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Speaker 1: Who's that knocking at the door. It's all your friends,

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Speaker 1: you filthy horse. Your husband's gone and we've got books

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Speaker 1: and a bottle of wine to kill. It's Hollywood, it's books,

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Speaker 1: it's gossip. I'm sure it's memoir. It's Martini.

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Speaker 2: Celebrity poop Club.

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Speaker 1: Read it while it's hot.

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Speaker 2: Celebrity poop Club.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell your secrets. We won't talk celebrity books. No,

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Speaker 1: boys are a loud celet book.

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Speaker 2: Say it loud and poud.

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Speaker 1: Celebrity pook club.

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Speaker 2: Buzz me in. I brought the queer vow?

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Speaker 1: Could you be anymore?

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Speaker 2: My best friend? Hey, Hello, Stephanie Phillips Horse.

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Speaker 1: Hello, dear listeners, we welcome you back into the sacred

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Speaker 1: red womb known as the iHeart Studio in Mintow, Manhattan.

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Speaker 2: Hello to my ladies. Has anyone out there on their

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Speaker 2: floor while we're sitting here in the red room.

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Speaker 1: Woooot them boardroom. I want everyone to know that the

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Speaker 1: energy at I Heart is electric right now, because there's

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Speaker 1: an influencer's summit happening tomorrow that we really were not

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Speaker 2: It's so weird and awkward. It's probably they were almost

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Speaker 2: probably nervous. I think to ask us, Oh, for sure,

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Speaker 2: so yeah, they're probably so busy. We walk into the

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Speaker 2: lobby and we see sixteens all carrying bags that say

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Speaker 1: It's a really cool makeup round that's nearby.

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Speaker 2: And then just kind of like some other teens wandering.

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Speaker 2: Then there's girls with badges. So I go up to

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Speaker 1: I'm because Truffet Explorer Soul.

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Speaker 2: And I say, so, what's the event happening today? And

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Speaker 2: they go, yeah, there's an event in the Duncan Lounge,

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Speaker 1: Up later, and they ended up loud. They were just

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Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna stop at Duncan Lounge.

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Speaker 2: And the way they said Duncan Lounge almost like you

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Speaker 2: you met Duncan Lounge?

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Speaker 1: And he's blowing up the Nashville charts Duncin Lounge.

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Speaker 2: So I kind of nod and I'm like, oh, like

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Speaker 2: hoping the reveal who's performing the dunk Lounge And then

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's really more about the lounge than it is

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Speaker 2: with you and your relationship with Dunkin Donuts? Are you

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Speaker 1: No, I've pivoted after leaving Duncan and then going to

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Speaker 2: It's also very like it girl two years ago.

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Speaker 1: It is it girl two years ago, and we'll be

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Speaker 2: My new thing, not that new, is cortatos, making my

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Speaker 2: Could this book be any more popular?

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Speaker 1: Could could this person be any more famous?

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Speaker 2: Could this author be any more sad?

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Speaker 1: No? Could this author really be any more mired? And

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Speaker 2: and we'll process that. Yeah, Stephen had some critiques. Of course,

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Speaker 1: You may know him from a little TV show called Friends.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety two, the star of my favorite show.

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Speaker 3: Friends, Lovers and the Big Terrible Thing Forward by Lisa

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Speaker 1: But we'll get to But on that reunion, it's revealed

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Speaker 2: Well, Chandler is gay.

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Speaker 1: Could I be podcasting anymore? I know, could I be

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Speaker 1: like oh sorry, like so the guns that wheels that,

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00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:39,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, They're always like making those

440
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 1: kind of thing. Yes, Like I think that actually maybe

441
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 1: does come from Chandler. No, I I do think can

442
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 1: to be trace a line.

443
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,920
Speaker 2: I do think he influenced a generation.

444
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it also may have been co influenced where

445
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,240
Speaker 1: it was bubbling up at the same time, it may

446
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 1: not necessarily have been purely Yes.

447
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 2: It was it was like from him, but then like

448
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:03,199
Speaker 2: I was thinking about out like Janine and just like

449
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 2: her total deadpan of talking. But like is she is

450
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 2: intonating in certain ways, and I just think there's this

451
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 2: whole kind of it's a circle of gen x. Yes,

452
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 2: absolutely Tavy Bing influenced. One thing about this book is,

453
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 2: and I do find Tranly very funny. This whole book

454
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 2: is about him saying how funny he is. There's not

455
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 2: one funny part in this book.

456
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 1: No, it's not a funny book. It's the deadly serious addiction.

457
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm hilarious, and because I'm so hilarious, well

458
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 2: you know that he needs to be fine.

459
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 1: Credibly lonely book. And it's lonely even in like the

460
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:44,159
Speaker 1: forward by Lisa kudro Hm, it's kind of like it

461
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,639
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like she knows him very well. Like she

462
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,479
Speaker 1: literally is just being like, oh, I didn't really like

463
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: understand that he had. It's only like one page long,

464
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,919
Speaker 1: and she's like, truly, I wasn't sure exactly how Matthew

465
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,439
Speaker 1: was doing. As I'll tell you in this book, he

466
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 1: was keeping in a secret of those years. The didn't

467
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 1: really try to intervene and confront him because the little

468
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: I knew about addiction was that his sobriety was out

469
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 1: of my hands, and like it's just it's a kind

470
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 1: of like very distant little forward. She doesn't share any

471
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: like real anecdotes that are super fun other than like

472
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 1: we had fun when we filmed the opening credits to Friends,

473
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,360
Speaker 1: and like the back of the book is a Marta

474
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: Kaufman quote just being like he's so brave for writing.

475
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 2: This, even though like Lisa and like Chandler, they were

476
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:29,479
Speaker 2: like the funny ones. But the person he talks about

477
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 2: most in this book, and again this is him maybe

478
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 2: wanting to be her, but thinking he's attracted to her

479
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 2: and is mad that he never got her. The most

480
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 2: person he interacts with in this book of the cast

481
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 2: of Friends is Anniston.

482
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, he has this huge crush on Anniston, and he

483
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 1: like asked her up before Friends started.

484
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 2: Like three years ago, and she says no. Then she

485
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 2: is the second one to confront him about his addiction. Yeah,

486
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 2: and I just feel like it is this horny in

487
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 2: cell thing where he's making sure he puts the anti

488
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 2: parts in the book the most, also because she's the

489
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 2: most famous, and he's like, then Aniston came into my room,

490
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 2: I was so nervous. She's looked at me and said

491
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 2: we can smell it on you. Yeah, and I was

492
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 2: so embarrassed. But it's also kind of like I feel

493
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 2: like she's cooking him and he's a little bit turned

494
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 2: off by it.

495
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: But then when he loses his v car to Carrie

496
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: Fisher's half sister, she.

497
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 2: I think she really does kind of is like look

498
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 2: slow down and gives him They have like sex for

499
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 2: two minutes.

500
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's like, oh, I can't get it up.

501
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: And then she's like, no, let's go back, and he's like,

502
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 1: she laid me down and then I was able to

503
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: get my like little rooster and gear or whatever. And

504
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: I do feel like she maybe she was doing light touch.

505
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 2: It felt very Annie Tickle play to me and felt

506
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 2: very polyamorye dating where I feel like it was like

507
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 2: she was just like and then like Carrie half sister,

508
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 2: half blown to slow hangehop.

509
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: We talked about Friends for a second just to get

510
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: an hour of like sad Land. So yeah, he gets

511
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 1: the part. He's the last person to be cast on

512
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: the show.

513
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 2: Also, everyone friends since it is such a successful show

514
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 2: and we all know it every story, it makes me

515
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,360
Speaker 2: believe that God exists in a way.

516
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this because there's everyone's personal story to

517
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: getting their part is like so miraculous and fate and

518
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: it had to happen and they were almost a mistake,

519
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 1: but then they got there.

520
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 2: They got the call.

521
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: So you do believe in God and ultimately you are

522
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: in aa.

523
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 2: AA And like matt I believe in God with Matthew,

524
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 2: and I think fate is real.

525
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 1: So he and God needed there to be an ensemble

526
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: comedy that went on for ten years.

527
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 2: The chem is true, was electric.

528
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: It was Matthew, we all know it.

529
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 2: So he's hanging out at Formosa.

530
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: With Hanka's area and Craig Bergo.

531
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 2: And Freshman and Craig Birco gets offered the role in Friends.

532
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: They're all auditioning, so it's the hottest script in town

533
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 1: and everyone is like everyone knows about it and everyone's

534
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 1: reading for it, and like he had auditioned for it.

535
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 1: But Craig Bergo ends up getting offered the part, and

536
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 1: then Craig Buergo is also offered the lead role in

537
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: another show that's called like best Friends, Best Friends.

538
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 2: And meanwhile Matthew, just like sitcom Era, he is attached

539
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 2: to a show called like Space Mersion two seven one zero.

540
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,479
Speaker 1: Lax twenty one ninety four, and it's about him being

541
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: a baggage handler and all the passengers at Lax are

542
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: aliens played by little people. So it's like, so.

543
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 2: Friends was canceled.

544
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: Friends was canceled sounds so iconically bad. So Craig Berger

545
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: gets offered the part. He tells Hank Area and Matthew

546
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 1: over one of their iconic boys launches, and Matthew is

547
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: like heartbroken, but he's like, you know what, Craig, you

548
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 1: should take Friends like us because it's the better show

549
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: and it's a really good role and you need to

550
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 1: do it.

551
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 2: Then they go to a payphone because it's the nineties.

552
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 1: Craig Berco his manager and Matthew Perry is standing right

553
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: there as he hears Craig Berko tells manager that he

554
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: actually wants best Friends.

555
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 2: Then Matthew Perry goes to Fred Siegel and uses the.

556
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: Phone and he where maybe my cousin, Monica, a friend

557
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: of the pub.

558
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 2: Was working literally get her on right now.

559
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: She was in the Dunham department.

560
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 2: And he calls his agent, who he's had, Doug or

561
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 2: whatever since he's had since ninety two, and he's like,

562
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 2: I need that role. Whatever happens, then of course it's

563
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 2: so big a money suit, like Hollywood players like being

564
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 2: married to each other. And it's like the casting person

565
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 2: from Friends was dating someone at Fox and they were like,

566
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 2: what's the deal with Matthew Perry? Is he still attached

567
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 2: to Marshons two five four? And they're like, oh, yeah,

568
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 2: but that show is so bad. It's about the coop bloompus.

569
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 1: And so they get him out of it, and they

570
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: get him on Friends, and the rest is her story.

571
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 1: And and then and then Birco doesn't talk to him.

572
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,719
Speaker 2: For two years and he shows up.

573
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: He's so but hurt, and I'm like, it's your fault, bitch.

574
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 2: I think Craig Birgo shows up at his house two

575
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 2: years later and like apologizes, yeah, which is so dramatic insane.

576
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 1: So wait, so this is when he first gets this

577
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: is like his description of all everybody in the cast.

578
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 2: Uh.

579
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: When they first started shooting Friends, Courtney Cox is wearing

580
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: a yellow dress and was cripplingly beautiful. I heard about

581
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: Lisa Kudrow from a mutual friend, and she was just

582
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: as gorgeous and hilarious and incredibly smart as my friend

583
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: had said Mattie LeBlanc was nice and a cool customer,

584
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: and David Swimmer had his haircut really short. He'd been

585
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: playing Ponti as pilot for a theater Chicago over his

586
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: hangdog face. It was incredibly funny right away, warm and

587
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: smart and creative. It's just like he kind of doesn't

588
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: do anything but praise everyone. The only time he ever

589
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: really talks shit about anybody's book is when a he

590
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: kind of says that Kean it's weird that Keanu Reeves

591
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: is alive and River Feeneurs.

592
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 2: Is dead, and then he says it again, and then

593
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 2: I just saw yesterday he's taking that out of the

594
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: book in the next copies. That's so random, Which is

595
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 2: so random because.

596
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: It's like not even that big of a deal what

597
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: he said.

598
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 2: He and he says it like twice, basically just saying

599
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: like Keanu Reeves isn't smart.

600
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: And it's like because he says, like creative minds like

601
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: me and Phoenix Man, like we flame out too soon,

602
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: and yet Keanu Reeves is walking.

603
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 2: Round, He's still walking this earth.

604
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: Which I think is weird because I feel like says

605
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: it such a reputation of being like a zen master

606
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: and such a brilliant act and.

607
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: That's why people flipped out of him because people love Keanu.

608
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 2: And and also Keanu was like, has never been such

609
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 2: a like womanizer. He's just kind of like dated this

610
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: like one sculptor.

611
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's super non toxic.

612
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: And then he says about Chris Farley.

613
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: He's also like ima genius.

614
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: And then he's like, Keanu is still walking this earth.

615
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, but the other thing he kind of texts

616
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: it is so first of all, when he shoots the

617
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: movie fools Russian. So then he starts to get like

618
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: really famous, and they're all getting movies, they're all getting deals.

619
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: Firstbody says fools Swushing is his best film, which is accurate,

620
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: which is Fools Russian.

621
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: If you are Russian to watching Fools Russian, that's an

622
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 2: amazing movie.

623
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: With him, it's a him and Salma Hyak. He talks

624
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: about her way of shooting. Oh yeah, Salma always had

625
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: a very elaborate and lengthy idea about how to do

626
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: a scene. But her long winded ideas weren't always helpful.

627
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: There's one scene in which I'm professing my love for her.

628
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: She suggested that we don't look at each other. Rather,

629
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: we should look out at our future together. After listening

630
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: to this nonsense for about twenty minutes, it finally said, listen, Salma,

631
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm telling you I love you. In this scene, you

632
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: look wherever you want, but I'm gonna be looking at you.

633
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: I was obsessed with that, and I was like, I

634
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 2: actually feel like that's so me. Thank you for being

635
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 2: fools Russian, because I feel like we should talk about

636
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 2: That's how that started his bill addiction.

637
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: Because he's so he's hot, because he's because he's drinking. First,

638
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: he's just like drinking again.

639
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's like an alcoholic.

640
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: Oh wait, and then he gets pancreatitis, which you only

641
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: get if you if you are an alcoholic, well, you

642
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: can't get it for other ways.

643
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 2: But he is sent to at age thirty.

644
00:30:59,400 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: It's unheard of.

645
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 2: He's doing fools Russian and they're like on a lake

646
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: and he's like, oh, man, I want a jet ski.

647
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: You know these big Hollywood players, they can do what

648
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 2: they want, and they're like, oh, we have to film

649
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: the birth scene. Fools Russian alert. It's a big scene spoiler,

650
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: not just a fool new phrase though, and spoilers Russian.

651
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 2: He does go on a jet ski on Lake.

652
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: Need which for those in the climate community, has really

653
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: receded over the past twenty years.

654
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 2: He goes flying in an instant. Everyone rushes the crew.

655
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: They save him, his back hurts. They film the scene.

656
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: Then he asks if he can like drive the Mustang

657
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 2: that he's given for you know, the movie, back to

658
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Speaker 2: his Vegas rental. The doctor. He's like, oh, my back

659
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 2: is calling me from my crazy jet ski like accident.

660
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 2: Doctor gives him a pill, said take this, and that

661
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 2: says the start said. Driving back from New Mexico to Vegas,

662
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 2: he was like, it felt like warm, honey. I never

663
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 2: felt more amazing.

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Speaker 1: Cut to like two years later, he's on at his

665
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: high point. He was on eighteen hundred milligrams of viko

666
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: in a day, eighteen hundred milligrams of viking a day

667
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: and for and like as he said, it's like when

668
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: they prescribe you hydrogodone, like after you've had surgery. It's

669
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: like a point five miligram pill. He's literally on four

670
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: thousand times as much viko in as you would take.

671
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: And then and then he'll be at They'll they'll give

672
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: him like a little drip of adavine and then ketamine therapy.

673
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: And this is at rehab, well at the.

674
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 2: Way he gets which is most of fucking America addicted

675
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 2: to stuff is being in rehab for another thing, and

676
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 2: then they give you another thing and it helps.

677
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: That, and then you get get off and on you're like.

678
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 2: Well now I'm mad of it, and now you're on

679
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 2: some proxy.

680
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: It never ends. He says this money he's like and

681
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: if you look at his weight, his disappearance over the

682
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: course of friends, it's like really obvious how he's like ballooney, thin, thin,

683
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: with coke and.

684
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: Pill alcohol, go tea, a lot of pills. And I've

685
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: always wanted to go tea, and I feel like no

686
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 2: one likes goate So when I read that, I was like, like,

687
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: I thought goatee's and like as a camera the coolest thing, Yeah,

688
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 2: you could do it, but go tea symbolizes something is

689
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: wrong in your.

690
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: Life, totally, No a go tea is kind of the

691
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: same way that when a gay guy over thirty dies

692
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: his hair blonde, he is in a personal crisis.

693
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Speaker 2: I feel like straightmen do a mustache just show their

694
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: long term partner they have independence and like can do

695
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: whatever they want and then.

696
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Speaker 1: Go tea is Mustache's the most mild form of like, yeah,

697
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: like I of declaration himself, like I'm still absolutely your

698
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: property and I will do whatever you see. But I

699
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: have just this what.

700
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 2: If I did and go Tea is like I'm getting divorced.

701
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: I'm buying the gold earring. Yeah, I'm drinking whiskey strippers.

702
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: I'm making some really poor real estate choices. Yes, like

703
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: I'm selling the condo at a loss.

704
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 2: One little fun moment I want to talk about, just

705
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 2: to kind of talk about his loss of women he

706
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 2: could have dated, but also this is nineties and hilarious

707
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 2: and just a little break from the vicin. He dated

708
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: Julia Roberts for a few months and they dated via fax.

709
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 1: Which who also did carking back to CBC episode Numero Uno, Oh.

710
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 2: Try I Guessie and Barbara streisand yes, sexiest form of flirtation.

711
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 2: So Julia Roberts was going to be on the episode,

712
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 2: the one after the Super Bowl. In the end, all

713
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: of our efforts work. Not only did Julia agree to

714
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 2: do the show, but she also send me a gift bagels,

715
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 2: lots and lots of bagels. Sure, why not? It was

716
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 2: Julia fucking Robertson thus began a three month on courtship

717
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 2: by daily faxes. This was pre internet, pre cell phone.

718
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 2: All our exchanges were done by facts, and there were

719
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 2: many hundreds. At first it was the edges of romance.

720
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 2: I sent her poems after the name the Triple Crown

721
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: line in Los Angeles Kings, that kind of thing, just

722
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 2: daily facts to Julia Roberts. Yeah, and then she's into

723
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 2: him and he can't take it. He breaks up with.

724
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: Me, breaks up with her. Can you imagine.

725
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 2: Breaking up Julia Roberts And I think.

726
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: He's almost a bit addicted to even that story, that

727
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: he's like, Yeah, I'm the guy who blew it all.

728
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: I'm the guy who had the world handed him on

729
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: a silver platter and fucked it up. There is a

730
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:40,919
Speaker 1: real martyr complex there that he cannot escape. That he

731
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 1: loves sorry for himself.

732
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: No, every relationship he talks about what I would do

733
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 2: to trade it, to not have the money, to not

734
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 2: have a house with a gorgeous palatial ocean view of

735
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 2: the Pacific Ocean.

736
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: Right, But ultimately he at the same time, he's always

737
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: admitting that he's like I thought fame could fill these holes.

738
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: I know it can't, but that doesn't make me want

739
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: it any less. And like I know that everyone like Craig,

740
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: even who is like not as close as anymore. It's

741
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: like Craig still wishes he could he could have been

742
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: Chandler and could be as famous, even though that wouldn't

743
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: make him happy either, and even though he has the

744
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: house and the kid and the dog and no addiction.

745
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: He said something that give me shivers. He was like

746
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 2: everyone wants thinks fame will fix everything till you're famous,

747
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 2: and Clelie didn't fix him.

748
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: But then there's these examples of people where it's like

749
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: Anniston clearly, like you know, she's the success story of

750
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: the show by far, and she's parlated into just a long,

751
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: steady career with all sorts of roles. Sure, the thing

752
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: with Brad Bud didn't work out or with Justin Throw,

753
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: and maybe she is sad in that.

754
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 2: Way and she didn't have kids, but also, why are

755
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 2: we making Anniston want?

756
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 1: Can thank you? A woman has more value than her

757
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: fucking year to ask.

758
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: This book actually made me think of kind of David

759
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 2: Schwe the most, because to me, he's a little more

760
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,479
Speaker 2: like what like Courtney had, her career has her.

761
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: Career when now she's so like I'm on TikTok now

762
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 1: and I'm.

763
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 2: Like, of course like cackling away all over like tiktoks

764
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 2: of her like chasing her lesbian in the park, Lisa

765
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 2: Kudrou come Back Iconic. Matt Leball had episodes which like

766
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 2: was a critical hit but like is probably.

767
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: Kind of like thee no one watched. But it was

768
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: on for six years and.

769
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 2: I was always like trying David Schimmer, just like.

770
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: I like the Bar and Grill in Chicago, could.

771
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: Rocket Bar and Grill that I got like sliders at

772
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 2: once to be like, Okay, I'm at David Schwimmers. Maybe

773
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 2: he just like theater at the Steppenwoof or something like that.

774
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's been in a roller to at the step.

775
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 2: But I think he doesn't really care. He's not really

776
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: trying to know the vibe.

777
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: Do He's happy? It was a great, big, not terrible thing,

778
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: which was being on Friends for a decade.

779
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 2: And then being the richest man in the world.

780
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: I want to talk about addiction versus party because he

781
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: talks about Bruce Willis as being another example of like

782
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,240
Speaker 1: the guy who's really famous and also has it all.

783
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: But of course you know now Bruce Willis is ringing the.

784
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 2: Price exactly, so he doesn't have it all.

785
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: Bruce is someone who can party. And when they're shooting

786
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: The Whole nine Yards in Montre.

787
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 2: Hall, amazing, by the way.

788
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: Grace friends out the entire top floor of a hotel

789
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: and calls it club Z for some reason.

790
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 2: Also they're at the hotel Intercontinental.

791
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: But this thing about he's like, Bruce Willis could turn

792
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: it on and then turn it off. We could party

793
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: all night. Then everyone was at was at their trailer

794
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: at six am, ready to shoot the Whole nine Yards, and.

795
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: He was like, and when he would get the script

796
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 2: for the sixth Sense, he'd be sober. He'd do the

797
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 2: movie and it's like I could.

798
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: I could never do that. And he would show up

799
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: to friends and be sober, but he couldn't actually, like

800
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 1: he would be sober while they were shooting, like those

801
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: like three hours they were shooting the show, but then

802
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: I'd be immediately back to drugs and alcohol. And he

803
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: was always like hungover showing up to said and all that.

804
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 2: No, I mean the here we Go spoiler alert, the

805
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 2: scene where he marries Monica. Yeah, they had to like

806
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 2: drive him from promises, drop him off, pick him back.

807
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: Up, crazy to promise.

808
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 2: I was able to turn it on for this show,

809
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 2: which is insane, and it's like, which are impressed by? Yeah?

810
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: Well, and you know I thought about this, you know,

811
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: to get raw, to get personal again about this, you know,

812
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: I think I was. I think you're like this too.

813
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: But I'm a partier and I can turn it off.

814
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: And I think, like, you know, when I struggled with

815
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: alcoholism a year ago that I will speak openly about

816
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: on my on the at the Red Table, when I

817
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: went through a really traumatic breakup, I started drinking a

818
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: lot and I was just kind of like drinking every

819
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: day and I was being smithy beer because I remember

820
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: when we recorded the Ulysses Ask Grant episode, which was

821
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: very of the marriage, I was. I remember sobbing all

822
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: night in the phone because I'd just seen like new

823
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: photos of him and the guy.

824
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 2: And I was on the phone with you and I

825
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: was like, it's just rivers, you can do it.

826
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: And meanwhile, friend of the pod Sam was also on

827
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: the phone with me, going girl, fuck Ulysses ask Grant,

828
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: Like you mean to record your podcast? No one cares.

829
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: You're going through a personal crisis and I'm just like

830
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: two fingers deep in the whiskey. Ultimately, we recorded that

831
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: episode and it was really fun and I Chandler Bang.

832
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: But then when I saw the doctor a month later

833
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: for a normal checkup, she was like, oh, your liver

834
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: numbers are really high. You need stop drinking. And I

835
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: just stopped right there. And then it was and I

836
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: was able to. You know, it wasn't like, oh my god,

837
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: I don't know how I'm going to go without my wine,

838
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: without my natural wine for a day. I was like, oh,

839
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: this is fine, and I'm blessed to not have the

840
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 1: disease that is addiction.

841
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 2: No when you were able to and then your father

842
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 2: famously said, after your levels went down.

843
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: After my levels, yeah became normal. My dad was like, Stephen,

844
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: you have to cap it at three martinis a night.

845
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 2: Okay, and that's what a man is allowed.

846
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: And so I have three martinis every single night, as

847
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: per my father's orders.

848
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:48,959
Speaker 2: I will say, I do feel like I'm a party

849
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 2: of reading this book. I did feel scared.

850
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: About the addiction addicted. Yeah, what could you not say

851
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: no to? Your no mechanism isn't as.

852
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 2: Developed, yeah, I think, But you're always.

853
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: Being like, I'm gonna go home.

854
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 2: I guess that's what lesbian saying.

855
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: No, Like you you know, you're you're always like I'm good.

856
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: I've seen you say I'm good many times.

857
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 2: I guess I just want to talk about the cost

858
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 2: me bag. And that's I guess what really scared me.

859
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: It was like not that I'm I also I hate pills,

860
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 2: but it was just it's just so.

861
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 1: Depressing, and it seems like that was maybe the thing

862
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: that really pushed him to like kind of stop. But

863
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: I think what's also what I will say, what I

864
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: really like about this book is that it's extremely recent.

865
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 1: It was written like two months ago, and he's still

866
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: like not even sober. Early at the end of the

867
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: book he's like, well, I'm still on suboxone and I'm

868
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: still smoking cigarettes even though they told me like I'm

869
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: gonna die of cigarettes, and like it's really bad for

870
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: my like, and.

871
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 2: His lesbian roommate is taking away. We haven't even gotten

872
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 2: into erin. Yeah, just Sidbar his like sober companion, best

873
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 2: friend assistant who he met in reab is this lesbian

874
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: name Aaron, and he's it's perfect because I can a

875
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 2: female companionship and we can talk about chicks together, like

876
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 2: I need to see it. I feel like she's foots

877
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 2: to me, I am getting think she's a hard fem.

878
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: When you say foots, you're just mean that her hair

879
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: is like short but longer on one side.

880
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 2: And like she wears a little bit of makeup.

881
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think that's true. No, I don't

882
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: think she's hard fum.

883
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 2: But to your point, it is very nice not to

884
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 2: have this like Rubbert Downey Junior or rub Low thing,

885
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: just being like, and I found God and I'm surfing

886
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 2: and everything.

887
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: It's amazing. I know, I'm so happy. He's kind of

888
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: just like, no, he's not there and I and he

889
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: still doesn't have like a wonderful relationship with him, we

890
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 1: or any of the things that he wanted. And he's like, yeah,

891
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: I still have all this friends, money, and I always will.

892
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: But that's every day's.

893
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 2: A fucking struggle, good journey.

894
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 1: The one other thing I just wanted to point out

895
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 1: that I really liked was on There's this moment where

896
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: the producer of Friends Like takes the whole cast to

897
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 1: Vegas at the shot season one, but it's not out yet,

898
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: and he's like gives them meat on AE hundred dollars.

899
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: He's like, go have fun, go gamble, go be out

900
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: in Vegas and the casinos, because this is the last

901
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 1: time you'll ever be able to do this and be anonymous.

902
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: It's funny. Actually, the produces of iHeart they did the

903
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 2: same thing to us. They took us to Atlantic City

904
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 2: and they said, here's twenty dollars to play the slots.

905
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 2: You'll never be able to do this. You're a paparazzi.

906
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: We immediately lost it playing a crazy rich Asian slot machine.

907
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: Seven seconds later.

908
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 2: You'll never be able to go to Nobu again. You'll

909
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 2: have to get the private room, but you'll probably blow

910
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 2: all your money.

911
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 1: And then we were like, all right, gang, I guess

912
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: it's back to New York. And they were like, you.

913
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 4: Guys have to take the bus celet club. Could there

914
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 4: be any more segments?

915
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 2: How does she live?

916
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 1: How does she wear?

917
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 2: What does she.

918
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 1: Okay? What is he eat?

919
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 2: I feel like he's ignauseous from all the pills.

920
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of time he's not in anything.

921
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: And then like Aaron's been like have this banana smoothie.

922
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: Also he talks about like all of his like la

923
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 2: meetings that spall go and he's like, we had dinner

924
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 2: in quotes.

925
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's like everyone's been so la and pushing

926
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: their food.

927
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: Around and I think just like everyone is getting a

928
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 2: pasta primavera and no one's eating it.

929
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: He's not a foodie. When your mom is low key

930
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: fucking Pierre Trudeau, like, you're not a foodie. You're being like,

931
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: it's there's pasto or durvs, there's old shrimp, like at

932
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 1: an Autowa function.

933
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 2: Especially if you then moved out your LA and your

934
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,479
Speaker 2: dad is the old spice man. It's very like heat

935
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: up a hungry man. That's the last pizza for one.

936
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: I love that. Also the reveal that the dad doesn't

937
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: wear old spice. Oh never, shit, where eat? What does

938
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: he wear on the show? We know what he wears well.

939
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 2: He says though his favorite type of outfit is T

940
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 2: shirt over long sleeve, which is very nineties. I mean

941
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 2: now he's in later, but yet now he wears just

942
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 2: also kind of like it's less like totally nineties, and

943
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 2: he's wearing kind of like just sad workout.

944
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: Clothes, absolutely sad, clinging to like the sides of his

945
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: man boobs. But then there's always like a scoop neck

946
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: that's good kind of they're getting like it's like it's

947
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: or it's a new scoop neck, but it's still clinging

948
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: in a weird way. And then like I think nothing

949
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: fits because he's like always yo yelling, and so it's

950
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: just like he's never really like in us. I feel

951
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: like his physicality is changing a lot. I mean, I

952
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: think what's something that's interesting with the book is like

953
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: how uncomfortable he feels like in his own body with

954
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: his stomach stuff, and then the stomach stuff and then

955
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: like the weight changing all the time, and like sometimes

956
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: he's working out and he has these big arms when

957
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: he does, like Cameron Diaz accidentally punches him in the face,

958
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: like and then he's trying to he gets his arms

959
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: like tan to go on this date with her. Like

960
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: he just never really feels at home in his body.

961
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 2: But you could always tell. And he's had about like

962
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 2: eighteen surgeries on his.

963
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: Stomach, which also maybe speaks to the gay thing, this

964
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 1: disconnect with the body from the body and from the

965
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: physical pleasures and from the physical reality.

966
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 2: He's also very housewise, like in this whole book, he's

967
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 2: like renovating his house and living in this like penthouse,

968
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 2: which is also like Celebrity, I'm searching for something.

969
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: I just feel like he's always selling and then like

970
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: buying a new houses and there. But I just think

971
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: they're so selling Sunset, they're the most just like Celebrity

972
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: put this house on the market for six point seven

973
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: million and then bought this house for five point two

974
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: and it's just so and furniture and like one like

975
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: wooden piece of wood on the wall.

976
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 2: And a fire one of those like outdoor.

977
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: Many fires, outdoor fires with a.

978
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 2: Button, and then like a big modern couch. But that's

979
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 2: like soulless.

980
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very very soulless.

981
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 2: Who are you in the book? Not to pry?

982
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I really, honestly, I hate to admit this,

983
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: but I do think that I'm Craig Birko, and I

984
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: think that I would be like, I'm gonna take this

985
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: the one where I'm the star. I'm not gonna do

986
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: like we get offered some big sitcom together. Oh and

987
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: I was.

988
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 2: Thinking about us at and we're sitting at.

989
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 1: Those right and then like I and we're like always

990
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 1: talking shit. But then it's like I get offered this

991
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: thing where I can be the main star. I'm like, no,

992
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: that's what I need to do, and that completely fails,

993
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: and then you go on to make a million dollars

994
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 1: an episode and we don't speak for two years.

995
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, you're his mom, your Trudeau's breasent.

996
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 1: Wait, of course I'm.

997
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 2: And You're like, I'll be right home, come with me,

998
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, I do feel like even though

999
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 2: everyone you know, I'm kind of obviously the Joey how

1000
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 2: you doing? But I've also also felt like I was

1001
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 2: the Chandler who are you in front? Oh my god,

1002
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:03,479
Speaker 2: already your friend's BuzzFeed. I would say you are more

1003
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 2: Chandler Anna.

1004
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 1: Ston Channistinhastin because I always just thought I was a

1005
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: Rachel m I.

1006
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 2: Feel like, you want to be a Rachel, but are

1007
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 2: you at the end of it.

1008
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: I do kind of feel like I'm Rachel because I'm

1009
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: just like, she's not actually like good at anything, and

1010
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 1: she's kind of a master of nut in this way,

1011
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: which identify with where it's like Monica really is like

1012
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 1: so intense about her cookie, and David is you know,

1013
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: and Ross is such a nerd and like like Chandler

1014
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: and Rachel are the ones you kind of like their

1015
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: careers are the most just like what exactly, Well, the whole.

1016
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 2: Joke about Chandler is that no, the weakness, and.

1017
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: Like Joey is more just like up front about his

1018
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: passions and you are very in touch with your passions.

1019
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 2: And like subs and that's the whole thing, right, I

1020
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 2: wouldn't say I feel like you're actually less of a

1021
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 2: master of nuts. You're almost maybe more of a ross

1022
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 2: because you actually like are like always dating someone but

1023
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 2: also being like, look like at the constellations, and you

1024
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 2: are taking Rachel to the planetarium.

1025
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: Right, and I do love the planetarium.

1026
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 2: I guess is your boyfriend more now the wrong?

1027
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: My boyfriend's thess. I will say this, I feel like

1028
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 1: to the outside world, you and I are basically Phoebe's

1029
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,439
Speaker 1: because she's the only like alt one on the show.

1030
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 2: We're hippies.

1031
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: We're told we're hippies and we're crazy and we like

1032
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 1: we've like been to concerts before, which is like I

1033
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: like all that, and like all the other characters are

1034
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: so not that and they're just.

1035
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 2: Like so we could also be Chandler and Joey and

1036
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 2: we are so asshole one, asshole two and you have

1037
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:36,919
Speaker 2: an office job, and like.

1038
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 1: Oh we are Chandler and Joey. Okay, fine, I'm Chandler,

1039
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: all right, I give this book at the end of

1040
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: the day, I do give this book a two point

1041
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:51,919
Speaker 1: six coss me Bags out of five. I appreciated the honesty,

1042
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: the fair amount of tea of other like celebrity moments

1043
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: like when he's making out with Valley Burton Elly while

1044
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: Edie van Halen's asleep on the couch, Like, yeah, they're

1045
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: just fun moments. And I also like the honesty that

1046
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: he's like that he doesn't doesn't wrap up the narrative

1047
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: so tidally at the end.

1048
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 2: No, I'm going to give it a two point nine

1049
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 2: Renovated homes out of renovated homes while you're in rehab,

1050
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 2: I think because of the honesty and like the friends Baxter's,

1051
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 2: but there was something missing that I wasn't like, hmm,

1052
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 2: I love this but in it, but.

1053
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,439
Speaker 1: I think that also might be just reflective of him.

1054
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: And that's maybe why this book is quite a good artifact,

1055
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: because it.

1056
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 2: Also is really depressing in a feel like an educational way.

1057
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it definitely makes me feel less anxious about becoming

1058
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: successful in the entertainment.

1059
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 2: Industry, about fame, about your wants.

1060
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: About fame and desire, and realizing that that's never gonna

1061
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: fill the hole that only a dick can fill.

1062
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 2: That's what we're learning here. So go out and find

1063
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 2: fame or blink anyway.

1064
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: Be careful about pills.

1065
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and don't get a coss me bag, know your

1066
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 2: limits and auditions fast. The one where we recorded at

1067
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 2: the iHeart Studios. Could Darby Masters be more of the

1068
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 2: producer editor. Could Abuza Fart do a better job being

1069
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 2: the supervising producer editor. Could Christina Everett be more of

1070
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 2: a fabulous executive producer? Could Bahied Fraser be more of

1071
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 2: an amazing engineer? Could we have created this with prolog

1072
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 2: pro jocks originally? I don't think so. Stephen Phillips Morris

1073
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 2: made the theme song inspired by Hoodie and the Blowfish.

1074
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 2: Teddy Blanks did some amazing cover art.