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Speaker 3: To sticking to the wilds and nail gun ride with

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Speaker 2: Yo yo, yo yo.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to What's Up Their Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I am your active and attractive hosts for another episode

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Speaker 1: of the fastest growing podcast on the market. Right now,

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Speaker 1: you know, the vibration is howh on this side. I

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Speaker 1: talked to everybody in the culture that has a voice.

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Speaker 1: I'm instrumental in understanding the ingredients. Right So what I'm

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Speaker 1: doing right now today is I pulled up on somebody

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Speaker 1: that has built theirselves a wild old machine. Adam twenty two.

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Speaker 1: What's going on with my brother?

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Speaker 2: Hey living my guy chilling man, just chilling brother.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you having me in the compound. It's a

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Speaker 1: beautiful spot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate it. We've only been in here maybe

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Speaker 3: like two three months at this point. Uh, we were

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Speaker 3: had to make the decision to go all in and

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Speaker 3: buy this shit. So that was probably the biggest purchase

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Speaker 3: I ever made in my life, and it seems like

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Speaker 3: it's paying off. You know, we're like a lot more

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Speaker 3: you know, three four pieces of content at the same time.

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Speaker 3: So it's definitely helping us get going to the next level.

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Speaker 4: Right, How small it was the spot before here?

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Speaker 3: In comparison spot before it was probably about like this

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Speaker 3: and then this is our new one that.

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Speaker 2: We realistically probably would be at for like at least.

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Speaker 3: You know, four or five years or something like that, Right,

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Speaker 3: I mean it's a large investment.

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Speaker 2: Is it hard running this around here? Uh? Hard? I

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Speaker 3: I have a lot of people on the team at

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Speaker 3: this point, you know, which I really think is like

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Speaker 3: bigger than just you making content, is that you got

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Speaker 3: to start building your team. Like literally, the first thousand

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, right, because time is so important,

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Speaker 1: and just saying and that's one thing about you, right,

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Speaker 1: And of course I know the coaches here, they said, Loom,

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Speaker 1: But you're a guy who when I see you interview,

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Speaker 2: Right, It's not some people don't understand it. Right.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to the drill shit later. But I'm saying,

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Speaker 4: How did you develop that?

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Speaker 3: I honestly think that it's just from experience of watching

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Speaker 3: It's just like it would be okay, but and somebody

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Speaker 3: And sometimes people would be shocked because I'll leave out

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Speaker 3: But it's like, bro, if I don't think it's interesting,

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Speaker 3: You know, it's like to me, it's like, let's keep

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Speaker 3: you know, Like, I'm so addicted to that feeling too,

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Speaker 3: that's why I can't help but read the comments and

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Speaker 4: Me too, man, And I think it's so important.

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Speaker 1: You know, we may be unique in that, you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because like I felt like the best center

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Speaker 2: Just fucks with you.

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Speaker 3: And with the OJ thing I just started out, I

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Speaker 2: But respect will get you so far.

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Speaker 3: Because I've seen I've seen Snoop Dogg or actually this

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Speaker 3: Larry King's like ancient fucking CNN interviewer just for anybody

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Speaker 1: It's just the dynamics a completely different too. Like you said,

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Speaker 3: I saw Snoop Dogg doing an interview with Joe Rogan,

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Speaker 3: But but Snoop Dogg sat there and gave him a

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Speaker 1: Right, And that's what I'm saying, and that shines bright

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Speaker 1: but you've been faced with criticism as well. People tend

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Speaker 1: a cloud chase? Ah, well, we're all cloud Chaser's spoiler alert.

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Speaker 3: For everybody out there is that if you're making online content,

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Speaker 3: But it's also like I just felt like Joe is

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Speaker 2: Doing what the fans want to see.

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Speaker 3: Because and that's the main message that I got from

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is the lifeblood of hip hop is controversy,

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Speaker 2: Why while you while you uh, what's your problem with

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Speaker 3: you to dance around that question. If you say, you know,

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Speaker 1: He can get around what I think though, And because

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Speaker 1: I've yet to sit with dues and ask them certain questions.

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Speaker 1: It's about some information because we build a new industry.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: But that's the thing is that from my perspective, that's

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Speaker 3: a good interview is the one where you're direct. Direct

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Speaker 4: No no. Direct is one thing.

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Speaker 3: But the thing about Little Dirk is that Little Dirk

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Speaker 1: If I just started hitting myself right now, you're probably right.

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Speaker 3: A lot of these dudes, Yeah, most times, sometimes ain't

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Speaker 3: that moment where you decide I'm going to ask it

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Speaker 3: or my own fear. You know, like you pretty bad

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Speaker 3: to have a different perspective on that, because we see

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Speaker 4: And you're pretty good at this, thank you. But I'm

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Speaker 2: I've had plenty of time to think about it, right, But.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty good at this too. And so when you're

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Speaker 1: You're pending what you're doing next to a great job, right,

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Speaker 1: But I think interesting content is dangerous as well.

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Speaker 2: But what is dangerous?

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Speaker 1: It's dangerous messy or it's dangerous breaking the cold of

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Speaker 2: That's what's dangerous.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, not your cold, But I'm saying when we

440
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Speaker 1: deal with each other, though, how did you get there?

441
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Speaker 2: Right?

442
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Speaker 1: You might got a little information I on got, I

443
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Speaker 1: might got some you don't got.

444
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Speaker 2: We trying to get to the hundred medion five hundred

445
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Speaker 2: million on.

446
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Speaker 1: The other side, that's what's dangerous to me, Right, that's

447
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Speaker 1: dangerous unlocking that wealth on the other side of the content,

448
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Speaker 1: when we deal with the mess that's dangerous to who

449
00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,919
Speaker 1: to people that don't got to deal with it. Because

450
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Speaker 1: whatever happened after that, Adam go home. If for to say,

451
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Speaker 1: he said on the interview, I'm pressing the button, Adam

452
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Speaker 1: go do three more interviews tomorrow. So again, when you

453
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Speaker 1: don't got to eat the cooking, when you don't got

454
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Speaker 1: to eat the food that's being cooked, it's important to

455
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Speaker 1: understand that, you see what I'm saying, So you.

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Speaker 4: Know, when we deal with it.

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Speaker 1: I'm just wondering why it's dangerous that instead of Vlad

458
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Speaker 1: with his big platform, you with your huge, amazing platform,

459
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Speaker 1: coming together figuring out how to do something and get

460
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Speaker 1: a hondred meeting from Spotify, or why isn't that dangerous?

461
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Speaker 3: Why is it that we don't want money from Spotify?

462
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Speaker 3: We got we got our own businesses.

463
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Speaker 4: Right, And I'm not saying I'm not saying in that way, right.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying that's interesting too.

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Speaker 1: But don't discredit hold on, don't discredit what my point

466
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Speaker 1: could pin me to the Spotify thing. These are examples

467
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Speaker 1: of me having access or trying to get information from

468
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Speaker 1: the people who have the biggest market ship right now.

469
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Speaker 3: But my thing is that I think as a media person,

470
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Speaker 3: as a journalist, etc.

471
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Speaker 2: That yes, you do need to be kind of thing

472
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Speaker 2: is buzzing.

473
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Speaker 3: You got to be kind of tactical about how you

474
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Speaker 3: approach conversation. And from my perspective, from Vlad's perspective, I mean,

475
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Speaker 3: we are extremely tactical about how we approach that kind

476
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Speaker 3: of things. I do interviews all the time where there's

477
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Speaker 3: some big viral thing that I could easily ask somebody,

478
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Speaker 3: and I just don't do it because I think it

479
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Speaker 3: would be a bad taste. For instance, like I brought

480
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Speaker 3: this up to somebody the other day, but like the

481
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Speaker 3: other day, I was interviewing Boss top Boss, top was

482
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Speaker 3: King Vaughn's right hand man. A week before that, Kwando

483
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,840
Speaker 3: Rondo's homie had got killed in West Hollywood, and everybody

484
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Speaker 3: who knows anything about O blog versus four K Trey,

485
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Speaker 3: it's like, Okay, Kwando Rondo's boy getting killed right in

486
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Speaker 3: front of him in Hollywood is like, if you're Quando

487
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Speaker 3: Rondo's sworn enemy, then you're looking at that and you're

488
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Speaker 3: probably what feeling right, whatever you're gonna feel about now.

489
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Speaker 3: I didn't bring that up to him because I felt

490
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Speaker 3: like that was kind of crossing the line because that

491
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 3: question would have been straight up inviting him to get

492
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Speaker 3: on a dead man, and that felt weird. Now, if

493
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Speaker 3: he when that guy had died, if he had hopped

494
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Speaker 3: on his Instagram story and said, hey, buddy, YadA YadA, YadA,

495
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Speaker 3: I don't with him, he had it coming right around,

496
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Speaker 3: then I feel like that's appropriate for me to ask

497
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Speaker 3: him that question, because you already put that sentiment out

498
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Speaker 3: there into the world. But for me to do an

499
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Speaker 3: interview and just put the pieces together and say, hey,

500
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Speaker 3: here's this open invitation to ship on this dude who

501
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Speaker 3: I don't know, who just got killed whatever, then that

502
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Speaker 3: that felt like it was crossing the line. Now, I'll

503
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Speaker 3: give you another example, as I've had conversations with lad

504
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Speaker 3: where he's called the local police department beforehand to make

505
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Speaker 3: sure that the case was closed before he did an

506
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Speaker 3: interview with a rapper, specifically the baby. Because this was

507
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Speaker 3: before the baby had done any interviews, Bladd called the

508
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Speaker 3: police department to just make sure that this whole murder

509
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Speaker 3: thing that happened in the walmart, this is a closed case, right,

510
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Speaker 3: This is not something that's open active. That was very

511
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Speaker 3: impressive to me because that's not something I would have

512
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Speaker 3: thought to do. I would have thought to myself, well,

513
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Speaker 3: he's a grown ass man, so he if it's a

514
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Speaker 3: close case or it's.

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Speaker 2: Not, he knows. He definitely knows, and he can make

516
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Speaker 2: the decision, right.

517
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Speaker 3: But I thought it was impressive that Vlade went the

518
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Speaker 3: extra mile to make one hundred percent sure that he

519
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Speaker 3: wasn't getting somebody to confess to something on camera that

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Speaker 3: could then be used against him.

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Speaker 1: I think I agree that that is a monumental move, right,

522
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Speaker 1: And I also think that it's warranted from blood. The

523
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Speaker 1: reason I say that is because he's been on the

524
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Speaker 1: whole bunch of scrutiny He's been viewed and mentioned to

525
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Speaker 1: be responsible for certain things, right, and so I think

526
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Speaker 1: that he wears that, even if he tries to ignore

527
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Speaker 1: it and act like it don't mean nothing. I think

528
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Speaker 1: he understands that people try to paint him a certain way,

529
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Speaker 1: whether or not that's the case of it.

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Speaker 3: See, this is the thing, and like, I don't know

531
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Speaker 3: how long you've been doing media, would you say, like

532
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Speaker 3: interviews and just maybe two years?

533
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Speaker 2: Right to me?

534
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Speaker 3: The deeper that I get into this, and like the

535
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Speaker 3: longer I spend watching the hip hop information online realm develop,

536
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 3: the more I'm like, damn, Glad knew what the fuck

537
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 3: was gonna happen in like twenty ten, twenty eleven, whatever,

538
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Speaker 3: because he he got so much shit for what like

539
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Speaker 3: titling clips about exactly what it was for dropping shit

540
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Speaker 3: as clips instead of just dropping the whole interview. Like

541
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Speaker 3: people forget that back in like twenty fifteen, the breakfast

542
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Speaker 3: club will get a jay Z interview and title it

543
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Speaker 3: jay Z interview right.

544
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Speaker 2: Then and now if they get a jay Z interviewer.

545
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Speaker 4: Glad is glad is added to this, to this algorithm.

546
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Speaker 3: He saw what was happening, and he had, like many

547
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Speaker 3: many observations about how the shit was gonna play out,

548
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Speaker 3: and he actually had the balls to do it even

549
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Speaker 3: though he was getting so much hate for it, and

550
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Speaker 3: all those things that he did that he got so

551
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Speaker 3: much for are all normal now, and all these people

552
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Speaker 3: who are like, you know, somebody like Nori who's like

553
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Speaker 3: a super respected hip hop participant. He's like a legendary guy.

554
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Speaker 3: I mean, he does all the same things where there's

555
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Speaker 3: clips on his channel that have titles are exactly like

556
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Speaker 3: vague clips. So it's like, I feel like, you know,

557
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Speaker 3: there's just a real thirst for information from the fans

558
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,959
Speaker 3: out there. And that's why, like we were saying earlier

559
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Speaker 3: that you could sit and do an interview with me

560
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Speaker 3: where you're talking to me about how I made millions

561
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Speaker 3: of dollars and how I got this building and YadA YadA,

562
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Speaker 3: And it's like, I just imagine that interview, and I

563
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Speaker 3: imagine what the title would be, and I feel like

564
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Speaker 3: that's just not going to be as interesting to people

565
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Speaker 3: because I've kind of already talked about a lot of

566
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 3: that stuff and my story is not that different from

567
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Speaker 3: like five billion other people who agree with that. But

568
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Speaker 3: but okay, but then on the other hand when people

569
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Speaker 3: like vad just did an interview with me and he

570
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Speaker 3: asked me about Aaron Carter just died three days after

571
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Speaker 3: you did an interview, and let's talk about he talked

572
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Speaker 3: to me about the Joe Budden shit. He talks like

573
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Speaker 3: he's talking to me about a lot of mixy ass shit.

574
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Speaker 3: But it's that's like recent, it's current. It really shows

575
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Speaker 3: that he's tuned into what people are gonna want to

576
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Speaker 3: hear me talk about, whereas I have done a lot

577
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Speaker 3: of interviews where I talk about business and everything and

578
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Speaker 3: people like that shit. But also that's kind of like

579
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Speaker 3: its own thing, like your come up story is its

580
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Speaker 1: Like, right, yeah, yeah, you know all the mess, but

582
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Speaker 1: you're dealing with a scientist. I'm a scientist, so I

583
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Speaker 1: do this. I go in and out these pockets. That's

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Speaker 1: why I got so many. It's so much going on

585
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Speaker 1: around me, you know, so me when I said, my

586
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Speaker 1: people already know, Adam must.

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Speaker 4: Don't know long.

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Speaker 1: Right right, yeah, yeah, you know all the messages, but

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Speaker 1: you're dealing with a scientist. I'm a scientist, so I

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Speaker 1: do this. I go in and out these pockets. That's

614
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Speaker 1: why I got so many. It's so much going on

615
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: around me, you know, so me when I said my

616
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Speaker 1: people already know Adam must don't know long, right, because

617
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Speaker 1: my ability to do this is not the same as

618
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Speaker 1: and I get it, I understand, right. A lot of

619
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Speaker 1: the information shit is what for lack of a better term, right,

620
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Speaker 1: And a lot of the content pieces where we get

621
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Speaker 1: into the Aaron Carter death and you being the last

622
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,479
Speaker 1: person to sit in front of them and things like

623
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Speaker 1: that are much more interesting.

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Speaker 4: But there's a balance, and I respect the balance.

625
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 3: And that's one thing I don't think I get credit

626
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 3: for is that, Like you watch that OJH just Man interview. Yes,

627
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 3: there are a couple of moments in it where I'm

628
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 3: asking them about some viral sh whatever, But for the

629
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Speaker 3: most part, I think, I honestly feel that I do

630
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 3: the most in depth like spiritual ass and I'm not

631
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 3: a spiritual person, but type interviews like I talk to

632
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 3: people who are from all different walks of life and

633
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 3: hip hop and allow them to vib the fuck out

634
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 3: and talk about whatever.

635
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Speaker 2: And I feel like my interviews.

636
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Speaker 3: In a lot of ways feel like the least clout

637
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 3: thirsty interviews that I can see, just because I interview

638
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 3: people all the time and feel like I get a

639
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 3: completely different version of them than the way that they

640
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 3: act on other platforms. I saw that with oj. I

641
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 3: think about somebody like Kamaya. I watched a couple Kamaia

642
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 3: interviews before I interviewed her. She came in and she

643
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 3: was just fucking with me, just like talking about whatever,

644
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 3: just being so cool, Like I was blown away by it,

645
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 3: And that is really what I'm after, Like the clickbas

646
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 3: it is cool because I want to do stuff that

647
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 3: people want to hear about. But then at the same time,

648
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 3: like for me to sit in front of somebody and

649
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Speaker 3: have a really great conversation for a couple hours is

650
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Speaker 3: really what I'm after.

651
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Speaker 2: And I don't necessarily get the credit for the fact

652
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Speaker 2: that I.

653
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Speaker 1: Just gave you your credit And let me get you

654
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Speaker 1: to understand this my place in the culture.

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Speaker 2: Bro.

656
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Speaker 1: They gonna expect me to be extremely rough with you,

657
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: but they don't understand if they don't know me, that

658
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: it's information based. We come here to give some information

659
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: to each other right and share some game, whatever's happening

660
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: in the world.

661
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 4: Just speak on our perspectives. That's what we come to do. Now.

662
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: What I grab from what you're saying again in interest

663
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: of finding the truth and understanding that.

664
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 4: I respect your interview style.

665
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: I just spoke to how understand bro, you can do

666
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: this without that.

667
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 4: I just said it, and you just said it.

668
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: So what I up from these times when you sit

669
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: in front of guy who we as friends with, King

670
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: Vaughan and you don't go into that room. What I

671
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: get from that is he can't do that and still

672
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: be effective. So I don't understand why you don't pull

673
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: from that that Yo, I don't have to live in

674
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: their pocket to even have their tag on my shirt.

675
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: I do it all.

676
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 3: But also I want to say this is that to me,

677
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 3: I try to like everything about what I'm building on,

678
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 3: what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to stay normal.

679
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 3: I'm trying to stay a regular ass person. This is

680
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 3: insanely important to me because I see so many people

681
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 3: get successful and turn into weirdos, and that is like,

682
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 3: if anything, I'm trying to do everything I can keep

683
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 3: driving a normal car, dress, normal act.

684
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: You know, et cetera. Like, I want to be a

685
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: regular guy.

686
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 3: And from my perspective on what regularly is, but when

687
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 3: you're a regular guy and you go to get your haircut,

688
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 3: what are you talking about?

689
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: You're talking about who got shot, who got ran off

690
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: the block, who got beat up?

691
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,719
Speaker 3: From my perspective is that when you sit down, when

692
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 3: I'm in the group chat with the homies, what are

693
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 3: we talking about? We're talking about who got beat up?

694
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 3: Who got like who who's going to see break up?

695
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 3: Their girl was talking about them on her story, et cetera.

696
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 3: So to me, that is kind of like human nature

697
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 3: in a lot of ways is to definitely at least

698
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 3: get clarity. And that's my old thing is we're gonna

699
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 3: do a two hour interview. We could talk for an

700
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 3: hour about what it is to live a good life,

701
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 3: how great it is to raise your kids, how great

702
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 3: it is to have a business, to not you know,

703
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 3: all this good, healthy, hearty shit that people love. People

704
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 3: do love to hear that. But then also it's like, hey,

705
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,479
Speaker 3: your girlfriends said that you beat her up on her

706
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 3: Instagram story, homie, we got to talk about this, you know.

707
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 3: But also it's like we don't have to. I ask

708
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 3: people sometimes or they'll tell me, like, hey, I don't

709
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 3: want to talk about this thing.

710
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,719
Speaker 1: I look at get this entire game. Bro, When I

711
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:45,239
Speaker 1: study roguing, they don't. This is bro, It's conversations. Like

712
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: for me, it's just conversations. It ain't even all of that.

713
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: It ain't even it's don't have to do way, It's

714
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: just conversations.

715
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 2: Son.

716
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: Listen, I come from where see in your barber shop.

717
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: That's what they running in my barbershop. When I come

718
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: in my barbershop, go to talking about money. We talking

719
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: about Listen, I put it. Anybody watching this, ain't nobody

720
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: dispute me. There ain't no ten on me nowhere in

721
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: the world, you understand. I put this on everything I love.

722
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: When I come around, they talk about information. Little dude

723
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: wants some more money. It's clear everywhere I go. So

724
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: when I come in the barbershop, is man, what have

725
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: you found out about what they did with black effect

726
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: over there?

727
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 2: What NOI making? What is reup gonna be?

728
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 3: Like?

729
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 2: Have you paid attention to atom?

730
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: He done dropped six interviews they all got five hundred

731
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: thousand a moth.

732
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 4: You know that's my conversation.

733
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: And so I'm trying to right And so it's interesting

734
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: that it's big boy interest in that. And I have

735
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: to let you know that because your platform is so big,

736
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: and I find it interesting that you only can see

737
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: that the content is living in a great place when

738
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: you deal with things that you know, what kind of

739
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: edgy you know instead of the information.

740
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 3: But this is my thing too, is that you know

741
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 3: somebody uh pgf Nook is somebody who I love the

742
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 3: album be put out and everything, but he also like

743
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 3: he's he's baiting me to ask those kind of questions

744
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,239
Speaker 3: because he'll go on the record and say GdK and

745
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 3: so I'm like, hey, I know what that means.

746
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 2: And sound it on that record.

747
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 3: I want to know, like you really you feel like

748
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 3: that you would, you would pop off on anybody you see, Like,

749
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 3: who's like that? Like that to me is interesting. Now

750
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 3: if you want to sit there and say nah, I

751
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 3: don't I don't remember saying that. I would never say

752
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: anything like that. I'm gonna let you get away with you.

753
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 3: You pull the wall over, I just fine, I'm not

754
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 3: gonna press the issue crazy. But it's like if you

755
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 3: put it in a song, I get it. It's like yeah,

756
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 3: and I.

757
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: Have to respect the fact that there's something there right.

758
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: I haven't identified how to move with it, but there's

759
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: something that when when they are seeing these things on

760
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: these records and then these instagram posted, and then you

761
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: sit in front of me and I'm dealing with an audience,

762
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: you understand. So there's something there, right, And I'd a

763
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: lloyderty and respect from my audience. I need them to

764
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: understand that I do ask you the things that need

765
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: to be as so.

766
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 2: You know, I love you know what, other comments. I

767
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 2: love reading.

768
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 3: I love when I get a comments that I like,

769
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 3: how the fuck is this thirty eight year old white

770
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 3: boy know what the fuck is going on?

771
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 2: You know? I love those comments of people who are.

772
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 4: Like, answer, here's your sham, he actually.

773
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 3: Fucking understands the politics of this rapper and this like

774
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 3: how that like that? That to me means a lot too,

775
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 3: because I just love people, and I love culture, and

776
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 3: I love music, and I love just observing what's going

777
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 3: on and I'm not trying to be something I'm not.

778
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 3: But at the same time, like when I know that

779
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 3: I'm doing a really good job, I could be reporting

780
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 3: on a story that is not the biggest thing I

781
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 3: just interviewed this YouTuber Buba x one hundred or Buba

782
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 3: one hundred x sorry, and he does a lot of

783
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 3: he's a YouTuber and he's young, and he's from the streets,

784
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 3: and he's doing a lot of videos where he's doing

785
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 3: shit with all these drill rappers, which it's actually crazy

786
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 3: what he does. He'll play their ops music in front

787
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 3: of him, and so then these are dangerous. It's like

788
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 3: a young kid from the hood and he's making YouTube

789
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 3: videas getting mad views doing this, and I'm looking at it, like, bro,

790
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 3: that's insane, Like I could never get away with that.

791
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 3: I would never even want to get away with that

792
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 3: if I thought I could get away with that, because

793
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 3: you're really baiting some that.

794
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 2: I can't believe that the rappers let them let him

795
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 2: do that.

796
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 3: And he's just out here making content like that, and

797
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 3: you know he I was doing the interview with him,

798
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 3: and he's just like astonished, like multiple times in the

799
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 3: interview of like, whoa, you're really deep on YouTube that

800
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 3: you know what the fuck is going on in New York.

801
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 2: Like that, you know, And I like that's and see,

802
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 2: I really am interested.

803
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 4: I do see that.

804
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 1: Oftentimes I view you and say, just based on, like

805
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: you said, the in depth interviews you have with like

806
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: an old Ja, the juice Man, right, or some of

807
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: these guys whose stories may not be known to the masses.

808
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: So you had to do either some digging or you

809
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: had to be in attendance one or two things happening,

810
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: and either one of those things have to lend itself

811
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: to some sort of respect. So I say, damn, he

812
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,240
Speaker 1: gotta respect the culture. But then on the other side,

813
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: when Joe Budden said to you, black cold, you made

814
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: your black culture made your millionaire, you paused almost like

815
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 1: did that? Is that the case? And on our side

816
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: it's like there's no paus needed. Now how do you fit?

817
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: Do you You do understand that black coach and made

818
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 1: your media?

819
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 3: Well, I think if you look at my channel, it's

820
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 3: like what percentage of the interviews.

821
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 2: Or really with rappers or really like you do a

822
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 2: lot of it, for sure, a lot, but it's not all.

823
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 4: Let's not deal with I.

824
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 3: Made a lot of money pe porn, I made a

825
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 3: lot of money off BMX bikes.

826
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 2: I made a lot of money off a lot of shit.

827
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 4: And now, for sure, in a weird way.

828
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 3: I do find like that's kind of like it's it's

829
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 3: it's kind of like an exaggeration because the reality is

830
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,439
Speaker 3: is that I make mad money off everything I touched.

831
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: But that's because of right. No Jump is no Jumper

832
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: because of the triple lixis because of the early little pumps,

833
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: because of the early This is why No Jumpy is

834
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: what it is now. What you did with your business

835
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: speaks to the acumen, the business acumen. You pivoted, you

836
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: got another building, you move five times, you run into AD.

837
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: That's what changed a lot of things. AD brought a

838
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: culture here as well. Did gave you an identity outside

839
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: of the interview.

840
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 3: Right, because for a while, No Jumper was just me

841
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 3: doing mad interviews, you know, And then I was trying

842
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 3: to like build up personalities along with the No Jumper

843
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 3: thing and everything. But AD was the first one that

844
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 3: we really felt like we had real success with.

845
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 2: Like it's actually like, oh, a lot.

846
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 3: Of people are watching it, a lot of people are

847
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 3: invested in figuring out what this guy's like and how

848
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 3: you're going to get along with him and everything, and like, oh,

849
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 3: he can do a show without you and people will

850
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 3: with it.

851
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 2: And then we just kept finding more and more talent

852
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 2: like that.

853
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean I do agree that, like I

854
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 3: have a pretty uncanny ability to spot talent when it

855
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 3: comes to both rapper like people to interview as well

856
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 3: as like hosts. I definitely think that, And I just,

857
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 3: you know, I have a very open mind because a

858
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 3: lot of the people who have been brought to the channel,

859
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 3: like AD has brought a couple of people to the

860
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 3: channel that have been very very popular, sucessful, but also

861
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, he's brought a bunch of people

862
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 3: that I kind of said no to. You know, It's like,

863
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 3: but the idea of like, yeah, if I made a

864
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 3: lot of money off of black culture, I mean yeah,

865
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 3: To be honest, I've been obsessed with black culture since

866
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 3: I was a young child.

867
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 2: So it's like, what kind of makes sense to me?

868
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: What is what feels funny about just saying yeah, no,

869
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: the black black culture with me.

870
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 4: No Triple X came and sat with me.

871
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to deny that in any way.

872
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 3: I just felt like it kind of deserves a little

873
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 3: bit of clarification because it's like, if I was somebody

874
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 3: who could sit here and say that every dollar I

875
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 3: ever made was from black culture.

876
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: Then that might be an what if I say bike culture, right,

877
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: What if I said you you became a millionaire bite culture.

878
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: We know that's not the case. We know more of

879
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: our culture than biite culture. Would you have that same

880
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: feeling about clarifying it?

881
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 3: Then No, that would just be straight inaccurate because I

882
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 3: wasn't really making that much money off the bike shit,

883
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 3: but that was my thing that kept me living for

884
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 3: like ten years before I managed to get into the

885
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 3: hip hop shit.

886
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: And I mean, you know, ultimately, at the end of.

887
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 3: The day, this is my thing about it is that

888
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 3: I've seen so many people complaining about me, academics of

889
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 3: Lad for so fucking long, and damn near none of

890
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 3: them have actually been able to create their own platform

891
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 3: and do something that really was able to, like, you know,

892
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 3: weaken the businesses that we've built. Now, on the other hand,

893
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 3: I've seen a lot of people who've been able to

894
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 3: basically become very significant media personalities in their own right

895
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 3: off of the back of Vlad, off of the back

896
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 3: of my etc. So, I mean, do we sometimes make

897
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 3: a bunch of money off black culture?

898
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:35,439
Speaker 2: Sure?

899
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 3: Do we also constantly put money into the hands of

900
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 3: black people by paying them for interviews or giving them

901
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 3: shows or you know all this other stuff. I mean,

902
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 3: you got to take that into account too, because somebody

903
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 3: like a Deals sit here at t row sit here

904
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 3: tell you sharp, will tell you all these different people

905
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 3: of color that I put on the channel. They'll tell

906
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 3: you Adam gave me opportunity when nobody who looks like

907
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 3: me was giving me an opportunity.

908
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 2: You know, And I'm gonna be.

909
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 3: Really with you too though, the fact that they are

910
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 3: black to me is very incidental. I really just genuinely like,

911
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that much to me. Like I don't

912
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 3: really like looking like they're they're black, and that's part.

913
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: Of that, right, were real happy to give a white

914
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: guy opportunity too, It's not really you know, yeah, I

915
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: get that, right. I respect the out of that. I

916
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: would argue you don't. I would argue either you don't

917
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: like academics, that academics don't like you.

918
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 3: We actually talk a pretty good amount. He says some

919
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 3: stuff that people take as like anti no Jumper sometimes

920
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 3: on his stream or whatever, but I don't really I

921
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 3: feel like it's just kind of trolling and fucking around whatever.

922
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 3: There's been very few things in recent memory that I've

923
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 3: really been like bothered that he said.

924
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: You know how you feel about what he's saying and

925
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: what he's saying there two different things.

926
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 2: Right.

927
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: Your emotions may not be attached to what he's saying,

928
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: but the things he's saying ain't things people.

929
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 2: Who liked you would say. So what are you referring to?

930
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: I was looking today, right, you guys had a long conversation.

931
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: This is old things, right, But I see him now

932
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: speaking to the to the young guy you have on

933
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: your platform now telling them that you know, stick No

934
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: Jumper up and you know Ad gonna run off with

935
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: the bag. These things affect you business wise, whether you

936
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: know it or not. Don want to act like these things?

937
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: How these people make clips off of these things? They're interested,

938
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: They're amplifying. These things are amplify.

939
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 2: And that's what the fans do. Do you think the

940
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 2: market ignores that? Well?

941
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: I mean you think Ad could go anywhere else and

942
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: be involved in a way that he is at No

943
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 1: Jumper for a price point.

944
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 3: At there, Ad knows that he's free to have conversations

945
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 3: with me about money whenever he wants, and that he

946
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 3: could talk, he could ask for a raise, he could

947
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 3: say that he wants to do this, he could. You know,

948
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 3: those conversations are always open. My whole policy with everybody

949
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 3: who is like, let's just be super transparent about money,

950
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 3: about who's gonna be able to work together, you know,

951
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 3: Like I just I don't shy away from that. And

952
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 3: so that's why. And honestly, like every time that that's happened,

953
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 3: where Academics was saying some trall or ad about potentially

954
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 3: hiring them or whatever, that always just ends up in

955
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 3: a conversation in the group chat about their loyalty to

956
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 3: no Jumper and how that's not a temptation to them

957
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 3: and how you know, bro, but.

958
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: We come on and come on, man, I come from

959
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: this culture. That don't mean nothing. A group chat about man,

960
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: we loyal you to you faum.

961
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,439
Speaker 2: Family, that ship don't mean you really don't believe them? Huh? Man?

962
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 4: Who believes niggas saying any.

963
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 2: But that's not I'm not looking for that kind of

964
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: loyalty anyway, because they get offered.

965
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 3: So guess what it means if Academics offers them twice

966
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 3: as much money and I can't pay that, and I don't.

967
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 2: Want nobody go for it. He ain't out for nobody noning.

968
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: He's doing it deliberately to affect what you got going on.

969
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 3: He not even I think you're taking it a little

970
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 3: bit more serious, not anyone involved taking He's not taking

971
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 3: to that serious.

972
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 2: I'm not taking that serious. Ad and Trell aren't taking

973
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 2: to that serious. I don't even think the fans are

974
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 2: taking us.

975
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: And that's because you guys, and you can't control the

976
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: narrative with these people.

977
00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 4: I understand how this works.

978
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: Listen, people don't say things like the And then I

979
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: looked at the conversation, all these things he was saying

980
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: about your wife.

981
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 3: Bro Okay that that was a while ago about but okay,

982
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 3: you're trying to convince me I should be mad about

983
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 3: some stuff to.

984
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 4: Convince you of anything.

985
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: I'm trying to clarify that you guys are playing this

986
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: little weird game with each other like you like each other.

987
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 1: But there's really a situation where he continues to send

988
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: shots at you and you continue to ignore it like

989
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen. He continues to say, Adams, my little

990
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: nick and you continue to act like said when I

991
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: don't like you could your people will find it right,

992
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: And so all I'm saying is how what's your true

993
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: feelings on academics? Your true feelings, I mean, my true feelings,

994
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: honestly are kind of the same as when I came

995
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: in the game, because I was looking at his channel

996
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: when I started my channel, and I thought that what

997
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: he was doing was incredible, and I would say kind

998
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: of the same thing.

999
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 3: Now, you know, he's a very good interviewer. He's one

1000
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 3: of the few rap interviewers I would put in my league,

1001
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 3: you know, like there's just not that and in terms

1002
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 3: of there's interviewing and then there's building a business.

1003
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 2: So he's done both. Lad has done both.

1004
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: And I think he's a terrible interview And I think, really, man,

1005
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: I think praise does not deserve to sad ti you,

1006
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 1: and I believe this is sad ty you. What you're

1007
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: doing this dude is not a good interview and it's

1008
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: a snools fist. Really, I don't think anyone South in

1009
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: the in the South, we believe that to be a

1010
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: snools fist. And maybe I'm what may maybe I'm off

1011
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 1: till yo. You see, I gave you your props. I

1012
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,280
Speaker 1: viewed this game very I don't I'm.

1013
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 3: Not have many people that much props on interviews he

1014
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 3: hasn't been doing, but I would say he's very good.

1015
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: I think you have a fear of academics for some

1016
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: strange reason.

1017
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 2: No, that's not true.

1018
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: I mean, or maybe he came in with you in

1019
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: those things. Something is happening.

1020
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 3: But anything he knows about me, he has put it

1021
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 3: on front street at some point a beef and that's

1022
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 3: your friend. Well, so you're telling me that if someone

1023
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 3: has disrespected me, I should never be able to get

1024
00:43:59,320 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 3: past it.

1025
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: No, especially if you don't know me, and we had

1026
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: no real relationship to begin with.

1027
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 2: I know each other.

1028
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: When he dealt with a situation with the game, somebody,

1029
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: I'm getting money, we're blessed into this game, and then

1030
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: this situation happened that he said, Damn, I can't identify what.

1031
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: Just hold on, I don't know what made that happen.

1032
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: You just was doing out that about my wife and

1033
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 1: how she liked trained.

1034
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: What whole whoa? Whoa?

1035
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 4: What did I do that warrant that?

1036
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: And if I can't understand that, I have to think

1037
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: like fifty cent thought in that moment and say, if

1038
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: I don't know what caused the reaction, I can't be

1039
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: involved in any way.

1040
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: No.

1041
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 3: I mean I totally understand what because of that situation,

1042
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 3: we had a whole thing that played out over a

1043
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 3: period of time, okay, And I mean, you know, we

1044
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 3: got passed it. People actually got to see us have

1045
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 3: the whole patching it up conversation, and I respected that.

1046
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 3: There's been other conversations that took place behind the scenes

1047
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 3: and everything. But you know, he's been I've been on

1048
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 3: his podcast two times. He did the whole No Jumper

1049
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 3: Show thing with that. He has actually done like a

1050
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 3: formal interview since all that. But you know, I mean,

1051
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 3: I got respect whatever for Adam.

1052
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 4: I got respect for what you do behind this mic.

1053
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: I've studied the entire thing from top to bottom, and

1054
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: I understand exactly where you're standing this right. I don't

1055
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: think you need these guys. I don't think whatever respect

1056
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: whatever weird game you're playing where you're not standing on

1057
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 1: the business as far as disrespect is disrespect.

1058
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 2: Man.

1059
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 3: So you're saying that if I've ever been disrespected by anybody,

1060
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 3: that I can't can't.

1061
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 4: In this competitive space.

1062
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that because then I would not be

1063
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: standing for what I understand to be the case of

1064
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: life which is growing and elevating.

1065
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 4: I understand that to be the case.

1066
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying unwarranted things happening to me will not be accepted, right,

1067
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: and there's no understanding for things that would not warranted.

1068
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 4: And for you as me.

1069
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying everything that happened to you with Act, in

1070
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: my opinion, how far he went was unwarned.

1071
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 2: No, totally.

1072
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 3: I didn't appreciate some of the things he said during

1073
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 3: all that, for sure, And I mean a lot of

1074
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 3: it started because of things that I had said about

1075
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 3: him that he didn't appreciate or whatever.

1076
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: But we got past it.

1077
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 4: So shout out the y'all relationship.

1078
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: I don't say that to a fake That Again, I'm

1079
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: trying to understand, is these little weird games being played

1080
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: in media? Because I come in with the money, my

1081
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 1: shit on the floor, and I got deals everywhere, So

1082
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: I come in saying, is that they playing this little

1083
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: weird game because I know Adam don't need Act and

1084
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 1: ACT don't need Adam.

1085
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 3: But okay, think about what the game is is that

1086
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 3: if you kind of look at where we're both at

1087
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 3: in terms of the content and everything, it's like there

1088
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 3: are two different ways that you could judge US academics

1089
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 3: can sit on Twitch and talk his shit and it

1090
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 3: will dominate the fucking headlines.

1091
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 2: It'll be.

1092
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 3: I mean, the real headlines in the world, on the

1093
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 3: blogs whatever. Like he's just very He's probably better than

1094
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 3: anybody else in hip hop at just getting on the

1095
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 3: mic and saying his opinions about and then having it

1096
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 3: be like controversial enough that everybody talks about it.

1097
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:05,959
Speaker 2: So you got to give it to him.

1098
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 4: For me, he is he's relevant in the coach.

1099
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 3: My shit is a little different because I'm not necessary

1100
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 3: like we do talk about all the current events and everything.

1101
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,760
Speaker 3: But I'll give you an example when he when takeoff dies,

1102
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 3: he runs to Twitch to document every last bit of

1103
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 3: what was going on in the video.

1104
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: I didn't even think of that. I saw him doing it.

1105
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, that was a pretty good idea, and

1106
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 3: didn't my brain doesn't necessarily idea well, I mean, content wise,

1107
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 3: he had like fifty thousand viewers, so at least in

1108
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 3: the moment of misam different. Let me ask you, but

1109
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 3: but this is all I'm saying, is that. Then at

1110
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 3: the same time, though, you look at no Jumper and

1111
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, there's like ten hosts on it.

1112
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 2: Now.

1113
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 3: The one thing that he hasn't really done is he

1114
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 3: hasn't really like built up a bunch of hosts under him.

1115
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 3: And I know that he said that he wants to

1116
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 3: do that, but he hasn't necessarily And I understand why

1117
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 3: he's kind of moving slow on it because it's like

1118
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 3: he is able to be so profitable just by being

1119
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 3: himself on camera. But when he's like saying that shit

1120
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 3: to troll and ad, I almost take it as like

1121
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 3: an acknowledgment of like he sees that I'm building this,

1122
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 3: and he sees and he knows that he has to

1123
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 3: at some point that that's something that he wants to

1124
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 3: kind of do as well.

1125
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: Right, And so you know, I many ways it is

1126
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: to acknowledge that without doing it that way.

1127
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 4: I know you're good at this, So you could do that.

1128
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: Give me your top five hip hop analysts or excuse me,

1129
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: media guys, media guys, fuck, I mean interviewers.

1130
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 2: Is kind of like, let's do that.

1131
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 3: Well, interviewers, I say, you got to give me Vlad

1132
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 3: an act, and.

1133
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: God, why do you keep putting act in this? And

1134
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 1: what classic interviews? Give me one?

1135
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 2: I just got to be real. I can't give me

1136
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 2: one interview, give me one quote any listen.

1137
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 3: But I'm not even saying that he give me one

1138
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 3: question because most of his interviews are on Spotify, where

1139
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 3: there are not necessarily allowed to live on their own

1140
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 3: on YouTube whatever. But when I see him doing interviews,

1141
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 3: I consider him one of the best people doing interviews.

1142
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 2: I'll give you that, and.

1143
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 4: I can't argue with you. It's about taste, not opinions.

1144
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 2: And Vlad I think is incredible at what he does.

1145
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 3: And I mean other hip hop interviewers that I really

1146
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 3: think that you could put in the top five. That's

1147
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 3: a really good question, because I don't you know, I

1148
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 3: like math offer. I'll give it to math off. I

1149
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 3: think Math is doing a really great job. I think

1150
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 3: he deserves near the top of the total.

1151
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 4: Okay, you're putting Math up there, shout out.

1152
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 2: The big I like math Math best to the table.

1153
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 3: Honestly, if I had my YouTube subscriptions open right now,

1154
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 3: I might be able to look at it and tell

1155
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:29,919
Speaker 3: you even more.

1156
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 2: But I don't know.

1157
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 3: Right Charlotte Man got to give Charlamne's up there. Yes,

1158
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 3: Charlamagne's to go. It's a little different because he was

1159
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 3: like two co host the radio thing, but she's the goat.

1160
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 3: He's definitely up there.

1161
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, uh, I see you left Joe off

1162
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: of that. What's your thing with Joe?

1163
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 2: But Joe doesn't interview many people?

1164
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 4: What's your thing? Would Joe?

1165
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: You have anything with Joe? Joe where it's like joey but.

1166
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 3: He barely interviews people, And he would acknowledge that he's

1167
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 3: just like less than one interview a month.

1168
00:49:58,640 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 4: He's interviewing his friends.

1169
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 2: Well, he talks to his friends.

1170
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I mean with Joe, it's like I came

1171
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 3: in the game looking up to him. The first time

1172
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 3: he ever invited me over to chill was mind blowing,

1173
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 3: Like I cannot believe that this dude even wants to

1174
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 3: be around me in any way, And I didn't take

1175
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 3: I mean, one thing I think a lot of people

1176
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 3: miss from the Joe Budden thing is that as soon

1177
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 3: as that shit ended, everybody's laughing, smiling, patting each other

1178
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 3: on the back.

1179
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 1: That's why I'm wondering, is this fake media shit? Like

1180
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: is that happening with that? Because that's fake media.

1181
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 3: I wouldn't even say it's fake, it's just that it's

1182
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 3: like an acknowledgment that we all kill what we're doing

1183
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:33,760
Speaker 3: when we're on camera.

1184
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, And I can agree with that and a

1185
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 4: lot of people.

1186
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 3: This is not unique to hip hop, because a lot

1187
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 3: of times I've heard about like left wing politicians and

1188
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 3: right wing politicians and people who are writers who are

1189
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 3: left wing Democrats or right wing Republicans, and they'll be

1190
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 3: at these conferences and they'll see each other and sometimes

1191
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 3: they'll actually say to each other like, oh, yeah, we

1192
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 3: should we should collapse, like we should we should yell

1193
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 3: at each other on Twitter, right right, or do a

1194
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 3: stream or do an interview where we basically just like

1195
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 3: completely bitch each other, humanize each other.

1196
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 2: But that's that's like working together.

1197
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 3: So the thing with Joe, like, there's definitely probably a

1198
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 3: lot of moments where you could look at that in

1199
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 3: isolation and be like, damn, this motherfucker hates at him.

1200
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 3: But the real and actually even in that interview, there's

1201
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 3: one point where he was saying like you are this,

1202
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 3: like you are such your culture vulture, and I'm like,

1203
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 3: that's not true because.

1204
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 2: You with me. I'm like you with me, I know

1205
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 2: you love me, and.

1206
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 3: That's and that's so I know that you're just kind

1207
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 3: of you're sort of kind of trolling right here in

1208
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 3: the interview, and he it wasn't even like he really and.

1209
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: See that that fake Mediah is weird to me, right,

1210
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: or I listen, I'm here to get some information. I

1211
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: think that's where my tipping point is, like what are

1212
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: they doing? They're faking it and then they acting like

1213
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: I got some smoke for you, and then they ain't

1214
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: really trying to figure it out because you, in my opinion.

1215
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 4: You did extremely well in that position.

1216
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 3: But the thing is is that the best podcasts are

1217
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 3: kind of like your best friends, where it's like, you know,

1218
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 3: your closest homie. You could be at the bar, you

1219
00:51:58,360 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 3: could be at a restaurant, or you could just be

1220
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 3: hanging out. You could have a two hour argument about

1221
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 3: whether it's something whether it's about right, but even off camera,

1222
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 3: I'm saying like, whether it's about oh, this guy beat

1223
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 3: up his and then this happened and that there he

1224
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 3: should have done this and he should have done this

1225
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 3: or whatever, or it could be some shit that's more lighthearted,

1226
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 3: like oh, you know, some relationship ship whatever. You could

1227
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 3: have a two three hour argument where you're calling each

1228
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 3: other names and you're screaming on each other and getting

1229
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 3: super into it, and then at the end of it,

1230
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 3: you're still just friends, right, right, And that's kind of like,

1231
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 3: even though I barely know the other guys on the

1232
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 3: Joe Button podcast besides Joe, That's kind of how it felt.

1233
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 3: It was like, hell, yeah, we just did it, Like

1234
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 3: we just made some dope content. Realistically, we pretty much

1235
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 3: believe everything we said, but also fun, Yeah, let's go out.

1236
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 2: It's dope, right.

1237
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: I just had mall alone, and he said a lot

1238
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: about Joe and his business practices and things like that.

1239
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: How do you feel about how Joe was runing his

1240
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: business over.

1241
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 3: The years, Well, seems like I could leave a little

1242
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 3: bit to be desired. I mean, Maul and Rory walked

1243
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 3: out of there pretty unhappy, and I ply felt like

1244
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 3: watching that play out made me do a lot of

1245
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 3: thinking about what I was going to have to do

1246
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 3: in order to keep No Jumper solid, you know.

1247
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,879
Speaker 2: And I feel like the biggest shit that it seems like.

1248
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 3: Mal and Joe or Mal and Rory were unhappy about

1249
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 3: was basically the lack of transparency, the fact that they

1250
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 3: didn't feel like they had like full access to like

1251
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 3: what they were being paid or how they should be

1252
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 3: paying paid, et cetera. And like, you know, that's just

1253
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 3: super insulting to a creative for sure. Like you know,

1254
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 3: like everybody, even if you are a one percent partner

1255
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 3: in a business and you're you're making way less than

1256
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 3: everybody else involved, it's like you still want to know

1257
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 3: what the one percent looks like.

1258
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 2: That's just like being a human period.

1259
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 3: Being a man, you want to know what you're you know, sure,

1260
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 3: And so I mean with that, I feel like that's

1261
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 3: super understandable. And that's a big part of why I

1262
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 3: always try to approach everybody on the team about money,

1263
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 3: about whatever, like let's just be super straight up with

1264
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 3: each other, right, So, and I think that it just

1265
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 3: involves being very very human, like when we're in the

1266
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 3: group chat and sometimes as well, there'll be a big

1267
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 3: argument going on in the morning, or somebody will be

1268
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 3: saying something crazy that I don't like, I don't agree with.

1269
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 2: I gotta take a breath and think I'm not gonna.

1270
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:12,959
Speaker 3: Dive in right here and say shit that I can't

1271
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 3: take back, or say the wildish that I could think

1272
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 3: of in my head, the meanest that I could think

1273
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 3: of it's gonna hurt somebody's feelings whatever. It's like, no,

1274
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 3: I gotta I gotta like try to be the grown

1275
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 3: up in the room more often than not. And yes,

1276
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 3: I gotta stand on my ship and if I really

1277
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 3: feel a certain type of way. But one thing that

1278
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 3: I've gotten a lot better at is like, if I

1279
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 3: got a problem with somebody in the group chat, well

1280
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 3: I'm gonna text them separately exactly. I'm not gonna do

1281
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 3: it in front of an audience in the group chat,

1282
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 3: because I feel like that's a lot like if if

1283
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 3: Ad said something or also, I try to really like, Okay,

1284
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 3: last night, there was a bunch of people saying, oh,

1285
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 3: AD said this and that about you on stream and

1286
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 3: he's being messy and he's being disloyal, YadA, YadA, and

1287
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 3: I'm starting to see it and I'm starting to my man,

1288
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 3: I'm starting to feel like, what this motherfucker say?

1289
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 2: And I even thought about texting him before I watched it.

1290
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 3: And then I hop on YouTube and I watched the

1291
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 3: full thirty five minute vide and I'm like, what, I

1292
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 3: don't It's nothing. It's like it's like there's like one

1293
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,439
Speaker 3: moment in the whole thing and it wasn't even something

1294
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 3: he said where I was like, I didn't like that

1295
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 3: one thing right, right, But it's also like, you know,

1296
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 3: and I owe him that to not just jump on

1297
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 3: the narrative that you got right, and but to just

1298
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 3: believe the conversation before you dig in.

1299
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 4: Man, that's pressure, brother.

1300
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 3: Because it takes you two minutes to read one hundred comments,

1301
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 3: and it will take you an hour or two hours

1302
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 3: to watch the whole podcast.

1303
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: You say his perspective, saying, hey, man, who you talking

1304
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: about like that?

1305
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 2: You run with that? Right?

1306
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: I remember you said because over there with Joe did

1307
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: Joe was hard to work with?

1308
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 4: You believe it?

1309
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 3: I mean it would appear from like the way that

1310
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 3: things went with Spotify that it was not maybe the

1311
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 3: easiest person to work with. That when you see how

1312
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 3: the complex thing went down. I mean, there's just a

1313
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 3: lot of different types of people in terms of business.

1314
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,479
Speaker 3: Joe's somebody who he sees what's going on. He's paying

1315
00:55:56,560 --> 00:56:00,879
Speaker 3: very close attention. He's extremely away of what he thinks

1316
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,320
Speaker 3: he's worth, even if sometimes he's kind of like maybe

1317
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 3: exaggerating what he's worth, you know, And it's like with

1318
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 3: the complex, fuck I forget the exact numbers, but I

1319
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 3: think it was something like AC was getting like maybe

1320
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 3: they were both getting like ten or twenty thousand a month.

1321
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 3: I wish I could remember the exact things, and Act

1322
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 3: was chilling. AC wasn't like asking for more money, even

1323
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 3: though like the shit was going pretty good on Complex

1324
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 3: right when they were doing that, every day struggle was popping,

1325
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 3: and Joe pretty much was like, I want, you know,

1326
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 3: two three times as much, and I want like this

1327
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 3: percentage ownership or whatever of the the brand partnerships, Like

1328
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 3: you know, if they got a Nike deal, he wanted

1329
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:38,919
Speaker 3: to have part of it. I wish I could remember

1330
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 3: the exact numbers, right, But you know, then in comparison,

1331
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 3: Act was kind of just like looking at it in

1332
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 3: a different way where he was thinking, I'm on Complex,

1333
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 3: I'm getting my face out there more. This is like

1334
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 3: earlier in his career, he's thinking, I'm gonna just rock

1335
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 3: out with us for a couple of years, and I'm

1336
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,479
Speaker 3: not necessarily thinking about like demanding the most money right away.

1337
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Speaker 2: It didn't take Joe.

1338
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 3: Very long to be like, yo, I want a lot

1339
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 3: more money, which I respect doing that. He was starving,

1340
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 3: but yeah, and then at the same time, when you

1341
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 3: think of acts like act kind of like seeing the

1342
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 3: value of building a relationship with complex long term.

1343
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: And he's wasn't starving and coming with the YouTube money

1344
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: Joe starving push up.

1345
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:15,720
Speaker 2: With the stall, his money might not have been great,

1346
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 2: And I know it wasn't great, man, He's kind of

1347
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 2: said that.

1348
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's just that's just what it is. So

1349
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 3: it's it's two different ways to approach you, you know. And

1350
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 3: I'm like that too, where it's like, listen, I could

1351
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 3: get brand deals all day for let's let's say ten

1352
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 3: thousand dollars, and then I could also be like, no,

1353
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 3: I'm not doing a brandy on. It's like got thirty thousand, right,

1354
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 3: and then maybe I only get to do a couple

1355
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 3: of brand deals here.

1356
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 2: And there, right, you know, instead of piping the business,

1357
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 2: or you can.

1358
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 3: You know, or you could just kind of like keep

1359
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 3: your rate a little bit more moderate and just keep

1360
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 3: getting to do this. You know, it's very much a

1361
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 3: decision for each person, I think.

1362
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: So when you think that, when you when you say

1363
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: Joe was hard to work with, what do you say

1364
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: to people who say you're hard to work with?

1365
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 4: Because I've seen what.

1366
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 2: I worked with nobody.

1367
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: Well, I've seen what it's saying that you have an

1368
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: issue with with people speaking about what happens on the

1369
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: compound or hear no Jump on their streams.

1370
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 2: I would identify that as being over zealous.

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00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 3: No, But the thing I was doing there was really

1372
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 3: just trying to because Okay, one thing about my platform

1373
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 3: that's different than a lot of platforms is if you

1374
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 3: look at something like Barstool Sports, they will give you

1375
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 3: a deal. They'll say, here's your check for the year

1376
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 3: or for the month or whatever, and this is how

1377
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 3: much money you're getting.

1378
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 2: And you're doing content.

1379
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 3: You're doing this podcast with us, and you ain't really

1380
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 3: doing anything else outside of this. You could do whatever

1381
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 3: you want, but you can't really be on camera outside

1382
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 3: of this, right. So my thing was from when we

1383
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 3: started this, I wasn't thinking like, oh, I'm gonna lock

1384
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 3: ad up in a contract. I'm gonna lock te releapant

1385
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 3: a contract so that they can't do shit outside of there.

1386
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 3: So as a result, a lot of them have started

1387
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 3: their own streams, and some of them are having real success.

1388
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 3: Some of them it's kind of whatever, but like damn

1389
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 3: near like half the host on the platform, probably more

1390
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 3: than half and a bunch of people who work here.

1391
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 3: They all got their own different thing, And to me,

1392
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 3: I don't really see a stream or a podcast as

1393
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 3: being all that different from having your own Instagram or

1394
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 3: having a TikTok or whatever the fuck it is. So

1395
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 3: that's not something that I've felt the need to be

1396
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 3: like extremely controlling about. But the one thing that I

1397
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 3: brought up was basically that I felt like a lot

1398
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 3: of people on our team were kind of like taking

1399
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 3: the incentives that are right there of oh, you can

1400
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 3: make content about your friends and talk about your friends,

1401
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 3: and can get into messy about your friends, and they

1402
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 3: were letting that get in the way of them just

1403
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 3: being good friends. And I brought an example to the table.

1404
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 3: I said, like, listen, look at all the crews that

1405
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 3: we look at and hip hop that we respect how

1406
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 3: they move. I'm going to bring out TD as an example.

1407
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 3: I feel like probably over the years, there's been some

1408
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 3: times where Kendrick had some animosity towards somebody on the

1409
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 3: team or school boy que not getting along with somebody

1410
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 3: or the manager at the and they're not getting along.

1411
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 3: This going on behind the scenes, right, I'm sure I

1412
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 3: don't even need somebody to tell me. I just know

1413
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 3: that there's been drama. We don't know about it. Fucking QC,

1414
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 3: migos whatever. This is crazy amount of my team, for sure.

1415
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 3: But I mean even just the migos. I mean, clearly

1416
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 3: there's recipes take off, but clearly.

1417
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 4: Before Pete take off. I'm sorry, I Pete take piece of.

1418
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 3: Take off, but before all that even, I mean clearly

1419
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 3: there was drama going on. We didn't know about it

1420
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 3: because they're not coming out and talking about it. I

1421
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 3: was just telling my team I want us to move

1422
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 3: more like that. If you have a problem with me,

1423
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 3: come talk to me. Don't go on the stream and say, oh,

1424
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 3: I think Adam kind of way be doing this, even

1425
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 3: if you feel like you're kind of joking or you

1426
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 3: feel like it's it's for content, it's funny or whatever

1427
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 3: it's like.

1428
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of stuff that they could.

1429
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 3: Talk about with me that I don't give two fus,

1430
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 3: But when it's stuff that kind of gets a little

1431
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 3: bit serious.

1432
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: So it ain't the fact that they're making content, it's

1433
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 1: the things that it's the stirring of the pot that you're.

1434
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 3: Seeing, right, I feel like if anything I deserve a

1435
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 3: lot of credit for being so open minded and telling

1436
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 3: them to go get that money. Last night I was

1437
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 3: on Trell's stream with him and his girl and his

1438
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 3: homie snack but three hours so I just went.

1439
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 2: Pulled up support that did the whole thing. Dope.

1440
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, just just because I fuck with him doing his

1441
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 3: own thing and I want to support that.

1442
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 2: So I don't like.

1443
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 3: My only thing about it was sometimes I got to

1444
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 3: jump in there and be like, listen, we ain't moving

1445
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 3: right And because think about it, because Kendrick or school

1446
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 3: boy Q now. Granted, like they all got enough money,

1447
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 3: they ain't really incentive of it by ship, but I

1448
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 3: mean they know they could be in the headlines. They

1449
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 3: know they could have some viral YouTube clips if they

1450
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 3: were talking about each other, but they don't do it.

1451
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 3: You know, Quavo could have had a five million view

1452
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 3: YouTube video if he wanted to make a video saying

1453
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 3: this is why IMU and offsh don't get along, but

1454
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 3: they don't do it. That's all I was saying to

1455
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 3: my team is like, let's move more as a unit

1456
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 3: and like and and there's been a lot of stuff

1457
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 3: like that, even where I've told people like, hey, I

1458
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 3: can't really with you if you with this person that

1459
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 3: I look at as an op and we have a

1460
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 3: real conversation about it and we decide that we're gonna

1461
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 3: move differently. We're gonna not We're not going to like

1462
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 3: just go with different people that that we don't. We

1463
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 3: got to like move a little bit differently, or at

1464
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 3: least that's how I want to move as a unit,

1465
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 3: you know, because the truth is is that I could

1466
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 3: get a lot of confused talking about everybody else's drama.

1467
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 3: We're gonna get less druma. We're gonna have less views

1468
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 3: talking about each other because a lot of us are not.

1469
01:01:55,760 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 1: As you may get lived, but they may get And

1470
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: that's why it becomes unfair. Right, And I wonder why

1471
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 1: don't you feel like it's a work around, like it's

1472
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 1: a marketing tool. Why do you feel like it stops

1473
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: there right that narrative doesn't continue to bring those views

1474
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: back to No Jumper? Is there any credence today you

1475
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 1: lend any credence to the work around?

1476
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 3: But see, that's the thing is that bringing viewers to

1477
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 3: No Jumper is cool and everything, But ultimately I think

1478
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 3: us moving in a respectable way is a lot more.

1479
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 3: And it's your right to say because we have to

1480
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 3: ignore the incentives because like the thing about what my

1481
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 3: life would be like if I just followed the.

1482
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 2: Incentives, dope as good game. If I followed the incentives.

1483
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 3: Listen, maybe this interview comes out and I think to myself,

1484
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 3: you know what, I get a million views, I'm gonna

1485
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 3: make a YouTube video saying this dude.

1486
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 2: Like that really might work.

1487
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm a piece of shit if I do that.

1488
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 3: You know, if I got a problem with you, I

1489
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 3: should call you a text or whatever it is.

1490
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 2: You know.

1491
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 3: So it's like, that's one thing I think a lot

1492
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 3: of people sometimes who get into rap or have a

1493
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 3: hard time or get into making content about rap or whatever.

1494
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 3: Sometimes I have a hard time realizing is like give

1495
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 3: up the short term value for the long term brows.

1496
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: That's good game, man. They need to soak that up.

1497
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, man, I'm coming by. I know you're

1498
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 1: a busy man, you know. So another episode, man, it's

1499
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: up that podcast, get that game, do something with it.

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01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 2: Adam twenty two to skin good time.

1501
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 4: Hey it's your.

1502
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 1: Boy, louned from miss Up the podcast. Thank you for

1503
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 1: watching the video. You just watched. To make sure you

1504
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 1: subscribe by hitting the button you see on the screen,

1505
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 1: or go to the next video by hitting this.

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01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 2: Right here you see on the screen.

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01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 4: Biggest up that part