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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants.

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Speaker 2: Let's go.

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Speaker 3: Let's go.

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Speaker 1: Let's go. Giants. Dunt like it.

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Speaker 3: I like it.

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Speaker 4: Out of my Giants bubbling, give me some jum Part

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Speaker 4: of the Giants podcast.

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Speaker 1: Let's roll, Coach Burris.

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Speaker 3: How we doing.

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Speaker 2: I have fantastic in yourself.

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Speaker 4: I'm doing great well man, listen, welcome to the g men.

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Speaker 4: You look green and blue.

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Speaker 1: Oh for sure, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: What's it what's it been like for you? I know

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Speaker 4: it probably feels a little bit a little bit of

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Speaker 4: a blitz with the with the whole off season and

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Speaker 4: now the draft, now you guys are on the field.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been fast faced, to say the least. We've

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Speaker 5: we've been busy, just obviously with the draft and now

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Speaker 5: with the OTAs. But you know, it's it's it's like

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Speaker 5: drinking through water holes, as people talk about.

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Speaker 2: It's been fun. You know. The good thing about it,

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Speaker 2: Sean is you know, when you're around.

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Speaker 5: Good people, it makes it a lot easier, you know,

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Speaker 5: when you deal with our people in the transition and

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Speaker 5: that to that point.

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Speaker 1: So all right, I mean specifically, you.

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Speaker 4: You spend a lot of time with the corners, right

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Speaker 4: obviously you played corner in the league a long time.

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Speaker 4: When you're looking at a corner, like, what are some

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Speaker 5: One Length, you know, that's one of the things. Obviously

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Speaker 5: we can all talk about length. That's most people talk

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Speaker 5: about height, fight. That's not necessarily the things that you

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Speaker 5: thing that I enjoy I like to find guys that

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Speaker 5: are playmakers, you know, guys that are not afraid to

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Speaker 5: tack the ball and former receivers you think of guys

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Speaker 2: You know, that's the one thing.

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Speaker 5: That we can't We can talk about the intangible, which

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Speaker 5: we talk about high weight, speed and all those things,

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Speaker 5: but the want to the desire to want to be great,

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Speaker 2: That's the thing that makes the difference at the end

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Speaker 1: So if you've got a guy that has great length.

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Speaker 6: So we can use that without a doubt, without a doubt,

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Speaker 6: and it also gives you some somewhat an advantage at

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Speaker 5: You know you got receivers nowadays you look at the

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Speaker 4: You know, I feel like that always ends up being

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Speaker 5: Now, obviously the big corner of emphasis is your leverage,

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Speaker 5: But you know, we're comfortable, we'll get guys ready and prepared,

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Speaker 4: Well, I know you you got some physical corners, right,

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Speaker 5: I just think right now his professionalist, just how he's

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Speaker 5: they're trying to lead by example. And sometimes, as you know, Sean,

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Speaker 5: work ethic, their preparation, their mental focus, their details, and

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Speaker 5: those are the things that were making a difference for

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Speaker 5: practice as well. But cut joking, but he is thirty

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Speaker 5: minutes before and he's doing ball drills. He's doing small

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Speaker 2: We all come into this league learning from.

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Speaker 5: Heck, I'm learning from Mark Kwan right now. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 5: doing a heck of a job. And every day is

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Speaker 5: a new day for us myself, Pops, and we're learning

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Speaker 2: But if you're not learning, you're not growing.

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Speaker 5: And so he has shown that leadership from that just

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Speaker 4: Yeah, when you got a guy doing that, then you know,

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Speaker 5: You can see he's more he's more relaxed. I mean

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Speaker 2: But you can see a debo.

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Speaker 5: When he goes out he is very calm and relaxed,

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Speaker 5: in time, the talent level is going to eat well. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and you better have something. You better have something from

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Speaker 5: And that's the one thing that I think the guys

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Speaker 5: Devo is going his approach is trying to slow the

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Speaker 2: Gives him a chance to go out and play fast.

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Speaker 4: So you mentioned Javon Holland coming over and you know

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Speaker 4: And then you've got your Tyler Newban who's still kind

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Speaker 4: does having both sides of the spectrum on that, how

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Speaker 4: of just being able to do different schemes, different you know,

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Speaker 6: From a cover standpoint, well, you got guys that one

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Speaker 2: But I was just hardb on what I've seen from

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Speaker 5: I mean, this young man has been impressive, like from

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Speaker 5: you got two guys that understand football. They're trying to

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Speaker 5: And when you have two guys that have the ability

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you what I think. The Giants are

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Speaker 4: excited to have you here. Yeah, I know you got

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Speaker 4: a lot of knowledge, and of course you know it

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Speaker 4: always helps to have an another Golden domer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt, coach, I appreciate it. Thanks

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Speaker 2: you having the time.

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Speaker 1: You doing doing all right?

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Speaker 3: How are you? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Giants, one man.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: Glad that you We had some good battles when you're

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Speaker 8: Uh huh, yeah, man, that was that was some good

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you look good in Blue man.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it. I'm happy to be here.

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Speaker 4: So what's it been like coming to the Giants and

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Speaker 8: You know, it's been a good experience for me, you know,

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Speaker 8: for me, being back in this division where it's familiar

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Speaker 3: It's a good group of guys. So it's been great

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Speaker 4: How did you get into coaching, Like, when did you decide,

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Speaker 8: Well, I look for vision, you know, a guy that

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Speaker 4: So when you say vision, you know, just so you know,

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Speaker 8: You have to be able to understand the intent of

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Speaker 8: There's no art behind that to me, that that comes

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Speaker 8: To me, a guy that doesn't concede the fact that

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Speaker 8: And to me, those are usually the best guys that

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Speaker 8: A lot of it starts in the classroom. One you

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about points of pressure. What's our

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Speaker 4: We got some young fans that are going to be

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Speaker 1: Right, No amen, amen to that. Coach Betts appreciate the time. Man,

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Speaker 1: absolutely good luck this year.

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Speaker 3: Thank you,