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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe Podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hello again and welcome to the latest edition of the

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Speaker 1: Book of Joe Podcast with Tom Berducci and Joe Madden

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Speaker 1: and Joe April is in the books. That's one sixth

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Speaker 1: of the Major League season over and done with, and

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Speaker 1: I'm interested in your take on this. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: go back to the days of Sparky Anderson and spark

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Speaker 1: you used to tell people and I remember him saying this,

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Speaker 1: you really don't know what you have as a team

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Speaker 1: until about two months of the season, fifty or sixty games,

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Speaker 1: and he said, then you can tell the pretenders from

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Speaker 1: the contenders.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: I think we almost have to update that a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Everything in the world is faster, and now we have

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Speaker 1: six playoffs spots in both leagues, so maybe the separation

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Speaker 1: is a little bit different. But give me your perspective

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Speaker 1: because as a fan and we love first impressions, we'd

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Speaker 1: love to react quickly. This is all we have so far,

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Speaker 1: small sample size, whatever it is, we're going to make determinations.

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Speaker 3: Give me your take.

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Speaker 1: As a manager, Now you've seen your team play, you know,

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Speaker 1: for a month or so, do you start making judgments

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Speaker 1: about what you have.

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Speaker 4: Well, this even goes back to my minor league days,

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Speaker 4: believe it or not. For me, the first couple of weeks,

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Speaker 4: adrenaline plays, and then after that players play. So it's

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Speaker 4: hard to really get an evaluation early on because just

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Speaker 4: for that reason, some guys that had like mediocre years

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Speaker 4: guys that had great years year before look mediocre. And

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Speaker 4: you just cannot listen to that at all. Unless somebody's hurt,

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Speaker 4: unless somebody's gotten old, you can't pay attention. I can't

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Speaker 4: pay attention to that. So it really comes down to that.

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Speaker 4: For me, it's an adrenaline time. I think right now

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Speaker 4: the adrenaline is wearing off, coming into the next month.

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Speaker 4: But I always thought that players play after the first

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Speaker 4: couple of weeks. Adrenaline plays the first couple weeks, and

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Speaker 4: then the other point would be I did not really

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Speaker 4: understand my bullpen after the first month of the season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, think you know what you got.

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Speaker 4: Somebody's gonna not play as well as you thought, pitch

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Speaker 4: as well as you thought, and others are going to surface.

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Speaker 4: For example, the year with the Rays I had jo

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Speaker 4: Quen Ben Moa and Fernando Rodney just coming. You know,

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Speaker 4: anybody could have had those two guys in the off season.

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Speaker 2: All of a sudden they.

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Speaker 4: Come to camp and actually Benny didn't make the team

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Speaker 4: out of camp and then comes up from the monies

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Speaker 4: and turns into this beast for the next couple of years.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's your Fernando set They the e

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Speaker 4: RA a record for relief pitchers. So I've always felt

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Speaker 4: that you don't know your bullpen at least for the

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Speaker 4: first month, and players play and adrenaline goes away. So

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Speaker 4: that's how I look at the first month of the season.

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Speaker 4: You're right, you can't get overwhelmed by first impressions.

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Speaker 2: You cannot. If you do, you're gonna make a lot

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Speaker 2: of mistakes.

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Speaker 3: Did I hear you right?

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Speaker 1: Did you just give us the French pronunciation of Fernando Rodney.

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Speaker 2: Rodney Fernando Roudney.

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Speaker 3: I love Frank, sound like that ben Wah and Rodney.

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Speaker 3: I thought that was a combo that you had there.

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Speaker 3: He's still pitching, by the way, I.

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Speaker 4: Think because of Jaki Benoa. I think it just worphed

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Speaker 3: Sorry, yeah, I like that. That's not good. Yeah, but

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Speaker 3: you know what, Let's let's go with first impressions.

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, we all can be level headed here

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Speaker 1: and say, let's wait to make determinations until they play

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Speaker 1: I don't know, one hundred games. We don't want to

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Speaker 1: do that. So it's been kind of an upside down year.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about first impressions of teams

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Speaker 1: that we've seen this so far this season. So the

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Speaker 1: world's a little bit upside down. We've got three of

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Speaker 1: the four lowest payrolls in baseball with the best record

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Speaker 1: in baseball. The month of April raised Orioles pirates. Nobody

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Speaker 3: I want to start with the New York Yankees.

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Speaker 1: Joe and obviously injuries have been a huge part of

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Speaker 1: their slow start. I mean, they're great when Garrett Cole

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Speaker 1: start with Aaron Judge. I'm not sure if you saw

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Speaker 3: Aaron Judge tried.

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Speaker 3: He weighs two hundred and eighty pounds.

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Speaker 1: It was not a pretty slide, kind of get his

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Speaker 1: he came out with some pain in his hip. You

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Speaker 1: saw your guy with the Angels, Mike Trout. He essentially

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Speaker 3: Would you advise a guy like Aaron.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, tough one, right.

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Speaker 4: You know, for years there was so many great players

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Speaker 4: was Will the and the family kind of Lou Brock,

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Speaker 4: I mean lou Brock, I mean, of course that was

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Speaker 4: just gets to the point where now I think everything

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Speaker 2: And of course the Judges out of that lineup.

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Speaker 4: There completely completely different team, not even anywhere near similar

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Speaker 4: them to overcome his absence. I do agree with the

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Speaker 4: sliding component, where yeah, you know the four point slide,

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Speaker 4: slide with your feet first, really avoid any kind of

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Speaker 4: nurture that mentally in time in advance. But you're right

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Speaker 4: about Mikey Trott. I mean, Michael doesn't really want to

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Speaker 2: It's really going to be better off for him.

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Speaker 4: I think there's still times he might go if it's

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Speaker 4: you're right. But yeah, I have a hard time asking

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Speaker 4: baseball players not to play baseball. However, like you're saying

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Speaker 4: a hundred percent, really attempt to slide feed first here

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Speaker 4: and really avoid the head first stuff. There's so many

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Speaker 4: appendages things that can go wrong in that regard. But

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Speaker 4: it's hard for me to tell Aaron Juts not to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, and I think Aaron Boone's in that

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Speaker 3: But you don't want to put governors on your players, correct.

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Speaker 1: I'm okay with head first slides, Joe when they're done properly,

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Speaker 1: And that's the problem for me. A lot of guys

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Speaker 4: One said I had a great base stealer with Carl Crawford,

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Speaker 4: and Carl would intimidate, yes, by sliding feet first. He

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 4: If I'm in the middle and Carl's at first and

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Speaker 4: he's stealing second base, I promise you I'm not hanging

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Speaker 4: in there. It's a big man, ran, really really well

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Speaker 4: if you roll back to tape, and I hate to

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Speaker 4: keep making the same reference, but Lou Brock to me,

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Speaker 4: was primarily a feet first slider. I don't even remember

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Speaker 4: if Mary Wills was or not. I mean, back then

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Speaker 4: these are considerations. You could talk about it all. But

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Speaker 4: Carl Crawford would intimidate middle infielders. But with his feet first.

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Speaker 3: Slides, that's a great call.

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Speaker 1: You didn't see middle infielders put that knee down to

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Speaker 1: block the base when Carl's coming in spikes first. Hey,

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Speaker 1: Nike's you worried about them or you're just writing this

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Speaker 4: I mean, I like I said, if Judge stays absent, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: The other guys.

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Speaker 4: I mean, listen, when they're healthy and well, they're they're outstanding.

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Speaker 4: it looks like, I don't know how well he's ceiling

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Speaker 4: They have been they have been gutted a little bit

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Speaker 4: everybody's always always yelling for a change. It's not about

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Speaker 4: on the field. I mean, they don't have their team

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Speaker 4: on the field. They're playing. They're almost playing the almost

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Speaker 3: By jumping to conclusions. Is so much fun. So let

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Speaker 3: me jump for it.

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Speaker 1: Let me jump a little bit, because I'm gonna give

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Speaker 4: pancake Francisco Cervellia at stein Brenner Field during spring training.

438
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Speaker 2: But you have to create, you have to create an identity.

439
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Speaker 4: We were creating an identity and during that season also

440
00:20:21,998 --> 00:20:26,958
Speaker 4: big fight in Boston when Shieldsy hit Coco Crisp after

441
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Speaker 4: I the night before walked out to the mound, I

442
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Speaker 4: mean only in their dugout because Crisp I was upset

443
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Speaker 4: that j Jason Bartlett put a knee down on him

444
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Speaker 4: on a steal and that led to him attempting to

445
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Speaker 4: spike Aki Wamora. So all this stuff matters, man. So

446
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Speaker 4: when you're building a culture like this in an identity,

447
00:20:47,438 --> 00:20:49,598
Speaker 4: never run away, don't run away from a conflict.

448
00:20:49,638 --> 00:20:51,478
Speaker 2: Then nothing's going to be given. You got to take it.

449
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Speaker 2: You got to take it from these people.

450
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Speaker 4: Same thing with the Cubs in Saint Louis. You talk

451
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Speaker 4: about the Rays, with the Yankees and the Red Sox

452
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Speaker 4: back then. So right now, the pirates have.

453
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Speaker 2: To take it. They got to take it. They got

454
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Speaker 2: to take it.

455
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Speaker 4: They got to make it every day and uh, they

456
00:21:06,398 --> 00:21:09,118
Speaker 4: got to play their game independent of what anybody else

457
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Speaker 4: thinks or says. And hopefully they're going to say they're

458
00:21:11,638 --> 00:21:14,678
Speaker 4: too aggressive, they're playing too hard, or you know whatever

459
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Speaker 4: they're they're I don't want to say dirty, ever, it's

460
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Speaker 4: not dirty, it's aggressive and and hopefully people start complaining

461
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Speaker 4: about that. And when you when you prepare against them.

462
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Speaker 4: It's a it's a paint and a butt. Teams that

463
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Speaker 4: have to pare prepare against the pirates right now painted

464
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Speaker 4: a butt man. Too many things going on, a lot

465
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Speaker 4: of things to think about. So it's an identity that

466
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Speaker 4: you create. You bring it every day, brother, every day.

467
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Speaker 4: And that's where you're these veterans you're talking about the

468
00:21:40,798 --> 00:21:46,638
Speaker 4: Cutch and Hill and Sentana, they got to bring that

469
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Speaker 4: every day. Those three guys, those three guys when they like,

470
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Speaker 4: just like the manager has to show up in the

471
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Speaker 4: coaching staff, you have to show up the same cat

472
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Speaker 4: every day, especially after a bad day or after maybe

473
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Speaker 4: two or three losses, you got to show up the

474
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Speaker 4: same way. Last point, you know, at that Race team

475
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Speaker 4: in two thousand and eight, we had two seven game

476
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Speaker 4: losing streaks that year, and one was right before the

477
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Speaker 4: All Star break. So you lose seven before the All

478
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Speaker 4: Star break and then have like a four day All

479
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Speaker 4: Star break. That's like eleven game losing streak before you

480
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Speaker 4: get to play again. And then we went a close

481
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Speaker 4: one against Toronto in Tampa Bay. So I can't emphasise

482
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Speaker 4: that enough. Man, you got to bring it every day

483
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Speaker 4: and there has to be a consistency among the veteran

484
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Speaker 4: leadership and of course the manager and.

485
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Speaker 2: His coaching staff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty impressive that that team which had not

487
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Speaker 1: established a pedigree yet, and let's face it, probably a

488
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Speaker 1: lot of people waiting to see the wheels when are

489
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Speaker 1: they coming off? That you not only survived those losing streaks,

490
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Speaker 1: you came back from that even better.

491
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Speaker 3: Pretty impressive.

492
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Speaker 2: Just one thing quit quickly that whole year. Aley went nuts.

493
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Speaker 4: One time I went off the rails into Kansas City,

494
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Speaker 4: and that was after a win.

495
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Speaker 2: We'd send a book of.

496
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Speaker 4: Joe because we started all of a sudden to get

497
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Speaker 4: a little bit complacent with ourselves, and that would be

498
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Speaker 4: the one thing that Chelsea would have to be aware of.

499
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Speaker 4: And so and the same with Higher, although Hyder came

500
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Speaker 4: close last year. It's like when guys start getting full

501
00:23:07,438 --> 00:23:08,878
Speaker 4: of themselves and all of a sudden, they think they

502
00:23:08,918 --> 00:23:10,478
Speaker 4: got a licked or wrapped, even though you haven't done

503
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Speaker 4: a thing like you talked about.

504
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Speaker 2: They've not won anything, they have not done a thing.

505
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Speaker 4: So that was always I was always guarded for watching

506
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Speaker 4: that I did if that were to happen, and I

507
00:23:20,238 --> 00:23:22,438
Speaker 4: saw it happen in Kansas City one night we won

508
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Speaker 4: the game, which to me was the perfect time to

509
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Speaker 4: go off. You go off in a visitor's clubhouse after

510
00:23:28,398 --> 00:23:30,718
Speaker 4: a win on the road, of course, if you're in

511
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Speaker 4: a visitor's clubhouse. Because I never wanted to soil the

512
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Speaker 4: home clubhouse where guys walked in on a daily basis

513
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Speaker 4: and you heard all kinds of crap going on or

514
00:23:40,718 --> 00:23:43,318
Speaker 4: your manager getting upset. I never wanted to soil the

515
00:23:43,358 --> 00:23:47,678
Speaker 4: home clubhouse. So you soil the visitors clubhouse. And that

516
00:23:47,838 --> 00:23:50,038
Speaker 4: was a big moment in that year, in two thousand

517
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Speaker 4: and eight. So I'm betting at some point Sheldy's gonna

518
00:23:52,758 --> 00:23:54,158
Speaker 4: have to like, come and glute a little bit.

519
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Speaker 2: Hider might have to come and glute a.

520
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Speaker 4: Little bit, because it's some it's just a human quality

521
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Speaker 4: that these players are going to start thinking more of themselves,

522
00:24:01,318 --> 00:24:03,598
Speaker 4: which is good, but not to the point where you

523
00:24:03,638 --> 00:24:07,318
Speaker 4: become slightly complacent or expected just to happen without maintaining

524
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Speaker 4: that same method that you've developed.

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Speaker 1: Well, Joe, your team's almost consistently played better as the

526
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Speaker 1: year went on, finish strong for these teams that let's

527
00:24:18,158 --> 00:24:21,398
Speaker 1: say underachieving, at least we expected more out of them.

528
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Speaker 1: As you get through one month into a season, you're

529
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Speaker 1: not where you want to be as a manager. What's

530
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Speaker 1: the key to writing out these periods where the rest of.

531
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Speaker 3: The world wants to be reactionary?

532
00:24:33,998 --> 00:24:37,398
Speaker 1: How do you get your guys focused on I don't

533
00:24:37,438 --> 00:24:39,558
Speaker 1: even want to say the longer term plan, but knowing

534
00:24:39,718 --> 00:24:40,798
Speaker 1: that you're okay.

535
00:24:41,438 --> 00:24:42,078
Speaker 2: Well it is.

536
00:24:42,118 --> 00:24:46,318
Speaker 4: I mean, it's still saying the mental skills and can

537
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Speaker 4: revisit one day.

538
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Speaker 2: At a time.

539
00:24:47,478 --> 00:24:49,798
Speaker 4: You got to really get them back to the present

540
00:24:49,838 --> 00:24:53,838
Speaker 4: tense and then in a short term goal kind of thing,

541
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Speaker 4: it was like win the week. I wanted to win

542
00:24:55,958 --> 00:24:58,918
Speaker 4: the week. So there was one year with the Rays

543
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Speaker 4: we were eighteen games under five hundred and I think

544
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Speaker 4: it was like forty or something like that, and by

545
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Speaker 4: the time we got to sixty one or two, we

546
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Speaker 4: were at five hundred, and that's all I was.

547
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Speaker 2: I was focusing on. That.

548
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Speaker 4: To me is like one of the greatest achievements as

549
00:25:13,878 --> 00:25:16,678
Speaker 4: a manager that I've been part of is being eighteen

550
00:25:16,758 --> 00:25:19,438
Speaker 4: games under five hundred, getting back that we didn't sustain

551
00:25:19,478 --> 00:25:22,358
Speaker 4: that we didn't I remember talking Alex Cobb after we

552
00:25:22,358 --> 00:25:25,158
Speaker 4: were like giddy about it because it was such an accomplishment.

553
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Speaker 4: It's hard to keep your foot down that hard that

554
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Speaker 4: long and expect something even better after that.

555
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Speaker 2: But it's it's about the day, and then win the week.

556
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Speaker 4: And this is something the used to do in instructional

557
00:25:36,878 --> 00:25:39,238
Speaker 4: league that would put up the week the week's record,

558
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Speaker 4: at least.

559
00:25:40,238 --> 00:25:42,518
Speaker 2: I wanted to. At that time we were playing.

560
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Speaker 4: Six games week at least the three and three, but

561
00:25:44,278 --> 00:25:46,198
Speaker 4: of course you wanted four to two or better. When

562
00:25:46,238 --> 00:25:48,598
Speaker 4: you got that five and one or six zer a week. Man,

563
00:25:48,758 --> 00:25:51,358
Speaker 4: now we're really making some hay. So I wanted it

564
00:25:51,358 --> 00:25:53,998
Speaker 4: always to present it in blocks that was understandable and

565
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Speaker 4: not unattainable. So of course you could win the day,

566
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Speaker 4: win the day, win the pitch, win that moment, and

567
00:26:01,118 --> 00:26:03,278
Speaker 4: then if we do that, we're going to win the week.

568
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Speaker 4: And because it's a long year, you're not going to

569
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Speaker 4: get it back all at once, and you've got to

570
00:26:07,558 --> 00:26:10,518
Speaker 4: be patient. But I wanted to give them an idea

571
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Speaker 4: of thought method in regards to how to do this

572
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Speaker 4: that seemed doable.

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Speaker 3: I like that idea.

574
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Speaker 1: It reminds me I was talking to Dusty Baker the

575
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Speaker 1: other day, and you know, Dusty's going through what you

576
00:26:23,078 --> 00:26:25,798
Speaker 1: went through with your Cubs team in seventeen that year after,

577
00:26:26,318 --> 00:26:27,078
Speaker 1: you know, coming.

578
00:26:26,878 --> 00:26:29,158
Speaker 3: Out of the blocks. It's human nature.

579
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Speaker 1: Man, there's just a little bit of an edge that's

580
00:26:31,478 --> 00:26:33,998
Speaker 1: not quite there. He's also missing jose Al Tuvey, who's

581
00:26:34,078 --> 00:26:36,318
Speaker 1: kind of a spirit and backbone of that team. But

582
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Speaker 1: he said, whatever's going on, he said, I want my

583
00:26:39,118 --> 00:26:41,678
Speaker 1: team to try to get to fifteen wins each month,

584
00:26:41,958 --> 00:26:45,758
Speaker 1: and the Astros somehow scraped and clawed and got to fifteen.

585
00:26:45,838 --> 00:26:48,558
Speaker 1: I mean, just do the math fifteen times six months,

586
00:26:48,558 --> 00:26:50,518
Speaker 1: and you're looking at ninety wins and you're in the

587
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Speaker 1: postseason if you win fifteen games per month. So it's

588
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Speaker 1: an interesting way. I like the idea of breaking it up,

589
00:26:56,438 --> 00:26:58,878
Speaker 1: as you said, even on a weekly basis.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean the monthly thing. No, the monthly thing.

591
00:27:00,598 --> 00:27:03,078
Speaker 4: Yeah, the same thing I always at the end of

592
00:27:03,118 --> 00:27:04,998
Speaker 4: the month, man, I wanted to win the month.

593
00:27:05,038 --> 00:27:07,998
Speaker 2: I wanted to win the month. And with Dusty's saying

594
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Speaker 2: on board.

595
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Speaker 1: With that, well, Joe, we've actually heard from some listeners

596
00:27:13,438 --> 00:27:17,078
Speaker 1: who are wondering what happened to our talk about rock

597
00:27:17,118 --> 00:27:21,998
Speaker 1: and roll and cars. So and they were not your

598
00:27:22,078 --> 00:27:25,558
Speaker 1: family members either. These are actual listeners. So we're gonna

599
00:27:26,238 --> 00:27:28,398
Speaker 1: we're gonna give you an old taste of that. Okay,

600
00:27:28,478 --> 00:27:30,878
Speaker 1: little old school Book of Joe coming up right after

601
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Speaker 1: this break, Welcome back to the Book of Joe podcast.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know if I can call it old school.

603
00:27:48,598 --> 00:27:50,318
Speaker 1: I don't think we've been around long enough to call

604
00:27:50,358 --> 00:27:54,718
Speaker 1: it old school. But either way, you got me thinking,

605
00:27:54,838 --> 00:27:57,438
Speaker 1: Joe when you mentioned Linda Ronstadt, do you remember that

606
00:27:58,438 --> 00:28:01,038
Speaker 1: the voice of Linda Ronstadt my favorite?

607
00:28:01,238 --> 00:28:03,038
Speaker 3: I mean, for what moments?

608
00:28:03,118 --> 00:28:07,398
Speaker 1: Does Linda basically get the ball to start the game

609
00:28:07,438 --> 00:28:10,038
Speaker 1: for you a moment? I mean, I mean, down moment, up,

610
00:28:10,078 --> 00:28:13,918
Speaker 1: moment you need to be picked up, you're driving, you're chilling.

611
00:28:14,398 --> 00:28:17,318
Speaker 3: What's the ron steat moment? Or is it any moment?

612
00:28:18,958 --> 00:28:21,598
Speaker 2: It's like introspective.

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00:28:21,758 --> 00:28:24,158
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean my little studio here, and I

614
00:28:24,198 --> 00:28:26,958
Speaker 4: got these big Sirwin Vegas speakers right here, next thing

615
00:28:26,998 --> 00:28:30,758
Speaker 4: to my right circle nineteen eighty with a great receiver,

616
00:28:31,518 --> 00:28:34,958
Speaker 4: and I pump my Bluetooth music through there, and sitting

617
00:28:34,998 --> 00:28:38,198
Speaker 4: on these two orange chairs facing the speakers. If I

618
00:28:38,358 --> 00:28:41,678
Speaker 4: just want to reflect, I just want to reflect, I

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Speaker 4: put Linda ronstt on because the speakers are magnificent, and

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Speaker 4: I get to listen to her magnificent voice, whether it's

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Speaker 4: it con is to me pop up, like when she

622
00:28:52,638 --> 00:28:55,078
Speaker 4: does her Spanish music. I don't understand all the words,

623
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Speaker 4: but her voice is incredible. Sometimes she goes operatic. She's

624
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Speaker 4: done that in the past or the Stone Ponies or

625
00:29:01,398 --> 00:29:05,558
Speaker 4: just by herself a long long time. I mean, I

626
00:29:05,598 --> 00:29:10,438
Speaker 4: could sit and listen to this woman. She gets she

627
00:29:10,518 --> 00:29:12,838
Speaker 4: just gets to meet the device to your soul, in

628
00:29:12,838 --> 00:29:15,838
Speaker 4: your spirit. It's either you know, Blue Bayou rock and

629
00:29:15,918 --> 00:29:18,518
Speaker 4: roll kind of stuff or whatever. But she's got the

630
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Speaker 4: voice of a genera generations. I know people argue that

631
00:29:22,718 --> 00:29:25,038
Speaker 4: a little bit, but she's my girl. I've been wanting

632
00:29:25,038 --> 00:29:27,998
Speaker 4: to meet her. I know she's She's had like a

633
00:29:27,998 --> 00:29:30,118
Speaker 4: little bit of a Parkinson's issue, I think. And when

634
00:29:30,118 --> 00:29:33,518
Speaker 4: I got to The Angels Starry Moreno, because you're from Tucson,

635
00:29:33,638 --> 00:29:36,078
Speaker 4: I said, you know the Ronstat family. I wanted to

636
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Speaker 4: know if he had an end with Linda Ronstadt. I

637
00:29:37,798 --> 00:29:41,438
Speaker 4: didn't really realize how she was not well at that time.

638
00:29:41,518 --> 00:29:43,878
Speaker 4: But there's a couple of great specials out there that

639
00:29:43,918 --> 00:29:48,678
Speaker 4: I've watched specifically only about her. Telling you folks to

640
00:29:48,758 --> 00:29:55,478
Speaker 4: yourself a favor interesting woman, tremendous woman, and for me

641
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Speaker 4: the best voice.

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00:29:56,838 --> 00:29:57,398
Speaker 2: I mean, Leatea.

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00:29:57,438 --> 00:30:01,838
Speaker 4: Gaga is like right there, right now. She's my contemporary version.

644
00:30:01,918 --> 00:30:03,998
Speaker 4: But god bless, I love.

645
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Speaker 2: The rod step.

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Speaker 3: Can I give you my Ron stat Yeah? And they

647
00:30:09,238 --> 00:30:11,358
Speaker 3: and they actually recorded an album together.

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Speaker 5: Emmy Lou Harris, Oh yeah, yeah, yes, I mean, same

649
00:30:17,038 --> 00:30:19,598
Speaker 5: kind of deal that she's got that voice, that it

650
00:30:19,798 --> 00:30:23,278
Speaker 5: just gets into your substrata down to your soul.

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Speaker 3: There's something about this plaintiveness to it.

652
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Speaker 1: It's like whatever steal guitar strings you got way down

653
00:30:29,558 --> 00:30:32,958
Speaker 1: in your soul, she's gonna pluck them, she's gonna tweak them.

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Speaker 1: And for me, I'll pop on her live album Spyboy.

655
00:30:38,478 --> 00:30:42,878
Speaker 1: Just I mean, it's like being in church. And there's

656
00:30:42,998 --> 00:30:44,518
Speaker 1: something about those voices.

657
00:30:44,798 --> 00:30:47,118
Speaker 2: I like a dark room. I like a dark room.

658
00:30:47,198 --> 00:30:47,758
Speaker 2: I like a night.

659
00:30:47,798 --> 00:30:49,358
Speaker 4: I like a dark just like I've told you in

660
00:30:49,358 --> 00:30:51,758
Speaker 4: the past, driving my car, car with a good stereo

661
00:30:51,798 --> 00:30:56,678
Speaker 4: system at night Springsteen, he gets me right. That would

662
00:30:56,718 --> 00:30:59,958
Speaker 4: get me right any Springsteen. Like I've talked about all

663
00:30:59,958 --> 00:31:03,198
Speaker 4: those different ones. But I love loud music at night

664
00:31:03,238 --> 00:31:07,518
Speaker 4: in the dark set, whether it's in my car, excuse me,

665
00:31:07,678 --> 00:31:10,078
Speaker 4: or sitting right here with the show in Vegas in

666
00:31:10,078 --> 00:31:13,998
Speaker 4: my face there's so many, but yeah that it gets

667
00:31:14,038 --> 00:31:14,398
Speaker 4: me right.

668
00:31:14,958 --> 00:31:18,998
Speaker 1: How about a Detroit version of Springsteen Bob Seger, you

669
00:31:19,118 --> 00:31:20,838
Speaker 1: talk about turning it up?

670
00:31:21,038 --> 00:31:23,118
Speaker 3: Yeah, driving the car at night.

671
00:31:23,438 --> 00:31:26,478
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's sort of like the old kind

672
00:31:26,518 --> 00:31:28,998
Speaker 1: of a Chris Stapleton. It's a combination of whiskey and

673
00:31:29,038 --> 00:31:33,518
Speaker 1: black leather in that voice, rolled me away. I could

674
00:31:33,518 --> 00:31:37,038
Speaker 1: play that over and over. There's certain classics that you know,

675
00:31:37,078 --> 00:31:40,078
Speaker 1: you get tired of. There's some songs I don't want

676
00:31:40,078 --> 00:31:42,078
Speaker 1: to hear a lot of times because kind of the

677
00:31:42,118 --> 00:31:43,038
Speaker 1: magic goes away.

678
00:31:43,358 --> 00:31:46,478
Speaker 3: And then there's others never gets old.

679
00:31:46,878 --> 00:31:47,278
Speaker 2: Agree.

680
00:31:47,398 --> 00:31:51,598
Speaker 4: I mean, there's there's the group that really come back

681
00:31:51,638 --> 00:31:54,398
Speaker 4: at you and you're going Detroit. But could I just

682
00:31:54,518 --> 00:31:57,958
Speaker 4: flip over the over the Pond? I mean, Nelton John

683
00:31:58,798 --> 00:32:01,398
Speaker 4: does that for me. Because of Lafayette College, because of

684
00:32:01,518 --> 00:32:05,918
Speaker 4: nineteen seventy one, seventy two, seventy three, when the Year

685
00:32:06,038 --> 00:32:09,678
Speaker 4: Song came out, and then eventually Leaveon and Tiny Dancer,

686
00:32:11,038 --> 00:32:15,838
Speaker 4: mad Man, Across the Water, Tumblewheat Connection. Those songs are

687
00:32:15,958 --> 00:32:20,758
Speaker 4: really not only wonderful and lyrical and but visceral for

688
00:32:20,838 --> 00:32:23,598
Speaker 4: me because it's a time period that I was growing

689
00:32:23,678 --> 00:32:29,598
Speaker 4: up and I was going from Hazelton to East Antallafayette College,

690
00:32:29,638 --> 00:32:32,758
Speaker 4: to Scratt and Red Sox of the Boulder Collegians, to

691
00:32:32,838 --> 00:32:36,598
Speaker 4: the Quad City Angels, and this these this music, when

692
00:32:36,598 --> 00:32:39,238
Speaker 4: this comes on, whenever I'll stop. I mean, like you

693
00:32:39,278 --> 00:32:42,918
Speaker 4: were suggesting, these never get tiring to me. This I

694
00:32:42,918 --> 00:32:45,398
Speaker 4: could hear every day and it still stops me and

695
00:32:45,758 --> 00:32:50,478
Speaker 4: regenerates or generates moments in time that are really valuable

696
00:32:50,518 --> 00:32:55,118
Speaker 4: to me. That kind of shaped informed me. So yeah,

697
00:32:55,198 --> 00:32:57,398
Speaker 4: you talk about secret, but I'll tell you Elton John

698
00:32:57,478 --> 00:33:01,798
Speaker 4: for me in that early seventies period more than anything

699
00:33:01,878 --> 00:33:04,558
Speaker 4: that time. And then Funeral for a Friend was a

700
00:33:04,558 --> 00:33:08,918
Speaker 4: song we played. They played every night at closing time

701
00:33:09,158 --> 00:33:12,518
Speaker 4: at the Dark Horse in Boulder, Colorado in nineteen seventy five,

702
00:33:12,958 --> 00:33:15,998
Speaker 4: and I could see Manny Cresco sitting up on a

703
00:33:16,038 --> 00:33:19,238
Speaker 4: partner's chair up on this makeshift stage and the well

704
00:33:19,278 --> 00:33:22,598
Speaker 4: drinks for sixty nine cents, and that included Chevis Regal,

705
00:33:22,678 --> 00:33:24,718
Speaker 4: and I would sit there and I would stay there

706
00:33:24,798 --> 00:33:28,238
Speaker 4: all to that very last note from Funeral for a Friend,

707
00:33:28,598 --> 00:33:32,118
Speaker 4: which still till today. I will listen to that song

708
00:33:32,198 --> 00:33:35,118
Speaker 4: form beginning to end. So you can talk about singer,

709
00:33:35,198 --> 00:33:40,518
Speaker 4: but Elton John is the one that really captures my imagination,

710
00:33:40,718 --> 00:33:44,118
Speaker 4: my visceral component of my being. I mean, because that

711
00:33:44,158 --> 00:33:45,798
Speaker 4: brings me back to where all this began.

712
00:33:46,678 --> 00:33:52,958
Speaker 1: Well, those songs, man, those were compositions, musical and literal compositions,

713
00:33:53,358 --> 00:33:56,998
Speaker 1: Elton and Bernie Toppen, the lyrics just I mean, they

714
00:33:56,998 --> 00:33:58,118
Speaker 1: were like great novels.

715
00:33:58,518 --> 00:34:00,518
Speaker 3: Very few of those songs get made these days.

716
00:34:00,558 --> 00:34:03,278
Speaker 1: Of course, everything has to be shorter, but it's probably

717
00:34:03,278 --> 00:34:05,078
Speaker 1: the reason why you ever get tired of it as well.

718
00:34:05,118 --> 00:34:08,278
Speaker 1: They're so rich and by the way, unfortunately we had

719
00:34:08,358 --> 00:34:11,678
Speaker 1: to say goodbye to Gordon Lightfoot this week. How about

720
00:34:11,718 --> 00:34:16,838
Speaker 1: that Canadian Troupidour. What a voice, what a musical storyteller.

721
00:34:17,718 --> 00:34:21,278
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy wrote a song about a metal

722
00:34:21,438 --> 00:34:23,838
Speaker 1: or cargo ship that's sunk on the Great Lakes and

723
00:34:23,878 --> 00:34:26,918
Speaker 1: it became like a number one hit on pop radio.

724
00:34:27,358 --> 00:34:32,478
Speaker 1: That tells you how good Gordon Light's voice and writing was.

725
00:34:32,878 --> 00:34:33,238
Speaker 2: Yeah.

726
00:34:33,278 --> 00:34:36,518
Speaker 1: So Gordon Lightfoot, did he get on your radar at

727
00:34:36,558 --> 00:34:37,678
Speaker 1: all over those years?

728
00:34:37,878 --> 00:34:38,918
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah.

729
00:34:38,958 --> 00:34:41,718
Speaker 4: And I would imagine as you're talking about that, and

730
00:34:41,838 --> 00:34:44,238
Speaker 4: it's just trying to tie things or just tying things.

731
00:34:44,038 --> 00:34:45,198
Speaker 2: Together because it happens.

732
00:34:46,038 --> 00:34:47,878
Speaker 4: I would almost bet when he sat down and write that.

733
00:34:47,918 --> 00:34:49,758
Speaker 4: It was one true sentence, like he was sitting down,

734
00:34:49,758 --> 00:34:51,918
Speaker 4: I'm gonna write a song. Watch this cargo ship on

735
00:34:51,958 --> 00:34:52,718
Speaker 4: the lake right.

736
00:34:53,278 --> 00:34:54,318
Speaker 2: And how do you do that?

737
00:34:54,518 --> 00:34:56,798
Speaker 4: And it just had to like start with one sentence

738
00:34:56,798 --> 00:35:00,158
Speaker 4: and then everything begat or got the next sentence.

739
00:35:00,518 --> 00:35:02,438
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you one thing he did do, Joe,

740
00:35:02,438 --> 00:35:06,238
Speaker 1: and this speaks to his personality. Before he recorded that song,

741
00:35:06,678 --> 00:35:11,798
Speaker 1: he actually spoke with surviving members of the families just

742
00:35:11,838 --> 00:35:14,238
Speaker 1: to make sure it was cool that he was writing

743
00:35:14,278 --> 00:35:14,798
Speaker 1: this song.

744
00:35:14,918 --> 00:35:17,638
Speaker 3: That I mean, I think he expected it.

745
00:35:17,598 --> 00:35:20,198
Speaker 1: To be as big as it was, but wanted to

746
00:35:20,238 --> 00:35:22,398
Speaker 1: honor the privacy and the grieving of the families. He

747
00:35:22,438 --> 00:35:24,118
Speaker 1: tracked them down and said, hey, this is what I

748
00:35:24,158 --> 00:35:27,558
Speaker 1: want to do. That to me speaks volumes.

749
00:35:28,238 --> 00:35:30,198
Speaker 2: I love it. I didn't know that, of course I

750
00:35:30,198 --> 00:35:30,918
Speaker 2: didn't know that, but I.

751
00:35:30,878 --> 00:35:32,078
Speaker 3: Love that well.

752
00:35:32,358 --> 00:35:35,118
Speaker 1: Gordon Lightfoot, if you haven't heard of him, check him out.

753
00:35:35,198 --> 00:35:37,638
Speaker 1: I was talking to Nick Pavetta the other day, Boston

754
00:35:37,638 --> 00:35:41,078
Speaker 1: Red Sox Pitcher. He's Canadian, had not heard of Gordon Lightfoot.

755
00:35:41,198 --> 00:35:44,998
Speaker 1: Courts a completely different era. I get it, but he's

756
00:35:45,038 --> 00:35:47,198
Speaker 1: sort of like a Bob Dylan of Canada. If you

757
00:35:47,238 --> 00:35:51,718
Speaker 1: ask me, it's the nation holds his work very dearly

758
00:35:51,758 --> 00:35:53,558
Speaker 1: and very proudly as well they should.

759
00:35:54,958 --> 00:35:57,198
Speaker 3: Joe, Well, this has been fascinating.

760
00:35:57,278 --> 00:36:01,798
Speaker 1: We talked a lot about fast starts, impressions, slow starts

761
00:36:01,798 --> 00:36:02,358
Speaker 1: of teams.

762
00:36:03,918 --> 00:36:05,398
Speaker 3: Give me one team as we.

763
00:36:05,278 --> 00:36:08,518
Speaker 1: Get out of here, you've got your eye on that

764
00:36:08,598 --> 00:36:11,398
Speaker 1: you think is going to hold up and be real

765
00:36:11,478 --> 00:36:13,958
Speaker 1: like a dark horse team this year that's not going

766
00:36:13,998 --> 00:36:16,478
Speaker 1: to fade. I'm not saying they're in the postseason, but

767
00:36:16,598 --> 00:36:19,278
Speaker 1: you think at least in it for the long haul.

768
00:36:19,798 --> 00:36:22,518
Speaker 4: Baltimore, And because they did it last year, you know

769
00:36:22,558 --> 00:36:25,678
Speaker 4: they got close last year. They smelled it. They smelled

770
00:36:25,678 --> 00:36:30,318
Speaker 4: it last year. They've they're slowly and they steadily have

771
00:36:30,358 --> 00:36:33,958
Speaker 4: been developing their culture and their method of operation. And

772
00:36:33,998 --> 00:36:35,838
Speaker 4: I know the people that are running it, and I

773
00:36:35,918 --> 00:36:37,638
Speaker 4: kind of like that a lot. I know Brandon Hyde

774
00:36:37,638 --> 00:36:41,638
Speaker 4: well hiders a man's man. He's not he knows what

775
00:36:41,678 --> 00:36:46,438
Speaker 4: he believes in. He'll have tough conversations. They got some

776
00:36:46,478 --> 00:36:49,398
Speaker 4: of the better young players in the American League. I

777
00:36:49,398 --> 00:36:52,398
Speaker 4: think they're going to pitch enough, so I don't think

778
00:36:52,398 --> 00:36:54,318
Speaker 4: they're going to fade. And again, I think a lot

779
00:36:54,358 --> 00:36:56,118
Speaker 4: has to do with what they had done last year

780
00:36:56,438 --> 00:36:59,878
Speaker 4: that matters. It's no different than he went to Raise

781
00:36:59,918 --> 00:37:01,958
Speaker 4: in two thousand and seven. I know the record wasn't good,

782
00:37:01,958 --> 00:37:04,438
Speaker 4: but after we got Danny Wheeler at the end of

783
00:37:04,478 --> 00:37:07,478
Speaker 4: that year and they go into the next season with

784
00:37:07,518 --> 00:37:10,638
Speaker 4: the new name. When from the devil race of the Rays,

785
00:37:10,678 --> 00:37:14,678
Speaker 4: A lot had been built in that two thousand and

786
00:37:14,718 --> 00:37:16,598
Speaker 4: seven season that permitted two thousand and eight, and then

787
00:37:16,638 --> 00:37:19,638
Speaker 4: with the fifteen Wow, the fifteen Cubs. I mean, that

788
00:37:19,718 --> 00:37:21,998
Speaker 4: was a big surprise. Nobody even talks about that. But

789
00:37:23,198 --> 00:37:24,998
Speaker 4: if you look at that roster and how that team

790
00:37:25,038 --> 00:37:26,838
Speaker 4: was built, in the names of that group, and the

791
00:37:26,878 --> 00:37:29,958
Speaker 4: fact that we went to the NLCS, that's pretty impressive.

792
00:37:30,318 --> 00:37:31,838
Speaker 4: But then you go to the World Series next year

793
00:37:31,878 --> 00:37:33,558
Speaker 4: based on what you built in fifteen.

794
00:37:34,718 --> 00:37:35,798
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm.

795
00:37:35,598 --> 00:37:38,398
Speaker 4: Excited about the Orioles. I listen, I like what the

796
00:37:38,438 --> 00:37:42,078
Speaker 4: Pirates are doing. Anytime you see speed in youth and pitching,

797
00:37:42,158 --> 00:37:45,598
Speaker 4: I'm in. I mean, it's hard to go wrong with that.

798
00:37:45,798 --> 00:37:46,998
Speaker 4: Of course, you got to catch the ball, and I

799
00:37:46,998 --> 00:37:51,198
Speaker 4: think you're athletic and you're quick, you're going to get

800
00:37:51,198 --> 00:37:53,878
Speaker 4: guys in position to catch the ball. But pitching and

801
00:37:53,918 --> 00:37:55,918
Speaker 4: speed is very exciting. To me because in the end,

802
00:37:55,958 --> 00:37:57,958
Speaker 4: if your speed and athletic you probably got some pop.

803
00:37:58,278 --> 00:38:01,638
Speaker 4: You're annoying on a daily basis. So I like the

804
00:38:01,678 --> 00:38:04,038
Speaker 4: Pirates too, But I still think that what had what

805
00:38:04,078 --> 00:38:06,118
Speaker 4: Baltimore had done last year bleeds.

806
00:38:05,878 --> 00:38:06,438
Speaker 2: Into this year.

807
00:38:07,158 --> 00:38:10,678
Speaker 1: I'm with you on Baltimore, and I love your reasons there,

808
00:38:10,718 --> 00:38:14,678
Speaker 1: and especially after watching the way I call it ready baseball,

809
00:38:14,998 --> 00:38:17,478
Speaker 1: the new way of playing baseball has played out so

810
00:38:17,558 --> 00:38:18,878
Speaker 1: far in the first month of the season.

811
00:38:18,918 --> 00:38:19,998
Speaker 3: I'm talking about the new rules.

812
00:38:20,038 --> 00:38:23,838
Speaker 1: Obviously, you need speed, you need athletic system, you need

813
00:38:23,958 --> 00:38:27,038
Speaker 1: range on defense. Younger guys tend to be healthier than

814
00:38:27,038 --> 00:38:30,718
Speaker 1: older guys. I think the rules the game literally has

815
00:38:30,718 --> 00:38:33,678
Speaker 1: played faster, and we've seen older pitchers have a harder

816
00:38:33,718 --> 00:38:37,318
Speaker 1: time at the pace of the game. You know, even

817
00:38:37,358 --> 00:38:40,358
Speaker 1: your aerobic level is being tested. As a pitcher now,

818
00:38:40,438 --> 00:38:44,118
Speaker 1: you cannot slow the game down. Stolen bases now are

819
00:38:44,398 --> 00:38:46,918
Speaker 1: people are saying it's too easy. It's not too easy, folks.

820
00:38:46,958 --> 00:38:49,278
Speaker 1: That number of stolen bases it's the same as what

821
00:38:49,318 --> 00:38:51,798
Speaker 1: we saw in nineteen ninety seven. It's not like it's

822
00:38:51,838 --> 00:38:56,278
Speaker 1: a joke. But the percentage success rate is higher than

823
00:38:56,278 --> 00:38:58,798
Speaker 1: it's ever been it's over eighty percent, and I think

824
00:38:58,878 --> 00:39:02,398
Speaker 1: teams will start running more, and teams like Baltimore, teams

825
00:39:02,558 --> 00:39:08,238
Speaker 1: like Arizona, teams like Pittsburgh can leverage these rules better

826
00:39:08,998 --> 00:39:11,838
Speaker 1: then the guys with the big bodies, the older players.

827
00:39:13,078 --> 00:39:14,998
Speaker 1: I'm going with the Orioles as well, Joe. I think

828
00:39:14,998 --> 00:39:17,158
Speaker 1: it's a great pick. I like what I see. You've

829
00:39:17,158 --> 00:39:21,198
Speaker 1: got Rushman, You've got Henderson, two franchise players up the middle.

830
00:39:21,198 --> 00:39:23,678
Speaker 1: They should get John Means back sometime during the middle

831
00:39:23,678 --> 00:39:25,518
Speaker 1: of the season from the Tommy John surgery.

832
00:39:26,158 --> 00:39:28,318
Speaker 3: A lot of good things happening for the Baltimore Orioles.

833
00:39:28,318 --> 00:39:28,758
Speaker 3: A great call.

834
00:39:29,318 --> 00:39:31,358
Speaker 4: Let me ask you this too about the running game.

835
00:39:32,078 --> 00:39:33,518
Speaker 4: Has there been an uptick and pitch out?

836
00:39:33,518 --> 00:39:35,878
Speaker 2: So? I haven't noticed that. Is anybody pitching out? Is

837
00:39:35,878 --> 00:39:39,798
Speaker 2: it still non existent? Yeah?

838
00:39:40,158 --> 00:39:43,558
Speaker 3: I saw Bob Melvin call a pitch out. It's rare.

839
00:39:43,678 --> 00:39:46,798
Speaker 1: I mean, we went from none, as you know, to

840
00:39:47,438 --> 00:39:51,438
Speaker 1: a rare pitch out. We're not seeing that the way

841
00:39:51,478 --> 00:39:52,718
Speaker 1: we did back in the eighties.

842
00:39:53,398 --> 00:39:55,998
Speaker 4: Truth be told, I've had it even the last couple years,

843
00:39:56,038 --> 00:39:58,198
Speaker 4: but I've had a disguised pitch out right because they

844
00:39:58,198 --> 00:39:59,918
Speaker 4: didn't want anybody to know what we're doing, and it

845
00:39:59,998 --> 00:40:02,158
Speaker 4: wasn't an elevated pitch. I want Tom catch her off

846
00:40:02,158 --> 00:40:04,798
Speaker 4: the plate so that he did not have to come

847
00:40:04,838 --> 00:40:06,478
Speaker 4: out of his stance. So we would call a pitch

848
00:40:06,518 --> 00:40:10,118
Speaker 4: out and the catcher would say, I'm noticeably outside. Now,

849
00:40:10,118 --> 00:40:13,038
Speaker 4: if somebody's watching on TV, they might come back to

850
00:40:13,078 --> 00:40:15,598
Speaker 4: the dugout and tell whomever that was a pitch out.

851
00:40:15,678 --> 00:40:20,958
Speaker 4: And that's possible, but I still, for me, under the

852
00:40:21,038 --> 00:40:25,158
Speaker 4: circumstances today, I think I believe that I would want

853
00:40:25,198 --> 00:40:28,158
Speaker 4: more noticeable pitch outs to give teams something to think

854
00:40:28,198 --> 00:40:33,238
Speaker 4: about so that they would not be as readily just

855
00:40:33,278 --> 00:40:36,318
Speaker 4: wanting to run. And what's the deal. I mean, if

856
00:40:36,358 --> 00:40:39,198
Speaker 4: teams are going to easily steal the bag, why would

857
00:40:39,198 --> 00:40:42,158
Speaker 4: you not pitch out even after your two throwovers, knowing

858
00:40:42,158 --> 00:40:43,638
Speaker 4: that they're going to run? And really like, if you

859
00:40:43,678 --> 00:40:47,918
Speaker 4: do advanced scouting, putting that in player, even if you're

860
00:40:48,038 --> 00:40:51,638
Speaker 4: wrong again, that prevents them. So there's a seat of

861
00:40:51,638 --> 00:40:53,798
Speaker 4: doubt that needs to be planet here somewhere, and I'm

862
00:40:53,838 --> 00:40:57,478
Speaker 4: just curious that just moves further along if you're going

863
00:40:57,558 --> 00:41:01,558
Speaker 4: to see some natural pitchouts again, And then, like we

864
00:41:01,598 --> 00:41:03,118
Speaker 4: have talked about, I don't even know this, but the

865
00:41:03,158 --> 00:41:06,038
Speaker 4: backpicks from the catcher to first base, like this is

866
00:41:06,038 --> 00:41:08,278
Speaker 4: where Wilson Contrares could really help a group. I know

867
00:41:08,358 --> 00:41:11,758
Speaker 4: that from and then Dave David Ross back in the day.

868
00:41:11,798 --> 00:41:14,598
Speaker 4: So pitch outs, back picks, whatever, there's got to be

869
00:41:14,598 --> 00:41:17,998
Speaker 4: a little bit more creative methods or are more aggressive methods,

870
00:41:18,038 --> 00:41:21,638
Speaker 4: taking some chances to make the other team think about

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Speaker 4: it a little bit and not be so cavalier in

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Speaker 4: regards to running without worrying.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just cool to see that the stolen base

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Speaker 1: itself is back in as even the threat, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, after the first disengagement, I start thinking, you know,

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Speaker 1: the guys should run next pitch after two straight or

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Speaker 1: two In a plate appearance, I would run all the

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Speaker 1: time on first move. Ye, I'm surprised that hasn't happened

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Speaker 1: more often. But even the idea that hey, this guy

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Speaker 1: might be running. Yeah, oh man, it's nineteen eighties all

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Speaker 1: over again.

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Speaker 3: It's great.

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Speaker 2: It's good stuff. It is good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yes, all right, speaking of good stuff, Joe, you got

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Speaker 1: something to take us home on this latest edition of

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Speaker 1: the Book of Joe.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he was speaking to me. Albert Einstein

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Speaker 4: pretty good mind. It just happened upon this yesterday. I

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Speaker 4: thought it was great. No one is remembered for being normal.

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Speaker 4: Albert Einstein had said that, and I have all My

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Speaker 4: line was, you have to be a little bit crazy

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Speaker 4: to be great. I guess it's kind of the same thing.

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Speaker 4: But no one is remembered for being normal. Albert el

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Speaker 4: Einstein said that, I think it's wonderful.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 2: It's very encouraging. It's very you and Albert.

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Speaker 3: You guys. I can see you guys hanging out together

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Speaker 3: back in the day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very encouraging to me.

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Speaker 3: See you next time. Joe.

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Speaker 2: All right, buddy, thank you.

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