okay, if you went this
Speaker 1: route and then this position and then this position, or
Speaker 1: what if I put that one first and then this
Speaker 1: one was third, and so just drawing out different maps
Speaker 1: to see what the draft looks like based on the
Speaker 1: depth of each of those positions and which ones you
Speaker 1: would like the best. For instance, if you're going with
Speaker 1: a corner, a safety, and a defensive tackle, well here,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the cornerback first. Would you rather have
Speaker 1: Patrick Curtan Richie Grant in the second provided you can
Speaker 1: get him there? Your free safety? And then my guy
Speaker 1: Marlin Dane say his last name, that's pretty good, all right,
Speaker 1: he's my US, he's my USC nose tackle. So corner safety,
Speaker 1: d tackle, I go Certan Grant to Apolotu. All right,
Speaker 1: remember that. Now let's take that same group of position,
Speaker 1: but this time I'm gonna start with the safety. I
Speaker 1: don't think there's a safety worth a top ten pick
Speaker 1: unless you're calling Jokay a safety. So in this scenario,
Speaker 1: you're trading down to who cares nineteen twenty whatever. Right,
Speaker 1: So in this scenario, you're taking Trevan Merrick. And in
Speaker 1: the second round, I'm gonna give you Elijah Molden the
Speaker 1: Washington corner, and you're getting a bonus of Jabril Cox,
Speaker 1: the LSU linebacker because you trade it down. And then
Speaker 1: I'm giving you Ohio State defensive tackle Tommy Togi. I
Speaker 1: I knew there was an extra vowel sound Toga. And
Speaker 1: so now that is the safety going first instead of
Speaker 1: the corner. Now let's make the defensive tackle go first.
Speaker 1: And it's another trade down because I'm not taking Christian
Speaker 1: Barmore in the top ten. But you get Christian Barmore,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you Richie Grant again. I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: you a bonus of Georgia corner Eric Stokes because you
Speaker 1: trade it down for Barmore, and I'm gonna give you
Speaker 1: Jaymin Davis, the Kentucky linebacker as the position that's not listed.
Speaker 1: But you had an extra pit because you traded down.
Speaker 1: So Sir Tan Grant Toy Polo to Marrig Moulden Cox,
Speaker 1: where's the extra vall again to togy I Barmore, Grant Stokes,
Speaker 1: Jaymin Davis, and around the room starting with Dane. Pick
Speaker 1: your winner. Which one do you like the best? I
Speaker 1: think the second one with the four um the chance
Speaker 1: to get it the four players with Marden Cox, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I feel really good about now. You know,
Speaker 1: we have to make sure we have someone to play
Speaker 1: outside corner because Moulden's more of that nickel corner um.
Speaker 1: But in terms of the players that I'm getting, I
Speaker 1: feel like you can make it Stokes or alf if
Speaker 1: you want to just trade out a name for a
Speaker 1: name that is a second round wow. Well, and it's
Speaker 1: tough because part of why I chose that because of Molden,
Speaker 1: because I like him so much as a player. But
Speaker 1: resigning Jordan Lewis is your and Lewis gonna be the
Speaker 1: nickel probably. I mean, if I think what's gonna happen
Speaker 1: is they're gonna draft a corner in the top ten,
Speaker 1: and then they're gonna have year five of Anthony Brown
Speaker 1: versus Jordan Lewis and Anthony Brown's four and oh in
Speaker 1: those battles so far, so we'll see. Yeah, and you're
Speaker 1: probably right. So, I mean, just on the surface, that
Speaker 1: second one would be I think the way I would go,
Speaker 1: you get your safety, you get a really talented corner,
Speaker 1: a good linebacker that can help you, especially on third down,
Speaker 1: and then a defensive tackle give you that defensive tackle depth,
Speaker 1: really good run player Kevin. Yeah. So I mean, look,
Speaker 1: option one gives you Patrick Surtan, Richie Grant, and Marlon
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle from USC. What I would is, I'm
Speaker 1: going with group three there, Jeff, with the trade down,
Speaker 1: because how much more do you like Barmore over Marlin
Speaker 1: compared to how much more do you like Curtan over Stokes?
Speaker 1: And I like Stokes a lot because the safety on
Speaker 1: those on the both of those combinations is Richie Grant.
Speaker 1: So Barmore or Certan is what you have. And then
Speaker 1: you have on the third part right there, Marlin or Stokes.
Speaker 1: It's pretty close. I know about how much I probably
Speaker 1: like Barmore more than Marlin about the same that I
Speaker 1: like Certan over Eric Stokes, but you have a bonus
Speaker 1: of linebacker John and Davis. So yeah, I'm going with
Speaker 1: the third one right there. We're gonna get an extra
Speaker 1: lottery ticket. Four players. Eric Stokes plays outside for me,
Speaker 1: So I've got my outside corner, I've got my defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: I still get Richie Grant, who I coveted all along,
Speaker 1: and I get a linebacker to have fun with. So
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a fan of a group three there, Jeffrey.
Speaker 1: See this is why jeff Cavanaugh is really good at
Speaker 1: these exercises. Because I'm split. I have number one, so
Speaker 1: that means all three of us have picked a different
Speaker 1: selection here. And the reason why I'm picking number one,
Speaker 1: I'll make it quickly. But basically it just comes down
Speaker 1: to which position is a bigger need for me out
Speaker 1: of this draft class. Is it corner or is it
Speaker 1: defensive tackle? Pick number three says or a corner is
Speaker 1: not as big of a need as defensive tackle. Because
Speaker 1: Barmore is gonna go first, you'll still get Stokes. And
Speaker 1: I do like Stokes, but I like Sirtan a lot
Speaker 1: more than I like Stokes. And sure, I might only
Speaker 1: get three players. But if you're telling me you're giving
Speaker 1: me a starting corner and then Richie Grant as a
Speaker 1: starting safety, I think I would take that over maybe
Speaker 1: a depth piece in two PLOTU and I would ride
Speaker 1: with Neville Gallimore and I would ride with Tristan Hill
Speaker 1: coming back as well. So I would pick number one.
Speaker 1: But that's I mean, I'm okay with any of these three.
Speaker 1: Like Jeff, I think this is a perfect perfect case
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys because if you get any of these three,
Speaker 1: I feel like you're really really feeling good about your draft.
Speaker 1: Now let's go and move on to the next one
Speaker 1: really quickly, since we're running out of time. Offensive tackle,
Speaker 1: who Jeff, Yeah, Jeff, which one real fast? Which Jeff doesn't?
Speaker 1: Jeff doesn't pick. Jeff designed the game. So all right,
Speaker 1: offensive tackle, corner safety, offensive tackle, corner safety. All right,
Speaker 1: here we go, so in different orders. So you're gonna
Speaker 1: get an offensive tackle, you're gonna get into corner, You're
Speaker 1: gonna get a safety. Round one, your tackle goes first,
Speaker 1: Rashaan Slater, Richie Grant, and in the third round you're
Speaker 1: taking either pauls and Adebo or Tyson Campbell, whichever corner
Speaker 1: you like. Better. Now I'm gonna take the corner first,
Speaker 1: Caleb Farley. In the second round, you get Alex Leatherwood.
Speaker 1: In the third round, you get whichever safety you like
Speaker 1: between holland Cisco Washington. So there it is corner, tackle safety.
Speaker 1: Then a train down scenario takes safety first because we
Speaker 1: just can't do it without it. Marrig melofon Wu, your
Speaker 1: bonus is Dane, say, the Washington d tackle's last name.
Speaker 1: All right, you're getting owned Zerike is your bonus. And
Speaker 1: in the third round Walker little Stanford offensive tackle. So
Speaker 1: that's going safety first. Those are your three options. Man,
Speaker 1: that was tough. What is the five of the third scenario? Again? Who,
Speaker 1: Marrig melofon Wu owns Errick Walker little? Wow? Yeah, my
Speaker 1: initial My initial thought was one easy, Um Slater, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know plug and play guard can play tackle. Um,
Speaker 1: getting Tyson Campbell in the third would be a steal
Speaker 1: in my opinion. Um who is the second oh, Richie Grant, Yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody loves her, So, I mean one sounds really really appealing.
Speaker 1: But the third one that that's piqued my interest here
Speaker 1: well in getting that extra player is i mean, obviously
Speaker 1: in the safety Trevann marry you feel good about that.
Speaker 1: Walker Little's got so much ability and he's got a
Speaker 1: big discount sticker on him. Yeah, because he hasn't played
Speaker 1: the last two years, but he's so talented that you
Speaker 1: see a future starter. Oh man, that's tough. Yeah. First
Speaker 1: I was gonna take the first one. But it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, you go to a restaurant, you order an
Speaker 1: appetizer platter or you get You're like, hey, I got
Speaker 1: my fried pickles and Trevanna Mary right there, I got
Speaker 1: my outside corner. Those are those are my my cheese sticks.
Speaker 1: We got a little sliders, got my sliders right there?
Speaker 1: And own Zerique and underrating people not talking about him
Speaker 1: much because he hasn't been around. But the Southwestern Negroes
Speaker 1: comes in and Walker a little like in two years,
Speaker 1: I like. I don't know if I want him starting
Speaker 1: next year, but I like him as a development guy
Speaker 1: for one year just because he hasn't been around. That's
Speaker 1: my player right there is number three. Now now I'm
Speaker 1: hungry things. Yeah, I know I'm starving. Yeah, I'm picking three.
Speaker 1: I'm picking three as well, even though I love Slater
Speaker 1: and I think number one is the more likely. I
Speaker 1: think number three would be more fun for me because
Speaker 1: I agree. I think Walker Little as a prospect would
Speaker 1: be something that you could develop down the line, and
Speaker 1: that's perfect a tackle all right, Linebackers, safety, corner, Jeff Yes, Yeah, linebacker, safety,
Speaker 1: and corner. Group one Michael Parsons, Richie Grant, Paulson, Adibo
Speaker 1: or Dane. You can have Tyson Campbell. I'm letting you
Speaker 1: have a steal. Group two, Certan Jabril Cox, and your
Speaker 1: third round safety it can be Washington, Cisco Holland and
Speaker 1: Group three Jeremiah Usu, Coromoa, Kelvin Joseph Kentucky corner. Or
Speaker 1: you can pick a different second round corner Jamon Davis,
Speaker 1: Kentucky linebacker. That's one, two and three. Parsons, Grant, Adbo,
Speaker 1: certain and Cox, Washington, Jok, Joseph, David Scope. I'm taking one,
Speaker 1: I'm taking Parsons, I'm taking Grant, I'm taking Tyson Campbell. Um.
Speaker 1: But I mean, and it all hinges on like a
Speaker 1: persons being a good guy, which is up in the air.
Speaker 1: But as long as I'm comfortable with the character that
Speaker 1: I think that, that's That's where I'm going. Yeah. Same, Sorry,
Speaker 1: I would elaborate, but we're short on time, but I
Speaker 1: agree first one. Mm. I'm thinking two guys. I don't
Speaker 1: know why, but I like to a lot. Maybe Jeff
Speaker 1: talked me in on Washington. Do you like two because
Speaker 1: two's the best? Yeah, Washington Two's hot. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I might. I think I like too a little bit.
Speaker 1: Feeling crazy. Oh that's right. You don't pay great of
Speaker 1: the game, so I don't. I don't. I don't have opinions.
Speaker 1: Go ACU ACU versus Texas, North Texas versus Purdue. Dane,
Speaker 1: you got a school in the fight this year? Uh,
Speaker 1: what what's basketball? What do you know? You don't know
Speaker 1: where basketball is? It is draft Seas. What are we
Speaker 1: doing college basketball? What do we do? It doesn't have
Speaker 1: a bracket. You've got a bracket? Oh man, I got
Speaker 1: three brackets. No, unless you're talking about cover two. No,
Speaker 1: we're not talking about bracket, no brackets whatsoever. For Dane Burglar,
Speaker 1: that means he's picking North Texas to run the table
Speaker 1: and win it all this year in March madness. That's
Speaker 1: gonna go for us here on the Draft Show. Thanks
Speaker 1: for joining us here over the last hour. I hope
Speaker 1: you learned something. I definitely learned something from these guys
Speaker 1: and Jeff can sure make a game that was fun.
Speaker 1: We'll have to do that again. Jeff, well done on
Speaker 1: this or that. We'll be back on Tuesday with the
Speaker 1: other crew. This crew back next Thursday, ten am Central
Speaker 1: Time for Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin kat Turner for Dan Burugler,
Speaker 1: and Chris Beating in the backup. Kyle Yeoman's so long.
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