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Speaker 1: Pats from the Past. Tune in is Matt Smith and

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Speaker 1: Paul Perillo offer in depth interviews with some of the

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Speaker 1: greatest players and coaches in New England Patriots history.

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Speaker 2: Joined by the newitch member of the Patriots Hall Fame

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Speaker 2: Mike Rabol.

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Speaker 1: Find out what led to some of the greatest moments

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Speaker 1: in franchise history and unique behind the scenes insight.

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Speaker 2: And please to be joined by former Patriot quarterback Brian

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Speaker 2: coy Or.

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Speaker 3: Joined by number thirty seven on your scorecard, but number

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Speaker 3: one in our hearts at least Rodney Harrison.

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Speaker 4: Good to be home. Good to see you guys.

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Speaker 1: Search for Pats in the past anywhere you get your podcast?

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Speaker 4: Is that what we're doing? Good? Thanks, she's getting up here.

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Speaker 4: Oh man.

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Speaker 5: The front is special. It's a group of young, talented players.

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Speaker 5: They're playing with a lot of confidence right now. They're physical,

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Speaker 5: they're violent or fast.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 5: I think if you had to circle an area you

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Speaker 5: know for them that you would highlight. It's a defensive line.

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Speaker 6: How do you see you, guys, ybious having an identity

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Speaker 4: I think so.

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Speaker 5: I think the thing that when you when you form

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Speaker 5: an identity. If you don't, you know, make your own identity,

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Speaker 5: people make it for you. So our biggest thing with

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Speaker 5: our identity is consistency right now. You know, we've had

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Speaker 5: I think we just need more consistency overall. But I

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Speaker 5: think I think we know who we are. I think

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Speaker 5: we know the formula to win games. We just have

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Speaker 3: To the one we see the relationship developments being the

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Speaker 4: Goes hand in hand.

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Speaker 5: You know, those guys work together, and obviously those big

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Speaker 5: think our backs have done a nice job of finding

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Speaker 4: Really proud of those guys.

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Speaker 5: Are The offensive line got a game ball last week

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Speaker 5: from their performance. You know, being able to run the

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Speaker 5: in those situations. We felt like we could come out

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Speaker 5: those are like peas in a pod. They work hand

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Speaker 2: It seems like you guys a constant consistency on the

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Speaker 4: I think so.

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Speaker 5: I think we've kind of zeroed in on who we're

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Speaker 5: that'll show more as we go forward. But yeah, consistency

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Speaker 5: again and continuity is something we're still striving to get.

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Speaker 5: I think hopefully this week we'll have a lineup in

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Speaker 2: It went into that decision and might be the place.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're gonna put the guys out there that that

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Speaker 4: He's a big part of this offense.

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Speaker 5: Just felt like there were some areas where he could

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Speaker 4: We have guarding continuity in creating that and enjoying that

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Speaker 2: How much does that expand your play fall in other words,

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Speaker 2: With seven wide receivers, and it seems like none has

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Speaker 5: Has that made it harder as.

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Speaker 4: Number one and two.

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Speaker 5: Everything's a challenge and it does give you, you know,

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Speaker 4: And I think we're getting to see that now.

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Speaker 5: You know, Booty's guy that's come on, played really well

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Speaker 5: Polk's going to get going again as we move forward. Pops,

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Speaker 4: So we're getting closer.

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Speaker 2: Sean, he's been the leading snap get are at wide receiver.

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Speaker 2: Is that based on his consistency or is the position

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Speaker 4: Well a little bit of both.

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Speaker 5: I think he's our most consistent receiver right now making

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Speaker 4: Also, let me talk about identity and formula.

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Speaker 6: How much of this season has been trying to fit

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Speaker 3: We're figuring out the talent we have and the best

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Speaker 4: Move forward with that.

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Speaker 5: Well, everybody has a system, you know, and if it

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Speaker 4: The guys at times. For us, you know, we're a

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Speaker 5: I think we can move people off the ball, so

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Speaker 5: you know, sometimes you get away from some of the

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Speaker 2: It seems obviously there's a lot of good things, but

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's a play he'll that'll haunt him for

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Speaker 5: the rest of the season. That was as easy as

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Speaker 5: each week moving forward, not worried about it. You know,

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Speaker 5: of him as a passer. But that one the other day,

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Speaker 5: I'm not not worried at all about. That was just

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Speaker 5: a you know, AerR and passed by him. That that

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Speaker 4: And getting back in the huddle for a few Absolutely. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: So that'll be one that I'm sure it'll haunt him

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Speaker 5: moving forward. That thing we always say, uh, if nobody's opened,

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Speaker 4: Speak of that.

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Speaker 6: What was it like to practice the reverse sleep flicker,

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Speaker 5: That's fun, that's you know, you should always have something

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Speaker 5: historically in my career of calling that one or watching

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Speaker 4: But forever reason, I think it's about eight yards.

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Speaker 5: But it's fun to practice, you know, going against a

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Speaker 6: attribute the defense evolution the league to coach McVay specifically

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Speaker 6: done with with his system and obviously the copycats that

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Speaker 6: But you know, defensively, yeah, reaction to his system and

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Speaker 6: how effective it was as soon as he got there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. No, you talked about defensive systems.

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Speaker 3: Change, how much you ascribe to him versus Yeah.

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Speaker 5: No, I mean their defenses they do some unique things

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Speaker 5: for sure. You know, defensively they present problems. Again, their

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Speaker 5: some different looks that I haven't seen this year or

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Speaker 5: in years past. There's some similarities and the personnel groupings,

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Speaker 5: they've definitely evolved in the system. I think it's unique

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Speaker 5: on how they run their system.

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Speaker 2: Marsa Jacobs kind of fame outs perhaps in seasons.

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Speaker 5: He's played left, he's played right. He's done great things.

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Speaker 5: He won the pick Up Award this week, so hats

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Speaker 4: It's a really good season.

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Speaker 2: Defense Shuless guy who's been under different four games. He

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Speaker 3: He's a tough to.

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Speaker 2: Go against, the guy who really doesn't have a kind

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Speaker 5: Sometimes it's easy to hone in on a guy that

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Speaker 4: Uh, you know, some Fangio in there as well.

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Speaker 5: You see a lot of different influences and they do

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Speaker 4: Its earlier in the season.

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Speaker 3: I got to the first test game. You said Drake's

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Speaker 4: Have you seen from a big growth?

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Speaker 5: There was a play there late in the game to

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Speaker 4: So he's really just continuing to grow. Three final questions

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and those situations right shape.

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Speaker 4: That's clinic tape that went right on the you know

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Speaker 4: I was really proud of the guys that come.

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Speaker 5: From Yeah, there's nothing that frustrates me more than watching

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Speaker 5: we asked these guys to be great teammates, run of

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Speaker 5: And that's that's the mentality that we have. We play

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Speaker 4: We call it for our brothers in the room, and we.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think we had eighty five guys that

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Speaker 5: We had fifty eight different players that got picked up

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: But where the Patriots are concerned, Let's just get one

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