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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by Draft Kings Today. It's

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Speaker 1: myself Ryan Mink sitting down with Garrett Downing. The duo

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Speaker 1: is back together, and we heard from the Ravens in

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Speaker 1: their pre draft press conference. It was general manager Eric

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Speaker 1: to Coussen, head coach John Harbaugh aka the Liar's Luncheon.

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Speaker 1: This is what this has kind of been named because

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Speaker 1: of course they're not going to tip their hand too

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Speaker 1: much when it comes to what they think heading into

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Speaker 1: the draft, but there's always some takeaways. You got to

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Speaker 1: kind of read between the lines, you know, you get

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Speaker 1: some fuzzy ideas on things, all right, So Garrett and

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Speaker 1: I are gonna give you our takeaways from the pre

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Speaker 1: draft press conference. Garrett, I think we've spent a lot

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Speaker 1: of time talking about offensive linemen, and if you haven't

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Speaker 1: gone back, if you haven't done so already, go back

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Speaker 1: and listen to the podcast we did with Cole Jackson,

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Speaker 1: which he did a deep dive on those offensive line prospects.

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Speaker 1: And he's not the only one doing his homework on

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Speaker 1: these offensive linemen.

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Speaker 2: The Ravens are too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Eric Taicassa shared an interesting story where

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Speaker 3: he basically right now all the scouts. Just to kind

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Speaker 3: of set the stage here, all the scouts are back

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Speaker 3: in the building. You know, they are scattered all over

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Speaker 3: the country going through pro days and all that. Over

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Speaker 3: the course of the last several weeks, they've all returned

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Speaker 3: here so that now they're having track meetings with the

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Speaker 3: coaches and this is really when the board is set.

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Speaker 3: So on Monday, all the coaches, the scouts, they went

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Speaker 3: through these meetings and they spent the entire day dedicated

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Speaker 3: to the offensive line. That was the entire focus of

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Speaker 3: that meeting. Now it's not a six pm, nine am

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Speaker 3: to six pm sundown sun up to sundown.

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Speaker 2: Baby solar cliffs.

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Speaker 3: I don't know did they Did they pop out there

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Speaker 3: the solar eclips and check it out. That's a good question.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, so they were focused on that, and I

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Speaker 3: thought it was. Eric Tacosta said it wasn't just because

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Speaker 3: that certainly played a part in that, and I think

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Speaker 3: that it's an indication that the Ravens are obviously going

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Speaker 3: to their due diligence on that category and they they're

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Speaker 3: working on that. And you know, we had Daniel Jeremiah

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Speaker 3: interesting in saying that he thinks the Ravens are going

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Speaker 3: to draft three offensive linemen. And if you're going to

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Speaker 3: draft three offensive lineman, if he's correct, then you got

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Speaker 3: to do a lot of research. And that's what the

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Speaker 3: Ravens are doing.

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Speaker 2: Third of your picks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Ravens are doing that research right now, and

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Speaker 3: that was evident by the story from ABC.

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Speaker 1: And John Harball said, you know, they have confidence that

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Speaker 1: some of these young players already on the roster can

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Speaker 1: step into starting roles, but of course they want more

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Speaker 1: and more competition, and you want some young guys not

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Speaker 1: only who could potentially step in and start day week

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Speaker 1: one in twenty twenty four, but beyond right, you want

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Speaker 1: an eventual left tackle air to Ronnie Stanley. You want

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Speaker 1: obviously replace him for Morgan Mozzies. Now maybe that's Daniel Follolele,

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Speaker 1: but certainly I think the Ravens could find that guy

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely totally. And I think that there's there's two

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Speaker 3: pieces to that. The Ravens like these young players. They

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Speaker 3: really excited about Andrew Vohees. So that is true. It's

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Speaker 3: also true that, of course, you're never going to tip

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Speaker 3: like any of our young guys, we need to go

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Speaker 3: of course. And then the other part is like, even

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Speaker 3: if you like your guys, which is where the Ravens are, you,

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Speaker 3: you want to add additional competition. You're not just handing

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Speaker 3: So the Ravens are going to inject additional competition to

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Speaker 3: and that's what they're going to do in the draft.

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Speaker 1: Two other takeaways for me on the offensive line. One is,

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Speaker 1: So we're not gonna be sharing any of that. That's

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Speaker 1: Joe Ortzies was kind of missed in that regard. I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna lie George's. Now, the GM with the Chargers

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Speaker 1: and there were none of those.

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Speaker 2: So we don't have anything to report on that.

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Speaker 3: And it just so you know, if if listeners haven't

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Speaker 3: gone and watched or viewed the whole thing, a you

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Speaker 3: can check it out on the Ravens Press Pass podcast feed.

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Speaker 3: But it was just Eric and John. There was not

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Speaker 3: a third person out there like Joe wast to your

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Speaker 3: point to answer those nitty gritty prospect questions.

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Speaker 2: That's correct.

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Speaker 1: And then also on the offensive line and the offensive

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Speaker 1: lineman prospects, Eric Cossa did say that their greatest challenge

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Speaker 1: really when evaluating some of these offensive linemen, or in

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Speaker 1: The players really that the reporter was asking about was

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Speaker 1: that is really one of the biggest scouting challenges that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, I think that that's and it's not just

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Speaker 3: related to the offensive line. But the reporter asked specifically

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Speaker 2: We didn't ask about the two processes.

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Speaker 3: because he even said, like some of the guys who

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Speaker 3: dilemma that Dacasa is referring to exists at at basically

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Speaker 1: Every team is also dealing with that same to the Ravens.

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Speaker 1: So with those two guys, and that's as we've talked about.

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Speaker 1: The reason my gut, you know, mostly says they're gonna

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Speaker 1: one of them could be available to the Ravens thirty

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Speaker 1: is because other teams, like the Ravens, have pause about

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know totally, And I've actually seen you

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Speaker 3: know that you see everything in the moxbot. Interestingly enough,

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Speaker 3: i've seen some that have both of them being there

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Speaker 1: Well and also right also, if you haven't done so,

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Speaker 1: go check out my mock draft which posted on Monday,

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Speaker 1: in which I have the Ravens. Should I give it

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Speaker 1: I mean, I have the Ravens drafting Amarius Mims, the

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Speaker 1: don't know that he's going to get there. It might

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Speaker 1: But for these reasons that we're talking about limited, limited

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Speaker 3: So in terms of other stuff that things that stood

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Speaker 3: like super big picture. There's been a lot made of

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Speaker 3: know Joe Orties, Mike McDonald, patrick Queen j and Avion Clowney,

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Speaker 3: last year they were the number one seed in the AFC,

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Speaker 3: you have sustained, And it was as and then the

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Speaker 3: Jerry Jones said earlier this offseasons this question of all in?

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Speaker 3: This year, I don't know, took a lot of took

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Speaker 3: don't think we can get back to that point. No,

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Speaker 3: The quote from John Harball was that we're gonna have

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Speaker 3: he's he feels like this team is gonna be legit

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think they're right. I think they are

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Speaker 1: going to be an excellent team this year. You know,

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Speaker 1: the sheer number of free agent losses A dozen guys.

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Speaker 1: That makes you say, whoa wolf?

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Speaker 2: You're right, But.

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Speaker 1: When you really go back and look at it, some

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Speaker 1: Geno Stone wasn't a starter when everybody was healthy. Like

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Speaker 1: But they drafted Trent and Simpson last year. Kind of

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Speaker 2: We're gonna be all right.

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Speaker 1: And Eric Kassa, you know, we're not building a team

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Speaker 1: Who's gonna play it? After the draft, when we see

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Speaker 2: Many other offseasons.

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Speaker 1: Sure we've lost a higher number of just total all,

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Speaker 3: I think that it's honestly, I think that part of

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Speaker 1: I don't know that that's to a greater There's been

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Speaker 2: I mean, you lost the three.

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Speaker 3: You lost three coaches to become defensive coordinators or a

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Speaker 3: Spending one year. And I think that the Ravens have

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Speaker 2: I don't think they do at all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, a, you know, this team is contended

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Speaker 1: For how long now, I mean gotty day. Like we're

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Speaker 2: I think we're gonna be okay.

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Speaker 1: We can replace that, you know, like so defensively, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: We kept him still here. It's a big deal.

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Speaker 1: So no, they're not pushing the padic button and neither

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Speaker 1: the cornerbacks. And I asked about that because there hasn't

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Speaker 3: Say, yeah, I mean I think you could say that.

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Speaker 1: Number one is clear offensive tackle. Yeah, And then it's

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Speaker 1: two is it's a three horse race between corner, pass

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Speaker 1: haven't really talked about that. Eric Costa said, it's it's

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Speaker 3: Yeah. They also they also probably have their they have

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Speaker 1: If they were to draft Cooper Degene, you know he

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Speaker 1: So yeah, he said, you know, there's certainly cornerbacks that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they often do draft corners. Don't feel like you

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Speaker 2: I mean, Nate Wiggins from Clemson is another name.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's there's some guys there who could be

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Speaker 3: I honestly like the same thing could really be said

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Speaker 3: adding short term competition and a long term starter. That's

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Speaker 2: That's very true.

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Speaker 2: It's it's really.

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Speaker 1: Probably receiver you are you are really betting on? You

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Speaker 2: That is a that is a tough assignment. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: Right, I think that it's you could make the same

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Speaker 3: Now you have obviously Nelson Aguilar, but you also lost

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Speaker 3: He's twenty four need. But I would be surprised if

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Speaker 3: So another topic that was brought up during press converse.

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Speaker 1: So this was this is one of the more interesting

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Speaker 1: for fifth year option. Yes, so if you trade back

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Speaker 1: not specify whether the range is. But that's probably in

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Speaker 1: you know, we really think the sixth, the mid fifth

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Speaker 3: leaving out from his answer as you said, Yeah, all

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Speaker 3: things being equally, you want to have that. You want

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Speaker 3: to maintain that fifth year option. So if you're giving

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Speaker 3: it up, it has value. So you better be getting

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Speaker 3: a premium in return.

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Speaker 1: And that's exactly what I'm saying. The only way that

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Speaker 1: the Ravens add those picks in that range is probably

442
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Speaker 1: trading back their first round from the first round out

443
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Speaker 1: of the first round. And he's saying, you better give

444
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Speaker 1: me something good. I want something in those premium rounds. See,

445
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Speaker 1: I ain't giving away for free, but like that's the

446
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Speaker 1: only way that you add picks in those rounds, which

447
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Speaker 1: he wants to do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's.

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Speaker 3: Basically it's it's it's got to be a lot. I mean,

450
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Speaker 3: that's the main point there. And I also, like I

451
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Speaker 3: go back to when the Ravens traded up for Lamar

452
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Speaker 3: Jackson in twenty eighteen, they gave up their second round

453
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Speaker 3: pick that next year. So that's a premium. You're giving

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Speaker 3: up a second round pick. So if they got an

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Speaker 3: additional second round pick, not just a swap, of course,

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Speaker 3: but an additional second round pick, either in this year

457
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Speaker 3: or next year. Okay, now we're talking a premium.

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Speaker 1: Well, really, if we're looking at who the trade options

459
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Speaker 1: are the most logical people, the most logical teams if

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Speaker 1: the Ravens are trading back from number thirty, are probably

461
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Speaker 1: the Saints and the Raiders. Okay, you would say we're

462
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Speaker 1: looking at quarterback hungry teams. These are teams that are

463
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Speaker 1: looking a The fifth year option is more valuable for

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Speaker 1: a quarterback. Yeah, because of the contracts that they get.

465
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Speaker 1: These are teams looking to get in at the end

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Speaker 1: of the first round to get their quarterback. Right. Because

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Speaker 1: let's just say the Patriots don't take a quarterback with

468
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Speaker 1: their first pick, they take a wide receiver, right, Well,

469
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Speaker 1: everybody who wants a quarterbacks is going to be looking

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Speaker 1: to get ahead of them before they pick in the

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Speaker 1: second round. Yeah, right, or they might be looking to

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Speaker 1: move up, right, because the quarterback needy teams going into

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Speaker 1: this draft, because the draft always centers around quarterbacks, are

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Speaker 1: the Saints, the Raiders, the Broncos, and the Patriots. The

475
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Speaker 1: Broncos do not have a second round pick.

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Speaker 3: Well, you're also you're, of course leaving off the teams

477
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Speaker 3: at the very top.

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Speaker 2: Of course.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course the Bears are going to take a

480
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Speaker 1: quarterback when Washington's gonna take those teams are taking their

481
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks the first two picks.

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Speaker 2: Most likely right beyond them.

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Speaker 1: Right, those are the teams that I'm talking about again, Saints, Raiders,

484
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Speaker 1: Broncos said it, and I.

485
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Speaker 3: Say Patriots, Patriots, and then you're Vikings.

486
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Speaker 1: And the Vikings. Yes, you're right, absolutely right. They are

487
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Speaker 1: have certainly signaled that they're going to move up. Yeah,

488
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Speaker 1: so maybe they move up, but they can move already

489
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Speaker 1: moved up.

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Speaker 3: Now we're like debating the top of the draft. They

491
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Speaker 3: could be they could be end up with the fourth

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Speaker 3: overall pick, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Fourth, fifth, Yeah, exactly expect that they probably will.

494
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is if the Ravens are trading

496
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Speaker 1: back from thirty, I think likely teams are the Saints.

497
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Speaker 1: The teams that watch are the Saints and the Raiders,

498
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Speaker 1: who are going to be looking at bo Nix and

499
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Speaker 1: Michael Pennox Junior. There's going to be the two guys

500
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Speaker 1: that are probably going to be on the board if yeah, right,

501
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Speaker 1: maybe a JJ McCarthy probably not, Yeah, he's probably might

502
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: be long gone. Yeah, Right, it's bo Nix and McCarthy

503
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Speaker 1: or Penix, I mean, and those they have kind of

504
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Speaker 1: they're between ten and fifteen the next round. I want

505
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Speaker 1: to say, somewhere in that range of the next round.

506
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Speaker 1: And so you're not moving back five picks here, you're

507
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Speaker 1: moving back a healthy half around. Yeah, right, If you're

508
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Speaker 1: moving back half around, then yeah, I think the Ravens

509
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Speaker 1: should expect a premium in return.

510
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Speaker 2: You would have to.

511
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Speaker 3: And honestly, like I'm not I am not sold, and

512
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Speaker 3: this would be this would actually probably be good for

513
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Speaker 3: the Ravens. I don't know that Pennox and bo Nicks

514
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 3: will both necessarily be there. I think that there's potential

515
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Speaker 3: that they could be gone prior.

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Speaker 1: They could certainly, I mean Denver, like I said, doesn't

517
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: have a second round pick. Yeah, they might just trade

518
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 1: They might take Bonux straight up with their pick in

519
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Speaker 1: the first round, or they trade back a few picks

520
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: and take them whatever. Right, Like they're a trade back

521
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Speaker 1: option in round one because they don't have a second

522
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Speaker 1: round pick. The trade up from the second round options

523
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Speaker 1: that make logical sense, or the Saints and the Raiders.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so if those teams, I agree, if they

525
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Speaker 3: trade up, but then you're you're probably talking a bonus,

526
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Speaker 3: like a bonus second round pick or a healthy number

527
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Speaker 3: of we'll give you a third this year, a third

528
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Speaker 3: next year, at fourth this year. You know, like you're talking,

529
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Speaker 3: you're talking a nice package. So yeah, part of it is.

530
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Speaker 3: Part of it is tough negotiating to costa saying yeah, well,

531
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 3: you know, we take your call, but it's gonna cost you.

532
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 3: So that part of it's tough negotiating. But I also

533
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 3: think that that is real, Like I don't think it's

534
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 3: just like blowing smoke and he's like, we want to

535
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Speaker 3: get the want to sell this pick as fast as

536
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Speaker 3: I can can.

537
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Speaker 1: And another point they made here today is picking at thirty,

538
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: it's hard to predict how the board is going to

539
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 1: fall the later you were picking. The hope is that

540
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Speaker 1: a player they have in their top twenty is there

541
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Speaker 1: at number thirty. That's you know, that's ambitious that somebody

542
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: in your top twenty falls all the way there. But

543
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: that happens, right If a player in their top twenty

544
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 1: falls to thirty, the price goes up on what the

545
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 1: Ravens would require to trade out. Yeah, of that pick, right,

546
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: So but if they're sitting there and whatever, the twenty

547
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 1: seventh best player on their board is there at thirty, Okay,

548
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: I'm willing to trade back maybe for a little bit less,

549
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So, yeah, that's just how

550
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Speaker 1: it works.

551
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Speaker 3: It is certainly depending on the board. Is that is

552
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Speaker 3: that is probably is probably the biggest factor. But I still,

553
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Speaker 3: based on what I heard from him today and based

554
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Speaker 3: on how I felt about this whole situation coming in,

555
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 3: I still do not think they're going to trade out

556
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Speaker 3: of the first round. That is my take.

557
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 2: We have to make a friendly majroes. We have to.

558
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 3: All right, that's take a quick break. When we come back,

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Speaker 3: we'll dive into some of the other talking points and

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Speaker 2: So we've talked about various positions.

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Speaker 1: Cornerback, O line, edge is another one I think that

575
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Speaker 1: we should spend a little bit of time on here.

576
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Speaker 1: Eric Cossa said, it's an average draft for the edge rushers.

577
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: Said the challenge for us will be defined who's in

578
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Speaker 1: the next tier, that kind of second tier of guys,

579
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: kind of in the sweet spot between the twenty fifth

580
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: player and the forty fifth player that we could get

581
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Speaker 1: somewhere either at thirty or sixty two.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

583
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 1: So you know, these are the Raven's top two picks here,

584
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 1: still saying we could take an edge rusher with one.

585
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: Of those and it's it's who that guy is.

586
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Speaker 1: He also said, now, we've had a lot of success

587
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 1: picking mid middle round edge rushers. Yeah, right, so which

588
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: one is it?

589
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but.

590
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 3: It's a lot easier. It's a lot easier to say, yeah,

591
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 3: we've had a lot of success in the mid rounds

592
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 3: because it's just such a wide open like range, and

593
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 3: it's like kind of you can just assume, you can

594
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 3: just be like, I'll probably take one at some point

595
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 3: in the middle round. You're not really giving anything away. Yeah,

596
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 3: with that like declaration.

597
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: Yeah maybe the more the more interesting thing is, you

598
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: know he's still saying talking about possibly taking that a

599
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: player at thirty at pass rusher even after the KBN. Yeah,

600
00:27:58,280 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: that hey, we could take one with our first two pick.

601
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Speaker 3: It goes back to what we were talking about earlier

602
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 3: with a whole receiver corner pass rusher situation. Like I

603
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 3: don't think that you look at that spot and you're

604
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 3: like that spot is that's locked up, that's locked up

605
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Speaker 3: for this year, for the next three years.

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Speaker 1: John Robinson's sitting there at thirty and all the offensive

607
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: tackles are off the board.

608
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 2: He could be the pick. Absolutely.

609
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I don't think pass rushers off the table.

610
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 3: I think that, like I think that the Ravens have

611
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 3: been kind of interested. I mean they clearly have that

612
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 3: they've wanted to address pass rusher and basically find that

613
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 3: guy that's like a dominant pass rusher who's going to

614
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 3: be here for a long time. And like, just for

615
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 3: the record, I still think there's a lot of potential

616
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Speaker 3: for da Faillo Way and he's going into a big season.

617
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 3: I thought he made strides last year. So I'm not

618
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 3: like closing the book there. I still think that, like,

619
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Speaker 3: he's going to be a really important player on this

620
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 3: team this year.

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Speaker 2: He's their lead outside linebackers, one guy.

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Speaker 3: He's going to be a really important player on this team.

623
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Speaker 3: And so I think, But I do like they took away.

624
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 3: They drafted a Jabo in the second round who would

625
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 3: have been a first round pick, and the injuries have

626
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 3: just prevented him from breaking out.

627
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Speaker 1: Well, they basically signed up for a red shirt ear

628
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: because of how talented he is. They use the second

629
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Speaker 1: round pick included a red shirt ear in that.

630
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Speaker 3: Yep.

631
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Speaker 1: It's not like warhe's You've taken the seventh Yeah, You're like,

632
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Speaker 1: I got a red shirt ear. This is the second

633
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: round pick, and you said I'm going to just forgo

634
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: a rookie season because I think he's that good.

635
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Speaker 3: Yep. And basically what I'm the long winded point here

636
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 3: that I'm trying to make is like the Ravens believe

637
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Speaker 3: in investing in the pass rusher position with premium draft capital,

638
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 3: and so if there's a player there who justifies that pick,

639
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 3: I do not think they will have any qualms about making.

640
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: It, absolutely agree.

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Speaker 1: One of the more interesting kind of oh, you know,

642
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Speaker 1: the surprising things, because you don't usually get when you're

643
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: as dialed in and knowledgeable is us, you don't get

644
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: many surprising things. I thought one of the more surprising

645
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,959
Speaker 1: admission was that there's a quote strong chance that they

646
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Speaker 1: will take a running back at some point in this

647
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: year's draft. And okay, it's not crazy, but you know,

648
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: the Ravens already added Derrick Henry and they they do

649
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: have a pretty empty Gus Edwards is now in la

650
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: j Ak Dobbins is a free agent. You have Justice Hill,

651
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Speaker 1: you know you have Keaton Mitchell, he's come back from

652
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Speaker 1: the injury. But really, you feel like the Ravens right

653
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Speaker 1: now have three running backs. They know who they're top

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Speaker 1: three yep, right, Derrick Henry, Justice Hill, and then Keith

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Speaker 1: Mitchell once he gets healthy. But saying we're going to

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Speaker 1: draft a running back at some point makes me think, Okay,

657
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Speaker 1: they're looking, they're planning for the future at that position,

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Speaker 1: So I better make sure my Ravens samrol Mock draft

659
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Speaker 1: that there's a running back on there, yep, where I

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Speaker 1: necessarily wouldn't have said I got a locker running back

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Speaker 1: in at some point before. I mean, Derek Henry is

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Speaker 1: on a two year deal, Justice Hill isn't on a

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Speaker 1: long term contract here, and Keith Mitchell coming off the

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Speaker 1: injury is kind of an unknown. I mean, he's a

665
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Speaker 1: young guy that he'll should make a full recovery and

666
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Speaker 1: be really good. But it certainly makes sense to add

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Speaker 1: more youth.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, honestly, it like sounds very similar to some of

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Speaker 3: the points that we're making with those other positions of need.

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Speaker 3: It's not a need this year. You have Derek Hender,

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Speaker 3: you got your workhorse. You've got a clear number one,

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Speaker 3: number one guy that was your big investment in this offseason. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so you have that, but you do have need there

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Speaker 3: for depth in twenty twenty four, for depth and this

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Speaker 3: year and then potential starter and beyond.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 3: So, But to be honest, like them taking a running back,

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's a if they end up taking

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Speaker 3: a fifth round running back, I.

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Speaker 2: Would be surprised if this day, two, day three, Okay, it's.

681
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Speaker 3: Like, okay, you'll let's see, let's see what you got

682
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Speaker 3: and maybe you end up finding a player who's really good.

683
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Speaker 3: They found Keith Mitchell last year who was electric and

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Speaker 3: he was undrafted, So like, maybe you find somebody late

685
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Speaker 3: who ends up being a really good player. But it's

686
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Speaker 3: it's how high would it's kind of a flyer either way,

687
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Speaker 3: not either way, but if it's in fifth, sixth, seventh round, well.

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Speaker 1: Darrenel Jeremiah has said there's gonna be a run of

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Speaker 1: running on running backs in the third round. There's not

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Speaker 1: any first round running backs. There's really not any second

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Speaker 1: maybe high second, definitely not. Maybe there's end of the second,

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Speaker 1: near the back end second some running backs start coming.

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Speaker 1: But he Daniel Jeremiah predicts that there's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: run on running backs in the third round. Basically, I

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Speaker 1: would be surprised that the Ravens got in on the

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Speaker 1: initial run.

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Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to I think that I

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Speaker 3: think that what we've seen is that they're going to

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Speaker 3: play the late round undrafted game more to try to

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Speaker 3: add these guys. They've had a lot of success doing that.

701
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Speaker 3: Gus Edwards was here and was a highly successful player.

702
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Speaker 3: Keithon Mitchell was again electric before he went down so

703
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Speaker 3: it's like when you find those guys as undrafted players. Now,

704
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Speaker 3: they took JK. Dobbinson the second he's the exception to this,

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Speaker 3: to this argument.

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Speaker 2: Way back in the day they took took Jamal Lewis first.

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Speaker 3: Well, well of course, but you know, yeah, that's one

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Speaker 3: hundred years around down there.

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Speaker 2: You know, Like I'm not that old about forty, I'm

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Speaker 2: not that.

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Speaker 3: Old, but like, yeah, I do if there was I

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Speaker 3: think where that comes into play is like if there

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Speaker 3: was a looking at last year's draft, like a B.

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Speaker 3: Jehn Robinson, who all of a sudden is there in

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Speaker 3: the second round. Yeah, we don't have to have conversations

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Speaker 3: about I just don't think that they're gonna do that.

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Speaker 3: I just don't think that. I think that I would

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Speaker 3: be surprised if they took one on the first two days.

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Speaker 2: I would be too, I would be that would be

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Speaker 2: a minor surprise.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, all right. So another topic that it was

722
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Speaker 3: kind of a good note was linebacker. So Trenton Simpson

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Speaker 3: and Eric talked about basically just how they've got a

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Speaker 3: lot of confidence in Trenton Simpson made some big time

725
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Speaker 3: strides last year and so like they feel really good

726
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Speaker 3: about him. He also did make the point that they

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Speaker 3: like the inside linebacker depth in the middle rounds and

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Speaker 3: so like that could be a spot that they potentially had.

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Speaker 2: That also surprised me a little bit, a little bit

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Speaker 2: in the running back Yeah, like I.

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Speaker 3: Don't look at inside linebacker. They brought that Chris Board.

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Speaker 3: They re signed Malik Harrison. You have Trenton Simpson, obviously

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Speaker 3: have your four. You have Rokwan Smith, So you have

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Speaker 3: your four. Now you could have somebody there for depth

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Speaker 3: and also for special teams.

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Speaker 1: Well, Malik kind of plays a hybrid inside outside linebacker.

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Speaker 1: He's kind of your run stuffing edge setter at outside linebacker. Right,

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Speaker 1: He's just a linebacker, correct, correct, So you could if

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Speaker 1: you were to draft somebody in the middle rounds at

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Speaker 1: inside linebacker. Uh, you know, he could make the team

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Speaker 1: as the fourth guy. There's a road for him to

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Speaker 1: make the team. Let's just say that and so and

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Speaker 1: just provide depth. I mean really, depending on how good

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Speaker 1: that player was, they could be your number three, right

745
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: like they Trenton Simpson was a third round pick last year.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they'd spend that high of a pick,

747
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Speaker 1: but yeah, I agree, you know, you could you could

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Speaker 1: draft another one and say, hey, this guy's gonna compete

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Speaker 1: with Trenton Simpson. Like we're not just handing Trent and

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Speaker 1: Simpson a starting job either for twenty twenty four and beyond,

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Speaker 1: you know, like we we value int onlinebacker and we

752
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Speaker 1: want to add more competition there, not al of the realm.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would again expect that surprised me.

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Speaker 1: I would expect day three And I think a Day

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Speaker 1: two pick would have surprise me more than a Day

756
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Speaker 1: two running back.

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Speaker 2: I think, yes, yes, all right.

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Speaker 3: A couple other quick hitters he was asked about. Eric

759
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 3: was asked about Andrew Vorhees, and you know, just kind

760
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Speaker 3: of circling back to the offensive line and the trade

761
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Speaker 3: that he made there last year. And basically, I mean

762
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Speaker 3: Eric had talked about it at the time last year

763
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Speaker 3: and since, but you know, they thought that Vorhees is

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Speaker 3: somebody that could potentially come in and be a starter

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Speaker 3: for this team, knowing that he was a writ shirt

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Speaker 3: last year.

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Speaker 1: Most interesting thing about this to me was he said

768
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Speaker 1: the strength coaches are raving about him, feel really good

769
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Speaker 1: about where he is. Just everybody from a physical standpoint

770
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Speaker 1: feels really good about where Andrew Vorhees is, Yeah, like

771
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Speaker 1: they're excited about his opportunity that he's going to get.

772
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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you haven't done, so go back and check

773
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Speaker 3: him out on the podcast. Cassie Calvert did an interview

774
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 3: with him on the Lounge and you can watch it,

775
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 3: you can look into it, and just he talks about

776
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 3: his journey getting to this point. So I think that

777
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 3: there's a lot of hope and optimism around him. Now,

778
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Speaker 3: you got to get on the field and got to

779
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Speaker 3: do it. But I think that there's a lot of

780
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Speaker 3: a lot to be excited about with him getting back

781
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Speaker 3: on the field. And then another you know, one of

782
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 3: the last points that I had is just the rule changes,

783
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Speaker 3: you know, kickoff rule, and how that impacts the draft

784
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Speaker 3: in any way. You know, I think it does. It

785
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 3: does make kick returner a more meaningful position than it

786
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Speaker 3: was previously. And so I think where that now the

787
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 3: Ravens have a return man in Tyler Wallace and they

788
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 3: feel good about him. But like I think where that

789
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Speaker 3: could potentially come into play is like do you do

790
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Speaker 3: you boost up a Cooper de Gene who has great

791
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Speaker 3: return abilities?

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Speaker 2: Right now?

793
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Speaker 3: Do you want a first round corner returning kick some punts,

794
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Speaker 3: not long term, not long term.

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Speaker 1: So more it's it's maybe when you're looking at when

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Speaker 1: I'm mocking, uh doing my Raven seven round mock, when

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at third round Rogers, Hey, somebody that has

798
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Speaker 1: some return experience would be in a nice bonus there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally agree.

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Speaker 1: Two other ones for me, Malie Cunningham. They did not

801
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Speaker 1: commit necessarily one hundred percent saying oh, absolutely, he's going

802
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Speaker 1: to be a quarterback for us, a developmental quarterback. John

803
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: Harball kind of hedged that and said, yeah, we're still

804
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Speaker 1: kind of fine now between quarterback and wide receiver.

805
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Speaker 2: I would shade towards quarterback.

806
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Speaker 1: But his answer to that with Malik Cunningham made me

807
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Speaker 1: think that there's a higher chance that a quarterback could

808
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Speaker 1: be one of the Ravens picks on Day three than

809
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Speaker 1: I had thought previously before going into this press conference,

810
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Speaker 1: because they brought back Josh Johnson. He's the number two,

811
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Speaker 1: but it's year to year with Josh. I think he's

812
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Speaker 1: a very solid number two. But if you're looking to

813
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Speaker 1: take if you don't view Malik Cunningham as yep, that's

814
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Speaker 1: we're playing our flag, that's our developmental quarterback. Do you

815
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Speaker 1: draft a developmental quarterback potentially to be your your backup

816
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: to Lamar Jackson and longer term, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Think that that is certainly possible. I think I would

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Speaker 3: not rule that out exactly.

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Speaker 1: And then the last one, just generally speaking, Eric Tacasa

820
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Speaker 1: said there's fewer draftable players on their board this year

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Speaker 1: as compared to other years, because there are fewer underclassmen

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Speaker 1: juniors in this year's class and for different reasons. NIL

823
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Speaker 1: players are getting money down and they say, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I'll just stay in college and get some more money

825
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Speaker 1: and whatever. Just stay in college is more profitable.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to take that pay cut, and.

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Speaker 1: Well, not necessarily more profitable than the NFL, but more

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Speaker 1: profitable than it previously.

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Speaker 2: Definitely when you got nothing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so they're like, yeah, I'll stay here, and then like,

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Speaker 1: I kind of I'm enjoying college and yeah, I'll do it.

832
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: I'll stay and among other reasons COVID related. Still, the

833
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Speaker 1: ripple effect from COVID could be impacting that, but with

834
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Speaker 1: fewer draftable players, that makes you think the Ravens could

835
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Speaker 1: be in the business of trading like the Browns did

836
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Speaker 1: last year with US where the Browns gave us a

837
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Speaker 1: seventh round pick for a sixth round pick in this

838
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Speaker 1: year's draft twenty twenty four, the Ravens sook Andrew warhe's

839
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Speaker 1: the Ravens could look to do a similar move on

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Speaker 1: Day three where they take a sixth round pick and

841
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Speaker 1: trade to somebody for a fifth round pick, something like that.

842
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Speaker 1: And Eric said, that's always a favorite of Si Bashadi's,

843
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Speaker 1: And he has the plan, the master plan of taking

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Speaker 1: a seventh round pick and turning it ultimately into a

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Speaker 1: first round pick by trading up one round in every

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Speaker 1: following year. It's kind of the theory of you start

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Speaker 1: with a paper clip and you end up with the house. Yeah,

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00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 1: you just keep trading, You just keep trading. I kind

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Speaker 1: of like it. I mean, I'm a wheeler and dealer.

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00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: I love trades in fantasy football. The people I play

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Speaker 1: with will tell you that, So I kind of like

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Speaker 1: this idea.

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Speaker 3: Well, he also had the great quote that it's called

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Speaker 3: a Bashaddi reign of terror.

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Speaker 1: That's a great name. It's a great name that can't

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Speaker 1: be topped. Yeah, so maybe the reign of Terror begins

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Speaker 1: this year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see. That'd be great, be exciting. So if

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Speaker 3: you want to go back and check out the full

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Speaker 3: press conference it was. It was really good insight from

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Speaker 3: John Harbor and Eric Tacasta. That's posted for you in

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Speaker 3: We appreciate you guys listening, and we will be back

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Speaker 3: as we continue all this draft talk. There's still a

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Speaker 3: lot to talk about for sure. We're going to be

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Speaker 3: talking through all of this, bringing on some guests between

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Speaker 3: now and draft weekends, so stay tuned. A lot more

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Speaker 3: to come over the course in the next few weeks.