WEBVTT - Selects: The Great War of the Worlds Panic Myth

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<v Speaker 1>Hi there, everyone, It's me Josh. For this week's select

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<v Speaker 1>I've chosen our episode on the War of the World's

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<v Speaker 1>myth from November twenty twenty. One of the great myths

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<v Speaker 1>of the twentieth century is that Orson Wells nineteen thirty

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<v Speaker 1>eight War of the World's broadcast set off a mass

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<v Speaker 1>panic in the United States, as roobs from all corners

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<v Speaker 1>of the country grabbed their shotguns and ran senselessly through

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<v Speaker 1>the streets and prayed death would be swift. Well, it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out America is less gullible than that. Instead, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gullible about the idea that we're gullible. Think about that

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<v Speaker 1>one as you enjoy this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's

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<v Speaker 1>Charles w Chuck Bryan over there. It's just the two

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<v Speaker 1>of us batching it up without you.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh man, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Think Jerry's inclusion. We're still batching it up. How do

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<v Speaker 4>you mean, I mean, does she really ruin the batch

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<v Speaker 4>scene for us?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure? She's very maternal and Judge's true.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, you were headed down a kind road for

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<v Speaker 4>a second.

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<v Speaker 1>I was with Jerry. Yeah, that doesn't sound like me.

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<v Speaker 1>So for all of you who are just tuning into

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<v Speaker 1>the first time Welcome, this is stuff you should know.

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<v Speaker 1>To everybody else who's tuning in for the multiple times Welcome,

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<v Speaker 1>this is stuff you should know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we never do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Some shows do that what they welcome new listeners.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and kind of say what they do. And I

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<v Speaker 4>mean we've literally never done that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fine, that's lame. Hi wis who does that? Any

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<v Speaker 1>friends of ours?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? I mean the guys on the Flop House. They've

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<v Speaker 4>been podcasting as long as we have. In every single episode,

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<v Speaker 4>they say who they are and what they do.

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<v Speaker 3>No, okay, well do you want to do that this

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<v Speaker 3>one time?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm Chuck Bryant and this is Josh Clark, and

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<v Speaker 4>this is a podcast where we explain things in a

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<v Speaker 4>lighthearted and fun and sometimes even funny way.

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<v Speaker 3>I disagree with all of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, So what we're going to talk about today

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<v Speaker 1>because I think we need to talk about this one

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<v Speaker 1>in a slightly somber tone. Chuck, it's a blemish in

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<v Speaker 1>the history of America really, if you think about it.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, and you know what, I've never actually had

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<v Speaker 4>listened to it until this week, same here, and it was.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a lot of fun to actually listen to. I

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<v Speaker 4>would recommend it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, especially in a dark room where that's all you're

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<v Speaker 1>concentrating on, not like a second screen kind of thing,

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<v Speaker 1>like where you're really listening to this radio play.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and try to put yourself there a little bit

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<v Speaker 4>like what it must have been like in well, not

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<v Speaker 4>eighteen ninety eight, that's when the book came out.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but in nineteen thirty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean what forty years later, Just in that forty

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<v Speaker 1>year stretch, I mean, think about the difference between nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty and twenty twenty. Not ridiculously different periods, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>gotten eighteen ninety eight exactly. Oh yeah, it's gone downhill.

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<v Speaker 1>And don't think that had nothing to do with Reagan's

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<v Speaker 1>election in nineteen eighty. But the difference between eighteen ninety

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<v Speaker 1>eight and nineteen thirty eight, yeah, are It's just like

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<v Speaker 1>two different worlds, man, two different worlds. Comma War of the.

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<v Speaker 4>So, I guess we should start with the book written

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<v Speaker 4>by the great HG. Wells. It was the very first

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<v Speaker 4>alien invasion story to hit the bookshelves, and that's a

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<v Speaker 4>pretty remarkable thing. It was a serialized thing at first

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<v Speaker 4>in magazines and Pearson's and the UK, and then Cosmo

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<v Speaker 4>here in the US, and then they finally slapped all

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<v Speaker 4>those serialized versions together into a book and it sold

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<v Speaker 4>pretty well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's never been out to print since that first

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<v Speaker 1>edition in eighteen ninety eight. That's pretty respectable. I expect

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<v Speaker 1>that as much for our book as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm sure it'll be still being published in forty

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<v Speaker 4>years or one hundred years. Yeah, one hundred and forty years.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, let's hope.

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<v Speaker 1>So in this book, and like you said, first alien

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<v Speaker 1>invasion story ever published, which is you know, just the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that this is a completely new premise, new conceit

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<v Speaker 1>made it, you know, kind of scary.

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<v Speaker 3>But in the book, HG.

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<v Speaker 1>Wells describes like this, this alien invasion, and part of

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that was so scary about it, at least

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, from what I can gather, is that

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<v Speaker 1>it was about like the breakdown of society. And we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking like Victorian era England society, where like rigid social

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<v Speaker 1>rules and customs and mores and guidance for all behavior

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<v Speaker 1>at all times was like the norm. So the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of that breaking down was scary on in and of itself.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that made the book kind of scary to

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<v Speaker 1>contemporary readers. Would that be right readers back then? And

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<v Speaker 1>that was one big theme that Wells explored. Another one

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<v Speaker 1>that he explored in that at least I think whoever

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<v Speaker 1>wrote the Encyclopedia Britannica article on it said that the

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<v Speaker 1>main point of this, the main subtext, was learning how

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<v Speaker 1>humans dominion over animals can be, you know, cruel and thoughtless,

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<v Speaker 1>because all of a sudden, with these alien invaders who

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<v Speaker 1>were just wiping us off the map, we were like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, domesticated animals to them.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so the shoe was on the other hoof, and

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<v Speaker 4>sure it caused or at least it was intended to

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<v Speaker 4>cause people to take kind of a hard look at

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<v Speaker 4>pre animal farm to make sort of a social statement

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<v Speaker 4>about how we treated animals. Yeah, And so that was

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<v Speaker 4>in eighteen ninety eight. If you flash forward to Orson

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<v Speaker 4>Wells and his Mercury Theater version, he this is, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>like you said, we're right in the middle or we're

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<v Speaker 4>in the Great Depression and we're headed towards war, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's sort of an uneasy feeling in the United States

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<v Speaker 4>as a whole. So he thought, perfect time to go

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<v Speaker 4>in there, put a fresh coat of pain on this

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<v Speaker 4>thing and scare the bejeebis out of the American public

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<v Speaker 4>by doing really something that they had never heard before,

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<v Speaker 4>which was sort of a Verita style production.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I mean it's easy to overlook today, but

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<v Speaker 1>radio was still rather new at the time in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty eight. It was like a you know, cutting edge

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<v Speaker 1>technological medium, and it was not fully defined. So the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of creating this, I guess hoax broadcast is the

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<v Speaker 1>best you can call it. This fictionalized version that was

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<v Speaker 1>what would you call it? Man, I hate that word

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<v Speaker 1>so much.

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<v Speaker 4>I know it's really taken on a bad tang here lately. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean it's verite. It's, you know, of a faux

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<v Speaker 4>documentary style, right, thing that no one had ever heard. Like,

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<v Speaker 4>there's no way when people heard this they would think, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>this is you know, I know, Christopher, guess this is

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<v Speaker 4>sort of a scary version. I've seen Blair Witch. I

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<v Speaker 4>know what's going on here.

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<v Speaker 3>I recognize Lenny from Laverne and Shirley anywhere. I know

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<v Speaker 3>that's not real.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So they weren't prepared for this in nineteen thirty

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<v Speaker 4>eight when orson Wells, he was already a big name

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<v Speaker 4>in radio as the voice of the Shadow, which was

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<v Speaker 4>big hit, and his Mercury Theater was pretty pretty well

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<v Speaker 4>respected at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like a live stage theater. So they'd only

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<v Speaker 1>had this show for a few months by the time

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<v Speaker 1>October nineteen thirty eight rolled around. But their whole jam

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<v Speaker 1>was they were on CBS, and CBS had them do

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<v Speaker 1>our long radio adaptations of class like novels like Treasure Island.

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<v Speaker 1>They did around the world in eighty days, and so

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<v Speaker 1>since it was October, they wanted to do something spooky

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<v Speaker 1>around Halloween something, so they decided Yeah, so they were like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the most boring scary book there is? And they said, HG.

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<v Speaker 1>Wells War the Worlds. So they decided to adapt it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so they got together, they're rehearsing. We'll talk a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit more about that in a sec. But there

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't a strong feeling among the cast and crew and

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<v Speaker 4>the production group that thought it was going to be

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<v Speaker 4>awesome because I think probably because they had never done

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<v Speaker 4>anything like this, they had never heard anything like this.

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<v Speaker 4>They thought, is this even going to be any good.

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<v Speaker 4>And a couple of different sources in the production went

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<v Speaker 4>to a radio critic ahead of time, it's like thanks

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<v Speaker 4>a lot, and they said, by the way, this is

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<v Speaker 4>going to be a real stinker.

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<v Speaker 1>They said, Apparently two different people in the production said

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<v Speaker 1>that this will put everyone to sleep. And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have the impression that it's strictly because they didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>any frame of reference to judge it against, because no

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<v Speaker 1>one had done this before. From what I can gather,

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<v Speaker 1>the originally it was going to be really bad and

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<v Speaker 1>really terrible, and the production and the cast and crew

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<v Speaker 1>knew this. They knew that they were marching toward embarrassment

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<v Speaker 1>with the early versions of the of the script.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so orson, he's sort of distracted. He's got a

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<v Speaker 4>stage production going on. He's got his partner in his group,

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<v Speaker 4>the great John Houseman you all know from the paper Chase,

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<v Speaker 4>kind of a legendary actor. He was one of his

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<v Speaker 4>original partners, and he got together with Howard is it Kotch.

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<v Speaker 4>I never know if it's going to be a Cotra

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<v Speaker 4>Coke doesn't matter, all right, koc h. And he was

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<v Speaker 4>the writer who was adapting the novel and they were like,

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<v Speaker 4>we got to make this thing better. And one thing

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<v Speaker 4>I think we can do this was Houseman talking, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not going to do with John Houseman, but everyone knows

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<v Speaker 4>how he's out right.

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<v Speaker 1>When I came across Shawn house and being involved, he

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I can't wait.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't even remember. I mean, he was just very

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<v Speaker 4>serious and sort of all I can think of his

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<v Speaker 4>paper chase and what was the TV commercial was it?

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<v Speaker 3>I want to say it was like Schwab or no,

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<v Speaker 3>Merily Lynch.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it might have been Merrill Lynch Maybe I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know. But one of those finance firms he did

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<v Speaker 4>he voiced for, well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was very famous for having a very high pitch,

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<v Speaker 1>squeaky falsetto voice, and he talked very very fast.

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<v Speaker 3>And actually I know who it was. It was FedEx

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<v Speaker 3>and Dunkin Donuts. He was well known for.

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<v Speaker 4>It, right, he was the time to make the donuts

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<v Speaker 4>guy right with the mustag. So Houseman and Cotch Coke

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<v Speaker 4>went in there and he said, one of the things

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<v Speaker 4>we should do, probably to make this a little more

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<v Speaker 4>scary and a little more believable that it's an actual broadcast,

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<v Speaker 4>is you know time passes in the book, and we

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<v Speaker 4>can't do that here, so let's just get rid of

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<v Speaker 4>all that stuff so it gives the appearance that it's

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<v Speaker 4>going down right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was enormously a huge change. And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if he did that to help the pacing move

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<v Speaker 1>a little faster or what, but that would pan out

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<v Speaker 1>to be a really important difference in the original script

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<v Speaker 1>that Howard Kay turned in and the one that they

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<v Speaker 1>ended up doing. And then even beyond that, some of

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<v Speaker 1>the other changes came just hours before broadcast, because apparently,

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<v Speaker 1>if you worked with Orson Wells, you should be on

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<v Speaker 1>the lookout for him to come in at the last

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<v Speaker 1>minute and be like, all the stuff we've been practicing

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<v Speaker 1>for a week or two, forget all of that, we're

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<v Speaker 1>doing this instead. And part of that, from what I

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<v Speaker 1>can tell, is that he was trying to shake up

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<v Speaker 1>the actor, shake them out of whatever complacency they'd work

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<v Speaker 1>themselves into with rehearsal, and to get this raw, more

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<v Speaker 1>terrified performance. And apparently it worked. I mean, I can't

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<v Speaker 1>imagine I didn't hear any rehearsals or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I would have loved to have compared, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>week before to you know, the actual podcast, but that

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<v Speaker 1>everyone delivered these really great, really great performances, and they

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<v Speaker 1>really nailed by showtime the realism in a lot of ways,

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<v Speaker 1>not just in the performances, but also in just little

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<v Speaker 1>details like they you know, they were they were doing

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<v Speaker 1>a mock radio program, which we'll talk about a little

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<v Speaker 1>more in detail in a second, but they were they

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<v Speaker 1>were pretending to have news bulletins break and so they

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<v Speaker 1>were they were doing the things that news bulletins did.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things that stuck out to me was

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<v Speaker 1>one of the eyewitnesses. So it's an actor, but one

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<v Speaker 1>of the eyewitnesses is like being interviewed by a news

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<v Speaker 1>reporter on the scene and they started to talk, and

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<v Speaker 1>the news reporter goes, can you can you speak loud?

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<v Speaker 1>Speak more loudly and move into the microphone please, and

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<v Speaker 1>that the I think the actor actually says, how's that,

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<v Speaker 1>and the guy repeats himself, and then the actor has

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<v Speaker 1>to repeat himself what he was originally saying. So it

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<v Speaker 1>has like that veneer of you know, authenticity, just from

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<v Speaker 1>little details like that that, you know, really it stood

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<v Speaker 1>out to me when I was listening for him. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you're if you're not listening for him, you you

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<v Speaker 1>just it makes you buy into the whole thing that

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<v Speaker 1>much more.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and the other big change that Wells brought along

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<v Speaker 4>was stretching out the first two halves of the thing

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<v Speaker 4>such that it went past it went forty minutes, and

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<v Speaker 4>radio at the time, every thirty minutes, like on the

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<v Speaker 4>half hour, they would check in with a station id check,

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<v Speaker 4>and listeners, even though radio was new, were well honed

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<v Speaker 4>to this station break every thirty minutes. And so when

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<v Speaker 4>ten minutes passed, the half hour go by and there

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<v Speaker 4>ain't and there ain't no station break, that really makes

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<v Speaker 4>people kind of buy in to what they're listening to

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<v Speaker 4>is possibly real. And then you add to the fact

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<v Speaker 4>that there were no sponsors for this show. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 4>they weren't cutting to a Casper or or me Undy's

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<v Speaker 4>as right, all of a sudden, they can't remember any sponsor.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you imagine John Housman saying made with Modall.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I thought it'd be made with Modell.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's a much better Housman. I had something

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<v Speaker 1>in my threat.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, there were no sponsors. So basically it really

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<v Speaker 4>came across as something that was super, super realistic sounding.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So all that is to say that they had

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<v Speaker 1>really by the time this broadcast aired at eight pm

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<v Speaker 1>on Sunday, October thirtieth, nineteen thirty eight, they were not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be the laughing stock and this is not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be embarrassing. It was going to be pretty awesome.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually, should we take a break?

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<v Speaker 1>I think so, Chuck, and then we'll come back and

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<v Speaker 1>we will reveal the broadcast after this. Okay, so we've

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<v Speaker 1>reached showtime. Airtime, eight pm, Sunday, October thirtieth, nineteen thirty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>Mercury Theater on the Air began broadcasting its adaptation of HG.

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<v Speaker 1>Wells War of the World, and at the very beginning

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<v Speaker 1>it's introduced as much. There's an announcer who says that.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's loss is probably to time somewhat, because

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<v Speaker 4>everyone probably thinks that they just tried to trick everyone.

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<v Speaker 4>But no, they actually introduced it as what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know that this is a radio place at

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<v Speaker 4>one year in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, right, And yeah, Orson Wells. So it's introduced by

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<v Speaker 1>an announcer. Orson Wells comes in, does the introductory essay,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they did something really smart and interesting, especially

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<v Speaker 1>for the time they went to a musical program that

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<v Speaker 1>was supposedly being broadcast from the Meridian Room in the

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<v Speaker 1>hotel Park Plaza. So if you were just tuning in

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<v Speaker 1>right then, you would have no idea that this was

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<v Speaker 1>Mercury Theater on the air. You'd have no idea that

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<v Speaker 1>this was a teleplay. You would think that you were

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<v Speaker 1>listening to something that was pretty regularly broadcast, which was

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<v Speaker 1>live music at some like ballroom in a hotel somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>in New York that they set up like a radio

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<v Speaker 1>transmitter to transmit out over the radio.

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<v Speaker 3>That was pretty frequent. But this was part of the show.

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<v Speaker 4>Like if you hadn't paused it, that is right right.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly so, but that was a huge part of the

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<v Speaker 1>show because that lulled listeners into kind of complacency, and

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<v Speaker 1>listeners who tuned in late and missed that introduction thought

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<v Speaker 1>that this is what they were listening to. And then

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<v Speaker 1>the first news bulletin.

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<v Speaker 4>Hits yeah, and that's where things start to get really interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>They break in, you know, one of these interrupt your

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<v Speaker 4>previously scheduled programs kind of things, right, right, and they

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<v Speaker 4>come in and with these bulletins but they're not super

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<v Speaker 4>long at first because they treat it kind of how

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<v Speaker 4>it would be in real life. It's just sort of

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<v Speaker 4>a breaking story. Something's going together. It was fairly obtuse,

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<v Speaker 4>and they didn't like, you know, say, Martians are attacking

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<v Speaker 4>us right now everyone from the get go. I sort

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<v Speaker 4>of left it up to the listener to kind of

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<v Speaker 4>piece it together. Little by little. They would go back

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<v Speaker 4>to the Meridian room for a bit, and it wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>for very long, but because you know, they couldn't waste

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<v Speaker 4>too much time, but it was long enough. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>for like ten seconds. They did it for like a minute,

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<v Speaker 4>minute and a half, right.

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<v Speaker 1>It made it seem right then, like that was what

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<v Speaker 1>you were listening to, that that was the program, and

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<v Speaker 1>the bulletin was in fact the bulletin rather than the

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<v Speaker 1>opposite being true.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So eventually you start to piece together what's going on,

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<v Speaker 4>and you have this attack in New Jersey of all places,

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<v Speaker 4>and Princeton University they had like a Princeton astronomer on.

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<v Speaker 4>They have government officials, and they kind of dole it

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<v Speaker 4>out a little by little until about the seventeen minutes

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<v Speaker 4>seventeen and a half minute mark, and then that's when

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<v Speaker 4>it really kind of gets super scary and people really

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<v Speaker 4>see the full picture of what's going on.

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<v Speaker 3>So, Chuck, I feel like we should read a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit of the script.

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<v Speaker 1>There's this one part starting about the seventeen thirty minute

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<v Speaker 1>market think you said, where they as I like to say,

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<v Speaker 1>they tore the lid off the sucker.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you want to be announcer or Phillips?

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be the announcer, all right, okay, but I want

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<v Speaker 1>you to do Phillips as Sammy Davis Junior.

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<v Speaker 3>So here's the announcer.

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<v Speaker 4>Wait, hold on, I'm getting all my tap shoes.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Okay, you ready, canty ma'am uh.

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<v Speaker 4>Huh sure, bab, I'm not gonna do it that way.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, all right, So.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me give you a little bit of background real quick.

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<v Speaker 1>So these news bulletin's up to this point have basically

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<v Speaker 1>said there's some weird thing that landed. They thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was a meteorite at first, that landed in Grover's Mill,

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<v Speaker 1>New Jersey, and then later bulletins said that, oh, actually

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<v Speaker 1>there's some weird technical like weird things emerging from this

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<v Speaker 1>thing we thought was a meteorite. So now we're back

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<v Speaker 1>at Grover's Mil. So I'm the announcer. We are bringing

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<v Speaker 1>you an eyewitness account of what's happening on the Willmuth Farm,

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<v Speaker 1>Grover's Mill, New Jersey. And that was kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>they were breaking in to let you know that. And

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<v Speaker 1>then they go back to more piano for some reason.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we now return you to Carl Phillips at

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<v Speaker 1>Grover's mil.

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<v Speaker 4>Ladies and gentlemen, am I am I on, ladies and gentlemen.

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<v Speaker 4>Here I am back up a stone wall that adjoins

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<v Speaker 4>mister Wilmo's garden. From here I get a sweep of

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<v Speaker 4>the whole scene. I give you every detail as long

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<v Speaker 4>as I can talk, as long as I can see.

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<v Speaker 4>More State police have arrived. They're drawing up a cordon

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<v Speaker 4>in front of the pit, about thirty of them. No

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<v Speaker 4>need to push the crowd back now, they're willing to

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<v Speaker 4>keep their distance. The captain is conferring with someone we

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<v Speaker 4>can't quite see who. Oh, yes, I believe it's a

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<v Speaker 4>professor Pearson. Yes it is. Now they've parted. The professor

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<v Speaker 4>moves around one side, studying the object, while the captain

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<v Speaker 4>and two policemen advance with something in their hands. I

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<v Speaker 4>can see it now. It's a white handkerchief tied to

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<v Speaker 4>a pole, a flag of truce. If those creatures know

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<v Speaker 4>what that means, what anything means? Wait, something's happening.

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<v Speaker 5>Sh you can cut in anytime. Who can take a rainbow?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh wait, sorry, a hump shape is rising out of

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<v Speaker 4>the pit. I can make out a small beam of

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<v Speaker 4>light against a mirror.

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<v Speaker 2>What's that?

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<v Speaker 4>There's a jet there's a jet flame springing from the mirror,

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<v Speaker 4>and it leaps right at the advancing men. It strikes

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<v Speaker 4>them head on. Good lord, they're turning into flame.

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<v Speaker 2>Go go.

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<v Speaker 4>Now. The whole field's caught fire, the woods, the barns,

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<v Speaker 4>the gas tanks of automobiles, spreading everywhere. It's coming this

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<v Speaker 4>way about twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Yards to my right.

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<v Speaker 3>Very nice and scene.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that was great, Chuck. So they they you mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>or I should say Phillips. The reporter on the scene

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned Professor Pearson, and he's this he ends up being

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<v Speaker 1>the main character, and he's, uh, he's an interview he's

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<v Speaker 1>in an astronomer I's interviewed earlier on and then he's

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<v Speaker 1>on this scene as it happens, and the program just

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<v Speaker 1>keeps going like that like, there's another there's a main

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<v Speaker 1>announcer who I played. I thought rather well, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>and same to you.

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<v Speaker 4>But the future as a folly artist, if I may say.

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<v Speaker 1>So, thank you very much. I've been practicing. You want

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<v Speaker 1>to hear my machine gun? I've been doing that one

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<v Speaker 1>since I was like six.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, how about walking through the forest? All right? Now,

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<v Speaker 4>how about a good punch to the face. Oh wow,

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<v Speaker 4>that was good.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you. I punched myself in the thing. I'm dedicated.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how dedicated to the art of folly.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So the announcer just keeps bringing in more and more

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<v Speaker 1>news as this thing goes on and unfolds of like,

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<v Speaker 1>now these things aren't just in New Jersey, They're in Chicago.

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<v Speaker 3>They're like out west.

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<v Speaker 1>They're starting to invade everywhere, and they're killing people left

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<v Speaker 1>and right. That you said there was a government official

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<v Speaker 1>that reads a statement is actually that they say that

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<v Speaker 1>it's the Secretary of the Interior, which I thought was

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<v Speaker 1>particularly genius because I mean, probably not that many people

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<v Speaker 1>were familiar with the Secretary of the Interior.

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<v Speaker 3>It's on Harold.

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<v Speaker 1>Ix, but they had him sound like FDR so that

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<v Speaker 1>it would kind of play on everyone's I guess unconscious

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<v Speaker 1>or I'm sure there were people who are like the

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<v Speaker 1>sounds just like FDR. But at the very least, it

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<v Speaker 1>would kind of evoke that government authority, the reality of

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<v Speaker 1>like a government figure.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. So meanwhile, on the other stations, there's one that's

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<v Speaker 4>running opposite, which is a really really popular radio show

0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:11.960
<v Speaker 4>at the time, probably the most popular, Chase in Sanborn Hour,

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<v Speaker 4>which had the very very famous ventriloquist Edgar Bergan and

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<v Speaker 4>his dummy Charlie McCarthy.

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<v Speaker 1>And we talked about that on our Ventilaquism episode. Remember

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<v Speaker 1>that they started out on radio.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, which is hysterical. I don't even know why they

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<v Speaker 4>would even bother with the dummy part, just due.

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<v Speaker 3>To you wouldn't even know that's what he did.

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<v Speaker 1>You wouldn't even have to wear pants, No, sit around

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<v Speaker 1>in your spaghetti stained undershirt and yeah, naked from the

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<v Speaker 1>waist down, maybe some socks. Doing a couple of voices

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<v Speaker 1>is your contract?

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<v Speaker 4>Edgar Bergen, what do you think about that? Charlie, don't

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<v Speaker 4>get me started, like that's it. I could be a

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<v Speaker 4>famous vinchiloquist on the radio.

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<v Speaker 3>You just you just did it. I think I think

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<v Speaker 3>Hollywood's going to come with calling.

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<v Speaker 4>But the real sort of interesting factoid here, I think,

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<v Speaker 4>is that people were channel surfing back then when you

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<v Speaker 4>cut to commercial, just like we used to do when

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<v Speaker 4>we didn't have pause buttons and fast forward buttons.

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<v Speaker 3>And what is this pause button? You keep mentioning, I've

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<v Speaker 3>never heard of this.

0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:20.600
<v Speaker 4>You've never paused television? No, wow, you need to.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't believe I've ever paused anything in my life.

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<v Speaker 4>It's funny. We were Emily and I have been watching

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<v Speaker 4>that German sci fi series Dark, which is very challenging

0:24:31.760 --> 0:24:36.320
<v Speaker 4>to follow. And uh, there's a lot of rewinding like wait, wait,

0:24:36.359 --> 0:24:37.760
<v Speaker 4>who is that? What did they just say? And we

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<v Speaker 4>rewinded a bit and do that again, and or you know,

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<v Speaker 4>of course I got to go to the bathroom. Let

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<v Speaker 4>me just pause it. And I was thinking about how,

0:24:44.200 --> 0:24:47.680
<v Speaker 4>not too long ago, you just if you missed something,

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<v Speaker 4>you missed it.

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<v Speaker 3>You just peed the count, or you ped yourself on

0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:51.080
<v Speaker 3>the couch.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, there was no clear like, let me go back

0:24:54.400 --> 0:24:56.440
<v Speaker 4>and clear this up. It's like, what did he say?

0:24:56.560 --> 0:24:58.640
<v Speaker 4>I have no idea. I guess we'll never know. There's

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<v Speaker 4>no internet ended up.

0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:03.320
<v Speaker 1>I guess I should probably stop watching this show altogether

0:25:03.320 --> 0:25:05.560
<v Speaker 1>and you go walk up to the VCR and presson Jack.

0:25:06.040 --> 0:25:09.600
<v Speaker 4>But at any rate, back then, let's say Charlie McCarthy

0:25:09.680 --> 0:25:12.479
<v Speaker 4>goes to break and now I'll word from Mark Doncher

0:25:13.359 --> 0:25:16.200
<v Speaker 4>and they flip it over to War the Worlds. At

0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:19.240
<v Speaker 4>this point in the broadcast, when the s is hitting

0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:22.200
<v Speaker 4>the fan and it's going to scare the pants off

0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:23.680
<v Speaker 4>of people in nineteen thirty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, even more than I think that they would

0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:29.520
<v Speaker 1>have dialed over even before that, so they might have

0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:32.399
<v Speaker 1>caught like a news bulletin and then maybe some of

0:25:32.440 --> 0:25:35.760
<v Speaker 1>that music from the Meridian Room, so it really would

0:25:35.760 --> 0:25:38.880
<v Speaker 1>have caught them. And there were supposedly a substantial number

0:25:38.880 --> 0:25:41.359
<v Speaker 1>of people who did dial over and were like, wait, wait,

0:25:41.520 --> 0:25:45.800
<v Speaker 1>what is going on here? And now we come to

0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:49.520
<v Speaker 1>the reaction, the response, because if you picked up the

0:25:49.560 --> 0:25:55.000
<v Speaker 1>paper the next day in America, just about anywhere in

0:25:55.040 --> 0:25:59.800
<v Speaker 1>any major city, you're going to find huge, blaring headlines

0:25:59.840 --> 0:26:02.000
<v Speaker 1>like the one that the New York Daily News printed

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<v Speaker 1>in tall bold letters. Fake radio war stirs terror through

0:26:07.920 --> 0:26:08.680
<v Speaker 1>the US.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, stories of shock in hysteria, stories of people taking

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<v Speaker 4>their own life, stories of people dying from heart attacks.

0:26:18.880 --> 0:26:21.160
<v Speaker 4>The API said a man in Pittsburgh found his wife

0:26:21.200 --> 0:26:24.400
<v Speaker 4>with poison in her hand and said, I'm gonna I'd

0:26:24.480 --> 0:26:27.800
<v Speaker 4>rather die this way than like that. And you know,

0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:32.000
<v Speaker 4>talking to Wells afterward, in the aftermath of this, he

0:26:32.080 --> 0:26:36.920
<v Speaker 4>apologizes publicly says they didn't intend to do this, we

0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:40.280
<v Speaker 4>didn't know it was going to cause a panic. And then,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, if you look over the years more interviews,

0:26:42.400 --> 0:26:45.359
<v Speaker 4>it sort of seems like Wells is a little more like,

0:26:46.680 --> 0:26:48.159
<v Speaker 4>you know, we thought it would be pretty fun to

0:26:48.160 --> 0:26:50.280
<v Speaker 4>scare people, and I didn't know if it was going

0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:52.520
<v Speaker 4>to cause a panic, but we definitely intended it to

0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:57.720
<v Speaker 4>have this effect on people, whereas Houseman and Kotch were like, no,

0:26:57.920 --> 0:27:01.360
<v Speaker 4>we really didn't mean it. So it of conflicting reports

0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:03.560
<v Speaker 4>from the production on what they thought was going to

0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:04.600
<v Speaker 4>be the result.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And I read an interview with John Landis, the

0:27:08.680 --> 0:27:12.240
<v Speaker 1>great director who worked with Wells on a project that

0:27:12.320 --> 0:27:14.560
<v Speaker 1>never got made towards the end of Well's life, and

0:27:14.600 --> 0:27:16.399
<v Speaker 1>he didn't say that Wells admitted to him that he

0:27:16.480 --> 0:27:18.480
<v Speaker 1>meant to, but he got to know him enough that

0:27:18.520 --> 0:27:22.359
<v Speaker 1>he was like, yes, if you watch this initial press

0:27:22.400 --> 0:27:26.480
<v Speaker 1>conference where he's apologizing, because the whole country was ripped

0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:29.560
<v Speaker 1>apart in chaos, and we're running wild in the streets

0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:33.800
<v Speaker 1>and like nearly rioted because of his broadcast.

0:27:34.320 --> 0:27:35.840
<v Speaker 3>He is not at all.

0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:39.760
<v Speaker 1>He's just as happy as a lark that this all happened,

0:27:40.160 --> 0:27:43.240
<v Speaker 1>even though he's pretending to apologize, and he said that

0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:45.080
<v Speaker 1>was just that's his source of wells.

0:27:45.400 --> 0:27:46.920
<v Speaker 4>Did you just say apologize.

0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:51.840
<v Speaker 3>It's a new version I'm testing out. I like it.

0:27:51.520 --> 0:27:56.600
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of yeah, it's at least as good as apologize.

0:27:57.000 --> 0:27:59.880
<v Speaker 4>So this was just a couple of days in the news.

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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't the biggest deal in the world, even though

0:28:02.960 --> 0:28:08.479
<v Speaker 4>it was fairly sensational story writing for newspapers. And it

0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:10.600
<v Speaker 4>might have just gone that way had it not been

0:28:11.200 --> 0:28:15.640
<v Speaker 4>for a Princeton University social psychologist a couple of years

0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:21.280
<v Speaker 4>later named Hadley Cantrell. And Cantrell released a book on

0:28:21.400 --> 0:28:25.639
<v Speaker 4>the real effects of this thing and basically said that

0:28:25.760 --> 0:28:29.439
<v Speaker 4>you know, people were praying, crying, they were frantically trying

0:28:29.480 --> 0:28:32.920
<v Speaker 4>to escape death from the Martians. Six million people listen

0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:35.320
<v Speaker 4>to this thing, and at least one six of them

0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:39.400
<v Speaker 4>were frightened or disturbed. And I have the evidence right here.

0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:44.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the evidence that he had was based on a

0:28:44.280 --> 0:28:47.320
<v Speaker 1>series of interviews with one hundred and thirty five people.

0:28:47.720 --> 0:28:50.360
<v Speaker 1>Almost all of them were in New Jersey, which remember

0:28:50.440 --> 0:28:53.880
<v Speaker 1>that's where the crux of the invasion and destruction being

0:28:53.920 --> 0:28:57.120
<v Speaker 1>described took place. Because Grover's Mille, New Jersey, is actually

0:28:57.160 --> 0:29:01.360
<v Speaker 1>a real town in Jersey. So he went to Jersey

0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:03.959
<v Speaker 1>because he was in Princeton. So he went where he

0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:07.080
<v Speaker 1>was and interviewed one hundred and thirty five people, and

0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:11.600
<v Speaker 1>he said, were you scared by this broadcast? And the

0:29:11.640 --> 0:29:15.000
<v Speaker 1>participant would say yes, and he'd say, you're in my study.

0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:17.600
<v Speaker 1>And he'd ask the next one, were you scared? Were

0:29:17.640 --> 0:29:20.480
<v Speaker 1>you scared by this broadcast? And they would say no.

0:29:20.560 --> 0:29:22.280
<v Speaker 1>He'd be like, you're not in the study.

0:29:22.360 --> 0:29:22.840
<v Speaker 3>That's crazy.

0:29:22.840 --> 0:29:25.840
<v Speaker 1>And so yeah, he said in the in the methodology

0:29:25.920 --> 0:29:28.200
<v Speaker 1>that he selected one hundred out of the one hundred

0:29:28.240 --> 0:29:31.280
<v Speaker 1>and thirty five because they had been scared by the broadcast.

0:29:31.920 --> 0:29:34.520
<v Speaker 1>And so he took this, these interviews of people in

0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:37.680
<v Speaker 1>New Jersey and he extrapolated it to the rest of

0:29:37.720 --> 0:29:41.680
<v Speaker 1>the country and he said, yep, this is this is real.

0:29:41.760 --> 0:29:46.640
<v Speaker 1>This is a really great example of people being fooled

0:29:46.680 --> 0:29:50.719
<v Speaker 1>into terror and panic. And you know the response is

0:29:50.800 --> 0:29:53.840
<v Speaker 1>when this happens, like we saw after the World that

0:29:53.920 --> 0:29:56.800
<v Speaker 1>we're the world's broadcast. People will run out into the street,

0:29:57.120 --> 0:30:00.320
<v Speaker 1>they will flee the city, They will call their friends

0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:04.880
<v Speaker 1>and neighbors. They may attempt suicide, they may die of

0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:09.800
<v Speaker 1>a heart attack, like the New York Times reported twenty

0:30:10.000 --> 0:30:12.840
<v Speaker 1>or so people in New York alone needed to be treated.

0:30:12.480 --> 0:30:14.560
<v Speaker 3>For shock in hysteria.

0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:19.120
<v Speaker 1>This is what happens when somebody toys with the public trust.

0:30:19.280 --> 0:30:24.600
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, it's pretty nuts. The end. Yeah, that was

0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:26.720
<v Speaker 3>the end of Hadley's Headley's book.

0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:31.760
<v Speaker 4>Right, Yeah, not the end of this episode. So this

0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:35.720
<v Speaker 4>is what this specific study is. What if you've ever

0:30:35.760 --> 0:30:40.880
<v Speaker 4>taken a mass media or a communications college class, you've

0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:45.240
<v Speaker 4>probably studied War of the Worlds largely because of this study. Basically,

0:30:45.720 --> 0:30:48.320
<v Speaker 4>it might have just come and gone if it weren't

0:30:48.320 --> 0:30:52.600
<v Speaker 4>for this academic paper that were put out and all

0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:55.680
<v Speaker 4>of a sudden. For decades and decades, it's reported on

0:30:55.760 --> 0:30:59.880
<v Speaker 4>as like a cautionary tale almost of responsibility and meet

0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:04.560
<v Speaker 4>even fictional media. And you know, as recently as twenty

0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:08.720
<v Speaker 4>thirteen PBS American Experience documentary said this was the case.

0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:10.960
<v Speaker 4>Our old pals at Radio Lab in two thousand and

0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:14.080
<v Speaker 4>eight did an episode about this where that was the case.

0:31:14.880 --> 0:31:18.000
<v Speaker 4>But there were a few problems with this paper. Beyond

0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:23.880
<v Speaker 4>the supremely bad methodology behind just getting scared New Jersey

0:31:23.880 --> 0:31:28.239
<v Speaker 4>people to go in there and give their report. Was

0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:31.440
<v Speaker 4>they found up that they ended up finding real ratings

0:31:31.480 --> 0:31:34.640
<v Speaker 4>for this thing, and not a ton of people even

0:31:34.720 --> 0:31:35.160
<v Speaker 4>heard it.

0:31:35.160 --> 0:31:39.920
<v Speaker 3>It turns out, so his six million estimate was way.

0:31:39.680 --> 0:31:42.560
<v Speaker 4>Off, way way way off. And they did a survey

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:46.240
<v Speaker 4>during the program that said two percent of respondents said

0:31:46.240 --> 0:31:49.000
<v Speaker 4>that they were listening. And some markets, like big cities

0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:53.360
<v Speaker 4>like Boston even preempted this thing for local programming. So

0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:56.760
<v Speaker 4>it wasn't a ton of people. It wasn't a ton

0:31:56.800 --> 0:32:01.280
<v Speaker 4>of people being scared and like literally losing their minds

0:32:01.320 --> 0:32:04.480
<v Speaker 4>with fear and panic and things swing so far the

0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:09.880
<v Speaker 4>other way that the narrative became. You know what, no

0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:13.040
<v Speaker 4>one was really scared at all, And what newspapers really

0:32:13.040 --> 0:32:15.880
<v Speaker 4>did was they put out hit pieces on a competing

0:32:15.960 --> 0:32:19.080
<v Speaker 4>medium like radio and how you shouldn't trust it anymore.

0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:24.640
<v Speaker 1>So what happened over the last within sometime within the

0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:28.200
<v Speaker 1>twenty first century, but sometime in the twenty tens, the

0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:32.840
<v Speaker 1>myth that America lost its mind went bonkers and ran

0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:35.280
<v Speaker 1>wild in the street because they were panicked by the

0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:38.880
<v Speaker 1>War of the World's broadcast was shown to be a

0:32:38.920 --> 0:32:43.240
<v Speaker 1>myth that it didn't happen, And that was the new

0:32:43.480 --> 0:32:47.840
<v Speaker 1>understanding for a little while, just a few years, until

0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:52.800
<v Speaker 1>another guy came along and said, you know what, they

0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:56.800
<v Speaker 1>actually both both are right and both are wrong in

0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:57.680
<v Speaker 1>a lot of ways.

0:32:57.960 --> 0:33:00.280
<v Speaker 4>Should we take a break and talk about the truth

0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:03.120
<v Speaker 4>always being somewhere in the middle? Mm hmm.

0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:55.200
<v Speaker 2>To still all.

0:33:32.920 --> 0:33:35.400
<v Speaker 4>Right, I said, the truth is always somewhere in between.

0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:38.280
<v Speaker 4>That's not always the case with everything in life, obviously,

0:33:38.320 --> 0:33:40.880
<v Speaker 4>but that's that's a saying for a reason.

0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:41.840
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:45.040
<v Speaker 4>And that's definitely seems to be the case, uh, in

0:33:45.080 --> 0:33:49.480
<v Speaker 4>this case with a gentleman named a Brad Schwartz, he's

0:33:49.520 --> 0:33:53.680
<v Speaker 4>a probably the leading War of the World scholar. And

0:33:53.920 --> 0:33:58.080
<v Speaker 4>he went back and he went and investigated the letters

0:33:58.160 --> 0:34:00.760
<v Speaker 4>and the cables that came in. They were at the

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:04.000
<v Speaker 4>University of Michigan archives and these are the letters that

0:34:04.040 --> 0:34:07.280
<v Speaker 4>actually came in to Wells and the Mercury Theater in

0:34:07.320 --> 0:34:10.160
<v Speaker 4>the days after the broadcast. And what he contends, and

0:34:10.200 --> 0:34:13.080
<v Speaker 4>I agree, is that this is what you need to

0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:15.959
<v Speaker 4>be reading, is what people were really thinking at the time,

0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:19.399
<v Speaker 4>that weren't just cherry picked in the town that got

0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:21.920
<v Speaker 4>attacked in New Jersey who were obviously they were going

0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:23.680
<v Speaker 4>to be freaked out more than anyone in the country.

0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:24.680
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:27.160
<v Speaker 1>So one of the things that he points out is,

0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:30.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, everybody been, you know, since around twenty ten

0:34:30.960 --> 0:34:34.080
<v Speaker 1>or maybe a little earlier. Everyone had been wailing on

0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:42.880
<v Speaker 1>Hadley Cantrell for his terrible, terrible methodology, but they, the revisionists,

0:34:42.960 --> 0:34:45.319
<v Speaker 1>were also kind of doing the same thing. They were

0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:48.160
<v Speaker 1>making all sorts of suppositions, like the idea that the

0:34:48.200 --> 0:34:55.360
<v Speaker 1>newspapers had basically conspired to target radio its rival to

0:34:55.480 --> 0:34:58.080
<v Speaker 1>show how irresponsible it was and how it shouldn't be

0:34:58.080 --> 0:35:00.520
<v Speaker 1>trusted with the news. There's really newspaper that should be

0:35:00.560 --> 0:35:02.759
<v Speaker 1>handling the news, and maybe you can listen to little

0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Orphan Annie on the radio. But that's about it. That

0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:08.680
<v Speaker 1>that was all supposition. That was as much supposition as

0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:13.799
<v Speaker 1>Hadley Cantrill extrapolated his findings in New Jersey to the

0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:17.320
<v Speaker 1>rest of the country. And a Brad Schwartz one of

0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:19.399
<v Speaker 1>the reasons I think he's doing in good jobs because

0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:23.479
<v Speaker 1>he's saying, no, if you actually sit down and read

0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:26.120
<v Speaker 1>these letters and these cables that were coming in in

0:35:26.160 --> 0:35:29.480
<v Speaker 1>the days after. They really probably paint the most accurate

0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:34.160
<v Speaker 1>picture anyone's ever found to this point of how it

0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:37.800
<v Speaker 1>was actually received. Like you can see almost in real

0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:41.440
<v Speaker 1>time at the time, what people were saying about this

0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:44.959
<v Speaker 1>by in their letters to orson wells, into the Mercury Theater,

0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:45.520
<v Speaker 1>on the air.

0:35:46.080 --> 0:35:49.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and it was a range of feelings. It was

0:35:49.120 --> 0:35:52.359
<v Speaker 4>everything from people who said, you know what, we knew

0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:55.800
<v Speaker 4>it wasn't real, but it was really scary and super awesome.

0:35:56.760 --> 0:35:58.520
<v Speaker 4>I don't know if they said things like super awesome.

0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:04.200
<v Speaker 4>He said that number people wrote in who actually made

0:36:04.200 --> 0:36:07.520
<v Speaker 4>fun of the people who fell for it and said that,

0:36:07.640 --> 0:36:11.640
<v Speaker 4>you know, they're gullible, they're rubes. And one writer even

0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:14.160
<v Speaker 4>said they should be sterilized and disenfranchised.

0:36:14.760 --> 0:36:17.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because they'd shown that in an actual emergency they

0:36:17.600 --> 0:36:20.279
<v Speaker 1>were undependable. They would just run around like chickens with

0:36:20.360 --> 0:36:21.840
<v Speaker 1>their heads cut off in the streets.

0:36:22.280 --> 0:36:25.239
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. And Swartz sort of draws a line between what

0:36:25.400 --> 0:36:28.440
<v Speaker 4>was going on back then to us today with this

0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:32.640
<v Speaker 4>whole fake news hoax garbage that we have to listen

0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:37.080
<v Speaker 4>to day in and day out, and basically said this

0:36:37.120 --> 0:36:40.560
<v Speaker 4>was the first viral phenomenon in media was the War

0:36:40.600 --> 0:36:43.200
<v Speaker 4>of the World's broadcast, and it was a mixed bag.

0:36:43.320 --> 0:36:46.160
<v Speaker 4>Some people loved it, some people did think it was

0:36:46.200 --> 0:36:49.600
<v Speaker 4>real and panicked, but it certainly was not this widespread

0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:52.600
<v Speaker 4>panic across the country like you were talking about.

0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:55.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he said, less than a quarter of the letters

0:36:55.400 --> 0:36:58.920
<v Speaker 1>described what he would consider panic. But even most of

0:36:58.960 --> 0:37:01.600
<v Speaker 1>those weren't actually angry when they were writing the letter.

0:37:01.680 --> 0:37:05.040
<v Speaker 3>A lot of them are thrilled he did, right.

0:37:05.280 --> 0:37:08.960
<v Speaker 1>But he did say that, yes, there are cases that

0:37:09.040 --> 0:37:14.719
<v Speaker 1>you see in these letters and cables that describe people panicking.

0:37:14.840 --> 0:37:18.160
<v Speaker 1>So that did happen in some cases. Most of it

0:37:18.200 --> 0:37:22.239
<v Speaker 1>seems to have been isolated in New Jersey. So if

0:37:22.239 --> 0:37:27.359
<v Speaker 1>Hadley Cantrill had not extrapolated his findings and had you know,

0:37:27.440 --> 0:37:30.719
<v Speaker 1>interviewed more people who had different reactions to the broadcast.

0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:33.400
<v Speaker 1>But if it had just been like an investigation into

0:37:33.440 --> 0:37:36.840
<v Speaker 1>the reaction in New Jersey, that study or that book

0:37:36.880 --> 0:37:40.000
<v Speaker 1>would have been much more useful. But the fact is,

0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:43.319
<v Speaker 1>he just screw the methodology up so badly that it's

0:37:43.719 --> 0:37:48.200
<v Speaker 1>it's basically useless. But he wasn't. He didn't make up

0:37:48.840 --> 0:37:52.680
<v Speaker 1>the panic that he described necessarily he may have exaggerated it, who.

0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:53.960
<v Speaker 3>Knows, but it did.

0:37:54.400 --> 0:37:56.920
<v Speaker 1>It does seem to have actually happened in some cases,

0:37:56.920 --> 0:38:01.120
<v Speaker 1>but it was sporadic, fume far between, certainly not organized,

0:38:01.120 --> 0:38:03.640
<v Speaker 1>and certainly not seen across the rest of the country

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<v Speaker 1>like it was reported on by the papers the next day.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, which sort of leads us to the story of

0:38:08.600 --> 0:38:14.520
<v Speaker 4>the poor pulses of Manhattan. This Manhattan couple, they did

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<v Speaker 4>fall for it. They were very scared. Apparently, as the

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:21.799
<v Speaker 4>story goes, they got their last six dollars together and

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<v Speaker 4>got on a train to get the heck out of

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<v Speaker 4>New York. Assuming not going west into New Jersey, they

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<v Speaker 4>went north toward Connecticut, got as far as they could

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<v Speaker 4>on what little money they had, get off the train,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, there's a bunch of other passengers that

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<v Speaker 4>they're telling, you know, they're warning everybody of what's happened, right,

0:38:41.719 --> 0:38:45.799
<v Speaker 4>And this one guy there goes over and gets there,

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<v Speaker 4>and a just picture of this in the movie is like,

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<v Speaker 4>no one's listening to this guy. And he picks up

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<v Speaker 4>the newspaper basically the TV guide.

0:38:52.600 --> 0:38:54.279
<v Speaker 3>It's the dunkin Donuts guy.

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<v Speaker 4>He says, hey, guys, it says right here, war the

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<v Speaker 4>world's broadcast is supposed to be on at that hour,

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<v Speaker 4>Like it just says right here in the newspaper, it's

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<v Speaker 4>a it's a radio play. Everyone no one, everyone, no one, nobody, okay.

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<v Speaker 4>And then he just goes and gets on a train

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<v Speaker 4>and leaves. But they feel bad for them that the

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<v Speaker 4>other people that were you know, that had gathered together,

0:39:17.920 --> 0:39:20.360
<v Speaker 4>they loaned them or gave them I guess some money,

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<v Speaker 4>and she chipped in and got them back to New

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<v Speaker 4>York City. And then later Estelle Paltz wrote a fifteen

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<v Speaker 4>page letter the next day to Orson Wells that was

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<v Speaker 4>very admiring and said how thrilled she was. But I

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<v Speaker 4>can't imagine what else is in that fifteen page letter.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a lot of page.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Hell of a story, I think, is what whis kept

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<v Speaker 1>just over and over and over all. Right, So so

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<v Speaker 1>that was one of the letters that Abrad Schwartz turned

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<v Speaker 1>up in that trove, and like it very clearly describes

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<v Speaker 1>a couple panicking because they mistook the War of the

0:39:56.840 --> 0:40:01.440
<v Speaker 1>World broadcast. But again, the this was not like across

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<v Speaker 1>the nation like the papers reported, and Schwartz actually explains

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<v Speaker 1>to the papers basically as a combination of a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of things. One is a bias. I can't tell if

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<v Speaker 1>it's selection bias, volunteer bias, or confirmation bias, but the

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<v Speaker 1>bias is as follows. If you're in a newsroom and

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, your phone starts ringing off the hook,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're getting one hundred and fifty percent more calls

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<v Speaker 1>that night, and all of them are people asking about

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<v Speaker 1>this Martian invasion and what's going on and is this

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<v Speaker 1>real or is this a hoax? Or have you guys

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<v Speaker 1>heard anything about this? And some of those calls are

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<v Speaker 1>even from the local police who are also getting similar calls,

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<v Speaker 1>and now they're calling you to find out. Then it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like there's a lot of people calling and freaking

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<v Speaker 1>out about this Martian thing. But if you step back,

0:40:49.840 --> 0:40:52.279
<v Speaker 1>if you zoom out and look at that number of

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<v Speaker 1>people that actually called the newsroom, it's just this minute

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<v Speaker 1>fraction of the population of whatever town it is, So

0:40:59.160 --> 0:41:01.040
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't a bunch of people freaking out. But to

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<v Speaker 1>the people answering the phone in the newsroom, who are

0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:05.800
<v Speaker 1>getting swamped with calls, way more calls than usual, it

0:41:05.960 --> 0:41:10.320
<v Speaker 1>did seem like that. So that combined with anecdotal reports

0:41:10.440 --> 0:41:13.840
<v Speaker 1>that no one followed up followed up on from the

0:41:13.960 --> 0:41:17.640
<v Speaker 1>wire services that people were attempting suicide or having heart

0:41:17.680 --> 0:41:18.399
<v Speaker 1>attacks or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>That just being.

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<v Speaker 1>Reported and relaid as fact led everybody to believe that

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<v Speaker 1>this was actually happening out there in the country, that

0:41:26.800 --> 0:41:29.000
<v Speaker 1>people were running. Well, maybe not my town, because I

0:41:29.040 --> 0:41:30.680
<v Speaker 1>stuck my head outside of the newsroom and I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>see anything. But I hear they're going crazy in Chicago

0:41:33.400 --> 0:41:35.120
<v Speaker 1>right now, or I hear they're really going nuts in

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<v Speaker 1>Milwaukee or whatever. And that's how it got reported, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's what everyone thought happened. People who lived through this

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<v Speaker 1>thought that this happened the next day. Orson Wells thought

0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:47.520
<v Speaker 1>his career was in jeopardy the next day because he

0:41:47.600 --> 0:41:52.160
<v Speaker 1>accidentally made America go berserk. And that's how that myth began,

0:41:52.320 --> 0:41:56.240
<v Speaker 1>and that's how it stood. And A Brad Schorts basically

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<v Speaker 1>traced it back to lazy, lazy reporting.

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<v Speaker 4>So myth busted thanks to A. Brad Schwartz and US.

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<v Speaker 3>And US for sure, I'm glad you included us.

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<v Speaker 4>So there's an interesting footnote here, though, because this actually

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<v Speaker 4>did kind of play out that way. Eight years later

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<v Speaker 4>and night. Was it eight years later? Yeah, nineteen forty

0:42:19.600 --> 0:42:24.759
<v Speaker 4>eight in Ecuador, So this is in Quito, Ecuador. These

0:42:24.960 --> 0:42:30.279
<v Speaker 4>broadcasters recreate the orson Wells radio play, and they did

0:42:30.360 --> 0:42:33.200
<v Speaker 4>a version that went a lot further than his did

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<v Speaker 4>and got other radio stations to join in and add

0:42:36.320 --> 0:42:38.960
<v Speaker 4>to the reporting, which really pretty brilliant move there to

0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:41.719
<v Speaker 4>increase like you turn the station and it's happening over

0:42:41.800 --> 0:42:45.640
<v Speaker 4>there too. And this really did scare people. They really

0:42:45.719 --> 0:42:49.920
<v Speaker 4>did take to the streets and panic. There was, you know,

0:42:50.000 --> 0:42:52.560
<v Speaker 4>public panic going on. And then the crowd finds out

0:42:52.960 --> 0:42:56.279
<v Speaker 4>that it's fiction and they get angry and actually turned

0:42:56.280 --> 0:42:59.920
<v Speaker 4>into an angry mob and burned down the local newspaper

0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:02.840
<v Speaker 4>building that had the radio station inside of it, killing

0:43:03.040 --> 0:43:03.640
<v Speaker 4>six people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, six people died, fifteen people were injured. Like they

0:43:07.640 --> 0:43:09.680
<v Speaker 1>knew that the staff was in that building, and they

0:43:09.719 --> 0:43:11.520
<v Speaker 1>set the building on fire to try and kill them.

0:43:11.920 --> 0:43:13.719
<v Speaker 1>A bunch of people escaped out the back, but a

0:43:13.760 --> 0:43:16.600
<v Speaker 1>lot of people didn't escape, and the two people who

0:43:16.680 --> 0:43:22.480
<v Speaker 1>were responsible for the broadcast, including Ecuador's most beloved and

0:43:22.600 --> 0:43:29.640
<v Speaker 1>trusted presenter, were indicted for it. Like they're more safer basically, yeah, exactly,

0:43:31.320 --> 0:43:33.680
<v Speaker 1>and they were. They were indicted for their role in this,

0:43:34.280 --> 0:43:36.799
<v Speaker 1>like people died because of it. And this actually does

0:43:36.880 --> 0:43:38.840
<v Speaker 1>seem to have happened in Ecuador.

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<v Speaker 4>Amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea that America fell into chaos and panic after

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<v Speaker 1>the war the world's broadcast in nineteen thirty eight is

0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:53.320
<v Speaker 1>largely myth. Go forth and spread the gospel everybody, unless

0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:55.720
<v Speaker 1>you're an Ecuador and then you're like, no, it's actually

0:43:55.800 --> 0:43:59.200
<v Speaker 1>happened here. And since I said that actually happened here,

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<v Speaker 1>I think Chuck is for this to mo mat.

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<v Speaker 4>So this is from Tom in the UK.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you see this email? I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 4>It's great. It's one long sentence and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 4>try and read it in how I think Tom speaks

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<v Speaker 4>as as Tom from the UK, because just the way

0:44:22.800 --> 0:44:24.879
<v Speaker 4>he wrote it, I think Tom probably talks a little

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<v Speaker 4>bit like this.

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<v Speaker 1>This isn't Tom from the UK, who was our tour

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<v Speaker 1>manager when we did our UK tour, is it now?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, shout out to that Tom.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah in the UK.

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<v Speaker 4>This is an engineer and this is what you have

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<v Speaker 4>to say, all right, Suck, Josh and Chuck Tom engineer

0:44:41.080 --> 0:44:44.239
<v Speaker 4>from the UK. Stoke on Trent, big fan of the show.

0:44:44.719 --> 0:44:47.239
<v Speaker 4>Been binging for about two years and got through all

0:44:47.320 --> 0:44:50.839
<v Speaker 4>of them. All of you lot, even Jerry, have got

0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:53.239
<v Speaker 4>me through a lot these last couple of years, and

0:44:53.360 --> 0:44:56.360
<v Speaker 4>I put a few people onto your podcast. Wanted to

0:44:56.440 --> 0:44:59.600
<v Speaker 4>email you lot for a while, and finally managed to

0:44:59.600 --> 0:45:02.520
<v Speaker 4>get right to emailing a load of things to people

0:45:02.920 --> 0:45:07.279
<v Speaker 4>about stuff that really doesn't matter. Emailed a TV show

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<v Speaker 4>about one of their actors, a particle physicist, about using

0:45:12.520 --> 0:45:15.320
<v Speaker 4>a light year of lead as a frame of reference.

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<v Speaker 4>The company Supernoodles for the excellent job they've done with

0:45:20.480 --> 0:45:23.800
<v Speaker 4>their supernoodle pot, but I'm not much for the peas.

0:45:24.640 --> 0:45:27.160
<v Speaker 4>And I just wanted to say, I know you like

0:45:27.239 --> 0:45:30.120
<v Speaker 4>the Japanese mayo, but you really need to try the

0:45:30.200 --> 0:45:33.320
<v Speaker 4>Polish mayo. Spot on all the best.

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<v Speaker 1>Tom boil Boy, Tom, that was great, And Chuck, that

0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:42.160
<v Speaker 1>was a fantastic stoke on trent accent, the most accurate

0:45:42.200 --> 0:45:42.719
<v Speaker 1>I've ever heard.

0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:46.959
<v Speaker 3>And the first Tom that was a great email. You're right, Chuck,

0:45:47.120 --> 0:45:48.399
<v Speaker 3>I love that email so much.

0:45:48.400 --> 0:45:49.200
<v Speaker 4>I had so much fun.

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<v Speaker 1>You were right to choose that one, So thanks Tom,

0:45:52.719 --> 0:45:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Thanks for writing in. Thank you for including us in

0:45:55.560 --> 0:45:59.400
<v Speaker 1>your list of people you harass via email, and keep listening.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, keep writing in. Maybe we'll make this a regular thing, Chuck.

0:46:03.040 --> 0:46:03.759
<v Speaker 4>I would love that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So Tom, write in again. And if you want

0:46:07.960 --> 0:46:09.800
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