WEBVTT - Episode 69: Thriston Lawrence 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:02.320 The guys from paying They've kind of showed me how 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:05.040 much the equipment matters. I just love that I can 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:06.560 hit any shot I kind of want. 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:08.440 We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:10.600 what goes on here to help golfers play better golf. 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:13.800 Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Pink proven Grounds Podcast. 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:16.520 Shane Bacon, Marty Jerts, and we got Tristan Lawrence with 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:19.200 us for the first time. And before we get into golf, 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:20.680 I think we got to talk about the most important thing. 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:22.520 We were just talking about fishing before we got going. 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:25.320 Would you say fishing's number one passion over golf right 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:26.040 now in your life? 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:30.320 Definitely, you love it. I think golf is all be 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:32.960 at the moment for me, especially when I'm back home. 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:35.160 You know, don't tend to play a lot of golf 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:38.440 back home, so golf is definitely saken when I'm home. 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:42.519 But over obviously golf is golf is pretty ority. But yeah, 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:44.239 fishing is amazing. 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:47.280 Yeah, I mean is like, I mean, golf's the job. 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:48.920 I mean, golf is what you do for a living. 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:50.680 Did you get into fishing as a kid. Was this 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:52.640 something you just recently got into or have you always 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:53.480 kind of been into it. 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:58.400 Yeah, said my father loved golf fishing so always always, 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:00.840 as I can remember as a you know, always went 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:03.880 into lakes and we had cold fishing and always had 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:07.120 a bass road you know involved, so you know, I 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:10.280 would catch myself just standing in the water and just casting, 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:12.920 casting away. So it's always been a thing that I 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:15.959 remember as a kid. And then obviously when you travel, 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:18.840 you need to try and find a hobby out there 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:20.880 when you're traveling, and I just thought, you know, fishing 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:22.080 is the perfect example. 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:23.800 You know, if I play in the morning. 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:27.160 After practice in afternoon, I can go fish for a 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:29.959 couple of hours and it gets my mind away from 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:30.880 from golf, you know. 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:32.880 So it's yeah, I just love it. 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:35.240 I mean, Marty, I think about like yelping a restaurant 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:37.039 when you're on the road and I see Tristan, Like 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:39.560 what lake is near the golf where I go? Is 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:41.360 that something you're doing? Like researchers, you're going to a 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:41.800 new place. 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:42.400 Definitely. 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:45.960 When we arrived here on Monday, check straight away if 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:48.960 there's a bass pro shop. So we went there on 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:52.360 Tuesday morning, got myself to your rods and everywhere with 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:55.280 there's water, there's a there's a chance to maybe catch 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:55.800 my baby. 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:57.400 So yeah, it's amazing. 0:01:57.600 --> 0:01:59.600 What does the travel look like for I mean, I 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:01.480 know you just picked up a ride in the past 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:03.520 pro shops, but what does the travel look like? Do 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:04.800 you get a do you get a ride you can 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:06.880 break down, put in your in your golf bag. 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:07.200 Yeah. 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:10.400 So I actually find myself buying a new one every year. 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:13.120 I've got like two three piece rods back home that 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:15.760 I can travel with, but just thought, you know, it's 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:18.800 admin to travel with it and whatever. And then because 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:21.280 I played in to buy my first tournament, so I'm 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:23.360 not going to fish there, so I just thought, I'll 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:26.359 I'll get myself a new one. Yeah, but then managed 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:31.320 to buy two so but overweight. But yeah, definitely the 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:33.960 ride always needs to be in play wherever I go. 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:37.560 Definitely got to be there. Can you take us back 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:39.480 to the Open last year, because obviously I think that 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:41.960 was when you really burst on the scene for kind 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:45.680 of worldwide golf fans. What was that week like? What 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:48.079 was it like kind of sitting on the lead, obviously 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:49.919 competing against some of the best players in the world 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:52.079 in that level of an environment, and as you look 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:53.880 back on it like would you do great that week? 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:56.040 And what did you? Could you have kind of maybe 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:57.160 buttoned up towards the end. 0:02:58.360 --> 0:02:59.520 Yeah, it was an amazing week. 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:03.120 You know, that final round in the final group of 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:07.320 the Open Championship is just point to dream come true 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:07.600 for me. 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:10.399 But you know, arriving there, it's a normal tournament. 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:13.799 It's a Lynx golf course where I I've won before 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:17.000 on in South Africa, in England. You know, my first 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:20.520 ever amateur event was the Lettam Trophy in England and 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:23.960 I won that, so very you know, familiar with Lyn's 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:26.160 golf and you know, I think. 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:28.919 It's it's a sort of golf I like, you. 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:32.000 Know, there's no perfect picture when it comes to Lynch. 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:34.720 You know, I was probably the only guy that did 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:37.880 drive on almost every hole that week, So I just 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:41.080 feel like there's there's so many ways to play, not 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:43.440 just that golf course, but any Links golf course. So 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:46.280 I just felt comfortable when I arrived there. You know, 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:50.040 the golf was fairly good. You know, mister cut the 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:53.720 Scottish Open the week before, but unfortunate made Boguan the 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:56.920 last smester cut by one. But golf always felt good 0:03:56.960 --> 0:04:01.400 and like I said, I love Lynks Golf and just 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:03.240 just the way I stay patient that week, you know, 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:06.760 not lways to help people. It's still just a normal 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:10.200 golf tournament, you know. Whether it's a major or waste 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:13.560 management or a sunshine to a tournament, it's a tournament. 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:14.240 I want to win. 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:17.560 I want to compete, and yeah, it never got to 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:19.920 my head that it's bigger than what it actually is. 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:22.880 And I think that's why I managed to stay patient 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:24.479 and do well. 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:27.440 It's playing in those elements, you know, or the weather, 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:30.120 wind conditions, something you enjoy. You feel like you have 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:32.400 an advantage in those conditions. 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:37.880 Definitely. You know, I'm not your stock standard stock shape guy. 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:38.120 You know. 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:40.719 I like to work it and I feel like when 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:43.719 there's something in the air, I can make it happen. 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:45.520 I feel like I've got the all round game to 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:49.120 eat a lot of different shots. And I mean, I'm 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:51.680 not too used to rain, so that was it's never 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:54.400 fun when it's raining, But when it comes to win 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:57.760 and stuff, I know how to manage myself. And yeah, 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:01.159 I've played in all types of conditions, so definitely gave me, 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:04.920 especially playing in Europe where you can get if you're 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:08.800 playing Denmark. It could either be twenty degree celsius or 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:10.520 maybe zero the next day. 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:12.080 It can changed so quickly. 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:14.760 So that's where I think it also helped me that week. 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:18.719 You're iron player. You mentioned shot shapping. What about on 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:23.000 a conditions when it's calm, You got left pins right pins? 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:25.919 Are you the type of player that hits your stock 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:28.400 ball flight in there? Are you curving it into left 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:29.279 pins and right pens? 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:32.640 I would say depends on firmness of greens, you know, 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:36.279 slope and stuff. This week it's not firm firm, but 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:38.480 it's not soft, and there is a couple of slopes 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:40.800 you can work it from, So it all depends on 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:41.480 the golf course. 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:44.400 I never tend to do the same thing every week. 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:47.440 Whatever I see in front of me that instance, I 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:49.520 try and figure out what's base for me and what 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:50.520 I feel comfortable with. 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:51.840 I've never been a. 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:55.000 Guy that just say, okay, this is your stock a 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:58.279 tie and you need to stand like this. Nothing is 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:01.520 ever flat out there. It's flat as the driving range 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:04.960 and that sort of confuses me. So I just trying 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:07.479 to get comfortable over it, because that's when I know 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:10.320 I'm going to be at my base committed through a 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:14.000 shot to be comfortable. But I mean, I can, I 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:16.040 can hit it high, I can eat it low, I 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:18.000 can I can feel like I can spin it whenever 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:20.919 I want to. So, I mean, when it's calm and 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:22.919 you feel like you're playing in a dome, I'll be 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:25.360 very aggressive and try not to eat much shape. 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:26.440 Trust. 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:28.039 And one thing at the Open that got a lot 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:31.000 of attention was the length of your driver. And I 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:34.160 always I'm kind of a proponent in general of players 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:36.240 playing a little bit longer drivers. And we've seen a 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:38.120 lot of our tour players go a little longer with 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:42.359 our drivers being more forgiving and and just the premium 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:46.160 on distance over accuracy. Your driver length is forty three 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:49.280 and three quarters, I think somewhere in that neighborhood. How 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:52.039 did that come to be? And what advantage do you 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:54.120 think that that gives you playing a little shorter length 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:54.799 than most. 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:59.080 Yeah, once again, being comfortable over it, like I always 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:02.120 felt like short Like ladies golf clubs, for instance, if 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:05.080 I have to take a lady's driver, it feels unbelievable. 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:09.120 Like the shorter the better it just my body feels 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:11.520 like it's in a good position over the ball and 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:15.000 that's the most important thing for me is being confident 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:18.040 and comfortable over the golf ball. So I mean I 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:20.800 was very short when I was young. I only stretched up, 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:23.240 you know, probably when I went to high school I 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:26.520 got a bit taller, but so always short. I have 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:29.400 a short drive, and then when I got tall, I 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:30.800 just sticked to the short to drive. 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:33.120 It felt like I say, comfortable. 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:36.040 That's my main thing in golf is to be comfortable, 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:38.680 because I mean it's never perfect. 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:40.320 You can't be perfect in this game. 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:42.760 But if you're comfortable and you commit it over it, 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:44.880 it's just going to make it mentally much better. 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:45.800 I think share. 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:48.240 I just think that's a great case for custom fitting Shane, 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:51.400 and why it's so important to bring in the X 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:53.000 factor of your comfort level. 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:55.240 Well, I think about linked like you play longer. 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:56.840 Driver, right, yeah, I mean close to forty six. 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:58.400 Yeah, I mean yours is long, long long. I mean 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:00.720 I'm more in kind of Tristan's world where I, you know, 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:03.679 like you and I kind of dove into this driver world, 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:06.040 you know, the twelve degree driver that's kind of replacing 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:08.320 the three wood YEP. And again, like comfort levels, like 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:10.000 if I got a tight hole and I'm not comfortable 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:12.400 with the big boy using the shorter one, being able 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:13.640 to kind of grip all the way up on it 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:15.960 and it feeling short your hand. Even the nine wood. 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:17.640 I mean, I don't necessarily have the nine one in 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:18.960 the bag right now, but I've been messing around with 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:19.320 the nine one. 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:19.680 By the way. 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:21.800 I really like the shortness of it. It just kind 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:24.080 of feels it almost feels fun to play with. I mean, 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:25.680 I love what you were saying about. Just you know, 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:27.400 as long as you're comfortable with what you're swinging, I mean, 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:28.560 that's obviously the key. 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:29.480 To success exactly. 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:32.480 I mean I went to top Golf Top Golf a 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:35.480 couple of times in Dubai, and they drive a limbs 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:39.240 are like almost like mine, so it just a normal drive. 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:41.640 It just feels awful for me, like I always hit 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:42.320 it out of the yell. 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:44.760 I don't know if it's mental how I swing it, 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:47.640 but it just it doesn't feel comfortable. It feels like 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:50.199 I need to get my elbows really tucked in and 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:53.240 it's just not normal for me. I don't know, it's 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:55.400 my arms are long as I don't know. It's just 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:58.840 always feel comfortable and if I could choose. I would 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:01.640 maybe make it an if you know, like Brice and 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:03.439 it just it just feels. 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:06.840 Unbelievable about that world. But obviously what's working for you exactly? 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:08.880 When you got a top golf what game are you playing? 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:10.160 Are you like competing against your buddies? 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:13.480 Are you going to have more just eating shots? You know, 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:16.640 take family that they haven't haven't been there, so just 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:19.000 see them eat I eait a couple of shots and 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:21.839 mess around and eat shapes and stuff and try and 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:24.360 dunk it, but not really play any games. 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:26.720 Intimidating one of the best players in the world's next 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:28.480 to you in the bay at top Golf. More, this 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:32.760 is probably got a little bit done, Yeah, christer, what 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:34.040 you just got on to do? 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:37.680 G four forty driver and tell us a little bit 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:39.880 about that process. What are you noticing there? 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:43.720 Yeah, So it took me a while to change spens 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:45.720 and the guys fit me with the with the four 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:49.280 thirty in in l A what was it two years ago? 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:53.880 Years open and I've been using that driver since and 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:57.199 I got it. I got the new four forty November 0:09:57.240 --> 0:10:01.280 in November last year at the Bang Golf Challenge, and 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:04.440 you know, it was good but it wasn't it wasn't 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:04.840 the same. 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:07.440 Obviously, they explained to me how they had differs a 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:07.880 little bit. 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:12.160 But yeah, that's some good work at being this week 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:16.560 or last week at HQ, and managed to find a 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:20.199 lower degrade driver. You know, I normally played ten ten 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:23.680 and half, so we tried the ten and half head 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:25.840 and didn't really work, and then managed to get a 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:29.440 nine degree head too and loft it up to ten 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:33.080 and it just worked straight away. It looked more like mine, 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.080 felt like it felt way better off the face, a 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:39.120 lot softer. I could definitely see a bit more like 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:44.480 better spin control where mine was sometimes it just it 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:46.600 lacks spin and it just falls out of the end. 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:50.080 This one just feels like especially the one my bad 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:53.120 shot is out of the hill and sometimes with the 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:55.840 old old driver just falls out of the sky, where 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.760 this one keeps the spin and doesn't want to deviate 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:02.200 as much as the previous one. So dispersion wise, it's 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:05.880 it's way better. It looks amazing, it feels this sound 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:09.480 is great, like I like that softer, softer sound. 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:12.080 And every crow, yeah, every crow just like talks about 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:15.480 the sounds. I remember when we first started talking about 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:17.960 drivers the acoustics being a thing. Obviously you were pushing 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.360 so hard, but it's just so funny. Every tour player 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:22.480 wants to hear good sound with the driver. It's something 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:24.400 that it's like something stands out right away when you 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:25.160 hit something new. 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:27.760 For sure, you know, even even the yells strikes that 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:30.400 with the old driver, it's it's not as nice on 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:32.880 the Yeah you can year, it's not a good drive, 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:36.800 but even the yells strikes now it's it sounds more 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:39.600 like the middle of the of the previous one. So 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:43.920 overall it's unbelievable. The Fairway boots are the best I've 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:44.480 ever played it. 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:45.080 What do you got in? 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:45.480 What do you? 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:46.400 What do you got in the bag? 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:50.000 This week three with five wood and then I've got 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:52.400 a new five ibrids that replaces the. 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:56.839 Four iron hybrid replacing the four irony. What's the reason 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:57.200 for that? 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:01.680 So, like we spoke this week at HQ, like the 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:05.240 Fine is more of a short part four off the 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:08.160 tea where I can run it. There's no I don't 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:10.000 need to laughter it and get it onto the green. 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:12.640 And then when I actually had to use the fine, 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:16.120 like into long part fives or shortish part fives, I 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:18.679 couldn't keep it on the like the ball flights just 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:23.120 to penetrating the spin levels down, so I would always 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:25.440 maybe go to the five with and slice the five 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:28.840 with rather than eat the foine. So it was a 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:31.560 club I sort of didn't want to use when I 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:34.680 actually had to, so it just made sense to spend 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:37.040 such as says straight away, why don't we try ibrid, 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:40.240 And I was like, okay, last time I used the 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:43.600 ibrid was like eight years ago and it was a 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:46.000 two iron hybrid and it went miles. 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:48.679 It was almost like a three wood for me, So. 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.280 I wasn't sure, you know, I felt like I'm still 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:55.640 too young to get into the ibrids and stuff. But i' 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.319 mean straight away, it gave me the exact same distance 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:01.080 I needed. It gave me the ball flight needed. The 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:04.000 spin was great, like it's supposed to be four fine, 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:07.600 and yeah, it's just a no brainer. So now I 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:10.320 actually want to eat a four five ibrids it's fun 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:11.760 and into a far five the. 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:15.840 Then hit it exactly so you can stop it on 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:16.120 the green. 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:19.199 And like spin said, you know, why have a club 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:21.440 in your bag that you don't use, You know, why 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:26.200 deviate away from something that could actually be beneficial for you. 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:28.840 So yeah, no brain and it's in the bag and 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:30.040 ye are very excited. 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:32.599 Can you talk us through your journey into golf, like 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:34.640 who taught you golf? How old were you when you 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:37.160 when you started playing? And when did you start to 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:39.000 realize like I'm actually good at this. 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:42.760 Yeah, so I think age of five I started. 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.480 Well, that's where I can actually remember, you know, getting 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:47.200 a set of clubs from my grandfather. 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:48.920 Your granddad was a golfer. 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:52.040 He was a golf Both my father's father and my 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:56.400 mother's father loved golf. So yeah, I just got into 0:13:56.600 --> 0:14:00.560 it straight away. But being in South African, you play sports, 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:04.040 that's that's a common thing. You go to to primary 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:06.520 school and you play everything, and I did. My my 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:12.000 father was a very good tennis player, so I played tennis, cricket, rugby, golf. 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:18.480 But just yeah, and then I just felt like individual sports. 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:19.400 Is what I wanted to do. 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:24.320 I knew it's probably just my personality, but I'm very competitive, 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:28.360 and it felt like team sports. It's you're never going 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:30.200 to be the best in your team because it's a 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:31.120 team sport. 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:32.800 Right, and you've got to trust everybody else. 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:36.480 Felt like, you know, trust your teammates and sometimes like 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:39.080 I was, I was scrum off in rugby and I 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:42.800 would pass a great pass and then the fly with 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:45.440 knock the ball or whatever, and then it feels like 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:49.040 somebody is holding you back. And when in individual sports 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:52.920 it's it's up to you. There's no blaming anybody. It's 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:55.800 up to you to put in the work and and succeed. 0:14:55.960 --> 0:15:00.000 So that definitely gave me the mindset that individual sports 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.880 the one is my my direction. 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:04.840 And then golf is what I loved. 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:09.360 My father ended up doing his PGA professional degree and 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:11.960 he started coaching me, and yeah, he's been my coach 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:12.840 ever since. 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:14.560 It still your coach, now, still my coach. 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:16.760 There was like a two year period where I saw 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:20.000 someone else just to get like a different perspective. You know, 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:24.160 when it's a father son relationship, especially me going into 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:28.440 my teens, you know, there's fights and yep, because he's 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:31.880 my dad, he's right, I'm the player, I'm right, So you. 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:36.400 Get your differences. But it was good for me as well. 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:39.920 You know, I got taught, you know, learned a lot 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:43.680 of new things from someone else. And but yeah, I 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:47.040 mean my father is the one that that gave me 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:49.480 what I have today and taught me what I what 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:52.680 I know today, and it's just the relationship is good 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:54.440 and it's it's worked ever since. 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:57.280 So when there's a there's a college basketball coach that 0:15:57.320 --> 0:15:59.040 had his son on the team, and I remember reading 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:01.880 a story and he said, like when they went to practice, 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:04.640 I'm not dad, like I'm coach. Like, how did you 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:07.760 guys handle that? As you started to progress and get better? 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:10.880 Was it could you talk to each other as coach, 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:13.840 you know, player and not kind of do the dad 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.600 something like did you guys have a way of discussing 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:19.720 things where it wasn't like you said Dad's wrong, Son's wrong, 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:20.680 whatever the case may be. 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:23.960 Definitely, I think when I got older, like to fifteen sixteen, 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:26.840 he was also Mike Caddy in my first like amateur 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:32.520 you know, stent over in Europe, and as as professional, 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:35.040 I think the first six seven months he was my caddy. 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:38.080 Caddy as well, so he was dad caddy coach. And 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:40.800 I think when I was like fourteen fifteen, I just 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:43.400 we had a fight on a driving range or something 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:45.880 and I just told him, listen, I respect to you 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:48.440 as my father, but when were on the drive range, 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:49.400 you might coach. 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:52.320 And I'm you said that to him. Yeah, it's interesting. 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:56.040 I'm technically the boss because i'm the player, and then 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:58.160 when we're on the golf course and you might gaddy, 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:01.080 you might caddy, and then I'm still the boss. But 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:01.640 I wouldn't. 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:05.440 I wouldn't be unreasonable or anything. You still respect whether 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:07.680 it's your father or not. You respect your caddy, you 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:10.280 respect your coach. That's a big more I have. But 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:13.840 we just set that bar clear, you know, early on, 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:16.960 because if I want to excuse me, if I want 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:19.760 to swear on the golf course, I don't know, my father, 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:23.000 tell me listen, you're being disrespectful because I'm your father, 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:26.200 and I'm like, I understand it. But today you might 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:28.679 caddy on the golf course. I need to get my 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:31.680 emotions out in a way like I feel I haved. 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:36.280 So it was important to get that, you know, levels 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:40.399 of what relationship it is at that moment. And I 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:42.560 mean that's why we have a good relationship today and 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:45.680 had great relationships on the golf course on the driving rage. 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:47.800 What type of things do you guys work on. Are 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:51.120