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Speaker 2: USC lost Juju Watkins for the rest of the tournament
Speaker 2: due to a knee injury looks like a torn acl
Speaker 2: and this is when the sport loses. There are times
Speaker 2: when there's injuries, but then there's injuries that hurt the
Speaker 2: entire sport. When Tiger was out for a variety of
Speaker 2: reasons or had surgeries, or the car accident, like the
Speaker 2: sport is hurt Brady when he blew out his knee,
Speaker 2: or maybe Peyton Manning when he had neck surgery. The
Speaker 2: entire sport loses. And that was the case last night
Speaker 2: for Juju Watkins, because if you look at the chain
Speaker 2: of command, Paige Beckers was the national player.
Speaker 3: Of the year in high school.
Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark was in that same class, but this was
Speaker 2: Paige Beckers as the national player of the year as
Speaker 2: a freshmen, and then all of a sudden she had
Speaker 2: a couple of these surgeries. Then that paved the way
Speaker 2: for Caitlin Clark to take the baton and the next
Speaker 2: three years she was the face of college basketball. And
Speaker 2: then you had Juju Watkins last year who was starting
Speaker 2: to become the face of college basketball. She is the
Speaker 2: face of college basketball right now. You can't watch the
Speaker 2: tournaments without seeing her on a variety of commercials there.
Speaker 2: In fact, after she got injured, they go to a
Speaker 2: commercial break and it's a Nike commercial featuring her. She's
Speaker 2: gonna be in college basketball for the next couple of years.
Speaker 2: You have to wait until you're a senior to go
Speaker 2: to the WNBA. You have built in stars. They're here
Speaker 2: for a while, you get to know them. And for
Speaker 2: Juju Watkins, she was going to be the next And
Speaker 2: I said this earlier this season. She could turn out
Speaker 2: to be better than Caitlin Clark as far as a
Speaker 2: basketball player, not the phenomenon, but as far as a
Speaker 2: basketball player, she could turn out to be better than her.
Speaker 2: Women have come back from these surgeries. Paige Becker's has
Speaker 2: come back. If you've talked to doctors or you have children,
Speaker 2: you know, women seem to be more susceptible to these
Speaker 2: kind of knee injuries, believe it or not. And having
Speaker 2: had six surgeries on one knee, just the ability to
Speaker 2: try to come back, try to come back at a
Speaker 2: high level, try to come back and be normal whatever
Speaker 2: that is. You know, it's a challenge, but modern medicine
Speaker 2: has made incredible strides here. Juju Watkins, this will be
Speaker 2: a while for her to come back because the season's
Speaker 2: almost over here with the tournament, now you have surgery
Speaker 2: probably right away. But it was a shame to see
Speaker 2: that because you were going to have Connecticut and USC
Speaker 2: probably meet each other in the Elite eight. And I
Speaker 2: know that people were critical of the tournament and how
Speaker 2: they scheduled it last year, were like, why would you
Speaker 2: have you know, Iowa playing LSU before, you know, maybe
Speaker 2: in the final. No, you want to make sure that
Speaker 2: they meet, and they did, and they wanted to have
Speaker 2: Yukon and USC meet. So it's Pagebackers against Juju Watkins.
Speaker 2: And look that USC team is really really good team
Speaker 2: between UCLA and USC, really really talented, deep teams, and
Speaker 2: you know, just a shame because you want to see
Speaker 2: the great players. But this hurt the sport last night.
Speaker 2: And even after Yukon won in page Beckers in her
Speaker 2: final home appearance at thirty four, it's like, hey, we
Speaker 2: got to wrap this up. To Gino Oriema because USC
Speaker 2: and Juju are going to start. He goes, oh, well,
Speaker 2: let's wrap it up now. I want to go watch her.
Speaker 2: This is what it sounded like last night when she
Speaker 2: ended her tournament.
Speaker 3: Russell top of the key down the left side of
Speaker 3: the lane, goes up on you again.
Speaker 4: I think the Latkins were USC's down the right side
Speaker 4: of the lane, and then she grabs her leftnee as
Speaker 4: she goes down. Watkins is building of the underside of
Speaker 4: her left knee and a lot of pain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably a tourney. They'll do an MRI if they
Speaker 2: haven't already done it. Maybe let the swelling go down.
Speaker 2: Here's her head coach, Lisa Gottlieb on the injury.
Speaker 5: I don't have an update on Juju because I know
Speaker 5: that's what you all want to know, other than what
Speaker 5: the statement that was put out at halftime that she's
Speaker 5: getting incredible medical care from our you know, Kech Medicine
Speaker 5: and the people at USC and our trainers and doctors.
Speaker 5: But I am, I mean, I'm feeling a lot of emotions. Obviously,
Speaker 5: I don't think I'll you know, forget, forget this night
Speaker 5: for a lot of reasons.
Speaker 2: So that's you know that that's your tournament where you're
Speaker 2: get caught up in the emotion of it, but you
Speaker 2: still have to think of your players, and that's what
Speaker 2: that's what was happening last night. This was a loss
Speaker 2: for the sport itself. So she's out, but Yukon advances.
Speaker 2: I'm watching LSU against Florida State. I think it was
Speaker 2: a one point game at half. To next thing, I know,
Speaker 2: LSU's up like thirty. I'm like, what happened?
Speaker 3: What happened?
Speaker 2: So you know, there's a lot of momentum around the
Speaker 2: women's tournament. And did I have coach Gottlieb's name right,
Speaker 2: Marvin Lindsay? Yeah, Okay, what did I say, Lisa?
Speaker 3: Oh? Okay, Lindsay Gottlieb, the USC head coach. My bad
Speaker 3: e on me?
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I have a poll question here coming up,
Speaker 2: phone calls as well, a couple other things. It's mandatory,
Speaker 2: I think to a quarterback on his pro day that
Speaker 2: you roll left and throw back right and throw for
Speaker 2: sixty yards to a receiver that nobody's covering. And you
Speaker 2: know it's the Zach Wilson. You know Mahomes did this too.
Speaker 2: Where you go, oh my god, did you see that?
Speaker 2: I think it happens a lot more with a lot
Speaker 2: of these quarterbacks. Most of them can throw the ball.
Speaker 2: Fifty to sixty yards. Is it tough going left and
Speaker 2: throwing back right. Yes, but I'm assuming that most of
Speaker 2: these guys have pretty good arms to play the position.
Speaker 2: And you saw that with cam Ward yesterday.
Speaker 3: It's oh my god, look at that.
Speaker 2: It's the role left throwback right, and that's all you need. Now,
Speaker 2: Now we can solidify cam Ward is the number one
Speaker 2: overall pick. Here is cam Ward talking about going to
Speaker 2: the Titans.
Speaker 6: I said, I'm solidifying it today.
Speaker 7: They heard you. I made sure they heard me.
Speaker 3: So I guess off that tip.
Speaker 8: The Titans obviously have the number one overall pick.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 10: They like you, they've had you in the building.
Speaker 3: What did you want to show them today?
Speaker 6: I said, not only showing number every other team, just
Speaker 6: throwing on rhythm when there's three steps on rhythm, five
Speaker 6: steps on rhythm for under in the gun heavy play action, uh,
Speaker 6: you know, gun five with movement outside of the poet.
Speaker 6: Just showing them all, you know under center stuff that
Speaker 6: I didn't get to show as much during the season.
Speaker 3: Let me know that I'm capable of it.
Speaker 2: The gun five. I'm ready, sign me up. He's got me,
Speaker 2: got my attention. He was very confident yesterday and if
Speaker 2: you're an NFL team like you want that. You want
Speaker 2: the confidence of hey there you go, take me and
Speaker 2: unless somebody else wants to trade Hub for me. And
Speaker 2: I started to think about this that cam Ward you
Speaker 2: know now is when you got people's jobs on the line.
Speaker 2: This is where you get real analysis behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: I'm not talking that was courtesy of the NFL network.
Speaker 2: This is about people who are going to tell the
Speaker 2: team yes or no. Because let's go back to Shador
Speaker 2: and cam Ward man one two, I don't know is
Speaker 2: it shardor cam is it camp all along? It feels
Speaker 2: like those who do this for a living thought cam
Speaker 2: Ward was a different quarterback than Shadoor Sanders. That's why
Speaker 2: you saw Jackson Dart start to move up. It's because
Speaker 2: when the professionals get in there, not us the armchair
Speaker 2: analyst or scouts, you get the people who are really
Speaker 2: making decisions for their teams and jobs are on the line.
Speaker 2: That's why you get sometimes this separation where you go,
Speaker 2: well wait a minute, now, should or Sanders might not
Speaker 2: go in the first.
Speaker 3: Round, but wait they were one two.
Speaker 2: Well it's because these are the people who do this,
Speaker 2: They get paid to do this. Their jobs are at
Speaker 2: stake when they do this. Now you get it. It's
Speaker 2: becoming real, and you're going to have other draft picks
Speaker 2: who might be rising or falling. But it's because now
Speaker 2: the real people are analyzing this. And I was wondering
Speaker 2: about this with Shadoor Sanders. Cleveland needs a quarterback, right,
Speaker 2: Cleveland does need a quarterback. Now, I've been told that
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins is probably still going to be in Cleveland
Speaker 2: at some point after the draft, depending on what Cleveland does.
Speaker 2: If Cleveland doesn't take shad or Sanders, to me, that
Speaker 2: says they're going to get Kirk Cousins because maybe they
Speaker 2: don't feel Shadoor as a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 3: Maybe you get.
Speaker 2: Travis Hunter, maybe you get Abdul Carter, Maybe get somebody
Speaker 2: who's going to play. Imagine Abdul Carter with that team
Speaker 2: with Miles Garrett. Okay, got my attention. I don't know
Speaker 2: if Shador Sanders can play right now and Cleveland needs
Speaker 2: a quarterback, Okay, then you would think they would take
Speaker 2: Shador Sanders. I still think that Kirk Cousins now he
Speaker 2: has no trade and I think eventually after the draft
Speaker 2: he would go to the Falcons and say I would
Speaker 2: like to be traded. You know, he's getting paid to
Speaker 2: be a backup quarterback, getting paid handsomely to be a
Speaker 2: backup quarterback. But I was just I would just keep
Speaker 2: an eye on that. You know, the Giants need a
Speaker 2: quarterback too, Do they take Shador Sanders if Cleveland doesn't
Speaker 2: feels like he's going to go.
Speaker 3: To the Giants?
Speaker 2: But then you have analysts at the Mothership who's saying
Speaker 2: late first round, maybe a second day draft pick. So
Speaker 2: that's a wide disparity here, and that's why you got
Speaker 2: teams that hit on draft picks and teams that whiff
Speaker 2: because of these opinions right now. And that's what's interesting
Speaker 2: but also scary where you go we're looking you know
Speaker 2: when you go to an art museum and you're looking
Speaker 2: at the same painting and you're going, what is that?
Speaker 2: Or you get somebody to go, oh, it's beautiful. We're
Speaker 2: looking at the same thing, but you see it differently
Speaker 2: than I do. And I still think that they're you know,
Speaker 2: shad Or may have a comeback here. You know, he
Speaker 2: had the smear campaign that I talked about. Now he
Speaker 2: might have a little revitalization here where it's like he'll
Speaker 2: come back. They'll talk about his personality, they'll talk about
Speaker 2: his talents. You know, this is when he might have
Speaker 2: a comeback of swords, which is still weird because he
Speaker 2: hasn't played a game in months. But this is when
Speaker 2: it's really interesting in this world. And thankfully I have
Speaker 2: somebody that I've trusted for years now to just help
Speaker 2: me look at We're looking at the same thing. It's
Speaker 2: you know, I brought this up when he said Michael
Speaker 2: Parsons is the best player in the draft. He said,
Speaker 2: but there's baggage that goes along with him. When he
Speaker 2: said Quentin Nelson at Notre Dame is the meanest guy
Speaker 2: in the draft, he'll be a Hall of Famer. Okay,
Speaker 2: well he ended up being. He's been pretty good, and
Speaker 2: Michael Parson's been pretty good. But I think that's the
Speaker 2: key is I just want somebody who does this for
Speaker 2: a little They know what they're looking at.
Speaker 3: I don't. I'll go back to when we were.
Speaker 2: Whose pro day was it that we were told later
Speaker 2: that he got pushed around, went to the Texans Javian clowning,
Speaker 2: and I remember everybody was like gushing, and so I
Speaker 2: ended up talking to my source and he goes, no
Speaker 2: lower body, and I go and he goes, he'll get
Speaker 2: pushed around. He had one incredible play in a Bowl
Speaker 2: game and everybody thought, oh my gosh, can you imagine
Speaker 2: maybe that single number two always looks intimidating seven? Yeah, like, man,
Speaker 2: he's wearing seven, he must be really good. And Davian
Speaker 2: Clowney has had a decent professional career, but nowhere near
Speaker 2: living up to the hype of what his pro day was.
Speaker 2: And here's somebody telling you his lower body he doesn't
Speaker 2: have a you know, you can move him.
Speaker 3: That was the expression.
Speaker 10: Yes, Marvin, the measurables for him too, like oh he's
Speaker 10: six five two seventy and he could run a four
Speaker 10: to four whatever he ran in that big hit. It
Speaker 10: all kind of came together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one play and it was like, man, I'm sold.
Speaker 2: Well came in unblocked, I think right. It was just
Speaker 2: he ran and hit the Michigan running back and you're like, yeah, well,
Speaker 2: I want to know can you make moves? Can you
Speaker 2: overpower somebody to make those plays if you just give
Speaker 2: him a free you know, head, start free run at him.
Speaker 2: Looking back on it, maybe not as impressive. Yes, se
Speaker 2: to be fair, it was an an awesome play. It
Speaker 2: was all of a hit.
Speaker 11: It was, And there are a million dudes in the
Speaker 11: world who don't outlive the hype of one great play
Speaker 11: in college. He seems to wear that more than anybody.
Speaker 11: But there are a lot of people. Did Desmond Howard
Speaker 11: really become a better pro than he was in college?
Speaker 11: Probably not. There's a million dudes like that. But for
Speaker 11: some reason, Jadevan Clowney is like, yeah, but yeah.
Speaker 2: But nobody gushed over Desmond Howard's pro day. The Mothership
Speaker 2: sent a team for his pro day. Yeah, but I
Speaker 2: look at it as the hype look at him. Hell yeah,
Speaker 2: of course. Yes, dude looks like a superhero. He's like
Speaker 2: straight out of a Marvel movie. Yes, but they weren't
Speaker 2: looking at him as a football player, you know, the
Speaker 2: way some scouts did that he he can be overpowered
Speaker 2: because he has no lower byty, Like I never would
Speaker 2: have thought that. But I got guys from the Mothership
Speaker 2: who just said, oh my god, I remember that afternoon.
Speaker 2: They were you know, this is one of the great
Speaker 2: pro days of all time. It's in the eye of
Speaker 2: the beholder. That's the tricky part of this. I watched
Speaker 2: cam Ward play at three different colleges and I wanted
Speaker 2: him like he had the ball and he was going
Speaker 2: to make him play a winner. I would say he's
Speaker 2: he reminds me a little of Air McNair that he
Speaker 2: just he knows how to play football. He knows how
Speaker 2: to play the position. I don't know if he's going
Speaker 2: to be as good as Air McNair, but that's the
Speaker 2: feeling I got when I watch him, like there are
Speaker 2: just certain guys where you go, he'll somehow find a
Speaker 2: way to win.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Pulley.
Speaker 12: The clowney hit was against Michigan in the Outback Bowl
Speaker 12: and the running back was Vincent Smith. Yeah, I'm watching
Speaker 12: the play. It looks like something in a sports movie
Speaker 12: about football where there's a guy that's too big and
Speaker 12: you'd make look what he did?
Speaker 3: Yeah, does look real.
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Speaker 3: You knew it when you saw it.
Speaker 2: If you watched it live, you knew Juju Watkins had
Speaker 2: suffered a severe knee injury. Now we're finding out that
Speaker 2: she did tear her acl. USC did advance, but they
Speaker 2: will have to advance without Juju Watkins as she will
Speaker 2: be out for the rest of the tournament and for
Speaker 2: quite a few months of rehab. Show have surgery immediately
Speaker 2: and they'll try to move on without her. And you know,
Speaker 2: the selection committee did set it up that USC was
Speaker 2: going to play Connecticut in the Elite eight. And you know,
Speaker 2: this was the same philosophy with Iowa and LSU last year,
Speaker 2: where why not wait and let them play in the
Speaker 2: National Champion You want to ensure that they get to play,
Speaker 2: And Iowa and LSU lived up to that billing, and
Speaker 2: we were hoping for another rematch with USC and Yukon.
Speaker 2: Yukon won big last night and Paige Becker's her last game,
Speaker 2: her home game, and you know, you start to see
Speaker 2: because the women are there for four years, sometimes five
Speaker 2: years if they get injured. Page Becker's gone through a
Speaker 2: couple of surgeries, and you could see the emotion on
Speaker 2: Geno Orim's face and I you know, it kind of
Speaker 2: came out of nowhere, but he realized right there that
Speaker 2: she he was saying goodbye to her on her home
Speaker 2: turf at Yukon And you know when we see college
Speaker 2: athletes now, certainly in basketball, you're wont and done. So
Speaker 2: there's not that relationship with the fans of the coaches.
Speaker 2: It's a six month process. There you're dealing with years
Speaker 2: and everything, the highs and lows that go into that,
Speaker 2: and that's where it is a business. But then there's
Speaker 2: still that personal attachment that you see with some coaches,
Speaker 2: some players, a community, and you saw that with Paige
Speaker 2: Beckers last night. But she gets to continue to play
Speaker 2: while Jugi Watkins is out for well quite some time.
Speaker 2: You know, it's probably seven months having torn an acl
Speaker 2: but I wasn't coming back to anything. You know, it's
Speaker 2: a long, long process. And as great as she's been
Speaker 2: the face of the sport, all of these commercials you know,
Speaker 2: I'm watching this morning, she's there with the you know,
Speaker 2: they're they're promoting March Madness for the women. She's got
Speaker 2: a State Farm commercial, got a Nike commercial. I mean,
Speaker 2: she is a this is one of those not just
Speaker 2: a basketball player. She's more than that. And playing in
Speaker 2: Los Angeles, she had become the face of the sport
Speaker 2: and she brought out celebrities. You know, Jaden Daniels coming
Speaker 2: out this year. You know, she's that kind of magnetic personality, talent. Yes, Marvin,
Speaker 2: If you're the.
Speaker 10: Head of women's college basketball at the NCAA, what do
Speaker 10: you guys do as far as focusing your attention on
Speaker 10: another player like hadaal Go from Norre Dame, Like, what
Speaker 10: do you guys do just focus on South Carolina as
Speaker 10: a whole?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, do you change your focus to go more
Speaker 2: Connecticut centric?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: South Carolina doesn't have that one. They have a lot
Speaker 2: of players that's really their coach LSU. It's about their
Speaker 2: coach for the most part, although they do have the Johnson. Yes,
Speaker 2: she's she's a she's a talent, she's personality, got a
Speaker 2: music career. You know, she's a good basketball player, you know,
Speaker 2: bets at U c l A. But I you know,
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know how ESPN is going to
Speaker 2: sell this spin this now and to be because it
Speaker 2: was gonna be about Juju Watkins that she was going
Speaker 2: to be leading her team to a national championship.
Speaker 12: Yeah, Paulin, Yeah, flaj Johnson for LSU. She's on a
Speaker 12: lot of ads. She's in like a financial services and
Speaker 12: You're like, how to manage your money and it's not
Speaker 12: in theory. She's actually dealing with this at twenty years old.
Speaker 3: All right, age seven seven to three.
Speaker 2: DP show email address Dpadanpatrick dot com, Twitter handle at
Speaker 2: DP show we stumbled upon a Is your school a
Speaker 2: basketball school or a football school? You may want your
Speaker 2: school because I was thinking of Arkansas. Arkansas they want
Speaker 2: to be a football school, but they're a basketball school.
Speaker 2: You're in SEC country and you desperately want to be
Speaker 2: a football school. I get it, but you're not. You know,
Speaker 2: Kentucky is a basketball school. If they've had success in football,
Speaker 2: they want to be a basketball school. They're fine with
Speaker 2: being a basketball school. Indiana would like to be a
Speaker 2: basketball school.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 2: It's sort of like, wait a minute, come on, football team,
Speaker 2: don't get too good because we don't even make the
Speaker 2: tournament here. But yeah, so everybody getting territorial here. I
Speaker 2: don't want to hear about. Well, Arkansas back in the
Speaker 2: sixty you know, nineteen sixty nine playing for a national
Speaker 2: championship in football, Yeah, I got it. Jerry Jones and
Speaker 2: Jimmy Johnson played for I got it with that, I
Speaker 2: would say. Nolan Richardson you know Eric Musselman now coach
Speaker 2: count I mean that was the point. You're looking at
Speaker 2: Arkansas in the sweet sixteen and they're a basketball school.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no shame in it, Like you have
Speaker 2: to Oregon. Oregon to me is a football school, even
Speaker 2: though they're having more success. It feels like basketball wise,
Speaker 2: usc football school but not having great success as a
Speaker 2: football school. But historically I'm talking about now like it
Speaker 2: is Utah. Utah is a football school, right, Arizona basketball school,
Speaker 2: Florida State football school even though they haven't been here's
Speaker 2: one North Carolina. North Carolina a basketball school or football school.
Speaker 3: Marvin basketball.
Speaker 10: Okay, they've won national titles in the last ten years.
Speaker 12: Yeah, pull overwhelmingly basketball, but the coverage lately is about
Speaker 12: their football team positively.
Speaker 2: South Carolina women's basketball. No, I know that's what they
Speaker 2: might be known for. But are they a football score
Speaker 2: or a basketball school?
Speaker 11: Well, just you don't need to say women's is just
Speaker 11: a basketball school, okay, because that would include the women's.
Speaker 10: Well, they're terrible in men's basketball, so that's why I
Speaker 10: only said the women they're average.
Speaker 2: Although they were one of the two teams out of
Speaker 2: the SEC that didn't make the tournament.
Speaker 3: Jamie. That's embarrassing, Jamie. And Ohiowa. I mean that's yes,
Speaker 3: of course everybody made it, but us. Hey Jamie take Morton.
Speaker 14: That was my question. That's ironically you guys are talking
Speaker 14: about juju and then you bring up women's basketball, because
Speaker 14: that's what I was going to ask. I wanted to
Speaker 14: hear your opinion is like South Carolina when you think
Speaker 14: of don Stay, do you think of South Carolina as
Speaker 14: a football school or a women's basketball school? Or like
Speaker 14: last year when our women went on a couple runs,
Speaker 14: were we a football school in Iowa? Or were we
Speaker 14: a women's basketball school?
Speaker 2: You were a women's basketball school the last couple of
Speaker 2: years plus you were seeing so much offense on the
Speaker 2: women's basketball team and no offense on the football team.
Speaker 7: Way too soon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Tod, thank you. Vin in Kansas, I Vin.
Speaker 15: Hey, good on, guys.
Speaker 16: How are you doing so?
Speaker 15: I'm calling as a Kansas State graduate. You know, up
Speaker 15: until Bill Schneyer, Case State was just a basketball school,
Speaker 15: and now I consider it's probably a football school. Likewise,
Speaker 15: my own jere to meet Ku hasn't really been able
Speaker 15: to produce a football team even though they spent money
Speaker 15: on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kansas is still a basketball school as long as
Speaker 2: Bill self is there k State. I'd say a football school. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I m'd say a football school.
Speaker 3: Shuffles in Phoenix High Shuffles, good.
Speaker 16: Morning, Good morning, Pat. I've never called it into the
Speaker 16: Pat Patrick Show, but this is awesome and I want
Speaker 16: to I'm here to say Arizona, which I'm a fan of,
Speaker 16: and I know Dan, you and Marvin want to disparage them,
Speaker 16: but I think Arizona is a football school during football
Speaker 16: season and a basketball school during basketball season.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, you can't do it that way. Shuffles, and
Speaker 2: I don't disparage Arizona. Arizona does a good job disparaging
Speaker 2: themselves when it comes to basketball.
Speaker 16: We should have three national championships. I don't know what
Speaker 16: happened in nineteen ninety. In two thousand and one, Don
Speaker 16: Levyg you went off on the Steph Curry before Steph Curry.
Speaker 16: I don't even know where Mike ben Levy Junior. It
Speaker 16: is not but that should have never happened. We should
Speaker 16: have had three national championships.
Speaker 3: But you but you don't. You don't.
Speaker 2: Mike Dunleavy Junior, is the GM of the Golden State Warriors.
Speaker 10: Yes, Todd, I think they stopped giving out They should
Speaker 10: have awards a long time ago.
Speaker 2: We should have won quite a few sports that man, right, Yeah, yeah, ball.
Speaker 12: The job you want is a football coach at a
Speaker 12: basketball school. So let's say you're the football coach at Kentucky.
Speaker 3: You win eight games. Everyone's happy.
Speaker 12: No one's gonna get upset, Mark, Stoops, how long has
Speaker 12: he He's been there?
Speaker 3: Twelve years? Stoops? There it is at Kentucky.
Speaker 12: And he'll go five and seven, seven and six. Then
Speaker 12: he'll throw out a ten and three. Yeah, everyone's happy.
Speaker 12: He gets an extension.
Speaker 3: It's like being the head football coach at Duke.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, it's like, oh, look at you what
Speaker 2: you guys did, Like you know, you pat him.
Speaker 3: On the head, look at what you did. Just be
Speaker 3: above five hundred.
Speaker 11: Yes, those schools are like, hey, I think we got
Speaker 11: a guy this year that's actually pretty good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, like it's nice.
Speaker 2: Bubbled up like I think we got a guy this year.
Speaker 2: We got a guy named Danny Dimes. Yeah, yes, yes, Mark.
Speaker 10: Remember a few years back, Kansas went to the Orange
Speaker 10: Bowl and I was like, Kansas give that guy a
Speaker 10: lifetime extension.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like you've got to go back to the
Speaker 2: Gaels Sayers days like Kansas. Yeah, heck yeah, uh let
Speaker 2: me see Aiden in Utah, Aiden in Utah?
Speaker 16: Hey man, how's it going?
Speaker 17: First and foremost?
Speaker 16: University of Utah is a ski school? Okay?
Speaker 15: Sixteen national championship? Yeah, I we went seventh straight.
Speaker 16: Okay, my batid.
Speaker 2: Aiden, My apologies, my apologies. I didn't realize how dominant, yeah,
Speaker 2: that they've been in skiing.
Speaker 16: Thank you?
Speaker 2: Okay, I think he accepted my apology. They're the UCLA
Speaker 2: basketball of skiing Utah.
Speaker 3: My bad should have known that.
Speaker 2: Although if you ask the athletic director, what do you
Speaker 2: want to be known as? You know, we're the skiing school,
Speaker 2: or do you want to be known as a football school.
Speaker 3: We want we're going to change our name to ski.
Speaker 2: You Jim in Michigan and people are getting territorial here,
Speaker 2: Hey Jim, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 3: Not too much, Danny, good morning. Uh, you know, Michigan, I'm.
Speaker 8: Gonna say Michigan football school, and not even just because
Speaker 8: you know, even though we're playing great basketball right now.
Speaker 8: When you're the word Michigan, you automatically think of the
Speaker 8: big House.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think of the helmets. Yeah. Absolutely, Let me
Speaker 3: see Caleb in Augusta. Hi, Caleb?
Speaker 7: All right?
Speaker 17: Dan, six two sixty And question for you and the boys.
Speaker 17: How many championships would Bill Belichick have to win at
Speaker 17: UNC for it to be considered a football school over
Speaker 17: a basketball school?
Speaker 9: One?
Speaker 3: Thank thank you?
Speaker 2: K Yes, if Bill Belichick wins a national championship in
Speaker 2: North Carolina, they're a football.
Speaker 7: School out of Carolina.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, they may not want that, but they
Speaker 2: would be viewed as if they would be viewed as
Speaker 2: a football.
Speaker 11: And made Michael Jordan that they're never going to be
Speaker 11: a football school.
Speaker 2: Ever, they didn't make Michael. Football team is wearing a
Speaker 2: Jordan logo. They kept Jordan down. Yes, they didn't make him.
Speaker 2: They kept him down.
Speaker 10: Never will Carolina be a football never.
Speaker 2: They could win three straight and they're still If North
Speaker 2: Carolina won three straight national titles in football, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2: But the basketball team, you know, they just barely they
Speaker 2: limped in. They trickled into the first four, yes, mark, But.
Speaker 10: They went to the final four in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 10: so it's not like they've been on a forty year downside.
Speaker 3: Okay, So when's their last national title.
Speaker 10: I'm gonna say twenty seventeen.
Speaker 12: Okay, yes, Paul, Yeah, North Carolina in the past twenty
Speaker 12: five years had two seasons with ten or more wins. Yeah,
Speaker 12: if they won a title in football, they'd be like
Speaker 12: renting themselves as like a temp as a football school
Speaker 12: and like a holding patternutil basketball took over.
Speaker 3: Be a pretty big deal.
Speaker 2: If they won a national title at North Carolina, You
Speaker 2: got that right.
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just putting it.
Speaker 11: Would be a pretty like a devastating blow to NIL. Actually,
Speaker 11: they'd be like, okay, now nil has gone too far.
Speaker 3: If these dudes are winning, if this school is winning.
Speaker 2: A national championship in football, we need to curbnil right now. Look,
Speaker 2: if Belichick's girlfriend is running the collective, they're going to win.
Speaker 2: She's gonna make some deals. She's gonna get some things
Speaker 2: done there behind the scenes, guaranteed. I mean, if you
Speaker 2: get Bill Belichick to lie on his back on the
Speaker 2: beach and hold you up like you're an airplane, she
Speaker 2: can do anything. It's like, hey, Bill, yeah, how about
Speaker 2: you lie on your back and we let something go viral?
Speaker 3: What's viral?
Speaker 2: No, it'll go all around the internet. Oh, so it's
Speaker 2: not something I have wrong with me a condition? No, no, no,
Speaker 2: you wanted to go viral. Okay, you lie on your
Speaker 2: back in the sand with your shorts on and those
Speaker 2: big muscular thighs and then you hold me up and
Speaker 2: then I'm gonna be like I'm flying.
Speaker 3: Okay. If she can get him to do that, come on.
Speaker 12: Yeah, Paul Bill's girlfriend would be like, who's Michael Jordan?
Speaker 3: Is that? It seems you know his name is the
Speaker 3: same as the Jordan brand. Imagine that you played basketball.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Tom I is oh joining us on the program. What's
Speaker 2: your schedule today?
Speaker 7: My schedule.
Speaker 18: I got in here about seven seven thirty and had
Speaker 18: a little film work, answered some Texas and then talk
Speaker 18: to my staff about what we're going to do in
Speaker 18: practice and get a press conference in a little bit,
Speaker 18: some our staff meeting, and then practice.
Speaker 7: That's my day.
Speaker 3: How's the voice.
Speaker 7: It's great. Great, get a little sleep. He got a
Speaker 7: little sleep last night for the first time night before.
Speaker 7: Not much.
Speaker 18: But it's the same as every other coach, and just
Speaker 18: I'm a little older.
Speaker 7: Than some of them.
Speaker 2: The balance of coaching this week and the transfer portal,
Speaker 2: how do you focus on one when you need to
Speaker 2: and the other one when you need to?
Speaker 18: Yeah, you know, I'm putting everything towards my team.
Speaker 7: I owe them to that.
Speaker 18: I think, you know, recruiting is very important. The transfer
Speaker 18: portal to me isn't as important yet, but recruiting is
Speaker 18: very important. And yet my old boss used to have
Speaker 18: a theory says, problem with young assistants. They spend so
Speaker 18: much time getting the next player they forget to take
Speaker 18: care of the one they got. And I think there's
Speaker 18: some validity to that. You know, there's a happy medium.
Speaker 18: My happy medium when you get to the sweet sixteen
Speaker 18: and on is you.
Speaker 7: Know you don't always get here.
Speaker 18: So everything's going to be from my team, the players
Speaker 18: on my team. We'll let everybody else worry about the
Speaker 18: transfer portal. Hopefully winning helps somebody, even though you and
Speaker 18: I know it doesn't.
Speaker 7: It's all about the money now, But that's OK.
Speaker 2: Two, But help me with the philosophy of recruiting, because
Speaker 2: you don't have many one of Don's, like Jason Richardson
Speaker 2: was a one and done. I don't do you go
Speaker 2: at you know, do you try to go after the
Speaker 2: one and donners or do you have that philosophy of
Speaker 2: I'll take the guy who might stay here three or
Speaker 2: four years.
Speaker 7: No, I'd love to.
Speaker 18: Have Jaron Jackson, Miles Bridges, you know, where guys Gary
Speaker 18: Harris that were one in two years and done. And
Speaker 18: you know, you got to have some those kind of
Speaker 18: talented players, you know, to do that. But no, I
Speaker 18: don't shy away from that at all. It's just they're
Speaker 18: not as easy to get.
Speaker 7: You know, for the.
Speaker 18: Most part, A lot of those programs, you know, Duke
Speaker 18: and Kentucky has had more of those kind of players.
Speaker 7: Maybe Kansas some, But I don't think there's as.
Speaker 18: Many programs as you think there are that are getting
Speaker 18: those kind of players.
Speaker 3: How do you coach differently in March than November?
Speaker 7: You know, I don't think I coached that much different.
Speaker 18: I just think that there's kind of a culture and
Speaker 18: a feel here that when it comes to February, everybody
Speaker 18: knows the NCAA Tournament.
Speaker 7: We've had some success in it, and I think I think.
Speaker 18: The players that come here expect everything to be ratcheted
Speaker 18: up a little bit as you get to the end
Speaker 18: of the year, and it's exciting. It's not a you know,
Speaker 18: like my players after we won on Sunday, the first
Speaker 18: thing they said in the locker room, because usually we
Speaker 18: give them Monday off is let's practice Monday. That came
Speaker 18: from the players, you know, so they know what time
Speaker 18: of year it is and they know what they got
Speaker 18: to do.
Speaker 2: Is Michigan State a football school or a basketball school?
Speaker 18: It's a football school, which I think ninety percent of
Speaker 18: these schools are. You know, we all I have such
Speaker 18: a great relationship with all the football guys here. I've
Speaker 18: always had a great relationship with them because I realized
Speaker 18: that they're still making seventy percent of the money. What
Speaker 18: I think is unique about Michigan's eight and there's a
Speaker 18: couple of schools that have this, is we've been pretty
Speaker 18: successful in both. You know, nine years ago we both
Speaker 18: went to a Final four. Those are what's really exciting
Speaker 18: about schools like this.
Speaker 2: Ever coached against a coach that you don't like, like.
Speaker 7: Sure, sure you do.
Speaker 18: Even though I get along with most of the coaches,
Speaker 18: but there's coaches I wouldn't say, don't like. Maybe I
Speaker 18: didn't respect as much because of things that were going on.
Speaker 18: Now that's changed now because we don't have any rules anymore.
Speaker 18: So you know, it's easier now. I get like everybody.
Speaker 2: Okay, but if you know such, so are we talking
Speaker 2: about if somebody was cheating, Like you're going to face
Speaker 2: somebody and you know they were cheating, that's when you
Speaker 2: have that I don't respect you.
Speaker 18: That's what I have privately. I don't share that publicly
Speaker 18: very often, but I mean, but.
Speaker 2: What's it like in the handshake line? You don't walk
Speaker 2: by and go cheater and then just good game, good game,
Speaker 2: good game, cheater, good game, good game.
Speaker 7: Yeah. I don't do that at all.
Speaker 18: I think I respect every coach I go against, because
Speaker 18: even the guys that I thought were doing stuff back
Speaker 18: in the day, I know how hard these jobs are.
Speaker 18: And Judge used to say the game makes fools of
Speaker 18: us all well, that there's some truth to that.
Speaker 2: When's the last time you ask Magic Johnson to help
Speaker 2: you with the recruit.
Speaker 7: I'll ask them all the time, but I really don't
Speaker 7: have to ask him. You know, he's always tweeting out
Speaker 7: something or he's saying something.
Speaker 18: And you know, now they're actually allowed to help you
Speaker 18: legally if you come to campus and they get there.
Speaker 18: It used to be where, you know, if you had
Speaker 18: a football game and just happened that magic seats were
Speaker 18: behind the recruits seat. But now you can sit them
Speaker 18: right with them as long as they're on campus. But
Speaker 18: you know, Magic's been great. I mean a lot of
Speaker 18: the former players that I coached have been great with it,
Speaker 18: and it helps when you have Itason Richardson, Jace Richardson,
Speaker 18: the son of a player that's getting good. I'm going
Speaker 18: for grandsons, don't now, Yeah, how much longer you got
Speaker 18: these coaches who are saying I can't, I don't want
Speaker 18: to do it anymore.
Speaker 2: You know, it's transfer portal nil and it's just not
Speaker 2: the way it once was. So what's motivating you to
Speaker 2: continue to do this stubbornness?
Speaker 18: To be honestly, it's total stubbornness. I still love what
Speaker 18: I do. I don't like what has gone on. I
Speaker 18: don't think anybody does. To be very honest with you,
Speaker 18: and you know some say it. Some don't say it,
Speaker 18: but right now I've taken a better, better stance with myself.
Speaker 18: For a couple of years, I was on all those committees,
Speaker 18: and I just kind of gotten off where I don't
Speaker 18: worry about my team and not worry about all the
Speaker 18: things that I can't control. And unfortunately, nobody can control
Speaker 18: what's going on right now.
Speaker 7: There is no control. That saddens me for our profession,
Speaker 7: but it is what it is. So went in Rome.
Speaker 7: Do like the Romans?
Speaker 2: You know, it sounded like a grumpy old man, get
Speaker 2: off my lawn where you were talking about playing games
Speaker 2: after ten o'clock on the West coast.
Speaker 3: In the tournament.
Speaker 18: It was rumpy. I just think it's very difficult to
Speaker 18: do that. You know, we do, Dan, I don't know
Speaker 18: what you did at Dayton, but we do go to
Speaker 18: school here too.
Speaker 7: You know, we are a student athlete.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we never did that at Dayton.
Speaker 18: I know, I know, I understand that. But when you
Speaker 18: get back at three in the morning, now you got
Speaker 18: to prep.
Speaker 7: It's just more difficult. I understand that TV pays the bills.
Speaker 18: I love all the TV people, so I got no
Speaker 18: prop but it does get to wear on you sitting
Speaker 18: there all day and that it's one part I'd like
Speaker 18: to see changed a little bit, but it is what
Speaker 18: it is.
Speaker 7: So I don't think I sounded grumpy about it.
Speaker 18: I expressed my opinion, but you express your opinion all
Speaker 18: the time.
Speaker 3: I'm grumpy. Yes, I'm gonna get off my lawn. Guy.
Speaker 3: Think this had to do with your bedtime, and that's
Speaker 3: what you were bothered by.
Speaker 7: Now, I don't go to sleep now, listen with the
Speaker 7: Bratsford Portal. You don't go to sleep ever.
Speaker 18: You've got to go over and sit with your players,
Speaker 18: make sure nobody's flying it.
Speaker 2: Do you have your phone on vibrate? Yeah, by your bed? Yeah,
Speaker 2: okay after midnight?
Speaker 18: Oh yeah, all the time. I mean, you never know
Speaker 18: what's going to happen. You know, there's a lot of
Speaker 18: things that happened.
Speaker 19: But but if you had to bail somebody out of
Speaker 19: jail or anything like that, have I had to.
Speaker 7: In the past, There's things like that that happen.
Speaker 18: Yeah, you know, sometimes it's not always for bad things,
Speaker 18: you know, parking tickets and he gets picked up or something.
Speaker 18: But yeah, any coach that tells you they don't have
Speaker 18: their phone on at night or they sleep probably lying.
Speaker 3: To you, single best player you ever coached against was who.
Speaker 7: Ah boy?
Speaker 18: You know, when I was an assistant, Shack we played
Speaker 18: against I played against grand Hill. I thought was one
Speaker 18: of the greatest players. But boy, that's a loaded question.
Speaker 18: And I'm not saying that against anybody. They're just man
Speaker 18: when you're at this level. He played against a lot
Speaker 18: of great players.
Speaker 3: What was the scouting report on Shack?
Speaker 7: Really big? I was just a GA back then. That
Speaker 7: was in my early days.
Speaker 18: And uh, I remember telling jud boy, that guy's a
Speaker 18: big guy, you know, but he was good.
Speaker 7: He was good.
Speaker 3: I like Shack, but you knew who was so good?
Speaker 3: Was Chris Jackson.
Speaker 7: He was.
Speaker 3: He was good more more more my size too.
Speaker 7: That's why I should like, I love more. But he was.
Speaker 2: I imagine him in today's game. He would he would
Speaker 2: break you off the I mean off the dribble crossover
Speaker 2: and he was so quick with that jumper.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and he could shoot it from long range.
Speaker 18: So he probably would fit in since the three is
Speaker 18: more prevalent now.
Speaker 7: I don't even think the three had just come in then.
Speaker 7: It was right around that time because I know we
Speaker 7: had Scott Skyles and we didn't have a three. Point shot.
Speaker 7: Then that was in eighty six.
Speaker 2: Now, help me, is the story true about Scott Skiles
Speaker 2: and John Thompson?
Speaker 7: The it was actually it was in Dayton.
Speaker 19: Yet at the tournament, right, Yeah, there was nothing bad
Speaker 19: with John Thompson, but they really got after him the
Speaker 19: first half, and I think Scott was zero for nine
Speaker 19: and I just remember that halftime.
Speaker 7: He was sitting in there and we're playing Georgetown, and
Speaker 7: I mean he was seething, you know, and.
Speaker 18: He played really good the second half we won. So
Speaker 18: you know, Scott had a tendency to talk stuff. But
Speaker 18: tell you what, he was a help player.
Speaker 2: Did he did he say to Thompson while dribbling the
Speaker 2: ball to John on the sidelines, why didn't you get
Speaker 2: somebody bleeping out here who can guard me?
Speaker 7: Did he guard me?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 18: You know, I didn't hear it and I heard it,
Speaker 18: but I do believe it.
Speaker 7: I do believe it. It was. It was one of
Speaker 7: the things that Scott was. He was good at. But
Speaker 7: he backed up what he said, So you got to
Speaker 7: give him credit there.
Speaker 2: Great to talk to you again. I'll talk to you
Speaker 2: next year at this time, right.
Speaker 7: You and I'm still going to be here.
Speaker 3: I will be were you.
Speaker 7: To be in a transfer portal? Are you going somewhere else?
Speaker 3: I got three more years? Do you have three more years?
Speaker 7: I got seven?
Speaker 3: You're gonna be there seven more years?
Speaker 7: No, I got seven on my contract.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you guys don't live up to those contracts.
Speaker 7: Well, do you live up the years?
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm my boss.
Speaker 18: You know what, my money because I do enjoy you're
Speaker 18: You're crazy in your own way, but so am I.
Speaker 7: Someday, when we're done, we'll play golf and get along.
Speaker 2: I would like to play one on one with you
Speaker 2: in basketbare you go, I'm going to slap the floor
Speaker 2: just to let you know I'm gonna lock you down. Coach,
Speaker 2: you can bring in Steve Mariucci if you want to.
Speaker 2: I don't care.
Speaker 7: I'm breaking.
Speaker 3: He doesn't scare me. Mooch doesn't scare me either.
Speaker 7: Well, I appreciate you having me on Dan, and you
Speaker 7: have a good rest of the tournament. I'll try to
Speaker 7: do the same.
Speaker 3: All right, Coach. That's Tom is a Hall of Famer.