WEBVTT - Draft Show: Free Agency Shaking Up The Draft? 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:08.039 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:11.480 war room for in center news and draft analysis from 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:15.000 deep within the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:21.720 in Fresco, Dallas Cowboys like d Lamb and now your hosts, 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:28.720 Dane Brugler, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner and Kyle Yeomans. We 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:32.520 are rolling along here on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:36.280 Draft Show, just forty two days away, a Bury Church 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:40.440 number away from the Dallas Cowboys and the twenty twenty 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:44.600 one NFL Draft. We've got plenty to break down as 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:49.040 we've got potential scenarios, first, second, third round, We've got 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:51.279 plenty of prospects that we're gonna get to and then 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:54.320 also some pro days that we're gonna hit in this 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:56.840 episode of the Draft Show. Glad you're with us on 0:00:56.920 --> 0:01:00.840 Dallas Cowboys dot Com in the various streaming platform Jeff Kavanaugh, 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:04.560 Kevin Kate t turning Rock in the Mean Green this 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:07.720 afternoon or I guess this morning rather as North Texas 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:11.480 of course playing in March Madness starting tomorrow against Purdue, 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:13.880 and then Dame Brugler, who's a lot closer to March 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:16.240 Madness than we are up in Ohio. He's a little 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:19.920 bit closer to the Indiana madness. But gentlemen, it's been 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:23.800 a crazy week already with free agency, some new players 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:25.720 coming in for the Cowboys, a little bit of depth 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:28.360 at it, and then of course some starters that have 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:32.319 thus walked on and gone elsewhere. But Katie, I know 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:35.160 you're very adamant on Twitter that this is not the 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:39.200 free agency show. This is the draft show. I've seen 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:41.840 that reply a couple times for you over the last 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:45.720 twenty four hours or so. But doesn't free agency directly 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:50.600 correlate with the draft? No, No, it totally does. I 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:52.760 just like when I put out the tweet for everyone 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:54.840 to ask their questions to you for Twitter on the 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:56.800 twenties so I don't have to look at it and 0:01:56.880 --> 0:02:00.040 you can handle and filter the questions. When people and 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:03.960 asking questions about free agency, I'm like, hey, ask questions 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:07.480 about the draft the free agency questions. You can do, 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:09.720 and I'm want to do that on talking Cowboys or something. 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:13.560 But it does correlate, like, for instance, with the Cowboys 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:16.840 picking at ten. I found it to be quite interesting 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:21.760 that the Broncos signed Ronald Darby a cornerback. Does that 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:24.400 mean that the Broncos would not take a cornerback at nine. 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:27.240 Absolutely not, but it might mean they don't feel that 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:30.080 urgency to take a cornerback at nine. I thought the 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:36.680 Panthers getting Hassan Reddick was very interesting because maybe they're 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:39.280 toying around at the notion of maybe we trade pick 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:41.799 eight and maybe we could throw Brian Burns into it 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:45.079 for maybe a Deshaun Watson package. You know, just at 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:47.639 things like that is what I was kind of thinking 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:49.840 of in terms of what the Cowboys have done. We know, 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:54.040 with Cheeto gone, Jordan Lewis stays, you still have Anthony Brown. 0:02:54.720 --> 0:03:00.240 You might you might say cornerback is not as gent 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:03.560 as maybe it was if you had lost George Lewis too, 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:06.799 but you still gotta upgrade at that position. So I 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:09.120 don't think it changes. I don't think it changed much 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:11.200 of anything, to be honestly, Jeff, do you think it 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:14.680 changes anything from a Cowboys standpoint? The fact of the 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:17.280 players that had gone and then those that have stayed. 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:22.480 I don't think it changes much, only because I think 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:25.480 cornerback is still a really big position of need. I 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:28.120 think it was this is something that you should have 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:30.280 known was going to happen as a Cowboy fan, whether 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:31.799 it was gonna be Jordan Lewis or whether it was 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:34.920 going to be somebody else. In free agency, they weren't 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:38.040 going to go into an NFL draft butt naked. They 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:41.160 weren't going to go in there with two with two 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:46.720 NFL starting caliber ish corners on the entire roster. So 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:50.440 you know, Jordan Lewis is probably a slot guy. I 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:52.280 wonder if they'll look at him at safety. Probably not, 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:54.480 but let me just throw it out just in case. Ye, 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:57.960 But yeah, you weren't going to go into a draft 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:01.360 with that big of a blinking light of need at 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:04.320 a position. They were going to sign somebody, and they did. 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:08.240 So now you, in theory, could go play on Sunday 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:10.280 because you would have Jordan Lewis and the Slott Anthony 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:13.320 Brown out wide, Trevant Diggs out wide, and you could play. 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:15.320 And that's the goal to get ready for the draft, 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:17.040 is to sign the free agency that make it so 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:19.599 that if you had to, you could go play. So 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:22.640 now I can be closer to best player available to 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:24.960 get the best value possible in the draft. Free agencies 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:27.279 about need. The draft is about value. Let's go find 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:31.239 the value Dane. Have there been any other moves around 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:33.919 the NFL that could potentially shake kind of like what 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:37.080 Kate was talking about, what the Cowboys are going to 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:39.279 do in the draft, whether it's because they acquired a 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:44.960 certain player or they did something specific in free agency. No, 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:47.200 I don't think so. I mean, I do appreciate Katie's 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:50.680 imagination with each one of these deals because you know, 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:55.520 obviously it's you know, it's ripple effect whatever. When one 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:59.440 thing happens, it affects other moves and potentially on draft day. 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:02.080 So uh, you know, it is interesting to go down 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:05.000 that that rabbit hole. But I do agree with Jeff 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:07.440 that you know, this is the free agency is about 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:09.520 filling needs so you can go out and play tomorrow, 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:13.200 and it's more about rounding out your roster. So on 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:16.400 draft day, you know you can take the best players. 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:19.159 You can stick to your board and you're not reaching 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:23.520 for need and targeting a specific position and forcing things 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:27.200 and so you know, and we're just looking at you know, 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:28.960 we still have a lot, a lot to happen in 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:31.599 free agency. You know, we saw that first wave and 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:33.320 then there's a little bit of a lull, and then 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:35.479 I think there's going to be, you know, slowly but 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:38.080 surely picked back up a little bit, especially with some 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:42.440 of these markets like the receiver market, taffle market. But 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:45.159 you know, for the most part, I don't think anything 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:49.080 happened in free agency thus far that will necessarily alter 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:51.680 what we thought about how the Cowboys are going to 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:54.920 attack the draft here in a month and a half. 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:57.760 Well good, So we don't necessarily have to pivot on 0:05:57.800 --> 0:05:59.800 a whole lot. We can just kind of continue on 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:03.000 with what we were talking about prior to this week, 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:06.000 which is something that I know some people were worried about, 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:08.719 but I think it's exactly what we expected overall. Like 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:10.960 Jeff said, if you're a Cowboys fan, you knew you're 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:13.440 probably gonna lose a corner keep a corner, depending on 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:16.120 which one it was. And Cheeto signed with the Cincinnati 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:19.200 Bengals within about five hours of the opening of free agency, 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:21.840 so of course it was then Jordan Lewis was the 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:25.120 next man up. It seemed like from the corner position, 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:27.440 and really, in my mind, I think it was probably 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.120 the better corner to keep because of the money, but 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:32.520 it was something that the Cowboys needed to get done. 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:34.640 Now there have been a lot of pro days that 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:37.440 have been going on over the last couple of weeks, 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:41.040 simultaneous with the free agency market and with kind of 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:45.760 the roster acquisitions. There's the continuation of this draft process. 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:49.440 No NFL combine this year. That's been duly noted over 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:52.280 the last couple of draft shows as well. But these 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:57.120 pro days are actually happening, and there's things that are 0:06:57.200 --> 0:06:59.880 official and unofficial, and of course you got to take 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.240 everything with a grain of salt, Dane. But before we 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:04.880 go into the specific pro days, what has been your 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:08.039 overall thought of the pro day only process that we've 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:13.560 really seen for the first time here in twenty twenty one. Well, 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:17.000 obviously it's not ideal not having the combine, but you know, 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:18.920 I'm glad we have something. And you know, the pro 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:23.440 day circuit is interesting because obviously we're dealing with on 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:28.200 campus workouts. So we're talking about different venues, different tracks. 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:30.840 You know, some of these are inside, some of them 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:34.880 are outside, and you know, so just totally different environments. 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:38.240 And you know, they structured it so they made it 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:41.600 as easy as possible for uh, you know, scouts to 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:44.720 hot from pro day to pro day, hitting multiple pro 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:48.400 days in one day. Uh, you know, yesterday Illinois had 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:50.760 their pro Day in the morning. They scheduled Illinois State 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:53.360 Pro Day for the afternoon so those guys can just 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:55.760 zip over. And you know, they tried to make it 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:59.880 as scout friendly as possible. And you know, as we 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:04.800 get these results coming in, some of them are you know, surprising, Um, 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:07.920 some of them are more expected. But you know, as always, 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:09.920 it's just it's good to have the data because we're 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:12.480 missing that from the combine. And so I'm just you know, 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:16.160 even if the pro day data isn't you know all 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:19.400 it's not perfect in terms of how it's gathered, and 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:23.560 you know, the is there a degree of you know, 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:26.320 could could have an error here or there could be 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:34.520 offwasher on the CRODA. No. I mean, like I said before, 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:38.160 we're talking about fast tracks, slow tracks inside outside, you know, 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:41.120 like it's it's tough, um. You know, it's some of 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:45.040 these guys that are running in tougher situations. So you know, 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:48.559 and as scouts, you know, you're you're taught to maybe 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:50.800 aut a tenth of a second here or there, depending 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:52.760 on the track, and so there's a lot it's a 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:56.520 it's a more of a formula when you're trying to 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:59.920 boil down these times and the data, but nonetheless it 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:02.520 it's better than not having any data at all. So 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:05.400 we're gonna take a We're gonna take Creed Humphries four 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:07.480 four six that he ran on the twenty yard shuttle, 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:09.360 and we're gonna we're gonna add a tenth of a second. 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:12.040 There is that what you're saying there, Dane, if it's 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:14.600 a little too fast, because that would have tied as 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:17.640 were Cleveland for the fastest of last year's combine. So 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:19.840 I mean, there's been numbers that have still stuck out, 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:22.199 but you're saying that once again, you got to take 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:24.120 it with a grain of salt. And I didn't really 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:25.960 realize this until you said it a moment ago. But 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:31.199 there's a system to it. Oh yeah, definitely. And I 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:34.920 mean I wouldn't say take with a grain assault what's 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:38.880 reported out there as the drills are happening, because people 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:41.160 are doing it with their phones. They're you know, like 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:44.400 it's just wait for you know, later on that day 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:48.600 when the quote unquote official times, because honestly, the official 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:51.560 Times is whatever the NFL teams are using. Okay, So 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:54.480 even if it's off by a little bit, it doesn't 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:56.440 matter because if that's what NFL teams are going by, 0:09:56.720 --> 0:09:58.600 that's good enough for me to call it officials. So 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:02.680 Creed Humphrey, for example, the official short shuttle for him, 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:05.439 this is what NFL teams have is four four nine, 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:08.200 So that far off, you know, pretty close to what 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:11.240 he ran. So um, but hey, that's another reason to 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:14.880 get the Beast because all the official times that NFL 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:16.880 teams will be using will be in there for every 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:20.480 single player. Look, so if you don't, if you don't 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:23.960 get the Beast, just watch me on YouTube, and I 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:27.120 do it in my head. I watched Eric Stokes run 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:29.640 is forty and I got I got three seven, I 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:36.000 got three seven eight, So I just fund three one thousand. Well, no, 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:40.360 because I watched Henry Ruggs and Jayalen Wattle race on 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:43.080 the internet and I got that at three point two. 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:45.640 So that's the record. They both ran a three two 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:49.199 just one one thousand's fair two one thousands. And as 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:51.480 long as I count at the same speed every time, 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:55.439 I think I'm in good shape. It's the capital class, 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:59.040 all right, friends, stance when it goes to U. But yeah, 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:02.200 like I remember Autostow like talking about how some some 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:05.360 fields are like uphill and downhill. Like he's like got 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:07.439 this little little pieces up before like where it's not 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:09.600 the flat land. But like Dan makes a good point, 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:13.120 like it doesn't hurt to like wait a couple hours, 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:16.480 like for instance, I will and this is just me. 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:18.480 This is no offense to anyone who's out there covering 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:21.920 this stuff. But like I'll trust uh Senior Bowl director 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:25.920 Jim Naggy's time with a stop watch over. You know 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:29.440 a guy named Steve on Twitter who just put something 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:33.960 out whoa, whoa. If Steve is a good dude, Well 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:36.560 Steve just puts it out there real quick, and you're like, okay, 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:39.160 well let's get there, let's get I'll trust the guy 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:42.280 who you know runs the Senior Bowl, like and he's 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:43.800 got time life. For instance, he had the times for 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:47.680 Eric Stokes. But this is what's kind of like also, 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:50.280 we like to overrate all these times sometimes too. We 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:52.880 know Eric Stokes is fast. If Eric Stokes runs a 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:55.240 four two five versus four three two, what does it 0:11:55.320 --> 0:12:00.000 matter to me? It comes it twice, don't count it twice. 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:03.040 So this goes back to a joke I've issued on 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:05.960 this show before. But there's a reason Jeff and Day 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:11.040 entitled their old podcast trust the Tape. That's that, Trust 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:14.240 the Pro Day. Trust the Pro Day did that? Well? 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:16.200 I don't, but trust the Pro Day you can admit 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:21.760 would have gotten terrible ratings. Oh yeah, hard to say, 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:29.240 really hard to say. Well, Georgia, it's weird because did 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:31.600 Georgia have half their guys run downhill and have them 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:35.040 run uphill? Because safety Richard LeCount running a four eggs 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:38.520 probably not good? Yeah, that was real bad. Yeah the 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:41.559 official was a little bit better than that. But yeah, 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:45.200 he did not have the best workout. But who did 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:48.000 who had a pretty good workout? Several players of the 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:52.880 Texas Pro Day. Uh Sam caused me just ridiculous. Came 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:55.960 in at six six three fifteen thirty three in arms, 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:57.840 so just good enough in terms of the arm length. 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:00.600 But he ran a four eight five with a one 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:04.840 six eight ten yards split, which is just unbelievable for 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:08.559 that for that size. So he was moving. He helped himself. Um. 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:12.319 Joseph Osai I thought ran well at two hundred and 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:15.000 fifty six pounds. He ran a four to six two. 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:19.880 But one thing with Osai is it's you always take 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:23.920 notice when a guy Alex not to run or to 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:27.040 perform a certain drill, and Joseph Osai, who's not the 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:30.160 most bendy guy, chose not to run the three cone 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:34.000 or the shuttles. And that's if you know, if you're 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:35.880 an a valuator, that's a red flag. You know that 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:38.920 that sticks out like a store firm. Isn't that better? 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:42.200 Because like what I when I saw the Richard LeCount 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:46.280 forty time, Like, if I'm his agent, I'm telling him, Hey, 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:48.040 we're just gonna let people assume you run a four 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:51.160 to six five like we're not running. If I know 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:52.800 I'm gonna run a four eight, if I know I'm 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:55.280 gonna put up a bad three cone time, I'm gonna 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:57.280 have a meeting with my agent be like, hey, what 0:13:57.400 --> 0:13:59.800 our NFL team's gonna assume I would run if I 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.280 don't do this? And am I actually gonna run worse 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:05.679 than that? We ain't running. But if you students need 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:09.160 to not work out, if you and I get that, 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:11.959 but if you choose not to run, then all of 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:14.719 a sudden, you know, okay, we thought Joseph saw was 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:18.880 going to run a seven two three cone, but then 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:20.800 he chose not to run it's like, oh, well, maybe 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:23.560 it's even worse than that. Maybe it was seven three. Maybe, 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:26.640 you know, like your mind as an evaluator starts to 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:29.200 really think, Okay, well maybe maybe it was so bad 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:32.200 during testing because obviously they you know, he got three 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:36.120 cone time during his training. Maybe it was just that 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:38.480 it wasn't even an average, it was well below average. 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:42.680 And so it's something that definitely stands out and instead 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:45.480 of putting a number to it, it's gonna leave evaluators 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:48.480 to the their imagination to come up with a number. 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:51.320 So just it's it's it's something worth noting and paying 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:54.320 attention to for sure. I just think like if Orlando 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:56.720 Brown didn't work out at the combine and didn't run, 0:14:56.880 --> 0:15:00.280 I think he would have made millions more dollars. Like 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:03.360 his his workout was so bad that I was like, man, 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:06.920 just let teams imagination be as bad as they want, 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:09.520 because it wouldn't be that bad. Well, yeah, and he's 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:13.640 he's the extreme case because his his numbers were historically bad. 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:16.600 So yeah, he's definitely an extreme case. But that and 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:19.240 that's why with the like an Osai, because he didn't 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:21.400 do the three cone, does that tell me that his 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:24.640 three cone times during training weren't even average, you know, 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:27.520 were they well below average? And so but it you know, 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:30.440 evaluators gonna be kept guessing. Now, is that gonna push 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:33.680 him down draft boards? No, I highly doubt it. Teams 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:36.960 already knew he was a little stiff through the hips. Um. 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:39.280 But it's just it's one of those things that it's 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:42.600 it's part of it becomes part of his evaluation. Well, 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:44.280 can I throw in one more thing too? And I 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:46.080 know we're like just bounced to the Texas about I 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:48.120 want to go back to Georgia real quick with Richard 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:51.920 LeCount whose numbers were not great. Um. And but you 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:54.160 know he's got questions too because he had the motorbike 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:56.560 at to that, you know, in his senior year. But 0:15:56.640 --> 0:16:00.280 he's got you know, a career, uh, some interceptions, you know, 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:02.680 ball skills, things like that. But I had written down 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:05.880 in my notes kind of slow and a little undersized. 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:08.120 So like I saw his numbers and I know the 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:10.120 official numbers come out later, and I was like, I'm 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:13.760 really not surprised, But is there pressure to run when 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:17.080 Tyson Campbell's running, or Eric Stokes is running or Monnie 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:19.560 Rice is running? Like, hey, all these guys are running. 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:22.480 I'm gonna get measured anyway. They're gonna know how, they're 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:24.880 gonna know. I'm a little shorty, though he's got decent 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:27.200 lengked with his long arms. I just kind of like, 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:29.720 that's kind of what I think, Richard account is. I 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:31.880 kind of had got a little confirmed of what I 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:35.560 thought about LeCount at least after seeing his time yesterday. Well, 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:37.960 and then on the flip side, with a guy like LeCount, 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:40.600 they're gonna be some teams that look at that and say, oh, 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:43.120 a four eight, all right, now, we might be able 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:44.920 to give him in sixth round. Now, you know, like 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:47.040 they're they're doing a little fist pump when they see 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:50.280 that number because instead of being a fourth or fifth rounder, 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:53.360 which you know, I think that's what most teams thought 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:57.520 he would be, you know, mid season before that injury. Um, 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:00.320 you know, now maybe he could be in a later rounds. 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:02.760 Obviously the medicals would be a big part of that. Dan, 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:04.840 what do you what did you think about him previous 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.679 to the injury, Because I know you've kept up with 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:10.040 him pretty much the last couple of years, But previous 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:11.840 to the injury, was he a different player than he 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:16.600 was after that motorcycle accident. Well we didn't. We didn't 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:20.640 really see him after tra accident unfortunately, um he. But 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:22.680 I tell you we did see him for one play, 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:27.919 um he, which wells it was the final player of 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:29.240 the ball game. It's which it was kind of like 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:32.120 the Landed Dickerson situation, you know, where they just put 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:34.920 him out there so he could finish his career right, 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:38.000 which speaks a lot to his you know character and 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:40.600 you know the way they think of him in that program. Um, 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:42.760 I like LeCount to be honest with you, I think 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:46.320 he plays faster than whatever he was gonna run. Um. 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:50.120 You know, he's his pursuit range is outstanding. He could 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:54.040 play both sidelines. He plays fearless. Um. So you know, 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:56.520 I think you have to live with the inconsistencies that 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:59.200 he has. But still, you know, he reminds me a 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:02.280 little bit about what of his uh Marquise Blair coming 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:04.680 out of Utah a few years ago. Wow, uh kind 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:06.119 of can do it, can do a little bit of 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:09.600 everything as a nickel. Um you know, he's I think 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:12.680 he's an undersized version of a Marquise Blair. So I 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:16.520 do like him. I like that a lot. Any other 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:18.720 Pro Day's Katie, that kind of stuck out to you, 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:22.119 and that numbers jump off the page at least from 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:26.280 either in a positive way or a negative way. Well, 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:30.000 I can tell you that nothing that happened at the 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:34.080 Pittsburgh Pro Day is gonna make me change about how 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:37.119 I feel about any of these guys coming from Pittsburgh. 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:38.960 I think all these guys at Pittsburgh, and some of 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:41.639 them have like some some traits that are very interesting. 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:45.399 But after watching them, pretty much every evaluation I had 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:49.920 on the Pittsburgh guys, I was kind of like a yeah, 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:54.479 you know, okay, Weaver's okay, uh is that that sound? 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:57.440 Does that? If that sound means that sound means okay? 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:03.240 You know you know, no, I'll let someone else have him. 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:05.360 You know that whole thing Like Patrick Jones, you sit 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:07.879 there and go, okay, great good explosion off the ball, okay, 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:12.159 and then that's it. That's that's about it. There. I 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:16.320 thought Paris Ford's tape the safety was terrible. Um. And 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:20.480 you know, Twyman is very interesting, you know, two hundred 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:25.200 and ninety pounds, um. But I still kind of just 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:28.480 on taping like I don't know, if you know. And 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:32.640 again like I'm talking about one hundred top one hundred prospects. 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:36.720 These gonna be guys you you would taken on round three, 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:39.480 you know. And I don't think I feel that way 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:42.240 about any of those guys. The guy I kind of 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:45.560 liked from them and it's not it's not like in love, 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:47.639 but like we're looking for safeties, right. I do like 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:50.879 Damar Hamlin a little bit. I've got a fourth round 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:55.200 grade on him, but you know, I don't know if 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:57.280 he holds up as a free safety. I don't know 0:19:57.320 --> 0:20:00.240 if he moves well enough. So again, that was looking 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:02.199 for a little more clarity from those Pittsburgh guys, and 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:05.120 I just I don't think you see that with them. 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:09.200 Those Pittsburgh guys. Which is interesting is Twinan and Twinman 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:11.639 didn't play this year. He opted out, Paris four opted 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:16.439 out mid season. So we're talking about two guys that 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:20.160 opted out and still ran those below average times. That's 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:23.320 you know, that's that's saying something when you have all 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:25.680 this time to train and get ready and you still 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:28.080 turn in those times. I mean, it's just another you know, 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:31.119 dynamic to this draft process. Okay, Can I throw on 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:33.000 a quick question though, because there's one guy from them 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:36.480 I haven't seen. He allegedly ran under a four or 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:41.520 five forty four four seven forty was Jason Pinnock, the cornerback. 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:43.520 And he's the guy that I didn't like focus in 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:45.800 on room watching them. Yeah, and I need to go 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:48.800 go see him again. What are your thoughts on him? Yeah, 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:50.960 I think he's a I don't know that he's draftable. 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:54.560 I think he's more of a late round guy, p 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:57.280 F A M. He did put in turn in some 0:20:57.280 --> 0:21:01.960 good times and decent size, you know, not the biggest guys. 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:04.000 I think he came in what five ten and a half, 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:07.680